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Speaker 2: We got a lot we're gonna get into today.
Speaker 1: We got, obviously we talked a little bit about it yesterday,
Speaker 1: some flat cameras, and obviously there was a lot of
Speaker 1: news coming out of Moorsville today. But we'll get into that,
Speaker 1: and I will tell you why the female police officer
Speaker 1: being arrested in Mooresville is actually a silver lining and
Speaker 1: why that's a good thing. By using the flat cameras,
Speaker 1: I will tell you why that's a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: actually a really good thing. So we'll talk about that,
Speaker 1: and we got some other things that we're going to
Speaker 1: get into tonight.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Start off with Congressional District eleven and Chuck Edwards, the
Speaker 1: congressman who was on this show a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago for the first time, and well scheduled to come on,
Speaker 1: I believe next week.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, at three thirty two.
Speaker 1: In the morning, he put out a tweet, as one
Speaker 1: does at three thirty two in the morning, after much
Speaker 1: prayer and reflection, I've decided to withdraw from my reelection campaign.
Speaker 2: I will complete my current term.
Speaker 1: Serving Western North Carolina has been the honor of my life.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your trust, prayers and support.
Speaker 1: God bless Western North Carolina and American And as of
Speaker 1: right now, that has over one million views.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: It was going to be different difficult for him. He
Speaker 1: was in a fight for his reelection. He's in an
Speaker 1: area that is generally considered strong red.
Speaker 2: It was pink.
Speaker 1: It was a purple, but it was pink, and it
Speaker 1: was going to be difficult. He expected him to win,
Speaker 1: but it was going to be difficult in his campaign
Speaker 1: against the Democrat Jamie Ager.
Speaker 2: By the way, Jamie's a dude. It's a guy. Just
Speaker 2: seen him and is uh.
Speaker 1: Is basically his campaign slogan is a Democrat farmer and
Speaker 1: he's got all you know, he's done all kinds of
Speaker 1: farming and stuff like that. So anyways, Chuck was expected
Speaker 1: to win, but by a very slim margin just because
Speaker 1: that district is so damn red.
Speaker 2: But it was going to be very difficult.
Speaker 1: And then the House Ethics Committee came out with their
Speaker 1: findings on Monday and said they recommended censure for Chuck Edwards,
Speaker 1: which basically is a slap on the wrist. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean much. It's like being reprimanded. But what it does
Speaker 1: is you remember, like when you were in school, and
Speaker 1: I don't mean high.
Speaker 2: School, but like elementary school at least. This was damn
Speaker 2: near a weekly occurrence for my ass.
Speaker 1: For talking too much or talking too loud, or being
Speaker 1: disruptive or whatever, and you had to go stand in
Speaker 1: the corner. I mean, I had a cot in the corner.
Speaker 1: I was in the corner so much, right, I was
Speaker 1: paying rent in that corner. But there wasn't really punishment,
Speaker 1: but they singled you out, and the whole class knew
Speaker 1: it was you, right, And so that's sort of what
Speaker 1: being censured is. You're not being punished, you're just being
Speaker 1: put out for the entire rest of the people to see.
Speaker 1: Nothing's really happening to you, except your reputation is damaged.
Speaker 1: The NCGP did that to Tom Tillis. Other districts did
Speaker 1: it to Tom Tillis. They censured him. No others went
Speaker 1: and said we're not giving you a single penny because
Speaker 1: we hate your guts.
Speaker 2: That happened, but.
Speaker 1: It was going to be difficult, and it was going
Speaker 1: to be a district the Republicans absolutely one have to
Speaker 1: have if they're going to maintain control of the House
Speaker 1: up in DC. So at three point thirty two in
Speaker 1: the morning, he put out that statement. Like I told you,
Speaker 1: I reached out to his team today, the ones that
Speaker 1: helped set up the interviews a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Not surprisingly crickets. I mean, not even thanks, but no thanks,
Speaker 1: just nothing.
Speaker 2: And I get it.
Speaker 1: Today has been a crazy day and I'm sure they've
Speaker 1: had every media person across the planet trying to reach
Speaker 1: out to them today. I get it. So I'll try
Speaker 1: again next week. He said he's going to finish out
Speaker 1: his turn, but the House Ethics Committee recommended that he
Speaker 1: be censured for what they believe they have strong evidence
Speaker 1: showing that he sexually harassed staffers and made it a
Speaker 1: hostile work environment.
Speaker 2: He has always denied it.
Speaker 1: He still denied it and said, see this is proof
Speaker 1: vindication on Monday when he said, I told you I
Speaker 1: didn't sleep or do anything inappropriate with these people in
Speaker 1: terms of like grabbing, touching, whatever.
Speaker 2: So that's where we are with that.
Speaker 1: What happens here now is on Monday, this upcoming Monday,
Speaker 1: the executive committee of that district will meet and they
Speaker 1: will pick a replacement to put on the ballot in November. Now,
Speaker 1: even though it's still only you've got all of August,
Speaker 1: you've got all of September, and if you want to
Speaker 1: say October, great, but early voting starts in two and
Speaker 1: a half months. But you can still say all of October,
Speaker 1: so two and a half to three months left. Or
Speaker 1: to get his name out there or her name out there,
Speaker 1: and the fact that it's a Republican may help, or
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely does help, and that may energize people.
Speaker 2: To show up.
Speaker 1: We'll see, or it may just take Republicans off or
Speaker 1: whatever and they may not show up.
Speaker 2: Who knows. That's still going to be an interesting race.
Speaker 1: I would still say the Republican is still favored to win,
Speaker 1: but we'll see how that goes. So I will continue
Speaker 1: to try to get the congressman on. Like I said,
Speaker 1: he was actually scheduled to come on the third Wednesday
Speaker 1: of every month. We had actually we had booked that
Speaker 1: made that commitment in the last.
Speaker 2: Week of June.
Speaker 1: We had made that commitment, or like last week, first
Speaker 1: couple of days of July. So yes, we'll see what happens,
Speaker 1: see if I can get him on. But he did
Speaker 1: resign at three point thirty two in the morning, resigned
Speaker 1: from his reelection I should say his re election campaign,
Speaker 1: not from office.
Speaker 2: He will finish out his term.
Speaker 1: Now there are some people that believe that he Republicans
Speaker 1: that believe he won't finish out his term.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back to Breaking with Bret Jenson here
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday. Lonnie confirmed it is a Wednesday, so
Speaker 1: we are here on a Wednesday.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So last night I talked about some flock cameras and well,
Speaker 1: guess what we had a situation today up at Morrisville, Well,
Speaker 1: the Moorswell Police Department had to have a press conference.
Speaker 1: So I want to explain to you what happened and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna tell you, or first you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: the report on what happened, and then I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why. It's actually, I think a good thing. Breaking
Speaker 1: news out of Morrisfeld officials there saying one of their
Speaker 1: own has been arrested and fired for misusing the flock
Speaker 1: camera system. Clean City News reporter David Schuman joins us
Speaker 1: live from Morrisville PLAZE headquarters.
Speaker 2: David, what all do we know right now?
Speaker 3: Matt Mostville's police chief says that officer Elizabeth Snowman accessed
Speaker 3: the flock system thirty one times in order to track
Speaker 3: her boyfriend's ex wife. He says she did it while
Speaker 3: she was on duty and off. The chief also told
Speaker 3: us there are other officers in his department currently being
Speaker 3: investigated for misuse of the cameras, and he said we
Speaker 3: could be back here days from now talking about another arrest. Still,
Speaker 3: he believes the positives of the cameras and assisting police
Speaker 3: work outweigh the negatives.
Speaker 4: People don't have an expectation of privacy and plates that
Speaker 4: really aren't owned by them are owned by the state anyway.
Speaker 4: But the question becomes what's being done with that data?
Speaker 4: So that's the rub here, right, It's not so much
Speaker 4: they talk about the privacy issue, but listen, this cameras
Speaker 4: everywhere you drive by, ring doorbell cameras every day of
Speaker 4: your life. Right, they're picking up the The problem becomes
Speaker 4: what do you do with what happens with the data
Speaker 4: that's collected, or in this case, what are cops that
Speaker 4: shouldn't be cops in the first place doing with this stuff.
Speaker 3: Snowman has been released on bond. Now there are constitutional
Speaker 3: questions surrounding these flock cameras. The question has not been
Speaker 3: settled in the courts, but there are legal cases pending.
Speaker 3: Many people have concerns over the invasion of privacy. They
Speaker 3: say that the cameras entailed reporting live in Moresville David Schuman,
Speaker 3: Queen City News.
Speaker 2: All right, so let me give you this little bit
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: And I know this is what people are always concerned
Speaker 1: about when they ever talk about flock cameras.
Speaker 2: So here's what they talk about.
Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that where a police officer is
Speaker 1: going in and tracking people whatever. And according to the
Speaker 1: Washington Post, that has happened fifty times this year in America.
Speaker 1: But I want you to think about something. How many
Speaker 1: police departments and sheriff's offices are in America?
Speaker 2: Was it twenty thousand?
Speaker 1: Every town, every county, hell, Gaston County's got the Gason
Speaker 1: County Police Department and the Gaston County Sheriff's Department, and
Speaker 1: then every town has their own police department. Right, So
Speaker 1: you used to have the Mecklenburg CMPD. You used to
Speaker 1: have the Mecklenburg Police Department as well as the Mecklinburg
Speaker 1: County sheriffs. Then the Mecklenburg Police Department merged with Charlotte
Speaker 1: Police Department and that became CMPD Charlotte Mecklenburg PD. That's
Speaker 1: how they got the name. So I don't know twenty
Speaker 1: thousand towns. So it happened fifty times. If you think
Speaker 1: about it, that's a very small percentage.
Speaker 2: Georgia. By the way, twenty of those came from.
Speaker 1: Georgia, just twenty of the fifty, so that's forty percent.
Speaker 1: South Carolina had two, and then you had twelve of
Speaker 1: the states that ad one officer. So now we've got
Speaker 1: the officer in Moreswelle. Here's why I say it's a
Speaker 1: good thing that she got arrested, or this is a
Speaker 1: positive for flat cameras.
Speaker 2: She got caught and all these officers that are logging in.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the.
Speaker 1: Way, almost always, and like the according to stats, almost
Speaker 1: always it centers around cops tracking spouses or lovers or
Speaker 1: ex lovers, spying on them because they're suspicious and they
Speaker 1: don't want to hire a private investigator, so they use
Speaker 1: flat cameras. But every time you log in, you're tracked,
Speaker 1: like you're tracked as a person logging in, so they
Speaker 1: can see and Moresville, as you heard, is expected to
Speaker 1: maybe even arrest somebody else later this week or early
Speaker 1: next week. So it's a good thing because that she
Speaker 1: was arrested because they can track the people that are
Speaker 1: doing the bad things. Now, granted, fifty seems a lot,
Speaker 1: but hell twenty came from Georgia, twenty twenty of the fifty.
Speaker 1: So yes, it is something that you have to concern
Speaker 1: yourself with. But let me ask you this real quick
Speaker 1: before we go to break. How many bad doctors are
Speaker 1: there out there malpractice over prescribing opioids, How many went
Speaker 1: to jail right, how many have been sued from malpractice
Speaker 1: or misdiagnosis or whatever, right or screwing up a surgery?
Speaker 2: Do you still go to doctors? You still trust doctors.
Speaker 2: Everyone trusts doctors.
Speaker 1: Everyone raises hell about the police department, but no one
Speaker 1: raises hell about probably more doctors than the police officers
Speaker 1: that are doing things they probably shouldn't, writing themselves prescriptions
Speaker 1: so they can get drugs, writing their friends prescriptions, over
Speaker 1: prescribing people like whatever. So just one of those things.
Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back to Breaking with Bret Jenson. Sorry
Speaker 1: for that ten minute break that we just had another
Speaker 1: ten minute break. Unbelievable, all right, so sorry again, sorry
Speaker 1: about that. There's generally supposed to be about sven and
Speaker 1: a half or eight minutes, so sorry about the extra
Speaker 1: two minutes because I do get people text me about that,
Speaker 1: so my apologies.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I digress. I always said something. I digress.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what I was going to do here, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do here because that break took so
Speaker 1: long to go through. It's about an eight minute interview
Speaker 1: with the go Bears County Sheriff, So I don't have
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that here, and it would
Speaker 1: just jack up traffic and everything else. So we're going
Speaker 1: to play the interview in the next segment. But I
Speaker 1: can tell you that some things that you guys need
Speaker 1: to know flot cameras. Flock cameras were put into this
Speaker 1: year's state budget, you know, the big one with the
Speaker 1: teacher pay raises and all that stuff, right that was
Speaker 1: passed and signed by Stein. Fifty flock cameras will be
Speaker 1: used by the State Highway Patrol generally on the interstates,
Speaker 1: you know, on the interstates and or side roads maybe
Speaker 1: where they can track cars, you know, because of drug
Speaker 1: trafficking or whatever like. Because in North Carolina a lot
Speaker 1: of things come up I ninety five and the a
Speaker 1: lot of things come through shop between eighty five and
Speaker 1: seventy seven. So the State Highway Patrol has fifty flock
Speaker 1: cameras and the SBI has another fifty State Bureau of Investigation.
Speaker 1: So the state has one hundred that they will place
Speaker 1: around the state. And then you're going to have your
Speaker 1: local local municipalities, whether it's county, city, and now you've
Speaker 1: got state two state entities, SBI, and what's going on with.
Speaker 2: That with excuse me, with the state troopers.
Speaker 1: So again, like I said last night, you haven't had
Speaker 1: privacy since about two thousand and three because of the Internet.
Speaker 1: Every time you search for something on the Internet, it
Speaker 1: tracks it, you get ads for it. How many times
Speaker 1: have you talked about something, Oh, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna a line. Me and lone are going to talk
Speaker 1: about a Ford F one fifty truck, and then you
Speaker 1: go on Facebook a day later and there's advertisers for
Speaker 1: Ford f one fifty. Happens all the time you search
Speaker 1: for something on Google, it pops up on YouTube. Why
Speaker 1: Google owns YouTube, So there's a lot going on. By
Speaker 1: the way, speaking of YouTube or just in general, how
Speaker 1: many people actually dash cams? And I don't mean cops,
Speaker 1: I mean actual people constantly are recording all the things
Speaker 1: that they're doing.
Speaker 2: Driving wise, always happens.
Speaker 1: People are doing that all the time in case something
Speaker 1: happens in front of them. Now they've got video evidence.
Speaker 1: Something happens behind them, they've got video evidence. I was
Speaker 1: in an uber the other day. They had a dash
Speaker 1: cam and another GoPro camera mounted on the ceiling looking
Speaker 1: back towards the passengers in the back seat. In case
Speaker 1: something happened. They had two cameras. Is that not an
Speaker 1: invasion of your privacy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: More than walking down the street and me sitting there
Speaker 1: in the corner just videoing you, which I can do all.
Speaker 2: Day every day.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to necessarily want to hear about privacy.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you say you don't want to
Speaker 1: be tracked, your iPhone tracks every step you go, everywhere, everywhere,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I believe even when you turn it off,
Speaker 1: it can still track you still figure out where your
Speaker 1: pings are. So sorry, I just the privacy thing that
Speaker 1: ship sailed with the invention of the iPhone in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. So when we come back, we are
Speaker 1: going to talk to Cabarras County Sheriff Vanshaw, who I
Speaker 1: met with earlier today, to talk to him about flat
Speaker 1: cameras having no clue of what was going on in Morswell.
Speaker 1: And again, I think that's a good thing of what
Speaker 1: happened to Morswell because it shows every time someone does this,
Speaker 1: they get busted. And you know what it does, It
Speaker 1: gets the bad cops out of there because if they're
Speaker 1: doing this on flat cameras, they're probably doing other things
Speaker 1: as well. All right, welcome back to breaking with Brad Jensen.
Speaker 1: So earlier today I caught up with Cabarras County Sheriff
Speaker 1: van Shaw to talk about the Flock cameras. And again
Speaker 1: this was before I knew anything about what it transpired
Speaker 1: in Morzil, But not that there would have changed anything.
Speaker 1: I just would have added an extra question. But here's
Speaker 1: how the interview went with Cabarras County Sheriff van Shaw.
Speaker 1: Just the other day, FLOT cameras aided in a situation
Speaker 1: arresting people in Gaston County and it was from people
Speaker 1: that had allegedly done things in Burke County, and the
Speaker 1: FLOT cameras alerted the Gaston County or Gastoli police and
Speaker 1: they were able to do all kinds of things and
Speaker 1: make six arrests and recover a stolen dog and drug
Speaker 1: paraphernilia and everything else. How long have you guys here
Speaker 1: in Capari's County had the flock camera system.
Speaker 5: We've been utilizing Flock for about two and a half
Speaker 5: years now.
Speaker 2: We utilized a small number at first.
Speaker 5: Now we're currently have ten cameras that are spread across
Speaker 5: the county.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, with just even just ten cameras,
Speaker 1: has it been good in aiding and abetting arrests or
Speaker 1: getting suspects and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Has it Has it been worthwhile?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? I mean, you know, things like stolen vehicles. It's
Speaker 5: led to dozens of stolen vehicles being recovered and related
Speaker 5: arrests that come out of those stolen vehicle hits. It's
Speaker 5: helped us over the past year in the investigation of
Speaker 5: three different murders where we not only used information from
Speaker 5: our flock cameras, but also from flock cameras that were
Speaker 5: at private businesses that allowed us to get information from
Speaker 5: theirs as well. So that cooperative nature between you know,
Speaker 5: private private businesses and law enforcement has helped us solve
Speaker 5: many cases, including homicides. And what it does is it
Speaker 5: helps us put a suspect in the location where the
Speaker 5: crime occurred and be able to you know, definitely by
Speaker 5: time and date stamped, you know, captures of the plates.
Speaker 5: We know that that individual and that car was in
Speaker 5: that area at that particular time. So while in of itself,
Speaker 5: it doesn't stand to be the only evidence used in
Speaker 5: the conviction or in the arrest of an individual, but
Speaker 5: it does begin to give us investigative leads and point
Speaker 5: us in a direction and either validates or exonerates you know,
Speaker 5: someone being under the suspicion of being a suspect.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that for a second.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of the naysayers, and not just Cobert's County
Speaker 1: and we're by the way, we're here with Cabara's County
Speaker 1: Sheriff Van Shaw across the country. People say, well, I
Speaker 1: don't like being tracked and I've done nothing wrong and
Speaker 1: I'm being.
Speaker 2: Tracked on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: Or they're storing my data and they can track my data,
Speaker 1: and they're selling my data and all my information to
Speaker 1: third parties. So with those big three concerns, could you
Speaker 1: address the three of those absolutely?
Speaker 5: As far as the sell of data, that does not occur.
Speaker 5: Our contract with Flock clearly states that we own the data.
Speaker 5: It's stored in a secure out. We have a ninety
Speaker 5: day retention period, So if you pass a Flock camera
Speaker 5: and a photographs taken off your tag within ninety days,
Speaker 5: that data rolls off. The only thing that is stored
Speaker 5: is the tag number. No names personal identification is in
Speaker 5: that data storage. It takes extracting that tag based on
Speaker 5: the daytime and location that has an interest to law
Speaker 5: enforcement and then utilizing other systems like the Division of
Speaker 5: Criminal Information to run that tag and get the information
Speaker 5: associated with that tag. So what is actually stored is
Speaker 5: only a tag number, nobody's named, nobody's addressed, anything like that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's clear in the contract that we have
Speaker 5: that they don't. The only access that Flock has to
Speaker 5: the data is for improving the product, where they will
Speaker 5: look at a data set, see how it was organized
Speaker 5: and make that software work better, which is very common
Speaker 5: with many of our contracts that involve data collection. The
Speaker 5: company wants to be able to enhance their product as
Speaker 5: they move through. We have an audit system that tracks
Speaker 5: the utilization of it. It's backed up by verification. If
Speaker 5: we receive a hit, we are going to verify that
Speaker 5: that in fact is listed as a stolen vehicle in
Speaker 5: the National Crime Information Center and before we take action
Speaker 5: on that it's technology. Does it have some glitches and
Speaker 5: problems with it? Yes, if somebody is driving down the
Speaker 5: road with an obscured tag, say there's some dirt, mud
Speaker 5: or whatever, could a six be recorded as an eight? Absolutely,
Speaker 5: you know, no different than calling in a tag number
Speaker 5: and transposing numbers. From that standpoint, as far as using
Speaker 5: it to track, now, we're not using it to track
Speaker 5: citizens citizens simply drive by. Yes, the camera records the
Speaker 5: tag number. It's not utilized for traffic enforcement. It cannot
Speaker 5: be used for traffic enforcement. We don't use it in
Speaker 5: that way. It's an investigative tool or it's a tool
Speaker 5: that gives us immediate notification of a wanted subject, a
Speaker 5: stolen vehicle, a missing subject, a missing and endangered child,
Speaker 5: anything that in CIC applies to that tag number as
Speaker 5: being of law enforcement interest is what Flock is telling us.
Speaker 5: So we know as that car passes by that it's
Speaker 5: been checked against n CIC. N CIC has said, yes,
Speaker 5: that's a stolen vehicle. We verified in our communications center,
Speaker 5: and as soon as the information is verified, it's passed
Speaker 5: on to the officer to an effect a vehicle stop,
Speaker 5: you know, when they have an opportunity or if they
Speaker 5: have an opportunity, because obviously a vehicle can turn off
Speaker 5: a vehicle and speed up down the road and we
Speaker 5: may not be able to catch up with that vehicle.
Speaker 5: But it does give us an indicator that we have
Speaker 5: some type of criminal activity in the community. And you
Speaker 5: know that's imperative I think for community safety. Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: is getting those situations that are going to endanger the
Speaker 5: public at some point, off the streets as quick as
Speaker 5: we can.
Speaker 1: Last question here with Cobert's County Sheriff Fanshaw in terms
Speaker 1: of Caberra's County, and I said, this is being used
Speaker 1: the states literally now using these things on the interstate
Speaker 1: and the SBI, but specifically with Caberras County. What's been
Speaker 1: the reaction, like, has it been pushedback? Has there been support,
Speaker 1: what's been the reaction here? You know, are there individuals
Speaker 1: that are opposed.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think it's because they don't understand how the
Speaker 5: system work works and how what the system is used for,
Speaker 5: so you know, and totally I've seen comments on Facebook,
Speaker 5: but I've equally comments that say, this is no big deal.
Speaker 5: If you're holding a cell phone up to your ear,
Speaker 5: you're being tracked anyway. I think we all realize in
Speaker 5: this day and age that if we type of search
Speaker 5: into a computer, it's going to show an AD, it's
Speaker 5: going to show up a little bit later on. And
Speaker 5: I get that argument as well. I respect any citizen's
Speaker 5: concern for their personal information, and we want to do
Speaker 5: everything we can to protect personal information. That's why there's
Speaker 5: a stringent audit process. There's a verification process up front
Speaker 5: as well as on the back end within the agency
Speaker 5: that's per our policy. But I mean, overwhelmingly for me
Speaker 5: and what I see in the community is that people
Speaker 5: understand to some degree that it's being utilized in a
Speaker 5: reasonable fashion, and they support, many of them saying, if
Speaker 5: you're not doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything
Speaker 5: to worry about. And that's true in so many ways.
Speaker 5: If you know we're doing what we're supposed to do
Speaker 5: and being good citizens and want a safe environment, then
Speaker 5: we don't really have anything to worry about.
Speaker 1: Welcome Barre's County Sheriff Ben Shaw. Thanks for taking the
Speaker 1: time to talk with me about this, because some people
Speaker 1: are concerned, some people aren't concerned.
Speaker 2: So I really just.
Speaker 1: Do appreciate you taking the time to explain all this
Speaker 1: and breaking it down for us.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Brett, I appreciate the opportunity to talk with you.
Speaker 2: All Right, everyone that's going to do it for us tonight. TJ.
Speaker 1: Richie's coming up next. My name is Brett Jensen. You've
Speaker 1: been listening to Breaking with Brett Jenson.