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Speaker 4: I was at Winston Salem, North Carolina, Saturday and Cole

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Speaker 1: It was an American record, not world record, but the

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Speaker 4: No, he's you know, he won he won the He

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Speaker 4: So you know this was this was definitely in his wheelhouse.

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Speaker 1: David for runners in particular, David Woods is my guest, who,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you're making fun of me for

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Speaker 2: And I looked up your record. You're twenty two and

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Speaker 1: You're in your twenty first season up there in coaching

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Speaker 6: Well, yes and no, the temptation is there, right, I

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Speaker 3: They meet the eye test. Right.

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Speaker 1: Greg Tonegle's my guest from Indiana Wesley and he's on

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Speaker 1: How did you fight against complacency?

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Speaker 3: What do I want to do? Because if you don't have.

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Speaker 6: Right, Like my best teams have not won national championships.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing more, you know, obviously, you know coach the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there were times where I thought maybe it is time,

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Speaker 6: You just don't pick up six kids and a wife

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've got it all here.

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Speaker 6: I got everything, but the million other contract is what

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Speaker 3: And I love that, you know. And at the end

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Speaker 6: Happy and satisfied with the run that I've had.

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Speaker 1: When looking at your resume, Okay, and I'm going to

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Speaker 6: Now, oh yeah, I mean I'm in my fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: That's why I was telling somebody the other day.

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Speaker 3: Pretty bad. I'm not gonna lie it's done a while.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's always that competitor in you that says,

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Speaker 6: We've got just a new administration and president who's doing

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Speaker 3: There is a part come to realize, like every time

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Speaker 6: And as good as they are, they do truly never

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Speaker 6: And that's what I don't want to do. I don't

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Speaker 1: cannot be reflected by looking at a trophy case.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm to the point now back with families. You know,

441
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Speaker 3: they'll come back with a.

442
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Speaker 6: Two to three year old, and it's amazing to see

443
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Speaker 6: them in that role because man, they were immature, punk

444
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Speaker 6: kids at eight eighteen, and we laugh, you know, we

445
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Speaker 6: laugh about the discipline, We laugh about moments where it

446
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Speaker 6: was heated. But now It's like, man, their friends, they've

447
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Speaker 6: got families, and often they'll tell us stories about how

448
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Speaker 6: they're applying what they learned, you know, in real life,

449
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Speaker 6: and those are those full circle moments that mean more

450
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Speaker 6: than anything in coaching.

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Speaker 1: You obviously have been around the Drew family a lot,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, being somebody that played to Valparaiso and you

453
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Speaker 1: know played for coach Drew and obviously his sons around

454
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Speaker 1: it as well. What did the Drew family mean to

455
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Speaker 1: you or what other noted Indiana figures perhaps have you

456
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Speaker 1: learned from?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I played for both Homer and Scott,

458
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Speaker 6: so Homer was my coach. He decides to decides to retire,

459
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Speaker 6: and Scott becomes head coach for one year brit before

460
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Speaker 6: he went to Baylor. And you know, Homer got me

461
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Speaker 6: the job at Indian and Wellessey and I'm twenty four

462
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Speaker 6: years old, like they should not have hired me, but

463
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Speaker 6: Homer got on the phone and said just give him

464
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Speaker 6: a shot.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I owe him for this job.

466
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Speaker 6: And I've stayed in close contact with Scott throughout the years.

467
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Speaker 6: He's done a great job at Baylor, and you know

468
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Speaker 6: we're always talking and sharing ideas and I mean, Indiana.

469
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Speaker 3: Is just the best state.

470
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Speaker 6: I think some of the best coaches in the entire

471
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Speaker 6: country are in the state of Indiana high school.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm when.

473
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Speaker 6: I'm recruiting, I'm going down there not only to see

474
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Speaker 6: a kid, but I'm learning from these guys and trying

475
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Speaker 6: to pick, you know, pick their brains as much as

476
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Speaker 6: any college, because Indiana is such a special place for

477
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Speaker 6: basketball and it starts at the high school level.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, I wanted to give you the opportunity for this

479
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Speaker 1: because you know, you talk about molding young people right

480
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Speaker 1: and having and clearly over twenty one seasons you have

481
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Speaker 1: a core belief. You know, you have a mission statement,

482
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Speaker 1: if you will, for somebody listening to the show right

483
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Speaker 1: now that is in a rut in their job or

484
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Speaker 1: in their personal life, or they're just trying to find

485
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Speaker 1: some sort of a motivating factor to just be able

486
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Speaker 1: to continue and reach the next summit of what it

487
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Speaker 1: is that they're looking for personally or professionally. What would

488
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Speaker 1: your coach speak be, what would the lesson be or

489
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Speaker 1: what drives you from the day to day aside from

490
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Speaker 1: the pursuit of simply another ring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 6: And every time I find myself looking inward, and every

493
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Speaker 6: time I find myself at the center of focus one,

494
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Speaker 6: I'm never at my peak, but either are the people

495
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Speaker 6: around me. And I was just talking to my team

496
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Speaker 6: about this. We had a road game where we turned

497
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Speaker 6: a little inward, and I said, the interesting thing about

498
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Speaker 6: being so self focused is you don't get what you want,

499
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Speaker 6: but neither do the people around you. So I said,

500
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Speaker 6: we've got to learn as a team to turn outward.

501
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 6: It's you know, this is back to who we want

502
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Speaker 6: to become. If you put your attention on God and

503
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Speaker 6: what he has for your life, and then you allow

504
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Speaker 6: that to direct your attention towards other people, everybody wins.

505
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Speaker 6: But we get so caught up into you know, what

506
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Speaker 6: I want, what I think I need, the pursuit of me,

507
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Speaker 6: and I've been down that path. I'm telling you it's

508
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Speaker 6: not fruitful. It's not fun, And if you want to

509
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Speaker 6: have an exciting and purpose filled life, you just got

510
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Speaker 6: to be able to reverse that.

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Speaker 2: So will you retired in Niana?

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Speaker 3: Wesleyan Man, That's a good question. That's a good question.

513
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

514
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Speaker 6: I love the fish and hunt, and that's kind of

515
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Speaker 6: what I think about these days is like, how can

516
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Speaker 6: I coach and fish and hunt? So maybe somewhere in

517
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Speaker 6: North Dakota there's a good job for me. I mean,

518
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Speaker 6: I'm joking, but that would be ideal.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I've always kind of been this weird, low key Wyoming fan,

521
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Speaker 1: and I think they're kind of struggling. So, you know,

522
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Speaker 1: Laramie's nice, It's just brutal in the winter time. But listen,

523
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Speaker 1: we'd love to have you stick around here in Indiana

524
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Speaker 1: for sure. But coach, I appreciate the time. I congratulate

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Speaker 1: you on your success and certainly hope the continuation of

526
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Speaker 1: that twenty two and four right now is where you stand,

527
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Speaker 1: and I appreciate the perspective in the time today.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me, man, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Greg Tonegal again the head coach at Indiana WestEd Now.

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Speaker 1: It is warmer here than it is in Arizona, but

532
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Speaker 1: Charlie Clifford is with the Reds in spring training down

533
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Speaker 1: in Arizona. Of course, everybody knows Charlie from his time

534
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Speaker 1: here at WISH TV, now doing television in Cincinnati at

535
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Speaker 1: the NBC affiliate and joining us on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Cold Brew guest line, Charlie, are you still celebrating the

537
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Speaker 1: fact that your Miami RedHawks are undefeated?

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 7: I am America's team, as India's well known. Now Greg

540
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 7: Doyle had a great write up. I think it was yesterday.

541
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Speaker 7: Just get ready, get ready for Iron Eagle, Welcome to

542
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Speaker 7: the Final Four with a mac introduction. They'll be what

543
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 7: thirty three thirty four to zero at that point. It's

544
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Speaker 7: been awesome In all seriousness, I was doing student radio

545
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Speaker 7: there in front of a few hundred people, you know,

546
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Speaker 7: twelve thirteen years ago, and I never thought it was possible,

547
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Speaker 7: Jake Query, and here we are.

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Speaker 2: How far can they go? Honestly?

549
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Speaker 1: Because I look, they're obviously very good, but they did

550
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Speaker 1: not play an arduous pre conference schedule. But you play

551
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Speaker 1: the teams that are there, and at some point, Charlie,

552
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Speaker 1: the challenge becomes playing against the record. To be honest

553
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Speaker 1: with you, I mean, you know, I think that's that

554
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Speaker 1: That alone takes a mental maturity, if you will. But

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Speaker 1: how far do you realisticly think they can go?

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Speaker 7: Well, we won't be standing on the Lucas oil flour

557
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Speaker 7: like we were a decade ago when the UK was

558
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 7: running out against Wisconsin with the perfect season on the

559
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Speaker 7: line in the Final four. But they can absolutely win

560
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Speaker 7: a game. This is not a team that's gonna line

561
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Speaker 7: up and just get blown out. The guards are good enough,

562
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Speaker 7: you know that, as many mid mid major teams struggle

563
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Speaker 7: with when it becomes March maddness time. You know, the

564
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 7: depths in the post is going to be a problem

565
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Speaker 7: against these bigger teams. But they can absolutely win a game.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised that they aren't favored, you know,

567
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Speaker 7: and their their first game, depending on you know, how

568
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Speaker 7: high seating wise they they line up. I think recently

569
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Speaker 7: they were right around the eight, eight to nine line

570
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Speaker 7: looking at some brackets, So don't I don't know, what

571
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Speaker 7: do you think.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be a seventh seed. Seven to ten

574
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Speaker 1: is always an upset game. I think they'll be a

575
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Speaker 1: seventh seed. I'm going to say right now, I'm going

576
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Speaker 1: to say they go to the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 7: Wally in ninety nine. Charlie Cole is smiling here in

578
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Speaker 7: that right, Jake, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Telling you they're going to go to the sweet sixteen. Right,

580
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: all right, Charlie, let's get to this. The big story

581
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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, not involving the Reds at spring training and

582
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Speaker 1: not involving the suburbian Miami RedHawks. But that is of

583
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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, who now you know, once again is in

584
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Speaker 1: a season. ESPN just had a column of teams that

585
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Speaker 1: are players that just could use a change of scenery,

586
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Speaker 1: and Trey Hendrickson is a guy whose name continues to

587
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: pop up. Question is what does Cincinnati do with him?

588
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Speaker 1: Including do they tag him? Do they let him go

589
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Speaker 1: into free and I don't know his well, obviously he

590
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: can go into free agency, sign in trade. Indianapolis has

591
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: been rumored and linked to him for a while. Where

592
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: do things stand right now?

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Speaker 7: Well, he's done playing for the Bengals, He's played his

594
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Speaker 7: last snap. The relationships there on both ends, you know,

595
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Speaker 7: this has been a back and forth negotiation struggle for

596
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Speaker 7: multiple years, and last year was kind of the they

597
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 7: came together on Hendrickson's part, you know, not he wanted

598
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 7: a multi year deal. He just got a pay bump.

599
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 7: It's the end of the road here. So they have

600
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Speaker 7: two options. Let him walk and get a comppick next

601
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Speaker 7: year twenty twenty seven, which based on his All Pro status,

602
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Speaker 7: you know, would come in as high as a compick

603
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Speaker 7: can you know, be handed down. I believe it's a

604
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Speaker 7: third rounder potentially best case or as you said, tag

605
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Speaker 7: him and try to get maybe the equivalent of that,

606
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Speaker 7: if not, maybe a little better for this season twenty

607
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Speaker 7: twenty six picks. So that's what they have to decide.

608
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Speaker 7: I think they're gonna let him walk. I really do.

609
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Speaker 7: I last the last time last year, they tagged t

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Speaker 7: Higgins the Monday after the combine, so keep an eye

611
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Speaker 7: on that timeline. They're very you know, they're very regimented here,

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Speaker 7: so I expect they go to the combine, they take

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Speaker 7: a look around to see what if they tag him,

614
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Speaker 7: what they may be able to get. But you have

615
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Speaker 7: to sit down with three parties if you tag him,

616
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Speaker 7: Hendrickson's agent, Harold Lewis, the Brown family led by Duke Tobin,

617
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Speaker 7: and then the third party team, and you have to

618
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Speaker 7: find a deal not only that Hendrickson likes, but that

619
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Speaker 7: the Bengals like in terms of trade value coming back.

620
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Speaker 7: I just think the headaches that's been these negotiations, they

621
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Speaker 7: want no part of it, and I think at the

622
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Speaker 7: end of the day, it's going to be a third

623
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Speaker 7: round pick. Either way, And my gut says they don't

624
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Speaker 7: tag him, But I don't know what what's your take

625
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Speaker 7: with lou An Arumo's ties with Hendrickson?

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Speaker 2: Wow, Lewis would love him?

627
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Amo obviously the president. Charlie would be that,

628
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Speaker 1: you know, there is a loyalty there if you will.

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Speaker 1: And I can't say, you know individually manned a man

630
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Speaker 1: on that, but yes, I think Chris Ballard is comfortable

631
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Speaker 1: in delivering Anarromo players with which and Aroumo was comfortable, right.

632
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Speaker 1: You know, The question then becomes what the asking price

633
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Speaker 1: is if it's the third rounder. You know, Ballard is

634
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: usually very protective of quote draft capital, but they gave

635
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: up two first rounders to get Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 2: Does that?

637
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Speaker 1: Then the question becomes Charlie does does the fact that

638
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Speaker 1: the Colts don't have a first round of the next

639
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Speaker 1: two years prioritize them holding on to an early round pick.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got to look at that aspect as well.

641
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Speaker 1: But I want to get back to what you said

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Speaker 1: originally about you know, this being the end of the

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Speaker 1: road for him in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: What is the origin of that rift?

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Speaker 7: It's just the contract stuff back and forth. Uh. He

646
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 7: came into camp last year obviously sat out because nothing

647
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 7: was done and you know, called out Zach Taylor for

648
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 7: basically threatening to find him for missing camp. It's just

649
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 7: been a slow burn and it's they've had heated arguments.

650
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 7: Both sides have talked about it. Not that cooler heads

651
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 7: didn't prevail, not that he didn't step on the field

652
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 7: last year and was ready to go week one, but

653
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 7: it's just past time for both parties to move on.

654
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 7: And it's sad in one respect because he's the best

655
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Speaker 7: pass thrusher that they've ever had in terms of when

656
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 7: you look at his numbers, what he's done in a

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Speaker 7: The numbers aren't even close in terms of his production

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Speaker 1: The Bengals are a franchise. I almost feel bad for him,

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Speaker 1: and the reason being, you know, I was in I

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Speaker 1: was covering that game when they played Pittsburgh mini moon

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Speaker 1: ago when Carson Palmer got hurt, and that was just

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Speaker 1: the window just closed. And I know that that still

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Speaker 1: probably lingers over Cincinnati. And now you know, Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: is one of the most elite quarterbacks in the league.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if just a combination of injury and

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Speaker 1: begun to close on the Burrow Cincinnati opportunity as well

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Speaker 1: at a ring, what is the sentiment there.

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Speaker 3: The sentiment is it has not yet.

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Speaker 7: But twenty twenty six is make or break. The last

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Speaker 7: comment Burrow made at the podium this year following the

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Speaker 7: regular season finale, they lose to the Brown six and ten,

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Speaker 7: a number that you wouldn't even think would possible with

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Speaker 3: Of course he missed half the season that he was

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Speaker 3: just asked.

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Speaker 7: How big will it be for this team to get

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Speaker 7: on the right track get back to the playoffs in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty six, and he just did a mic drop.

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Speaker 7: He said, next year is as big.

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Speaker 3: As it gets.

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Speaker 7: And that was after about three weeks of comments. On

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Speaker 7: his Wednesday presser where he alluded to a lot of

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Speaker 7: things have crossed his mind as it pertains to his future.

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Speaker 7: He was asked point blank, do you see yourself playing

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Speaker 7: anywhere else next season? Then Cincinnati said no, no, I

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Speaker 7: can't see that. And then the follow up was have

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Speaker 7: you ever do you ever see yourself playing anywhere else?

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Speaker 7: And he just says, you think a lot. You think

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Speaker 7: about a lot of things. That was the direct quote,

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Speaker 7: So he's saying it without saying it. We need to

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Speaker 7: start winning and they need to put a defense on

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Speaker 7: the field that gives them a chance because the last

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Speaker 7: two years they haven't had that. It's been a complete

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Speaker 7: whiff on the defensive side of the all. Everyone knows it.

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Speaker 7: Burrow knows it, and you know he's he's the lead voice.

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Speaker 7: And and for him to be that blunt about it

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Speaker 7: at the end of the year, I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 7: in all chips in the middle. To quote the late

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Speaker 7: great Jim mersay, you know you're you're all in.

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Speaker 2: In the middle.

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Speaker 7: There you go, hey, outside of the uh the airplane

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Speaker 7: engine right on the farm.

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Speaker 2: That's right with the dog nearby.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I love you, Jim. Yeah, that's that's where it's at.

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Speaker 7: Though it's you're right, it could be a completely different

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Speaker 7: conversation next year. But you know that that goes to

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Speaker 7: there's two sides of the coin. They could also be

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Speaker 7: the team in this kind of now wide open AFC

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Speaker 7: that makes some defensive additions and his back playing for

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Speaker 7: a trip to to go to the big one next year.

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Speaker 7: So they're they're not as far away as the pain

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Speaker 7: that that presented itself this year. But at the same time,

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Speaker 7: if if they can't figure out this defense again, I mean,

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Speaker 7: can you blame Burrow for starting to starting to really push?

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Speaker 7: Am I wasting my career here? But it's not to that.

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Speaker 2: Point yet, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Are you prepared for And I know that opening Day

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Speaker 1: is obviously a big deal in Cincinnati. It's his story

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Speaker 1: from the red standpoint, But this is the year of

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Speaker 1: again the nineteen ninety repeat of wire to wire, right,

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Speaker 1: are you already preparing for the preparing for the world

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Speaker 1: tips prayer?

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Speaker 2: How do they look at spring training?

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Speaker 7: Oh, we're sweet, lou let's do it again. I just

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Speaker 7: was with Eric Davis five minutes ago. He's loving it.

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Speaker 7: There's excitement because the Castellinis, who owned the team. You know,

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Speaker 7: they bumped up payroll this year at the last minute,

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Speaker 7: bringing in a legit elite home run hitter and au

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Speaker 7: Haaneo Swerz who comes back last year Ellie Dalacruz twenty

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Speaker 7: two homers, Spencer stear twenty one. That was it for

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Speaker 7: Reds over twenty homers. You know, they only had two

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Speaker 7: guys at more than fifteen. And it was those two

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Speaker 7: so Swars who hit fifty two last year if you

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Speaker 7: count the three in the postseason. Uh, he's been a jolt.

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Speaker 7: Francona is motivated as ever. His mantra this year he

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Speaker 7: delivered in the opening spring training meeting on Monday, was quote,

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Speaker 7: it's time you know the Oh, the Reds are.

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Speaker 3: A nice team.

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Speaker 7: They've got a young, nice starting staff. They've got this

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Speaker 7: Dale Cruz guy who can kind of do it all.

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Speaker 7: You know. Now they brought Swars right, No, it's time.

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Speaker 7: You know, they're they're sounding like a different team. You know,

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Speaker 7: will the offense be there is the question the starting

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Speaker 7: pitching second in war last year in baseball. I mean,

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Speaker 7: they're about as steady as you can come, and that

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Speaker 7: was with Hunter Green missing almost half his start. So, hey,

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Speaker 7: if they can hit the ball a little bit around

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Speaker 7: Great American you know, it could be a really fun

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Speaker 7: against the beast that is the evil Empire out west

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Speaker 7: in Los Angeles? I don't know, but you know, if

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Speaker 7: you just see the players here playing for Francona now

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Speaker 7: in year two, they understand how loose he keeps everybody

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Speaker 7: So I think there's reason to be legitimately excited this summer.

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Speaker 7: And that's the first time you can say that here

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Speaker 1: And I know you know that it is sixty two

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Speaker 2: Sonny in sixty eight baby, eat your heart out.

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Speaker 7: Hey, and I'm I'm glad you have you know that

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Speaker 7: I really do. And I know you're in good hands

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Speaker 7: there with Eddie.

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Speaker 2: We're glad there's one, right, I mean, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, got itally on the board.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Charlie. Appreciate the time as always. Man enjoyed

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Speaker 7: Likewise, hope Shannon and the crew are doing great and

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Speaker 7: hope to talk against him.

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Speaker 2: Everything's good. Appreciate it.

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