1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: So the Vice President came on Friday. Didn't make any difference. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: It's Killing Casey Show and Rob Casey's out today. Joined 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: by Ethan Hatcher, host of Saturday Night on the Circle 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: heard Saturday Night seven to nine here in WIBC. Ethan Hatcher, Hello, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: good morning, Rob. Happy to be here all right. So Friday, 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: the Vice President JD. Vance came to Indiana. This is 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: his second visit here to the state, third meeting overall 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: with Indiana legislators. Now, he was not here to fight 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: for them to help you with property taxes, or get 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: your skyrocketing utility bills under control, or deal with one 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: of the nation's largest gas taxes or anything of that nature. No, 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: he was here to a strong arm is such a 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: such a tough word. But heavily influenced the Republican General 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: as simple Republican led General Assembly to redraw their congressional 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: maps to add two more Republican seats. And I got 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: to tell you at this point, I'm just over all 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: of it, because we've reached a point of ridiculous. If 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: you're so unsure of whether your constituents wanted or not, 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: they clearly don't and we're just trying to find a 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: way to Jama Square Pagan to a round hole. Well, 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head there, Rob. 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: Did he really have to strong arm the. 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: Republicans from because from all the signals that I've seen, 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: the Republican legislators themselves would love to be all in 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,639 Speaker 2: on redistrict thing. It's they have to make this case 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: to their constituency, who would be very upset if they did, 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: and they haven't found the magic combination of words to 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: sell that idea. 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So he met with them and then what this 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: was outside the State Library I think was where they 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: met or inside the State Library there were protests and 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: then you see the leadership, and that's Rod Bray, the 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: pro tim of the Senate, Todd Houston, the Speaker of 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. And this happened last time Vance 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: was here. Where these guys come out of this meeting 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: and they get stopped by the media and they'll say 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot, but they don't look excited at all 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: about this. They don't look passionate at all about this. 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, they look like they don't want anything to 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: do with this. And I think that is part of 41 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: the broader concern is you have your local lawmakers who, 42 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: let's face it, they're not exactly based on the way 43 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: they've governed the creators of good choice quite often, but 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: they're clearly there's no overwhelming drive from the people they 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: represent to do this. They've many of them admitted very 46 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: publicly how great the maps are that they already have. 47 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: And yet because you're so afraid of Donald Trump, you 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: got to twist yourself into this mental pretzel to somehow 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: come to this conclusion. Look, if it takes some guy 50 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: five or six months to convince you to do something, 51 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: I think we're all losing. If you do that thing. 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: It's it's seven to two. The maps already heavily favor Republicans, 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: and I find it hard to take their argument on 54 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: redistricting seriously when they refuse to address the root of 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: the problem. And yes, Democrats absolutely have rig their maps 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: to favor Democrats, as Republicans have done within their representational 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: districts as well. But the problem is the apportionment that 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: is assigned through the census, which counts illegal immigrants, and 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: the way to challenge that is through the legal system, 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: primarily the Supreme Court. But we've heard nothing out of 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: Attorney General Todd Rakeda to try and start getting the 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: ball rolling to that effect, and you have a Supreme 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: Court that, by all reason would be favorable to that idea. 64 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the question. David Shelton is going 65 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: to join us today at ten. He's the Knox County 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: Clerk running for Secretary of State, and he's given some 67 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: contradicting statements on whether he supports redistricting or not, so 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: we will ask him about that. But I really have 69 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: two to the two questions that remain unanswered for me. 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: Number one, what does adding two more Jefferson Shreeves right, 71 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: Because you're not going to get to Thomas Massey's You're 72 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: not going to get some Republican or liberty minded individuals 73 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: in those seats. The Republican establishment will hand choose who 74 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: they want for those positions, and it will be a 75 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: Jennifer Ruth Green or Jefferson Shreve type of person. And 76 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: so for the people who are so passionate about this, 77 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: how does getting two more of those types of Republicans? 78 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: Is that really worth all this effort and energy for 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: two more Jefferson Shrieves, Well, I think you know the 80 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: answer for me, which is no, but counter argument. Let 81 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: me play devil's advocate here because our friend, your friend 82 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: of mine, Andrew Ireland, of course supports redistricting, which we 83 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: are opposed to. 84 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: But he also says that this would create an environment 85 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: with more competitive elections, at least in the area immediate 86 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: at least surrounding Marion County. Because if you're going to 87 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: be breaking up the Andre Carson district, then by necessity, 88 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: many of those districts where those voters are shifted to 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: will shift purple because the voting habits of Indianapolis residents 90 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: are not going to change. So would this inadvertently perhaps 91 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 2: make elections more competitive at least in the immediate region 92 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: surrounding Marion County by trying to slice that up in 93 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: a million different pies. Okay, but this is where we 94 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: come to the point of all this, which is, and 95 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: this is true with almost everything these people do, the hypocrisy, 96 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: and it allows us to put the hippocrisy these people 97 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: on full display, because Marion County once upon a time 98 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: was somewhat competitive. Now look the Carsons, whether it was 99 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: Julio or Andre Carson, they were winning those districts. But 100 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: there were numerous times I remember, especially in my twenties, 101 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: where they say, okay, maybe this is the year they 102 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: were still winning. It was relatively comfortable, but it wasn't 103 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: what we're seeing today oftentimes. And the Republicans just in 104 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: the most recent set of map that they drew, deliberately 105 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: made Marion County less competitive to help their friend victorious 106 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: Sparks in the fifth congressional district. So you don't get 107 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: to come out now and go, well, these maps are 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: totally uncompetitive. 109 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: We've got to make them more competitive. Wouldn't it make 110 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: elections better when you just had an opportunity to do 111 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: that or draw quote unquote fair maps, which you said 112 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: you did, and you deliberately made Marion County less competitive 113 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: in the maps that you just drew. 114 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: Well, I think obviously the answer here is these people 115 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: are full of crap. Rob They are self serving creatures, 116 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: and that is the ultimate aim of redistricting. They are 117 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: trying to get another couple of Jefferson Shreeves in there, 118 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: and I agree that would not serve the interests of Hoosiers. Well, 119 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: and the. 120 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: And then the other the other thing is if we're 121 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: just gonna say, well, any unavoted for Trump, so we 122 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: should get all nine seats then every state in the Union. 123 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Then just whoever wins your presidential election, just give them 124 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: all the seats. Well, look they keep using ILLINOI as 125 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: the Oh look at the Jerry mannering. So Illinois is 126 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: seventeen congressional reps. Three of those are Republican, fourteen or Democrat. 127 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: I'd pulled out my calculator over the weekend. That comes 128 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: out to eighty two percent of their seats or Democrat. 129 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: In Indiana, seventy eight percent of our seats are Republican. 130 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: We can't get to eighty two percent because of different numbers. 131 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: So when they keep talking about well, Illinoy this, well 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: but Indiana that we've done the same thing, I mean 133 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: comparatively percentage wise, Illinois and Indiana basically have the same number. 134 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: The maps are rigged in there in their favor. And 135 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: this all comes back to the reason I don't want 136 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: these maps altered is it allows Republicans to be lazy 137 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: and unaccountable. If we just say that anytime we can't 138 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: win an election by governing in a way that people 139 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: want to vote for us, then we'll just change the map. 140 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: Then we'll just keep governing in a way that keeps 141 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: adding trillions of dollars to the debt, keeps the crony capitalism, 142 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, keeps the legalized vote buying, the growth of government, 143 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: all of these things. Republicans are looking for a bailout 144 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: from their bad governance rather than governing better and earning 145 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: the vote. 146 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: The bad, the bad argument they are attempting to move 147 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: forward is that they are counterbalancing not just states like Illinois, 148 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: but more importantly states like New York or California that 149 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: have dozens of congressional representatives, to which I say, again, 150 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: the way to address that is by solving the root 151 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: of the problem, which is counting illegal immigrants in the 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: apportionment for congressional representation. That's a glitch in the system 153 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: that needs to be addressed. But the Republicans, the Republicans 154 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: are sitting on their hands when it comes to that. 155 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so there's another poll that's come out. By the way, 156 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: there's not been one public poll release that shows There 157 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: have been numerous polls on this, but there's not been 158 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: one public poll release that shows that people in this 159 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: state are in favor of redistricting or anything close. There 160 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: is a new poll that came out on behalf of 161 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: independent Indiana. We've had them on our show before. They're 162 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: a group that exists to try to get more independent 163 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: candidates elected or competitive, to try to break these Republican 164 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: and Democrat you know, strongholds scolds right now. The group 165 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: that they used is north Star Opinion Research, which I 166 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: believe has a history of polling for Republicans and Republican 167 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: based groups and national Republican committees, et cetera. Capital Chronicles 168 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: as an article on this, if you'd like to read 169 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: the you know, sort of the details on this. So 170 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: this is not some uber left firm that they used. 171 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: But according to this north Star Opinion Research poll, fifty 172 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: three percent of Indiana registered voters don't support redistricting compared 173 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: to thirty four percent who do. Here in Central Indiana. 174 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: It's fifty five percent of post compared to fifty one 175 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: percent outside of Central Indiana. So again there's another poll 176 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: showing not just that people aren't in favor of it, 177 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: but by already overwhelming margin, that people don't favor what 178 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: the Republicans are proposing to do. 179 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a thin majority. I would say that's more 180 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: of a plurality, and it also is dependent on where 181 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: those undecideds ultimately sit.