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Speaker 1: It's the fiftieth anniversary of one of the greatest rock

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Speaker 1: albums of all time, one of the albums that changed

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Speaker 1: my life. Casey's not here, someone to take full advantage

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Speaker 1: of it. And there's a new book out from a

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Speaker 1: fabulously acclaimed author about the whole thing. It's Kenda Casey Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rob Casey's here. Let's go to the WIBC hotline.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by acclaimed author Peter Ames Carlin. He

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Speaker 1: has a new book out, Tonight in jungle Land, The

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Speaker 1: Making of Born to Run. Peter, Hello, Oh, so, tell

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Speaker 1: us about this book. August twenty fifth is the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: anniversary of the album Born to Run. It was the

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Speaker 1: breakthrough album for Bruce Springsteen. It would be the album

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Speaker 1: that was sort of define his career and millions of

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Speaker 1: fans for generations. Tell us about the book Tonight in

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Speaker 1: jungle Land, The Making of Born to Run.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think at this point, you know, after so

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Speaker 2: many years, it's hard to remember that there was a

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Speaker 2: time when Bruce Springsteen A, you know, wasn't really famous,

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Speaker 2: and b there wasn't really a sense that he was

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Speaker 2: ever going to break through and really be able to

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Speaker 2: communicate with with a big audience. So after his first

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Speaker 2: two records came out and were critically acclaimed and sold

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Speaker 2: to a kind of a hardcore of serious bands, Columbia Records,

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Speaker 2: his record label, said, listen, I'm not making any money here,

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Speaker 2: and if you don't start recording music that sounds like

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Speaker 2: it could theoretically get played on the radio, we're just

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Speaker 2: going to let you go. You know, like, we can't

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Speaker 2: afford to do this anymore. So they gave him just

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Speaker 2: enough money to record one song, which became Born, to

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Speaker 2: run the title track to the album, but with that

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Speaker 2: charge of like, if this sounds like it could get

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Speaker 2: on the radio, we'll give you enough money to make

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Speaker 2: the rest of your album, but for now, we're just

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Speaker 2: gonna take it one step at a time. And so

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Speaker 2: essentially what Bruce figured out how to do was to

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Speaker 2: distill the ideas and feelings that he'd been having into

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Speaker 2: songs that became, you know, the model of what we

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Speaker 2: know now of was, you know, these explosive rock and

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Speaker 2: roll songs. We think of his Bruce Springsteen songs.

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Speaker 1: Peter Ames Carlin as our guest. His new book is

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Speaker 1: out tonight in jungle Land, The making of Born to

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Speaker 1: run August twenty fifth to fiftieth anniversary. I think about

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Speaker 1: hearing that album for the first time in my late teens,

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Speaker 1: and to me, it was like, this is how adulthood

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Speaker 1: ought to be. And I know it's not how adulthood

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Speaker 1: ended up. But those characters, Peter, they really were people

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Speaker 1: looking forward, they were young people, it was optimistic, and

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Speaker 1: they sort of became the characters that he would followed

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Speaker 1: the rest of his career that made him so popular

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Speaker 1: with the fans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and they were avatars for people that

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Speaker 2: he had grown up with. You know, I mean, Bruce

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Speaker 2: came from a very you know, a working class, sort

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Speaker 2: of blue collar town in central New Jersey, so you know,

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Speaker 2: he grew up among people that were just, you know,

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Speaker 2: as he put it, not the people who changed the world,

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Speaker 2: but the people who keep the people plant spinning from

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Speaker 2: day to day. And so how did they you know,

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Speaker 2: what kind of life was there for you you were

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Speaker 2: a young kid in the mid nineteen seventies. What did

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Speaker 2: the world feel like? You know, what we're what was

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Speaker 2: going on around you in America and in the town

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Speaker 2: you were growing up and real quick Peter talk.

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Speaker 1: About being in Bruce's orbit you've been in it before.

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Speaker 1: What is it like to be around him and the band?

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Speaker 1: And you had a previous book author of the book

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Speaker 1: Bruce talk about what it's like to be just rock

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Speaker 1: stars in general and get information from those people.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, they're interesting people, and they're

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Speaker 2: often very you know, they're they're intense. I mean, Bruce

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Speaker 2: is a very intense guy and very focused and but

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Speaker 2: also very charismatic and fun. And you know, he's he's

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Speaker 2: he's an interesting guy, let's put it that way. Very

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Speaker 2: very h focused on his music and on the challenge of,

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Speaker 2: you know, what it took to make all these records

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Speaker 2: that we take for granted as like sign posts on

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Speaker 2: the road, you know, of our own lives over the

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Speaker 2: last you know, three four five decades or so. And

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Speaker 2: Bruce is very very focused on his work. He's very

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Speaker 2: focused on how it affects people, and it's very important

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Speaker 2: to him to feel like he is, you know, distilling

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Speaker 2: something of ordinary life into his music.

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Speaker 1: Hey, before we let you go, there's so much that's

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Speaker 1: written about these things, whether it's the Rolling Stones or

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Speaker 1: the Beatles, or Jimi Hendrix or in this case, Bruce Springsteen.

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Speaker 1: What new did you learn in this book. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I get this to an iconic album. But what would

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Speaker 1: people learn about someone of the magnitude of Bruce Springsteen

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Speaker 1: in a book like this that they say, hey, I

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Speaker 1: should go out and get this book.

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Speaker 2: I think it's essentially you learn, like what it takes

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Speaker 2: to become a legendary, you know, cultural figure like Bruce.

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Speaker 2: It's like, it's not easy, right, It's not And it's

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Speaker 2: not all glamorous. It's not all you know, uh, spotlights

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Speaker 2: and standing ovations. It's hours and hours and hours spent

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Speaker 2: trying to learn how to play a guitar, and then

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Speaker 2: hours spent trying to learn how to play in a band,

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Speaker 2: and then hours and even more hours of being on

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Speaker 2: the road going from show to show and figuring out

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Speaker 2: what it takes to break through and get people's attention.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of hard work, it's a lot of

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Speaker 2: repetitive labor, and it just you know, goes on and

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Speaker 2: on and on, and you never know where you're gonna

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Speaker 2: end up. For Bruce, what mattered to him and to

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Speaker 2: the people on his in his songs is daring, you know,

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Speaker 2: having the guts to hit the road and give it

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Speaker 2: a try.

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Speaker 1: The book Tonight in Jungle in the Making a Born Run.

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Speaker 1: Peter work and people get the book.

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Speaker 2: It's available everywhere books are sold, and you can always

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Speaker 2: look for There'll be links of plenty on my own website,

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Speaker 2: which is Peter Aimes. Carla very good.

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Speaker 1: We're planning a big party August the twenty fifth. We've

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Speaker 1: got Kevin ready to go. Peter, thanks for filling us

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Speaker 1: in a little bit about this incredible album, in.

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Speaker 2: This great book, My pleasure. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's Kennell The Casey Show ninety three WIBC