1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Live from ball Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: Yes, welcome to Tony Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge 4 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: in for Tony Katz. Coolidge is spelled with a K, 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: K O O L I, d G E, and Cats 6 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: is spelled with a K as well ka Tz. Tony 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: will be back. I don't know exactly. I will not 8 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: make that announcement. I will let the powers that be 9 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: make that announcement, but I will be back guest hosting 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: this radio program on New Year's Eve Day, which is 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: a Wednesday, and then January second, which is a Friday, 12 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: and by then I believe we're gonna know the next 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: round of the college football playoffs. Yes, yes, yes, the 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: Mighty Indiana has off as does or Not has Off 15 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: has a bye, as does my ahem, University of Georgia Bulldogs. 16 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: They are my team. That's all of my wife's side 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: of the family are bulldog people. And I last time 18 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: I was on the show reminded or told you this 19 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: story about my time watching the beat Alabama in the 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: National Championship in Indianapolis, Indiana, back in early two thousand 21 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: and twenty two. 22 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: What a great night. What a great memory. 23 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you right now, if it is Indiana 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: versus Georgia in the National Championship, which is what I 25 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: predicted is going. 26 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: To be, I will be rooting for Georgia. 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: But if I were a Betty Man, every beting on Indiana, 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: because they're really, really good. We this whole hour are 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: going to get into this viral piece from Compact magazine 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: called the Lost Generation. I'm gonna give you a brief 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: synopsis of it here before we welcome our guest coming 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: up this hour, Kevin Jackson, who's going to join us 33 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: here shortly. But something extraordinary happened to millennial white men 34 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: in professional America between the years twenty fourteen and twenty 35 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: twenty four And this is I'm reading from a piece 36 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: from AMAC, which is kind of a synopsis of this 37 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: Lost Generation piece. We're only now starting to talk about it, honestly, 38 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: and the numbers are staggering. White males dropped from from 39 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: forty eight percent of entry level TV writers in twenty 40 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: eleven to eleven point nine percent by twenty twenty four, 41 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: forty eight percent to eleven point nine percent. In academia, 42 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 2: they fell from thirty nine percent of Humanity's tenured track 43 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: hires at Harvard in twenty fourteen to eighteen percent ten 44 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: years later. 45 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: How do you see? Irvine? 46 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: Sixty four percent tenure track professors were hired in humanities 47 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: and social sciences since twenty twenty. Okay, sixty four Only 48 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: three of them were white men. This wasn't some gentle rebalancing. 49 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: It was a generational purge pressed up as progress. Here's 50 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: what makes this particularly brutal. The older white men stayed 51 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: exactly where they were. Gen X guys. I'm a gen 52 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: X guy for the record, still run the New York 53 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: Times magazine, still hold senior positions across Hollywood, still dominate 54 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: university departments. They implemented. They implementing diversity mandates that fell 55 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 2: entirely on entry level positions, locking out the generation behind 56 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: them while protecting their own perches. The timing was everything. 57 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: If you were forty and established in twenty fourteen, you 58 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: were fine. If you were thirty and trying to break in, 59 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: were younger, you hit a wall. One generation apart, completely 60 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: different professional fates, and it was explicit. Internal Hollywood agency 61 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: documents from twenty seventeen show mandates for writers rooms diverse women, 62 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: and diverse only emphasis on African American. 63 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: This is all quotes. 64 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: These are quotes from documents from twenty seventeen showing that 65 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: this is what the mandates were for different writing rooms. 66 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 3: You know, these are people who write. 67 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: The TV shows and the comedy shows and the sitcoms 68 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: and all that. The Disney Writing Program awarded one hundred 69 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: and seven fellowships over a decade, zero went to white men. 70 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: This was not unconscious bias, it was policy. Medical schools 71 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: went from thirty one percent white male students in twenty 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: fourteen to twenty point five percent by twenty twenty five. 73 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: Law schools dropped from thirty one point two to twenty 74 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: five point seven in eight years. At Amazon, mid level 75 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: managers fell from fifty five point eight white male in 76 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen to thirty three percent in twenty twenty four. 77 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: At Google, white men went from nearly half the workforce 78 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: to under a third. And these were not mediocre guys 79 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: getting passed over. They were watching less experienced candidates with 80 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: the right demographic profile leap past them. Journals supplying to 81 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: dozens of positions with zero callbacks, academics making it to 82 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: final interview rounds five times, and never getting hired. Screenwriters 83 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: told point blank that rooms already had too many white guys. 84 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: The refuges. These men found crypto podcasting substack anywhere without 85 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: institutional gatekeepers. For a decade, liberal institutions insisted this was 86 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: not happening, that any white man complaining was just mediocre, 87 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: just bitter, but the numbers do not lie. An entire 88 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: cohort systematically locked out, and they called it justice. This 89 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: piece is going viral right now, and none other than 90 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: jd Vance just retweeted this piece. It's a really long slog, 91 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: but man, is it good. And it's by Jacob Savage. 92 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: We're get to get into this a bit more and 93 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: a possible solution to this with Kevin Jackson, former Fox 94 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: News contributor and co founder of Unified Solutions America. This 95 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: is Tony Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge. Don't go anywhere. 96 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: Yes it is. 97 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: Let's hope right, everything's going to be cool this Christmas. 98 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today. I am not Tony. I 99 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: am Mike Coolidge spelled with a K. You can follow 100 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: me on. 101 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: X at k L I dge and I thank you 102 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: for joining us this afternoon, this Friday, this end of 103 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: the week before the break, we were reading from some 104 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: of this piece that has gone super viral called The 105 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: Lost Generation Compact magazine by Jacob Savage, and he lays 106 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: out how millennial white men have been intentionally and systematically 107 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: stopped prevented from getting into various fields over the last 108 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: ten years. While Generation X, which I'm a part of 109 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: and our next guest is as well, from their purchase, 110 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: they didn't change anything. 111 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: We didn't change anything from our purchase. 112 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: But so this is a whole generation of young white 113 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: males who have not had their kind of. 114 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: Proverbial foot in the door. 115 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: Joining us to talk about this piece and also Unified 116 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: Solutions America Kevin Jackson. He's a former Fox News contributor 117 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: and is the co founder of Unified Solutions America. Kevin, 118 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: Welcome on to the Tony Katz Show. 119 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: Hey, glad to be with you. 120 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 5: Mike. I got to tell you that article was really. 121 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 6: Amazing how he laid the author laid out the Savage 122 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 6: laid out all the different issues, and what struck me 123 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 6: was it's really an attack on both the media and academia, 124 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 6: which are two elements owned by the left. And I 125 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 6: don't know if the audience is going to recognize this. 126 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 6: I'm just going to admit this upfront. I happen to 127 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 6: be a black guy. So even though I'm jen X, 128 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 6: I'm a black guy who's looking at this because I 129 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 6: can laugh all the way to the bank at all 130 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 6: of it. It doesn't matter what jen I'm from. Right, 131 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 6: the world has been laid out to be my oyster. 132 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 6: But what I noticed this article and what struck me 133 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 6: most was I looked at it as the emasculation of 134 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 6: men in general. But it's really the emasculation of white 135 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 6: men and the idea of taking you white guys off 136 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 6: your perch. And it's the younger generation of guys. And look, 137 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 6: I'm old school enough to know that when and I'm 138 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 6: going to use some vernacular. But when I was growing up, 139 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 6: we handled our business in the street. We didn't rely 140 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 6: on DEI, We didn't call the NAACP. You know, you 141 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 6: might get your big brother to help if there was 142 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 6: more than one guy you were fighting, but you took 143 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 6: care of business on the street. Now, these kids have 144 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 6: been raised with cry closets and you know, you know, 145 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 6: little line up spaces, yeah, safe spaces and all these 146 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 6: different things, and they don't know how to handle the situation. 147 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 6: Let me put it in another way. The generation that 148 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 6: we're from, we didn't allow it to happen because there 149 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 6: was still a lot of ogs, what we call the 150 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 6: original gangsters, like myself, who pushed back against it. I said, look, 151 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 6: I saw it happening to my white friends. 152 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 5: I'd be like, man, you're gonna let these people do 153 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 5: this to you. 154 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 4: White guy, what are you talking about? 155 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 6: And the funniest thing about all of this, and there's 156 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 6: a joke in the black community because people will say 157 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 6: things like, well, Kevin, you're black and you're siding with 158 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 6: white people. And I'm like, no, I'm siding with the winners. 159 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 6: I'm siding with the dudes who can land spaceships backwards, 160 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 6: you know, And. 161 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 5: That's what I'm siding with. 162 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 4: We look at the. 163 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 5: Creation of man through the millennia and. 164 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 6: Look at what white men have done, and ask yourself, 165 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 6: why would you want to dumb down the rest of 166 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 6: the world and say, oh, let's compete at the level 167 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 6: of women, Let's compete at the level of blacks, let's 168 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,479 Speaker 6: compete at the level of LGBT. White men have contributed 169 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 6: so much to the world. The real question should be asked, 170 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 6: why aren't we studying you? 171 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean this whoda. I mean, there's a bunch 172 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: of things you said there. I want to I want 173 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: to dive into UH. 174 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 5: You know the. 175 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: Some people have criticized this as you know, trying to 176 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: take white men off their purchase. And the problem obviously 177 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: that this guy is pointing out, this Jacob Savage and 178 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: this piece the lost generation, is that they don't have 179 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: They didn't even get to the purchase. They didn't even 180 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: they weren't able to. They didn't even have the opportunity 181 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: to climb up the purchase or the trees, you know, 182 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: to get there, and so they're on ramp was was 183 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: cut off. 184 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 3: And another thing, you know, you mentioned. 185 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: This idea of merit and rewarding people for uh for 186 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: doing good work. It reminds me of a joke I heard, 187 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: not a joke, an anecdote that Bill Maher talked about 188 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: with UH. Sanford and Son, the the guy the main 189 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: character Red Fox when he had Sanford and Son. 190 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: This is in the seventies. 191 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: You know, African American is hugely popular comedian and he 192 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 2: has this sitcom and his people say, hey, you should 193 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: just hire you know, your black friends to write it, 194 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: and he did that the second season a couple of episodes, 195 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: and this again is a recounting it from Bill Maher, 196 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: and he didn't like what they were doing, and Red 197 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: Fox said, bring me back the Jewish writers. 198 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: These guys are not funny. 199 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: Like all he cared about was funny people who wrote 200 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: funny material. 201 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: And in his mind it was, you know, the Jewish. 202 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: Writers or the guys who happened to be Jewish writing 203 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: his material that were way funnier than his friends who 204 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: happened to be black. But you know, and that whole generation, 205 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: and that is how you and I grew up was 206 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: until really the two thousands, the mid to late two thousands, 207 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: Merritt for the most part was how you would succeed. 208 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: But everything change for this generation, these millennials, and it's 209 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: just it's really really eye. 210 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: Opening that so many of their doors were shut. 211 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. 212 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 4: That the doors were shut. 213 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 6: It's just that, you know things, you allow things to occur. 214 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 6: If someone gives you the easy way out, if you're 215 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 6: if you don't have to earn something and somebody gives 216 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 6: it to you and you take it. Well, as far 217 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 6: as I'm concerned, you're a piker. In my generation, you 218 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 6: would have just gotten trampled because if I'm meritocracy and 219 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 6: you're the average dude, well, you know you're not going 220 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 6: to get my spot on the football team. 221 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 5: You're not going to get my spot on the debate team. 222 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 4: You know. 223 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 6: I was going to make sure I made a fool 224 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 6: out of you. And not only that, everybody else is 225 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 6: going to ridicule you. And you might think you were 226 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 6: being bullied, but no, you were being made to be better. 227 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 6: I could look, I could give this audience one hundred 228 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 6: stories on where somebody told me you can't do something 229 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 6: because you're black, or you're too short, or you're too 230 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 6: pretty Kevin or whatever. 231 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 5: And I would go, oh, yeah, well. 232 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 6: Hold my beer, because this minute you told me I 233 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 6: couldn't do something. I was raised to prove you wrong. 234 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 6: We have a generation of people who accept it. My son, 235 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 6: my oldest son, told me this is in the fifth grade. 236 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 6: He came home one day. We were talking about something 237 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 6: at subject. 238 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 4: And I said, well, why do you raise your hand? 239 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 5: He goes, it doesn't matter. 240 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: I go, what do you mean? 241 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 6: He goes, the teachers don't call on boys, and I 242 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 6: go get out of here he goes, No, they know that. 243 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 6: They the teacher said to us, boys, always raise your hands. 244 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 6: You always know the answer. You're very boisterous. So they 245 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 6: stop calling on him. So the boys stopped. Ultimately, what happens, 246 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 6: they stopped raising their hands. So you essentially beat out 247 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 6: the natural response of a young boy was right and 248 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 6: wanting attention and all these different things that make him 249 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 6: into a man who can attract a very beautiful woman, 250 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 6: because why he flaunts himself, he wants attention. 251 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: Look at nature and. 252 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 5: Tell me that what everything I'm telling. 253 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 4: You is is a fraud. It's this is exactly the 254 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: way it works. 255 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, what we've done is we've emaculated these kids. 256 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that is a great analogy what you 257 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: just said with you know, they stopped raising their hands. 258 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: Because that's what this Jacob Savage writer points out is 259 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: that so many of his cohorts just just stopped applying 260 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: for stuff, just stopped exactly right, putting their name out 261 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: there to get because they just kept getting turned down. 262 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: And this man who was. 263 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: Dating a woman who eventually became his wife, he wanted 264 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: to provide for her. He wanted to, you know, get 265 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: a good job, and he thought, you know, success was 266 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: right around the corner, but he was told repeatedly, we 267 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: don't want your kind in so many words, which was 268 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: right males, and he had to delay having a family 269 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: and having having to delay you know, you know, doing 270 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: the things that that are the next steps and next 271 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: chapters in life that. 272 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: So many of us aspire to do. 273 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 6: So I still sort of blame the generation because. 274 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: Pardon me, like you blame millennials, that generation specifically. 275 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 6: Blame that generation because look, real men say, oh you put. 276 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 5: Up a roadblock, I'm going to get around it. You know. 277 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 6: It's the same thing we say of women's you know, 278 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 6: the women's movement says, oh, we can't do this or that, 279 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 6: And I say to the average woman, I go, what, 280 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 6: you can't start your own company? In other words, if 281 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 6: a man's holding you back and something you want to do, 282 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 6: why don't you start your own? 283 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 5: I mean there's so many I. 284 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 6: Say it to my black cohorts, Oh, the white man's 285 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 6: keeping you down? Really, what's stopping you from starting your own? 286 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 5: Oh? 287 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: I don't like Hollywood. 288 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 6: Oscar is so white, which he mentions in the thing, 289 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 6: all these different things that impact you. If oscars are 290 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 6: so white, why don't you start a black version. It 291 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 6: may be et bigger than what it is. Start your 292 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 6: own label. There's always an excuse. And the thing is, 293 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 6: in the old days, people just said, oh, you stop 294 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 6: me from doing that. 295 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 4: I'll show you. 296 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 6: That should be the words that we that people learn 297 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 6: to live by. I'll show you. But they don't. They 298 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 6: don't have that in their mentality. 299 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: There's a great It reminds me of a quipp from 300 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: Milton Burrough which is, uh, you know, if if the 301 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 2: doors don't open to you on paraphrasing his create your 302 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: own door exactly, you know. 303 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 6: And so you know, you look at the I'm looking 304 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 6: at this and as I said, we're talking about me 305 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 6: because it wasn't just in Hollywood. The article is about 306 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 6: media as well. How the writers have used to be 307 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 6: white guys, you know, had a certain percentage of of 308 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 6: the writing jobs and I mean, I'm sorry, males and 309 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 6: then a certain number of whites. And it was dominated 310 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 6: by males and whites, and over time that curve has 311 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 6: dropped dramatically. Now it's mostly female and it's non whites. 312 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let me read here statistics here real quick, 313 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: because we have to we're coming up on a break. 314 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: At Yale University's Humanities department, just six out of seventy 315 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: six tenyurre track professors hired since twenty eighteen have been 316 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 2: white men. That's seven point nine percent Brown. University in 317 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: the News since twenty twenty two has hired forty five 318 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: tenure track professors in the humanities and social sciences. Just 319 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 2: three have been white American men. And in twenty fourteen, 320 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: white men were thirty one percent of American medical students. 321 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: By twenty twenty five that had dropped to just twenty 322 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: point five percent. 323 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: That's kind of scary to. 324 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: Know that when you and I are our elderly men, Kevin, 325 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: we might be treated by a doctor in his forties 326 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: that maybe made it through medical school because of quota 327 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: that they had to fill a diversity thing, not because 328 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: he actually earned it. We're going to continue with Kevin 329 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: Jackson and talk about a solution to this, perhaps that 330 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: Kevin himself has come up with called Unified Solutions America, 331 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: and we're super excited to talk about that coming up 332 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: in our actually coming up on the other side of 333 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: this break, this is Tony Katz today. I am Mike 334 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: Coolidge in for Tony and I will be back again 335 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 2: on January seconds and New Year Z. But we will 336 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: be right back in three or four minutes. This is 337 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: Tony Cats Today and Mike Coolidge will continue with Kevin Jackson. 338 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: After that, we're back on Tony Katz Today. Mike Coolidge 339 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: in for Tony. We continue with Kevin Jackson, who's a. 340 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 3: Radio man in his own right. 341 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: You can find more info about Kevin at the Kevin 342 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: Jackson Network dot com or kJ radio dot com. Before 343 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: the break, we were talking about this super viral piece 344 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: called The Lost Generation by a guy named Jacob Savage, 345 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: this writer in Hollywood who's been trying to break in 346 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 2: for fifteen years and discovered that the h the door, 347 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: the avenue to get in, was being squeezed closer and 348 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 2: closer together, getting thinner and thinner, and intentionally so for 349 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: his particular demographic, which is white males. And it's because 350 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: of this fever that has existed in this country for 351 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: the last decade and a half, arguably longer, but really 352 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: reached its peak, I would say, in about twenty twenty, 353 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: and thankfully has been on the slow downhill since. And 354 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: that is the diversity, equity and inclusion mania that has finally, 355 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: I think we hope sort of subsided. Our culture seems 356 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: to be going back to a meritocracy and Kevin, anything 357 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: else about this piece? That again you and this is 358 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: about race, so we're gonna just lay it all out. 359 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: You as a black man reading this basically about a 360 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: white man, a younger white man, a millennial white man 361 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: talking about the very very narrow hallway that wasn't as 362 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: big as it was for you know, people, our age, 363 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: especially in his industry. But anything else you want to 364 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: mention about that article? 365 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I found a lot of things very interesting. Number One, 366 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 6: as I mentioned before, the break media and academia are 367 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 6: two left is dominated industries, and they're the ones who 368 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 6: have put this fat walk out against young white men. 369 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 5: Number That's the first thing. 370 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 6: The second thing is this, if you look at the 371 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 6: contributions of white men, Western men to society in general, 372 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 6: but particularly. 373 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 5: White men in America, and you look at the. 374 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 6: Guys like Elon Musk and Larry you know, the people 375 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 6: found at Oracle and Microsoft and various others. You look 376 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 6: at these guys and you say to yourself, who would 377 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 6: have done it? 378 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: You know, I've asked. 379 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 6: This question, what woman would have back the human genome. 380 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 6: What woman would look to colonize Mars? What black person? 381 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 6: Africa has a whole continent, and there's not a black 382 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 6: person on the continent who says, I want to shoot 383 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 6: a missile up into space, put satellites up there, build 384 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 6: a system called startling, and oh, by the way, I'm 385 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 6: going to land my rockets backwards so I don't have 386 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 6: to redo them. That thought process has never hit anybody 387 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 6: on the continent of Africa. So what I'm getting at 388 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 6: is we're taking some of the best and brightest minds 389 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 6: and we're dismissing them, We're emasculating them, or we don't 390 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 6: want them to raise their hands, we don't want them 391 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 6: to voice their opinions, and we still believe we're going 392 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 6: to create some the excellence that America has created over 393 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 6: the last few decades. America has more patents than any 394 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 6: other country. I mean, look at the number of people 395 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 6: we have. We have more patents than the next few 396 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 6: countries combined. 397 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: And yet we want. 398 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 6: To stifle that level of creator activity because we want 399 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 6: to implement this silly stuff called DEI. Ironically, in the country, 400 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 6: it is the most diverse, the most equitable and the 401 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 6: most inclusive than any in the world. Now, if I 402 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 6: sum the article up in any particular. 403 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 4: Piece, that's it in a nutshell. 404 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 6: But I do recommend people read it because, as I said, 405 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 6: it is a condemnation of the two very things that 406 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 6: say we're just going to look at people for their 407 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 6: character and how good they are. 408 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 5: And all this. 409 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 6: And yet you can see the slow degradation and the 410 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 6: attack on the male and in particularly in particularly the 411 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 6: white male. But they really are going after all males, 412 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 6: but they're using the white male as sort of their 413 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 6: their muse for the time being. 414 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 5: So yeah, those are my observations from it. 415 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this YouTube channel I watch nerd Rotic and 416 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: he's a few Star Wars fan and he criticizes all 417 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 2: the Star Wars movies and that was the more some 418 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: ones and all the shows. And for a while, they 419 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: really really uh leaned into woke future. Yeah it was 420 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: super woke. But the future is female. They kept saying 421 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: that the future is female. And it seemed like even 422 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: in a lot of the the Star Wars sequel, it 423 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 2: was like, we're going to diminish the heroes from the 424 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: previous movies. 425 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: They're not gonna do anything, and we're gonna make this 426 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: the the you know, female lead, you know, the biggest 427 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 3: things in sliced spread. 428 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, if you watch the original Star Wars, Princess Leah 429 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: was a pretty strong character in her own right. There 430 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: have been plenty of female strong leads in movies like 431 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: Sigourney Weaver and Alien and Aliens, who is fantastic. But 432 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: there's this like history only began. It's the same, the 433 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: same cohort, the millennials that seem to uh just want 434 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 2: to re configure how society is set up, and they're 435 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: going to focus on identitarians him over everything else. And 436 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 2: there's one particular demographic that uh that that that was 437 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: left behind for their particular generation. 438 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: And I don't know what. 439 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: One of the things that I admire about you and 440 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: and our mutual friend who I know co founded this 441 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: Unified Solutions America with you, and I found out about 442 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: it honestly on the radio. I was listening to our 443 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: friend Will Riley, who used to come on my radio 444 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: show regularly on a on a show in Chicago, and 445 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: he was talking about this, uh, you know thing that 446 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: you guys put together, and so like I want to 447 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: I want to get involved in this. This sounds awesome, 448 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: and I'm on the again, full disclosure, I'm on the 449 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 2: advisory board of it. But this you, why did you 450 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: do this? You saw not obviously you created this well 451 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: before this article and this, you know de I stuff's 452 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: been going on for years. What was the impetus for 453 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: you to say, you know what, let's do something about 454 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: this complete sickness that goes against our ep lortibus unham 455 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: motto of our country out of many one instead this identitarianism. 456 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: What was the emvidus for you to start this company? 457 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 6: So, as a matter of background, I was a management 458 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 6: consultant to the largest companies in the world before I 459 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 6: got into political punditry, and I wrote a book called 460 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 6: The Big Black Lie, my first book. Absolutely phenomenal book. 461 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 6: I'm not saying it because I wrote it. I'm telling 462 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 6: you it's phenomenal book. And it essentially talks about being 463 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 6: this young kid whose mother died before he turned five, 464 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 6: father in San Quentin prison, and being told all the 465 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 6: things I couldn't do as a young black kid growing 466 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 6: up in the sixties, and I was like, this is 467 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 6: complete nonsense. And so I've watched the infantilizing of the 468 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 6: black culture and this slow transition of black culture into 469 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 6: what it is today, which to me is unrecognizable from 470 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 6: what I grew up in and I described it a 471 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 6: bit earlier in the first segment. So I believed in meritocracy. 472 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 5: Period. 473 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 6: If somebody was better than you, you worked hard and 474 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 6: you tried to get better, or you found out. You 475 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 6: know what, I'm not an artist. Stop trying to be 476 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 6: an artist, Kevin. You draw like you're drawing with your feet. 477 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 6: Go be in something else. Go be a football player, 478 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 6: Go be an accountant. Find out what you're good at. 479 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 6: And so then when I got into management consulting, and 480 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 6: I'm looking at these companies and I'm watching HR departments 481 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 6: grow from HR to fifty different flavors. Well, I'm the 482 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 6: HR person for LGBT, and then no, I'm the HR 483 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 6: person for the L. I'm the HR person for the G, 484 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 6: the B T, the Q, the eight, the plus, you know, 485 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 6: the blacks, the whites, or whatever is. And I'm going, 486 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 6: what are you guys doing? I got to ask at 487 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 6: a company, Kevin, do you want to be? When I 488 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 6: was an electrical design engineer designing supercomputers, Kevin, do you 489 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 6: want to be part of the Black Engineers Association. I said, 490 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 6: what do we design supercomputers for just black people? Or 491 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 6: do we design them for people? And so those are 492 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 6: the things I saw. 493 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 5: In the eighties and the nineties, and I said, you 494 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: know what. 495 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 4: I see where we're headed here. 496 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 6: We're going to be companies are going to be so 497 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 6: focused on do I have a cross sex cross you know, 498 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 6: dressing Guatemalan transsexual, you know, midget to put in this 499 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 6: box because I need to fill the box, versus do 500 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 6: I have somebody competent? And so it became sort of 501 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 6: this thing to put meritocracy, which is what black people 502 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 6: grew up with. 503 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 4: Look, white, white folks. 504 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 6: If I said to you who was the first white 505 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 6: boxing heavyweight champ or whatever you may not know, I 506 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 6: know who the first black heavyweight boxing champion was, Jack Johnson. 507 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 4: Why do I know that? 508 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 6: Because black folks, we were proud of our first We 509 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 6: were proud of Arthur ash Wyomi, Attias Wilma, Rudolph Arthur 510 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 6: I Am. 511 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 5: I mean I could go down the. 512 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 4: List of first Jesse Owens, right. 513 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 6: We knew who they were because they represented us and 514 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 6: they represented us in the best way possible and It 515 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 6: was part of our DNA to say you better, you know, 516 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 6: you better be the Jackie Robinson or whatever you do, Kevin, 517 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 6: you better be this or that. We put that was 518 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 6: so ingrained in us, it was pathetic. Why are we 519 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 6: not ingraining that in people anymore? To be the best 520 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 6: representative of number one, yourself, number two, your family, number three, 521 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 6: your community, number four, your state, you know, and it 522 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 6: goes out to being the best representative of your country, 523 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 6: of your culture. 524 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 5: And we don't do that anymore. 525 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 6: And so when I looked at businesses, I looked at 526 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 6: the failing businesses, and I said, I can tell you 527 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 6: exactly why you're failing. You don't care about your product. 528 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 6: All you care about is meeting some DEI or ESG. Nonsense. 529 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 6: That's zero, I mean zero to do with your product. Oh, 530 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 6: our stuff was ethically sourced, so our chickens were. 531 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 5: You know what, they call it free range. Let me 532 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: tell you, a dead chicken is a dead chicken. 533 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: I don't care what it was. 534 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 5: Free range, there was raised in a singing. 535 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 6: So at the end of the day, stop telling me 536 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 6: what you're doing and start just making your product the best. 537 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 4: Look at the people who make their products. The best. 538 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 6: Elon Musk body will debate that Elon Musk is making 539 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 6: the best possible product. There is nobody that makes better 540 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 6: telecommunications equipment. 541 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 5: It makes better cars, it makes better. 542 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 6: Earth moving equipment, this core drilling machines, anything that guy touches. 543 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 6: It is all about meritocracy. 544 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: That's what we should be focused on. 545 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm all in on this. I think it 546 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: is the wave of the future of you know, how 547 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: companies and how institutions should be set up. Really, it's 548 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: going it's not going backwards, it's progressing forward to unity, 549 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: to yes, the melting pot sort of mentality and merit 550 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: comes first. What you do and accomplish comes first. I 551 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: don't care what the color of the skin is of 552 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: the pilot of my plane. I hope and pray he's 553 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: the best pilot he can possibly be and he beat 554 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: out of a bunch of other people for that job. 555 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: When I know that Unified Solutions of America is trying 556 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: to help companies get to that, get back to that merit, 557 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: not the DEI junk science, Kevin, Unfortunately, we're out of time. 558 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: Heck, we gould had you on all three hours. 559 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: But anything else you'd like to add before we say goodbye, 560 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: Kevin Jackson, No, guys, look. 561 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 5: Check out Unified Solutions America. And also I have a 562 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 5: charity that does the. 563 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 6: Same thing, Seeking Educational Excellence dot org does it for education, 564 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 6: so hopefully people will check those sites. 565 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: Out Seeking Educational Excellent Excellence dot Org and Unified Solutions 566 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: of America. Kevin Jackson, thanks so much for coming on 567 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. This is Mike Coolidge in for Tony. 568 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: Will be right back, yes he does. Welcome back Tony 569 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: Katz today. Mike Coolidge in for Tony k O O 570 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: L I DG E on X. This story is is 571 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: going viral and it reminds me of some other stories 572 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: or this this piece that this jacobsa route called the 573 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: Lost Generation. 574 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: Just look it up Google the Lost Generation. It'll pop 575 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 3: up right away. Jade Vance was tweeted about it earlier. 576 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: It reminds me of I. 577 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: Have an Asian friend, one of my best friends, who 578 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: was very high up at a very well known corporation, 579 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: and during the George Floyd Mania twenty twenty one, he 580 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: gets called into a zoom you know, because people were 581 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: all doing zoom then because it was the COVID era, 582 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 2: and he it's a special zoom that he was on 583 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: for this you know, big corporation. 584 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 3: And he. 585 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: When he joined the zoom, he knew right away, now 586 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: I see what they're doing. Every single person, you know, 587 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: his screen was filled with it was I don't know 588 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: twenty people, and all of them were Asian, and he 589 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: is concerned, and he just kind of rolled his eyes immediately, 590 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: and the facilitator said something to the effect of, Okay, 591 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: so we have everyone of Asian descent in our in 592 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: the in this meeting here of this company, and so 593 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: we just want to kind of use this as a 594 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: sounding board, and I want you to express any sort 595 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: of racism that you might have felt at at this 596 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 2: you know, corporation. And he listens to a lot of people. 597 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: Uh some of them, you know, said ridiculous things. Some 598 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: people kind of questioned the point of it, and then 599 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: he questioned the point of it too. He's like, what 600 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 2: we're so, we're searching for problems here where they don't exist. 601 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: I haven't felt any racism at all anywhere ever about 602 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: you know, in this particular company. Why do we waste 603 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: Why are we wasting our time on this? Shouldn't we 604 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: be focused on making X I don't want to say 605 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: what they make, but you know. 606 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 3: They're a big deal. 607 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: You know, should I shouldn't we be focusing on Isn't 608 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: this an absolute waste of time? And it is a 609 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: microcos of the larger waste of time that has occurred 610 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: over the last ten years, waste of time and money, 611 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars towards d I at various institutions, corporations, 612 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: and the federal government. I mean, the federal government during 613 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 2: the entire Obama era leaned really really into this, entire 614 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: departments and department heads centered around DEI. There's a piece 615 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 2: by Jay Batachara and Matthew Momoli how they cured DEI 616 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: at the National Institutes of Health that I read that 617 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 2: was really good, just talking about how they saw a problem, 618 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: a waste of government money. I don't know if this 619 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: was necessarily done with DOGE, but PEG talked about how 620 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 2: they're undoing it there getting more bang for your buck 621 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: from American taxpayers to know that they're not wasting money 622 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 2: on this DEI ridiculousness at the federal level, one department down, NIH, 623 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: many many. 624 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 3: More to go. 625 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: As far as extricating from this, this is Tony Kat, 626 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 2: stay up 627 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 3: We'll be right back.