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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: I cannot really explain to you why it is that

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Zelensky hasn't read the peace deal yet, although I

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Speaker 1: know Zelenski was in the UK meeting with Kirs Starmer,

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, and that should come to it end quickly.

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Speaker 2: I mean kis Starmer's Prime minister. He's just terrible Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, between the free speech issues, between the

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Speaker 1: coddling of Islamists, and of course the weakness overall when

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Speaker 1: it comes to strategy. This is a guy who is shameful.

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Speaker 1: And this is really all the fault of the royal family. Again,

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Speaker 1: I put it all on Prince William. The UK will fold,

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Speaker 1: it will fall apart, and Prince George will never be

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Speaker 2: If they continue to go down this path, Prince.

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Speaker 1: William as King William will be the last king. That's

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. They have work to do, and

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Speaker 1: the Royals won't talk about the problem. You can't rely

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Speaker 1: on Harry and Meghan. First of all, they're barely royals

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Speaker 1: and secondly they're fools. This is not a time for

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Speaker 1: Neville Chamberlain progressives, and Nevil Chamberlain never would have even

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Speaker 1: been this.

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Speaker 2: Kind of progressive.

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Speaker 1: You got to stand up and fight and change the

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Speaker 1: course of your nation and of your future. Otherwise he's

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Speaker 1: going to be the last king. Keir Starmer's a failed

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Speaker 1: prime minister. And then you've got Emmanuel Macrone there and

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Speaker 1: others meeting with Zolenski about a peace deal with Russia.

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Speaker 1: But there's a peace deal on the table, and according

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Speaker 1: to Trump, Zolensky hasn't read it yet.

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Speaker 2: Now that could mean a whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 1: It could be nothing more than a pressure campaign to

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Speaker 1: make sure that they get to this thing being done.

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Speaker 1: Because it being done, of course, is Trump's everything. He

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Speaker 1: wants it done to say, look what I did. I

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Speaker 1: told you i'd get it done. I got it done.

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Speaker 1: I'm the best, Thank you, good night. The first rule

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Speaker 1: of trump Ism is Trump wins. The second rule of

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Speaker 1: trump Ism is that a deal can always be made

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Speaker 1: as long as it adheres to the first rule of

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Speaker 1: trump Ism. Well, Trump did an interview with Dashah Burns.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that Dashah Burns was still connected

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Speaker 1: with Politico. I thought she had left Politico to do

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Speaker 2: Neither here nor there. Dashah Burns was doing the interview.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that I'm a super big fan er

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Speaker 1: It's that it's it goes in earnest. It's interesting, and

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Speaker 1: it's Trump. People forget this part of him when there

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Speaker 1: isn't the place for the bomb bast when he isn't

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Speaker 1: trying to throw a bomb, when he isn't having to

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Speaker 1: respond to lunacy, he wants to engage thoughtfully. Now sometimes

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Speaker 1: he you know, he meanders back and forth, and he'll

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Speaker 1: always get into a thing when it comes to Ukraine

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Speaker 1: by our president. We're past that argument. It's it's boring

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Speaker 1: the game. Here we are, now what is our plan?

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Speaker 2: Now? That's the only question.

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Speaker 1: So in the interview and this piece I have for you,

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Speaker 1: it goes pretty long. I think it's it starts out

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Speaker 1: certainly as a worthy conversation about what the goal is

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Speaker 1: here and what the real problems are.

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Speaker 3: The last night, you said that you weren't sure if

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Speaker 3: President Zelensky was fine with the most recent proposal, that

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Speaker 3: he isn't ready. I was hearing from your advisors around

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Speaker 2: Still not done.

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Speaker 3: Is Zelensky responsible for the stalled progress or what's going

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Speaker 4: Well, he's going to read he hadn't written.

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Speaker 5: Really, he hasn't read of yesterday, and maybe he's read

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Speaker 4: His people loved the proposal. They really liked it. His lieutenants,

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Speaker 1: Because the argument that he hasn't read it would lead

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Speaker 1: So the ideality hasn't read it, I think is mean

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Speaker 2: Everybody else on his team really loves.

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Speaker 1: It, but not him. It means something else. It means

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Speaker 1: there's a reticence to which I mean that's gonna bother

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Speaker 5: I think he should find time to read it.

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Speaker 3: Is it time for Ukraine to hold an election? Do

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Speaker 5: It's been a long time, it hasn't been doing particularly well. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think it's time. I think it's an important time

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Speaker 5: to hold an election. You know, they're using war not

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Speaker 5: Zeleski would win. I don't know who would win, but

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are gonna scream that Trump

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Speaker 1: The last election was twenty nineteen. The scheduled election was

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. But then they had the war Ukraine

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Speaker 2: Part of the health of a nation is to be

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Speaker 2: able to do just that. Here we are in.

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Speaker 1: Dire straits, but the republic for us for others democracy,

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Speaker 1: if you will, Endoors, we have the election, we go on.

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Speaker 1: It was an interesting point made. You know, here's Richard

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Speaker 2: Just for clarity, it was nothing.

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Speaker 1: I don't care how history has built it up up,

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Speaker 1: and know nothings have talked it up. Watergate was zero

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Speaker 1: I didn't say Watergate was great, I'm saying in comparison

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Speaker 2: What Biden did is some of the most obscene stuff

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Speaker 1: But someone pointed out that here's all this stuff happening

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Speaker 1: with with Richard Nixon and a country divide and embroileden scandal.

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Speaker 2: He resigns, Here comes gerald Ford. Coun'try just kept moving on.

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Speaker 1: No disasters, no shots fired there he is now.

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Speaker 2: It's not to say that people didn't try and take

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Speaker 1: It was the point of we've got a really good

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Speaker 1: an interesting conversation about the election, and it's meant to

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Speaker 2: Zelensky. Listen, you ain't.

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Speaker 1: Doing the job, You're not coming to the table, You're

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Speaker 1: you're not reading the thing, which is really a code

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Speaker 2: What's your value here? Maybe you're the problem.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Vladimir I should start floating the concept that you're

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Speaker 1: the impediment.

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Speaker 2: That's what this is. It's a pressure campaign.

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Speaker 3: In this interview on Sunday, your son Donald Trump Junior

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Speaker 3: responded to a reporter's question about whether you will quote

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Speaker 3: walk away from Ukraine and your son said, I think

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Speaker 3: he may. Is that correct.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not correct, but it's not exactly wrong. We

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Speaker 5: have to, you know, they have to play ball if

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Speaker 5: they if they don't read agreements, potential agreements. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's not easy with Russia because Russia is the upper

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Speaker 5: much stronger in that sense. I give Ukraine at a

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Speaker 5: some point the size will win generally, and this is

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Speaker 5: I mean, the numbers are just crazy. This is not

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Speaker 5: a war that should have happened. This is a war

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Speaker 5: that would have never happened if I were president.

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Speaker 1: So I hate that talking point. Just enough of it already.

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Speaker 1: It's a personal thing. Maybe you feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But the the larger scale conversation here about this war

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Speaker 1: again is the pressure campaign, but it was about will

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Speaker 2: We brought this up yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think that there is a feeling from Trump, part

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Speaker 1: of him that says, listen, if you guys don't want this.

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of waste my time, my capital on this.

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Speaker 2: You figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck. Enjoy Europe, enjoy this mess. It's all

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Speaker 1: yours now. These two freaks forget it. I think there

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Speaker 1: He can't handle the concept of war.

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Speaker 2: He can't handle the concept of the fighting. He can't

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Speaker 1: It drives him to a point of absolutely mental Why

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Speaker 1: in the world would you fight with each other? Why

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Speaker 1: in the world do you kill each other? Just engage

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Speaker 1: it doesn't rank anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Take a look at the United States. In Iran.

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Speaker 1: Your bomb Foordeaux, your bomb is Fahan, your bomb Natons,

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Speaker 2: It's how he works, it's how he operates. It does

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Speaker 2: it does.

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Speaker 1: Turn foreign policy concepts directly on their head, which is

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Speaker 1: why he was willing to meet with Kim jongun and others.

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Speaker 1: His base philosophy is the concept of war keeps you

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Speaker 1: from the concept of trade, and money is better than killing.

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Speaker 1: So what are we all doing? That's the basic concept.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a driving principle. We all understand it.

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Speaker 1: minute you heard it, you're like, yeah, that is that

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Speaker 1: is what he's about. It is so I think that

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Speaker 1: I don't think he can bring himself to walk away

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Speaker 1: from the whole thing.

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Speaker 5: Who was said, millions of people are dead, many many soldiers.

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Speaker 5: You know last month they lost twenty seven thousand soldiers

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Speaker 5: Kiev and other places. But what a what a sad

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Speaker 5: thing for you man. You know this doesn't affect us.

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Speaker 5: Our country is no longer paying any money. It was

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Speaker 5: a Biden gave him three hundred and fifty billion dollars

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Speaker 5: so stupidly, And you know, if he wouldn't have given it,

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Speaker 5: for Zelensky didn't like Zelensky.

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Speaker 4: They really hate each other.

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Speaker 5: And part of the problem is they hate each other

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Speaker 5: really a lot, you know, and it's very hard for

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Speaker 5: I settled eight wars, and this I would have said,

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Speaker 5: this is the ninth. This would have been the easiest one,

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Speaker 4: Or one of the easier ones.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I said one that was going on for

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Speaker 5: thirty six years. I settled Pakistan and India. I settled

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Speaker 5: so many wars. I'm very proud of it. And I

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Speaker 5: me to do. It's what I do. I make deals.

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Speaker 5: This one is tough. One of the reasons is the

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Speaker 5: level of hatred between Putin and so Lensky is tremendous.

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Speaker 2: And it's the part that he can't.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean this negatively, right, It's not a knock

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Speaker 1: on him. It's about understanding him, and I think that

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Speaker 3: You're right, you're not spending money, but you start are

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Speaker 5: And I want to stop saving, you know, I want

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Speaker 5: to stop saying people can.

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Speaker 3: This deal of Zelensky rejects this deal. Is there a timeline?

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Speaker 3: Is there a point at which.

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Speaker 5: You say, well, he's going to have to get on

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Speaker 3: Ukraine has Do you think Ukraine has lost this war?

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Speaker 5: Well, they've lost territory long before I got here. They

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Speaker 5: lost a whole strip of seafront, big seafront.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you look at the maps.

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Speaker 5: I've been here for ten months, but you go back

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Speaker 4: They lost that whole strip.

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Speaker 5: It's now a big it's a wider strip, but they

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Speaker 5: lost a lot of land.

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Speaker 4: And it's very good land too that they lost.

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Speaker 1: So he is not going to admit that the war

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Speaker 1: is lost. But he is, I think exactly where we think.

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Speaker 1: Can't believe these tour fighting, can't believe. It's so difficult.

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Speaker 1: The hatred amongst these two is so great, and the

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Speaker 1: hatred to him is completely stupid. That's how he sees it.

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Speaker 1: So I this is only a short part of the

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Speaker 1: to see enough, and he can.

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Speaker 2: Do he can dig in.

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Speaker 1: And credit to Tasha Burns, I didn't think her questions

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Speaker 2: You went ask, Hey, your son said this, do you

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Speaker 2: agree with that? Hey? Do you think that this war?

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Speaker 2: Do you think Ukraine's lost the war?

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Speaker 1: Now that is a little bit of a ooh, please

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Speaker 1: say that, because that'll allow me the biggest scoop ever

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Speaker 1: rights It's Walter Cronkite time. This war has lost et Ce.

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Speaker 1: But Trump didn't buy into that. He didn't profer that.

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure that he didn't profer that.

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Speaker 4: You certainly wouldn't say it's a victory. And I could

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Speaker 4: show you a chart. It's a lot of land I lost.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of land.

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Speaker 5: I think they were to think of it if our

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Speaker 5: election wasn't rigged.

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Speaker 4: It was a rigged election.

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Speaker 5: Now everyone knows it's going to come out over the

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Speaker 5: next couple of months, too loud and clear, because we

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Speaker 5: have all the information there. But if the election wasn't

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Speaker 5: rigged and stolen, you wouldn't even be talking about Ukraine

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Speaker 2: But we are.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious to see what information he's got about

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election to put out. So Trump does

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Speaker 1: some of the things he always does, but when presented

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Speaker 1: with a calm conversation and asked worthy questions, he digs in.

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Speaker 1: If more journalists would do that on the regular, we'd

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Speaker 1: have less crazy.

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Speaker 2: The thing that they.

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Speaker 1: Can't believe is that he fights back, and the thing

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Speaker 1: we can't believe is that they haven't learned that he

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Speaker 1: fights back.

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Speaker 2: But if you ask rational questions like.

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Speaker 1: A rational person, you get answers that you could sink

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Speaker 1: your teeth into, which I personally prefer.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today,