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Speaker 1: And now there's a lawsuit for ten billion dollars against

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Speaker 1: So I've always viewed Trump's contention with Fox to be like,

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Speaker 1: Tough would be about, hey, you put over this policy

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Speaker 1: No one believed the letter. You have to work for

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Speaker 1: MSNBC to think that there's some letter written by Trump

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Speaker 1: But I utilize the Wall Street Journal here for a

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Speaker 2: And what states are going to do.

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Speaker 1: So when you take a look at the One Big

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Speaker 1: the school choice opportunities that are grown from this where

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Speaker 2: And this comes from.

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Speaker 1: They've got a story going back to June of twenty

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Speaker 1: gives parents even more choice and levels of more affordability. Right,

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I said publicly that Congress took a

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Speaker 3: Why would why would Davin Newsom give in to school

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we would rather be to every single state.

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Speaker 3: It's going to put some pressure on these governors, There's

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Speaker 3: But here's also another reality of this bill. It's seventeen

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of opportunities. I do think though there's

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Speaker 1: Talking to Robert Enlo, President and CEO of Edschoyce dot org,

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Speaker 1: we have heard a bunch from this year from Randy

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Speaker 2: We have heard from Rebecca Pringle from.

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Speaker 1: The neat a lot of screaming, a lot of pushing

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Speaker 1: for ideological things and not necessarily education things. Where do

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Speaker 1: you think the state of education is now in regards

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Speaker 3: You know, here's the pause is. You know, I look

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Speaker 3: at things both ways positive. We have more choices than

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Speaker 3: ever before in America because of our work at ED Choice.

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Speaker 3: There are now almost half of all American children can

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Speaker 3: receive a scholarship to go to private schools in this country.

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Speaker 3: That's almost half of every school is so that's a lot.

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Speaker 3: We've also seen about one point three million children currently

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Speaker 3: more choices, more opportunities. Now that hasn't yet translated into

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Speaker 3: programs where school choice exists, public schools get better and

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Speaker 3: they get better faster. I can't wait to see what

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Speaker 3: happens when universal choice pauses public schools to have to

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Speaker 3: get better even faster. We don't have enough good education

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Speaker 3: right now. You know, you and I both know that

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Speaker 3: after American Voice can read on grate books. That's unacceptable

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Speaker 3: in America, and we've got to do something about it still,

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Speaker 3: but choice is definitely not getting in the way of

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Speaker 1: Robert Enlow, EdChoice dot Org, President, CEO of ed choice

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Speaker 1: dot Org.

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Speaker 2: Check it out for yourself, Robert, always a pleasure. More

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Speaker 2: coming up. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today,