1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Lie from the Heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: Chances are you're not gonna like the piece deal. What 4 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: does that have to do with anything? This weird argument 5 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: of what a terrible deal? I get it. I agree, 6 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: we understand. What's whom sweet deal? 7 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: Right me? 8 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: President Trump? I mean Vladimir Putin, I mean Vladimir Zelenski. 9 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: What is it that you thought was going to take place? 10 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: That's the question before us. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, 11 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 2: that's the name of the show. Good to be with 12 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: You find everything at tonykats dot com. 13 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 4: The possibility of a piece deal. 14 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: More and more, you realize something that we said here 15 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: was absolutely true and in every way true. The two 16 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 2: rules of trump Ism remain. The first rule of trump 17 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: Ism is that Trump wins. The second rule of trump 18 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: Ism is that a deal can always be made as 19 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: long as it adheres to the first rule of trump Ism. 20 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:53,279 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, that's this deal, a deal that would 21 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: see Russia get more land than they may have right now, 22 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: get control of the dune bus. Yes, these areas are 23 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: ethnically Russian, but that's not the story. They're getting rewarded 24 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: for an invasion as opposed to being pushed back. Since 25 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: when does America not push back? Since maybe it can't 26 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: afford it financially, can't afford it doesn't have the will 27 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: to do it. As a matter of foreign policy, it 28 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: no longer sees these things in the same way. Maybe 29 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: some problems are to be left to Europe. That isn't 30 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: my view. I want to be clear about that. That 31 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: is absolutely not my view. We're not talking about my view. 32 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: We're talking about. 33 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 4: What is my view. 34 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: You better be willing to hit Vladimir Putin hard? And 35 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: this was always my argument to the political left. This 36 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: is my argument also to the political right. If you're 37 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: unhappy with this deal, if it gives Vladimir Putin too much, 38 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: if it it allows Putin to get too much land, 39 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: if it rewards too much, I'll agree with you. 40 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 4: Now, what are you willing? I said this to Democrats? 41 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: Then are you willing to walk into Moscow, walk into 42 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: wherever it is, Putin's place is residence. 43 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: Is, and slit his throat? What? How else does this end? 44 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 4: If you're not willing to do that? The show of force? 45 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: What force are you talking about? How much force? And 46 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: the force. 47 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: Where on the other side of the river, in Kiev 48 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: or in Moscow itself. As you start tearing down major 49 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: structures in Red Square, what's your plan? This was my 50 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: question for the Democrats every time they said, you're not 51 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: giving Ukraine this, you're not giving Ukraine that, and you're 52 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: not giving Zelenski this, You're not giving Zelenski that. You 53 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: want to end the Russian threat, declare war on Russia. 54 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: Let's go to work now. 55 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: I don't know heye declare war on Russia when they 56 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: didn't declare war on us. But if your plan is 57 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: support Ukraine at all costs, well then let's go. You 58 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: didn't do that, and I don't hear conservatives calling for that. 59 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: Now. 60 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: Once that's off the table, can I ask what deal 61 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: did you think you were gonna get? Are we grown 62 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: ups or not? Are we dealing in the same reality 63 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: or not? The reality is Russia's right there. They got 64 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: a crapload of people, they do have guns, they do 65 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: have nuclear weapons, and they can outlast the Ukrainians, and 66 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: they can lead to tens of thousands, if not hundreds 67 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: of thousands of more deaths. 68 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 4: What's your plan? Trump's plan was win. 69 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: If you could say anything about the guy, say you 70 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: know what his plan is, I'm gonna end this thing 71 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: in a day. 72 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 4: Well it did not end in a day. 73 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: He's even said a little trickier than I thought. Okay, 74 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: maybe a little trickier than you thought. 75 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 4: I get it. 76 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: Trump does not care how this wins. Trump does not 77 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: care how this ends. It just has to stop so 78 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: he can say I stopped it, and then if it 79 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: starts again, he can say, well, they didn't listen. Because 80 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: that's where we're at, that's what we're up against. Course, 81 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: this could start again. You have some level of deal 82 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: on peace. Who says it's gonna last for six months, 83 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: trust Vladimir Putin. We already know that that's a non starter. 84 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: But the objective is get the killing to stop. And 85 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: if it stops for a day, Trump gets to say, 86 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: look what I did, stopped another war. If you're on 87 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: the political left, you're like, oh, that's just talk. 88 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 4: What was your plan? 89 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: Keep throwing money at this, Keep throwing money at this. 90 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: That that gets us? What that gets us? No, stop, 91 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: We just keep paying and keep paying and keep paying. 92 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: We keep getting closer and closer to some level of involvement. 93 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: Speaking up where the heck is the NATO involvement. NATO 94 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: is acting all tough. NATO was going to be purchasing 95 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: our weapons and they were going to use them, and 96 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: I guess, I guess they change their minds. Which is 97 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: not a conversation that is coming up. There's no part 98 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: of any deal that allows Russia to benefit from their 99 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: aggression that I like. I don't think it's a good idea, 100 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: and I do think we should have been far more 101 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: aggressive with the Russian threat. 102 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 4: And I think that the people who. 103 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: Made the claim of this isn't our war, this isn't 104 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: our problem, we're wrong, and they were always wrong. That 105 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: would include Vice President Vance and a host of others. 106 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: It was a bad idea, it was a bad play. 107 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm here now with the possibility of a deal on 108 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: the horizon. Rans Paul, who always has a thing to 109 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: say in a conversation brought up. 110 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: On the brought up Venezuela. Listen. 111 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: On the Republican side, a good solid majority still are 112 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: of the neo conservative variety and do believe in invention. 113 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: But they've masked that and they've been clever. So Lindsey 114 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: Graham has not changed his positions, but he's clever, and 115 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: he's become very close to the president and influenced as 116 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: a president. Same with Marco Rubio. So the depending in 117 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: Asian or regime change war in Venezuela is hatched by 118 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: those people. I actually think Trump is the one who 119 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: is least likely to want to do these things, but 120 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: he's surrounded by people who believe in regime change and 121 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: are goading him on. I do think though, that if 122 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: he invades Venezuela, or if he approves significant arm sails 123 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: which really gifts to Ukraine, or more welfare to Ukraine. 124 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: If he does either of those, the rift with Marjorie 125 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: Green will pale in comparison to what happens to his 126 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: movement if he invades. If he invades Venezuela or gives 127 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: more money to Ukraine. 128 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: How does Ukraine connect to Venezuela and how does it 129 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: all connect to Maga. 130 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: Well, this gets heavy now. 131 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: What I'm about to share is a theory that isn't mine, 132 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: and that's okay, but I want to engage it because 133 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: it has I don't know if it has a perfect 134 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: understanding of the situation, but certainly, if we were to 135 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: take a look at the globe as a chessboard. These 136 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: pieces are in place for a specific reason. We have 137 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: Donald Trump declaring Venezuela narco terrorists. We have the taking 138 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: out of these drug boats, to which I have no 139 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: issue whatsoever, the idea that it's. 140 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 4: Wrong to do that. 141 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: Somehow I do process being violated. Are we saying that 142 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: our intelligence is wrong, our intelligence community is advised by 143 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: Democrats not to listen to the president. Are we saying 144 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: that the intelligence community's assessment that given to the president 145 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: is incorrect. Are we saying that there's no intelligence whatsoever 146 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: that these are indeed drug boats? Is there no intelligence 147 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: to what's coming from Venezuela. Is there any intelligence that 148 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: tells us that Nicholas Maduro won the election? No, it 149 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: all tell us that he tells us that he stole 150 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: the election, point blank. Not only do you take out 151 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: the drug boats, you move the USS Gerald forward into 152 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: the Caribbean. 153 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 4: This is the largest aircraft carrier we have. 154 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: And then you bring in the support vehicles, destroyers, other things, 155 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: support ships. You start talking about the AOAR, the area 156 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 2: of responsibility, Well, ain't that something that's a. 157 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 4: Real build up? 158 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: Why there's a theory that goes as follows. Now, my 159 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: add on to this is that Trump really does hate 160 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: war because he can't understand it. He can't comprehend it. 161 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: Why would you fight with somebody when you could make 162 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: money together? What's wrong with you people? I mean that 163 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: is the frontal lobe conversation of Trump. Why would you 164 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: fight you can make money together? Oh wait, wait, you're 165 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: gonna me from doing my thing. Well, then i'll fight you. 166 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: Then i'll beat you like a dog, and then we'll 167 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: do business together. 168 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 5: Because it was never personal. It was only about me 169 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 5: getting what I want. That's reality of Trump. I mean, 170 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 5: we're not gonna be honest with each other. Guys, who 171 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 5: are we gonna be honest with? 172 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: There's a theory. 173 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: That what's happening is the world has changed and the 174 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: money is changed, and it's not that there's anybody really 175 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: close to our ability of growth, of strength of capability. 176 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 2: It's that there are other players who have money to spend, and. 177 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: We as a nation cannot afford to do. 178 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: All the things that we used to do in a 179 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: world where we basically paid everybody to leave us alone 180 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: or leave each other alone. 181 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 4: What do you do at that moment? 182 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: How do you engage at that moment, Well, you recognize 183 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: that the Russians aren't going away, even though they're gonna 184 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: be a vassal state of. 185 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 4: China any moment. That's my take. 186 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: And China isn't going away, and China is a genuine threat. 187 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: And the enemy. 188 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: Yes, you have India and some other players, but let's 189 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: be clear about who's doing the fighting here. Maybe you 190 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: can't worry about everybody everywhere. Maybe you can't do all 191 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: things in all places. Maybe the day's post Marshall plan 192 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: where you're able to engage this idea of American influence 193 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: isn't as possible as it once was. Economically, it just 194 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: cannot be done. 195 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: What do you do? You at least take care of 196 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 4: your own yard. 197 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: And it's very possible that the United States has made 198 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: a decision that that own yard is the Western Hemisphere. 199 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: We're going to take care of it, and they're gonna 200 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: do whatever it is they do with theirs, and we 201 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: hope it all works. 202 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 4: Out for the best. 203 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 2: And that's why when you take a look at the 204 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: build up in the Caribbean, that's why when you see 205 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: this immediate push for a piece deal that has Ukraine 206 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: giving up more land. 207 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 4: Than was taken. 208 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: And a real push on Ukraine to do so. It 209 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: was Zelenski who said, we either have we can have 210 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: the United States on our side, but we lose our 211 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: dignity knowing that he doesn't have the cards and this 212 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: is over, and that Russia could reinvade in three years 213 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: or three months. That philosophy is possible that the United 214 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: States on a very very macro level, large overlook level, 215 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: has taken a look at the field and said, we 216 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: need to be protective of this area, of our things, 217 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: of this place. The other stuff we cannot do, we 218 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: cannot help, and we need to get our own world, 219 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: our own ship, our own place in better order. I'm 220 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: not saying I agree with it. I'm saying it is 221 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: an interesting concept. It doesn't change certain things, like the 222 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: selling of the F thirty five's in the Abrams tanks 223 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: to Saudi Arabia. 224 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: Why would you do such a thing because. 225 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: From there you have what a friend of mine described 226 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: as making it a very very large land aircraft carrier. 227 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: We know how to use all that weaponry. We built 228 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: those weaponry, We changed trained on that weaponry. 229 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 4: It's our stuff. 230 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: We send our boys over Boo they fly. What about 231 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: the women. Could we all just settle down and not 232 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: be freaks for a second. You know what I meant, 233 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: move on. We do have allies in places, and we 234 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: do want to have forward positioning in places. But that's 235 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: the story about Venezuela. As to Rand Paul's point of 236 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: if we invade Venezuela, if we give money to Ukraine, 237 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: I know about an invasion of Venezuela, but money to Ukraine. 238 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 4: What more support's going to go to Ukraine? For sure? 239 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: And I don't know if that breaks up mag at all. No, 240 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: I don't think they'll like it, but I wonder if 241 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: they'll go with Trump if he starts discussing this new 242 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: reality something to listen for. 243 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 4: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today.