WEBVTT - 8-5-26: Edwards Quits Race 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:30.960 Hi oh, let's go oh, Let's go oh, Let's go oh, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.760 Let's go back to Shaw says Talk one of seven 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.600 point nine FM WBT, Brad Jensen here with you on 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:44.680 this Wednesday Wednesday Night edition. Wednesday Night. Every day is 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.440 exactly the same. Nothing changes. The only thing that changes 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.000 are the people. Everything else is the same. Welcome back 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.479 to this Wednesday Night edition of Breaking with Brad Jenson 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.720 as we go up until seven o'clock tonight. Seven O 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.440 four five one seven nine is the telephone number that 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.160 is also the WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC. 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.440 We got a lot we're gonna get into today. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.840 We got, obviously we talked a little bit about it yesterday, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.920 some flat cameras, and obviously there was a lot of 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.640 news coming out of Moorsville today. But we'll get into that, 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:23.120 and I will tell you why the female police officer 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.840 being arrested in Mooresville is actually a silver lining and 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.319 why that's a good thing. By using the flat cameras, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.640 I will tell you why that's a good thing. It's 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.440 actually a really good thing. So we'll talk about that, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.240 and we got some other things that we're going to 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:40.960 get into tonight. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:43.440 But we're gonna. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:49.240 Start off with Congressional District eleven and Chuck Edwards, the 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.640 congressman who was on this show a couple of weeks 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.960 ago for the first time, and well scheduled to come on, 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:58.240 I believe next week. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.600 As a matter of fact, at three thirty two. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.480 In the morning, he put out a tweet, as one 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.399 does at three thirty two in the morning, after much 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:15.560 prayer and reflection, I've decided to withdraw from my reelection campaign. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.440 I will complete my current term. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.959 Serving Western North Carolina has been the honor of my life. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.320 Thank you for your trust, prayers and support. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:30.440 God bless Western North Carolina and American And as of 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.520 right now, that has over one million views. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.280 Okay, So. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:46.000 It was going to be different difficult for him. He 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.200 was in a fight for his reelection. He's in an 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.920 area that is generally considered strong red. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.800 It was pink. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:01.760 It was a purple, but it was pink, and it 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.040 was going to be difficult. He expected him to win, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.120 but it was going to be difficult in his campaign 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.600 against the Democrat Jamie Ager. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.799 By the way, Jamie's a dude. It's a guy. Just 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.400 seen him and is uh. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:27.800 Is basically his campaign slogan is a Democrat farmer and 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.360 he's got all you know, he's done all kinds of 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:34.840 farming and stuff like that. So anyways, Chuck was expected 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.800 to win, but by a very slim margin just because 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.800 that district is so damn red. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:44.680 But it was going to be very difficult. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.880 And then the House Ethics Committee came out with their 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:57.040 findings on Monday and said they recommended censure for Chuck Edwards, 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:03.280 which basically is a slap on the wrist. It doesn't 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.840 mean much. It's like being reprimanded. But what it does 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.280 is you remember, like when you were in school, and 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:11.240 I don't mean high. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:16.760 School, but like elementary school at least. This was damn 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.839 near a weekly occurrence for my ass. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.279 For talking too much or talking too loud, or being 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.159 disruptive or whatever, and you had to go stand in 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.719 the corner. I mean, I had a cot in the corner. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.640 I was in the corner so much, right, I was 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:34.840 paying rent in that corner. But there wasn't really punishment, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.240 but they singled you out, and the whole class knew 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.039 it was you, right, And so that's sort of what 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.960 being censured is. You're not being punished, you're just being 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.800 put out for the entire rest of the people to see. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:57.720 Nothing's really happening to you, except your reputation is damaged. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:03.520 The NCGP did that to Tom Tillis. Other districts did 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.479 it to Tom Tillis. They censured him. No others went 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.360 and said we're not giving you a single penny because 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:10.200 we hate your guts. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.560 That happened, but. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.000 It was going to be difficult, and it was going 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:21.919 to be a district the Republicans absolutely one have to 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.039 have if they're going to maintain control of the House 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:30.360 up in DC. So at three point thirty two in 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.360 the morning, he put out that statement. Like I told you, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.960 I reached out to his team today, the ones that 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.119 helped set up the interviews a couple of weeks ago. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:45.880 Not surprisingly crickets. I mean, not even thanks, but no thanks, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:46.960 just nothing. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:48.160 And I get it. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.240 Today has been a crazy day and I'm sure they've 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.000 had every media person across the planet trying to reach 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.120 out to them today. I get it. So I'll try 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.720 again next week. He said he's going to finish out 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.440 his turn, but the House Ethics Committee recommended that he 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.040 be censured for what they believe they have strong evidence 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.240 showing that he sexually harassed staffers and made it a 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:14.400 hostile work environment. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:16.200 He has always denied it. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.440 He still denied it and said, see this is proof 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.440 vindication on Monday when he said, I told you I 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.159 didn't sleep or do anything inappropriate with these people in 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:26.920 terms of like grabbing, touching, whatever. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.839 So that's where we are with that. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:37.839 What happens here now is on Monday, this upcoming Monday, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:43.080 the executive committee of that district will meet and they 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:48.040 will pick a replacement to put on the ballot in November. Now, 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.960 even though it's still only you've got all of August, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.520 you've got all of September, and if you want to 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.160 say October, great, but early voting starts in two and 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.360 a half months. But you can still say all of October, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:10.040 so two and a half to three months left. Or 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.120 to get his name out there or her name out there, 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.680 and the fact that it's a Republican may help, or 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:23.920 I mean absolutely does help, and that may energize people. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:24.280 To show up. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.880 We'll see, or it may just take Republicans off or 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.080 whatever and they may not show up. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.240 Who knows. That's still going to be an interesting race. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.440 I would still say the Republican is still favored to win, 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:40.520 but we'll see how that goes. So I will continue 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.240 to try to get the congressman on. Like I said, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.840 he was actually scheduled to come on the third Wednesday 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.840 of every month. We had actually we had booked that 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.679 made that commitment in the last. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.000 Week of June. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.480 We had made that commitment, or like last week, first 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:05.440 couple of days of July. So yes, we'll see what happens, 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.120 see if I can get him on. But he did 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.400 resign at three point thirty two in the morning, resigned 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.640 from his reelection I should say his re election campaign, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:14.400 not from office. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.640 He will finish out his term. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.280 Now there are some people that believe that he Republicans 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:20.640 that believe he won't finish out his term. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.720 So we'll see how that goes. 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.559 All right, Welcome back to Breaking with Bret Jenson here 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.920 on this Wednesday. Lonnie confirmed it is a Wednesday, so 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.319 we are here on a Wednesday. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:37.880 All right. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.520 So last night I talked about some flock cameras and well, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.920 guess what we had a situation today up at Morrisville, Well, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.520 the Moorswell Police Department had to have a press conference. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.599 So I want to explain to you what happened and 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.720 then I'm gonna tell you, or first you're gonna hear 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.160 the report on what happened, and then I'm gonna tell 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.240 you why. It's actually, I think a good thing. Breaking 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.240 news out of Morrisfeld officials there saying one of their 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.480 own has been arrested and fired for misusing the flock 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.040 camera system. Clean City News reporter David Schuman joins us 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.000 live from Morrisville PLAZE headquarters. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.920 David, what all do we know right now? 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:18.360 Matt Mostville's police chief says that officer Elizabeth Snowman accessed 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.520 the flock system thirty one times in order to track 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.520 her boyfriend's ex wife. He says she did it while 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.280 she was on duty and off. The chief also told 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.960 us there are other officers in his department currently being 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.560 investigated for misuse of the cameras, and he said we 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.200 could be back here days from now talking about another arrest. Still, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.920 he believes the positives of the cameras and assisting police 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.360 work outweigh the negatives. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.320 People don't have an expectation of privacy and plates that 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.400 really aren't owned by them are owned by the state anyway. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.679 But the question becomes what's being done with that data? 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.960 So that's the rub here, right, It's not so much 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.800 they talk about the privacy issue, but listen, this cameras 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.160 everywhere you drive by, ring doorbell cameras every day of 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.600 your life. Right, they're picking up the The problem becomes 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.559 what do you do with what happens with the data 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.560 that's collected, or in this case, what are cops that 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.000 shouldn't be cops in the first place doing with this stuff. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.720 Snowman has been released on bond. Now there are constitutional 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.679 questions surrounding these flock cameras. The question has not been 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.280 settled in the courts, but there are legal cases pending. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.800 Many people have concerns over the invasion of privacy. They 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.520 say that the cameras entailed reporting live in Moresville David Schuman, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:32.800 Queen City News. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.720 All right, so let me give you this little bit 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:36.000 of thing. 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.520 And I know this is what people are always concerned 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.319 about when they ever talk about flock cameras. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:42.520 So here's what they talk about. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.240 You know, stuff like that where a police officer is 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.480 going in and tracking people whatever. And according to the 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.240 Washington Post, that has happened fifty times this year in America. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.560 But I want you to think about something. How many 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:04.800 police departments and sheriff's offices are in America? 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.520 Was it twenty thousand? 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.480 Every town, every county, hell, Gaston County's got the Gason 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.920 County Police Department and the Gaston County Sheriff's Department, and 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:21.880 then every town has their own police department. Right, So 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.080 you used to have the Mecklenburg CMPD. You used to 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.760 have the Mecklenburg Police Department as well as the Mecklinburg 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.280 County sheriffs. Then the Mecklenburg Police Department merged with Charlotte 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:36.120 Police Department and that became CMPD Charlotte Mecklenburg PD. That's 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.640 how they got the name. So I don't know twenty 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:44.319 thousand towns. So it happened fifty times. If you think 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.280 about it, that's a very small percentage. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.959 Georgia. By the way, twenty of those came from. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:55.640 Georgia, just twenty of the fifty, so that's forty percent. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.240 South Carolina had two, and then you had twelve of 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.680 the states that ad one officer. So now we've got 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.160 the officer in Moreswelle. Here's why I say it's a 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.240 good thing that she got arrested, or this is a 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.520 positive for flat cameras. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:15.720 She got caught and all these officers that are logging in. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:16.880 Oh and by the. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:22.440 Way, almost always, and like the according to stats, almost 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:29.720 always it centers around cops tracking spouses or lovers or 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.840 ex lovers, spying on them because they're suspicious and they 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.120 don't want to hire a private investigator, so they use 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.520 flat cameras. But every time you log in, you're tracked, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.400 like you're tracked as a person logging in, so they 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.120 can see and Moresville, as you heard, is expected to 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.160 maybe even arrest somebody else later this week or early 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.320 next week. So it's a good thing because that she 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.600 was arrested because they can track the people that are 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.680 doing the bad things. Now, granted, fifty seems a lot, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:08.360 but hell twenty came from Georgia, twenty twenty of the fifty. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:14.600 So yes, it is something that you have to concern 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.319 yourself with. But let me ask you this real quick 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:21.160 before we go to break. How many bad doctors are 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:29.440 there out there malpractice over prescribing opioids, How many went 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.360 to jail right, how many have been sued from malpractice 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.560 or misdiagnosis or whatever, right or screwing up a surgery? 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.959 Do you still go to doctors? You still trust doctors. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:44.800 Everyone trusts doctors. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.360 Everyone raises hell about the police department, but no one 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.960 raises hell about probably more doctors than the police officers 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.839 that are doing things they probably shouldn't, writing themselves prescriptions 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.920 so they can get drugs, writing their friends prescriptions, over 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:07.040 prescribing people like whatever. So just one of those things. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.200 All right, Welcome back to Breaking with Bret Jenson. Sorry 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.320 for that ten minute break that we just had another 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.960 ten minute break. Unbelievable, all right, so sorry again, sorry 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:19.600 about that. There's generally supposed to be about sven and 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.120 a half or eight minutes, so sorry about the extra 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.920 two minutes because I do get people text me about that, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.119 so my apologies. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.160 But anyways, I digress. I always said something. I digress. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.840 Okay, So what I was going to do here, I'm 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.720 not going to do here because that break took so 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.560 long to go through. It's about an eight minute interview 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.480 with the go Bears County Sheriff, So I don't have 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.480 I don't want to do that here, and it would 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.280 just jack up traffic and everything else. So we're going 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.600 to play the interview in the next segment. But I 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.440 can tell you that some things that you guys need 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:03.520 to know flot cameras. Flock cameras were put into this 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.560 year's state budget, you know, the big one with the 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.400 teacher pay raises and all that stuff, right that was 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.640 passed and signed by Stein. Fifty flock cameras will be 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.880 used by the State Highway Patrol generally on the interstates, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:24.320 you know, on the interstates and or side roads maybe 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.400 where they can track cars, you know, because of drug 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.440 trafficking or whatever like. Because in North Carolina a lot 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.080 of things come up I ninety five and the a 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.120 lot of things come through shop between eighty five and 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.760 seventy seven. So the State Highway Patrol has fifty flock 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:43.880 cameras and the SBI has another fifty State Bureau of Investigation. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.360 So the state has one hundred that they will place 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:53.680 around the state. And then you're going to have your 0:15:53.720 --> 0:16:00.800 local local municipalities, whether it's county, city, and now you've 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.480 got state two state entities, SBI, and what's going on with. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.440 That with excuse me, with the state troopers. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:15.040 So again, like I said last night, you haven't had 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.440 privacy since about two thousand and three because of the Internet. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.320 Every time you search for something on the Internet, it 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.160 tracks it, you get ads for it. How many times 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.560 have you talked about something, Oh, you know what, I'm 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.560 gonna a line. Me and lone are going to talk 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.080 about a Ford F one fifty truck, and then you 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.520 go on Facebook a day later and there's advertisers for 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:41.360 Ford f one fifty. Happens all the time you search 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:46.280 for something on Google, it pops up on YouTube. Why 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.600 Google owns YouTube, So there's a lot going on. By 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:57.920 the way, speaking of YouTube or just in general, how 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.840 many people actually dash cams? And I don't mean cops, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.840 I mean actual people constantly are recording all the things 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:07.280 that they're doing. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.520 Driving wise, always happens. 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.760 People are doing that all the time in case something 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.000 happens in front of them. Now they've got video evidence. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.199 Something happens behind them, they've got video evidence. I was 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.119 in an uber the other day. They had a dash 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.000 cam and another GoPro camera mounted on the ceiling looking 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.680 back towards the passengers in the back seat. In case 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.399 something happened. They had two cameras. Is that not an 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:32.600 invasion of your privacy? 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:33.320 No? 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.800 More than walking down the street and me sitting there 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.120 in the corner just videoing you, which I can do all. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.720 Day every day. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.720 So I don't want to necessarily want to hear about privacy. 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.320 And by the way, you say you don't want to 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:54.280 be tracked, your iPhone tracks every step you go, everywhere, everywhere, 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.560 and sometimes I believe even when you turn it off, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:00.919 it can still track you still figure out where your 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:06.639 pings are. So sorry, I just the privacy thing that 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.680 ship sailed with the invention of the iPhone in two 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:15.280 thousand and seven. So when we come back, we are 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.840 going to talk to Cabarras County Sheriff Vanshaw, who I 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.720 met with earlier today, to talk to him about flat 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.800 cameras having no clue of what was going on in Morswell. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.119 And again, I think that's a good thing of what 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.840 happened to Morswell because it shows every time someone does this, 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.320 they get busted. And you know what it does, It 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.840 gets the bad cops out of there because if they're 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.840 doing this on flat cameras, they're probably doing other things 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:43.120 as well. All right, welcome back to breaking with Brad Jensen. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.960 So earlier today I caught up with Cabarras County Sheriff 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.240 van Shaw to talk about the Flock cameras. And again 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.720 this was before I knew anything about what it transpired 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.840 in Morzil, But not that there would have changed anything. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.200 I just would have added an extra question. But here's 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:01.280 how the interview went with Cabarras County Sheriff van Shaw. 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.920 Just the other day, FLOT cameras aided in a situation 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.000 arresting people in Gaston County and it was from people 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.280 that had allegedly done things in Burke County, and the 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.960 FLOT cameras alerted the Gaston County or Gastoli police and 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.439 they were able to do all kinds of things and 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.000 make six arrests and recover a stolen dog and drug 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.560 paraphernilia and everything else. How long have you guys here 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.199 in Capari's County had the flock camera system. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.800 We've been utilizing Flock for about two and a half 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:31.520 years now. 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.320 We utilized a small number at first. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.879 Now we're currently have ten cameras that are spread across 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:40.400 the county. 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.440 So with that being said, with just even just ten cameras, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:49.880 has it been good in aiding and abetting arrests or 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:51.760 getting suspects and stuff like that. 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:53.480 Has it Has it been worthwhile? 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:59.920 Absolutely? I mean, you know, things like stolen vehicles. It's 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:05.080 led to dozens of stolen vehicles being recovered and related 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.320 arrests that come out of those stolen vehicle hits. It's 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.679 helped us over the past year in the investigation of 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:18.800 three different murders where we not only used information from 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:23.000 our flock cameras, but also from flock cameras that were 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:28.320 at private businesses that allowed us to get information from 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:33.280 theirs as well. So that cooperative nature between you know, 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.480 private private businesses and law enforcement has helped us solve 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:42.000 many cases, including homicides. And what it does is it 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.800 helps us put a suspect in the location where the 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:51.040 crime occurred and be able to you know, definitely by 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.439 time and date stamped, you know, captures of the plates. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.080 We know that that individual and that car was in 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.440 that area at that particular time. So while in of itself, 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:03.639 it doesn't stand to be the only evidence used in 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.359 the conviction or in the arrest of an individual, but 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.800 it does begin to give us investigative leads and point 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:16.399 us in a direction and either validates or exonerates you know, 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.080 someone being under the suspicion of being a suspect. 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:23.080 Let's talk about that for a second. 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.520 Maybe some of the naysayers, and not just Cobert's County 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.520 and we're by the way, we're here with Cabara's County 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.440 Sheriff Van Shaw across the country. People say, well, I 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.879 don't like being tracked and I've done nothing wrong and 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:35.480 I'm being. 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:36.680 Tracked on a regular basis. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.440 Or they're storing my data and they can track my data, 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.679 and they're selling my data and all my information to 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:46.520 third parties. So with those big three concerns, could you 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.040 address the three of those absolutely? 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.119 As far as the sell of data, that does not occur. 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:57.800 Our contract with Flock clearly states that we own the data. 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.480 It's stored in a secure out. We have a ninety 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.600 day retention period, So if you pass a Flock camera 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.439 and a photographs taken off your tag within ninety days, 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.679 that data rolls off. The only thing that is stored 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:16.200 is the tag number. No names personal identification is in 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:21.359 that data storage. It takes extracting that tag based on 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.360 the daytime and location that has an interest to law 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:29.240 enforcement and then utilizing other systems like the Division of 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:33.040 Criminal Information to run that tag and get the information 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.840 associated with that tag. So what is actually stored is 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:41.680 only a tag number, nobody's named, nobody's addressed, anything like that. 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.920 You know, it's clear in the contract that we have 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.480 that they don't. The only access that Flock has to 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:53.200 the data is for improving the product, where they will 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.960 look at a data set, see how it was organized 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.719 and make that software work better, which is very common 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:05.520 with many of our contracts that involve data collection. The 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.119 company wants to be able to enhance their product as 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.800 they move through. We have an audit system that tracks 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.600 the utilization of it. It's backed up by verification. If 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:20.119 we receive a hit, we are going to verify that 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.919 that in fact is listed as a stolen vehicle in 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:27.680 the National Crime Information Center and before we take action 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:31.720 on that it's technology. Does it have some glitches and 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.520 problems with it? Yes, if somebody is driving down the 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.520 road with an obscured tag, say there's some dirt, mud 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.800 or whatever, could a six be recorded as an eight? Absolutely, 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.320 you know, no different than calling in a tag number 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:50.520 and transposing numbers. From that standpoint, as far as using 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:54.000 it to track, now, we're not using it to track 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:58.359 citizens citizens simply drive by. Yes, the camera records the 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:02.320 tag number. It's not utilized for traffic enforcement. It cannot 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:06.040 be used for traffic enforcement. We don't use it in 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.680 that way. It's an investigative tool or it's a tool 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:15.760 that gives us immediate notification of a wanted subject, a 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:20.399 stolen vehicle, a missing subject, a missing and endangered child, 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:25.720 anything that in CIC applies to that tag number as 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:30.240 being of law enforcement interest is what Flock is telling us. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.640 So we know as that car passes by that it's 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.920