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Speaker 1: and bring on Breitbart World editor one of our favorite guests,

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Speaker 1: Francis Martel, here to give us the big picture, the

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Speaker 1: the United States. What's Israel's role in this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: There's a big meeting this weekend, and Francis, I'm just

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump giving the ultimatum to Iran, Hey like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the top priority right now of the

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Speaker 2: wants out of it. I think he was told this

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Speaker 2: I think part of that not to go too long

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Speaker 2: the goal of the Israeli military is to completely destroy

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Speaker 2: And for us, because we're on the other side of

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Speaker 2: You know, they've been saying death to America, which is

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Speaker 1: Is Trump frustrated with Israel at all? I remember a

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Speaker 1: is Russia and Ukraine still at war, Like, is that

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Speaker 1: Boy, going back to your point about how Iran has

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Speaker 1: So big picture here, we're speaking with Francis Martell. By

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Speaker 1: the way, this is last minute, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm at the cherry Blossom Festival in Newark, New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: Last thing before we let you go big picture, I

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Speaker 2: I think that there's going to be it's always going

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Speaker 1: And you said straight that reminded me of the straight

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Speaker 2: The last I checked, Trump was scolding around because they

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your day. I'm sorry I mean to cut you off.

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Speaker 1: I just like I feel bad, like this is this

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm having a lovely day and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: You you've been calling this show for six seven plus

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Speaker 1: years now. You make us better, You make us sound

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Speaker 2: The facot of the sports and beer. That's just that's

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Speaker 2: an attitude that does not mean that there isn't a

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Speaker 2: lot of sharp commentary, a lot of sharp comedy going on.

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Speaker 2: I love what you guys do.

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Speaker 1: Find her work at brightbart dot com. Francis Martel, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure as always, enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you you too,