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Speaker 1: Okay, how about this for.

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Speaker 2: A resume of college basketball programs with which you've been

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Speaker 2: affiliated the Florida Gators, South Florida Bowls, Marshall Stetson, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: Southern USC, Florida International SMU, and now chirp the ball

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Speaker 2: State Cardinals because Chris kpco who joins us on the

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Speaker 2: Joba House Colebrew Coffee guest line, is the new headman's

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Speaker 2: basketball coach up in Monseye and Worth an arena for

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Speaker 2: ball State, and joins us on the program coach, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. That's a little bit all over the place,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. I like it, though, Man, those spots I've

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Speaker 2: I was gonna put you on the spot and do

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Speaker 2: some Johnny Cash and see if you could actually name

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Speaker 2: them in order, but that would probably be I couldn't

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Speaker 2: do that with the places if I had to coach,

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Speaker 2: If I had to list all the places in which

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Speaker 2: I failed college classes, we'd be here all day.

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Speaker 3: Right, so you didn't fail up?

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Speaker 2: But well, let's begin with this. And I'm always curious

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Speaker 2: the head of a program, and you've been through all

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Speaker 2: of those places, do you which of those programs do

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Speaker 4: Well, that one, for me in particular is easy, just

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Speaker 4: because just out of sheer years, you know, that was USC.

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Speaker 4: I was there for ten years and then just basically

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Speaker 4: the trajectory of it taking over the program, it was

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Speaker 4: not in a great spot. You know, everyone knows a

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Speaker 4: a basketball standpoint, the program was not great. When coach

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Speaker 4: and then where we left it eleven years later, you know,

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Speaker 4: culminating us making four straight NCAA tournaments. So I went

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Speaker 4: through a lot and take great pride in what we

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Speaker 2: And for that reason, I wanted to get more into

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Speaker 2: this why Ball State? What was it about? You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming over the course of your journey when you're

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Speaker 1: What was it about this opportunity?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, answer this the same way every time people ask me.

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Speaker 4: And I know it doesn't make sense to a lot

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Speaker 4: We have external stakeholders that we have to answer to

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Speaker 4: because of the money now that's in play. And for me,

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Speaker 4: I think whether you're a first time head coach or

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Speaker 4: Really, the only thing you can ask for is alignment,

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Speaker 4: and with that alignment comes are they doing? Is your

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Speaker 4: I don't know if everyone's always going to have the

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Speaker 3: And I knew early on that I.

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Speaker 4: Was Jeff's guy, Jeff Mitchell's guy, just the way he spoke,

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Speaker 4: And then I felt confident with some of the data

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Speaker 2: You know, the NIL are obviously the key three letters here, right.

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Speaker 2: Coach Chris capcous my guest, the new ball State head

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Speaker 2: When you look at NIL in building a program at

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Speaker 2: Are you competing from an NIL standpoint? Are you simply

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Speaker 1: In other words, do you have the resources?

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Speaker 4: I have the resource, but I don't have the resources

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Speaker 4: Gone are the old days where you just use your

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Speaker 3: Because that's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 4: We aren't going to be able to outbid everybody, but

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Speaker 2: You know, would you look at you know, out of

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Speaker 1: My concern and.

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Speaker 2: I want you to tell me, coach whether or not

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Speaker 2: I'm because I'm guilty of I'm an insomniac and I

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Speaker 1: Think I'm crazy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you would know, let me give you one

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Speaker 2: that really limits what can be done for the non

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Speaker 1: Am I totally off base? No?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean that was the debate

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Speaker 4: Right going into the tournament, was Miami of Ohio or

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Speaker 4: I was looking at it objectively, not knowing I was

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Speaker 4: to be at UH or we were going to play them. Right,

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Speaker 4: to me, a team that goes thirty one and oh

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Speaker 3: But then you look at the seedless they went.

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Speaker 4: Thirty one and one and they were the last four

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Speaker 3: I don't remember. So it was very fragile for him.

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Speaker 4: Right, But I also do get it from the standpoint

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Speaker 4: We played twenty, right, and Miami, Ohio played none maybe

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Speaker 4: that sense. I see it both ways, but I think

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Speaker 2: Listen, I said, coach. I think if you go unbeaten,

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Speaker 2: to me, that gets you an automatic qualifier. There are

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like to me, it's that

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Speaker 2: They were taking on the Lakers. Chris Kapko's my guest

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Speaker 2: who had basketball coach at Ball State? And I'm watching

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Speaker 2: Bronnie James. You had him at USC. What was he

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Speaker 4: He was incredible, incredible any time when more kids and

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Speaker 4: parents are entitled than ever. Lebron never called us once,

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Speaker 4: He never texted coach, he never called coach. He never

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Speaker 1: What style of play are we going to see at

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Speaker 4: You're going to see a fun, free flowing style of play.

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Speaker 4: I think nowadays, if you see the way offensive basketball

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Speaker 2: Texas is a real big state. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: They will have their hands full.

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Speaker 1: All right. Coach.

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Speaker 2: In conclusion, here is part of Who's your Hospitality. I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to ask you a couple of quick questions

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Speaker 1: You ready, you got it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, first sports poster you had on your wall when

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Speaker 3: Who Larry Bird?

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Speaker 1: It's a good answer around here. Did they tip me

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Speaker 3: Was from Massachusetts?

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Speaker 4: And I know he's from Indiana, but my dad was

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Speaker 2: Well that's have you ever met Larry Bird? I assume

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Speaker 2: Your predecessor at Ball State, Michael Lewis, who himself of Who'sier,

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Speaker 2: a cold Bush Light. Responsibly, I should say, uh, for you,

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Speaker 1: Be what.

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Speaker 4: If it's in the middle of the day, it's a corona.

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Speaker 4: If it's at night. It's a glass of wine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, non, no wrong lime or no lime in.

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Speaker 3: The corona Lime gotta have a line?

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Speaker 1: Okay. Best concert you've ever attended.

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Speaker 2: Musical artists most likely to be found on your playlist.

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Speaker 3: If I hit shuffle, Little Wayne, I probably threw you

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Speaker 1: No, it's not bad, okay, Lil Wayne. All right? Okay,

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Speaker 2: It's a February day, You're not feeling well, You've got

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Speaker 1: You let the guys have the day off. You're flipping

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Speaker 2: Your newborn is taking a nap, and so you're flipping

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Speaker 2: the channels. What movie is on television? You're like, you

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Speaker 3: I just watched it the other day. A centuripeed Detective.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So what time is your MENSA meeting? No,

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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, Okay, Ace Venture Okay, Then the last one,

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Speaker 2: and let's say not name the Boston Celtics or the

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Speaker 3: By USC football. Yeah, spent ten years there USC football.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty hard to argue, man, pretty hard argue.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I myself think that fat Burger is better than

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Speaker 2: in and Out. We don't have either of them in Indiana,

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Speaker 2: I hope you feel at home and we certainly love

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Speaker 2: having you on the program. I would love to have

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Speaker 2: you back on coach.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, guys. I'd love to be back on anytime.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Chris CapCo, the new head basketball coach at Ball State