Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome to another episode of the Frames per
Speaker 2: Second Podcast. I'm here for the evening. My name is Mike.
Speaker 2: Next to me, I have Spike crushing Spike. I have Ken,
Speaker 2: and we are reviewing Spider Noir. This is based on
Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight Marvel Okay, hold on, so
Speaker 2: these are Jalen's notes. Jalen types like a young person.
Speaker 2: I read like an old person. So first of all,
Speaker 2: y'all thank Jalen for actually giving us notes. He wasn't
Speaker 2: able to make it today, but he still sent us
Speaker 2: notes because we would have been fucked as far as hugoes.
Speaker 3: So shout out to Jalen. But yeah, so here we go.
Speaker 2: Spider Noir is based on a two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: Marvel comic. I assume the series was greenlit based on
Speaker 2: the performance and the popularity of Nicholas Cage as the
Speaker 2: character in Spider Man into the Spider Verse. I don't
Speaker 2: know if y'all remember that, but Spider Noir was in
Speaker 2: the in uh Spider Verse.
Speaker 3: It was it was supposed to include.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be included in many Spider Man
Speaker 2: character centered shows that have since been canceled.
Speaker 3: I didn't know about that either. But in the comics,
Speaker 3: Spider Noir is still.
Speaker 2: Peter Parker, but his story is far darker than the
Speaker 2: traditional version. So first question he asked here, did y'all
Speaker 2: watch it in black and white or color?
Speaker 3: Color?
Speaker 1: Black and white?
Speaker 3: I watched it in color too.
Speaker 2: I had no desire to watch something in black and white.
Speaker 2: I don't think it hurt or helped my viewing experience.
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all agree with that or not.
Speaker 3: What did you do? Put the cup on the power
Speaker 3: on the thout you getting the facts?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: So we start the season with Ben Riley nary about
Speaker 2: his past life as the Spider and how he lost
Speaker 2: the love of his life her name was Ruby during
Speaker 2: that time because of his failures. So did this backstory
Speaker 2: set up the kind of common theme of Spider Man, Well,
Speaker 2: the you know, the whole burden of a hero type
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 4: Because he never let that shit go. It was like
Speaker 4: episode one through eight. Yeah, you know, so I think
Speaker 4: it did a good job of kind of letting us
Speaker 4: know where this this older hero is ad and and
Speaker 4: why he feels the way he does, and the absence
Speaker 4: of him in the city. You know, so Ruby died,
Speaker 4: which parallels with a failure that Spider Man had in
Speaker 4: the comics with somebody. But I was thinking it was
Speaker 4: also in part because he just got old and he
Speaker 4: couldn't do it anymore. So I was also thinking about
Speaker 4: like getting old, you know, and does he still have
Speaker 4: it and those sort of moments as well. But apparently
Speaker 4: he just wasn't a good Spider damn. It sounded like,
Speaker 4: but we never got a chance to see though.
Speaker 2: I guess I also forgot to ask, did you actually
Speaker 2: like this?
Speaker 3: This this whole series as a whole.
Speaker 4: It started slow, you know, for the story to kind
Speaker 4: of really build, but I think the second part I
Speaker 4: liked more.
Speaker 1: I wasn't, you know, I didn't mind what I was watching, you.
Speaker 4: Know, because I I started and I watched two or
Speaker 4: three episodes back to back, and I liked the different
Speaker 4: like sort of superheroes that they were showing, you know.
Speaker 4: So when when the first one like it was the
Speaker 4: same man, I was like, oh shit, it's the same man.
Speaker 4: And then the other ones they add it, so I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, this is a cool switch twist.
Speaker 1: And I don't know much.
Speaker 4: About spidering the war because I didn't read any of
Speaker 4: that shit, so I was really more interested in the
Speaker 4: story and seeing how this character is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I enjoyed it, though.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I was I was too up on what this was,
Speaker 5: and then Nicholas Cage took you all the way out
Speaker 5: of it, Like Nicholas Cage is just god awful in
Speaker 5: my opinion. But I didn't have the context. And I
Speaker 5: always feel like it's with comic book movies that I
Speaker 5: did they like the mainstreams, that I didn't read it,
Speaker 5: So I just feel like I'm watching it, I'm just
Speaker 5: lacking a whole lot of context. And it's just I
Speaker 5: never was able to just get fully locked in on
Speaker 5: it because I'm I'm like, who the fuck is Ben Riley?
Speaker 3: Like why where's Peter Parking?
Speaker 5: It just never made sense to me, and I don't
Speaker 5: understand the backstory of it, so, like all of it,
Speaker 5: there was no real consequence involved with it for me
Speaker 5: because my thought process is the MCU is the main
Speaker 5: Spider Man, so I know nothing nick can happening this
Speaker 5: is going to affect it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no sake in it.
Speaker 5: It was just like, and then if that's gonna be
Speaker 5: the case, I need somebody other than Nicholas Cage to
Speaker 5: carry to show the mah. I thought he was real bad.
Speaker 5: I thought he was a god awful action.
Speaker 3: You thought, I don't like Nicholas ca But I think
Speaker 3: he was just fine for this role because it's Nicholas case.
Speaker 4: I think he was trying to talk, not like Nicholas
Speaker 4: Cage issue.
Speaker 2: I thought they were going for a fifties detective Noir
Speaker 2: or forties I don't know what fucking year this is.
Speaker 3: But I thought he was fine.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I won't walk away being like, oh my god, Nicholas
Speaker 2: Cage killed this. No, he never kills anything. But I
Speaker 2: thought they picked a fine person to do this. To
Speaker 2: be campy. I mean either him or or or Keanu
Speaker 2: reeves to be campy and just to be like so deadpan.
Speaker 2: I think they I think he was fine. But overall,
Speaker 2: I thought this was the most eye.
Speaker 3: Show I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 2: It was I I at no point was I excited,
Speaker 2: at no point was like like damn, I need to
Speaker 2: get home to finish this. It was just like, all right, man,
Speaker 2: I'll just power through. I'll just power through it. Because
Speaker 2: I didn't remember we had to cover it until I
Speaker 2: texted y'all it was the end of the day Friday,
Speaker 2: before I could even start the shit. I almost told
Speaker 2: you all I couldn't do it, but you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't want to be like a certain other person. But
Speaker 2: in the present day, back to the show, he is
Speaker 2: a private investigator and he's hired to investigate a man
Speaker 2: named Addison who has superpowers. Addison is also being trailed
Speaker 2: by another PI who catches up to him before he's
Speaker 2: killed in an explosion.
Speaker 3: Was any of this interesting?
Speaker 4: Not really, because I felt like there was still setting
Speaker 4: things up outside of Addison having powers, This still pretty
Speaker 4: much felt like a setup for me because Adamson pretty
Speaker 4: much died right away and so nah nah. Even with
Speaker 4: the other PI, it didn't really do much in terms
Speaker 4: of I think it was good to kind of establish
Speaker 4: where we're going, but that was about it.
Speaker 3: What about you, Spike was interesting at all?
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't interested in Again, I'm trying to figure
Speaker 5: out who the players is in this and who's important,
Speaker 5: and it's just it was just okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't really that interested either. I thought him
Speaker 2: someone that had powers like that. I thought that was
Speaker 2: kind of interesting, but at this point in the story,
Speaker 2: I didn't really care about any of these people. When
Speaker 2: Ben returns to this office, he's approached to investigate Kat
Speaker 2: Hardy as her husband suspects that she's cheating. So his
Speaker 2: investigation finds out that she is seeing the mayor of
Speaker 2: the city, which immediately causes him to give up on
Speaker 2: the case and lie to the husband. What did this
Speaker 2: reaction say about Ben's character?
Speaker 4: Well, I think it let us know that he's I
Speaker 4: think he's dishonest, you know, And I think they let
Speaker 4: us know off rip and we see that play out
Speaker 4: throughout the rest.
Speaker 1: Of the season.
Speaker 5: Dishonest I didn't get until later, but I do definitely
Speaker 5: agree with you. He gave to me that he just
Speaker 5: wanted it easy, anything with too much stakes to it,
Speaker 5: or got got too much involved. Yeah, I'm hands off,
Speaker 5: which is why he was struggling. Was in a position
Speaker 5: that he was in as a PI like, yeah, he
Speaker 5: ain't trying to get to no real business.
Speaker 4: I thought that was tied to more of him being
Speaker 4: an alcoholic n failure.
Speaker 1: Then then other stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I got I got kind of
Speaker 2: all of that, but I already wasn't a fan of
Speaker 2: his character anyway, because it's Nicolas Cage.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's whatever.
Speaker 2: Before Ben can approach Kat with the information, at a club,
Speaker 2: he's visited by one of silver Main's men, whose name
Speaker 2: is Winston, who threatens to kill him. But we get
Speaker 2: background that silver Main is the crime boss of the
Speaker 2: city and has taken control of the city since the
Speaker 2: Spider was gone.
Speaker 1: And uh.
Speaker 2: See, we see that he kills the other PI because
Speaker 2: he knows too much, the other PI being what was
Speaker 2: the dude's name?
Speaker 3: Fuck? The other PI is fine.
Speaker 2: But did this approach to a mobster as an antagonist
Speaker 2: contribute to the appeal of the show? Like?
Speaker 3: Did you care about this mobster guy?
Speaker 1: Fifties, forties whatever, thirties genre? A spider in the war?
Speaker 1: He's basically this vert Kingpin.
Speaker 2: I literally thought it was Kingpin when they were showing
Speaker 2: him from the ground up. I was like, oh, Kingpin's
Speaker 2: in this, Yeah, did you get anything from him?
Speaker 3: Just like whatever? Just like whatever? All right, but the
Speaker 3: bills piling up.
Speaker 2: Ben decides to confront Kat with information to blackmail, which
Speaker 2: leads her bodyguard Flint Marco to follow him. This leads
Speaker 2: to a fight where it's revealed that Flint has superpower
Speaker 2: superpowers before he this is a god damn. This leads
Speaker 2: to a fight where it's revealed that Flint had superpowers
Speaker 2: before he disappears. Was the show balancing the tone anasthetic
Speaker 2: well with the comic book background, because anyone that's read
Speaker 2: the comic we immediately know this is this is Sandman.
Speaker 3: So did that whole thing work well in this show?
Speaker 1: I think so, because I don't.
Speaker 4: It felt like until we got towards the end that
Speaker 4: they didn't really want to lean on powers a lot.
Speaker 4: And you know, so they were used sparingly, and every
Speaker 4: once in a while they introduced another villain, another villain.
Speaker 4: Then you got to where we ended up. But I
Speaker 4: liked that they didn't really lean too heavy on it, Like,
Speaker 4: but you got to give comic book fans and gotta
Speaker 4: give them something, and these are the recurrent villains. So
Speaker 4: when it was sam Man, I was like, oh shit.
Speaker 4: I did like the fact that it was Samon. I said, Okay,
Speaker 4: so now we're not gonna just have him walking around
Speaker 4: trying to beat a mob boss. It's like, okay, now
Speaker 4: we got sam Man. Because I didn't know Sam Man
Speaker 4: was going to be in it, So I did like that.
Speaker 5: I was on the other end of you in the
Speaker 5: sense of I didn't know if I don't know SAMN,
Speaker 5: I haven't read the comics, so them using their powers
Speaker 5: earlier it would have been better for me for this.
Speaker 5: They leaned too much into the New York Said Noor
Speaker 5: side of it and expected that storytelling to keep people
Speaker 5: engaged to where I feel like like it was kind
Speaker 5: of cool once he started doing the Spider Man stuff,
Speaker 5: like you've seen him on the buildings. And I know
Speaker 5: they may not have had the budget of a movie
Speaker 5: to do that, it just that stuff was way more cool.
Speaker 3: Than just the regular storytelling of this show.
Speaker 2: Okay, I actually liked that they threw Flint Marco in this,
Speaker 2: and I thought that the even though you said it
Speaker 2: didn't have the budget of a movie, I thought the
Speaker 2: effects looked great. I thought the way that they did
Speaker 2: Flint Marco was super dope.
Speaker 3: But the episode closes.
Speaker 2: With Ben abandoning the blackmail and decided I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do it, and the next day Kat hires him
Speaker 2: to investigate Marco's disappearance. So the next episode opens with
Speaker 2: Ben searching Marco's apartment, where he realized that Addison and
Speaker 2: Flint knew each other from the war. This is before
Speaker 2: working for silvermin Ben confronts her with information as he
Speaker 2: believes that she may be hiding pieces from him, and
Speaker 2: she admits that she purposely hid it for her protection
Speaker 2: from silvermin So it's been justified in feeling some contempt
Speaker 2: for Kat when learning about Flint ties to silvermin Or
Speaker 2: was Kat justified in hiding.
Speaker 1: It all of the above?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: He hid information from her and she wanted. She is
Speaker 4: fully aware of what kind of character Silvermain is, so
Speaker 4: she knew she had to give him only enough that
Speaker 4: would help him solve the case to protect herself.
Speaker 3: Did you get the same things, Bike?
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much like Kat always seemed like she had
Speaker 5: some schemes going on.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree, we can Okay.
Speaker 2: So the next scene is when we finally get a
Speaker 2: full action scene with the Spider He's fighting a bunch
Speaker 2: of Silvermain's henchmen and he's trying to intimidate them into
Speaker 2: leaving Ben alone. Uh and as well as Janet. Janet
Speaker 2: is the secretary. So did y'all like seeing this fight?
Speaker 3: Can they not call him Spider Man? Well, no, because
Speaker 3: they own it.
Speaker 2: Because this is this is this is done by Sony,
Speaker 2: So Sony owns the Spider Man.
Speaker 3: The Spider Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 4: It's in this particular alternate universe or whatever they had.
Speaker 4: But now I think they needed to give us some action,
Speaker 4: and we need to see Spider Man's uh you know
Speaker 4: what he can and cannot do, you know. So I
Speaker 4: liked that they had to do something because him just
Speaker 4: walking around detective detective diving isn't enough.
Speaker 3: You'll finally giving us some action.
Speaker 5: It was like, Okay, finally we get into the ships,
Speaker 5: so let's see where it goes from here. But it's
Speaker 5: kind of stayed in his bed.
Speaker 3: Damn all right.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Ben's friend and journalist Robbie Robertson which he's also in
Speaker 2: the comics, but he's the black Man. He's investigating Allison's
Speaker 2: death as he's looking to get back.
Speaker 3: Into the Bugle, the Daily Bugle.
Speaker 2: This led him to Addison's wife and the guy Lonnie
Speaker 2: to receive some information there that there are multiple men
Speaker 2: with superpowers. He also learns that the Spider unintentionally saved
Speaker 2: silver Main from the police by intervening in his meeting.
Speaker 2: So at this point we've received multiple scenes with Robbie.
Speaker 2: What are y'all's thoughts on Robbie. That's the reporter, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the black dude.
Speaker 5: I liked him probably it was my favorite character in
Speaker 5: the sense of like keeping things going and him trying
Speaker 5: to get it back to report and eating to ketch
Speaker 5: up sandwich suckling man. I missed that he was eating
Speaker 5: a ketchup broke but none of the free.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he brought life to it.
Speaker 5: I feel like I hated Nicholas Cage is like mundane
Speaker 5: ass tone, and I feel like his tone. And the
Speaker 5: secretary too, she did a good job as well, but
Speaker 5: they brought some life to it. Everything else was just
Speaker 5: like blah. So I did like him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were the persons of color in this show.
Speaker 4: But I like Robbie. I'm with you. I think I
Speaker 4: liked him the most out of everybody on here, you know,
Speaker 4: And and I liked how they and I don't know
Speaker 4: if you have anything about his race and how they
Speaker 4: use racism in here, but but I did.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: I did like that part of it as well.
Speaker 4: But yeah, because I think when he went to her,
Speaker 4: she was like, yeah, you don't want me to yell
Speaker 4: out that a black man is trying to Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was dirty, but that's how white women back in made
Speaker 4: total sense.
Speaker 2: Now you said back in the day, Yeah, well shit.
Speaker 1: If Tarantino wrote it, he was kind of damn niggas and.
Speaker 5: That Robertson would have been dead the third episode.
Speaker 1: Okay, see Robe was cool. All right.
Speaker 2: Now we're jumping into the next episode, Double Cross, and
Speaker 2: this is where Silvermin hires Ben to find a rat
Speaker 2: in his organization that they believe is trying to kill him,
Speaker 2: and he learns that silver Main has a tracking system
Speaker 2: in his bills, and Kat warns him that he is
Speaker 2: becoming unhinged. So at this point, who did you think
Speaker 2: the rat was? And were you bothered by the fact
Speaker 2: that we had someone named silver Main and it wasn't
Speaker 2: played by Terrence Howard.
Speaker 1: I had no idea who the rat was.
Speaker 4: I didn't honestly care who the rat was because I
Speaker 4: felt like this was just a side story and it's
Speaker 4: part of to connect to this whole bigger story. You know,
Speaker 4: these old mob gangsters or the detective stories would take
Speaker 4: you all over the.
Speaker 1: Place, so it didn't matter, and it mattered, but not
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 4: Early on, it was just like all right, man, it's
Speaker 4: just another episode.
Speaker 5: Right, Like all of this gave that what Kid just said,
Speaker 5: it's just another episode, Like I didn't even see it,
Speaker 5: you said, building up to a big old thing. At
Speaker 5: this point when I'm watching them, like this is just
Speaker 5: gonna be like this the whole fucking series. Bro, They
Speaker 5: gonna try to get us invested into this investigation and
Speaker 5: who's the rat?
Speaker 3: And like when I don't care, I don't know.
Speaker 1: What it made. It gave.
Speaker 4: Cat like, uh, skin in the game, you know, because
Speaker 4: with her being the rat, that made her vulnerable, so
Speaker 4: you know, so now you know she had something on
Speaker 4: the hook. And it also led to another moment we're
Speaker 4: gonna get to later on down the line. So it
Speaker 4: served a functional purpose in terms of the story.
Speaker 1: Because they used it all the way to the episode eight.
Speaker 4: But in terms of like at this point, nah, because
Speaker 4: I didn't think, you know, I didn't, I didn't think.
Speaker 4: I think that was just to kind of show Ben
Speaker 4: playing both sides and he'll do anything for money, which
Speaker 4: he needed to because he wasn't paying.
Speaker 3: Anybody thinks we're getting paid.
Speaker 1: He had money from somewhere. I don't know where he
Speaker 1: was getting money from.
Speaker 4: Kiddy I noticed he seemed like he didn't have money,
Speaker 4: but he was surviving somehow, so.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was drinking quite a bit, so he
Speaker 3: had a little something. Oh.
Speaker 5: They did say it that he was solving them cases
Speaker 5: for the husbands cheating on their wives or wives cheating.
Speaker 3: On their Oh that's right.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't enough to pay.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't enough to make a lot of money, but
Speaker 5: he kept him drunking the doors over here.
Speaker 3: He's an asshole.
Speaker 2: So Robby and Ben's uh secretary Janet. But oh, Robbie
Speaker 2: and Ben's secretary Janet.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: They discovered that Lonnie is also tied to Flint. Lonnie
Speaker 2: was a big black guy that had like the super
Speaker 2: tough I thought that was supposed to be tombed to.
Speaker 3: That kind of bummed me out.
Speaker 4: I only know because I looked it up. I didn't
Speaker 4: look it up, but I was looking at the characters
Speaker 4: he was playing who and he was listened as Tombstone
Speaker 4: because I was like, that, don't look like Tombstone.
Speaker 2: No, Tombstone was one of my favorite Spider Man villains.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I guess this confirms he is black.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tombstone was black.
Speaker 2: In the comics. Yeah, his skin was just white. He
Speaker 2: was like albino or some shit. Anyway, So Robbie attempts
Speaker 2: to confront Lonnie, but he's ambushed by cops as his
Speaker 2: powers were revealed are revealed with Flint, so Robbie takes
Speaker 2: pictures and writes a story for the Bugle that is
Speaker 2: then misused to villainize Lonnie and Flint. Even more so,
Speaker 2: Flint was actually at the fight with the cops too.
Speaker 2: So did the racial undertones with Robbi and Lonnie add
Speaker 2: anything to the story for y'all.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like they leaned into it. I feel
Speaker 4: there was only race later on an episode, but it
Speaker 4: was like just a throwaway.
Speaker 1: Line to a certain degree. So not really.
Speaker 4: I thought they were gonna try to use that a
Speaker 4: little bit, but they didn't lean too heavy into it.
Speaker 4: Outside of him not having his job and getting his
Speaker 4: job back and them taking what he wrote and using
Speaker 4: it to their advantage to sensationalize it.
Speaker 1: That should have happened today with anybody.
Speaker 4: So I don't want to sign that to just a
Speaker 4: race thing with him in this particularly ancient with the
Speaker 4: news story and it was Lonnie and another white guy,
Speaker 4: it was Lonnie and Flint that were made out.
Speaker 3: To be monsters. So yeah, got that race from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I got racial undertones from
Speaker 2: that part. I mean I was getting it with Robbie
Speaker 2: a little bit. It just I just felt it with
Speaker 2: the people he was talking to, but they never really
Speaker 2: just came out and said it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they did show like a whites.
Speaker 2: Only sign at one point, but I was like, y'all
Speaker 2: just kind of scared to really go there.
Speaker 4: But but I think it's just we look, we know
Speaker 4: it's the time period, so we gotta let y'all know
Speaker 4: that we're gonna be at least factual, right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I saw it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's but it had to be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the only part is it's probably
Speaker 4: not is in his notes was when he went to
Speaker 4: Harlem and he saw the subway change from white to
Speaker 4: black people.
Speaker 3: Mm. I don't think I noticed that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was the only time about race, but
Speaker 4: again that kind of made sense.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 2: So Ben later confronts Kat at Penn station that she
Speaker 2: tries to flee, but Winston captures them and after tracing
Speaker 2: marked payment from silvermin Ben frames Winston by using his
Speaker 2: money to pay Vera.
Speaker 3: I don't know who fuck Vera is. Who is Vera?
Speaker 1: Oh? That was I can't remember. I know who she is.
Speaker 1: She was the white woman.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh the ex wife. He had an ex wife
Speaker 3: that was doing all the shopping and ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that was the one Robbie found. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was the one Robbie found that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe that's who Vera is. But yeah, Silvermin
Speaker 2: shoots and kills Winston. Did y'all see this coming?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he had to get out of that because
Speaker 4: all of them were there. I didn't see. I didn't
Speaker 4: know how he was going to do it. The mark bills.
Speaker 4: Once Silverman started talking, I was like, okay, yeah, but
Speaker 4: I didn't know that's why he was still in the money.
Speaker 1: From didn't say until it was revealed.
Speaker 4: So but once they got there and he was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know how I paid my people, and.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I mark on my bills and
Speaker 1: then he just shot him. I was like, okay, that's clever. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I actually started to get a little confused
Speaker 2: at this point, but I was like, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think I care that much to go back and
Speaker 3: rewatch this episode.
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, Yeah, I cared just
Speaker 4: a smidget because I was like, where's the mark?
Speaker 1: And I kept rewinded trying to see the mark, but I.
Speaker 3: Never saw it. Yeah, I definitely wind It was a dut.
Speaker 3: It's a red dut. He made a red I was
Speaker 3: in black and white. Yeah, he made a red dit.
Speaker 3: On top of all the serial.
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Speaker 2: Lease lead us in an episode four and this reveals
Speaker 2: that Silvermain has the police commissioner under his thumb, and
Speaker 2: Cat reveals to Ben that she is the rat so
Speaker 2: she could settle down with Marco. After Silvermain murdered her
Speaker 2: first fiance, and then Ben and Kat, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: began a close and intimate relationship.
Speaker 3: So did you.
Speaker 2: See this coming? And should Ben have trusted her? And
Speaker 2: why do you think that they started to bond?
Speaker 4: I have absolutely no idea. The only thing I could
Speaker 4: think about is he lost Ruby. She lost her previous husband,
Speaker 4: but she replaced it with Flint, and then our Flint gone,
Speaker 4: so she needed a way out. So maybe she was
Speaker 4: trying to use him, which I think he picked up
Speaker 4: on that later on. But this shit was complete waste
Speaker 4: of time. Like it's like.
Speaker 5: It didn't even last an episode did Like the very
Speaker 5: next episode she betrayed him.
Speaker 4: It just didn't make any sense, Like why you like
Speaker 4: this guy like this all of a sudden. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: I was just like, it's just like, y'all just gotta
Speaker 4: write this in here, just.
Speaker 3: Because I never believed her.
Speaker 2: No, I never believed that she actually liked him, So
Speaker 2: I was just like, all right, what are y'all doing
Speaker 2: right now with this shit?
Speaker 3: This is kind of but it was just so she
Speaker 3: could set him up, right, No.
Speaker 2: I think she was just trying to find a replacement
Speaker 2: for Flint, she's all I think she just always needs
Speaker 2: a man to save her.
Speaker 5: Yeah in the character arca, but I'm speaking from a
Speaker 5: writing stand point.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's the only reason, because that's the
Speaker 2: way all these fucking crime noirs is always a bunch
Speaker 2: of betrayal and so yeah, so Marco decides to work
Speaker 2: for Silvermin, which leads to even more feuding with the
Speaker 2: mayor because the major. The mayor and silver Main are
Speaker 2: battling because Silvermin wants more control and he's just like, look,
Speaker 2: you know, I could take you out of this job
Speaker 2: right now and replace you with somebody else.
Speaker 3: But the mayor then.
Speaker 2: Seizes the opportunity to get photos with the Spider, you know,
Speaker 2: after the Spider defeats.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was supposed to be shocked.
Speaker 1: Or elect but they said he I called him.
Speaker 2: I've never even heard of megawat me either looking it up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, is the political corruption and crime maneuvering being
Speaker 2: handled well as a plot line at this halfway point
Speaker 2: of the story, No, damn, I don't know the mayor.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's beef with the balls. It made sense,
Speaker 5: it just wasn't interesting because again it goes back to
Speaker 5: my original thing. It's it's no stakes in this, Like
Speaker 5: I didn't. I wasn't invested in either one of these characters.
Speaker 5: I didn't care what happened with either, like who like
Speaker 5: if one one over the other? What does that mean
Speaker 5: to the story? And why do I care? As a
Speaker 5: fan watching like, I don't know, And they never really
Speaker 5: explained it. They just said they beefing here. I'm with
Speaker 5: you a hundred percent. Yeah, Ken, do you disagree?
Speaker 1: I know, I agree, we will. Yeah. I didn't find it.
Speaker 3: Interesting, all right? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this leads us into episode five, which is called Betrayal, which, uh,
Speaker 2: this reveals Ben's backstory becoming the Spider I did. I
Speaker 2: did find this actually kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: So this is where.
Speaker 2: He's over in the war in World War One and
Speaker 2: he discovers all these German experiments on POW's and he
Speaker 2: starts liberating them. But then there's there's half mutated Spider
Speaker 2: dude and he bites him.
Speaker 3: So where'd y'all think of this origin story?
Speaker 4: I didn't know his origin store, So I was definitely
Speaker 4: interested in this episode when they was telling his story,
Speaker 4: and I thought it was gonna be your It seemed
Speaker 4: like every story.
Speaker 1: You get bit by a spider that's.
Speaker 4: Irradiated and the fallen from the ceiling and whatever whatever
Speaker 4: to find out it was this half spider, a mutatd spider.
Speaker 4: I did not know that that's how it happened, if
Speaker 4: that is indeed sticking to the comics. So I did
Speaker 4: think that that was interesting. I was like, because that
Speaker 4: motherfucker the way he turned around, his face was all
Speaker 4: messed up and stuff like that. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: that's a movie right there. But yeah, so I thought
Speaker 4: that was cool because I never knew his story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was oh no good, it was a good backstory.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was way more interesting than most of the
Speaker 5: other stuff that I saw, like them showing what started.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: I wish y'all would have just stuck here for a while,
Speaker 2: because I thought I found this way more compelling than
Speaker 2: the rest of this fucking detective shit because.
Speaker 1: They ain't do shit with it.
Speaker 4: We didn't see him do really a lot of shit
Speaker 4: with the POW's and everybody else. We just they just
Speaker 4: told us about things. Oh yeah, I remember you and
Speaker 4: you like, bro. It would have been nice to see
Speaker 4: him and he's sitting up there doing the herk jerk. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was weird, but anyway, but nah, this was interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: So Robbie has interviewed Lonnie with Janet, where they discovered
Speaker 2: that he was also a POW.
Speaker 3: With many of the other superpowered.
Speaker 2: Men, It's revealed that doctor Faber has triggered these mutations
Speaker 2: in many of them, which is why their powers are
Speaker 2: beginning to appear, but it's also killing them.
Speaker 3: So did this work with the story or were y'all
Speaker 3: just kind of like, all right, bro, I don't care
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 4: I think they wanted to create steaks for the villains.
Speaker 1: And give.
Speaker 4: Nicholas character Ben Rowley more purpose being the only one
Speaker 4: that has this sort of mutation. So I'm thinking about
Speaker 4: ex meening mutants since they've used a mutation. But it
Speaker 4: was just probably another part of the story. Now we're
Speaker 4: gonna bring in the scientists so we can get towards
Speaker 4: to the end. So I felt like they didn't do
Speaker 4: a lot with this, and I don't know if they
Speaker 4: could have done more, but you know, but it didn't.
Speaker 4: It was just almost like a bridge to get to
Speaker 4: the end for me. With these next two episodes now
Speaker 4: bringing back the racial part, the oldest son. I did
Speaker 4: like when it was like he's a negro, so nobody's
Speaker 4: gonna believe him. So that was a good kind of,
Speaker 4: you know line that they used the show where we were,
Speaker 4: of course thinking about Tarantino, it would have been party
Speaker 4: are but but I like it was just, look, we're
Speaker 4: still in whatever this time piece is. Black people are
Speaker 4: still in this specific spot in society, so we're gonna
Speaker 4: just at least be somewhat authentic.
Speaker 1: But that was it.
Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing, all right, Yeah, I'm with you. It just
Speaker 2: seemed like it was a bridge to get to the
Speaker 2: end of all of this.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't think I cared because they kept introducing
Speaker 2: more people I didn't really care about, and I wasn't
Speaker 2: that interested in. So it's like, okay, now y'all got
Speaker 2: a whole other scientist that we have to now learn about.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I didn't. I didn't really care. That's a
Speaker 5: good point. They didn't even establish the people that they
Speaker 5: introduced us to initially well enough to start bringing in
Speaker 5: more people. I had that exact feeling. Watch It's like, bro, like, now,
Speaker 5: who is this person who like that?
Speaker 2: Dangn I haven't watched a lot of Noirs, but I
Speaker 2: think Noirs do that too. But regardless, this did not
Speaker 2: really work for me because I was just like, all right,
Speaker 2: I just don't care about her.
Speaker 3: Or her son. But Biden, but Lonnie and Dirk, I'm trmember.
Speaker 2: Who oh, Dirk is the power guy, the fake ass electro.
Speaker 2: So Lonnie and Dirk they ended up joining Flint and
Speaker 2: Silvermin to become part of Silvermin's crew. Flint uses Lonnie
Speaker 2: to see Kat one more time, as she has told
Speaker 2: Ben that she'll run away with him.
Speaker 3: In the last episode Loyal Bro.
Speaker 2: Lonnie tells Kat that Faber believes seeing the spider could
Speaker 2: help find a cure, and this led to Cat revealing
Speaker 2: who Ben was so waskat wrong for this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we definitely saw her coming because it was the
Speaker 4: title of the episode, So I don't know, Yes, she was,
Speaker 4: but she always did love Flint, so she wanted Flint back,
Speaker 4: so she was just.
Speaker 1: Really using him.
Speaker 4: Then, Yeah, why would she want to run around run
Speaker 4: away with this old guy when Flint's right there and
Speaker 4: could be cured.
Speaker 1: Let me get my old boo back.
Speaker 4: And Flint the only reason he dropped joined the mob
Speaker 4: because he heard them planning to run away so he
Speaker 4: got mad and was like, well, fuck it, then I'm
Speaker 4: gonna just go join siver Man.
Speaker 1: He didn't know he was dying. None of them knew
Speaker 1: they were dying, right.
Speaker 2: No, they I think they did because I think Lonnie
Speaker 2: mentioned it slowly killing him or making him feel.
Speaker 4: And I felt like if they really really knew that,
Speaker 4: like if Ben Riley was like, Yo, the more you
Speaker 4: guys use your powers, you're gonna die. If they knew
Speaker 4: the stakes of using their powers and the risk that
Speaker 4: entails with it, I think it would have added a
Speaker 4: little bit more to the characters and a little bit
Speaker 4: more dimensions to the scientists being there. Yeah, but Ben
Speaker 4: and Lonnie having it out with no confirmation or them
Speaker 4: fully establishing that somebody told them that this was happening, Yeah,
Speaker 4: would have worked a little bit better for me. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but but I felt we were really missing that. But
Speaker 4: but nah, I think that's why the scientists were introduced,
Speaker 4: just to have her betray Yep the detective and to
Speaker 4: read this this final walk down or path to the end.
Speaker 1: Of the series.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think she was wrong for doing it.
Speaker 5: She's been knowing him ten minutes, been knowing another dude
Speaker 5: for that, so like, yeah, I'm gon tell them who
Speaker 5: you are, and it's bigger than you. Like it's like
Speaker 5: they can heal everybody versus just you. So sorry, Ben Riley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't care about healing everybody.
Speaker 3: She didn't, but the scientists did.
Speaker 5: But you know, I think that didn't play any much
Speaker 5: into her motives as far as heid, just the one
Speaker 5: that she loved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right about that, and.
Speaker 4: They missed on that too, But ye keep going. We
Speaker 4: almost at the end.
Speaker 2: So the next episode it's called Nightmare on a Gurney
Speaker 2: and this has Faber and her son Ogden. They kidnapped Ben.
Speaker 2: This is when he goes to his house and he's
Speaker 2: talking to him and he sticks in with a needle
Speaker 2: and they actually start working on him by like cutting
Speaker 2: his side open and all that. During her operation, Ben
Speaker 2: has nightmares about the procedures and and and changes that
Speaker 2: he endured after the spider bite.
Speaker 3: What y'all think of these mutations?
Speaker 2: Do you remember these when like the body bottom of
Speaker 2: half of his body started changing into a spider.
Speaker 3: But it could have been all the spiders star crawling.
Speaker 2: Yeah that you know, the mask that he had originally
Speaker 2: put on, it turned into a spider.
Speaker 4: Nothing, Oh right, the spiders coming out was was was cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really cool seeing them come out.
Speaker 4: I mean you can kind of see that that was
Speaker 4: going to happen, but no, I still didn't mind it,
Speaker 4: you know. And I think this was just a way
Speaker 4: for them to use his nightmares as a way to
Speaker 4: mask the operation of her cutting him open like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so you know, it gave some subtle nineteen fifties forty whatever,
Speaker 4: that's how they would probably do That's how they typically
Speaker 4: did horror shit back then, you know. So yeah, dream
Speaker 4: sequences are my least favorite form of telling stories, and
Speaker 4: so that's.
Speaker 3: Why you hate David Lynch. Yes, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Faber is actually able to develop a cure, and she
Speaker 2: she restores Ogden to his true age because whatever power
Speaker 2: he had, it was like the power makes him look
Speaker 2: older or.
Speaker 1: Something, and we don't know what power he had.
Speaker 3: To say it he aged, She asked, power is that?
Speaker 3: So she plans to kill Ben so they can cover
Speaker 3: their tracks.
Speaker 2: However, Silvermin and his men invade the facility to find
Speaker 2: more meta humans to mark uh to mark kind of
Speaker 2: like this, this desire to make their their team bigger.
Speaker 2: After seeing other Mutators soldiers Faber failed to save. Oh sorry,
Speaker 2: after seeing other Mutatus soldiers that Faber failed to save
Speaker 2: and getting shot at by Ogden.
Speaker 3: Uh, Lonnie, Did Lonnie kill the doctor?
Speaker 1: No? I was the.
Speaker 2: Electric right Electro killed the doctor and her son. As
Speaker 2: silver Main's men blow up the lab, Ben leads with
Speaker 2: the cure in his possession. So what'd y'all think of
Speaker 2: this part? I forgot that was actually the shocker guy
Speaker 2: because I was just like, well, why are they letting
Speaker 2: him get away with all this? Because it seems like
Speaker 2: Silvermain didn't want them dead yet.
Speaker 4: He didn't, so I don't get Yeah, they let him
Speaker 4: get away with a lot of shit. Silverman was talking shit,
Speaker 4: but he ain't really listen to him, so yeah.
Speaker 5: To a head at the end though, he finally was
Speaker 5: like we need him silvermin Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but either way go. I think all of this
Speaker 4: was a miss I think that they only had a
Speaker 4: limited windows. I get it, but we have to we're
Speaker 4: taking what Ben said to the son, your mom is crazy, yeah,
Speaker 4: and so now you're telling us, not really showing us,
Speaker 4: And then you showed us that she was actually crazy
Speaker 4: with the experiments in the end. So I think that
Speaker 4: was a miss because it didn't hit when we saw it,
Speaker 4: and their reactions to seeing the soldiers about because one
Speaker 4: of gouds, oh, that's such and such right there, Like
Speaker 4: I didn't feel that either. So her being this whole
Speaker 4: sort of mad scientist underneath, when they was trying to
Speaker 4: sell it as her just trying to save her son,
Speaker 4: I think there was a disconnet and that whole thing
Speaker 4: that happened.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think they were really gonna kill her.
Speaker 4: Ben Roy ain't shit, but I thought he was gonna
Speaker 4: come back and say this motherfucker left.
Speaker 3: He got what I needed.
Speaker 4: Look, you're not staying here. He's like, it's my mom.
Speaker 4: He was like, all right, it's cool. I'm gonna take
Speaker 4: this for anadote and you on your own, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have fun with that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I thought being Roley one ship for leaving them, but
Speaker 5: rightfully so I understood it. And quick introduction, then quick
Speaker 5: killing of the mom and the son. But I guess
Speaker 5: we didn't need him for nothing else after this, and
Speaker 5: this was elect episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was the thing. It was just we're
Speaker 4: gonna make her evil, so you guys don't care about.
Speaker 5: Her, right, And she get out of here. So I
Speaker 5: ain't really get nothing from this other than also Electroid Start.
Speaker 4: I just think that they really missed like this whole
Speaker 4: the story of the POWs and the experiments.
Speaker 1: Yes, like we really needed really more there.
Speaker 3: They would have gave us a lot more value.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really felt like we need a
Speaker 1: lot more there.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well this takes us into episode seven.
Speaker 2: This was called Nobody's Here, and we see that Ben's
Speaker 2: drowning his sorrow over cast, betrayal and alcohol at a
Speaker 2: bar and then he gets into a fight with a
Speaker 2: bunch of people that don't really like the Spider like that.
Speaker 2: Did you have any sympathy in for for Ben's character here?
Speaker 3: God? Damn no.
Speaker 1: Why are you even upset? That's the other thing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why are you up set? Yeah? To the best sellers, man,
Speaker 1: So he was a mad because Cat was gonna leave him.
Speaker 2: That's what I don't Well, I think he was more
Speaker 2: upset that Cap betrayed him, that they were.
Speaker 4: Gonna kill That's right, because he really believed man, Right,
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, but the issue I had the fight scene was cool.
Speaker 1: I did like the fighting.
Speaker 4: The issue I had was like, bro you just walked
Speaker 4: out in the same outfit you came in and you
Speaker 4: just put a mask on it, came back in and
Speaker 4: beat these dudes up.
Speaker 1: That's all you did. Like, and you're still drunk.
Speaker 4: So of course the bartender or the owner of the shop,
Speaker 4: and you fucked up his shop. Yeah, just to come
Speaker 4: back and prove a point to some young punks because
Speaker 4: of your ego.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: And he didn't care. He was like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 4: was on the house. What now you're paying for all this?
Speaker 4: You broke my whole bar up.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 2: I didn't love this scene either. I love the action
Speaker 2: in it, I did not love the fact that barkeeper.
Speaker 4: Was just like, oh yeah, don't worry about it, man,
Speaker 4: and then Robbie coming in like they're not even trying
Speaker 4: to be discreeked.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who the spider is. He was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: come on, we gotta go do.
Speaker 4: This this thing like and he's like and then he
Speaker 4: pulled his mask up, damn it up to the Yeah,
Speaker 4: he has a very very distinguiable.
Speaker 1: Bottom half of his face. I've been serving you drinks
Speaker 1: because you're visibly drunk.
Speaker 4: You drunk, so I've seen you drink that's your fucking chair, bro,
Speaker 4: you're the guy that was still sitting here that was
Speaker 4: giving drinks too.
Speaker 5: They spoke to that in the last episode a little
Speaker 5: bit too. I think when the second too, he thought
Speaker 5: she didn't know. She's like niggall me a hundred times
Speaker 5: you would have Spider.
Speaker 1: He does get a little loose. Yeah, you're right, I guess.
Speaker 3: Okay, but they don't make it better. But it made
Speaker 3: me think of it.
Speaker 4: To what you're saying, it explains what Yeah, okay, now
Speaker 4: it helps make that a little bit more sense. But
Speaker 4: I I still didn't like he messed up the bar.
Speaker 4: But anyway, we can move on. Good action though. I
Speaker 4: did like the fighting.
Speaker 3: You agree, all right?
Speaker 2: I don't think y'all having any real thoughts on Nicholas
Speaker 2: Kge's performance here, due.
Speaker 1: We already talked about his performance early. Anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, after some encourage from Robbie to help the
Speaker 2: other meta humans, Ben prepares doses of the antidote to
Speaker 2: cure all of them and plan to use it on
Speaker 2: himself afterwards.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the first cure was Lonnie. Did y'all like
Speaker 3: this part? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I like the liney story worked out Will He didn't
Speaker 5: like he didn't seem like he liked being in any way.
Speaker 5: That's whether the other ones really were leaning into it.
Speaker 5: He was like more so forced, and yeah, I liked it.
Speaker 5: He got his cure and he got.
Speaker 3: To go on.
Speaker 4: By this day, I think Flint and Lonnie were reluctant
Speaker 4: to work with him. Flint heartbroken, Lonnie I can't remember why.
Speaker 4: Maybe racism, but but I think I'm with you. I
Speaker 4: like how this ended, and I'm so glad. I was
Speaker 4: so concerned Mike when he walked off, and he was like, man,
Speaker 4: you know, thank you brother, you know seeing black people
Speaker 4: come the guy how he walked off all tall, and.
Speaker 3: I was like, he's gonna walk out that door and
Speaker 3: get shot in the head.
Speaker 1: I thought so too. Yep.
Speaker 4: So I'm glad he just walked off and he was cool.
Speaker 4: And he got money too. He's like, I don't need you, bro,
Speaker 4: I got all this cash. I'm straight.
Speaker 1: He saved me. So I was wondering how he was gonna.
Speaker 4: They didn't really think things through a lot, like his
Speaker 4: skin was impenetrable, but the eyeball made sense now. I
Speaker 4: was like, dang, is that eyeball gonna held up with it?
Speaker 4: Like is he blind but you know, mine of detail.
Speaker 4: But it worked out. So I'm happy this storyline ended
Speaker 4: the way it. Did you agree with that, Spike? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I like the way he has worked out, Loni? Was
Speaker 4: that worked all?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, this is leading into the last episode. This is
Speaker 2: episode eight. This is the final episode of course, this
Speaker 2: type of the man in the mask. So in this one,
Speaker 2: Kat tells Janet to ask Ben for the antidote because
Speaker 2: she wants to cure Marco and Lonnie. But they follow
Speaker 2: Janet to Robbie's place and they end up capturing Ben
Speaker 2: and Silvermain also forces Ben to contact the Spider and
Speaker 2: orders the antidote brought to the alcove where he's kind
Speaker 2: of hiding at What y'all think of the way this
Speaker 2: one kicked off?
Speaker 3: What happened when he kicked off?
Speaker 4: Well, I got you, it was it was It was
Speaker 4: tense this episode. I did like this last episode a lot.
Speaker 4: It was tense him trying to save her even though
Speaker 4: she betrayed him, and him Silverman saying trying to convince
Speaker 4: him to reveal his identity.
Speaker 1: So I did like all of that.
Speaker 4: And then Kat was basically came out and was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm the fucking rat. What you're gonna do about it?
Speaker 3: Because didn't they want to hire Riley to figure out
Speaker 3: who Spider Man was?
Speaker 4: No, they they sought Riley there to call contact the Spider. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then the fake electrocutioner guy was Shocker or electro whatever,
Speaker 4: was like, I know you, I remember you.
Speaker 1: I thought Mike he was gonna remember him from when.
Speaker 4: They fought the first time, and the way he was talking,
Speaker 4: and I thought he was gonna say something that because
Speaker 4: you know, he was always talking when he was fighting,
Speaker 4: He's gonna say something that gave him an audible like recognition.
Speaker 1: Who was which I did like their first fight scene.
Speaker 1: I thought that was good just for people listening because
Speaker 1: in case they were like, oh what you guys think
Speaker 1: about that? You know how they do U?
Speaker 4: I did like that fight scene because he didn't know
Speaker 4: how to defeed him and the show, I sorry, Ben
Speaker 4: Roley was I.
Speaker 5: Because I don't know if they they said this and
Speaker 5: I tuned it out. But why was his powers not
Speaker 5: working sometime?
Speaker 3: I have no clue.
Speaker 1: Uh ed, really, it was just just was it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they explained it, so I think it's just old
Speaker 4: age and they were or maybe yeah, that's all.
Speaker 3: I thought it was something that somebody had and we yeah,
Speaker 3: like that, but that's crazy, nah, I.
Speaker 1: Think it was just washed up.
Speaker 4: They kept playing with that theme throughout the whole you
Speaker 4: know series, which you know, that's why he had to
Speaker 4: come back and prove that he still had it with
Speaker 4: the fight at the bar. So but yeah, so then
Speaker 4: Cat revealed who he was. I thought Flint was gonna
Speaker 4: attack and do something he didn't he was gonna let
Speaker 4: his girl get killed, and then that's when uh oh yeah,
Speaker 4: and then of course uh he called him some mega
Speaker 4: wat Megawa was like, oh yeah, you were the p
Speaker 4: o W guy, and that's when Silvermin started to connect
Speaker 4: the dots everything and tried to force him to reveal himself.
Speaker 4: And that's when Robbie walked in, talking shit like he
Speaker 4: can really fight, And I thought when they gave him
Speaker 4: the shot, I thought that would explain why he didn't
Speaker 4: have spider powers and Nicholas Cage Ben Roley was gonna
Speaker 4: just not reveal who he was.
Speaker 1: So when he revealed who he was, I was like,
Speaker 1: that was stupid. You'd have to do that. It didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I feel like there was a reason
Speaker 3: for him to do it, but I don't remember.
Speaker 4: What it was. They gave a reason, and the reason
Speaker 4: was at this point the megawatt guy was like, why
Speaker 4: should I give this to you? You want to use
Speaker 4: this antidote as leverage over us, right, So, and he
Speaker 4: was starting to kind of basically bump back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because he had these.
Speaker 4: Darker impulses that he couldn't control, and he wasn't listening
Speaker 4: to Silvermane anymore. And I think he was going to
Speaker 4: start attacking somebody or he was going to kill somebody,
Speaker 4: and that's when he saved the day.
Speaker 1: They made it make sense. I just didn't like it, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they bring.
Speaker 2: They bring in Robbie, who is dressed up as the
Speaker 2: Spider because Silvermain wants Ben to call the Spider because
Speaker 2: at this point he's putting it together that Ben Riley
Speaker 2: is the.
Speaker 3: Spider, Robbie Spider the war but got it fat Yeah
Speaker 3: that was good.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 2: But Kat is also being threatened to be shot due
Speaker 2: to Silvermain because Kat had to confess everything that she did,
Speaker 2: including the fact that she I think it was her
Speaker 2: that tried to set up him to get killed.
Speaker 3: Ye hired Adison right, So, uh, I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: Think, did you did pull the gun on her? And
Speaker 2: he held the gun to her side, he didn't actually
Speaker 2: shoot her, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: To protect Ben, Kat reveals that she betrayed Silvermain, but
Speaker 2: before Silverman can kill her, Robbie arrives dressed as a spider.
Speaker 2: But then Megawatt injects Robbie with the cure and electrocutes him,
Speaker 2: and then he tries to persuade Marco to help them
Speaker 2: all overthrow Silvermain, but Ben regained consciousness, and no, Ben
Speaker 2: regains the use of his webbing because in this show,
Speaker 2: the webbing comes out of his wrist allah Toby maguire,
Speaker 2: there's no actual Webshooters, but he somehow regains the control
Speaker 2: of his webs, which made it confusing as to why
Speaker 2: they were going away in the first place, because if
Speaker 2: it was because he's old, then why did they come back.
Speaker 2: This is really confused the shit out of me.
Speaker 3: But he ends up fighting Megawatt and Marco while Kat
Speaker 3: is tracking down and killing Silvermain. So did y'all like
Speaker 3: this no old fight scene?
Speaker 1: Damn, damn you did? I did not.
Speaker 5: I just the action really just didn't work for me
Speaker 5: in a sense. So again I keep saying, this is
Speaker 5: sound like a broke the wind of mistakes. So even
Speaker 5: I kind of nine point five nine point nine to
Speaker 5: nine percent sure that Riley was gonna walk away from this, Like.
Speaker 1: The only thing I was curious was whether or not
Speaker 1: Flint was gonna get the antidote or not.
Speaker 4: I thought he was gonna die. So I did like
Speaker 4: Ben Riley fighting both of them. I thought that was
Speaker 4: done to him not really being able to defeat them,
Speaker 4: like because he was sorry shit, so they were wooing
Speaker 4: his ass and they were much younger, so it kind
Speaker 4: of made sense. The whole cat Grant or whatever name was,
Speaker 4: and several main parts. I didn't really care for it,
Speaker 4: like all these mirrors, so we've seen that a thousand times,
Speaker 4: but it made sense for this sort of period piece
Speaker 4: that they would do something like that. And I was
Speaker 4: trying to count the bullets because I'm like, damn when
Speaker 4: she shot and killed him.
Speaker 1: But either way, so that was fine. I think it
Speaker 1: worked for her to get her revenge for him killing her.
Speaker 1: Uh her, Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, MEGAA was was sucking the dudes up and uh
Speaker 4: Sam man oh when he took both of the cars
Speaker 4: and he smashed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was doing his thing, was was killing yeah.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then he took megawatt and threw him in front
Speaker 4: of the train and he killed that. Yeah, but he
Speaker 4: was gonna die anyway. And that was the other thing,
Speaker 4: is like he didn't care. He felt like the more
Speaker 4: he use his power was the more powerful he got.
Speaker 4: But he was also burning up and fall apart as well.
Speaker 4: What I don't know when he was electrocuting sam Man
Speaker 4: and his ship was turning the fucking glass and he
Speaker 4: broke his hand off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and then she.
Speaker 4: Gave me and then they were down the one antidote
Speaker 4: that was love because I kept count of those, So
Speaker 4: I think they were trying to create like a sort
Speaker 4: of tension vibe.
Speaker 2: Was gonna get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked this
Speaker 2: scene also. I thought it was a cool fight scene.
Speaker 2: Y'all brought up the car park. I thought that part
Speaker 2: was dope. I really enjoyed the whole turning his hand
Speaker 2: into but he had his hand when he came into
Speaker 2: the office later.
Speaker 1: Bro, I don't know. I don't know if she just
Speaker 1: waited until I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it when he's still the sand Man,
Speaker 2: I guess he can bring his hand back with sand,
Speaker 2: but I was more so thinking like, okay, when you
Speaker 2: lose your powers, you're not sand anymore, so your hand
Speaker 2: should be gone.
Speaker 4: I think he waited until I think maybe she just
Speaker 4: chopped that part off, and then the sand kind of regenerated,
Speaker 4: and then she gave him an antidote.
Speaker 1: Because even his face was fucked up too.
Speaker 4: That's the only way I could make it made sense, okay,
Speaker 4: because I thought he was gonna come in with one on.
Speaker 3: I did too, Yeah, I did too. Now I thought
Speaker 3: she was gonna be like, well, I don't think I
Speaker 3: like you no more?
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, So Ben gives the very last antidote
Speaker 2: dose to to flint Mark, sacrificing his only chance to
Speaker 2: become human again. And he does this so Cat and
Speaker 2: Marco could be together, which I didn't give a fuck about.
Speaker 2: This scene where Cat comes over and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: are you mad at me? Or whatever the fuck it was.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, get this ship the fuck out
Speaker 2: of here, bro, if you don't kick this chick across
Speaker 2: the room.
Speaker 1: It was like, look, I read a new game in
Speaker 1: that ship. You still whatever he called gally wag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Now this part was also a little
Speaker 2: bit corny, but I was okay with it. Robbie leaves
Speaker 2: the Daily Bugle to lead the harlem Ans. What in
Speaker 2: the de bullshit was this? But yes, then we see
Speaker 2: Ben and Janet. They renovate. Their office is now called
Speaker 2: Riley and Rui's Investigations.
Speaker 3: That's kind of it. So, yeah, decent little ride. It
Speaker 3: was like I said it was, It was fine, it
Speaker 3: was fun.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Jalen had as many notes as he did,
Speaker 2: because I don't think I would have had this kind
Speaker 2: of detail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably does. No more backstory.
Speaker 2: We probably could have used Jalen because I can already
Speaker 2: imagine the fucking virgins on Twitter and Reddit are gonna
Speaker 2: be really upset because we didn't give We.
Speaker 3: Didn't give the show the amount of attention that it
Speaker 3: had divers.
Speaker 1: I love Fire Noir.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll investigate why you're a fucking forty five year
Speaker 3: old virgin. That's all we got.
Speaker 2: Anybody got any closing thoughts on Spider and Noir? Do
Speaker 2: you do you like the fact that they gave us
Speaker 2: a season? Show should be Should this have been a movie?
Speaker 2: Do you want a season two?
Speaker 5: It would have worked as a movie. Maybe because you're
Speaker 5: not keeping us there for eight hours instead of two.
Speaker 5: So yeah, worked as a movie. I don't want to
Speaker 5: see season two at all.
Speaker 3: Damn. I don't think this would be I have people
Speaker 3: been talking about this like.
Speaker 1: People enjoy it? Yeah, I haven't seen worse.
Speaker 4: It's working well for the audience is intended to That's
Speaker 4: the think for what I've seen, So I think the
Speaker 4: audience score is pretty good. I'm cool good, But nah,
Speaker 4: I think we're fine in and out complete story, him
Speaker 4: not being able to use powers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: We don't need to see that for another season, so
Speaker 1: now we good.
Speaker 3: I agree with you all. This was a fine in
Speaker 3: and out.
Speaker 2: My only issue with this show is it was eight hours,
Speaker 2: not really because each episode was like forty minutes. But regardless,
Speaker 2: I think this could have been. This could have been
Speaker 2: a punisher, one last kill level type of show. Just
Speaker 2: drop it on us, give us an hour, hour and
Speaker 2: a half and call it a day. I definitely think
Speaker 2: this would have made a better movie because it felt
Speaker 2: like they were dragging certain shit out, and that was
Speaker 2: my issue with this show. It was like, all right, bro,
Speaker 2: like you're overstaying, You're welcome, let's go ahead and get
Speaker 2: to the ship again. As much as I don't like
Speaker 2: Nicholas Cage, I thought he did a fine job. But no,
Speaker 2: I don't need a season two of this. I don't
Speaker 2: need to see Spider Noir can pop up again in
Speaker 2: Spider Verse or if they pop him up in Doomsday
Speaker 2: and he shows.
Speaker 3: Up, ohs this doctor Doom guy and they kill him
Speaker 3: or some shit.
Speaker 2: Fine, but more Spider Noir going around doing detective shit.
Speaker 2: I'm straight, I'm good, I'm good. But it wasn't a
Speaker 2: bad show. It wasn't a bad show. I'll never watch
Speaker 2: it again, but it wasn't a bad show. So that's
Speaker 2: all we got for Spider Noir. Let us know what
Speaker 2: y'all thought in the comments if you want to, feel
Speaker 2: free to talk with your friends about what we missed
Speaker 2: and what we did not understand, and I'll read them
Speaker 2: because I'm curious. But but yeah, that's it. That's gonna
Speaker 2: do it. Hope you all enjoyed this review, and we'll
Speaker 2: see y'all next time we out.
Speaker 1: And the total run time was five hours and fifty
Speaker 1: three minutes.
Speaker 3: That's still a lot of spiderfucking Noir.
Speaker 1: Six hours