WEBVTT - Spider-Noir 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:03.240 The Frames per Second Podcast. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.960 All right, welcome to another episode of the Frames per 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.400 Second Podcast. I'm here for the evening. My name is Mike. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.080 Next to me, I have Spike crushing Spike. I have Ken, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:24.279 and we are reviewing Spider Noir. This is based on 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:30.960 the two thousand and eight Marvel Okay, hold on, so 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:37.280 these are Jalen's notes. Jalen types like a young person. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.919 I read like an old person. So first of all, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.040 y'all thank Jalen for actually giving us notes. He wasn't 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:45.559 able to make it today, but he still sent us 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.360 notes because we would have been fucked as far as hugoes. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.519 So shout out to Jalen. But yeah, so here we go. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:53.720 Spider Noir is based on a two thousand and eight 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.280 Marvel comic. I assume the series was greenlit based on 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.760 the performance and the popularity of Nicholas Cage as the 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.880 character in Spider Man into the Spider Verse. I don't 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.840 know if y'all remember that, but Spider Noir was in 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.760 the in uh Spider Verse. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:11.520 It was it was supposed to include. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.800 It was supposed to be included in many Spider Man 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.440 character centered shows that have since been canceled. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.320 I didn't know about that either. But in the comics, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:21.440 Spider Noir is still. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.959 Peter Parker, but his story is far darker than the 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.680 traditional version. So first question he asked here, did y'all 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.479 watch it in black and white or color? 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:30.279 Color? 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:32.000 Black and white? 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.720 I watched it in color too. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.880 I had no desire to watch something in black and white. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.080 I don't think it hurt or helped my viewing experience. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:42.440 I don't know if y'all agree with that or not. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.000 What did you do? Put the cup on the power 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.520 on the thout you getting the facts? 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:56.480 All right? 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.440 So we start the season with Ben Riley nary about 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.440 his past life as the Spider and how he lost 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:06.000 the love of his life her name was Ruby during 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.440 that time because of his failures. So did this backstory 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.919 set up the kind of common theme of Spider Man, Well, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.239 the you know, the whole burden of a hero type 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:15.680 of thing. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.640 Because he never let that shit go. It was like 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:26.919 episode one through eight. Yeah, you know, so I think 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.240 it did a good job of kind of letting us 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:36.040 know where this this older hero is ad and and 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.160 why he feels the way he does, and the absence 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.440 of him in the city. You know, so Ruby died, 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.960 which parallels with a failure that Spider Man had in 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:53.400 the comics with somebody. But I was thinking it was 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.200 also in part because he just got old and he 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.919 couldn't do it anymore. So I was also thinking about 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.000 like getting old, you know, and does he still have 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.880 it and those sort of moments as well. But apparently 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.560 he just wasn't a good Spider damn. It sounded like, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.720 but we never got a chance to see though. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.320 I guess I also forgot to ask, did you actually 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:13.160 like this? 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.040 This this whole series as a whole. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:20.000 It started slow, you know, for the story to kind 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.640 of really build, but I think the second part I 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:23.320 liked more. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.760 I wasn't, you know, I didn't mind what I was watching, you. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.480 Know, because I I started and I watched two or 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.000 three episodes back to back, and I liked the different 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.880 like sort of superheroes that they were showing, you know. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.560 So when when the first one like it was the 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.480 same man, I was like, oh shit, it's the same man. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.120 And then the other ones they add it, so I 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.880 was like, Okay, this is a cool switch twist. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:43.800 And I don't know much. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.800 About spidering the war because I didn't read any of 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.880 that shit, so I was really more interested in the 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.000 story and seeing how this character is. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.200 So yeah, I enjoyed it, though. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:57.560 No, I didn't. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.200 I was I was too up on what this was, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.200 and then Nicholas Cage took you all the way out 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.960 of it, Like Nicholas Cage is just god awful in 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.160 my opinion. But I didn't have the context. And I 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.200 always feel like it's with comic book movies that I 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.360 did they like the mainstreams, that I didn't read it, 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.160 So I just feel like I'm watching it, I'm just 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.640 lacking a whole lot of context. And it's just I 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.680 never was able to just get fully locked in on 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.640 it because I'm I'm like, who the fuck is Ben Riley? 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.520 Like why where's Peter Parking? 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.000 It just never made sense to me, and I don't 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.400 understand the backstory of it, so, like all of it, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:37.320 there was no real consequence involved with it for me 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.440 because my thought process is the MCU is the main 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.919 Spider Man, so I know nothing nick can happening this 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:44.840 is going to affect it. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.640 Yeah, there's no sake in it. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.720 It was just like, and then if that's gonna be 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.080 the case, I need somebody other than Nicholas Cage to 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.800 carry to show the mah. I thought he was real bad. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:56.240 I thought he was a god awful action. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:01.960 You thought, I don't like Nicholas ca But I think 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:06.640 he was just fine for this role because it's Nicholas case. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.960 I think he was trying to talk, not like Nicholas 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:11.000 Cage issue. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:15.120 I thought they were going for a fifties detective Noir 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.560 or forties I don't know what fucking year this is. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.000 But I thought he was fine. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.400 I don't I don't. I didn't. 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.560 I won't walk away being like, oh my god, Nicholas 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.599 Cage killed this. No, he never kills anything. But I 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.240 thought they picked a fine person to do this. To 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.799 be campy. I mean either him or or or Keanu 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.479 reeves to be campy and just to be like so deadpan. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.400 I think they I think he was fine. But overall, 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.360 I thought this was the most eye. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.000 Show I've seen in a long time. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.640 It was I I at no point was I excited, 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:49.960 at no point was like like damn, I need to 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.160 get home to finish this. It was just like, all right, man, 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.360 I'll just power through. I'll just power through it. Because 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.080 I didn't remember we had to cover it until I 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.760 texted y'all it was the end of the day Friday, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.960 before I could even start the shit. I almost told 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.359 you all I couldn't do it, but you know, I 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.359 didn't want to be like a certain other person. But 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.919 in the present day, back to the show, he is 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.600 a private investigator and he's hired to investigate a man 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.400 named Addison who has superpowers. Addison is also being trailed 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.240 by another PI who catches up to him before he's 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.560 killed in an explosion. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:22.919 Was any of this interesting? 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.920 Not really, because I felt like there was still setting 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:30.240 things up outside of Addison having powers, This still pretty 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.880 much felt like a setup for me because Adamson pretty 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.320 much died right away and so nah nah. Even with 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.039 the other PI, it didn't really do much in terms 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.120 of I think it was good to kind of establish 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.120 where we're going, but that was about it. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.159 What about you, Spike was interesting at all? 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.000 No, it wasn't interested in Again, I'm trying to figure 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.120 out who the players is in this and who's important, 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.560 and it's just it was just okay. 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.719 Yeah, I wasn't really that interested either. I thought him 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.520 someone that had powers like that. I thought that was 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.200 kind of interesting, but at this point in the story, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.520 I didn't really care about any of these people. When 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.360 Ben returns to this office, he's approached to investigate Kat 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.080 Hardy as her husband suspects that she's cheating. So his 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:22.640 investigation finds out that she is seeing the mayor of 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.960 the city, which immediately causes him to give up on 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.400 the case and lie to the husband. What did this 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.000 reaction say about Ben's character? 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:41.200 Well, I think it let us know that he's I 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:46.280 think he's dishonest, you know, And I think they let 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.680 us know off rip and we see that play out 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:50.840 throughout the rest. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:51.200 Of the season. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.240 Dishonest I didn't get until later, but I do definitely 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.320 agree with you. He gave to me that he just 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.560 wanted it easy, anything with too much stakes to it, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.360 or got got too much involved. Yeah, I'm hands off, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.800 which is why he was struggling. Was in a position 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.560 that he was in as a PI like, yeah, he 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.520 ain't trying to get to no real business. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.040 I thought that was tied to more of him being 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:16.560 an alcoholic n failure. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.800 Then then other stuff. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.120 Yeah, I don't know, I got I got kind of 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.440 all of that, but I already wasn't a fan of 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.120 his character anyway, because it's Nicolas Cage. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.080 I was like, it's whatever. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.720 Before Ben can approach Kat with the information, at a club, 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.319 he's visited by one of silver Main's men, whose name 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.120 is Winston, who threatens to kill him. But we get 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.240 background that silver Main is the crime boss of the 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.040 city and has taken control of the city since the 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:46.960 Spider was gone. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:48.680 And uh. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:55.000 See, we see that he kills the other PI because 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.200 he knows too much, the other PI being what was 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:58.880 the dude's name? 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.480 Fuck? The other PI is fine. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.280 But did this approach to a mobster as an antagonist 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:06.760 contribute to the appeal of the show? Like? 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.600 Did you care about this mobster guy? 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:14.360 Fifties, forties whatever, thirties genre? A spider in the war? 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.320 He's basically this vert Kingpin. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.680 I literally thought it was Kingpin when they were showing 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.560 him from the ground up. I was like, oh, Kingpin's 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.400 in this, Yeah, did you get anything from him? 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.520 Just like whatever? Just like whatever? All right, but the 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:31.480 bills piling up. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:36.160 Ben decides to confront Kat with information to blackmail, which 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.640 leads her bodyguard Flint Marco to follow him. This leads 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.880 to a fight where it's revealed that Flint has superpower 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:48.160 superpowers before he this is a god damn. This leads 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.480 to a fight where it's revealed that Flint had superpowers 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.400 before he disappears. Was the show balancing the tone anasthetic 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.640 well with the comic book background, because anyone that's read 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.000 the comic we immediately know this is this is Sandman. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.079 So did that whole thing work well in this show? 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.280 I think so, because I don't. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.240 It felt like until we got towards the end that 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.760 they didn't really want to lean on powers a lot. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:19.600 And you know, so they were used sparingly, and every 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.840 once in a while they introduced another villain, another villain. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.320 Then you got to where we ended up. But I 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.880 liked that they didn't really lean too heavy on it, Like, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.680 but you got to give comic book fans and gotta 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.200 give them something, and these are the recurrent villains. So 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.080 when it was sam Man, I was like, oh shit. 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.320 I did like the fact that it was Samon. I said, Okay, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.120 so now we're not gonna just have him walking around 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.360 trying to beat a mob boss. It's like, okay, now 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:43.959 we got sam Man. Because I didn't know Sam Man 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.040 was going to be in it, So I did like that. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.640 I was on the other end of you in the 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.960 sense of I didn't know if I don't know SAMN, 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.920 I haven't read the comics, so them using their powers 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.720 earlier it would have been better for me for this. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.720 They leaned too much into the New York Said Noor 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.040 side of it and expected that storytelling to keep people 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.840 engaged to where I feel like like it was kind 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.720 of cool once he started doing the Spider Man stuff, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.200 like you've seen him on the buildings. And I know 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.079 they may not have had the budget of a movie 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.680 to do that, it just that stuff was way more cool. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.560 Than just the regular storytelling of this show. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:26.679 Okay, I actually liked that they threw Flint Marco in this, 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.760 and I thought that the even though you said it 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.840 didn't have the budget of a movie, I thought the 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.600 effects looked great. I thought the way that they did 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.319 Flint Marco was super dope. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.280 But the episode closes. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.600 With Ben abandoning the blackmail and decided I'm not going 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.880 to do it, and the next day Kat hires him 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:47.840 to investigate Marco's disappearance. So the next episode opens with 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:52.439 Ben searching Marco's apartment, where he realized that Addison and 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.640 Flint knew each other from the war. This is before 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.760 working for silvermin Ben confronts her with information as he 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.800 believes that she may be hiding pieces from him, and 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.040 she admits that she purposely hid it for her protection 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.920 from silvermin So it's been justified in feeling some contempt 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.480 for Kat when learning about Flint ties to silvermin Or 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.640 was Kat justified in hiding. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.640 It all of the above? 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:20.600 Okay? 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:27.600 He hid information from her and she wanted. She is 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.920 fully aware of what kind of character Silvermain is, so 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.840 she knew she had to give him only enough that 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.200 would help him solve the case to protect herself. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:41.520 Did you get the same things, Bike? 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.760 Yeah, pretty much like Kat always seemed like she had 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:45.839 some schemes going on. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.880 So yeah, I agree, we can Okay. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.360 So the next scene is when we finally get a 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:57.960 full action scene with the Spider He's fighting a bunch 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.160 of Silvermain's henchmen and he's trying to intimidate them into 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.280 leaving Ben alone. Uh and as well as Janet. Janet 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.600 is the secretary. So did y'all like seeing this fight? 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:16.040 Can they not call him Spider Man? Well, no, because 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:16.480 they own it. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.679 Because this is this is this is done by Sony, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.040 So Sony owns the Spider Man. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.160 The Spider Yeah, yeah. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:24.840 Yeah, that's all. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.960 It's in this particular alternate universe or whatever they had. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.560 But now I think they needed to give us some action, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.720 and we need to see Spider Man's uh you know 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.000 what he can and cannot do, you know. So I 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.440 liked that they had to do something because him just 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.360 walking around detective detective diving isn't enough. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.040 You'll finally giving us some action. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.960 It was like, Okay, finally we get into the ships, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.960 so let's see where it goes from here. But it's 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.360 kind of stayed in his bed. 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:55.920 Damn all right. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:58.120 Uh. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:03.040 Ben's friend and journalist Robbie Robertson which he's also in 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:07.320 the comics, but he's the black Man. He's investigating Allison's 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.400 death as he's looking to get back. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:10.880 Into the Bugle, the Daily Bugle. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:16.080 This led him to Addison's wife and the guy Lonnie 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.080 to receive some information there that there are multiple men 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.400 with superpowers. He also learns that the Spider unintentionally saved 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.920 silver Main from the police by intervening in his meeting. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.800 So at this point we've received multiple scenes with Robbie. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.360 What are y'all's thoughts on Robbie. That's the reporter, Yeah, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:36.120 that's the black dude. 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.560 I liked him probably it was my favorite character in 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.400 the sense of like keeping things going and him trying 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.800 to get it back to report and eating to ketch 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.240 up sandwich suckling man. I missed that he was eating 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.360 a ketchup broke but none of the free. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.800 But yeah, he brought life to it. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:15:00.000 I feel like I hated Nicholas Cage is like mundane 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.840 ass tone, and I feel like his tone. And the 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.760 secretary too, she did a good job as well, but 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.960 they brought some life to it. Everything else was just 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.080 like blah. So I did like him. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.640 Yeah, they were the persons of color in this show. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.800 But I like Robbie. I'm with you. I think I 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.480 liked him the most out of everybody on here, you know, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.520 And and I liked how they and I don't know 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.400 if you have anything about his race and how they 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.040 use racism in here, but but I did. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:31.280 Uh. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.040 I did like that part of it as well. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:38.840 But yeah, because I think when he went to her, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:43.480 she was like, yeah, you don't want me to yell 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.800 out that a black man is trying to Yeah, that 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.720 was dirty, but that's how white women back in made 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:51.600 total sense. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:56.960 Now you said back in the day, Yeah, well shit. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.600 If Tarantino wrote it, he was kind of damn niggas and. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:06.600 That Robertson would have been dead the third episode. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.680 Okay, see Robe was cool. All right. 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.520 Now we're jumping into the next episode, Double Cross, and 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:18.120 this is where Silvermin hires Ben to find a rat 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.280 in his organization that they believe is trying to kill him, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.280 and he learns that silver Main has a tracking system 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.160 in his bills, and Kat warns him that he is 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.000 becoming unhinged. So at this point, who did you think 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.400 the rat was? And were you bothered by the fact 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.640 that we had someone named silver Main and it wasn't 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:37.640 played by Terrence Howard. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.200 I had no idea who the rat was. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.720 I didn't honestly care who the rat was because I 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.880 felt like this was just a side story and it's 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.840 part of to connect to this whole bigger story. You know, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.480 these old mob gangsters or the detective stories would take 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:57.360 you all over the. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:02.880 Place, so it didn't matter, and it mattered, but not 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:03.400 for me. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.560 Early on, it was just like all right, man, it's 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.280 just another episode. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.720 Right, Like all of this gave that what Kid just said, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.600 it's just another episode, Like I didn't even see it, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.360 you said, building up to a big old thing. At 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:19.879 this point when I'm watching them, like this is just 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.480 gonna be like this the whole fucking series. Bro, They 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.600 gonna try to get us invested into this investigation and 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:27.280 who's the rat? 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.160 And like when I don't care, I don't know. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.760 What it made. It gave. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:38.119 Cat like, uh, skin in the game, you know, because 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.639 with her being the rat, that made her vulnerable, so 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.800 you know, so now you know she had something on 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.120 the hook. And it also led to another moment we're 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.359 gonna get to later on down the line. So it 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.840 served a functional purpose in terms of the story. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.400 Because they used it all the way to the episode eight. 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.680 But in terms of like at this point, nah, because 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.240 I didn't think, you know, I didn't, I didn't think. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.240 I think that was just to kind of show Ben 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.680 playing both sides and he'll do anything for money, which 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.360 he needed to because he wasn't paying. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.560 Anybody thinks we're getting paid. 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.359 He had money from somewhere. I don't know where he 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:20.240 was getting money from. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:24.560 Kiddy I noticed he seemed like he didn't have money, 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:25.879 but he was surviving somehow, so. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:26.359 I don't know. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.240 Yeah, and he was drinking quite a bit, so he 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:30.720 had a little something. Oh. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.919 They did say it that he was solving them cases 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.560 for the husbands cheating on their wives or wives cheating. 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:36.520 On their Oh that's right. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:37.880 But it wasn't enough to pay. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:39.800 It wouldn't enough to make a lot of money, but 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.960 he kept him drunking the doors over here. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:42.760 He's an asshole. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:49.840 So Robby and Ben's uh secretary Janet. But oh, Robbie 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.199 and Ben's secretary Janet. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:51.520 Okay. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.880 They discovered that Lonnie is also tied to Flint. Lonnie 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.359 was a big black guy that had like the super 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.960 tough I thought that was supposed to be tombed to. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:01.159 That kind of bummed me out. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.359 I only know because I looked it up. I didn't 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:04.880 look it up, but I was looking at the characters 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.760 he was playing who and he was listened as Tombstone 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.240 because I was like, that, don't look like Tombstone. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.760 No, Tombstone was one of my favorite Spider Man villains. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.040 And yeah, I guess this confirms he is black. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:15.800 Yeah, Tombstone was black. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.080 In the comics. Yeah, his skin was just white. He 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:23.360 was like albino or some shit. Anyway, So Robbie attempts 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.639 to confront Lonnie, but he's ambushed by cops as his 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:30.760 powers were revealed are revealed with Flint, so Robbie takes 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.520 pictures and writes a story for the Bugle that is 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.800 then misused to villainize Lonnie and Flint. Even more so, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.400 Flint was actually at the fight with the cops too. 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.080 So did the racial undertones with Robbi and Lonnie add 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:44.960 anything to the story for y'all. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.320 I don't feel like they leaned into it. I feel 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:54.119 there was only race later on an episode, but it 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.880 was like just a throwaway. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:03.640 Line to a certain degree. So not really. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.560 I thought they were gonna try to use that a 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.640 little bit, but they didn't lean too heavy into it. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.320 Outside of him not having his job and getting his 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.560