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Speaker 1: Okay, so Braun is threatening to pull the license of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he emphasized that educators are held to a higher

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Braun obviously is the governor of the state

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Speaker 1: of Indiana. I should clarify that. I assume most people

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Speaker 1: the governor of the state of Indiana, and Indiana Capitol Chronicle,

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Speaker 1: amongst others, have this big article about how there are

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Speaker 1: teachers who have allegedly, you know, put things up that

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Speaker 1: are just you know, celebrating in line with other people

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Speaker 1: who have made horrendous statements online. But the death of

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, many of those people have been their employers

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Speaker 1: have been contacted, they've been fired from their jobs, and

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Speaker 1: now the governor is coming out and threatening to do

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Speaker 1: the same aim to these people through revoking their teaching license. Now,

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Speaker 1: traditionally license revocation from a teacher, not firing you from

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Speaker 1: a position at the school. We're not talking about this.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about like pulling your license, which would greatly

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Speaker 1: limit your ability to or not just out and out

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Speaker 1: stop your ability in most cases to get a teaching

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Speaker 1: job right anywhere. This is Previously, license revocation has related

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Speaker 1: to criminal behavior, like you know, you're convicted of a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, criminal acts or serious miscontact.

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Speaker 1: Right, So the question is what is the line to

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Speaker 1: get for online commentary on the death of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: the assassination of Charlie Kirk? And why does braun arbitrarily

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Speaker 1: get to decide that? Like what like, so, what statement

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Like what you know? Supreme Court Justice once said, I

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Speaker 1: can't define pornography, but I know it when.

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Speaker 3: I see it.

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Speaker 1: Like, where are we at with this? And is this

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Speaker 2: So Indiana law allows license revocation for immorality, misconduct, and

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Speaker 2: you're saying, if you are celebrating violence, is that immoral?

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Speaker 1: Well, and I would tend to say.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: However, this is where I get very hesitant on this,

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Speaker 1: especially when you have people like Pambondi, the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: I said very clearly, very specifically that these people who

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Speaker 1: we must now redistrict it's also gross, right, So am

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem. The target is moving, isn't it

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Speaker 1: And look, these are state employees. I mean they're government employees.

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Speaker 1: So you see what I'm struggling with, Like I don't,

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Speaker 3: I think that's that is the risk. You're going to

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Speaker 2: So you have to determine, as you put something out

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Speaker 3: Am I standing behind this statement enough to lose my job?

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Speaker 1: Like you and I joke about this all the time.

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Speaker 1: There's a million things I'd love to say on this

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Speaker 3: You walk right up to it.

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Speaker 1: But I know that's part of being a highly trained professional,

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Speaker 1: we're getting once we have the government involved, we get

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Speaker 1: very close to thought police stuff. See you see where

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Speaker 1: it's like this whole it's the Dave Mason song right

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Speaker 1: like it's like it's it's the land of confusion here.

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Speaker 3: That's genesis.

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Speaker 1: That's genesis, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It is it's an intersection of free speech, free speech

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Speaker 1: We done with when it's the death of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Are we over and done with it? Or what is

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Speaker 1: the next thing that then we will say you can't

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Speaker 1: the head casey. The problem is it's moving in real time,

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Speaker 1: But somebody also made a good point, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is fair. Cancel culture is digging up a tweet

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Speaker 3: This is consequence.

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Speaker 1: This is this is yes, yes, that's right. This is

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Speaker 1: different because it is statements people as adults are making

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Speaker 1: in real time. So just don't give people a reason

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Speaker 1: right now until we figure out where it's at, where.

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Speaker 3: The line is.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's also scary as well, because now what

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Speaker 2: you're you're silencing yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, but if you really want your job, I silence

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Speaker 1: myself every day, Casey, every day. You know who should

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Speaker 1: never be silenced is the great Jarrett Lewis news man extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: He's up next on ninety three WIBC