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Speaker 1: All right, Grand Rising family, and thanks for making us

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Speaker 1: part of your morning ritual. Later, former FBI agent doctor

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Powers will analyze the attack on Iran. I'm also

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Speaker 1: conflicting reports coming out of that region. Doctor Powers will

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Speaker 1: also share how the so called sleeper sales operate and

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Speaker 1: should we be concerned. But before doctor Powers, researcher doctor

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Speaker 1: Cheryl of Rotchell. It's cause her efforts to ensure that

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Speaker 1: the Presidential House in Philly told the truth about slavery,

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Speaker 1: but mortality to get us started. The Haitian activist doctor

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Speaker 1: Judas Ard will join us. But first let's get Kevin

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Speaker 1: to open up these classroom doors. Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carol Nelson, my man, it's a Thursday morning,

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Speaker 2: the twelfth of March, and again I'm wondering where there's

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Speaker 2: the time go.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling, girl?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin Man, I'm still learning. Learned a

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Speaker 1: lot yester from brother Sadeka, and I'm gonna allot from

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Speaker 1: doctor Zaarda and the other rest of the folks this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, either you learn or you stagnate. And you know

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Speaker 2: stagnant water doesn't really help, So yeah, keep keep moving,

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Speaker 2: keep those cells growing in your mind intally there.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, if you don't, you know what else

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Speaker 1: happens right right?

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Speaker 3: Hey man, you notice all the excitement around here in

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Speaker 3: the building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all these people in the building this morning.

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Speaker 2: Right right, and it's all about the Saint Jude radiothon.

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Speaker 3: So allow me if you will, right please, So you.

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Speaker 2: dollars a month to help kids at Saint Jude facing cancer.

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Speaker 3: Put your gifts on a card even and you'll.

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Speaker 2: Get the New Music Gives shirt and they have a

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Speaker 2: Again that's one eight hundred for one one nine eight

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Speaker 2: nine eight. And they're still setting up the call center,

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Speaker 2: so it might be kind of early. So if you

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Speaker 1: Try will be announcing that that number, that phone number

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Speaker 1: throughout the morning as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we would like to let w O O

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Speaker 1: Like we're in a competition with the other stations here

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Speaker 1: at Radio one, so who can raise the most money. So,

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Speaker 1: so family, don't let us down.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna say, right, it's a friendly competition.

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Speaker 1: By a friendly competition.

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Speaker 2: Yet at the same time, you know, as we look

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Speaker 2: over at Francisco and the Latino station, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: like how they're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: To right, I can't count that and the guys beat us.

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Speaker 1: You know that'll be embarrassing. Family. You gotta help us

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Speaker 1: out right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know nothing about that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, but look, meanwhile, all prices jump despite the deal

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Speaker 2: to release record amounts of reserves, and so global oil

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Speaker 2: prices have risen again after three more cargo vessels were

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Speaker 2: Israel war with Iran and the Strait of Homews. You said,

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Speaker 2: a key waterway for energy shipments remains effectively closed over

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, first thought is the phrasing the Iran

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Speaker 1: usually the US and Iran, but they throw through Israel,

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Speaker 1: which most people have already figured out. That's part of

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, but the fact that they mentioned them. You know,

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Speaker 1: And also the air flane flights price is going to

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Speaker 3: Kevin, Well, the.

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Speaker 2: Report you mentioned was released by an Islamic Revolutionary Guard

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Speaker 2: So I guess Israel is in that area. And he says,

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Speaker 2: and the price of the all depends on regional security

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Speaker 1: And in the meantime, Kevin didn't Donald Trump said, the

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Speaker 2: One, yeah, he said, he said that the war is

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Speaker 2: practically complete. Wait, they're going to find that article again.

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Speaker 2: Now I reorganize my page.

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Speaker 1: Here, you're right. And for the family, Donald Trump says,

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Speaker 1: And he's been telling the Arabians they need they need

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Speaker 3: And uh. He was in Florida when he said that,

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Speaker 2: And he says Iran has no navy, no communications, they've

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Speaker 2: He says, if you look, they have nothing left. There's

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Speaker 1: And right, and Kevin, there was a report circulating at

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Speaker 1: So that's not true. But this is the report we're

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Speaker 2: Well, the President said the US could do a lot

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Speaker 2: and they better not try anything cute. What's going to

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Speaker 2: a John Wayne movie?

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Speaker 1: Here's a wrinkling that Kevin. The Russian supposedly are supplying

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Speaker 1: That's that's the report coming out. And they say, don't

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Speaker 1: not heard it. If you've anybody at this heard them

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Speaker 2: And he quoted I forgot who said it, John Paul Jones.

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Speaker 2: He said, we have only just begun to fight, and

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Speaker 2: no mercy in that. John Paul Jones is famous line. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: so far as seven Americans have died in combat and

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Speaker 3: Of those who died.

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Speaker 1: But but here's here's the thing, though, Kevin you mentioned

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Speaker 1: And you know why he was in Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: He run Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Right. Thomas Massey a Republican from Kentucky. He's one of

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Speaker 1: Epstein files. He's been he's been hard on Trump. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Trump labeled Representative Thomas Massey a nutjob and a disaster

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Speaker 2: excursion in Iran, and he says, Massey is dis loyal

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Speaker 3: How does the president do that?

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Speaker 2: You know, that's Trump's push to defend his economic record

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Speaker 2: moment for Republicans, even before the conflict with Iran rattled

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Speaker 2: energy markets. Yes, so he's expecting bigger paychecks, he says.

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Speaker 1: What else is going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, one last news story, and that is the thing

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Speaker 2: where the government is investigating new claims that DOGE misused

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Speaker 2: Social Security data. Apparently there's a whistleblower who is saying

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Speaker 2: that they're someone who downloaded on a thumb drive much

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Speaker 2: of the information about Social Security. Congressional democrats investigating access

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Speaker 2: the whistleblower alleged with an engineer at SSA claim to

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Speaker 2: have retained copies of sensitive databases, and they were first

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Speaker 2: reported by The Washington Post yesterday. Representative Robert Garcia of California,

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Speaker 2: the House of Oversight Committee's top democrat, called the allegations

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Speaker 2: And finally, in women's history today, let's talk about Mary Ellen,

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Speaker 4: And that was Mary Ellen pleasant all right, Thanks Kevin,

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Speaker 1: Raising call Wow, doctors, can you get closer to that phone. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's much better.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well I say good raising to you all. Thanks

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, you know what has happened. We

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Speaker 5: Know, Well, it has not gotten better. Can you copy me? Good?

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Speaker 5: Can you copy me?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well it hasn't gotten better except for that I'm

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Speaker 5: And if there are two run elections, just is basically

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Speaker 5: And as far as new event that happened in Haiti,

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Speaker 1: Physical family. The chaos is going on in Haiti didn't

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Speaker 5: Island, absolutely not. It's not the entire highland. However, because

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Speaker 5: But as far as kiding a big concerned or gain

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Speaker 1: And let me just remind the family. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: just start today. It started some time ago. After Haiti

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, the very first successful slave rebellion that actually very

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Speaker 1: And let me just remind the family base Haiti had

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Speaker 5: you will, sorry, and for an intervention. The French recognition

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Speaker 1: All right, let me driver in here, twenty eight minutes

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Speaker 1: How did it continue?

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Speaker 1: For people listening? So okay, that was back then, and

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Speaker 1: why hasn't it changed?

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Speaker 1: How did how did did the French install leaders or

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Speaker 5: We're talking money. So anytime we have sovereign I mean

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Speaker 5: talking about gangs. That's where he actually started. The gangs

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, we have a few people that are openly

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Speaker 5: for a while because it becomes a system, it's become

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Speaker 5: a belief and the more Haiti deals with gain violence.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people are convinced that it was better

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Speaker 5: under the Valier. And my point, my answer to those

443
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Speaker 5: who believe that all always is the same silence, silence

444
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Speaker 5: being peace. No, if you're being silent and you're not

445
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Speaker 5: happy and you're being killed in silence, it doesn't mean

446
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Speaker 5: that you're at peace. And that was the case under

447
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Speaker 5: the Varier. For the most part. People were crying, but

448
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 5: there were they had no voice to cry aloud. So, well,

449
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 5: was it better then or is it worse now? It's

450
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Speaker 5: hard to explain it. Bottom nineties the problems remained is

451
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Speaker 5: just that Haiti has not been allowed to govern itself

452
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Speaker 5: and that is the problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because people are talking about that, you have elections.

454
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Speaker 1: What's stopping the election? Is it the chaos just import

455
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Speaker 1: the princess stopping the elections? Or what is there a

456
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Speaker 1: hidden hand or something going on down in Haiti? Why

457
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Speaker 1: we don't have elections yet?

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Speaker 5: Well, there will be some sort of election soon. I

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Speaker 5: believe there will be election. And Number one, I take

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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister's mission is set for for that. But

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Speaker 5: now how how does it happen? And what will be?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 5: We will we want? It's a wait and see to

464
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Speaker 5: see the men who will lead these elections and the

465
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Speaker 5: model at which there it will be conducted will tell,

466
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Speaker 5: will tell if it will tell all, but election will

467
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Speaker 5: happen rather uh soon in.

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Speaker 1: Hate Yeah, I got a tweak question for a tweeter

469
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Speaker 1: want to know the Cuba ever helped Haiti? And the

470
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Speaker 1: tweter goes on to say Trump is squeezing the Cuban

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Speaker 1: people by withholding oil and people are suffering too. Isn't

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Speaker 1: the same thing that's being done to Haiti? What's what

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Speaker 1: they're doing to Cuba right now? The administration is that

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Speaker 1: is that simply what they did to Haiti? And and

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Speaker 1: the prior question was have the Cubans helped the Haitians.

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Speaker 5: Cuba, there are countries in the area have a lot

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Speaker 5: of respect for he is respected by certain nason belie

478
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Speaker 5: But as far as health, I believe that certain people

479
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Speaker 5: as very little help because he Cuba had it has

480
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Speaker 5: its own issues. I don't think they were able to

481
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Speaker 5: help the idiots in so many ways except for medically

482
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Speaker 5: some some student visa to go study medicine or so forth.

483
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Speaker 5: But basically, but rather other than that affect that that

484
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Speaker 5: the extent of their help.

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Speaker 1: Now, Haiti is part of character on the cab Caribbean region.

486
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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump has told them not to do business

487
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Speaker 1: with Cuba because Cuba has a health prograde where they

488
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Speaker 1: sent all over the world, not just to the Caribbean

489
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Speaker 1: and help me with their doctors and nurses and all

490
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Speaker 1: kinds of specialized physicians who travel the world and especially

491
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Speaker 1: to black countries and on the continent in the Caribbean.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's put a squeeze on on those smaller countries islands,

493
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Speaker 1: if you will, in the Caribean and they've they've expelled

494
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Speaker 1: the Haitian health health prograde, if that's what they call themselves.

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Speaker 1: Is this going on in Haiti with was Haiti one

496
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Speaker 1: of those countries that got got help from Cuba, you.

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Speaker 5: Know as far as medical medical help was well, of course, yeah,

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Speaker 5: HEDI get help from you know, ad a little support

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Speaker 5: from Venezuela. Uh. But by the way, a lot of

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Speaker 5: people have that part of money in their hand and

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Speaker 5: it's been a very big deal in Haiti. I think

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Speaker 5: they're former President Micheur Mantelly's administration has a lot uh

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Speaker 5: picture carry the money cave in so's there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of just gruntion happening four because of money that we're

505
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Speaker 5: given donation visis for development and they were packeted by

506
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Speaker 5: this multi is admisssion. Those are the time of help.

507
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Speaker 5: But as far as Haiti's Cuba relationship, I think it's

508
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Speaker 5: basically it's been diplomatically okay, but as far as support,

509
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Speaker 5: it's been minimal.

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Speaker 1: All right, all I thought there we got stepside to

511
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Speaker 1: get colored with the ladies Jews and we come back though,

512
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned oil, I keep hearing reports that they

513
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Speaker 1: find found oil reserves off the course of the different

514
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Speaker 1: parts ofver Haiti. Let us know if that is true

515
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Speaker 1: or that's just talk or somebody taking advantage of that

516
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Speaker 1: issue right there, and I'll let you explain that when

517
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Speaker 1: we get back. Family, you two can get in on

518
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Speaker 1: this conversation with that guess. His name is doctor Judis

519
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: art Is Haitian activists. We rely on him to keep

520
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: us updating what's going on in Haiti. You've got a question,

521
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

522
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Speaker 1: zero twenty eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone

523
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Speaker 1: calls after we take the news that's next and Grand

524
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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this

525
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Speaker 1: Thursday morning with our guest doctor Judissard, the doctor A

526
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Speaker 1: Zada is giving us an update what's going on in Haiti.

527
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Speaker 1: You want to get in on this discussion, to reach

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Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy

529
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Speaker 1: eight seventy six before we go back to doctor Azad, though,

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Speaker 1: I just want to remind you come up later this morning.

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Speaker 1: We're speak with former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers, and

532
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Speaker 1: also before doctor Powers, researcher doctor Cheryl L. Roch will

533
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Speaker 1: join us Tomorrow's Friday. We're gonna invite you to free

534
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: your mind. All that means you just think for yourself,

535
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: and you know you leave the talking points at home

536
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Speaker 1: and join us for another edition of Open PHLM Friday,

537
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Speaker 1: beginning promptly at six am Eastern time. And you know,

538
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: folks wait to the last minute and then they don't

539
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: get in, so please don't wait to the last minute.

540
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Speaker 1: We'll be live right here at six starting on in

541
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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV

542
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Speaker 1: on fourteen fifty w L Doctor Zard. Before we left

543
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Speaker 1: for the news, my question to you was that there

544
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Speaker 1: was talk about possibly of petroleum reserves found off the

545
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Speaker 1: coast of Haiti. Is that materialized or was that just

546
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Speaker 1: talk or somebody just blunt whistling Dixie.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're still thinking, I believe. Well, it depends for

548
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Speaker 5: you as and it's said that Haiti has all reserved

549
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Speaker 5: up to twenty three thousand bell as of twenty sixteen,

550
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Speaker 5: and that's that's dubious to say the least. But what

551
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Speaker 5: we know for a fact is that the administration of

552
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Speaker 5: John Veterinary s team did put commission together to investigate

553
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Speaker 5: whether there were or reserve in Haiti. And what we

554
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Speaker 5: noticed also is that that took so long after established

555
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 5: the person in charge of that was and had an

556
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Speaker 5: accident and then I and so so he took that

557
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: project with him that one. So nobody ever question said

558
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 5: whether Haiti has world everything else. It remain a speculation

559
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 5: at this point, but some people suggest that Haiti is

560
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 5: very close to not too far from both Cuba or

561
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Speaker 5: well or not in South America, but compared to sun

562
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Speaker 5: Or Oil and Cuba. An expert suggested that it Haiti

563
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Speaker 5: has an ocean compared to a pool of.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Interesting from the top. Yeah, doctors. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this though, because you mentioned John Bridge out of Steed,

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Speaker 1: and I got to ask you about the Congressional Black

567
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Speaker 1: Caucus during his when he was in office, the Congressional

568
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Speaker 1: Black Caucus was very involved in what's going on in Haiti.

569
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Speaker 1: No for a fact, Maxing Waters went down there and

570
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Speaker 1: dealing with Aris Steed and the rest of the caucuses

571
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Speaker 1: are involved. Are you seeing that involvement today with the

572
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Speaker 1: Congression Black Caucus of what's going on? Are they you know,

573
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Speaker 1: are they are they talking about Haiti on Capitol Hills?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: I doubt it. I think most people they have the fatigue,

576
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 5: they hated fatigue, and that's because there's so much happening

577
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 5: at Haiti to push put hand on it. Not to

578
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Speaker 5: defend anybody to say that they have done done it,

579
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Speaker 5: but I believe that Haitian have to somewhat somehow the

580
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Speaker 5: responsibility I'm talking about not talking about advergation. Uh actually

581
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Speaker 5: I was suffering talking about real politicians. Politicians people that

582
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Speaker 5: are action taking actions. So making money in Haiti. Haiti

583
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 5: has become a way for politicians to make money, and

584
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 5: that's absurd. It should be the other way around. So

585
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 5: when when foreigner people who born in Haiti and show

586
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Speaker 5: interest and and seeing it better Haiti, it takes go

587
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 5: straight to my art. It makes me feel very good

588
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 5: and I'm not our owne and this but at the

589
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 5: same the same in the order head, we also understand

590
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Speaker 5: that the change that we hope to see in Haiti

591
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: will come from Haitian and they have to step it up.

592
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Speaker 5: That's basically what we're working on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, fetching away from the time doctor Desi, we

594
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Speaker 1: we had Haiti had some entertainers get involved run for office.

595
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Speaker 1: We had white Cliff Jean, people know him from the Foujis.

596
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Speaker 1: And also he had Martel Martel, Marliny Martelli. He's was

597
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Speaker 1: was he elected or did he actually run?

598
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Speaker 5: While he ran and won, he actually got elected president

599
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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, Look, gentlemen, is not I mean

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Speaker 5: it was a very good musician. Martelli was a good musician,

601
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Speaker 5: a very talented musician, but a very uh it's not

602
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Speaker 5: a good politician at all. It's actually it's under Martelli's

603
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 5: watch that king went spiral. The situation that went spiral

604
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Speaker 5: and he and passing on to Jovenils and things got

605
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Speaker 5: out of hand under a job there, so the movement

606
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Speaker 5: and let alone, let alone, Carl, it's under this man.

607
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Speaker 5: Maybe Misha Malteli ran under the scan of scanned head scanhead.

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Speaker 5: That was the party's name, head skinned ahead, that was

609
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Speaker 5: the name of his body. I don't know how to

610
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Speaker 5: get away with that, but yeah, that.

611
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Speaker 1: What does he does he know that the historical reference

612
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Speaker 1: to the skinheads? Does he know what happened in the

613
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Speaker 1: UK with the skinheads? Or is that too far away

614
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Speaker 1: from it?

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Speaker 5: Was easy. I'm not sure if he's aware. I'm not

616
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Speaker 5: sure if the guy's book literated enough, but I know

617
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Speaker 5: he's Uh. He was a very popular musician. He got

618
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Speaker 5: away with it easily because if you ball headed someone

619
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Speaker 5: is have no hair. In the Creole word for that

620
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Speaker 5: is that kalaid, which is skinhead, So he's if it's

621
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Speaker 5: this category is so. I think he was easy to

622
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Speaker 5: just portray put at his on head and say that

623
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Speaker 5: and get away with it. But surprisingly people living in

624
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Speaker 5: Haiti or those around just I mean just didn't even

625
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 5: question that as to what would you call your party that?

626
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 5: And hate doesn't make sense, but he won election and

627
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Speaker 5: round the country. Actually subsequently past his party actually won

628
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Speaker 5: election again and he belongs the same party. So it's

629
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Speaker 5: mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: So basically, yeah, yeah, I understand from from where you said.

631
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Speaker 1: It's mind bogged then, you know. For for you know,

632
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Speaker 1: we've talked about pop star if you will, because the

633
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Speaker 1: music is compa, that's Haitian music. That's that's the that's

634
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Speaker 1: what it's called compa and he's one of the biggest

635
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Speaker 1: Kompa stars over there. People who follow black music no

636
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Speaker 1: know about compat music. Yeah, because it's all all the same.

637
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Speaker 1: All the music is. We've got different names a slightly

638
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: different people. There's there's but there's a thread that runs

639
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: through it from Africa with a drum and and that's

640
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: the baseline through it and that's it runs it all

641
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Speaker 1: on music and those music music guys who you know,

642
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Speaker 1: listen to the different kinds of music will know. But

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this though. Last time we talked,

644
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Speaker 1: we talked about in port A Prince with some of

645
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Speaker 1: these gangs. They have their five tombs, they're taking them

646
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Speaker 1: sections of the city and we talked about one called

647
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Speaker 1: Bobby Cue and he likes to present himself and he

648
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Speaker 1: wanted to come on the program, but he says he's

649
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Speaker 1: he's English is not proficient enough and he didn't want to.

650
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: What he said would be translated and misinterpreted. But he

651
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: says he's a kind of he's a robbin hood. He's

652
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Speaker 1: taking money from the people who are trying to destroy

653
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Speaker 1: Haiti and give me to the poor people in Haiti.

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Speaker 1: Is there any truth to that?

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Speaker 5: No, that's not true. That's they couldn't be further than

656
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Speaker 5: the truth. Gentlemen, if you were if someone was helping

657
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Speaker 5: his neighbors or her neighbors so that it's it wouldn't

658
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Speaker 5: be that bad. You wouldn't know, You wouldn't know he

659
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Speaker 5: would be the next John and I state that would

660
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Speaker 5: claim him to be the next president. That would have

661
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Speaker 5: been a case all the way around. This man is

662
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Speaker 5: actually killing his neighbors. Young ladies, young women are being

663
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Speaker 5: it's actually abused under his watch a certain case. He's

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Speaker 5: the perpetrator, so and killing them random out of their house.

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Speaker 5: Neighborhoods are empty because of him. That doesn't sound like

666
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Speaker 5: a friend. Sounds like an oppressor to me. Sounds like

667
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Speaker 5: an oppressor. Sounds like a sounds like a gang a

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Speaker 5: FuG That's basically it. But getting to the technical technicality

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Speaker 5: of it, is he taking money from someone. Initially probably

670
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Speaker 5: was the case, but somewhat somehow he feels very comfortable

671
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Speaker 5: being the leader of that Lives Together movement, that united

672
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Speaker 5: unites so many games leaders and so he's the leader,

673
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Speaker 5: he's the ring leader of that group.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, let me jump in here. But they've the

675
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Speaker 1: the State department has put a boundary on his head.

676
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Speaker 1: Was it a million dollars or something in that area?

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Speaker 5: Nobody that's uh that again that again the department once

678
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Speaker 5: wants someone that would get that, they would have gotten

679
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Speaker 5: them if they wanted, if they really needed. And by

680
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Speaker 5: the way, it's been reported that uh Dron has had

681
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Speaker 5: killed around a thousand Haitian in the past three months

682
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Speaker 5: and Haiti and looking, I mean that's from the cool

683
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Speaker 5: black Water Minitaire militia and also the national police. The

684
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Speaker 5: human rights are groups around Haiti or the Caribbean have

685
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Speaker 5: been complaining that people are getting killed in collateral damages.

686
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Speaker 5: But uh, that's what's taking place. They're all trying to

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Speaker 5: get to him.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But so you're saying Blackwater's in Haiti they're still in Haiti.

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Speaker 1: If Blackwater's in Haiti, doctor, somebody's writing the check for them.

691
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Speaker 1: Do we know who's writing the check for Blackwater one?

692
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Speaker 1: And who's Hey, Haiti doesn't manufacture any guns and weapons.

693
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Who's who's who's buying the guns and sending them to

694
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Speaker 1: the island.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that that's been in a multi billion billion questions.

696
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Speaker 5: And the guns and all over Haity or American made guns.

697
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Speaker 5: That's just the truth. As far as who's transporting them,

698
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Speaker 5: who's uh making sure that they reached the hint of

699
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 5: the killers or the the oppress the people that's are

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Speaker 5: making it difficult to live in Haiti. Not sure who's

701
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Speaker 5: doing that. A few people have been arrested, but it's

702
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Speaker 5: quelling it. They can put an end to it. Is

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Speaker 5: a forage. Ah, It's not something that we see community

704
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Speaker 5: times soon unless we conduct election of the country and

705
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Speaker 5: elected good a serious president, an administration that will take

706
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Speaker 5: care and take the country where the lugs and that

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Speaker 5: is a peaceful community.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold up thought right there. We got to

709
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Speaker 1: check the traffic and weather in our different cities. But

710
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Speaker 1: this is intriguing about black Rock dropping drones because obviously

711
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Speaker 1: some we got to follow the money and we got

712
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Speaker 1: to find out why Black Rock is in Haiti. Who's

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Speaker 1: paying them?

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Speaker 6: On?

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Speaker 1: What side are they on? Is this too early an investigation.

716
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Speaker 1: I'll let you respond when we get back from checking

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Speaker 1: the traffic and weather in our different cities. But is

718
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Speaker 1: this too early to figure out why Black Rock is

719
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Speaker 1: in Haiti? Family, you two can get in on this

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Speaker 1: discussion with our guest doctor Judis on he's a Haitian activist.

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Speaker 1: Give us an update what's going on in Haiti. You

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Speaker 1: know how to reach us eight hundred and four or

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone

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Speaker 1: calls after we check the traffic and weather in our

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Speaker 1: different cities. That's next and Grant Rising family, thanks for

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Speaker 1: waking up with us on this Thursday morning. Our guest

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Speaker 1: doctor Judasar, doctor Zara's activist in the Haitian community, keepsus

728
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Speaker 1: up to date what's going on in Haiti, and I

729
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: keep in minding a family that you know, it's only

730
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Speaker 1: a boat ride difference. You know our answers who they

731
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Speaker 1: all made the same trip with us on different ships

732
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Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, some stopped to Brazil, some stopped

733
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Speaker 1: probably in Panama, Jamaica, Trinidad, some stop in Virginia, some

734
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Speaker 1: stopped in Florida, and some stopped in Haiti. This with

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Speaker 1: doctor Judi's odds for folks from so we're all related

736
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Speaker 1: in some some form of fashion. But doctor Zard just

737
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Speaker 1: told me before I left about black Rock and those

738
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Speaker 1: folks who follow this programinum are about black Rock and

739
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Speaker 1: now they're involved in Haiti uh and dropping drones. So

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Speaker 1: my question to you, doctor's art, who benefits from the

741
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: chaos in in in Haiti?

742
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Speaker 5: Well, anytime you have, anytime you have a situations spiral

743
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Speaker 5: situation like that, well unfortunately, uh, some will benefit and

744
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 5: those who sell arm oh takes care security uh around

745
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 5: especially international behind international waters would benefit from that this

746
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 5: kind of situation. And I believe that's what's happening with

747
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Speaker 5: the both mentioned name and so basically they've been in

748
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Speaker 5: Haiti since it does since last I think this March

749
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Speaker 5: marked a year budstone or point if you wish that

750
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Speaker 5: the black Water what Water worldwide has been in Haiti

751
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 5: was paying them as you mentioned earlier, is the Haitian

752
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 5: government actually made that. As far as how the contract

753
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Speaker 5: is made is just, I mean it was written under

754
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Speaker 5: what what are the details of the contract? It's undisclosed

755
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 5: or we know is that at least one hundred and

756
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Speaker 5: fifty members of that military military Gruben Haiti. So my

757
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 5: only question to this though, is this, I know that

758
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Speaker 5: to this kind of movements to have a core like that,

759
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Speaker 5: a group like that, they only operate in ours on

760
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Speaker 5: one day. So this one looks to me like it's

761
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 5: like prolonged. It's like it's been a year since they've

762
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Speaker 5: been working, and so far, I'll be honest with you,

763
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Speaker 5: they've been not successful. Because the point was to identify

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Speaker 5: the gangs for those drones and affect them wherever they are.

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Speaker 5: What we're seeing is that is people or even or

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Speaker 5: perhaps if they attack any gang, it's probably the lucky's

767
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Speaker 5: not the leaders of the of the so called gang members.

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Speaker 5: So that again that's more questions than answers supposibly benefiting

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Speaker 5: from it.

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Speaker 1: Now we have an idea, gotcha, doctor, got to let

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Speaker 1: you go before we do though, are you on are

772
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: you on any social media? How can folks follow what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Haiti?

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00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 5: Well, we do have we do, we do have WhatsApp.

775
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 5: We do have a WhatsApp channel that people can follow

776
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 5: it on WhatsApp basically and you can find it on

777
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 5: your day. It's called mb l H. That's the movement.

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00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: That's the political body that I don't to and we

779
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 5: have that and we share whatever that's happening in Haiti.

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00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: And then also UH with SAD to be important for

781
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 5: people to know, all right and keep us in the lusion. Absolutely,

782
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Speaker 5: we'll certainly do it. I appreciate you for keeping to

783
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 5: shedding the light of the heat after all, thank you

784
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 5: so much.

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Speaker 1: And one more time that that that WhatsApp channel that

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Speaker 1: you guys have, it's m.

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Speaker 7: D l h r H.

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Speaker 5: That's the party as the party, there's the political body

789
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Speaker 5: that the prolom all right.

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00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: Is that party based in Haitio or just stateside.

791
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 5: No, we're based on Patrol vill Haity. We're based on Haiti,

792
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 5: but we are all over the dace for recount right now,

793
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 5: four hundred and fifty members around Haiti alone, So we're

794
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 5: going as a movement. Were well liked for our leaders,

795
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 5: leader by our leader and ours, doctor Moyes d'orche and

796
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 5: he is well liked and he so we'll work in

797
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 5: towards UH enlightened and bringing lights and also shedding some

798
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 5: change that we wish to see Haiti. We will bring

799
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Speaker 5: about that change a lout if we've got if God,

800
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Speaker 5: if the election is conduct election is conducted property, we

801
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 5: should be able to contribute to the to the movement

802
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 5: of Haiti.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you doctors again, keep us in the

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Speaker 1: little bit of any changes. Let us know.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, let's dot to Judisard. He's a state side,

808
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: but he keeps us up on. He's got his fingers

809
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Speaker 1: on the pulse of what's going on in this country Haiti.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring in. Oh, Kevin, you know what I just

811
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Speaker 1: got to know from the press was listening to the

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Speaker 1: traffic and whether I think Jamie Whitner was doing she said, snowflakes. Later,

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Speaker 1: I know from You're right, they got no from one

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Speaker 1: of our LA listener says, yeah, we're going to get

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Speaker 1: ninety degrees. How about that? Well than the weather though,

816
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Speaker 1: we got something else going out around the station this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: feel us in.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's our Saint Jude Radiothon where you can become

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Speaker 2: a partner in hope by pledging just nineteen dollars a

820
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Speaker 2: month to help kids at Saint Jude facing cancer, and

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Speaker 2: you may have seen that on television time or two.

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Speaker 2: But we are offering you an opportunity to give today.

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Speaker 2: And you know, as often you give, you just feel

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Speaker 2: so good. And seeing these young children facing cancer sometimes

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Speaker 2: can be heart rendering, and Carlic can just you know,

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Speaker 2: make you feel sad sometimes. And so you can become

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Speaker 2: a partner in Hope by pledging just nineteen dollars a

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Speaker 2: month to help the kids.

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Speaker 3: At Saint Jude facing cancer.

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Speaker 2: And Saint Jude takes care of everything, the families living quarters,

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Speaker 2: their food, the cost of these different advancements that it takes,

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Speaker 2: and everything is handled, and just for nineteen dollars a month,

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Speaker 2: you can be a part of that.

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Speaker 3: And if you put your gift on.

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Speaker 2: A card, you'll get the new Music Gives shirt and

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Speaker 2: nine eight again if you're just getting your pencil and paper,

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Speaker 2: one eight hundred four one one nine eight nine eight.

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Speaker 3: Become a partner and Hope today, right.

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Speaker 1: And we've got a friendly rivalry going on with our

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Speaker 1: other stations here here from Washington, So family, don't let

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Speaker 1: us down. Now, we got some new guys on the

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Speaker 1: blog as well, and we don't we don't want them

845
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Speaker 1: to donate more than we do because then this happens

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Speaker 1: that we do this once a year. So again it's

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Speaker 1: only twelve bucks, you know. Give that phone number again, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: That number is one eight hundred for one one nine

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Speaker 2: eight nine eight, one eight hundred for one one nine

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Speaker 2: eight nine eight again one eight hundred for one one

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Speaker 2: nine eight nine eight.

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Speaker 3: They're still setting up.

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Speaker 2: The call centers, so if you don't reach them right away,

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Speaker 2: call back one eight hundred one one nine eight nine eight.

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Speaker 3: Become a partner in Hope today.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Kevin. Eight Half the Top da Alice

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Speaker 1: Bringing on next guest, doctor Cheryl Laroach, Doctor Laroach, Grand Rising,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to to the program.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for having me back. It's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's always great to talk to you. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Roach and family. Doctor Roach is a researcher and well,

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00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: she was working on the last project she was working well,

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Speaker 1: she's working on several projects, but this wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about her plans to ensure that the President's House in

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia told the truth about slavery. But first, doctor Larroch,

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Speaker 1: you got to educate us about the President's House in

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Speaker 1: Philly because we always thought the President's house was in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: So give us a little civics a message here before

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Speaker 1: we get started.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we're in great need of a civics lesson.

871
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Speaker 8: So the President's House is in Philadelphia, and people don't

872
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 8: really realize that New York, of course, was the first

873
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 8: capital of the United States at the end of the

874
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 8: American Revolution. Philadelphia is the second capital, in Washington, DC

875
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 8: is the third. So between seventeen ninety and seventeen ninety seven,

876
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 8: George Washington was the sitting President of the United States

877
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 8: in Philadelphia. That's fact one. But the other thing that

878
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 8: we didn't really learn for quite some time is that

879
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 8: while he was the President of the United States, he

880
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 8: kept nine people enslaved illegally at the President's House. And

881
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 8: when the excavation was let me set the tone for

882
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 8: where the President's House is first, so that we really

883
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 8: know in time and space. I'm a mapper, I'm a

884
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 8: geography person.

885
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 9: So the President's House sits at sixth.

886
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 8: And Market Street in downtown Philadelphia, right down the street

887
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 8: from other Bethel across the street from the Constitution Center,

888
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 8: but more importantly in front of Independent Hall and the

889
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 8: Liberty Bell Center. And when the Liberty Bell Center, the

890
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 8: Liberty Bill was being moved and there was excavation taking

891
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 8: place for the moval of the Liberty Bell Center, what

892
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 8: we got was an understanding that while they were doing

893
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 8: the excavation, they knew that they were looking at in

894
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 8: quarters when slave people would have lived. And I think

895
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 8: that revelation it was sort of the first time Philadelphia

896
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 8: really looked at some of the sort of aspects of

897
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 8: labor in that city. And here we had this contradiction.

898
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 8: If you're going to walk into the Liberty Build, this

899
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 8: symbol of liberty, and you're going to walk over to

900
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 8: this day what would have been the slavesgoads for the

901
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 8: people that were enslaved by George Washington. But that was

902
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 8: the beginning, that revelation, that understanding was the beginning of

903
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 8: the entire project around the President's House site in Philadelphia.

904
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 8: That's how we began. The people in Philadelphia, the city,

905
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 8: the congressmen, all of the community leaders, the scholars came

906
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 8: together and said, wait a minute, we really need to

907
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 8: understand this place, we really need to look at this site.

908
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 8: They came together and really started to put and really

909
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 8: started to say, please, let's take a look at what

910
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 8: is happening archaeologically. And that's how the site got started

911
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 8: in terms of its first you know, sort of rumblings

912
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 8: inside of the popular imagination. Its first consuming to the

913
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 8: attention of the city, to the officials. John Street gave money,

914
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 8: the various congressmen gave money to really start to have

915
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 8: this archaeological excavation that we're talking about here.

916
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm answering this question though, doctor l Roach, twelve minutes

917
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: after the time they are did the Washington did did

918
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: George Washington? Did they have slaves? If so, how many

919
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: did his wife have slaves? And this is the reason

920
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: why many black people last names of Washington. Is there

921
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: a connection there or am I stretching too far?

922
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 8: Well, there's always the speculation that George Washington never had

923
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 8: any direct descendants, and so the name Washington, however, really

924
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 8: resonates with people, and people pick names and see all

925
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 8: along that they choose names. I can't really say that

926
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 8: that came from him being a descendant.

927
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 9: Of George Washington.

928
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 8: But Washington, first of all, yes, George Washington was a

929
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 8: holder of many enslaved people at Mount Vernon in Virginia,

930
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 8: right across the you know where for people in the DMZ,

931
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 8: it's not very far. You go down the end of

932
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 8: George Washington Parkway and at the end of the George

933
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 8: Washington Parkway is Mount Vernon. At Mount Vernon, he George

934
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 8: and his wife Martha enslaved hundreds of people. Martha probably

935
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 8: had about three hundreds. She was the richest widow in

936
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 8: the colony at the time that Washington married her. She

937
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 8: bought the assets, not him. She bought the assets to

938
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 8: that marriage. So when you think about the there's so

939
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 8: many conflicting things going on here carbon because on the

940
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 8: one hand, we know that some of the largest slaveholders

941
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 8: in the country at the time are also running the country,

942
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 8: and so there's a conflict of interest already. Of course

943
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 8: you're going to support, you're going to be interested in

944
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 8: the practice of enslavement because it's making you rich. So

945
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 8: there's that conflict, and you also see them you know

946
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 8: that the laws that are being passed are also sort

947
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 8: of reflecting that. So, yes, George and author are both

948
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 8: slaveholders in the hundreds, and George about one hundred marks

949
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 8: about three, so they're in the hundreds in terms of

950
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 8: how many people we're talking about. But in Philadelphia, George

951
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 8: brings nine I should say President Washington brings nine people

952
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 8: with him, some of whom are not enslayed by him

953
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 8: but by his wife. They're called Gower the ow E R.

954
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 8: Dower Pray. These are the people that are inside of

955
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 8: her estate.

956
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 5: So you need to think of it like we.

957
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 8: Think of financial instruments today, that these folks are held

958
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 8: in trust, they're being inherited. I mean, they are these

959
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 8: human bodies, These people, these these human beings are being

960
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 8: treated not just by chattel, which is what we always

961
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 8: say chattel's wavery like a beast of burden, but also

962
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 8: that they are these instruments of wealth. They're being put

963
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 8: up for collateral. They're being held and traded with. You know,

964
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 8: these human beings are being sold. All of this is

965
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 8: at the foundation of this country. And so when you

966
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 8: start to think about the really deep conversations you can

967
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 8: have about the president's house and about what's going on

968
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 8: in the country at the start of this country even before,

969
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 8: but you know, we're coming up on Americas through fifty,

970
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 8: so we'll talk about just the put the pin in

971
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 8: the map at the start of the country.

972
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 10: This what is?

973
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 8: This is what's holding the country.

974
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: Up right now? Left though, right there, doctor Laroche, we

975
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: gotta step aside for a few months. When we come back,

976
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought. But also tell us

977
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: how they came up with our enslaved ancestors. There's three fifths.

978
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: How did that? Where did that number come from? Why

979
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: not half? For two thirds?

980
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 7: You know?

981
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, we talk about that.

982
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, share that with a family, all right. Family, As

983
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 1: I mentioned, we got to step aside for a few moments.

984
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: You want to get in on this conversation. Researcher, doctor

985
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: Cheryl l. Roach, reach out to us at eight hundred

986
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

987
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: take your phone calls.

988
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: Next.

989
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: Did to make the challenge? Tell to you and we're

990
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: on it, you know, so listen, family. As Kevin mentioned,

991
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: it's a little friendly arrival with our stations here or

992
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: Radio one. We all want to come up on the rear,

993
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: so we got to beat the other stations. So you know,

994
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: make that donation twelve bucks and we'll be doing it

995
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: all morning long. Held the chill in the Saint Jud's

996
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: and we just got to beat We just got to

997
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: beat the other station, especially the new station. That camera

998
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: came along, family, So don't let us down. Twenty minutes

999
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: off the top of the hour, though, I guess it's

1000
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: doctor Cheryl l Roach, Doctor Laroache. We're talking about what's

1001
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: the what's the happening in the Presidential House? The first

1002
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: presidential House in Philadelphia or the second one? Could you

1003
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: said it was in New York? But doctor Leroche, the

1004
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: question is, how do they come up with fund the discussion?

1005
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: How they come up with three fifths our answertors? How

1006
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: did they come up with that number? That precise number.

1007
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: Why isn't it we are enslaved answers were half or

1008
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: or you know, one fifth or whatever. How do they

1009
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: come up with that number? That's my question.

1010
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 8: This is a murky conversation, and I'm going to try

1011
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 8: to keep it simple, which is not easy. So when

1012
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 8: we think about Congress and the House of Representatives, we

1013
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 8: know that the House of Representatives is based on population apportionment.

1014
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 8: How many people live where you live. You get so

1015
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 8: many representatives based on your population. The Senate is different.

1016
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 8: You just get two senators, so you have this kind

1017
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 8: of balancing act going on. The South, of course, wanted

1018
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 8: to count all enslaved people because they were going to

1019
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 8: get more representatives. I'm just breaking this down in the

1020
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 8: sort of simplest terms, and you know that the North

1021
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 8: is saying, no, you can't do that, because you're going

1022
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 8: to overwhelm us with representation in the Suns until we

1023
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 8: don't want that. So the fight where they actually came

1024
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 8: up with the number three fifths is difficult to really

1025
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 8: suck out, but you know that this is what they compromise.

1026
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 8: Whenever you see call, whenever you see the word compromise,

1027
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 8: you know somebody's getting screwed. And the three this compromise

1028
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 8: was the compromise between the North and the South. It's

1029
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 8: not so many that the South gets to overwhelm the North,

1030
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 8: and it's not so few that the North gets to

1031
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 8: overwhelm the South. And so they finally come up with

1032
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 8: that number as what they think is the fair representatives

1033
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 8: of how you can count enslave people but not all

1034
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 8: of them, and count but not too many, so that

1035
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 8: there's a balance in the House of Representatives. And if

1036
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 8: you want to frankly, if you want to sort of

1037
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 8: looking at what's going on with jerry mandering right now

1038
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 8: and how they're redrawing the line. There's always this fight

1039
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 8: about how we're going to get representation by our government,

1040
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 8: and that's what the Three Fish compromises and the way

1041
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 8: the formula, how they did it has never been absolutely clear.

1042
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 8: That lots of things go on in the back room

1043
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 8: that you don't quite understand, and that's one of them.

1044
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 8: But that's where it comes from. It's all about population apportionments.

1045
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 8: It's going on again from the very beginning. This is

1046
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 8: nothing new. Anytime somebody talks to me about what's going on,

1047
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 8: I've taken back one hundred years. I mean, this is

1048
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 8: the genesis of the fight over who gets represented in Congress.

1049
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: Right, and let's bring it up to today today, now,

1050
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: doctor Laroche, what's the issue today in Philly at the

1051
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: President's House?

1052
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 8: So the issue today in Philly when you go to

1053
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 8: the President's house, there had been.

1054
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,479
Speaker 5: A huge fight.

1055
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 8: The people of Philadelphia, the city of Philadelphia, the state

1056
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 8: of Pennsylvania all came to rally around the President's House

1057
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 8: first being an archaeological site and excavated so we could

1058
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 8: understand it from that perspective, and that then it would

1059
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 8: be interpreted what is really from a historical perspective. What's

1060
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 8: really interesting is that generally speaking, when we find something important,

1061
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 8: it's because there's some great thing happened, some great man

1062
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 8: is there of force. George Washington is there or not

1063
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 8: would have been reason enough to do the work. But

1064
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 8: the argument in Philadelphia was that this site is important

1065
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 8: because we need to talk about the country and its totality.

1066
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 8: We need to talk about the country with slavery being

1067
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 8: its foundation for its wealth, and its foundation inside of government,

1068
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 8: and its foundation inside of your family, inside of all

1069
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 8: of these ways in which the slaves people are being used.

1070
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 8: So that was the reason why the fight was so veillance,

1071
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 8: not because we wanted to talk about more about George Washington,

1072
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 8: but we wanted to talk about the totality of Washington.

1073
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 8: And and this goes back again when you're asking me

1074
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 8: about this this pluck the President's House. If you go

1075
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 8: to sixth the Market, there is an outline of the

1076
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 8: building there. It's kind of got walls coming halfway up

1077
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 8: in interpreted panels and the name of the Nine People

1078
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 8: are Thank Goodness etched in stone. There are panels there

1079
01:05:54,840 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 8: are videos all these things interpreting slavery and freedom at

1080
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 8: the President's House site. But that was the initial push.

1081
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 8: That's why people wanted to have it. Plus, you know,

1082
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 8: this is Women's History Month on a judge escapes from

1083
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 8: there there, which is a separate whole conversation that we

1084
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 8: can have in a minute if you want. So we

1085
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 8: have now this site and for the first time, and

1086
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 8: this was one of the the civic lessons that people

1087
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 8: really wanted to push. You had an Independence Hall, you

1088
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 8: have the Liberty Bill, and now you have the President's

1089
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 8: House site. And it was for the first time the

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 8: three branches of government, the executive, the legislative, and the

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 8: judicial branch, all in one place, in one footprint, and

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01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 8: the Liberty Bell. All of that was what was very

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 8: much pushing the interpretive narrative.

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01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 11: And all of this is.

1095
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 8: Wrapped slavery, enflavement of black people is wrapped around all

1096
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 8: of this. It was the perfect like the epicenter Charlton

1097
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 8: talk about all the different ways in which this country functions,

1098
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 8: all of the contradictions, all of the ways in which

1099
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 8: it sort of doesn't make sense but it does. We're

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01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 8: going to talk about liberty and freedom and we're going

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01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 8: to hold you in slavery at this fight on this

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01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 8: ground with the first president of the United States who

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01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 8: leads the country to liberty and freedom. So it's all

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01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 8: of that sort of mixed. And as we know with

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 8: the new executive order that has come out and what's

1106
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 8: not new now on truth insanity, it was determined that

1107
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 8: this interpretation was not uplifting for the country, I suppose,

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01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 8: or wasn't speaking gloriously about the country, and the Park

1109
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 8: Service was ordered to come in and remove the panels

1110
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 8: and it just boom that came in that you saw

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01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 8: them just prying them off the walls. And can you

1112
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 8: imagine this is a National Park s evice site. They

1113
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 8: took National Parks of its employees and people who worked

1114
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 8: for them and ripped the interpretive channels off the wall.

1115
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 8: And if you went to the President's House site, there

1116
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 8: was nothing there. There was the outline of the building,

1117
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 8: there was no interpretation, and all of that was gone

1118
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 8: except the name of the nine in plain people were

1119
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 8: still in the walls.

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Speaker 3: That that.

1121
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 8: We let me back up and say that attack avenging.

1122
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 8: The Ancestors Coalition and several other coalitions had come together

1123
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 8: to fund that site had come together to interpret that

1124
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 8: site had come together to really rally around it. So

1125
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 8: there was always this ground swell of community activism bringing

1126
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 8: the President's House forward and having it interpreted in ways

1127
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 8: in which that that were truth and truthful and sae.

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01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 8: You know, we were complying with exactly what was we

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 8: were the mandates were being called for.

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01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 7: We have done it.

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 8: That's what the President's House is. Everything that you think

1132
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 8: about in terms of truth and sanity, it's there. And

1133
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 8: as far as I'm concerned, who says I mean, we

1134
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 8: don't want to say slavery is glorious, but we want

1135
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 8: to say that what we have survived it and it

1136
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 8: deserves to be interpreted as strongly and as robustly as

1137
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 8: anything else in these countries. So when you saw all

1138
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 8: of that political activism taking place, all of this grounds

1139
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 8: well from Charles Blox and from all of these very

1140
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 8: powerful people in Philadelphia, they said this will not do.

1141
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 8: And they went to court.

1142
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 9: It took everybody.

1143
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 4: They went to.

1144
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 8: Court, and god, I'm not a legal you know, I

1145
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 8: don't know whether it was an injunction, but they judge

1146
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 8: said that the Panels had to go back. And so

1147
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 8: because of the activism, and this is I'm always always

1148
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 8: a champion of people getting out there and really expressing themselves.

1149
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 8: And in Philadelphia, the public, the community, the activist groups

1150
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 8: came together, went to court and got the decision reversed

1151
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 8: and most of the panels put back up. I have

1152
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 8: not been down to Philadelphia to inspect myself, but I

1153
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 8: am told that most of the panels are up, but

1154
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 8: some of the panels showing George Washington and slavery have

1155
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 8: not gone back up.

1156
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: All right, all right there, doctor ll Roach, you're right,

1157
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: thirty minutes there. Kareem in Baltimore wants to join the conversation.

1158
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: He's on line one Grand Rising and Kareem, you're with

1159
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: doctor little Roach.

1160
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 12: Hey peace, how y'all doing. I have a question in

1161
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 12: terms of this going back to the UH the three

1162
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 12: fourth Civil whatever man of five ays.

1163
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 8: Old could possibly hello, Yes, could it have possibly?

1164
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 10: Could it have possibly been that.

1165
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 12: It was based upon just like the censuses, the dollars

1166
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 12: that that they were getting, So the negotiation was made

1167
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 12: that the South had more people. Yeah, both of them

1168
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 12: were benefiting from slave because the Northern made clothes stuff.

1169
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 5: Like that bid all that stuff that was sent down

1170
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 5: to the South.

1171
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 12: So could it have been that that was the negotiation

1172
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 12: in itself, just as the negotiation now is with the

1173
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 12: census in terms of the dollars that they get.

1174
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 8: It's the dollars show up in the taxes. So remember

1175
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 8: that this is all about taxes and appropriation and population.

1176
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 8: So yes, you know what they always say, follow the money.

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 8: It's always about the money. Let's be clear. And if

1178
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 8: I didn't make that point, I should have because certainly

1179
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 8: this is all for the purposes of taxation and representation

1180
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 8: both things, and so owing the money. Yes, I'm gonna

1181
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 8: wanted to ask another question though, in terms of reparations.

1182
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,799
Speaker 12: Could it be that they kept records afraid they traded

1183
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 12: with paper?

1184
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 10: Could it be that h.

1185
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 12: Individual African American could go track those records and then

1186
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 12: take those individuals that are listed in that record to

1187
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 12: court reparations?

1188
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 5: Is that one message?

1189
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 8: You know, what I'd like to say as a researcher

1190
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 8: in this time period is that they wipe the murder

1191
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 8: weapon clean. Yes, and theories that you can do that.

1192
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 9: But because we are in the account books, because we're

1193
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 9: in the ledgers, and because we are traded between families,

1194
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 9: yes you can do it.

1195
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 8: It takes a team of researchers. It's not easy. If

1196
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 8: I find and played relatives for many not many, but

1197
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 8: I have done it for a couple of historical sites,

1198
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 8: maybe three or four, And I want to tell you

1199
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 8: it is really difficult to do. You only have first network.

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01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 8: This is a harbor.

1201
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 10: I'm gonna tell you this story.

1202
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 8: I was once doing research and had the names of

1203
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 8: the enslaved people, Dolly, Sarah, and Mary whatever it was

1204
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 8: on the list. When you're doing the research, just so

1205
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 8: you know how dehumanizing it is, because it's his chattle slavery.

1206
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 8: You have to go through the property records, and those

1207
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 8: enslaved people are down there with the sheep and the

1208
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 8: silver and I had been going through the enslaves got

1209
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 8: to the sheep. This is a true story where they

1210
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 8: named the sheep. I was interrupted, came back. I couldn't

1211
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 8: remember whether I was looking at sheep or human beings. Wow,

1212
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 8: I'm telling you, I'm telling you how hard this is.

1213
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 8: So you got a bunch of names. You got fifty

1214
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 8: thousand dollies, Dollies Millies because nobody's got a both first name.

1215
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 8: But anyway, we're getting off the track here about the President,

1216
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 8: Thank you, Thank you.

1217
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: Curry doctor, just get back on track. How did you

1218
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: get involved in the fighting Philly? How did you you know,

1219
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: how did they pull you in?

1220
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 8: Good? Good question. I had been the archaeological conservator on

1221
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 8: the African Burial Ground and that was a huge fight.

1222
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 8: And I mean, I feel like every time I show

1223
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 8: up there, you know, we're fighting to bring this history

1224
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 8: to life. We're understand what the real importance is. But

1225
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 8: the people around us don't know, the people the thunders

1226
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 8: don't or whatever it is. And so I had been

1227
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 8: you know, talking about on the ground in the belly

1228
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 8: of the beast, at you know, at the you know,

1229
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 8: changing my eyebrows at the African Burial Ground for many years.

1230
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 8: And that was, of course of one of the biggest

1231
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 8: archaeological sites in the country at the time. So when

1232
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 8: the President's House came up, I think Charles Bloxon mentioned

1233
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 8: to me and a couple of other people of the people,

1234
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 8: I think my name came up in for more than

1235
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 8: one instance. They asked me to come because I want

1236
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 8: the endstays of these contentious sites. I worked with governments

1237
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 8: I worked. I can read those archaeological reports and tell

1238
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 8: you what they mean, I can, you know, help you

1239
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 8: interpret what's going on, and I usually work with the public,

1240
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 8: so I had a lot of different skill sets that

1241
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 8: they found important in Philadelphia and asked me to come

1242
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 8: and I came in as a cultural heritage specialist and

1243
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 8: worked and worked, you know, within the archeological footprint of

1244
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 8: the building and helped in that way. So that's how

1245
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 8: I initially got involved. And then years later there was

1246
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 8: a whole interpretive platform at the site. And I have

1247
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,440
Speaker 8: to tell your car. People were so curious about archaeology.

1248
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 8: They always are. They don't understand it, but they find

1249
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 8: it fascinating. And because the people were Usually when you

1250
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 8: go buy an archaeological site, you don't even know it

1251
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 8: because there's a chain ly sense and there's a tarp

1252
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 8: around it and you can't see what's going on in side.

1253
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 8: You never know when you're walking by these sites. But

1254
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 8: in Stilly, because we had made such news and we'd

1255
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 8: gone around the world and ap was there, everybody was

1256
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 8: looking at it, they put a wooden platform, not quite

1257
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 8: can't to leave it, but right at the edge of

1258
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 8: the excavation, so you could come on the platform anytime

1259
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 8: day or night and watch and what happened is that

1260
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 8: people came and we got to talk about slavery, We

1261
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 8: got to talk about George Washington, we got to talk

1262
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 8: about all of the founding principles of the nation and

1263
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 8: the contradictions black white children, young and old. It was

1264
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 8: for me, one of the most important aspects of the project.

1265
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 8: And if you go to the President's House today, people

1266
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 8: were so fascinated that they glassed over a part of

1267
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 8: the archaeological work and left it so people could see it.

1268
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 8: So if you go, you can still see part of

1269
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 8: the excavation that's undisturbed under a glass panel in the

1270
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 8: floor inside of the President's House. Exhibits there.

1271
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: All right, although thought right there, doctor LaRose, we've got

1272
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: to step Asuva Feans get caught up with the lady

1273
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: Steers when we come back that I won don't you

1274
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: continue your thought? Also tell us why those activists in

1275
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: Philly felt so strong about the excavating and preserving the site. Yeah,

1276
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: I want I think it was left it alone. What

1277
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: was it that you know piqued their interest? Why want

1278
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: you share that with the family when we get back, family,

1279
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: you two can get involved in this conversation with doctor

1280
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: Cheryl Larotte she's a researcher you've heard of before. You

1281
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: can reach us an eight hundred four to five zero

1282
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a calls after

1283
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: we check the news. That's next and Grand Rising Family

1284
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: sixteen minutes away from the top of there with doctor

1285
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: Cheryl Larotte, she's a researcher. We're discussing, you know, where

1286
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: she got involved in the efforts to and to block

1287
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: the history of the story of enslaved Africans in Philadelphia.

1288
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: And later this morning we're going to speak with doctor

1289
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: Tarren Powers. He's a former FBI. Ah, we can talk

1290
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff that's going on Iran with

1291
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: doctor Powers. And tomorrow's Friday, and we'll invite you to

1292
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 1: free your mind and all let me just think for

1293
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: yourself and join us for another edition of Open Phone Friday.

1294
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: We begin promptly at six six am Eastern time right

1295
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in

1296
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, let's go

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Speaker 1: back to doctor doctor Laruze, Doctor lu Challenge, finish your

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Speaker 1: conversation and then tell us why why the folks in

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Speaker 1: Phield was so it was so you know, insistent that

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Speaker 1: you know that our history be preserved at the so

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: called White House in Philadelphia President's House.

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Speaker 8: I should say, I have to I have to say

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01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 8: that both in New York and in Philadelphia, people were

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01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 8: so shocked to learn that they didn't know so much

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01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 8: of their own history about enflavement in those two places.

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 8: Philadelphia was one of the early states to end slavery

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01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 8: in this country, and that's an important fact. So you know,

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01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 8: New York had slavery much longer, at least twenty years

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01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 8: longer than so thirty years longer in Philadelphia almost. But

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01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 8: what you saw was that as people started to learn, oh,

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01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 8: not only was this the president's house, but he's keeping

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01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 8: nine people enslaves there. But he's keeping them in slaves

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01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 8: there illegally. So Philadelphia, Pennsylvania had ended slavery, but there

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01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 8: was a loophole in the law that said the statesmen,

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01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 8: because so many of the original statesmen who were coming

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 8: into Philadelphia at the beginning of this country were enslavers

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01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 8: and help people in slavery, the law said that you

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01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 8: could bring people in for six months. If they stayed

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01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 8: longer than six months, they were entitled to their freedom.

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Speaker 12: That was the law.

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Speaker 1: Well, didn't you being to ask you this question, dot

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: Hila Roach? What can we learn about this experience? You know,

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: we probably did not learn in the history books says

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01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: we were missing on that particular day the civics class.

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01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 8: What can we learn You weren't missing in Civics class.

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01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 8: You weren't being taught this.

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Speaker 10: We did not.

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Speaker 8: This was not something that was generally taught. The whole

1329
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 8: aspect of slavery, how it was bound into this country,

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01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,560
Speaker 8: how it's baked into the foundation of this country, was

1331
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 8: never taught in this way. And so when you look

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01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 8: at the law, which is why you know, critical race

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01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 8: theory is a no no because it stet the look

1334
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 8: the laws. You can't get around some of this stuff.

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01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 8: When you understand that Washington, the president of the country,

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01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 8: was circumventing the law. He was rotating people out after

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01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 8: five months and twenty nine days, the five months and

1338
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 8: twenty eight days, taking them back, oh, taking them over

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01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 8: to New Jersey, taking them out of the state, taking

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01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 8: in some place and bringing them back and resetting the clock.

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01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 8: And when they closed them and said you can no

1342
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 8: longer do this, he continued, and people just turned a

1343
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 8: blind eye. So that was the first thing that really

1344
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 8: caught people that, wait, he's breaking the law and riding

1345
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 8: around with coachman. Mother was walking around with her enslaving me,

1346
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 8: this is against the law. That's the first thing that

1347
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 8: really sort of got people looking at this in a

1348
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 8: way that was very powerful and insisted that that aspect

1349
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 8: of the interpretation being included. That was just one when

1350
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 8: you realize that on the judge escaped from that building,

1351
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 8: escaped from the president, and the first lady left and said,

1352
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 8: you know what, I'm out. That was again something that

1353
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 8: people hadn't really realized. I studied women who escaped, who

1354
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 8: escapes wavy. I knew she was there, but I didn't

1355
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 8: know the details until I got there on the ground.

1356
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 8: That was two and because the Plus Service had known

1357
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 8: that slavery was on that site and was choosing not

1358
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 8: to interpret it. If the citizens of Philadelphia is the

1359
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 8: act of this group that Charles Bloxhom, If attack hadn't

1360
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 8: stepped in, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and we

1361
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 8: wouldn't be understanding all of the kind of aspects that

1362
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 8: we're talking about right now, because it would never have

1363
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 8: seen the light of day that is why they fought

1364
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 8: so hard. You'd be walking over the Liberty Belt getting

1365
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 8: that same liberty bell stick, You'd be going over the

1366
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 8: Independence Hall getting the grand and glorious narrative that they're

1367
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:40,799
Speaker 8: trying to reintroduce. And again, all of the wealth, the power,

1368
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 8: the force, the work that happened through enflayment would have

1369
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 8: been nowhere in sight. That's why they fought so hard

1370
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 8: for it.

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01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 13: It had to be discussed.

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01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: Us.

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01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: Why I've been discussing it this morning with doctor Cheryl

1374
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: la Roche. She's sharing what she did to ensure that

1375
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: the Presidential House, the President's House in Philly, told the

1376
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: truth about slavery. Do you and know all their research

1377
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: on this particular project, doctor l Roaches, anything stand out

1378
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: to you, any highlights.

1379
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 5: You know?

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01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 8: For me, the highlight was always that platform and the

1381
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 8: way people responded and came in and had conversations that

1382
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 8: I've never had more candidly anywhere, And the clarity that

1383
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 8: people got really understanding how interwoven enslavement it was at

1384
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 8: every aspect of the lives of the people that were

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01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 8: running the country. Those were the kinds of things, and

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 8: of course, knowing where the house was, people there was

1387
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 8: a lot of controversy about where it was and you know,

1388
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 8: where it wasn't and so forth and go on. But

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01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 8: for me, when you kind of go down the street

1390
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 8: and you see Mother Bethel, you start to really understand

1391
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 8: Philadelphia in a whole new way when you see the

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01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 8: presidents out there on that corner, anchoring that corner, and

1393
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 8: starting to understand how slaves was completely front and center

1394
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 8: in that city at that time. So there weren't that

1395
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 8: many artifacts. You know, most sites that have anything to

1396
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 8: do with Washington, there's nothing really there. So there was

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01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 8: not and we didn't expect to find any kind of

1398
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 8: cash of artifacts that we're really going to be distinctive.

1399
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 8: We'd hoped we would, but we didn't find that. But

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01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 8: it was the footprint of the building. It was the

1401
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 8: footprint on the outline of the all of the spaces

1402
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 8: of labor. We actually excavated more spaces of labor than

1403
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 8: we did spaces around George Washington, and so you know,

1404
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 8: there were our stables and ice houses and wells and

1405
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 8: places where people would have done that kind of work.

1406
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 8: Ba's what we were looking at and looking for. So

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01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 8: we could tell a full three hundred and sixty degrees

1408
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 8: story of the founding of the country.

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01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: Gotcha hold that thought right there, nine away from the

1410
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: top of the hot Why is this issue become in

1411
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: the news is because is it Donald Trump? Because what

1412
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: he did to try to remove the panels? We saw

1413
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: that on TV in the news or if he had

1414
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: not stepped in, would would this be news? How do

1415
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: you see why this has become sort of a flashboint.

1416
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 8: Well, so the site's been there for nineteen years or something.

1417
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 8: I mean, it's I think that's when it started. It

1418
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 8: became a national park. I think in twenty ten if

1419
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 8: I remember correctly. You know, I'm not great sometimes with

1420
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 8: the numbers, So I think it was twenty ten and

1421
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 8: people were coming when we were there. I think we

1422
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 8: had three hundred thousand people who came through in a

1423
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,480
Speaker 8: few months we were open. People always come to Philadelphia

1424
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 8: and one of the things you have to understand, school

1425
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 8: kids come by the Trump by the buffloads to Philadelphia

1426
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 8: to get their civics lessons. That's one of the places

1427
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 8: that school children go on their field trips at the

1428
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 8: time to learn.

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01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 10: Physics, it.

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01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 8: Civics, to learn civic there. Because of all of the

1431
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 8: narratives that you can tell in between Independent Hall and

1432
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 8: the Liberty Bell and the President's House site. But when

1433
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 8: those interpretive panels were removed because they felt it wasn't

1434
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 8: complying with that executive order, and because just like we

1435
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 8: kicked up a storm and protested in the beginning, which

1436
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 8: is why it was famous, because there was so much

1437
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 8: protest to get it going, get it up, get it saved,

1438
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 8: get it excavated, and get it memorialized, we have to

1439
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 8: do the same thing again because people were that the Administration,

1440
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 8: the Park Service of executive order was coming in to

1441
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 8: say this is unacceptable, and we're ripping it. We're ripping

1442
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 8: it down. We don't add it's not like we have

1443
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 8: a plan. It's not like we're putting up something else.

1444
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 8: We're just going to rip it down. And part of

1445
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:03,520
Speaker 8: the money that went into that site was raised by Philadelphians,

1446
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 8: was raised by the citizens of Pennsylvania. It was not

1447
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 8: all federal money. You just can't unilaterally come in there

1448
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 8: and destroy a site for which you did not have

1449
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,560
Speaker 8: a complete oversight and for which you were supposed to

1450
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 8: be in a cooperative agreement with other people in part

1451
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 8: of the park. So that's what and the actually This

1452
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 8: has brought so much attention back to the site, and

1453
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 8: it's great in one way because people are learning their

1454
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 8: physics lessons. People are learning about slavery in Philadelphia, and

1455
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 8: people are learning about this. George Washington is the first president, Carl.

1456
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 8: He's setting the tones of the presidency that hasn't changed,

1457
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 8: and his advocating that the people, the public shouldn't know

1458
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 8: what he's doing, that these things should be kept quiet.

1459
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 8: We only know about this because we're reading his letters,

1460
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 8: and his letters are public, you can find them, and

1461
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 8: nobody's thought to burn the letter where he's advocating duplicity

1462
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 8: when he's advocating that nobody knows what he's.

1463
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 9: Doing, so he's set.

1464
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 8: He's setting the tone for the presidency from the beginning.

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01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what though, Doc, tell me. I

1466
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: got to ask this question because you know, when I

1467
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: George Washington was the first president that there was talk

1468
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: about there were four black presidents before George Washington. Is

1469
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: there any truth to that? As a research if you found.

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01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 8: Anything, I've never I've never looked. I got enough to

1471
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 8: do with what I want to do that I have

1472
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 8: not gone down that path to look and see. I've

1473
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 8: heard it, I've read it. I've I've often had that discussion,

1474
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 8: but I don't know for sure. You know, that would

1475
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 8: be something that I would have to research, and you

1476
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 8: know that would be something I would have to look

1477
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 8: into and research. So it's not you know, that's not

1478
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 8: clear to me. I can't.

1479
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, enough, well if you have well, if you

1480
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: have time to do it, let us know, because you know,

1481
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: I've heard the stories as well as a brother by

1482
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:57,919
Speaker 1: the name of Hanson.

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01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 8: They say, yes, Hanswer is the name that I mean.

1484
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 8: I didn't say it, but Hanson is the name that

1485
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 8: always comes up. And right, here's what I can say

1486
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 8: with real comfort. Whenever I see these stories, I don't

1487
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 8: dismiss them because I know it's not either or it's both,

1488
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 8: and Hanson probably was there. There's probably some truth to it,

1489
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 8: both things that coexist. I just don't know how. That's

1490
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 8: what I would say. I'd see it all the time.

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01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 10: But people test, oh, that never happened, Yeah, it did happen.

1492
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 8: You know, so I would suspect that this is another

1493
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,560
Speaker 8: one of those. If I were to really dig into it,

1494
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 8: I would see that there is some validity and the

1495
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 8: reason why people are saying this, but I don't know

1496
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 8: what it is?

1497
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 14: All right?

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01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: Hold I sorwy to doctor Rush, I got step beside,

1499
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: get caught up in lays trafficking weather at different cities.

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01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: When to come back though? Tell us why this site

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01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: means for the country celebrated. It's two undre and fifteth Anniversity.

1502
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: What does it really mean and why all this work's

1503
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: going on and all the research that you put in

1504
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: at this site as well? Family, you two can get

1505
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: in on this conversation. I guess the doctor shel Roach,

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01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: doctor lo Roach is a researcher and he's doing a

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01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: lot of work in the President's House in Philadelphia. What

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01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six will get you in. We'll take

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01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: your phone calls after we check the trafficking weather at

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01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: different cities. Next and grand Rising family, thanks for rolling

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Speaker 1: with us on this slursty money. I guess doctor Cheryl l.

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01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 8: Roach.

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Speaker 1: Moment heary, you're going to speak with doctor Tyrone powers,

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01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: so let's wrap up with doctor Loroach, Doctor lo Roach.

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01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 1: As you heard, she's been working valiently to ensure that

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01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: the President's House in Philadelphia told the truth, the truth

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01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: about slavery. You know, there's there's a movement to take

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01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 1: some of that those some of that information out. So

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01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: doctor LaRouche the roles you think the President's house is

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01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: going to play in the anniversary that's coming to the

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Speaker 1: United States.

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Speaker 8: So you know, if you think about if you let

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01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 8: people who think you're less than they are, if you

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01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 8: let your enemy tell you your history, you are going

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01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 8: to get a history that doesn't serve you. It's going

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01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 8: to be incomplete, it's going to be inaccurate, and going

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01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 8: to be harmful. And part of the reason why this

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01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 8: site was saved was because we wanted to tell a

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01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 8: history that was useful, truthful, purposeful. But as we come

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01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 8: into Americas through fifty, we have to really ensure that

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 8: the people who come into Philadelphia, into this country understand

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01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 8: the work, the contributions of black people in this country,

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01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 8: that the labor, that the wealth of this country is

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01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 8: built on the backs of people who were enslaved here

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,719
Speaker 8: in the United States. I think that when you start

1537
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 8: to understand that the wealth and the might of this

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01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:50,560
Speaker 8: nation would never have occurred had it not been for

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01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 8: the people who were brought in to do the work

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01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 8: and to ensure that it thrives and it prospers. That's

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01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 8: something that you don't usually hear. And when we want

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01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 8: to talk about the glory of this country, we have

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01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 8: to talk about the glory of the people who made

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01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 8: this country. And that's what we did, and that's the

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01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 8: work that the slavey contributed. Even though it was on

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01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 8: the backs and inhumane and all of the things that

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01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 8: we know are negative about it, we also know we

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01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 8: have to talk about its coexistence. We have to talk

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01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 8: about how people were able to survive, and we have

1550
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 8: to talk about the culture and how the culture was

1551
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 8: able to thrive and car memory and memorialization keeps these

1552
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 8: things in our understanding. And if we don't have if

1553
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 8: you look around, why are these Confederate monuments only sixty

1554
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 8: feet They're huge, huge. It's because they want to loom

1555
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 8: inside your imagination and your memory. And if we don't

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01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 8: keep our memorials, if we don't have memorials, people think

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01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 8: we didn't contribute with people think we weren't even here,

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01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 8: that all that you see, that we just disappeared, and

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01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 8: that the work and the labor that came that came

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01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 8: with our experience in this country isn't validated, and isn't recognized,

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 8: and isn't acknowledged. That cannot be and that is the truth,

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01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 8: and why attack Charles Bloxon, myself, all of the people,

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01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 8: all of the tibides, the ad hoc historians, all the

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01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,600
Speaker 8: people who rallied around that site. That's why we did it,

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01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 8: so we could have a memorial. Those names of the

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01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 8: nine people who were enslaved there are etched in the

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01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 8: walls of that memorial to say, we're gonna honor these people.

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01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 8: We're gonna honor those nine people. We're gonna honor their lives.

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01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 8: We're gonna honor their contribution and the contribution of all

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01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 8: people who came into this country enslaved and had to

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01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 8: work and gain and fight for their freedom. We're not

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Speaker 8: going anywhere, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Thank you for that, Doctor Larroach and doctor Rode.

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01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 1: How can folks follow you?

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01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 8: Well, you know the best way to see look for

1576
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 8: the work now. Of course, I'm on LinkedIn and I'm

1577
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 8: on Instagram. Doctorsholaros dot com. You can go to the

1578
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 8: resurrectors that I talked about this before. R E S

1579
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 8: you r R E d p O r S dot com.

1580
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 8: Because I'm always bringing up sort of obscure stories and

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01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 8: things that people don't know. That seems to be the

1582
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 8: work that I tend to do. I mean, if I'm

1583
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 8: not uncovering it in the ground, I'm uncovering it in

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01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 8: the archives. And so The Resurrectors is a children's story

1585
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 8: about Henry Hyland Garnett and it's coming out in a

1586
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 8: couple of months. We're in the final phases of pulling

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01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 8: it together, and that is the latest contribution I have

1588
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 8: to sort of highlighting, resurrecting, bringing back, resuscitating, bringing back

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01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 8: into memory these very sameous and important stories and somehow

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01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 8: buried and lost for a lot of different reasons. And

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01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 8: Barnette was pretty radical guy, you know, sort of the

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01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 8: Malcolm X of his time, and he's been obscured. So

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01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 8: that's what I'm working on now. And you can find

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01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 8: me at the Resurrectors dot com or you can look.

1595
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 8: And I haven't talked about my book about Paul Quinn,

1596
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 8: another person that one knows about, Bishop Paul Quinn called

1597
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 8: the Apostle Liberation. So, as always, it seems to I

1598
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 8: have a lot going on, but it all makes sense

1599
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 8: to me. It all fits together in terms of this

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01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 8: this puzzle where we need to tell these important stories

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01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 8: that are frowhat from a radical perspective and that people

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01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 8: maybe don't get une comfortable with. We need to talk

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01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 8: about them too, and that's what I do.

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01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: And thank you for doing that, and thank you for

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01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: sharing the information with us this morning, Doctor Roach, thank you,

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01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 1: thank you much.

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01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 8: Thank having me. I really appreciate it. It's great to

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01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 8: be here. And I want to thank your audience for

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01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 8: their contribution to the work, because you were one of

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01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 8: the first places we came to talk about the Resurrectors,

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01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 8: and so I want to thank your audience because we

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01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 8: know you have this powerful listening audience who also contributed

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01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 8: to our Kickstarter campaign and who helped us get this

1614
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 8: book launched. And so we're very grateful to you and

1615
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 8: for you to bring us on and have us discuss

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01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 8: this with your audience. We're really grateful. Thank you very much.

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01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: No, thank you, you do the work. Thank you the

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01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: doctor Laroach. All right, family, it's seven after top that

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01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: we got doctor Terren Powace on deck. Before we got

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01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: to doctor Powers though, she talked about our audience, family,

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01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: and this is what we need. We need help. This

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01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 1: morning Kevin. Yes, sir, we were to explain to the

1623
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: family what we're doing this morning.

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01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 2: Well, we're proud to use our voices to support the

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01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 2: children at Saint Jude. And you can get a new

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01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 2: Music Gives shirt and a hoodie and help Saint Jude

1627
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 2: stop cancer and become a partner and hope by pledging

1628
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 2: just nineteen dollars a month to help children at Saint

1629
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Jude facing cancer.

1630
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 3: Put your gift on the card and you'll get the

1631
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 3: new It Gives shirt.

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01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 2: It's a real nice T shirt and a nice quality

1633
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 2: and uh and a really great hoodie which has the

1634
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 2: emblem of the Saint Jude emblem on it.

1635
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 3: And uh, you can help us reach our goal.

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01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 2: We're sitting a goal today, well this hour for like

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01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars, and at nineteen dollars a month, that's

1638
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 2: only five people that call one eight hundred four one

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01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 2: one nine eight nine eight one eight.

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01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 3: Hundred four one one nine eight nine eight.

1641
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 2: Again that number one eight hundred four one one nine

1642
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 2: eight nine eight become a partner and hope and let's

1643
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 2: stop cancer in children and just by calling.

1644
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 3: One eight hundred four one one nine eight nine eight

1645
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 3: help us meet our goal. That's where we are coming.

1646
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: And Kevin did tell that we have a friendly rivalry

1647
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: with our other stations here in the building, and we're

1648
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: posting and they're strutting around out there in the hallways

1649
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: that I'm just gonna you know the hell they got

1650
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: the phones bring in and all that stuff. So hey,

1651
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 1: don't let us down, family, We want to we want

1652
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 1: to be boasts boasts as well, and witness is all

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01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: over us. We got this hour, you know, yeah, just

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01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: do that. And that's five people, right, we need to

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01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 1: do that, make make that happen. Yes, but let's yeah,

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01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 1: so give down number again, Kevin, go now.

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01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 2: One eight hundred for one one nine eight nine eight,

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01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 2: one eight hundred for one one nine eight nine eight

1659
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 2: again one eight hundred for one one nine eight nine eight.

1660
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 3: Become a partner in hope. Right.

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01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 1: These are good guys in these other stations popping in

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01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: every other minute and say, hey, you know our phones

1663
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: are Oh, we got this much money, so you know that,

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01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee like, right, that's how you, Kevin, to go

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01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: out there and tell about how much money we got it.

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01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: So to please help us out. Family. Nine minutes after

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Speaker 1: top down, let's tell our attention to doctor Tyrone Powers.

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01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: Doctor Tyren Powers, a former FBI agent Grand Rising, Doctor Powers,

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01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 10: Good morning, and thank you for having me on call,

1671
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 10: and thank you for the fundraison you were doing to

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01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 10: help Saint Jo's Cancer Hospital. As you know, and I've

1673
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 10: told you personally, I went through a very very aggressive

1674
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 10: cancer was an impatient for four months at the City

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01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 10: or Hope. I've been zied, Illinois. At that time, it

1676
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 10: was a cancer treatment Center of America. And at that

1677
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 10: time I was able to connect with other people who

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01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 10: obviously had cancer because I was impatient for four months,

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01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 10: and with the children of Saint Jude's. I've been contributed

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01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 10: to them for a very long time. And the beautiful

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01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 10: part about that place is that they don't even charge

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01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 10: the parents for medical care. It's almost free complete medical care,

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01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,719
Speaker 10: which is unheard of in this day and age.

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Speaker 5: In a way they.

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Speaker 10: Support and address children. Imagine if your child had some

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01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 10: form of cancer and you didn't have insurance, they didn't

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01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 10: have any way to pay it. They actually put the

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01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 10: parents up they can stay up there, and they they

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01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 10: don't charge them anything.

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01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,799
Speaker 2: The families don't pay for treatment, for travel, for housing,

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01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 2: for food so that they can focus on helping their child.

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01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 10: Uh, one of them. It is one of the true,

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01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 10: one of the true things in this day and in

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01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 10: this world, which is totally focused on the health and

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01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 10: care of the children. There's no angle, there's no side,

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01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 10: there's no second plan, there's no fund for something else,

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01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 10: because it is devastating when you have a child. It

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01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 10: was devastating for me to find out I had to

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01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 10: aggressive form of cancer, but it was devastating for those

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01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 10: children who don't even know how to react to that,

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01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 10: responding to.

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01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 5: That or to actually.

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01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 10: Uh, they can't even put it together in their head.

1704
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 10: They can't even assess it or analyze it. They just

1705
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 10: have to deal with it, and sometimes it's devastating.

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01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing that testimony, doctor Powers. That number again

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01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 2: one eight hundred for one one nine eight nine eight

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01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 2: one eight hundred for one one nine eight nine eight

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01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 2: one eight hundred four one one nine eight nine eight.

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01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:59,719
Speaker 2: We're just trying to go is one hundred dollars this hour?

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01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real easy we could do in that family.

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01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 1: But doctor Pals, I feel like getting into what we

1713
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: talked about back on the cancer tip. Do you think

1714
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: there's a cure for cancer. And they're not just telling us.

1715
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: The big farmers are just ripping us off.

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01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,600
Speaker 10: I don't know the reason why I said, I don't know.

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01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 10: At one point I definitely thought us that this disease

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01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 10: had been alone for so long. It reminds me of polio.

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01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 10: And then when Franklin Delano Roosevelt began to tell people,

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Speaker 10: if everyone in the United States sent in one dime,

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01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 10: we can come up with the funds and do the research,

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01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 10: the curreed polio. That's why we came up with the

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Speaker 10: March of Dimes, because people all over the country. Rather

1724
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 10: than ask people for dollars and hundreds of dollars, you

1725
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 10: looked at the citizenship of the United States, the millions

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Speaker 10: of people here, and Franklin Dell Roosevelt said, everyone sent

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Speaker 10: in one dime. And of course now we have the

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Speaker 10: March of Dimes, which was modeled after that request, and

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Speaker 10: they curried polio. And the reason why I said, I

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01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 10: don't know about cancer. It's obviously cancer treatment and research

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01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 10: is very profitable. But a lot of the people I met,

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01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 10: they were all classes and all walks of life. Who

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Speaker 10: is dealing with this horrific disease and its different forms,

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01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 10: and so if usually when you have a disease that

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01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:13,480
Speaker 10: they don't care about curing, it hurts. It hurts specifically

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01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 10: a group of people, a class of people, a race

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01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 10: of people. But this disease from being close up and

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01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 10: personal with it impact you all over the city nation. Well,

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01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 10: whether it's Steve Jobs from the head of Apple who

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01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 10: have billions, or whether it's someone who is living in

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01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 10: abject poverty. So I don't know about that. I don't

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01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 10: know if they would not cure disease that had an

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01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 10: impact on so many people who they believe are a

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Speaker 10: part of their padre. So it's a difficult question for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thirtune to have that tough that doctor

1746
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,719
Speaker 1: pals get right in though. What's going on in Iran?

1747
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: First question straight up, as Donald Trump underestimated the Iranians.

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Speaker 10: Well, we always have the history of that. And when

1749
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 10: I work counterintelligence and counter terrorism in the FBI, and

1750
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 10: I'm sure agents who can't talk about it because when

1751
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 10: you're working counter intelligence, not only are you in an

1752
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,759
Speaker 10: FBI office, but you're locked in a separate room behind

1753
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 10: a safe door you don't even set with the other

1754
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 10: agents have always studied that history and they and there's

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Speaker 10: a national Intelligence report that goes to the president every year,

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01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 10: and the intelligence agencies, whether they're with the Defense Intelligence Agency,

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01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 10: the Central Intelligence Agency, the FBI, or military difference, any

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01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:37,640
Speaker 10: other intelligence agency, put together this massive report and they

1759
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 10: get it to the president and they said, if you

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01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 10: do this, this is what likely to happen, based on history,

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01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 10: based on intelligence, based on assets and assets in the

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01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 10: criminal world, when you when somebody give you information on

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01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 10: the street about a crime, and we call them informants,

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01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 10: and the intelligence world they'll call assets because they're bringing

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01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 10: you intelligence, and we and and and just a quick

1766
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 10: side is that the difference between intelligence gathering and gathering

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01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,520
Speaker 10: informing information for a prosecution and a case and intelligence

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01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 10: gathering you're not really kind of about constitutional issues because

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01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 10: you're never going to take people to trial. You gathering

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01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 10: an intelligence not because you're worried about due process or

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01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 10: whether the judge you're going to throw it out in court.

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01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 10: You're gathering intelligence to create operations and responses. So that's

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01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:28,919
Speaker 10: a total different thing than gathering information from an informant

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01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 10: which you intend to use at trial, when you have

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01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 10: to follow the rules of evidence and criminal procedure, and

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01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 10: so it's a total different Well, and some pew the time,

1777
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 10: people get them confused when they say, well, they came

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01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 10: into my house, they did this, this, and this. Technically,

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01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 10: if they do that illegally in the criminal side, then

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01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 10: under Matt versus Ohio that it can be excluded under

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01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 10: the exclusionary it can be excluded from trial because they

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01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 10: obtained it illegally. Any intelligence, well, that's not even your concern.

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01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 10: That's what we saw with co Intel pro That's what

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01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 10: we see when they went after Marcus Garby, when they

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01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 10: went after other black leaders, they weren't even thinking about

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01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 10: sending them a trial. They were going to use that

1787
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 10: information to make Martin Luther King commit suicide, to divide

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01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,759
Speaker 10: Malcolm X from the Nation of Islam, to spoke those flames.

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01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:17,879
Speaker 10: They're just gathering intelligence on your behavior, your mental status,

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01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 10: your emotion, your divisions, so they can use them against you,

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01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 10: so you can destroy yourself. They're not trying to prosecute you.

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01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 10: They're trying to persecute you. And that's the difference between

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01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 10: the intelligence world and the criminal world informance and asset

1794
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:37,799
Speaker 10: and sometime we kind of get them confused. But getting back, well, hold.

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Speaker 1: Off the ry that we're going to step aside for

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01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 1: a few months. I'm glad you clear that up, because

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01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: the FBI is now told, well announced that giving an

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Speaker 1: alert they call it for California to look out for

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Speaker 1: drawing attacks. And I was going to use the term

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Speaker 1: confidentially CI, but now you tell them that their assets.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you clified that for us, and then maybe

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01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: you can get into that when we get back. Family,

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01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 1: Youtubo can join our conversation with our guest. He's a

1804
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: former FBI age. His name is doctor Tyrone Powers. You

1805
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 1: want to speak to him, reach out to us at

1806
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and grind Rising Family,

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01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for starting your Thursday with us and our guess,

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01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers is a former FBI agent

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01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 1: and doctor Powers. Let let you finish your thought and

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01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 1: also tell us about the FBI announced it's alert for

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Speaker 1: California folks that they may be prone to drone attacks.

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Speaker 1: How did they assess that information?

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Speaker 10: If you can share that with us, sure, let me

1815
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,560
Speaker 10: let me let me finish the other piece that you

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01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 10: were asking about, because this I think is very important

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01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 10: for our community. So let me give you some primary

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01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:42,599
Speaker 10: examples that we'll be familiar with from history. So when

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01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 10: the FBI and the Chicago Police Department set up and

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Speaker 10: killed Fred Hampton Singor, the FBI was running an insuligence operation.

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01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 10: The Chicago Police Department had an informant, but the informant

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01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 10: was provided by the FBI, So the FBI had an asset.

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01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 10: In the record books that keep saying that there was

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01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 10: an informant inside the Black Panther Party, but technically it

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01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 10: was an asset because they never intended to arrest Fred

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Speaker 10: Hampton Senior. They were gathering intelligence so they could assassinate

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Speaker 10: Fred Hampton Senior. They never intended to be in court

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01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 10: to have to go through due process, to have a

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01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 10: prosecutor and a defense attorney, to worry about whether the

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01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 10: warrant was constitutional, whether they could be there, because they

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01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 10: were running an intelligence operation to get what they saw

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01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 10: as a threat to at that time, the white people

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01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 10: of this country or national security. Because remember that Jagoh

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01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 10: Hooper has said the Black Panther Party for self defense

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01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 10: to the nation of Islam where the greatest threat to

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Speaker 10: national security. In fact, the nation of Islam had more

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Speaker 10: indexed security cars and a's cards that you put information

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01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 10: on and you run intelligence operations against the Nation of

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01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 10: Islam than any other organization. And I'm talking about international

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01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 10: groups that were Germans, that was Nazis, that were Russians,

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01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 10: that were Communists out of Wall, all those groups, the

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01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,639
Speaker 10: group that had more intelligence and more security index cards

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01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 10: that they were running more operations against, which kind of

1844
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 10: explained what happened in the Malcolm X situation with the

1845
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 10: Nation of Islam and the psychops, the operations to psychologically

1846
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 10: have us divided against each other so that they could

1847
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 10: set us up to be killed and blame you and

1848
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,799
Speaker 10: then later on pay off your family with some award,

1849
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,520
Speaker 10: which to them is well worth it. Those are intelligence

1850
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 10: operations and a lot of the operations ran against our

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01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 10: leaders from my work in calor intelligence or intelligence operations.

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01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:37,719
Speaker 10: So they're not worried about constitutional issues. And that's important

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01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 10: for us to know because, as I said before, when

1854
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 10: I was in the FBI KAD and they kept saying

1855
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,560
Speaker 10: to us, you will never effectively counter that which you

1856
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 10: do not fully understand. Superficial understanding could only lead to

1857
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 10: superficial solutions. So it's important that our community, and I

1858
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 10: teach this in some classes. I did this with the

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01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 10: Congressional Black Caucus because I was telling them at their

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01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 10: conference every year they need to have workshops, close workshops

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01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,479
Speaker 10: where we walk them through this because even as they

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01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:08,720
Speaker 10: speak and they're sitting in their congressional seats, they're being

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01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 10: targeted for intelligence operations that will keep them from being

1864
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:15,800
Speaker 10: bold in legislation, because by that time you began to

1865
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 10: speak out, they've already had a foul and a portfolio

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01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 10: on you, so that when they come to you and

1867
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 10: say if you speak out on this issue or if

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01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 10: you don't be quiet. President Trump that during this administration,

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01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 10: he said to several black congressmen okay, and people didn't

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01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 10: know what it meant, but what he said to them, okay,

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01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 10: we'll keep speaking out. So what he's saying is that

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01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 10: we have a portfolio. Whether they are having an extra

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01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 10: marriage or affair, whether they're into what some people will

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01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 10: call perverted activity, or whether they had stolen something, whether

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01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 10: they cheated on their taxes, they start developing a portfolio

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01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 10: for you so that they can control you. And then

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01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 10: when we see it, we said, well, look, all our

1878
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 10: black politicians, none of them are speaking out and what

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01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 10: we haven't explained to them, and what our trial to

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01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 10: explain to the ressial black carcasses. You have to if

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01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 10: you're going to take these positions and you're truly going

1882
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 10: to be a part of the solution, understand that they

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01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 10: are collecting intelligence on you. Even as they pat you

1884
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,560
Speaker 10: on your back and smile you. If you invite you

1885
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 10: to dinner, have you get speeches and promote you to

1886
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 10: certain positions or committees in Congress. They're grading intelligence and

1887
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 10: you need to put people around you to make sure

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01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 10: that you are protected. Mayor Daily of Chicago once says

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01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 10: something and the people in Chicago got bad towards fee minutes.

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01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 10: Mayor Daily said, when he was asked by the press,

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01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 10: they said, you got only your family around you. And

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01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 10: then Mayor Daily, this is the first Mayor Daily Singer,

1893
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 10: not the last. Mayor Daily Junior, who is also mayor.

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01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 10: The Mayor Daily Singer said, I believe in nepotism. He said.

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01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 10: The people around me are highly qualified. But if you're

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01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:46,640
Speaker 10: going to be close to me, if you're going to

1897
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:48,759
Speaker 10: know my secrets, if you're going to know my schedule,

1898
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:50,559
Speaker 10: if you're going to know what I talk about when

1899
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:52,560
Speaker 10: I'm off record and on record, you're going to be

1900
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 10: a family member. He said, I'm not denying that I

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01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 10: put family around me. He said, actually, I believe in

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01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 10: nepotism as long as they're qualified. He was that bold

1903
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 10: to say that, but there was some There was some

1904
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 10: that there's something in that statement that is really strategic.

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01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 10: And what he's saying is that if you are a

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01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 10: public figure, people around you, and then maybe intelligence agency

1907
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 10: see FTERI police are always trying to see what your

1908
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:20,360
Speaker 10: weaknesses is so they can use it to extort you

1909
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 10: on certain votes or on certain issues that you can't

1910
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:27,680
Speaker 10: speak strongly about because you know you are fully compromised.

1911
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 10: And so what I tried to tell a progression of

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01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 10: Black Caucus in.

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01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 5: That closed session.

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01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 10: I think they should have it every single year. I

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01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 10: think it should be a requirement for anyone running for

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01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 10: office or about to take office, is that they are

1917
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 10: going to be gathering intelligence on you. I'm not trying

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01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 10: to make you paranoid. I'm trying to make you prepared

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01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 10: so be righteous, because if you're righteous, you never have

1920
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 10: to bow down to what they want you to do,

1921
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 10: even when you know it's wrong.

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01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 3: And so I hold.

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01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 1: I thought, right there. Does the FBI ever fabricate information?

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01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 1: Then you didn't do something that put it in there

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01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,640
Speaker 1: and those reports, or can you say that everything in

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01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 1: the FBI collects is truthful.

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01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 10: No, you're absolutely right. They do fabricate. They have a

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01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 10: category called friends of the Bureau, which are people in

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01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 10: the press and every major press, I don't care whether

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01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 10: there's a conservative press or a liberal press, whether it's

1931
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 10: the Washington Post or whether it's the Washington Times, and

1932
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 10: they can call those people and say print this article,

1933
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 10: and the reporter in that position won't ask whether it's

1934
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 10: true or not, because what he or she knows that

1935
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 10: if I print this article for the bureau and we

1936
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 10: call them fob's friends of the Bureau, then they will

1937
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 10: give me access and these stories that will make my

1938
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 10: career great. In other words, if you print this for us,

1939
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 10: the next time we get a sensational story, we're not

1940
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 10: gonna give it to the rest of the press. We're

1941
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 10: gonna get you. You're gonna be the best reporter at

1942
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 10: that paper. But for that, that has to be a

1943
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 10: quick pro quote. And for that you have to print

1944
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,639
Speaker 10: stories that we write, even if they're not true, which

1945
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:04,680
Speaker 10: is why we always say, it doesn't mean that all

1946
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 10: of it isn't true. But that's why we always say

1947
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,679
Speaker 10: you have to cross reference your material. The late great

1948
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:13,679
Speaker 10: Dick Gregory was good at reading fifteen different papers, because

1949
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 10: if you had a Friends of the Bureau in one paper,

1950
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 10: you're not likely to have one in a British paper.

1951
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 10: So I want to hear how the British described the story.

1952
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:25,200
Speaker 10: I want to know how the Chicago Defender, the Black

1953
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 10: Paper described the story. And I want to know how

1954
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 10: some other paper, the New York Times, the New York

1955
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 10: posed to Washington. So I want to compare and cross reference. Now,

1956
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,920
Speaker 10: when we're in college, they always tell us when we're

1957
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 10: writing papers or dissertations, as are different my PhD. They

1958
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 10: always tell us to cross reference your sources. Because one

1959
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 10: source said it doesn't mean it's true. So find another source,

1960
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 10: and another source and another source that verifies this information,

1961
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 10: and they have a pattern of this, and then it's

1962
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,640
Speaker 10: more likely to be true than not. Still doesn't mean

1963
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 10: it's absolutely true, but what they were able to do

1964
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 10: Friends of the Bill is poy port that. But let

1965
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 10: me just have this too. They call some of it,

1966
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:07,479
Speaker 10: you're absolutely right. A lot of them fabricated. But a

1967
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 10: lot of our politicians are in love with the position,

1968
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 10: and when they get in those offices, they become friendly

1969
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 10: with people who are not friendly with them. They'd go

1970
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 10: to dinner, they reveal information. I won't speak of it

1971
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 10: in name, but when I was with the FBI working

1972
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 10: counter intelligence, we had an individual who would hang out

1973
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 10: with other congressmen and they were and we were monitoring them.

1974
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:33,800
Speaker 10: And these other congressmen who were white, were having extra

1975
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 10: maririal affairs. He would go to their house, he would

1976
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 10: get drunk, he would sleep on the floor, so on

1977
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 10: and so forth. But they were protected. He wasn't. They

1978
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 10: had all this information on him. So when he decided

1979
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 10: to become bold or not go along with the group,

1980
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 10: or not vote on a certain issue, they would come

1981
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 10: back and say, look, we got pictures of you when

1982
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:52,480
Speaker 10: you were out here, when you were out there when

1983
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 10: we were He said, you were doing this too. They said,

1984
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 10: I know, but you don't have any pictures. See, you

1985
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 10: were doing what we were doing, but we were gathering

1986
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 10: intelligence on you. You were participating, but you don't have

1987
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 10: any proof. We have proof of this, and if you

1988
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 10: don't vote a certain way, then we will reveal this information.

1989
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 10: I think that's so important for every politician, black politician,

1990
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 10: politician of color to know as they run for office,

1991
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 10: just like this, and they want to briefix you this.

1992
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 10: When immigrants come to this country, the intelligence agencies actually

1993
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 10: tell them that you had better be with us. So

1994
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:32,640
Speaker 10: you have so many people of Hispanic origin who voted

1995
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 10: for or Latin X who have voted for Donald Trump

1996
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 10: because they said, listen, it is better that you be

1997
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 10: with us, because they are the lowest of the lowest

1998
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 10: talking about blacks, and unless you vote with us, then

1999
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 10: you'll be lower than them and will treat you like

2000
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 10: we treat them. So sometimes they're doing it our strategic purposes.

2001
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 10: That's how strong this intelligence apparatus is, and that's why

2002
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 10: it's important for us almost every nation that is able

2003
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 10: to defend itself. And this is where we get to

2004
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 10: iran in advanced intelligence operations. Black people in this country,

2005
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 10: because they're kind of colonized the citizens of the United States,

2006
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 10: but we're kind of colonized, need an independent intelligence organization

2007
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 10: to say, we want to see before you responded to this,

2008
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 10: let us see what the angle is. Someplace that a

2009
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 10: congressman or a mayor or a city council person can

2010
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 10: call and we say, okay, they asking me about this,

2011
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 10: and then we can say, well, what's their angle, and

2012
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 10: then we can give them that from intelligence. That's how

2013
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 10: the world works. So the Iranians with their massive intelligence operation,

2014
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 10: because remember they've been under attack for a very long time,

2015
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 10: the overthrow of the Shah, the Iranian Revolution, the CIA

2016
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 10: creating gangs inside of the Iran all of Iran when

2017
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 10: they had the first revolution during the Krter administration to

2018
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 10: afford Kara into that administration, all the way into the

2019
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 10: Reagan administration, when the CIA placed gangs in their country,

2020
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 10: created uprising, gave them Molotov cocktails and paid them off.

2021
01:56:57,240 --> 01:57:00,200
Speaker 10: They made people financially destitute, and then they get paid

2022
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 10: them money if they would be a part of what

2023
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 10: they called a revolution. The people of Iran are rising up,

2024
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 10: and really what they are are paid gang members by

2025
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 10: the CIA and the other agencies. And these people are

2026
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 10: so desperate that they are willing to take the money.

2027
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 10: Just like the people who set up Fred Hampton Senior

2028
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 10: to do these operations. The Iranians are completely aware of that.

2029
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 10: They are not a nation that don't understand the difference

2030
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 10: between intelligence and informants. They understand intelligence and they also

2031
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 10: are very strategic. We assume that because the United States

2032
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 10: had the greatest military in the world, that they have

2033
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 10: the greatest intelligence agencies, and not not necessarily true. The massade,

2034
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 10: to be quite frank with, you have an extreme intelligence

2035
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 10: operation that they run in this country and around the world,

2036
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 10: and Iran has an extreme intelligence operation. So Iran probably

2037
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 10: at this particular point, are not going to fire all

2038
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 10: their missiles. They're they will hope the United States will

2039
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 10: put boots on the ground because they have felt like

2040
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 10: in every war with the US to put boots on

2041
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,640
Speaker 10: the ground, that they able to do more damage, whether

2042
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 10: it was in Iraq, whether it was in Afghanistan. With

2043
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 10: for a twenty year war, they're willing to fight a

2044
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 10: hundred year war on the ground. So they're not They're

2045
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 10: going to fight back to resist. Some they're never gonna

2046
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,920
Speaker 10: surrender because they have no other place to go. People

2047
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 10: who surrender say I'm surrender and I'll go here rather

2048
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 10: than there. I'll leave here and I'll go there. They

2049
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:21,920
Speaker 10: have no other place to go. This is their country,

2050
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 10: this is their land, and if they surrender, they had

2051
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 10: no other place to go, and they are part of

2052
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 10: their philosophy is strategic and secular. Another part of it

2053
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 10: is very deeply religious. So they're not they're not going

2054
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 10: to They may back up, and they they truly believe

2055
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:40,840
Speaker 10: based on the intelligence report, so that the retreat is

2056
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 10: not a surrender. Maybe we back up, maybe we slow down,

2057
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 10: and just where they think we've falling asleep, just when

2058
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:50,320
Speaker 10: the president declares that we have won this war, then

2059
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:52,840
Speaker 10: we put other operations in place. So I think that's

2060
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 10: why you're hearing the intelligence or possible joint operations on

2061
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 10: the coast of California, and they'll probably those those those

2062
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 10: operations are probably not imminent, but they're probably playing again.

2063
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 10: You have people from Armenia who are taking revenge for

2064
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:09,920
Speaker 10: incidents that occurred to them that they believe they were

2065
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:13,360
Speaker 10: wrongly done by other nations that happened seventy years ago

2066
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 10: seven zero. We say that vengeance is a dish best

2067
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 10: served cold. They actually believe that we may not get

2068
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 10: you this year, we may not get you in five years,

2069
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 10: we may not get you in ten years, we may

2070
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:27,120
Speaker 10: not even get you, but we may get your children

2071
01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:29,440
Speaker 10: and your children's children. But they're going to be concert

2072
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 10: princes and repercussions for this destruction that you caused. Any

2073
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 10: intelligence agencies already know that, they've already put that in writing.

2074
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:41,959
Speaker 10: They've witnessed that in Afghanistan, because at that point Osama

2075
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,040
Speaker 10: bin Laden and said, we'll fight a hundred year war.

2076
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 10: He said, I won't even be here to see the

2077
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 10: end of it, but we'll fight a hundred year war

2078
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 10: before we give up our land in Afghanistan. We don't

2079
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:52,760
Speaker 10: care how many people you sent over here, how much

2080
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 10: you bomb, and how long you bomb. We're willing to

2081
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,400
Speaker 10: fight a hundred year war. And that's the situation we're

2082
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 10: dealing with now. We're dealing with. The nation understand these

2083
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 10: battles because they've been fought. They fought them a long time.

2084
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 10: They understand the central intelligence agents. They dealt with Ronald

2085
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 10: Reagan and Jimmy Carter and Ford and Nixon with the

2086
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:13,400
Speaker 10: same kind of intervention, and they are willing to wait

2087
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:16,280
Speaker 10: it out. So it can be a long and difficult process.

2088
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,920
Speaker 10: What looks like success can be just delayed. A hume

2089
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 10: response from them, and which is why you're getting intelligence

2090
02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:27,760
Speaker 10: reports saying that they heard information about a drone attack

2091
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,360
Speaker 10: on the West coast and they may not even be

2092
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 10: talking about it in the next year or two, but

2093
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:35,080
Speaker 10: they're saying it's coming. And the intelligence agencies here are

2094
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:37,800
Speaker 10: wise enough to know that these people say what they mean,

2095
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 10: and they mean what they say. That timing may not

2096
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 10: be our timing, but they say what they mean and

2097
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:43,920
Speaker 10: they mean what they say, which is why they have

2098
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:44,840
Speaker 10: to put out that alert.

2099
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:47,200
Speaker 1: All right, twenty six away from the topee. I was

2100
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:49,600
Speaker 1: speaking about that the sleeper sales. If you can explain

2101
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 1: to the family what are sleeper sales? Should we be

2102
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:55,000
Speaker 1: concerned is this is where the FBI and the CIA

2103
02:00:55,120 --> 02:00:56,280
Speaker 1: get their information from.

2104
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:00,320
Speaker 10: Well, there's numerous sleeper sales in this particular country. Let

2105
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:02,600
Speaker 10: me tell you how the cell structure work and count

2106
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 10: in television and terrorism. So I may have a cell

2107
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 10: and they try to duplicate this, try to use this philosophy.

2108
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 10: In the movie Reservoir Dogs. You mister blue or mister black,

2109
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 10: I'm mister Red. So you know, within a cell, the

2110
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:21,080
Speaker 10: members of a cell may not know each other's real name,

2111
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 10: but they're all in one cell, and that cell go

2112
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,240
Speaker 10: about their daily life in America, and then they're not,

2113
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 10: they're not, and when they're activated. When the country, the

2114
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 10: host country, whether it's Russia or Iran or Iraq, Afghanistan

2115
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:39,600
Speaker 10: or some other country who use the cell system, activate

2116
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:41,720
Speaker 10: that cell, they wake it up, and when they wake

2117
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:44,320
Speaker 10: it up, they give it a mission. So but when

2118
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 10: they give it a mission, they go to carry out

2119
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 10: that mission. That's what we saw on nine eleven. But

2120
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 10: even if even if a member of that cell is caught,

2121
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:55,440
Speaker 10: then that member can't give up the other members because

2122
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 10: that member never knew their real name. That's how they

2123
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:00,680
Speaker 10: set up the system. Then let me show the origin

2124
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 10: of this is not from the so called Middle East.

2125
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:06,320
Speaker 10: The origin is this from Latin America. And that's still

2126
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:10,880
Speaker 10: she Gavera, Frans Fernan and Frans for non never carried

2127
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,400
Speaker 10: out a terrorist attack, but he wrote about it when

2128
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:16,440
Speaker 10: he said that the greatest threat to Latin Americans mental

2129
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:21,040
Speaker 10: health was the middle class or the upper class from

2130
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 10: the United States of America, which is why he said

2131
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:25,920
Speaker 10: you should carry out attacks against them. But he wrote

2132
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:30,760
Speaker 10: in that about creating a system of sales and and

2133
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:34,640
Speaker 10: and then other people in Latin America came up with

2134
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:38,680
Speaker 10: the cell system and in his book on guerrilla warfare,

2135
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:41,960
Speaker 10: and that's still sche Gavera wrote about this is how

2136
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:44,120
Speaker 10: you do it. This is how a small group of people,

2137
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:46,480
Speaker 10: which is what happened in Cuban during the Cuban Revolution

2138
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:50,640
Speaker 10: can overthrow a more advanced army is through this cell system.

2139
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:51,400
Speaker 10: Being a month.

2140
02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't write that, doctor pal. This is really interesting,

2141
02:02:54,040 --> 02:02:55,839
Speaker 1: but we got to step aside for a few moments.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the family's got questions for you tweeting

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Speaker 1: me questions. But if you want to speak to doctor

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Speaker 1: Tyren Powers directly, just reach out to us. Eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and were ticket

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling

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Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning with our guest, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Powers is a former FBI agent. It's got a

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Speaker 1: book out by the way. It's got ice to my soul,

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Speaker 1: The Rise or Decline of a black FBI agent. And

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Speaker 1: he was you'd call a special agent with the FBI

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Speaker 1: when he was in the in the department. And before

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Speaker 1: we left, we're talking about sleeper cells because there are

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Speaker 1: reports about sleeper cells all across not just this country,

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Speaker 1: all across the world, that Iran has sleeper cells. We

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Speaker 1: don't know when they're going to make a move, and

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Speaker 1: it's explaining how this the setup and when they do

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Speaker 1: make a move. So continue again and tell us more

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Speaker 1: about these sleeper sales, doctor powers.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so that's that's how the Selle system works. It

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Speaker 10: is it is not a design, just how the Iran

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Speaker 10: I mean the Russians use it, how the other countries

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Speaker 10: use it. But the Iranians, you talk about them being

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Speaker 10: having an advanced and intelligence agency, they now the backwards

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Speaker 10: group of people. And they had to have that because

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Speaker 10: the Israeli massade is so advanced. You remember when the

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Speaker 10: Israeli massade handed out cell phones and then ended up

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Speaker 10: killing with the individual who they identified as a terrorist

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Speaker 10: in Iran, the engineer, and they gave them a cell phone,

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Speaker 10: let them use it for a few and they had

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Speaker 10: already had it. So the next time they call them

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Speaker 10: and exploded and blew up in his hand, they gave

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Speaker 10: him cell phone. So the intelligence operations are very sophisticated.

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Speaker 10: The cell system means that these people and I may

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Speaker 10: never activate them, I may never They can live, they

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Speaker 10: can go about their daily life, they can have friendship,

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Speaker 10: they can have neighbors. But when they get a call

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Speaker 10: that this cell is activated, then we wake them up. So,

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Speaker 10: for example, on nine eleven we talked about the four

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Speaker 10: incidents where the four planes blew up, But at the

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Speaker 10: time there was more than fifteen to twenty sleeper cells here.

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Speaker 10: They just didn't activate them. The four cells that would

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Speaker 10: activating them that carried out those flights were the ones

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Speaker 10: that they activated. They had other cells that were supposed

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Speaker 10: to other things. Remember Chicago and the Ceaus Tower was

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Speaker 10: supposed to be a target. There was a target in

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Speaker 10: la They would never activate it because what the leadership

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Speaker 10: of the group believe was the success of the attack

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Speaker 10: on the pentagona, on the World Trade Center and the

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Speaker 10: other places. But let's not make any mistake about it.

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Speaker 10: The United States of America do the exact thing in

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Speaker 10: every other country in the world. The Russians do the

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Speaker 10: same thing, and every other country in the world. They

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Speaker 10: have this cell system. We just call them intelligence agents.

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Speaker 10: We've been putting intelligence agents and embedding them in other

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Speaker 10: countries for century. We just don't call it a sell.

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Speaker 10: We just said we have an agent there, or we

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Speaker 10: sent an agent here. There have been numerous movies about

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Speaker 10: agents that we sent into Germany, in the Russia, in

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Speaker 10: the Israel as a matter of fact, in Great Britain,

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Speaker 10: because as I said before last time, I was on

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Speaker 10: no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests, as

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Speaker 10: Eisenhower said, and he was the one that empowered the

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Speaker 10: Allen and Foster Dallas and the Dallas brothers who ran

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Speaker 10: the State Department and the CIA at the time. And

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Speaker 10: they believe you had to have we call them intelligence agencies.

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Speaker 10: The Iranians call them cells. We call them sleeper cells.

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Speaker 10: But they have agents in place all over the city,

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Speaker 10: all over this nation and world, because they believe the

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Speaker 10: way you defeed in a country, if even if they

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Speaker 10: are more military advances by having intelligence agen So that's

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Speaker 10: why we know when the Russians launched a new nuclear

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Speaker 10: sub which they've launched they've got a tremendously advanced submarine

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Speaker 10: that runs silent underwater that we hadn't been able to locate.

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Speaker 10: But the fact that we know that they launch them

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Speaker 10: is based on satellite and assets in Russia that says

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Speaker 10: they've launched this particular sub nuclear powered sub that we

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Speaker 10: can't find. So they have an advantage over us because

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Speaker 10: they could fire from that sub and we won't even

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Speaker 10: know where it's coming from, so it's impossible to shoot

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Speaker 10: them down. That's what that's that's what how sales work.

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Speaker 10: But whether you call them sleeper cells, are just embedding

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Speaker 10: intelligence agencies and other nations. It's the exact same thing.

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Speaker 10: The Iranians are sophisticated enough to know it's necessary. For

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Speaker 10: a while, the Iraqis were too. The Chinese. When I

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Speaker 10: worked counter intelligence and was working in Detroit, Michigan, people

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Speaker 10: were concerned about it having the largest Herb population, and

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Speaker 10: the country was in Detroit area and they had a

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Speaker 10: large Jewish population there too. That's where they would send

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Speaker 10: their immigrants. All of them for some reason ended up

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Speaker 10: in Dearborn, Michigan and the areas in Michigan. But on

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Speaker 10: the other hand, the Chinese had sent students to the

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Speaker 10: University of Michigan who were supposed to be achieving degrees,

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Speaker 10: who are actually embedded to receive information and research they

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Speaker 10: could send back home so that they could Because a

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Speaker 10: lot of those colleges and universities are under grants from

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Speaker 10: the federal government to develop specific things, they're supposed to

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Speaker 10: keep them secret. But if I'm a student at the university,

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Speaker 10: I'm in that program. Then I can get that information

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Speaker 10: and send it back home. So they're not necessarily sales,

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Speaker 10: but they're students. But the operations are technically the same.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen away from the top with the new technolo doctor powers.

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Speaker 1: How do we know what's real and what's fake? On challenge?

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Speaker 1: Because I just got a report from one of our

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Speaker 1: London listeners, a video actually says the reports are around

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Speaker 1: the world about a serious possibility of a nuclear attack

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Speaker 1: on Iran from America and Israel. How do we know

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Speaker 1: if this information they're getting now you know it's not fabricated,

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Speaker 1: it's not put together because some of these things have

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Speaker 1: done real well just the FBI, the intelligence units do

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Speaker 1: they can they deter what's fake and what's real?

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Speaker 10: They can in most cases based on the asset. But

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Speaker 10: let me say something to you. Some information is either

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Speaker 10: it can it can be two ways. It can be fabricated,

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Speaker 10: it can be actually be in three ways actually in

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Speaker 10: fact true, and it can be also propaganda. In other words,

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Speaker 10: if in fact there's still a belief that the United

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Speaker 10: States and Israel having completely destroyed Iran's nuclear capabilities, then

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Speaker 10: those countries will put out something to say, well, we

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Speaker 10: think you still have nuclear capability, so we're gonna do

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Speaker 10: first strike, going to do a preemptive strike without nuclear capability,

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Speaker 10: So they may put that out to deterear the Iranians

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Speaker 10: from doing anything, if they even had the possibility of

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Speaker 10: doing anything. So some of us propaganda again, you know,

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Speaker 10: the Israeli agent who wrote the book By Way of

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Speaker 10: Deception said that all operations are conducted by way of deceptions.

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Speaker 10: And so there's good information, there's bad information. The intelligence

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Speaker 10: agencies usually know what's real and what's not real. Some

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Speaker 10: information they counter, some information they lay out there and

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Speaker 10: let's stay out there. And some information they put out

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Speaker 10: there so that they can what they believe they're doing

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Speaker 10: is confusing the enemy, remember the whole and that shouldn't

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Speaker 10: be any surprise of us who who have studied the

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Speaker 10: history of the world, everything from back from the Trojan

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Speaker 10: Horse to the to the D Day invasions. Doing World

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Speaker 10: War Two, when you made the Germans think you were

2277
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Speaker 10: coming this way, but you were coming that way. You

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Speaker 10: release newspapers, you release propaganda, You even sent assets over

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Speaker 10: there mislead them that you were not just agents but

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Speaker 10: double agents to tell them they're attacking here. When they're

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Speaker 10: attacked on d Day or the other beaches. So it's

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Speaker 10: not a new operation, but that's how that's how intelligence worked,

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Speaker 10: and the only people who haven't used it to his

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Speaker 10: full extent. To be quite frank with you of people

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Speaker 10: of colored, remember when Nelson Mandela came to power in

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Speaker 10: South Africa, the South African government had a very sophisticated

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Speaker 10: intelligence operation agency. They actually had nuclear weapons. And part

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Speaker 10: of the deal for Nelson Mandela to take power in

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Speaker 10: South Africa is that they had to dismanage the nuclear

2290
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 10: weapons program and they had to dismantle their intelligence apparatus.

2291
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:41,440
Speaker 10: Now and they they rebuilt it to an extent, but

2292
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Speaker 10: it's not what it was when the US, Great Britain

2293
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:48,160
Speaker 10: and Israel were supporting it during the Apotheide area. But

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Speaker 10: in order for him to become empower, the requirement, the

2295
02:10:53,480 --> 02:10:56,120
Speaker 10: quid pro quo was all of that had to be dismantled.

2296
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Speaker 10: So they dismantled all their nuclear weapons, the dismandered the

2297
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Speaker 10: entire intelligence operations that they were giving information. And then

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02:11:02,840 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 10: they said, don't worry about not having an intelligence operation

2299
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 10: because if you need intelligence, will give it to you.

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Speaker 10: We'll tell you what you need to know. The very

2301
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:14,640
Speaker 10: people who supported apart. Time was now saying all your

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02:11:14,680 --> 02:11:17,040
Speaker 10: intelligence should come for us. If it don't hear from us,

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Speaker 10: it is not true because you no longer have an

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02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 10: intelligence operation. The nations of the world, whether it's Israel, Russia, China, Japan,

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Speaker 10: all of those nations have advanced and strong intelligence operations

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Speaker 10: because they can believe that is the key to winning

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Speaker 10: and losing the war. Remember George Washington, even during the

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02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 10: Revolutionary War here said wars are won and off based

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Speaker 10: on secrets. He was a strong advocate of intelligence, and

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Speaker 10: he used intelligence agents in the British Army to give

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02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:46,680
Speaker 10: him information so he could have an advantage because the

2312
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Speaker 10: British was much stronger during the Revolutionary War. So every

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02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 10: nation that is powerful. In India and Pakistan, they developed

2314
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:59,360
Speaker 10: nuclear weapons because they believed that they could never be

2315
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:01,600
Speaker 10: attacked by the United States of anyone else. But they

2316
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 10: had nuclear weapons and they're increasing their nuclear capability. But

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02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:07,280
Speaker 10: they don't even get mentioned. In India and Pakistan, they

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02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:10,920
Speaker 10: have advanced nuclear capability. So no matter how much we

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02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:13,400
Speaker 10: like them or dislike them, or whether you like what

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02:12:13,480 --> 02:12:16,320
Speaker 10: they're doing or not what they're doing, you're not going

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Speaker 10: to invade those nations. Because you know they have advanced

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02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:23,920
Speaker 10: nuclear capability, and the intelligence agency said, this is the terrence,

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Speaker 10: This is the concept of MAD. As you know, MATH

2324
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:29,200
Speaker 10: stands for mutually assured destruction. Anything you do to me,

2325
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Speaker 10: I'll do to you. These nations have advanced intelligence operations.

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Speaker 10: I've said over and over again even to certain political

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Speaker 10: groups in this country. Unless we develop an internal intelligence

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Speaker 10: group to provide us with some intelligence information to see

2329
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:49,320
Speaker 10: what angle these disinformation is coming from, then we will

2330
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Speaker 10: always be reactive and emotional rather than proactive and anticipatory.

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Speaker 1: Not away from Thomas is checking in from Maryland. Has

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Speaker 1: a question for you, doctor Powers. Grand right, Thomas Shall

2333
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:02,000
Speaker 1: about the tyrone powers?

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Speaker 14: Yes, Grant Brison, I wanted to ask the question about

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Speaker 14: we know that both agencies, FBI and the CIA, they

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02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:17,800
Speaker 14: both do the devil's work. But what is the difference

2337
02:13:18,400 --> 02:13:25,200
Speaker 14: in the agencies? Could you clarify the function of both

2338
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:32,320
Speaker 14: agencies or it's the central meaning nationwide and FBI meaning locally.

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02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:34,720
Speaker 14: What's the difference in these devils?

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Speaker 10: That's all. The CIA didn't even come into existence in

2341
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:43,480
Speaker 10: nineteen forty eight, the FBI been in existence since nineteen

2342
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 10: oh nine. They would turn it more into an intelligence

2343
02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:49,120
Speaker 10: operation and an intelligence agency in the nineteen twenties where

2344
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:53,720
Speaker 10: they had both responsibility for criminal activity and intelligence operations

2345
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 10: because of US after World War Two, and the Germans

2346
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Speaker 10: had put sleeper sales in the United States and we

2347
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Speaker 10: know that because we were finding German and sells, German

2348
02:14:01,640 --> 02:14:06,240
Speaker 10: submarines and the harbor. They would use these small submarines

2349
02:14:06,640 --> 02:14:09,840
Speaker 10: to import their people, talking about illegal immigration, and then

2350
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Speaker 10: they would leave the subs abandon them, and that people

2351
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:16,040
Speaker 10: would come out of the subs and integrate into the community.

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Speaker 10: So the FBI was created in nineteen oh nine. Before

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Speaker 10: the CIA, it was the Office of Strategic Intelligence. But

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Speaker 10: at every time this country has an attack, whether it's

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Speaker 10: Pearl Harbor, then they decide we don't have enough intelligence.

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Speaker 10: Remember the Department of Homeland Security was created after nine

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Speaker 10: eleven attacks. We need to be more robust because people

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Speaker 10: are advanced past us now. So the CIA came into

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Speaker 10: existence in nineteen forty eight after World War two because

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Speaker 10: the consensus was we didn't have enough intelligence. Technically, when

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Speaker 10: the CIA came into existence, they were supposed to gather

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Speaker 10: intelligence outside the country. The FBI under Jaga Hoover negotiated

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Speaker 10: that the FBI would be the domestic intelligence agency. The

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Speaker 10: CIA wouldn't conduct intelligence operations in the United States, but

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Speaker 10: they would conduct them outside of the United States, and

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Speaker 10: they would not have arrest powers or any of that.

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Speaker 10: They could only gather intelligence. Hoover negotiated this because he

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Speaker 10: did not want competition from another agency and he did

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Speaker 10: not want his budget impacted. He was very territorial, and

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Speaker 10: he decided that if Congress was to pass this, and

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Speaker 10: he had the ability to influence and pressure Congress because

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Speaker 10: he kept secrets on all of them, including every President

2373
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Speaker 10: of the United States, to say that, okay, go ahead

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Speaker 10: and create the Central Intelligence Agency, but they cannot have

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02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:49,640
Speaker 10: arrest powers and they cannot have authority within the United States.

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Speaker 10: The authority had to be outside of the United States

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Speaker 10: because the domestic intelligence group would be the FBI. So

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Speaker 10: technically that's what it was. So here's here's the funny

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Speaker 10: about that, the or the awkward part about that. The

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Speaker 10: Central Intelligence Agency didn't have the power of arrest, but

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02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:09,480
Speaker 10: they had the power of assassination. They could remove you

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Speaker 10: with extreme prejudice. They could remove you from existence, which

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Speaker 10: is why they overthrew governments participated in assassinations and so

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Speaker 10: on and so forth, but they couldn't arrest you. Even

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Speaker 10: when a member of their organization, Aldridge Ames, who was

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02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:25,920
Speaker 10: a spy, a double agent working in the CIA, was

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02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:28,560
Speaker 10: found out, the FBI had to go arrest him at

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Speaker 10: his office in the CIA, because even in their own office,

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02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:34,480
Speaker 10: the CIA couldn't arrest them. The CIA could have killed them,

2390
02:16:34,760 --> 02:16:36,440
Speaker 10: but they couldn't arrest them, and they didn't want to

2391
02:16:36,520 --> 02:16:39,160
Speaker 10: kill them because they needed to find out what information

2392
02:16:39,320 --> 02:16:41,520
Speaker 10: he gave out and what countries he gave it to.

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02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:44,480
Speaker 10: So if they wanted to hold him in custody, they

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02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:47,280
Speaker 10: had to allow the FBI to arrest him and then

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02:16:47,320 --> 02:16:50,320
Speaker 10: they could participate in the interrogation. Which is why when

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Speaker 10: the CIA was doing what we call extraordinary rendition, which

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Speaker 10: I mean picking people up off the street, they would

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Speaker 10: take them to another country and in that they would say, well,

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Speaker 10: we don't have them, the Egyptians have them, and then

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Speaker 10: the CIA would signed to deal with the Egyptians to

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02:17:06,760 --> 02:17:09,440
Speaker 10: torture them, so they wouldn't validate the Aphel member in

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02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:12,200
Speaker 10: this country accruding and the usual punishment, but the CIA

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02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:14,640
Speaker 10: would be standing right there. And then finally the court said,

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02:17:14,720 --> 02:17:19,080
Speaker 10: extraordinary rendition is also illegal. You can't pick people up here,

2405
02:17:19,480 --> 02:17:21,959
Speaker 10: take them to another country and have them torture, because

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02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:25,160
Speaker 10: that is essentially an arrest because you're restricting their freedom.

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Speaker 10: But they did that, especially after the nine eleven attacks.

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02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:30,320
Speaker 10: The CIA participated in that. That's how some of the

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Speaker 10: people got to Guantanamo Bay through this process of extraordinary rendition.

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Speaker 10: But they were people picking people up. But that's technically

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Speaker 10: the difference between the agencies.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me just say this to you and hold

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Speaker 1: up thought right there at Doctor Palser gott to step

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Speaker 1: aside and so stations can identify themselves down the line,

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Speaker 1: won't come back. I'll let you finish your thought, and

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Speaker 1: please add what's the difference between the British intalents I

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Speaker 1: five and MI six. Was the CIA and the FI

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Speaker 1: founded because on the I five and I six the bridge? Ill,

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Speaker 1: did you explain it when we get back? As I

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Speaker 1: mentioned in that station's got to identify themselves down the

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Speaker 1: line per the FCC. But we're just discussing with our guest,

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Speaker 1: the former FBI agent doctor Tyrone. Powers. You want to

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Speaker 1: join the conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and grind rising. Family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Thursday morning. I guess

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Speaker 1: the former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers, Doctor Powers. This

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Speaker 1: book is called Ice to My Soul, The Rise or

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Speaker 1: Decline of a Black FBI Agent. Before we go back

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Speaker 1: to Doctor Powers, though, Kevin, we've got something special going

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Speaker 1: All right. As I mentioned, we a little friendly rivally

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Speaker 1: with our other stations in the building too, So don't

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Speaker 1: let us down, family, because we want bragging rights when

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Speaker 1: this is all over tomorrow. So if you don't get

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Speaker 1: a chance to donate this morning, if you're on the

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Speaker 1: way to work or something, you can call in later

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Speaker 1: today and also make your pledge. So thank you for

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Speaker 1: doing that. Thanks Kevin, Thank you, Carl. All Right, doctor Powers,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought. And I asked you

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Speaker 1: about I five I six of the British Intelligence if

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Speaker 1: with our intelligency apparatus set up on theirs.

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Speaker 10: Yes, so actually the British m I five and m

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Speaker 10: I six is considered like our FBI and CIA domestic

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02:20:40,840 --> 02:20:45,240
Speaker 10: intelligence and international intelligence, but they still work together. In fact,

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02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:50,160
Speaker 10: there's a numerous intelligence agencies in this country just for information.

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02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,680
Speaker 10: Now just the FBI and the CIA, there's a Defense

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Speaker 10: Intelligence Agency. The State Department had their own intelligence apparatus,

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02:20:57,560 --> 02:21:00,760
Speaker 10: so technically they're all supposed to work to gather after

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02:21:00,920 --> 02:21:04,160
Speaker 10: nine eleven, when the nine eleven Commission came out with

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Speaker 10: the nine eleven report and they said the reason why

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02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:11,840
Speaker 10: this country was vulnerable on nine eleven was a fallue

2477
02:21:11,879 --> 02:21:15,360
Speaker 10: of imagination and a faue of communication. That's when they

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02:21:15,480 --> 02:21:18,039
Speaker 10: demanded that the agencies talk to each other because it'd

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02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:20,279
Speaker 10: be quite frank with you. Prior to that, the FBI

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02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:24,360
Speaker 10: and the CIA was in competition with each other for

2481
02:21:25,400 --> 02:21:30,039
Speaker 10: intelligence dollars. They went before the Senate Intelligence Committee, which

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02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:33,280
Speaker 10: is done secretly because nobody will tell you or no.

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Speaker 10: But the public can't know the intelligence budget for the

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02:21:36,120 --> 02:21:39,360
Speaker 10: United States because they believe that that that information get out,

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02:21:39,480 --> 02:21:41,879
Speaker 10: other countries will know how much money the United States

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Speaker 10: is spending on intelligence and they could use that to

2487
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Speaker 10: calculate how advance our intelligence apparatus is. After nine eleven,

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Speaker 10: you can see this if you go to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 10: There's a fusion center as you come into Washington, d C.

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Speaker 10: Now that didn't exist to after nine eleven. In that building.

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Speaker 10: Now all the intelligence agencies assigned at least two people

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Speaker 10: to that fusion center, and now they're supposed to communicate

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02:22:06,320 --> 02:22:11,320
Speaker 10: with each other, so the intelligence is not separated as

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02:22:11,360 --> 02:22:13,920
Speaker 10: it was. And initially when you had the FBI and

2495
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:17,199
Speaker 10: the CIA in nineteen forty eight who didn't share intelligence,

2496
02:22:17,240 --> 02:22:19,400
Speaker 10: they actually were supposed to be working together, but in

2497
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:21,800
Speaker 10: many cases they worked against each other because they were

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02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:24,440
Speaker 10: competing for the same dollars and there was a belief

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02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:26,680
Speaker 10: that if they competed for the same dallas, both would

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Speaker 10: have better intelligence. But after nine eleven that changed with

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02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,840
Speaker 10: the nine eleven Commission report. And again you can drive

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02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:35,840
Speaker 10: by that fusion center in Washington, d C. Where all

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02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:38,560
Speaker 10: the agencies. You can't go in there, but you can

2504
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:41,520
Speaker 10: drive by where all the agencies put people together, and

2505
02:22:41,640 --> 02:22:45,520
Speaker 10: now they share information. The British were much more advanced

2506
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:49,040
Speaker 10: in terms of intelligence operations because remember at one time

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02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:52,080
Speaker 10: the British Empire. They used to say the son never

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02:22:52,160 --> 02:22:55,360
Speaker 10: set on the British Empire because they essentially controlled the

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02:22:55,400 --> 02:22:58,840
Speaker 10: world and colonize the world. They had intelligence apparatus anywhere.

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02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:03,080
Speaker 10: The French had an advanced intelligence apparatus too, even though

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02:23:03,160 --> 02:23:07,440
Speaker 10: their military wasn't as strong and their intelligence apparatus. So

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02:23:07,480 --> 02:23:10,000
Speaker 10: when they to give you a quick example, when they

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02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:15,320
Speaker 10: were in Vietnam and they were defeated essentially by the

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Speaker 10: viet Cong or the North Vibese. When the United States

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02:23:19,360 --> 02:23:21,680
Speaker 10: was about to go into Vietnam, the French said to

2516
02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:25,080
Speaker 10: the United States, based on their intelligence, don't go in here.

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02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:28,280
Speaker 10: It's a quagmarle. These people will never ever ever give up.

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02:23:28,360 --> 02:23:30,280
Speaker 10: You can kill a thousand of them to day, and

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02:23:30,360 --> 02:23:32,680
Speaker 10: then mark, they'll have a thousand more, the French warned

2520
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:35,480
Speaker 10: the United States. And then the United States said, well,

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02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:38,560
Speaker 10: we're not the French, We're stronger, we're better, and we

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02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:42,360
Speaker 10: will defeat them. And then of course that didn't happen either.

2523
02:23:42,480 --> 02:23:44,800
Speaker 10: But the French use their intelligence to try to advise

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02:23:44,840 --> 02:23:46,840
Speaker 10: the United States don't go into Vietnam. This is a

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02:23:46,879 --> 02:23:50,000
Speaker 10: quagmar You'll be here forever and they'll never surrender. I

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02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:52,920
Speaker 10: don't care if you bomb all of North Vietnam, if

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Speaker 10: you put troops on the ground, Listen, think about during

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Speaker 10: the Vietnam War, and probably some of your listeners were

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02:23:58,760 --> 02:24:01,880
Speaker 10: veterans during that war. Think about that the United States

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Speaker 10: will bomb the whole cheap Men trail every single night,

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Speaker 10: just dropped tons of bombing it and by morning, mothers, daughters, brothers,

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Speaker 10: children would rebuild that trail. So they would bomb it

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02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:18,080
Speaker 10: at night and by the time they left and went

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Speaker 10: and land the plane that was rebuilt in the morning.

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02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:23,360
Speaker 10: So that's and the French told the United States that

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Speaker 10: based on their intelligence apparatus, so the British, and there's

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Speaker 10: a wonderful book on some of it's called Ghost Soldiers,

2538
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:32,760
Speaker 10: which talk about intelligence apparatu that reason might call them

2539
02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:34,800
Speaker 10: ghost because you never see them, you never know they there,

2540
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:37,720
Speaker 10: and they were using every war and they called it's

2541
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:40,320
Speaker 10: called ghost soldiers. But the reality of the matter is

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02:24:40,480 --> 02:24:44,000
Speaker 10: is that that's the difference between the CIA and the FBI.

2543
02:24:44,400 --> 02:24:47,800
Speaker 10: But there are other intelligence agencies here and now there's

2544
02:24:47,959 --> 02:24:51,560
Speaker 10: less of a separation between the two because based on

2545
02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:55,920
Speaker 10: nine eleven, they're supposed to share information and work together.

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Speaker 1: Who jump here and ask you this question though about

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Speaker 1: another agency, sad uh. They're supposed to be regarded as

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Speaker 1: the best intelligent agency on the planet. Right now, that's

2549
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:09,520
Speaker 1: one question. Two questions, Why are they spying out the

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Speaker 1: United States? We give them so much money, billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars each day, and I don't think most people found

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Speaker 1: out about it. I think it was Jonathan Pollard or

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02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:22,320
Speaker 1: something like that. Explain why, why why Israel spying on

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Speaker 1: us if we're supposed to be their best friend?

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Speaker 10: See this, this is this is this is important. That's

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Speaker 10: a great question. First of all, the Israeli have an

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Speaker 10: extremely advanced intelligence operations. I wouldn't say they're any more

2558
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Speaker 10: advanced in the Central Intelligence Agency, but the things that

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02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:43,080
Speaker 10: they're willing to do unrestricted. In other words, for example,

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02:25:43,160 --> 02:25:44,920
Speaker 10: let me just give this as an aside, if you

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Speaker 10: hijack a plane in Israel, the Israelis, you can't, you

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02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:52,240
Speaker 10: can't negotiate with them. They'll kill the hostages and the

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Speaker 10: individual and the people don't hijack planes out of Israel

2564
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:58,480
Speaker 10: because they realize that Israel, if there's a terrorist on

2565
02:25:58,600 --> 02:26:01,480
Speaker 10: an airplane and he holding everybody houses, the Israelis will

2566
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:03,240
Speaker 10: blow the plane out of the sky and say that

2567
02:26:03,320 --> 02:26:06,240
Speaker 10: the people from Israel who got killed in that situation

2568
02:26:06,360 --> 02:26:09,440
Speaker 10: is just collateral damage. But They're so determined to kill

2569
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:12,080
Speaker 10: the terrorists that you can put somebody in front of you,

2570
02:26:12,160 --> 02:26:14,600
Speaker 10: you put a gun to their head and said back off. Well,

2571
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:17,560
Speaker 10: I'll shoot them, and the Israelis will shoot the person

2572
02:26:17,640 --> 02:26:20,400
Speaker 10: you're holding as a hostage and the terrorists at the

2573
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:23,120
Speaker 10: same time. And so that's just collateral damage. You gave

2574
02:26:23,160 --> 02:26:26,160
Speaker 10: your life for your country. They have a different philosophy

2575
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:28,440
Speaker 10: than we have here, even though I don't think they're

2576
02:26:28,480 --> 02:26:31,199
Speaker 10: more advanced. They have intelligence agents all over the world

2577
02:26:31,320 --> 02:26:35,680
Speaker 10: and they work in coordination with the Central Intelligence Agency.

2578
02:26:35,800 --> 02:26:39,240
Speaker 10: Because the United States have always felt that the Israelis

2579
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:43,600
Speaker 10: was an extension or the fifty first state in an

2580
02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:46,280
Speaker 10: area of the world that the US believed they needed

2581
02:26:46,320 --> 02:26:49,320
Speaker 10: to control because of the resources. Again, if you go

2582
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:55,360
Speaker 10: back to King Leopold, we talk about the holocausturing World

2583
02:26:55,400 --> 02:27:00,360
Speaker 10: War two. King Leopold killed eleven million Africans just to

2584
02:27:00,480 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 10: take control of the land, the minerals, the people, and

2585
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:08,040
Speaker 10: the divide them. There's no greater holocaust in the history

2586
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:11,680
Speaker 10: of the world than what the Belgians and King Leopold,

2587
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:14,440
Speaker 10: with the help of the British and the United States

2588
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:20,560
Speaker 10: did in the Congo. Eleven million people sloughted, murdered, rape ribed, subjugated,

2589
02:27:20,959 --> 02:27:23,360
Speaker 10: And we're not even teaching our children that, by the way,

2590
02:27:23,720 --> 02:27:26,040
Speaker 10: But that is the greatest holocaust in the history of

2591
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:29,880
Speaker 10: the world. And so the Massad work with all on

2592
02:27:29,959 --> 02:27:33,320
Speaker 10: the Rwanda genocide. Massad work with everybody and every and

2593
02:27:33,440 --> 02:27:36,240
Speaker 10: yet they spy on everybody and anybody. But that's not

2594
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:39,360
Speaker 10: surprising because the United States do too. There's a difference

2595
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:42,920
Speaker 10: between a relationship and an alliance. Doing World War Two,

2596
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:48,279
Speaker 10: you had an alliance the Russians, the United States, Japan,

2597
02:27:48,840 --> 02:27:51,240
Speaker 10: so on and so forth. Was part of an alliance.

2598
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:56,199
Speaker 10: We confused relationships with alliance. You can have a relationship

2599
02:27:56,240 --> 02:27:58,320
Speaker 10: with anyone. You can have a relationship with a prostitute.

2600
02:27:58,320 --> 02:28:00,440
Speaker 10: Doesn't mean you want the same thing. They want money,

2601
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:03,800
Speaker 10: you want sex. An alliance mean we want the exact

2602
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:07,440
Speaker 10: same thing. There's no your goal and my goal are

2603
02:28:07,640 --> 02:28:14,080
Speaker 10: exactly alike. Remember what Dwight Diasenhoward said when he's this president.

2604
02:28:14,360 --> 02:28:18,360
Speaker 10: No permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests. So

2605
02:28:18,360 --> 02:28:21,240
Speaker 10: the United States spire on Israel. Israel spawn in the

2606
02:28:21,360 --> 02:28:24,680
Speaker 10: United States despite we supposed to be allies because the

2607
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:27,280
Speaker 10: Israeli said never again. Even if we have to see

2608
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:31,519
Speaker 10: nuclear weapons at the United States. So we understand that relationship,

2609
02:28:31,560 --> 02:28:34,760
Speaker 10: or we should understand that relationship. We spire on the British.

2610
02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:37,360
Speaker 10: The British spoun in the United States, and they're supposed

2611
02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:40,880
Speaker 10: to be allies. We spire one on the Canadians. The

2612
02:28:40,959 --> 02:28:43,280
Speaker 10: Canadians spy in the United States, and they even more

2613
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:46,480
Speaker 10: so now because they believe the United States is hostile

2614
02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:49,119
Speaker 10: to the interests. At one point they said their interests

2615
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,480
Speaker 10: and our interests don't conflict. But now the things that

2616
02:28:51,879 --> 02:28:55,359
Speaker 10: President Trump have said had made them increased their intelligence

2617
02:28:55,440 --> 02:28:59,000
Speaker 10: operations in the United States, even though we consider them

2618
02:28:59,160 --> 02:29:03,000
Speaker 10: an ally of the United States. So every nation, do

2619
02:29:03,160 --> 02:29:05,920
Speaker 10: not believe that you are their friend permanently. You could

2620
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:08,360
Speaker 10: be their friend to night and their enemy tomorrow, and

2621
02:29:08,440 --> 02:29:12,040
Speaker 10: they give you a micro causing example. When I wore

2622
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:15,000
Speaker 10: counter intelligence and the FBI, they said to us and

2623
02:29:15,080 --> 02:29:18,280
Speaker 10: the intelligence classes, as an intelligence agents, you have to

2624
02:29:18,320 --> 02:29:21,000
Speaker 10: be able to kiss a family's baby in the morning

2625
02:29:21,320 --> 02:29:23,560
Speaker 10: and then kill the baby and the family at night,

2626
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:27,600
Speaker 10: and then take the moral high ground. That's how intelligence work.

2627
02:29:27,720 --> 02:29:30,960
Speaker 10: No permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests. And

2628
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:32,920
Speaker 10: that's why I said, it's so important for them. It

2629
02:29:33,080 --> 02:29:35,920
Speaker 10: was so important for them to dismantle be South African

2630
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:39,800
Speaker 10: intelligence after US, because once African nations understand truly how

2631
02:29:39,879 --> 02:29:44,280
Speaker 10: intelligence truly work. At one point which I was counted,

2632
02:29:44,280 --> 02:29:47,959
Speaker 10: I was supposed to go and train some intelligence agency

2633
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:51,000
Speaker 10: and Nigeria and then I won't get into the details

2634
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,360
Speaker 10: of why that changed. But the reality of the matter

2635
02:29:53,600 --> 02:29:55,879
Speaker 10: is the MASADE is advanced, but so is a central

2636
02:29:55,920 --> 02:29:58,640
Speaker 10: intelligence agent. So it's in MY five and m I six,

2637
02:29:59,040 --> 02:30:03,720
Speaker 10: and it definitely so is the Russian intelligence agencies. Because

2638
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:06,160
Speaker 10: the person who runs that country is the former head

2639
02:30:06,200 --> 02:30:12,200
Speaker 10: of the KGB. He's more advanced and more astute at intelligence.

2640
02:30:12,560 --> 02:30:16,760
Speaker 10: Him and President Trump are no match intellectually. Now militarily

2641
02:30:16,879 --> 02:30:20,040
Speaker 10: they may be equal because of the number of warhoods

2642
02:30:20,120 --> 02:30:22,800
Speaker 10: they have pointed at the United States. The Russians at

2643
02:30:22,879 --> 02:30:25,360
Speaker 10: last count had two hundred and fifty four nuclear warheads

2644
02:30:25,400 --> 02:30:27,840
Speaker 10: pointed at the United States. Many of them aim for

2645
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:30,080
Speaker 10: the area in which we live here in Maryland, because

2646
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:33,520
Speaker 10: you have all proving grounds, you have the Naval Academy,

2647
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:36,560
Speaker 10: you have NSA, and then you have Washington d C here.

2648
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:39,840
Speaker 10: But they have two hundred and fifty four nuclear warheads

2649
02:30:39,879 --> 02:30:42,600
Speaker 10: pointed at the United States. That's not even include the

2650
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:45,320
Speaker 10: warheads they have on nuclear subs and bombers which they

2651
02:30:45,440 --> 02:30:47,240
Speaker 10: keep in the air. And we have the same thing

2652
02:30:47,360 --> 02:30:49,600
Speaker 10: against Russian and China. The Russian and Chinese have to

2653
02:30:49,640 --> 02:30:52,280
Speaker 10: say so, if there's ever a nuclear war between the

2654
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:56,400
Speaker 10: two countries, nobody will exist. It will be because everybody's

2655
02:30:56,440 --> 02:30:59,880
Speaker 10: prepared to fight in any drones intercept and missiles won't

2656
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:03,160
Speaker 10: because they have nuclear subs, they have ground based missiles,

2657
02:31:03,200 --> 02:31:04,840
Speaker 10: and they have missiles in the air all the time.

2658
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:10,240
Speaker 10: Same thing with Russia and China against those other particular countries.

2659
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:12,240
Speaker 10: That's why Black that you don't care what you say

2660
02:31:12,600 --> 02:31:15,039
Speaker 10: about the Ukraine, and his philosophy is that if you're

2661
02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,920
Speaker 10: gonna arm the Ukrainians, if you're gonna give them weapons,

2662
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:20,240
Speaker 10: then we're gonna arm the Iranians. If you're gonna give

2663
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:23,280
Speaker 10: the Ukrainians intelligence, we're gonna give the Because as long

2664
02:31:23,320 --> 02:31:25,520
Speaker 10: as you are engaged in the war, we're glad you're

2665
02:31:25,560 --> 02:31:26,400
Speaker 10: engaged in that war.

2666
02:31:26,480 --> 02:31:27,120
Speaker 5: Because for a.

2667
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:29,200
Speaker 10: While you weren't engaged in the war, and we were

2668
02:31:29,320 --> 02:31:32,560
Speaker 10: engaged in the war, we were reducing our supply. You

2669
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:35,880
Speaker 10: weren't reducing your supply. We need that war with Iran

2670
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:39,200
Speaker 10: to go on a very long time because we need

2671
02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:43,440
Speaker 10: to reduce your munitions even as we're reducing our munitions

2672
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:46,320
Speaker 10: in the war. See, that's how heads of nations think.

2673
02:31:46,920 --> 02:31:48,920
Speaker 10: It is a benefit for you to be at war

2674
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:52,360
Speaker 10: with Iran, even though we're gonna give the Iranians the

2675
02:31:52,879 --> 02:31:56,680
Speaker 10: information and maybe even the weapons to prolong that war.

2676
02:31:57,000 --> 02:31:59,840
Speaker 10: Because as long as you're fighting them, the less munition

2677
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:03,160
Speaker 10: and military apparatus and military weapons you can give the

2678
02:32:03,320 --> 02:32:05,760
Speaker 10: Ukrainians because you got your own stuff going on. That's

2679
02:32:05,800 --> 02:32:08,880
Speaker 10: how it works, and that's how intelligence were gotcha.

2680
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Wow, fourteen half the top day. I got a bunch

2681
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:13,400
Speaker 1: of folks got questions for you, Doctor Powers. Let's start

2682
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:16,800
Speaker 1: in Atlanta B's online one Grand Rising be a question

2683
02:32:16,920 --> 02:32:18,160
Speaker 1: for doctor Powers.

2684
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:22,280
Speaker 6: A grand Rising and blah blah called Grand Rising, doctor

2685
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:26,560
Speaker 6: Tyrone or Bahlah Tyrone. Hopefully everyone's doing well in your family,

2686
02:32:26,840 --> 02:32:30,640
Speaker 6: safe and healthy. My question is what as stolen Africans

2687
02:32:30,680 --> 02:32:34,120
Speaker 6: as I like to call us as African Americans African world,

2688
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:37,560
Speaker 6: what can we learn from the Iranians any different nations

2689
02:32:37,640 --> 02:32:40,280
Speaker 6: how to protect oneself? Prepare one stuff? Because I'm very

2690
02:32:40,920 --> 02:32:46,720
Speaker 6: fascinated how these people endurance, their their conviction and how

2691
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:50,240
Speaker 6: so how can we apply some of their method understand

2692
02:32:50,280 --> 02:32:53,240
Speaker 6: that the psychology of what they're doing to repair ourselves

2693
02:32:53,440 --> 02:32:56,200
Speaker 6: to be a NAT turner and for generation to come.

2694
02:32:56,320 --> 02:32:59,880
Speaker 6: So I think you have an outstanding day. And again

2695
02:33:00,200 --> 02:33:00,879
Speaker 6: that's my question.

2696
02:33:01,160 --> 02:33:05,959
Speaker 10: That's a great by so much not only from the Iranians,

2697
02:33:06,680 --> 02:33:07,440
Speaker 10: but well hold.

2698
02:33:07,320 --> 02:33:08,840
Speaker 1: That thought right there, Doc, because we got to take

2699
02:33:08,840 --> 02:33:10,440
Speaker 1: a short break. I don't want to break your rhythm.

2700
02:33:10,600 --> 02:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Let's take the break and we can and you can

2701
02:33:12,920 --> 02:33:15,560
Speaker 1: answer BEA's questions. On the other side, family, you two

2702
02:33:15,720 --> 02:33:18,480
Speaker 1: can join this discussion with doctor Tyrone Powers is a

2703
02:33:18,520 --> 02:33:21,280
Speaker 1: former FBI agent. Reach out to us at eight hundred

2704
02:33:21,360 --> 02:33:24,160
Speaker 1: four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

2705
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:27,080
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

2706
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:28,720
Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Thursday morning with I

2707
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:31,520
Speaker 1: guess the former FBON agent doctor Tyrone Powers. Before we

2708
02:33:31,640 --> 02:33:34,840
Speaker 1: left for the breakthough, we're speaking with be calling out

2709
02:33:34,879 --> 02:33:36,840
Speaker 1: of the atl and they had a question for doctor Powers.

2710
02:33:36,879 --> 02:33:38,280
Speaker 1: So doctor Powers, I'm let you respond.

2711
02:33:39,400 --> 02:33:42,520
Speaker 10: It is so much we can learn in terms of strategy. Listen,

2712
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:45,640
Speaker 10: the student of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X said,

2713
02:33:46,720 --> 02:33:50,760
Speaker 10: out of all of our studies, history is best qualified

2714
02:33:50,840 --> 02:33:54,200
Speaker 10: to reward our research. And then biblically we say there's

2715
02:33:54,280 --> 02:33:59,200
Speaker 10: nothing new under the sun. The key have always been

2716
02:33:59,800 --> 02:34:03,879
Speaker 10: for them to keep up miseducated and keep us at

2717
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:07,520
Speaker 10: each other's throats. Even when Malcolm said don't confuse the

2718
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:10,840
Speaker 10: methods with the objectives, he said, be self aware but

2719
02:34:10,959 --> 02:34:15,280
Speaker 10: not self centered. In other words, don't argue with other

2720
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:18,480
Speaker 10: people about their methods. They're not doing this, they're not

2721
02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:21,520
Speaker 10: doing that. Focus on being excellent yourself. In fact, don't

2722
02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:24,920
Speaker 10: even worry about the outcome. For focus on the process.

2723
02:34:25,000 --> 02:34:30,480
Speaker 10: Doctor King the night before he was assassinated said, we'll

2724
02:34:30,520 --> 02:34:32,360
Speaker 10: get there as a people. I may not even get

2725
02:34:32,400 --> 02:34:34,360
Speaker 10: there with you. I'm not even worried about the outcome.

2726
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:36,680
Speaker 10: But if we keep doing what we're doing, if we

2727
02:34:36,800 --> 02:34:42,400
Speaker 10: focus on education and might mean strategy, structure, unity, then

2728
02:34:42,440 --> 02:34:44,840
Speaker 10: we'll get there. Not worrying about what this won't work

2729
02:34:44,959 --> 02:34:47,160
Speaker 10: or that won't. Forget about the outcome. The outcome is

2730
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:49,200
Speaker 10: for God to deal with. If your job to stay

2731
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:52,600
Speaker 10: involved in the process. That's how every intelligence agency worked

2732
02:34:52,840 --> 02:34:56,360
Speaker 10: when they gave us task in counter intelligence and counter terrorist,

2733
02:34:56,400 --> 02:34:58,920
Speaker 10: and they say, you just do this, don't worry. We

2734
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:03,000
Speaker 10: gotta we the objective. The outcome may not come for ten, twenty,

2735
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:07,440
Speaker 10: thirty forty years. But focus on this. This thing that

2736
02:35:08,360 --> 02:35:11,600
Speaker 10: and I've said this before, Carl, this thing of education

2737
02:35:11,720 --> 02:35:13,680
Speaker 10: in this nation. The fact that so many of our

2738
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:16,880
Speaker 10: young people are dripping our school are being miseducated. The

2739
02:35:16,959 --> 02:35:19,600
Speaker 10: fact that even in school systems that we control, like

2740
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:22,040
Speaker 10: Baltimore City, we had a black mayor black head of

2741
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:25,160
Speaker 10: the school system, so on and so forth. And it's

2742
02:35:25,240 --> 02:35:31,520
Speaker 10: the greatest counterintelligence, counter terrorism and then economic advancement agency

2743
02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:34,680
Speaker 10: in the country. Is education however you define it, but

2744
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:37,240
Speaker 10: it is education. And the fact that we've got fifty

2745
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:40,320
Speaker 10: and sixty percent dropout rates across the nation, the fact

2746
02:35:40,360 --> 02:35:42,720
Speaker 10: that children can't read and write. Look in Cuba, once

2747
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:45,640
Speaker 10: they signed the non Aggression Treaty with the United States,

2748
02:35:45,640 --> 02:35:48,520
Speaker 10: which means if the United States ever invade Cuba, they're

2749
02:35:48,600 --> 02:35:52,200
Speaker 10: automatically declaring war on Russia. Which is why the United

2750
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:55,760
Speaker 10: States having invaded Cuba on the because it's ninety miles away.

2751
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:58,800
Speaker 10: After the bad pigs, after the agreement, when they assigned

2752
02:35:58,879 --> 02:36:01,080
Speaker 10: that agreement, the Russian said, or take the nuclear weapons

2753
02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:03,560
Speaker 10: out of Cuba or a Cuban missile crisis. If you

2754
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:07,320
Speaker 10: sign this non aggression treaty, then the Cubans put most

2755
02:36:07,360 --> 02:36:09,640
Speaker 10: of their money in education. When I traveled with they

2756
02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:12,800
Speaker 10: have students on the third grade in third grade reading

2757
02:36:12,879 --> 02:36:14,879
Speaker 10: on the twelfth grade level. The reason why I went

2758
02:36:14,920 --> 02:36:16,560
Speaker 10: there as part of a delegation because they have a

2759
02:36:16,680 --> 02:36:20,040
Speaker 10: ninety nine percent literacy rate, so it's hard to trick them.

2760
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:23,039
Speaker 10: Frederick Douglas said, it's hard to make a slave out

2761
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:26,320
Speaker 10: of an educated person. And the way they have attacked

2762
02:36:26,400 --> 02:36:30,840
Speaker 10: us consistently is to make us emotional beings. That's why

2763
02:36:30,920 --> 02:36:34,240
Speaker 10: we love the reality TV shows and loving hip hop

2764
02:36:34,440 --> 02:36:37,080
Speaker 10: because they made us emotional. But if we ever get

2765
02:36:37,160 --> 02:36:40,440
Speaker 10: this education, PI stam, if we're ever in our schools,

2766
02:36:40,520 --> 02:36:44,160
Speaker 10: let's say hypothetical issusually as an example Baltimore City, because

2767
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:46,520
Speaker 10: we do have a black mayor and a black CEO

2768
02:36:46,600 --> 02:36:49,720
Speaker 10: of the school system who control billions of dollars in

2769
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:52,400
Speaker 10: the school. If we do start in pre k and

2770
02:36:52,520 --> 02:36:56,560
Speaker 10: in kindergarten teaching history and why math is important, math

2771
02:36:56,680 --> 02:37:00,280
Speaker 10: engineering and all that, then netwill help significantly. That's what

2772
02:37:00,400 --> 02:37:04,160
Speaker 10: other countries do. Even though they people say that these

2773
02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:07,680
Speaker 10: are Islamic countries, and religion is most important. Most of

2774
02:37:07,720 --> 02:37:11,320
Speaker 10: their education is secular, even though they're in an Islamic country,

2775
02:37:11,360 --> 02:37:13,960
Speaker 10: because they're helping to be engineers and doctors, and that

2776
02:37:14,520 --> 02:37:18,400
Speaker 10: mathematicians always says to Frankenstein, fag whatever you create, you

2777
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:21,640
Speaker 10: eventually confront if you create, you know in the Frankenstein

2778
02:37:21,720 --> 02:37:23,520
Speaker 10: movie where he went down the basement and he created

2779
02:37:23,560 --> 02:37:26,240
Speaker 10: a monster, and then the monster came up and chased them.

2780
02:37:26,280 --> 02:37:30,280
Speaker 10: If you create doctors, lawyers, engineers, people who understand history,

2781
02:37:30,360 --> 02:37:33,040
Speaker 10: people who can work in intelligence agencies, then that's what

2782
02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:35,440
Speaker 10: we'll confront in the black community later on. But if

2783
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:38,440
Speaker 10: we create monsters, if we don't focus on this education piece,

2784
02:37:38,520 --> 02:37:40,480
Speaker 10: if we let the dropout rate be what is. If

2785
02:37:40,520 --> 02:37:43,680
Speaker 10: we let people pick out emotions where we're arguing against

2786
02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:46,800
Speaker 10: each other, one radio host arguing against another radio host,

2787
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:50,920
Speaker 10: one organization arguing against another organization, we're talking about us.

2788
02:37:51,280 --> 02:37:53,600
Speaker 10: We should be self aware and it's not about any

2789
02:37:53,720 --> 02:37:55,520
Speaker 10: one of us because we may not live to see

2790
02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:58,200
Speaker 10: the results of our work. So we shouldn't be self centered,

2791
02:37:58,280 --> 02:38:01,480
Speaker 10: but self aware of how our ole plays a role.

2792
02:38:01,640 --> 02:38:05,040
Speaker 10: That's how these nations operate. Listen, you know, who the

2793
02:38:05,120 --> 02:38:07,560
Speaker 10: Iya too was in Iran. You don't know any of

2794
02:38:07,640 --> 02:38:09,680
Speaker 10: the other people because it doesn't matter. They want a

2795
02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:12,959
Speaker 10: mission in those particular countries. You know who the leader

2796
02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:15,280
Speaker 10: is in Russia. You don't know any of those other people.

2797
02:38:15,400 --> 02:38:19,080
Speaker 10: Condolleza Rice, when she was a scholar at Stanford, had

2798
02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:21,759
Speaker 10: the writer of books so we could understand the psychology

2799
02:38:22,120 --> 02:38:25,160
Speaker 10: and the education of Russians. That's how she became Wish's

2800
02:38:25,240 --> 02:38:27,760
Speaker 10: National security advisor. He read those books and said, damn,

2801
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:32,120
Speaker 10: she understand the psychology, the education, the poverty rate of

2802
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:35,800
Speaker 10: those people, because that will make a major difference. The

2803
02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:40,800
Speaker 10: greatest agency, that the greatest weapon, and the greatest agency

2804
02:38:40,879 --> 02:38:43,680
Speaker 10: we have to counter what happened to us as education.

2805
02:38:44,040 --> 02:38:46,720
Speaker 10: And we don't go to PTA meetings enough. We don't

2806
02:38:46,760 --> 02:38:50,160
Speaker 10: go to school the teacher's school meetings enough. We don't

2807
02:38:50,200 --> 02:38:52,680
Speaker 10: intercede it intervene in our school enough. Remember when they

2808
02:38:52,720 --> 02:38:55,879
Speaker 10: didn't want us to advance, they made it a law

2809
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:58,760
Speaker 10: that we couldn't read. Think about this, If a white

2810
02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:02,000
Speaker 10: person killed a black person, they wouldn't go to prison,

2811
02:39:02,280 --> 02:39:05,120
Speaker 10: But if a white person was caught teaching a black

2812
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:08,480
Speaker 10: person to read, they would send them to prison. Because

2813
02:39:08,520 --> 02:39:11,640
Speaker 10: that was considered more dangerous than even taking their lives,

2814
02:39:11,959 --> 02:39:13,959
Speaker 10: is teaching them to read. Because once we get over

2815
02:39:14,120 --> 02:39:17,920
Speaker 10: that hump, once we focus on education, Once our students

2816
02:39:17,959 --> 02:39:20,600
Speaker 10: begin to read its history, when they know about Patrice

2817
02:39:20,680 --> 02:39:23,120
Speaker 10: Lamoma and the eleven million killed and what happened in

2818
02:39:23,240 --> 02:39:26,120
Speaker 10: Rwanda when the Hutus and Tucies were divided, then we

2819
02:39:26,240 --> 02:39:28,960
Speaker 10: won't have crips and bloods. We won't have East coast

2820
02:39:29,080 --> 02:39:32,640
Speaker 10: West coast. We won't have organizations talking about each other.

2821
02:39:32,680 --> 02:39:35,920
Speaker 10: We won't have radio hosts that spend more time condemning

2822
02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:41,560
Speaker 10: and criticizing than providing solutions, structure and methods so that

2823
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:45,160
Speaker 10: we can win. But they understand that miseducation. That's why

2824
02:39:45,240 --> 02:39:47,840
Speaker 10: college wrote Wentzon wrote the mis Education of the Negro,

2825
02:39:47,959 --> 02:39:50,400
Speaker 10: and he wrote The Education of the Negro. They understand

2826
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:54,240
Speaker 10: that unless we get education, people were educated, people will

2827
02:39:54,280 --> 02:39:57,560
Speaker 10: always be able to push and puncture our emotions. As

2828
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:00,200
Speaker 10: you know, and some of you already noticed. I know

2829
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:02,800
Speaker 10: you know this called when I had the radio program

2830
02:40:02,920 --> 02:40:05,440
Speaker 10: on AAA, which they asked me to do. I didn't

2831
02:40:05,440 --> 02:40:07,440
Speaker 10: even want to do it. They asked me to do it.

2832
02:40:07,520 --> 02:40:11,120
Speaker 10: And when then Governor Martin O'Malley car Errol Richardson and said,

2833
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:14,160
Speaker 10: if you don't remove him from the air, we are

2834
02:40:14,280 --> 02:40:17,520
Speaker 10: going to affect that. That was a Morgan what they

2835
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:19,720
Speaker 10: were simply saying, and it wasn't about me. I'm not

2836
02:40:19,879 --> 02:40:22,199
Speaker 10: self centered, I'm self aware. What they were simply saying

2837
02:40:22,320 --> 02:40:25,720
Speaker 10: is we cannot afford to have educated black people. We

2838
02:40:25,800 --> 02:40:28,720
Speaker 10: cannot have afford to have people who are strategic more

2839
02:40:28,800 --> 02:40:33,280
Speaker 10: than emotional, who engage more in structure and methods rather

2840
02:40:33,360 --> 02:40:37,840
Speaker 10: than name calling and dissident and fighting each other. We

2841
02:40:37,959 --> 02:40:41,560
Speaker 10: can't have that. So that's what these other nations have done.

2842
02:40:41,800 --> 02:40:44,360
Speaker 10: The Iranians know how to be patient. They understand they

2843
02:40:44,440 --> 02:40:47,600
Speaker 10: don't have the military to match the US military, but

2844
02:40:47,720 --> 02:40:50,000
Speaker 10: they do have the patience, the perseverance, and they have

2845
02:40:50,040 --> 02:40:54,119
Speaker 10: an intelligence agency saying this is what will happen in Afghanistan.

2846
02:40:54,840 --> 02:40:57,440
Speaker 10: I'm not agreeing with what any of these people did,

2847
02:40:57,480 --> 02:41:00,560
Speaker 10: but in Afghanistan, when Osama bin Laden said we will

2848
02:41:00,760 --> 02:41:03,720
Speaker 10: let them bomb us for three years, but when they

2849
02:41:03,800 --> 02:41:06,240
Speaker 10: come on the ground, we will fight ae hundred year war.

2850
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:09,920
Speaker 10: That's people who have studied research in the history of war,

2851
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:12,920
Speaker 10: and we know that's why Afghanistan has never been conquered

2852
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:16,920
Speaker 10: in thousands of years because they are implementing strategy. So

2853
02:41:17,040 --> 02:41:19,800
Speaker 10: that's the piece that we have got the line from history.

2854
02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:22,640
Speaker 10: We've got to teach in our classrooms. We've got to

2855
02:41:22,720 --> 02:41:24,560
Speaker 10: take control of our schools, and we got to teach

2856
02:41:24,600 --> 02:41:28,200
Speaker 10: in our households on a regular and daily basis. Last thing,

2857
02:41:28,840 --> 02:41:33,160
Speaker 10: artificial intelligence is not artificial intelligence. What it does is

2858
02:41:33,240 --> 02:41:36,600
Speaker 10: it gathers all the patterns, all the research down the

2859
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:39,320
Speaker 10: well in the world, bring it together to give you answers.

2860
02:41:39,560 --> 02:41:42,720
Speaker 10: So if Donald Trump or others can keep us from writing,

2861
02:41:43,200 --> 02:41:47,080
Speaker 10: keep our books from being published, keep holidays from being hurt,

2862
02:41:47,160 --> 02:41:49,200
Speaker 10: then what they're doing is taking that out of the

2863
02:41:49,360 --> 02:41:53,600
Speaker 10: data that artificial intelligence can retrieve to give us answers

2864
02:41:53,600 --> 02:41:57,200
Speaker 10: to our questions. So their strategy is to write them

2865
02:41:57,240 --> 02:42:00,400
Speaker 10: out of histories. And they're not even artificial and intelligent

2866
02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:03,440
Speaker 10: will give you answers about the history of black people.

2867
02:42:03,640 --> 02:42:05,959
Speaker 10: We got to strategically know that, so we gotta write more.

2868
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:09,400
Speaker 10: Tony Morrison says, right, whether people like it or not,

2869
02:42:09,720 --> 02:42:12,400
Speaker 10: tell the story, whether it's sells or not, tell the

2870
02:42:12,440 --> 02:42:14,880
Speaker 10: story because once it's in print and once it's in

2871
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:19,080
Speaker 10: the atmosphere, when artificial intelligence go to answer questions, they're

2872
02:42:19,120 --> 02:42:20,880
Speaker 10: going to pick up that print as well as the

2873
02:42:20,879 --> 02:42:23,360
Speaker 10: other print. They're gonna pick up propaganda as well as true.

2874
02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:29,279
Speaker 10: So keep writing, keep telling the story. And that takes intellect, strategy, intelligence,

2875
02:42:29,320 --> 02:42:30,920
Speaker 10: and that's what the rest of the world have done.

2876
02:42:30,920 --> 02:42:32,760
Speaker 10: And we have it. Like I said, in South Africa

2877
02:42:32,840 --> 02:42:35,760
Speaker 10: the first thing they dismantled and every country they went into.

2878
02:42:36,600 --> 02:42:38,960
Speaker 10: Africa is the richest continent on the world with the

2879
02:42:39,000 --> 02:42:42,760
Speaker 10: poorest people. That makes no sense. That's a strategy. That's

2880
02:42:42,840 --> 02:42:45,400
Speaker 10: not because they don't have the wherewifoll. It's that they

2881
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:49,800
Speaker 10: use the strategy to miseducation, be developed and underdevelop the people.

2882
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:52,680
Speaker 10: Take it where their ability to have an intelligence apparatus,

2883
02:42:52,680 --> 02:42:54,280
Speaker 10: and then you can take everything else from them.

2884
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:59,160
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Well said the professor. Well said twenty minutes at

2885
02:42:59,200 --> 02:43:01,119
Speaker 1: the top, make some more calls. We got a bunch

2886
02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:04,080
Speaker 1: of people want to talk to Dr Powers. Go to Richmond, Virginia.

2887
02:43:04,760 --> 02:43:08,119
Speaker 1: Uh Islima Lake and sister Denise your question.

2888
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:13,880
Speaker 11: For doctor Powers, Laca salam rama, Doc Mubarik. Thank you,

2889
02:43:14,200 --> 02:43:17,879
Speaker 11: brother Karl, uh brother crazy, I will see it properly

2890
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:22,800
Speaker 11: for taking my call and having one of the I mean,

2891
02:43:22,879 --> 02:43:25,720
Speaker 11: one of the greatest guests. Thank you, Brother Power for

2892
02:43:26,200 --> 02:43:29,520
Speaker 11: accepting the invitations. My question, I'm gonna make it quick.

2893
02:43:30,360 --> 02:43:33,760
Speaker 11: I wanted to know, and I think you've already answered it.

2894
02:43:34,360 --> 02:43:36,000
Speaker 11: Why did the Iranians?

2895
02:43:36,320 --> 02:43:36,440
Speaker 8: Uh?

2896
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:40,360
Speaker 11: I guess they didn't respond when our brother commanded chiefs

2897
02:43:40,440 --> 02:43:43,600
Speaker 11: Somani was murdered. I think we were looking for a

2898
02:43:43,720 --> 02:43:49,520
Speaker 11: response from our Iranian family and uh, I'm just wondering why.

2899
02:43:49,480 --> 02:43:51,200
Speaker 8: They did not respond.

2900
02:43:52,680 --> 02:43:54,160
Speaker 10: At the time when he was murdered.

2901
02:43:54,840 --> 02:43:57,840
Speaker 11: And Brother Carl I will be donated to Saint Jules.

2902
02:44:00,040 --> 02:44:00,920
Speaker 8: You can pick my course.

2903
02:44:01,520 --> 02:44:05,280
Speaker 10: Ask doctor Bowers two things. If we're clear on nothing else.

2904
02:44:05,400 --> 02:44:07,600
Speaker 10: The intelligence agency in this country is that there will

2905
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:10,400
Speaker 10: be a response. It may not be like I said.

2906
02:44:10,920 --> 02:44:13,800
Speaker 10: We say it they mean it. When they say revenge

2907
02:44:13,920 --> 02:44:16,680
Speaker 10: is a dish best served cold, they mean it. They

2908
02:44:16,800 --> 02:44:21,039
Speaker 10: know that an immediate response, an emotional response, tit for tat.

2909
02:44:21,440 --> 02:44:24,800
Speaker 10: They can't win at that. But if they wait, if

2910
02:44:24,840 --> 02:44:28,640
Speaker 10: they absolutely wait, this is what they really listen. Let

2911
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:31,520
Speaker 10: me give you a primary example, and again I'm not

2912
02:44:31,720 --> 02:44:34,560
Speaker 10: advocating any of this. I'm just trying to explain and

2913
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:37,879
Speaker 10: connect the dots. The first attack on the World Trade

2914
02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:41,000
Speaker 10: Center in New York was in nineteen ninety three, the

2915
02:44:41,160 --> 02:44:45,279
Speaker 10: United States and the FBI went over to Pakistan, arrested Usef. Ramsey,

2916
02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:49,440
Speaker 10: brought them back hot put a blindfold over his eyes

2917
02:44:49,560 --> 02:44:52,080
Speaker 10: and flew over New York City as they were bringing

2918
02:44:52,120 --> 02:44:55,160
Speaker 10: them back from Pakistan, and they had landed in the

2919
02:44:55,320 --> 02:44:57,280
Speaker 10: United States and they put them in a helicopter flying

2920
02:44:57,320 --> 02:45:00,280
Speaker 10: them to Langley, Virginia for interrogation. And they were line

2921
02:45:00,360 --> 02:45:02,480
Speaker 10: over and they took the blindfold and they said, look

2922
02:45:02,480 --> 02:45:04,520
Speaker 10: at the World Trade Center. You tried to bring them down,

2923
02:45:04,520 --> 02:45:06,040
Speaker 10: because he planted at the barmb in the base of

2924
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:07,840
Speaker 10: the building with a u AL truck and it didn't.

2925
02:45:08,120 --> 02:45:13,120
Speaker 10: His expectations was that one tower would would bring the

2926
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:14,080
Speaker 10: other tower down.

2927
02:45:14,680 --> 02:45:15,280
Speaker 8: They pulled.

2928
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:18,080
Speaker 10: This is fact. This is in the fbis three oh two.

2929
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:21,680
Speaker 10: They documented this. They took the blindfold off Ramsey Use

2930
02:45:21,879 --> 02:45:24,680
Speaker 10: and they say, look they're still standing. You tried to

2931
02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:27,120
Speaker 10: bring the world train. You know what Ramsey Use said,

2932
02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:31,120
Speaker 10: And this is documented. This is not hypothetical. Ramsey Uss said,

2933
02:45:31,240 --> 02:45:34,040
Speaker 10: they're standing now, but they won't be next time. That

2934
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:37,120
Speaker 10: was nineteen ninety three and two thousand and one and

2935
02:45:37,440 --> 02:45:39,600
Speaker 10: nineteen ninety three. They attacked from the bottom in two

2936
02:45:39,640 --> 02:45:42,160
Speaker 10: thousand and one. They attacked from the tip and then

2937
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:45,400
Speaker 10: they brought both towers down. They may not. That's a

2938
02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:49,160
Speaker 10: damn That's almost a ten year difference from the time

2939
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:52,480
Speaker 10: and act took place to the times that the response

2940
02:45:52,560 --> 02:45:55,760
Speaker 10: took place in this country. The intelligence agencies know that

2941
02:45:55,879 --> 02:45:57,680
Speaker 10: we knew that. I knew that when I worked in

2942
02:45:57,720 --> 02:45:59,840
Speaker 10: the FBI that you want to have to be for

2943
02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:03,200
Speaker 10: ever viget it because that will not go They won't

2944
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:06,320
Speaker 10: not saying they will be successful, but they're going to

2945
02:46:06,440 --> 02:46:09,600
Speaker 10: do something to take revenge on that. The best place

2946
02:46:09,680 --> 02:46:11,680
Speaker 10: to take revenge on that is not right now. We

2947
02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:14,960
Speaker 10: always tell these stories about people who are involved in

2948
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:17,840
Speaker 10: domestic violence situation where a woman is slapped and a

2949
02:46:17,879 --> 02:46:20,480
Speaker 10: woman said, Okay, that's all right now go to sleep.

2950
02:46:20,720 --> 02:46:23,040
Speaker 10: So what she's saying is for me to fight you

2951
02:46:23,240 --> 02:46:27,680
Speaker 10: back right now is not strategically advantageous. I've got a

2952
02:46:27,720 --> 02:46:30,640
Speaker 10: plan this out. So I'm not saying we want that.

2953
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:34,000
Speaker 10: I'm just saying that the intelligence agency are aware that

2954
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:38,280
Speaker 10: that sometime the response is not immediate but not imminent,

2955
02:46:38,879 --> 02:46:40,760
Speaker 10: but there will be a response or at least an

2956
02:46:40,840 --> 02:46:42,959
Speaker 10: attempt at a response at some point.

2957
02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Gotch you twenty head away from the toffee. Our brother

2958
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:49,039
Speaker 1: Collis is next. He's calling from Waldorf in Maryland, Grand

2959
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:53,279
Speaker 1: Rising Brother College. A question for doctor Powers, Grand.

2960
02:46:53,160 --> 02:46:56,279
Speaker 15: Rising, My dear brothers, and thank you very much, Doctor

2961
02:46:56,320 --> 02:47:01,640
Speaker 15: Power for your education. But I wanted to piggy back

2962
02:47:01,800 --> 02:47:06,800
Speaker 15: if I could, on this particular concept. And I know

2963
02:47:06,920 --> 02:47:09,440
Speaker 15: that you know, but I hope that our audio audience

2964
02:47:09,560 --> 02:47:16,480
Speaker 15: is not naive. All of the intelligence apparatus, including the

2965
02:47:16,640 --> 02:47:24,840
Speaker 15: massad of the CIA five six and the defense intelligence

2966
02:47:25,400 --> 02:47:30,880
Speaker 15: intelligence agencies, have one principle, at least the European ones,

2967
02:47:31,320 --> 02:47:36,440
Speaker 15: and that is to maintain and sustain white supremacy, and

2968
02:47:36,600 --> 02:47:40,280
Speaker 15: that this is their focus. And we can fit in

2969
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:46,199
Speaker 15: our communities with the assassination of Martin Luther King, Fred

2970
02:47:46,360 --> 02:47:51,720
Speaker 15: Hampton and others and what have you, and that is

2971
02:47:51,879 --> 02:47:55,320
Speaker 15: their main focus. And I hope that we don't lose

2972
02:47:56,040 --> 02:47:59,320
Speaker 15: sight of that, My dear brother would.

2973
02:48:02,040 --> 02:48:04,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a major aspect

2974
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:07,800
Speaker 10: of their philosophy. But they also fight amongst each other.

2975
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:11,520
Speaker 10: That's why you had Hitler attacking white nations on World

2976
02:48:11,560 --> 02:48:14,280
Speaker 10: War too. He said, today, Germany, tomorrow, the world, even

2977
02:48:14,360 --> 02:48:17,840
Speaker 10: in the midst of being supreme against us and they

2978
02:48:17,920 --> 02:48:19,680
Speaker 10: keep us at the battle, which is why Trump won

2979
02:48:19,800 --> 02:48:22,080
Speaker 10: because racism and Trump's everything. He can do anything else,

2980
02:48:22,080 --> 02:48:24,280
Speaker 10: he anyone else long as he keep blacks and brown

2981
02:48:24,360 --> 02:48:27,760
Speaker 10: people down, everybody every he's got a certain group of

2982
02:48:27,840 --> 02:48:30,560
Speaker 10: care that's going to support him. But the other thing

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Speaker 10: is that they fight against each other. Listen, the world

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02:48:33,440 --> 02:48:37,199
Speaker 10: is seventy percent water and thirty percent land. There's always

2985
02:48:37,320 --> 02:48:41,040
Speaker 10: been a battle for land. Africa being the richest, most

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02:48:41,160 --> 02:48:44,480
Speaker 10: minerally rich, more nation in the world. We're walking around

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Speaker 10: now with diamonds that come from Africa. So it's always

2988
02:48:47,640 --> 02:48:49,960
Speaker 10: been a battle for land. And that's a premise. It

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02:48:50,120 --> 02:48:52,360
Speaker 10: meaning that you've got to use these people to work.

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Speaker 10: That's what enslavement was about. You've got to use them

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Speaker 10: in any way you want to because we are supreme.

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02:48:57,160 --> 02:49:00,280
Speaker 10: But even once they become supreme, then they battle was

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Speaker 10: each o.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 1: We keep moving twenty six away from the top of

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Speaker 1: Carl's Next Carl is in westbomb Beach, Florida. Is on

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Speaker 1: line four, Grand Rising. Carl, you a question for doctor.

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Speaker 13: Powers, Grand Rising Family.

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Speaker 8: Doctor Powers.

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Speaker 13: I was wondering had you highlighted the tour that you're

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02:49:18,600 --> 02:49:21,760
Speaker 13: planning on utilizing for this summer, because it appears that

3003
02:49:21,879 --> 02:49:24,560
Speaker 13: you have the ability to transfer information. You know, you

3004
02:49:24,640 --> 02:49:27,040
Speaker 13: can have teachers, but some teachers are not able to

3005
02:49:27,160 --> 02:49:30,240
Speaker 13: transfer information. But you have that ability. And I was wondering,

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Speaker 13: I know you spoke earlier on earlier shows that you

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Speaker 13: went to some college campuses and stuff, and I'm looking

3008
02:49:38,720 --> 02:49:41,000
Speaker 13: at where you're going. Where you could recruit from is

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02:49:41,080 --> 02:49:44,200
Speaker 13: from our high school and our collegiate level. And most

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02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:46,880
Speaker 13: times people don't spend any resources in order to deal

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02:49:46,920 --> 02:49:48,959
Speaker 13: with them during the summer, and we know that that's

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02:49:49,000 --> 02:49:51,720
Speaker 13: always a reset. And I was just wondering, had you

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02:49:52,440 --> 02:49:54,960
Speaker 13: set up a tour so that those of us, like

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02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:57,320
Speaker 13: I'm in Florida. I would love to give the people

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02:49:57,360 --> 02:49:59,040
Speaker 13: here in Florida that they knew that you will be

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02:49:59,160 --> 02:50:01,680
Speaker 13: up hearing a certain place SUGG just in case they

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Speaker 13: might be there. And I was wanting to head you

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Speaker 13: designed something like that because yesterday in class on the

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Speaker 13: carl On Nelson Show, our big brother Sidiki Bacardu was

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Speaker 13: sharing with us how we would be in programmed and

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02:50:12,959 --> 02:50:17,000
Speaker 13: I see how it coraled likes directly with warfare, and

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Speaker 13: I just want to help if I could to help

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02:50:20,200 --> 02:50:21,680
Speaker 13: get the word out where you're going to be at

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Speaker 13: what time or whatever. And as we moved forward, I'm

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02:50:24,400 --> 02:50:26,560
Speaker 13: hoping that others that have that kind of skill set

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02:50:26,879 --> 02:50:29,240
Speaker 13: with join on with you in order for us to

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02:50:29,280 --> 02:50:32,560
Speaker 13: design something that we could do for ourselves as opposed

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Speaker 13: to waiting on to save you.

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Speaker 1: All right and holy response, Doctor Towns, we gotta step

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02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:38,280
Speaker 1: aside for our last break. I'll let you respond to

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Speaker 1: Carl's question. Thank you, Carl, thank you for your call.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four minutes away from the top of our family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for rocking with us on this Thursday morning with

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Speaker 1: our guests, the former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers. You

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Speaker 1: know how to reach us eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. I'm we'll take your phone calls next.

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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on

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Speaker 1: this Thursday Money he had twenty minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top they are. Before we go back to doctor Palliser's

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Speaker 1: checking with Kevin, how this drive is going on for

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Speaker 1: Saint Jus. Kevin, what's what's it looking like to.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're getting we're getting several people calling in and

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Speaker 2: saying that they will contribute, Thank you very much. They're

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Speaker 2: becoming Partner in Hope. I don't have any figures or

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Speaker 2: anything like that. That's supposed to start happening around ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: But meanwhile, treatments developed at Saint Jude have helped raise

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Speaker 2: the survival rate for children with cancer in the United States,

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Speaker 2: where four out of five children survive cancer. In many countries, however,

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Speaker 2: one out of five children who develop cancer will survive.

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Speaker 2: So we won't stop until no child dies from cancer,

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Speaker 2: no matter where they live. And if you want to

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Speaker 2: become a partner in Hope, you can pledge just nineteen

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Speaker 2: dollars a month to help children at Saint Jude facing cancer.

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Speaker 2: And if you put your gift on a card, you'll

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Speaker 2: get the new Music Gives shirt. It's a Music Gives

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Speaker 2: Shure it and a hoodie and you can help us

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Speaker 2: reach our goal just called now one eight hundred for

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Speaker 2: nine one eight hundred four one one nine eight nine eight.

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Speaker 2: Again that's one eight hundred for one nine eight nine eight.

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Speaker 2: And you can become a partner and Hope and do

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Speaker 2: it today. Will be there taking those contributions continually, so

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Speaker 2: just keep that number nearby.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Carl, all right, thank you, Kevin, and you can

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Speaker 1: do it. Even if we're geting over off the air

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Speaker 1: later today. If you're on the way to work or

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Speaker 1: school or something and you want to do just keep

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Speaker 1: that number handed. That's eight hundred four eleven ninety eight

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Speaker 1: ninety eight, eight hundred forty eleven ninety eight ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: You can make a donation because we got this competition

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Speaker 1: going on with these other stations in our building, and

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Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta show out family, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: got to some new guys down the hallway too. Can't

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Speaker 1: let them beat us. Anyway, Let's go back to doctor

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Speaker 1: Tower Powers, Doctor Powers. I'll let you finish your response

3075
02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:57,560
Speaker 1: or give us your response to what Carl requested.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I actually I wasn't a tour, but I have

3077
02:53:02,200 --> 02:53:05,360
Speaker 10: been traveling. I did a presentation in Camden last week

3078
02:53:05,480 --> 02:53:07,920
Speaker 10: called by Way of Deception who brought me in, and

3079
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:10,320
Speaker 10: then in Chicago and September, and then I just got

3080
02:53:10,360 --> 02:53:13,039
Speaker 10: back from Chicago last week, had an opportunity to meet

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Speaker 10: with the mayor and talk about some strategies because, to

3082
02:53:15,280 --> 02:53:18,359
Speaker 10: be quite frank with you, he's under attack in Chicago,

3083
02:53:18,480 --> 02:53:20,880
Speaker 10: even from the black community who don't who think that

3084
02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:23,800
Speaker 10: what he's doing is not revolutionary enough. But sometime we

3085
02:53:23,879 --> 02:53:26,520
Speaker 10: can be too revolutionary to be revolutionary. And I was

3086
02:53:26,600 --> 02:53:29,600
Speaker 10: able to expeak to even some of his opponents who

3087
02:53:29,640 --> 02:53:32,360
Speaker 10: were black and say, look, the man's been in office

3088
02:53:32,440 --> 02:53:34,400
Speaker 10: a year, year and a half. I said, you got

3089
02:53:34,520 --> 02:53:38,520
Speaker 10: to remember now, it's an evolutionary process and you got

3090
02:53:38,640 --> 02:53:40,760
Speaker 10: to ask him about his strategy. So if he's not

3091
02:53:40,920 --> 02:53:42,720
Speaker 10: doing what you think he should do, and help him

3092
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:44,680
Speaker 10: do what you think he should do, rather than saying

3093
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Speaker 10: he'll never be mayor again. In fact, one of the

3094
02:53:48,040 --> 02:53:51,560
Speaker 10: black leaders up there said I'd rather have a white man.

3095
02:53:51,640 --> 02:53:54,080
Speaker 10: I said, we think about what you're saying. Remember Patresea

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Speaker 10: Muma got in the power after an independent Congo and

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Speaker 10: they killed him in eight months. They only gave him

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Speaker 10: eight months to turn the country around. Then blacks, Muntombo

3099
02:54:01,400 --> 02:54:04,080
Speaker 10: and others ended up killing him with the help of

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Speaker 10: the Belgians. So just be very careful that. So I

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02:54:06,480 --> 02:54:09,760
Speaker 10: don't really have a poor I have a lot of

3102
02:54:09,879 --> 02:54:13,120
Speaker 10: private meetings, a lot of strategic sessions that I do,

3103
02:54:13,320 --> 02:54:16,040
Speaker 10: and I go where other people asked me to come

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02:54:16,600 --> 02:54:19,280
Speaker 10: and set up something to kind of walk them through

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Speaker 10: this because I really do think called that we have

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02:54:22,480 --> 02:54:26,280
Speaker 10: to be strategic in our actions not emotional because they

3107
02:54:26,440 --> 02:54:28,320
Speaker 10: know how to play our emotions. I've said this to

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Speaker 10: you before and I will say it again. I testified

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Speaker 10: before Congress because Maxine Waters brought me up. When I

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Speaker 10: was in the FBI. Document came across my desks from

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Speaker 10: the Behavior Signs Tune of the FBI, which is that

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Speaker 10: chronicle Virginia that says that when you go out to

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Speaker 10: energy black people, remember that they emotional, but they're not intellectual.

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02:54:46,000 --> 02:54:48,200
Speaker 10: They'll get upset, they'll get angry. And I've always said

3115
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Speaker 10: that anger is an emotion, but it's not a solution.

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02:54:50,840 --> 02:54:53,119
Speaker 10: We all get angry, we all get sad, but then

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Speaker 10: we have to come up with a solution. But that's

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Speaker 10: what this document said that they were circling. So when

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Speaker 10: you go out, they're going to vent, they're gonna yell,

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Speaker 10: they're gonna screw, they're going to protest, but when it's

3121
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:04,520
Speaker 10: all said and done, they'll be right back where they started.

3122
02:55:04,600 --> 02:55:06,720
Speaker 10: I looked at the Trayvon Martin case where they's standing

3123
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:09,720
Speaker 10: the ground law in Florida. It's still in existence. Of

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02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:12,600
Speaker 10: all the protests and all the celebrities and all me people,

3125
02:55:12,680 --> 02:55:15,280
Speaker 10: we got upset. They believe that they waited us out.

3126
02:55:15,959 --> 02:55:18,160
Speaker 10: Then we won't have a strategy in place. We won't

3127
02:55:18,200 --> 02:55:22,160
Speaker 10: say we won't this or this was when we will

3128
02:55:22,280 --> 02:55:25,440
Speaker 10: stop whatever protests we're doing. Protesting it's good, but this

3129
02:55:25,640 --> 02:55:27,880
Speaker 10: is what we'll when we'll stop. This will have to

3130
02:55:28,040 --> 02:55:31,440
Speaker 10: happen before we consider this a victory. They will they

3131
02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:34,039
Speaker 10: believe that we protest for a while. We treated our

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Speaker 10: church on Sunday morning, we love the service, but by

3133
02:55:37,080 --> 02:55:39,800
Speaker 10: Monday we're back in the bar. So they believe that

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Speaker 10: and that that's how that's how we react. And this

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02:55:43,720 --> 02:55:46,960
Speaker 10: is an official FBI document, then this is how they

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Speaker 10: will react. So let them vent, let them yell, let

3137
02:55:49,480 --> 02:55:52,600
Speaker 10: them scream, let them protest. Trust me, six months later,

3138
02:55:52,840 --> 02:55:55,040
Speaker 10: they would have forgot what the protest was about. That

3139
02:55:55,200 --> 02:55:58,080
Speaker 10: was a document from the FBI that came across my desk.

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Speaker 10: So I'm truly trying to as best I can. And

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Speaker 10: again I'm being self aware and not self centered. Even

3142
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Speaker 10: without me. The reason you prepare the people, the reason

3143
02:56:07,360 --> 02:56:10,480
Speaker 10: you teach us on college campuses and universities, the reason

3144
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:13,920
Speaker 10: you meet with young people so that they can develop strategies.

3145
02:56:14,040 --> 02:56:17,680
Speaker 10: Because when we develop strategies were extremely impactful. I mean,

3146
02:56:17,760 --> 02:56:20,120
Speaker 10: look at some of the people in this city. Anthony Muhammad,

3147
02:56:20,120 --> 02:56:22,920
Speaker 10: who spent twenty seven years in prison and now saving

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02:56:23,000 --> 02:56:25,600
Speaker 10: the lives of young people, letting them know what it

3149
02:56:25,640 --> 02:56:27,560
Speaker 10: looks like on the other side of that wall, but

3150
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Speaker 10: beyond that, telling them as he educated himself. Captain Andrew

3151
02:56:32,360 --> 02:56:34,960
Speaker 10: Muhammad and this particular city who did that, Ed Brown

3152
02:56:35,080 --> 02:56:36,920
Speaker 10: with the peace movement in this particular city and the

3153
02:56:36,959 --> 02:56:39,680
Speaker 10: group he set with, and they not only talk about

3154
02:56:39,800 --> 02:56:44,000
Speaker 10: issues of reducing crime, but the psychological trauma they experience,

3155
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:46,160
Speaker 10: so they can help people not go there. So when

3156
02:56:46,200 --> 02:56:49,720
Speaker 10: we do it strategically, not just emotionally, but when we

3157
02:56:49,879 --> 02:56:52,000
Speaker 10: have a plan and lay it out, we're very effective.

3158
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:54,360
Speaker 10: When we do it emotionally, we just yell at each

3159
02:56:54,360 --> 02:56:56,080
Speaker 10: other and say what I do is better than what

3160
02:56:56,200 --> 02:57:00,560
Speaker 10: you do. That's being self centered egotistical, and people will

3161
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:03,640
Speaker 10: use that momentum against us rather than us saying, it's

3162
02:57:03,640 --> 02:57:05,600
Speaker 10: not even about me, So you can say whatever you

3163
02:57:05,720 --> 02:57:08,000
Speaker 10: want you about me. I remember when I came out,

3164
02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:09,520
Speaker 10: people will say, well, you used to be an FBI.

3165
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:11,240
Speaker 10: How can I say, you don't have to believe a

3166
02:57:11,320 --> 02:57:13,119
Speaker 10: word I'm saying. I'm gonna give it to you anyway.

3167
02:57:13,360 --> 02:57:15,120
Speaker 10: And then I'm gonna walk away if you don't believe it,

3168
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:17,360
Speaker 10: do your own research, come to your own conclusions. But

3169
02:57:17,400 --> 02:57:20,080
Speaker 10: at least I would have left enough there for you

3170
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:21,879
Speaker 10: to research. I don't need you to love me. I'm

3171
02:57:21,920 --> 02:57:23,640
Speaker 10: not trying to sleep with you or live with you

3172
02:57:24,120 --> 02:57:26,360
Speaker 10: or hang out with you. Take the information for what

3173
02:57:26,440 --> 02:57:29,000
Speaker 10: it's worth. Call me whatever you want you. I don't

3174
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:32,080
Speaker 10: even care because I'm not self centered. I'm self aware

3175
02:57:32,360 --> 02:57:35,200
Speaker 10: because I know if even if you disagree with me,

3176
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:38,039
Speaker 10: if you go and research what I'm saying, you will

3177
02:57:38,080 --> 02:57:39,920
Speaker 10: find the truth in it. And so I don't really

3178
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:42,240
Speaker 10: carest You know, we used to say sticks and stones

3179
02:57:42,280 --> 02:57:44,280
Speaker 10: can break out bones, but words or never hurt us.

3180
02:57:44,480 --> 02:57:47,120
Speaker 10: I don't really care what you say. But I'm gonna

3181
02:57:47,120 --> 02:57:49,960
Speaker 10: say what I have to say because that's my mission

3182
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:52,080
Speaker 10: that God has given me, and you can accept it

3183
02:57:52,200 --> 02:57:54,160
Speaker 10: or reject it. But I hope that if you reject it,

3184
02:57:54,240 --> 02:57:56,560
Speaker 10: you do your own research and then you become even

3185
02:57:56,640 --> 02:57:58,800
Speaker 10: more of an advocate than I am.

3186
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Speaker 1: Well said everything you said Well said thirteen away from

3187
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Speaker 1: the top their money. Mike's on like line five. It

3188
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:09,240
Speaker 1: has a question for you. It's coming from uh from Baltimore,

3189
02:58:09,360 --> 02:58:11,480
Speaker 1: Grand Rising money. Mike. Your question for doctor.

3190
02:58:11,320 --> 02:58:15,600
Speaker 7: Powers, good morning call, Good morning doctor Powers. Doctor Powers.

3191
02:58:15,640 --> 02:58:17,560
Speaker 7: I just want to make one statement and ask you

3192
02:58:17,640 --> 02:58:21,480
Speaker 7: to repeat something. Could you repeat the importance of education

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Speaker 7: to our people. We hear people on to come on

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Speaker 7: this radio station for years. I've been listening to them

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Speaker 7: and people ask, well, what do I do?

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Speaker 10: What do I do?

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Speaker 7: Educate yourself, your children and your grandchildren.

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Speaker 5: The next thing is, could you.

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Speaker 7: Read I'll repeat that comment you made that as long

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Speaker 7: as black and brown people are on the bottom in

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Speaker 7: this country, will have peace, will have peace. They won't

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Speaker 7: overturn no government. But when black people rise up and

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Speaker 7: when they feel that they are now lower beneath black

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Speaker 7: and brown people, they'll feel this government has betrayed them.

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Speaker 7: That's what comments today called. To get that understood.

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Speaker 10: Please absolutely so. I mean every leader. I mean whether

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Speaker 10: it's Marcus Garvey or Sojourn a Truth, or Frederick Douglas

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Speaker 10: or College E. Woodson and the miseducation of the Negro

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Speaker 10: he said, that has got to be at the foundation.

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Speaker 10: And when we have the opportunity, Look, we could make

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Speaker 10: Baltimore City. And I know your audience is national and

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02:59:20,879 --> 02:59:25,039
Speaker 10: international the example because for once we have the mayorship,

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Speaker 10: we have the school system of a black CEO of

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Speaker 10: the school system. We could say if we change, if

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Speaker 10: we do this from three k all the way through,

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Speaker 10: we can show you the example what it means that

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02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:39,760
Speaker 10: because education is going to increase your economics, We're not

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Speaker 10: just talking about the beauty of knowledge. Because there's a

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Speaker 10: lot of people out there who want to show you

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Speaker 10: how brilliant they are. Called they'll quote the birthday of

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Speaker 10: Martin Luther King and this is what I know about this,

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02:59:49,480 --> 02:59:51,240
Speaker 10: and this is what I know about that. But the

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02:59:51,360 --> 02:59:53,960
Speaker 10: burden of knowledge is how do you turn that beauty

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Speaker 10: into something that is tangible, sustainable, and that impacts more

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02:59:58,760 --> 03:00:01,600
Speaker 10: than you where people will give you more than a plot.

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Speaker 10: I always said this, when I go to give a presentation,

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Speaker 10: I don't call it a show. And I go to

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Speaker 10: give a presentation, you may never invite me back, but

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Speaker 10: you're gonna know whether I'm there because the opportunity that

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Speaker 10: God give me, I'm gonna try to put strategic things

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03:00:15,720 --> 03:00:17,920
Speaker 10: in place. The whether you like me or not, they

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03:00:17,959 --> 03:00:20,840
Speaker 10: can go on. That's what education does. The Economic Foundation

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Speaker 10: book at T Washington, at the Tuskegee Institute. When white

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Speaker 10: people when people are pushing for integration. Book at you

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Speaker 10: Washington said, listen, I agree with you. We're black, shouldn't

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Speaker 10: be hanging out with y'all. Just send me your money.

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Speaker 10: I'll keep all the blacks over here. Because this is

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Speaker 10: what he said. He said, excellence can create integration if

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Speaker 10: I make these students excellent at engineer, at math, at science,

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Speaker 10: at entrepreneurship, where they can grow their own food so

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Speaker 10: that things go wrong. They don't pray you on their brother,

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Speaker 10: but they can go out in the backyard and plant

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Speaker 10: their own food. They don't have the robber store because

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Speaker 10: they got tomatoes in the backyard. Even people who went

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03:00:57,240 --> 03:01:01,199
Speaker 10: there to get a degree in medic medical, a medical degree,

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03:01:01,520 --> 03:01:04,520
Speaker 10: had to learn how to do agriculture. He said, Excellent

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03:01:04,720 --> 03:01:09,160
Speaker 10: can create integration. Integration can never create excellence. Setting next

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Speaker 10: to white people going to their restaurants, eating with them,

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Speaker 10: setting in the same toilet. They will never make your

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Speaker 10: people great. This is what Book that you Washington said.

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Speaker 10: I think this is why he was so misunderstood. They said, well,

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Speaker 10: he's compromising. He's saying we don't need to be He's

3253
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Speaker 10: saying this, he said. Know what I'm saying is doesn't

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Speaker 10: make you excellent, then it won't matter what anybody else

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03:01:28,440 --> 03:01:30,760
Speaker 10: think of you. His book was Up from Slave. We're

3256
03:01:30,760 --> 03:01:33,200
Speaker 10: not up from the Revolutionary War, stop back and like

3257
03:01:33,280 --> 03:01:35,840
Speaker 10: we are, we're up from slavery. That was his famous book.

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03:01:36,040 --> 03:01:38,760
Speaker 10: We are up from in this country, not around the world.

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Speaker 10: I know the African Jaspra and the history of Africa,

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Speaker 10: but he said, in this country when we're getting educated

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Speaker 10: in this country, educate in a manner that gives us

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Speaker 10: strategies to become excellent. And don't worry about being with them.

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03:01:51,200 --> 03:01:54,400
Speaker 10: They'll come to you. They will come to you. And

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Speaker 10: if they don't, so what Malcolm X, the student of

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Speaker 10: the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, said, a difference between me and

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Speaker 10: Mark Luther King is Martin Luther King wants you to

3267
03:02:01,720 --> 03:02:04,440
Speaker 10: be able to buy a Hamburger everywhere. I want you

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Speaker 10: to be able to sell it.

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Speaker 1: All right from yeah, eight away from the top thing.

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Speaker 1: Just take another of coffee, real quick, assistant. Leona's calling

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Speaker 1: us online three grand rise insistant, Leoner, She said, Leona there,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's go quick with Kevin. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Mark then in Baltimore online.

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Speaker 16: One all right, Ralph Bunch and the creation of the

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Speaker 16: state of Israel. Do you have any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 16: Earlier you mentioned the officer strategic studies, and that made

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Speaker 16: Ralph Bunch pop in my head. And the other thing

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Speaker 16: is is war always necessary? Must people always kill other people?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 16: What are your ideas about that? There's this book called

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Speaker 16: The Art of War by this Chinese guy. I forget,

3283
03:02:49,120 --> 03:02:51,360
Speaker 16: but but they said that the best war is the

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03:02:51,520 --> 03:02:55,039
Speaker 16: war that's not fought. What's your what's your philosophy theory

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03:02:55,120 --> 03:02:57,800
Speaker 16: on that most people always kill other people?

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Speaker 10: You know, history is replete with man's in humanity to

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03:03:03,840 --> 03:03:08,240
Speaker 10: man or man, and in humanity to humankind is unbelievable.

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03:03:08,360 --> 03:03:10,760
Speaker 10: How we believe the more how you think about this,

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03:03:11,400 --> 03:03:15,080
Speaker 10: We tell our children to reduce value, to reduce violence.

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03:03:15,160 --> 03:03:17,120
Speaker 10: But then we have this philosophy as if I kill

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Speaker 10: more of you than you killing me, than I'm the victor,

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Speaker 10: and I actually celebrate that. I even get a parade

3293
03:03:21,480 --> 03:03:24,960
Speaker 10: for the killing I did up and down the street,

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Speaker 10: because killing has become the means to which we determine

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03:03:31,520 --> 03:03:34,320
Speaker 10: our supremacy, which is why they hung black people doing slavery.

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Speaker 10: You know, John F. Kennedy, despite his racism, made that

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Speaker 10: famous statement mankind must put it in the war before

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03:03:41,000 --> 03:03:43,760
Speaker 10: war put it into mankind. Doctor King in his speech

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Speaker 10: to drum Major instincts that sooner or later somebody's gonna

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Speaker 10: fire off a nuclear weapon, and then somebody else canna

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03:03:49,400 --> 03:03:52,039
Speaker 10: fire a nuclear weapon, and then all this other conversation

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Speaker 10: we have ain't gonna matter because the world is not

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03:03:54,120 --> 03:03:56,640
Speaker 10: going to be here. So I would agree with that

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03:03:56,879 --> 03:04:00,360
Speaker 10: Israel paym into existence. That's what people are saying, saying

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Speaker 10: how this current Israeli state have keep saying they've been

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Speaker 10: in existence for three thousand years, but they were created

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Speaker 10: in nineteen forty eight because the British, the South, the

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Speaker 10: British and the United States and South Africa, which was

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Speaker 10: under apartheid at that time, voted in the UN to

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Speaker 10: create to carve out Palestine. Because we keep calling the

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Speaker 10: gods a strip. It's really palistine to car a out

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Speaker 10: Israel and the midst of Palestine. This is not the

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Speaker 10: Israel of the Bible. This Israel came into existence in

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Speaker 10: nineteen forty eight, and that's the research we have to do.

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Speaker 10: We're not condemning, we're not going after people just because

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Speaker 10: there are any race, colored creed, religion, or anything but

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Speaker 10: we're saying, you've got to tell the people the truth

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Speaker 10: so we can analyze this thing. Right, the Jewish people

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03:04:44,400 --> 03:04:47,120
Speaker 10: of Israel, of the Israel that exists today, I'm not

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Speaker 10: trying to make the Palestinians convert to Judaism. They try

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Speaker 10: to take that land. This is not about religion. You're Muslim,

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03:04:56,920 --> 03:05:00,400
Speaker 10: I'm Jewish because the Muslims in that area the world

3323
03:05:00,480 --> 03:05:03,000
Speaker 10: are not trying to make the Jewish people Muslims. And

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Speaker 10: the Jewish people in Israel, damn sure, are not trying

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Speaker 10: to make the power Stadians or the Iraqis and the

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03:05:08,800 --> 03:05:12,000
Speaker 10: jew They're trying to bomb them into non existence and

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Speaker 10: take their land. It's a battle for land. Like I

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03:05:13,920 --> 03:05:16,080
Speaker 10: said before, thirty percent of the world is earth, the

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Speaker 10: rest of it is water. The wars have already been

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Speaker 10: fall ultimately over land and to take the most valuable land,

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03:05:23,360 --> 03:05:26,400
Speaker 10: which we saw on Libya. And we have to admit

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Speaker 10: that the Libyan president, despite his dictatorship, had a robust land,

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03:05:32,600 --> 03:05:35,240
Speaker 10: had the most pure oil in the world. And President

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Speaker 10: Barack Obama is responsible for his death because Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 10: as his secretary of State, said we came, we saw,

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Speaker 10: we killed the Kadafi and that's even with the Libyans

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Speaker 10: supporting the AENC in Africa doing their battle against the park.

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Speaker 1: So we got to study that, not so much as

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Speaker 1: we got to hold it there, Doctor Powers. We just

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Speaker 1: flat out of time, but I gotcha. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of folks rive across the country had questions

3342
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Speaker 1: for you, but hey, next time they got a call

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Speaker 1: in earlier when doctor Powis is on, I just no,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the information you shared with us, who

3345
03:06:06,520 --> 03:06:10,360
Speaker 1: learned a lot this morning. Thank you. Yes, all right, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: before we go one more time. We're doing this, this

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Speaker 1: raising this money for Saint Jews. What's what's the magic number?

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Speaker 2: I don't have any numbers, girl. They won't be tabulating

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Speaker 2: those until after ten. You know, most of the people

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Speaker 2: are just getting around to it. You know, we're writing

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Speaker 2: early in the morning. But I just wanted to say

3352
03:06:31,879 --> 03:06:34,280
Speaker 2: that because of the support of some of the people

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Speaker 2: who've called in and said that they will donate, we

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Speaker 2: can provide children cutting edge treatments not covered by insurance.

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Speaker 2: So we're asking that you've become a partner in hope

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Speaker 2: by pledging just nineteen dollars a month to help children

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03:06:48,160 --> 03:06:51,120
Speaker 2: at Saint Jude facing cancer. Put your gift on the

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03:06:51,200 --> 03:06:54,520
Speaker 2: card and you'll get the New Music Gives shirt and

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Speaker 2: a hoodie. Help us reach our goal. Call down one

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eight one, eight hundred four one one nine

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Speaker 2: eight nine eight. Again that's one eight hundred four one

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Speaker 2: one nine eight ninety eight. Become a partner and hope.

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Speaker 2: It's been a fun day. The light going on around here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks God.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course. Founally we've got to beat the other stations.

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Speaker 1: They're doing the same thing we're doing here at Radio

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Speaker 1: one in DC, so make sure you contributed. Again. That

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Speaker 1: number is eight hundred four one one ninety eight ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred four one one ninety eight ninety eight. That's

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Speaker 1: it for the day. Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,

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03:07:29,600 --> 03:07:32,280
Speaker 1: please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning six o'clock right

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Speaker 1: here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, and also in

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Speaker 1: the DMV we're on fourteen fifty WOL