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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan Morning Show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 1: Good morning and.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into a Wednesday at ninety three five, one oh

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Speaker 2: seven five The Fan. Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, Mark Dyton,

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Speaker 2: I'm jeff Rickard.

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Speaker 1: All in the house. Indiana continues to just kind of as.

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Speaker 2: You guys said yesterday, bathe in everything that goes with

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Speaker 2: being a national championship.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: We've got more basketball tonight for the Indiana Pacers though,

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Speaker 2: taking on the Boston Celtics, and the question for the

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Speaker 2: Pacers always kb is who will and won't be available

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Speaker 2: on a night tonight basis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we still wait the return of Benedict Mathern. He

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Speaker 3: remains out. That is of note because we are now

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Speaker 3: two weeks from tomorrow away from the trade deadline. Rick

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Speaker 3: Carlisle nine to thirty today, speaking of guests, Dave Dunn,

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Speaker 3: that would be the high school coach of one. Fernando

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Speaker 3: Mendoza had him on just prior to the Heisman Trophy ceremony.

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Speaker 3: He will join us coming up at nine o'clock, so

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Speaker 3: looking forward to chatting with him. But yes, this is

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Speaker 3: our running back from.

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Speaker 4: The illegal screen, Illegal screen, Illegal screen game.

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Speaker 2: We should we should play that throughout the morning, illegal screen,

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Speaker 2: Illegal Screen. But no, last time, the Celtics did not

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Speaker 2: just overrun the Indiana Pacers. And I think it's remarkable that, yes,

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Speaker 2: they've had their blowouts, we saw the game against Detroit

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Speaker 2: and things like that. But as Patchwork has this been,

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Speaker 2: this team has been, and Patchwork is even optimistic at times, James,

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Speaker 2: they keep fighting and they've won four games over the

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Speaker 2: last several weeks here a couple of weeks, well, well.

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Speaker 5: You put it like that dune down through promising. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: a little bitter streak there for a minute. Yeah, but

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Speaker 5: it's hard for me to say, yes, they've they fought,

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Speaker 5: they've tried, but it's been a pretty down season for

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Speaker 5: the Pacers, and that's the reality of a situation. And they

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Speaker 5: go in to a Boston Arena or TD Garden tonight

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Speaker 5: facing a Boston team has been surprisingly very good without

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Speaker 5: their top guy, and Jason Tatum, we're coming from an

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Speaker 5: chills tears.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, man, the achilles just has been the injury

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Speaker 2: of sports over the last couple of years, not just

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Speaker 2: the things that we've seen here with Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 2: Tyreese Holliburton. But it feels like achilles injuries are just

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Speaker 2: popping up everywhere. Kevin, I don't remember in all the

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Speaker 2: years that I've been covering sports a concentration of Achilles

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Speaker 2: injuries over the last two three four years like we've

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Speaker 3: Jalen Brown will play tonight. He did not play in

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Speaker 3: last week's game. Again, low scoring game. That was that

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Speaker 3: super low foul game. Siakam hit the you know, of

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Speaker 3: course bank shot there, and we had the infamous Joe.

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Speaker 4: Miszula press conference afterwards.

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Speaker 3: And Rick Carlisle sharing his thoughts with us that next day, Mark,

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Speaker 3: if we could, let's cute that Kurtzignetti clip from yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You know, one of the points I tried to make

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Speaker 3: yesterday was Kurtzignetti is a wonderful, brilliant X's and O's coach. Clearly,

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Speaker 3: the internal development of players on their roster is through

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Speaker 3: the roof, but I think right up there, if not higher,

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Speaker 3: is just, frankly, his ability to recognize the massive mindset

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Speaker 3: shift that was absolutely needed in Bloomington, and Signetti I

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Speaker 3: thought really expanded on that yesterday. You know, this is

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Speaker 3: actually a question for those that weren't falling along. They

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Speaker 3: do this the morning after. We see it with the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl, we see it also with the college football

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Speaker 3: for Nando Mendoza, Aiden Fisher, I think Pat Coogan. Those

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Speaker 3: and the question was asked specifically to the players, but

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Speaker 3: Signetti felt the need or wanted to interject, and he

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Speaker 6: To the question players just answered about Indiana. I think

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Speaker 6: that's called a paradigm shift.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's kind.

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Speaker 7: Of like people can cling to an old way.

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Speaker 6: Of thinking, chategorizing teams as this that differences is this

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Speaker 8: Power Mountain and college football is today. So you know,

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Speaker 8: I think to look back at what happened to Indiana

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Speaker 4: And the other thing I'd.

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Speaker 6: Like to say also is this, this team went all

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Speaker 9: This was chapter two in the book and very close

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Speaker 9: team special team. The first team never got the national

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Speaker 9: credit is due because of the controversy over the playoffs,

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Speaker 9: the way we play in the last two and a

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Speaker 3: The High State and not so again now with Signetti yesterday,

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Speaker 3: and I think this goes back to again a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a conversation that we had of you know,

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Speaker 3: not to like disparage Michael McRobbie as a university president,

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Speaker 3: but his background was literally Australia. I don't think the

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Speaker 4: Frankly, Pam, yeah, I don't know. Maybe if we played

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Speaker 4: I don't know, is it rugby?

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Speaker 1: What would be the Australian rules football?

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Speaker 4: Let's go Australian rules football.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe Indiana would have a world class program

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Speaker 3: in that Pam Witten, new president.

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Speaker 4: Spent five years at Georgia.

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Speaker 3: You think she saw what proper college football can do

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Speaker 3: for an entire university. And you know, to be honest, guys,

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Speaker 3: Tom Allen made a lot of these comments on his

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Speaker 3: I mean he made sure not to just think whatever,

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Speaker 3: everybody for the opportunity. He made sure to say, if

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Speaker 3: table of college football, you need a commitment from above me.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you think about.

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Speaker 3: The two coaches prior to Kurt Signetti, Tom Allen, who

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Speaker 4: And maybe it just took multiple swings and misses.

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Speaker 3: Again from a whatever new head coach standpoint, for Kurt

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Speaker 3: Signetti to finally have those ears. Or maybe it took

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Speaker 3: But I just think it's a point that shouldn't get

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Speaker 3: lost in the Kurt Signetti turnaround. Of a lot of

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Speaker 3: it is university mindset that needed to have a commitment.

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Speaker 3: In credit to Signetti for going to the nth degree

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Speaker 4: He didn't hold back.

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Speaker 5: When I hear that response yesterday, Kevin, listening to it

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Speaker 5: as if Kurt Signetti is still selling something. And I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying he's out here, you know, trying to give

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Speaker 5: Probably a little bit easier, we probably got a little

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Speaker 5: bit of higher standing, you know, better storefront or whatever.

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Speaker 5: But when you said it's paradigm shift, I think you

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Speaker 5: can sell it easier now because you're sitting there as

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Speaker 5: a national champion. Now the question becomes how many kids

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Speaker 5: can we get to stay home? There's always talent here.

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Speaker 5: I mean I see it on a yearly basis. I

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Speaker 5: am not talking about kids going to no respect any school,

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Speaker 5: but you know FCS programs or the you know Group

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Speaker 5: And we're not We're no longer selling you on what

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Speaker 5: could be. We're selling you on what is You want

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Speaker 5: announce champion come here we are you want to.

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Speaker 7: Get developed to go to the NFL?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 7: Beyond for now.

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Speaker 5: Mendoza, I was going through actually some Colts draft stuff

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Speaker 5: people don't to hear about the Colts. But one of

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Speaker 5: Michael Paman Junior isn't retained, you need know the receiver

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Speaker 5: you know, get somebody who's won, played at a high level,

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Speaker 5: was productive in college, got coached well. So all those

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Speaker 5: things I think translate to why you can sell that

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Speaker 5: to kind of approach it like that. But at the

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Speaker 5: same time, you could tell the dude is just not satisfied.

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Speaker 5: I love how you just grabbed the question from someone else.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's like, wait a second, let me get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Kevin, you make an unbelievable point.

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Speaker 2: You talk about the background at Georgia for the new

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Speaker 2: bringing in Kurt Signetti, and then you talk about what

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Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti did the moment he got here in that

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Speaker 2: when he was introduced at that basketball game, it was

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Speaker 2: about we say this all the time, and which one

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Speaker 2: of the teams was like, we're about alignment.

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Speaker 1: It's all about alignment. You hear that in sports all

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Speaker 2: I hear that in press conferences whenever new head coaches

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Speaker 3: Netti's the one that study said it on the Big

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Speaker 2: When you get the school president, the athletic director, the

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Speaker 2: aligned that fan base announcing his presence and yeah, I

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Speaker 2: but he brought them along, he got them on board.

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Speaker 2: Now you have total alignment in that program from the

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Speaker 2: and compete. The alumni are in alignment. When you hear

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Speaker 2: base all in perfect alignment, you get a national championship, apparently,

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Speaker 2: because I don't think all that many programs are in alignment,

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Speaker 2: and those are the ones that have a chance to win.

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Speaker 3: And I think we will look back, or we should

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Speaker 3: look back on the first twenty four hours in the

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Speaker 3: job for him and just never lose sight of what

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Speaker 3: he did, because in multiple instances he did things that

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden made people around the country be like, what,

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Speaker 3: who the hell is this IU coach?

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Speaker 4: Kurt Signetti? Is it with a K or C? Well,

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Speaker 4: what is this guy's background? Like, who does he think

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Speaker 4: he is saying all this stuff? And he did the

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Speaker 4: Google me that was one.

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Speaker 3: He grabbed the mic at the basketball game and did

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Speaker 3: the produce sucks and Michigan sucks, Stay sucks. And then

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Speaker 3: he also went to the Big Ten Championship here a

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Speaker 3: I want to see if he can walk, and that

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Speaker 7: A better program out there. The times have changed.

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Speaker 7: Don't know, Brian Hayes.

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Speaker 5: I would just like him to take a job somewhere

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Speaker 7: That dude's quotes.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking, boy, it sounds like it's something kind

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Speaker 7: And this is estimates.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, money will not be an issue. Indiana football

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Speaker 5: I thought Mark Cuban was broke when he gave big

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Speaker 4: Seven eight to the Cuban Center.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, already put all his money down there and in Bloomington.

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Speaker 7: How many times was he on TV before the game?

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Speaker 4: I game after the game?

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Speaker 7: That airtime? So keep cutting those checks.

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Speaker 2: Is he probably the most famous IU alum at this

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Speaker 7: Is he the most famous IU alum at this point

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Speaker 5: I will venture to say probably not. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Shark Tank, I don't know the I don't know the people.

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Speaker 2: There are many, many millions of Americans know them from

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Speaker 5: I just feel like someone's gonna like message us and say,

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Speaker 7: I want to sound like a clown. So I got

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Speaker 1: Man, man, it's good to be Mark Cuban these days.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I would certainly like to have to handle that those finances.

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Speaker 2: It's just about anybody to make a run in their

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Speaker 1: That would be fun.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's bitching about the Big Ten scheduling

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Speaker 3: every chance I get here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he said, I want to thank the Big tim

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Speaker 5: for giving us five of our first seven on the

445
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Speaker 5: road and giving us the team picked to win the

446
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Speaker 5: league on two days rest. I really want to thank

447
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Speaker 5: the Big Tim for that. This is after they beat Purdue,

448
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Speaker 5: and it's like, good lord man. I mean, everyone has

449
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Speaker 5: scheduling issues there every year. But he, yeah, he he's

450
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Speaker 5: a character. I'll say that.

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Speaker 3: Purdue Illinois a huge one coming up Saturday inside of Mackie,

452
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Speaker 3: and we're six days away from we're doing Indiana, which, again,

453
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Speaker 3: what a time to be alive in Bloomington when you

454
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Speaker 3: probably care more about when the spring football game is

455
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Speaker 3: versus when the next basketball game is.

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Speaker 1: Oh, how the tables have turned Kevin.

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Speaker 10: That works.

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Speaker 4: I mean, do you guys watch the start of that

459
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Speaker 4: game last night. It was rough. It was rough.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Tumber Devree's in the first ninety seconds that

461
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Speaker 3: game two thousand an air ball, and like, I get

462
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Speaker 3: Dusty May.

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Speaker 4: Obviously this is not his first year at Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Michigan's top five scores are all new, dudes, Like,

465
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Speaker 3: this is the day and age of college basketball. It's just,

466
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Speaker 3: you know, Purdue is the outlier so many of these programs.

467
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Speaker 3: It is just strictly, we will build virtually an entirely

468
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Speaker 3: new roster year in and year out. And yet you

469
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Speaker 3: look at Michigan right now, and you know they easily

470
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Speaker 3: could be playing here in the first week of April. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Indiana just got off to a horrific starlight. They had

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Speaker 3: one field goal in the first ten minutes of that game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been shocked at how honestly bad Tucker Devreese

474
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Speaker 5: has been for the majority of this season. I don't

475
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Speaker 5: want to say like he's awful before his standards, he

476
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Speaker 5: has not played.

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Speaker 7: To that level that we expect him to play at.

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Speaker 1: We got a loaded show for you coming up later

479
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Speaker 1: on today.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Holder going to join us at eight thirty, give

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Speaker 2: us his Miami perspective from going to the game this

482
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Speaker 2: past week, and also.

483
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Speaker 1: Talk about the National Football League.

484
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Speaker 2: Of course, we'll be giving you an opportunity to get

485
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Speaker 2: some memorabilia from the Indiana Hoosiers run. Give you some

486
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Speaker 2: information on how to get something that's really cool and

487
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Speaker 2: commemorative later on. Dave Dunn, as you pointed out earlier,

488
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Speaker 2: a former high school coach for Fernando Mendoza, going to

489
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Speaker 2: join us at nine o'clock. Rick Carlisle, head coach of

490
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Speaker 2: the Pacers at nine thirty, and then we'll even check

491
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Speaker 2: out the Indian night before the day is done as well.

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Speaker 2: A lot to do with it, oh Indy. Yeah, and

493
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun. They're looking to fill that building

494
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Speaker 2: up all year long this year. It's gonna be fun

495
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Speaker 2: out there. We'll tell you all about it as we

496
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Speaker 2: can continue in ninety three, five and one seven got

497
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Speaker 2: James moving once again. Mark, you should just give him

498
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Speaker 2: a playlist. I think you should develop a playlist for James.

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Speaker 2: Every time you play though, he starts grooving.

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Speaker 5: Mark, you're invited to the cookout, Yes, I've been Wae

501
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Speaker 5: don't cook. Just just come and come as you are.

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Speaker 1: How do you know he can't cook?

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Speaker 5: That ain't the point. It's a cultural difference. I know

504
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Speaker 5: you can cook, but just don't try, you know, with

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Speaker 5: my people.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't need to.

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Speaker 10: I don't need to try.

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Speaker 7: I will gladly accept any and all food.

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Speaker 10: I don't need to bring it.

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Speaker 7: Hey, there you go, bring the vibs in on good music.

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Speaker 2: Let's turn to the Payless Liquers hotline on this Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 2: We're one of our good friends. Steven Holder is on

513
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Speaker 2: the other end of the line. Steven of Miami grad

514
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Speaker 2: fresh off and appearance at the National Championship Game watching

515
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Speaker 2: a hard fought game that his team came up on

516
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Speaker 2: the losing in on. I did see before the game

517
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Speaker 2: you were holding up the U sign in front of

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Speaker 2: the stadium. So you got that going for you, Steve,

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Speaker 2: and you got that picture to take home.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look, we got some uh, we got

521
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Speaker 10: some some good Instagram posts out of it. So that's good,

522
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Speaker 10: by the way. Real quick to change the subject. But

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Speaker 10: I think that song that that Tupac track just there

524
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Speaker 10: I get around. I think that came out around the

525
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Speaker 10: time James parents met. Actually that's a funny little aside.

526
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Speaker 10: I remember because I was around at that time, not

527
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Speaker 10: getting around, but just around. But anyway, No, it was cool.

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Speaker 10: It was It was really cool. And I went to

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Speaker 10: my college friends, including my roommate in you know, some

530
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Speaker 10: of my like you know, your Day one friends who

531
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Speaker 10: like from freshman year, you know what I mean. We

532
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Speaker 10: all we all got together, four of us and went

533
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Speaker 10: and it was. It was amazing. I mean, you know,

534
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Speaker 10: it was completely unexpected. I mean, Miami was was expected

535
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Speaker 10: to be a decent team this year. Don't get me wrong,

536
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Speaker 10: but after losing two games, you're thinking, all right, well, uh,

537
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Speaker 10: you know, enjoy the Independence Bowl or something, you know,

538
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Speaker 10: and and then you end up getting in the playoffs

539
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Speaker 10: and then this happens. I mean it was. It was

540
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Speaker 10: really truly unexpected, you know, and I think that's what

541
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Speaker 10: made it, I think, even more enjoyable because you just

542
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Speaker 10: never saw it coming. So that part was really fun.

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Speaker 5: Again, we have Colts ESPN reporters Stephen Holder, aka the

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Speaker 5: Miami Loser here on the airwaves.

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Speaker 7: Cold cold, I will say this, at leasta to lose fifty, like.

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Speaker 10: High school did I win every day?

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Speaker 5: It's like you didn't give you know, fifty three points,

548
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 5: you know, was blanketed by you, like like like Illinois did.

549
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Speaker 5: But in all seriousness that last drive, what was going

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Speaker 5: through your head when you realize, okay, we got the

551
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Speaker 5: quote unquote stop, we needed to six point game one

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Speaker 5: drive to win it.

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Speaker 7: Are you could you?

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Speaker 10: Did you?

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Speaker 7: Did you watch it? Did you blink? Take me through

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Speaker 7: that emotion of that.

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Speaker 10: You know what's crazy? It's like in the second half

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Speaker 10: of that game. Well, yeah, I was in the second

559
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Speaker 10: half of that game. I was like, all right, I

560
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Speaker 10: could win this game. But I was I had no illusions.

561
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Speaker 10: I was like, they're probably not winning this game, you know,

562
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Speaker 10: because I think you just responded every time Miami made

563
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Speaker 10: a play, you know, especially the after the Fernando touchdown.

564
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Speaker 10: You're like, okay, like that's his moment right there, that

565
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Speaker 10: that's going to be the moment and you're probably not

566
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Speaker 10: going to be able to turn this momentum at this point,

567
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Speaker 10: right But they kept doing it. So I was like,

568
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Speaker 10: so that point, You're like, wait a minute, we could win.

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Speaker 10: It's like, I mean almost like the most basic response,

570
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Speaker 10: the most elementary response, But it hit us all of

571
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Speaker 10: a sudden, like, wait, they could win and then when

572
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Speaker 10: they had the when Indiana committed the late hit, it

573
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Speaker 10: was like, well, wait a minute, they haven't done that

574
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Speaker 10: kind of thing all night, and they finally gave us one,

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Speaker 10: you know, like not the reps, but Indiana made a mistake,

576
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Speaker 10: is what my point is, you know. And I was like,

577
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Speaker 10: Indiana hadn't helped Miami for the most part all night.

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Speaker 10: They had turned it over, they hadn't committed like the

579
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Speaker 10: fossly penalties. They hadn't done all those things that Miami

580
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Speaker 10: does all the time. That's frustrating. And I'm like, you

581
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Speaker 10: know what, this is what we needed, right, It's all

582
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Speaker 10: coming together. And so it's so funny though that that

583
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Speaker 10: interception was coming right toward me. I was down in

584
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Speaker 10: that corner of the end zone, so I saw the

585
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Speaker 10: whole thing play out, and I'm like, I'm like the

586
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Speaker 10: receiver the balls in the air forever, and I'm like,

587
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Speaker 10: why hasn't he looked back for the ball yet? So

588
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 10: it was just a cluster, man, But you know what

589
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 10: it was to even have that opportunity for that drive,

590
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Speaker 10: it was it was a hell of a moment. I

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Speaker 10: can't I can't lie.

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Speaker 5: Did you try to bat down the picks that you saw,

593
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Speaker 5: you were like, oh no, you know, Michael Irving both

594
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Speaker 5: jump into swade down the pick.

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Speaker 10: I died a little bit on that point. I can't lie.

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Speaker 3: Steven. Congrats to your Canes. It was a hell of

597
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: a game, certainly in a hell of a run. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think back to that final drive and I don't know,

599
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Speaker 3: maybe being in the stadium you don't fully realize it,

600
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Speaker 3: but you know, the three previous plays before that pick,

601
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Speaker 3: Miami was starting to move it a little bit, you know,

602
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Speaker 3: after the penalty, yeah, you know, they got the ball

603
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Speaker 3: into Tony's hands and they were past midfield. I thought

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Speaker 3: one of the sneaky moments was just Kurt Signetti taking

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Speaker 3: that final time out. You know, when you get into

606
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Speaker 3: those like Indo game drives, and you've seen many of

607
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Speaker 3: them covering the colts, you know, it just seems like

608
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Speaker 3: that pass rush can really tire out and even your

609
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Speaker 3: defensive backs I think can be a little panicky. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know what was said maybe in between the

611
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Speaker 3: two huddles there, but you know, the ability to regroup

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Speaker 3: breathe for Indiana, yes, it eliminated their final time out,

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Speaker 3: but I think that was kind of a sneaky, big

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Speaker 3: factor in whatever, just Indiana's defense, taking a breath reset.

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Speaker 3: Here's some coaching points, and then obviously the game ends

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Speaker 3: after that.

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Speaker 10: No, it's a great point because when he took the

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Speaker 10: time out, I was kind of like, huh, I don't

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Speaker 10: know if I'd have done that. I was, I know

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Speaker 10: why he did it. You know, were gassed, I'm sure

621
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Speaker 10: you know, but but it was all but it was

622
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Speaker 10: also not a no brain or either, you know, it

623
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Speaker 10: was it was like, all right, well that's that's aggressive.

624
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Speaker 10: We'll see how this works out, you know. And it

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00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 10: was actually a great move. And look he has made

626
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 10: he has pushed the right buttons all year. Just give

627
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Speaker 10: him credit, you know, his coach of the Year for

628
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Speaker 10: a reason, for lots of reasons. Right, But but that's

629
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Speaker 10: also an example. It's not just like building something and

630
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 10: putting a program together. It's also like, you know, in

631
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Speaker 10: those three hours on game day, you got to you

632
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 10: got to push the right buttons and and he has,

633
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Speaker 10: you know, so that's that's also a part of it too.

634
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 10: And I think you got to give that staff credit

635
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Speaker 10: for for those kinds of things. And and I just

636
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Speaker 10: would say this overall about Indiana, Like there's I don't

637
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 10: know if there's a more well coached team. I don't

638
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 10: know if they're the best coaches in terms of like

639
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 10: strategy and that kind of thing. I'm not talking about that.

640
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 10: There's lots of great coaches that call great plays and

641
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 10: those kinds of things. I'm not talking about that. I'm

642
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 10: talking about getting your team to do what they were

643
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 10: coached to do, to execute, to not grew up. They

644
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 10: give you nothing, you know what I mean, Like you

645
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 10: have to go beat them. They never beat themselves. And

646
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 10: it's so frustrating because especially in college football. As someone

647
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 10: who covers pro football, I love pro sports because the execution,

648
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 10: the ability, the talent, it's such at a high level. Right,

649
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 10: So you have high expectations in college football, basketball, whatever, Right,

650
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 10: I have expectations they're going to screw it up, you know,

651
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 10: because they're amateurs to some extent and their kids or

652
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 10: what have you. And Indiana they never do that. It's

653
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 10: just frustrating. As an opponent, I'm sure to have to

654
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 10: deal with that day in and day outing, down in

655
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Speaker 10: and down out. So they get a lot of credit

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Speaker 10: for that.

657
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: Steven, let's put Fanana Mendoza let's put the absolute manchild

658
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: that Ruben Bayin is to the side, the most realistic

659
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: player in that game on Monday night that you could

660
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: see fitting the Colts come draft time.

661
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 10: Hmm. On the Miami side, you said, I'll.

662
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: Let you go either, but yeah, I mean obviously Miami overall.

663
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 10: Okay, overall, I got you. Great question, man, Let's see,

664
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Speaker 10: I would probably say, mm hmmm. Linebacker comes to mind.

665
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 10: I think there were some really good linebackers in that game,

666
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 10: you know, and I think you could you could take

667
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 10: your pick, but I think when you have good linebacker play,

668
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 10: and there were some plays made by linebackers in that game,

669
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 10: it's something we haven't seen enough of, right, I mean,

670
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 10: we have seen, you know. I think back to like

671
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 10: Zaire Franklin making that play against the Chargers down the

672
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 10: down the scene in the end zone. Great play, right

673
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 10: I mean, But but we also didn't get enough of that,

674
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 10: you know, not nearly enough of that. And I think

675
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 10: if you have linebackers making plays when you have lacked it,

676
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 10: it can be such a boost to your defense in

677
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 10: the middle of the field. Was was either team really

678
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 10: having a ton of success in the middle middle of

679
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 10: the field, And maybe that's a product of the linebackers

680
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 10: having a good game. You know, I don't know. It's

681
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 10: just something to think about. I don't know. So I'm

682
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 10: not answering your question directly there, but those are my thoughts.

683
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 5: There always step in questions, Steven Holder. You're you're a

684
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 5: politics never seen one.

685
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 10: And I don't ask hard questions either apparent least I

686
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 10: don't know.

687
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: Well, no, you're you're supposed to change the direction of

688
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 5: a multi billion dollar franchise that you do not work for.

689
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 10: But you know, carth just never listens to me. I

690
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 10: just I just don't understand it. I just don't understand it.

691
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 5: But well, I will say this though on the Colts front,

692
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: sticking with that theme, Holder, when you look at free

693
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 5: agency beyond Daniel Jones.

694
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 7: And Alec Pearce, what other players.

695
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: Come to mind when you think of, Okay, this guy

696
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 5: needs to be staying or going.

697
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Speaker 10: Hmm, Well, I mean they don't have a I guess

698
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 10: they have. They have a decent list of this decently

699
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 10: long list of free agents, but it's not I don't

700
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 10: think it's necessarily like a franchise changing year for free

701
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 10: agency wise, I mean, I think Quitty pays one of

702
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 10: the bigger one of the bigger ones. Why am I

703
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 10: blanking on who the free agents are right now?

704
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 7: Quity pay Smith, Like, how much do you reload? I

705
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 7: guess is the question.

706
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Speaker 10: I don't. I don't know that it's gonna be like

707
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 10: you remember a couple of years ago. Yeah, two years

708
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 10: ago they had that huge classic free agents and Chris

709
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 10: Vaaler was like, everybody's getting signed, you know, and and

710
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 10: they did. They resigned just about everybody. If I'm if

711
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 10: I recall, and this will not be that, and and

712
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 10: frankly it shouldn't be. I think I think they need

713
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 10: to shake the roster up at least a little, not

714
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 10: just for the sake of shaking it up. That's not

715
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 10: what I'm saying. I'm saying because they need to progress, right.

716
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 10: I mean, if you if you haven't gotten it done,

717
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 10: you got to shake things up. So I anticipate that

718
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 10: there will be some hard decisions made in free agency,

719
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 10: you know, Like I mentioned Quitty Pay for example, I

720
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 10: think with Quitty Pay, I like Quitty Pays as a

721
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 10: piece of you, of your pass rush, but he's not

722
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 10: a premiere piece of that pass rush, right, so you

723
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 10: know it's for example, he goes out there and he

724
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 10: finds that there's aren't any takers for big money, and

725
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 10: he comes back and you get him cheap. Okay, great,

726
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 10: but you need to be you need to be augmenting

727
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 10: that pass rush in that front seven generally. So Nick Cross,

728
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 10: you mentioned him. He is a tricky one because I

729
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 10: think safeties are a position where you're probably not going

730
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 10: to allocate a lot of money, particularly after investing in

731
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 10: cambining them. I'm very interested to see if they are

732
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 10: willing to, you know, to go above their budgeted price

733
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 10: for Nick Cross. I think he's a very good player.

734
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 10: I think the argument for the Colts, this is just

735
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 10: me talking, The argument for the Colts conceivably could be well,

736
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 10: he's replaceable, right, I mean, because safety is just a

737
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 10: low value position. This is not me saying this, that's

738
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 10: the NFL says that, right, based on how they're paid. Frankly,

739
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 10: So I'll be interested to see. I think that's probably

740
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 10: the trickiest one in my book. You mentioned Braden Smith. Look,

741
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 10: he's he's had a great run, but they can replace him.

742
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 10: They do have options on the roster, So if he's

743
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 10: ready to move on, or if the money doesn't make

744
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 10: sense they have the ability to move on there too

745
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 10: as well.

746
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: Steven, thanks for a getting home safely. We always appreciate that.

747
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe we get a national championship rematch next year.

748
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: You can try again.

749
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 10: Hey, I'm here for it.

750
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: The body language of Fernando Menosa certainly was joyous on

751
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 3: Monday night.

752
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: Let's head to the payless Lickers hotline. We appreciated his time.

753
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: About a month more than a half ago, Dave done

754
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: the high school coach down there at Columbus High. We

755
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: heard a lot about this high school and saw a

756
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: lot of da've done. Honestly, over the last few weeks

757
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: and a few months. Coach Fernando Mendoza that he was

758
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: in the building on Monday night and he joins us now.

759
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Speaker 4: Coach. First off, thank you for the time.

760
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: Secondly, that had to be pretty darn cool watching Fernando

761
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: Mendoza get it done there on Monday.

762
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 10: So thanks for having me. Definitely was it was.

763
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Speaker 12: It was a surreal experience to be able to watch

764
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 12: him have such success on a national stage.

765
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 10: It was pretty neat, was.

766
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: The QB drawl in the playbook on fourth and five

767
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: at Columbus High.

768
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 12: It was He's much better running it.

769
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 10: Now, though.

770
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 5: Now I need to dig into the why is he

771
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 5: much better at Disney?

772
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 7: Did he not run straight or someday over the issues?

773
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 7: Back in the high school days he.

774
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Speaker 12: Was he was not as his body wasn't as filled

775
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 12: out as it is now. He's just a much better

776
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 12: runner now, he's definitely he's just gotten So that's probably

777
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 12: one of the things. He could always throw the football.

778
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 12: He was kind of a skinny and a little like

779
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 12: gangly is probably the best way to put it when

780
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 12: he was in high school, and just a much better

781
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 12: runner now more strong. He's got more strength in his

782
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 12: run game.

783
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: So I saw after the game his mother, Elsa was

784
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: talking about that run and she was like, well, I'll

785
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: have a conversation with him in remind he was on

786
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 5: a running back.

787
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 7: So did you ever get any any text from.

788
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 5: Mama Elsa like hey, my boy is you know, keep

789
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 5: him safe out there?

790
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 12: One hundred percent of the younger brother, So I got

791
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 12: because I coached both the brothers. Younger brother actually in

792
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 12: the state Chamers the game rush for one hundred and

793
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 12: sixty yards and won the game for us, and everybody

794
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 12: was happy except for the mom.

795
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: That is great that's the voice to Dave Done, the

796
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: head coach of Columbus High. Again we had him on

797
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: right for the Heisman Trophy ceremony. Dave, what was that

798
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: experience like for you to go up there and obviously

799
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: see Fernando win the Heisman?

800
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 12: You know, being from thee I grew up in the

801
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 12: Tri State area, so being from the northeast, be able

802
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 12: to get an opportunity to go home and see one

803
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 12: of your ex players win the most Priscie Just award

804
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 12: kind of in my backyard in the sport of football.

805
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 10: It's I was literally was a pinch yourself moment. You know.

806
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 12: Someone asked me, are you're going to go to the ceremony.

807
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 12: I'm like, heck, how many tries Heisman Trophy cannon our

808
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 12: winners do you think I'm going to coach?

809
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 10: Of course I'm going.

810
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: I think you mentioned this to us back a month

811
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: and a half ago, but I kind of want to

812
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: double back on it.

813
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 7: James.

814
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: You know I asked you about you know, his mother,

815
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: but you know his father as we've seen. You know,

816
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: he was a player there and you know him and

817
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: Mario Christobal on the same team, And I think you

818
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: mentioned to us back in December, how you felt like

819
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: your message always aligned with mister Mendoz's message, and that's typically,

820
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: you know, not always a given when it comes to

821
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: the parents of the kids that you coach. What was

822
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: that relationship like for you with Mendoza parents, it's.

823
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 12: Really especially the mom is an amazing person and the

824
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 12: dad and myself have the I think the same belief

825
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 12: and how football should be played. He is an offensive

826
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 12: lineman and I'm always a big, you know, tough this

827
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 12: win football games, and so there was no like hind

828
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 12: shoulder for him to lean on, is probably the best

829
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 12: way to put it. He was getting tough coaching here

830
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 12: and he got tough coaching at home, so I think hopefully,

831
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 12: I think in the long run it helped him out coach.

832
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 5: When you look at just the totality of the season,

833
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 5: how remarkable is it from your perspective, knowing that again,

834
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 5: you made the joke about I don't know how many

835
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 5: hidand Trophy winners I'm going to coach, but let alone

836
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: a heisand Trophy winner. But he led the first team

837
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 5: to go sixty and oh since he had eighteen hundreds

838
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 5: with Yale, so putting all the innswer perspective when you're

839
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 5: standing there after the game on the field, what's going

840
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 5: through your mind?

841
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 12: You know, it was really a testament of like how

842
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 12: hard he works. And I kept thinking like every time

843
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 12: he moved up a level or moved from one program

844
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 12: to the next, he just got better and helped elevate

845
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 12: that program. So in some ways it's not shocking because

846
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 12: that's what he's done. But this, you know, at the

847
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 12: end of the day, the Heisman Trophy going sixteen and oh,

848
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 12: winning a national championship in your own backyard against against

849
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 12: the school that you always wanted to go to, those

850
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 12: stars will probably never align ever.

851
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Dave Dunn, the head coach of Columbus High

852
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: and he's with us here on the Payless Slickers hot line.

853
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: You know that game, You know, I think it's probably

854
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: fair to say, like Indiana maybe didn't have their best stuff,

855
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: But coach, what can you say about you know, when

856
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: the game was on the line, it wasn't necessarily the

857
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: right arm of Mendoza that makes the play. It's the toughness,

858
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: the whereth all He described that play of like it

859
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 3: wasn't maybe the greatest look that they got pre snab,

860
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: but he knew he just had to kind of go

861
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: with it. Sometimes maybe what you drop up in the

862
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: x's and o's isn't exactly how it plays out. What

863
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: can you say about maybe him outside of again just

864
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: the great right arm of what he showed there in

865
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: that moment.

866
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 12: I think he's the type of young man that he's

867
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 12: gonna do whatever it takes for his team to win.

868
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 12: And he would be fine handing the ball off you know,

869
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 12: every play that drive if you know, obviously didn't play

870
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 12: out there, but if he hitted the ball, replay that

871
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 12: drive and somebody else scored a touchdown, he would have

872
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 12: the same reaction as he did after scoring and the

873
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 12: winning touchdown by himself. He's he's a very selfless young

874
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 12: man and a great teammate. I think we're talking about

875
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 12: the running game.

876
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 10: I think that literally is.

877
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 12: It's part of his game that is that has improved

878
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 12: a lot and has made him, you know, the special

879
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 12: player that he is today.

880
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: You got some yellow jacket gear in the closet now,

881
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: with Alberto seemingly heading there next year.

882
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 12: Well, I told him, I said, so does this mean

883
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 12: I get rid of the col gear that I got

884
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 12: from Fernando? The I you gear, I got from both

885
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 12: you guys. Now I got to I got to clean

886
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 12: out the closet again and go with the Georgia tech gear.

887
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 5: I don't know, you might be some Raiders gear here,

888
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 5: pretty soonds go away for Fernando.

889
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 10: True, that's true.

890
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 12: One of my best friends is a jets fan, and

891
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 12: he was he was hoping that the Jetskin Finago woman

892
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 12: doesn't look like it's going to happen.

893
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: No, they're gonna have to be giving up some precious

894
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: picks if they're going to climb above the Raiders. David, Oh,

895
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: it's been a crazy busy and we really appreciate your

896
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: time now a couple of times here throughout the season.

897
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: Seems like such a special special kid. Great great family,

898
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: and thanks for providing some insight on that.

899
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me, guys, I really appreciate it.

900
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 4: Lettend of the Palistikers Hotline. Right now again.

901
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: Pacer Celtics coming up tonight in Boston. The head coach

902
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: of the Pacers. We appreciate his time as a Rick

903
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: Carlile coach.

904
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: Good morning to you.

905
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 10: How you doing?

906
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 11: Okay, what's happening?

907
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: I should know? This is it? You guys do the

908
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 4: coaches pick All Star reserves. Is that correct?

909
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 11: Well, I don't know the exact formula, but it's one

910
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 11: of three parts. There's a player's vote, there's a fan vote,

911
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 11: and then there's the coaches vote. I don't know exactly

912
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 11: how much weight the coaches vote carries, but I think

913
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 11: it's pretty significant.

914
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 5: Rick, when you look at the season that Pascal Siakam

915
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 5: has had, I know you've talked about it here on

916
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 5: these airwaves quite a bit.

917
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 7: What makes him an All Star in your eyes?

918
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 10: Everything?

919
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 11: You know, just uh, the level of play, the leadership,

920
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 11: you know, the way the durability he plays every game.

921
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 11: And we held him out two games. There was a

922
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 11: game in Golden State, was second ed of a back

923
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 11: to back coming out of maybe Denver, and then, uh,

924
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 11: you know, the the second one was the was the

925
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 11: Detroit game, you know, coming out of the the New

926
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 11: New Orleans game at home. So you know, those are

927
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 11: the only two games he missed, and you know it

928
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 11: was a struggle to convince him to sit those games out.

929
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 11: But he's played a high level. I think he's hit

930
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 11: either four or five game winning shots, and he in

931
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 11: a season that's been you know, obviously very difficult with

932
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 11: you know, with the with the miss games and all that.

933
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 10: Kind of stuff.

934
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 11: So he's just you know, he's a he's an ultimate

935
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 11: professional and he's a great player.

936
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: Carlisle again, Pacers and Celtics coming up tonight at seven thirty, typic.

937
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: Hear it right here on the.

938
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: Fan Coach Ben mcmatherin out for tonight. You still expect

939
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: him to play at some point on this road trip.

940
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 10: It's possible.

941
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: When you look at I.

942
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: Want to say, I don't know if it was a

943
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: Philly game or if it was a game over the weekend,

944
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 3: but the TJ McConnell reaching three thousand assists off the bench,

945
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: I believe his second, just to Lou Williams to ever

946
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: accomplish that in the NBA. What is it about TJ's

947
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: makeup that has allowed him to, you know, have a

948
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 3: stat that obviously is defined in longevity.

949
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 11: Well, it's the longevity that's the starting point. I guess

950
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 11: the starting point is just who he is as a competitor,

951
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 11: which has got him on the floor. I think I've

952
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 11: told this story. You know, I heard this when I

953
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 11: got here that you know, when Nate mcnorman was a coach,

954
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 11: they had acquired TJ. And again with the other point

955
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 11: guard was it may have been Aaron Holliday or someone

956
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 11: someone else. I'm not exactly sure. But Nate had told

957
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 11: TJ before the first game, you know, that he wasn't

958
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 11: going to be in the rotation, but to you know,

959
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 11: but to stay ready and and all that kind of stuff.

960
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 11: And and then in the first game of the season,

961
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 11: you know, the other the other guy went in there first,

962
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 11: and then he ended up putting TJ in the game,

963
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 11: and TJ never relinquished the job after that, you know.

964
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 11: So he's been the backup point guard here for you know,

965
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 11: I don't even know what year he was acquired. I've

966
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 11: been here my fifth year, so I got to believe

967
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 11: it was at least two or three before that. So

968
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 11: it's seven or eight years, and you know, all that

969
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 11: all that time hasn't missed a lot of games, and

970
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 11: so you know, you run up, you run up some

971
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 11: some really significant numbers, and in this case, the number,

972
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 11: as he says, I think he's only a couple one

973
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 11: hundred assists away from catching lou Williams. So you know,

974
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 11: he has a very good chance to do that as well.

975
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 5: One more on TJ Rick from a conditioning standpoint, What

976
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 5: does that look like behind the scenes, Because when we

977
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 5: see the effort he plays with during his minutes, I

978
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 5: think sometimes me personally, I can take it for granted

979
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 5: and think that's just TJ. But that's also a lot

980
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 5: of work I would assume as well.

981
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 11: Well it is, and it's it's.

982
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 10: Year round stuff. You know, these guys now, back in.

983
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 11: The old days, old days meaning you know, I don't know, sixties, seventies,

984
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 11: maybe into the eighties, players use training camp to get

985
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 11: in shape. And now you know, players work out all

986
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 11: year round. Players are more durable in many ways. And

987
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 11: you know, guy guys committed a training camp in much

988
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 11: better condition than back in those days, and they come

989
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 11: in to you know, tune their game up to the

990
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 11: highest possible level. But the conditioning part of it, in

991
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 11: large part, you know, is has been taken care of.

992
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 11: So anyway, he takes great care of himself. You know,

993
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 11: our training staff is, you know, the best I've ever

994
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 11: been around, just in terms of staying on top of

995
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 11: all those kinds of things and keeping the lines of

996
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 11: communication open like all the time.

997
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 10: So we have a good situation here.

998
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: Pacer Celtics Tonight Pacers beat the Celtics last week. Jalen

999
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: Brown just named Eastern Conference All Star starter. Sounds like

1000
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: he's got a good chance to play coming up tonight.

1001
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 3: What have you seen from him specifically this season, Rick,

1002
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: and just the differences in you know, such an elite

1003
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: player when he is in the lineup for Boston.

1004
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 11: I mean you said, he's just he's a great player,

1005
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 11: and he came up on the injury report as probable

1006
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 11: for tonight, so I think it's pretty certain he's going

1007
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 11: to play. He's a big he's a really difficult matchup problem.

1008
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 11: He can play two, he can play three, he can

1009
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 11: play four, you know, and in a lot of ending

1010
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 11: game situations he's in there at five. So you know,

1011
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 11: you try to figure out, you know, how to match

1012
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 11: up with their team when they have all those skill

1013
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 11: guys out there, it's really difficult. So yeah, great player,

1014
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 11: and you know, matchup wise, tonight, it's it's going to

1015
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 11: be it'll be tough.

1016
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: This road trip.

1017
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: You guys have Oklahoma City coming up on Friday, obviously

1018
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: the second matchup, the final matchup with them here in

1019
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: the regular season. I think when we spoke with you,

1020
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: I forget at what point it was in the offseason.

1021
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: But you had mentioned to us that you went back

1022
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: and you watched Game seven, I believe right up until

1023
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: Tyres got injured. Did you ever go back and watch

1024
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: the rest of Game seven throughout the off season? I

1025
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 3: guess even in the rare season.

1026
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the thought?

1027
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 3: And I guess going back and watching the entire game.

1028
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 10: Well that.

1029
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 11: We you know, we're a different were much different team

1030
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 11: when Tyrese is there playing, and that's you know, that's

1031
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 11: really an obvious statement, but it was important to look

1032
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 11: at it and really hone in on the second half

1033
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 11: because that was what this year was going to look like.

1034
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 11: In large part.

1035
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 10: It was good.

1036
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 11: It was you know, educational, you know, certainly you know, uh, disappointing,

1037
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 11: you know, the third the third quarter we I think

1038
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 11: we lost the third quarter by thirteen or something like that,

1039
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 11: and that was that was kind of this divisive period

1040
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 11: that things you know were, uh, we're problematic. And then

1041
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 11: you know, Fourse we just you know, we kept battling

1042
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 11: and and we're hanging and hanging and hanging, and we

1043
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 11: just couldn't get close enough obviously, so you know, it's tough,

1044
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 11: but you know, this has been a challenging year, but

1045
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 11: there are many positives, you know. There. We have a

1046
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 11: lot of guys that are getting amazing opportunity to step

1047
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 11: into roles that are, you know, high level roles, high

1048
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 11: level of responsibility, high level of you know, everything. And

1049
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 11: these guys are are are experiencing growth. And you know, unfortunately,

1050
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 11: in many cases, growth doesn't happen unless there's pain, you know,

1051
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 11: and pain is for us. This year has been, uh

1052
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 11: has been the challenges that we've been up with, personnel

1053
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 11: being out, losing all that kind of stuff. But we're

1054
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 11: we're working very diligently to keep a positive vibe on

1055
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 11: things and to approach each game with a great attitude.

1056
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 11: And that's what we're gonna do tonight.

1057
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 7: Rick, last one from me.

1058
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 5: I know when we last spoke to you, you were

1059
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 5: talking about Kurt Signetti and how you love his saying

1060
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: of production over potential. I know you didn't get a

1061
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 5: chance to watch live the National Championship because you were

1062
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 5: coaching in your own right, But to see that group

1063
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 5: get it done, what kind of thoughts do you have

1064
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 5: about to turn around? He he being Kurt Signetti helped

1065
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 5: engineer down there in Bloomington.

1066
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 10: Well, you know the game.

1067
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 11: Our game was at seven you know, the National Championship

1068
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 11: game started at seven point thirty. I saw pretty much

1069
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 11: the whole second half because our game was over, and

1070
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 11: you know, because you know, you know, everybody's not everybody,

1071
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 11: but you know, you get TV on your phone and

1072
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 11: all that kind of stuff. You know, I saw the

1073
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 11: very everything in the second half, you know, and even

1074
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 11: saw the end of the game, and so, uh no,

1075
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 11: I saw it. And it's an absolutely remarkable story, a

1076
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 11: remarkable set of circumstances. You know, from a coaching perspective,

1077
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 11: you know, he has what appears to be a simple formula,

1078
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 11: but the level of execution is you know, it's it's

1079
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 11: it's spectacular, and so it's it's it's a it's a

1080
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 11: it's a remarkable set of circumstances. Congratulations to him, to

1081
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 11: the programs, everyone else, and I mean you think about it,

1082
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 11: you think about the way he came in and you know,

1083
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 11: the stuff with the press conference and Google me and

1084
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 11: all that kind of stuff. It's the it really, it

1085
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 11: really is kind of the coaching version of Babe Ruth

1086
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 11: calling his shot. You know, I don't know, I don't know.

1087
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Speaker 10: Any other way to put it.

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Speaker 11: I mean it's just us. It's it's amazing and uh,

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Speaker 11: you know, a lot of a lot of respect obviously.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's a great, great way to put it.

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Speaker 3: Certainly a mindset shift he felt was needed down there

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Speaker 3: and executed it quite publicly and quite impressively. Pacer Celtics

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Speaker 3: Tonight are coverage seven o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Seven thirty. Tip coach, thank you for the time on

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Speaker 4: a game day.

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Speaker 10: Take care, guys,