1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: So Trump's gonna meet with Zaronmumdannie. That's the mayor elect 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: of New York. And by the way, New York, I 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: remember you used to be a great city. Whatever you 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: are now, I wish you the best of luck. I 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: really did have a plan to go with my wife 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: and take one final trip. Hit Googenheim, hit the met 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: have some good food to bowl it down there at 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: the bottom of Hell's Kitchen, a couple of our favorite places. 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna get there, and that means, okay, 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: my days in New York are done. It was a 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: good time. It was Tony Katz, Tony Katz today. Good 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: to be with you. Ed Marscy joins me right now 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: from hotair dot com. That's where you find him. President 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Trump meeting with zar On Mamdannie at the White House today. 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: That's at least the plan there. I'm very curious as 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: to two parts, and I want your thoughts. 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: First, why the meeting. Secondly, what the meeting? Why the meeting? 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: I think that Donald Trump wanted to sort of de 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: escalate some of the rhetoric that had been generated between 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: New York City and the White House. I think Zoron 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: Mamdani sees even more value in that. I think he 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: wants to be seen as somebody who is ready to 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: not just be an activist, but to be actually a 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: responsible leader in New York, which we're going to discuss 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: another story which shows how unprepared he is actually to 26 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: be that kind of a leader. And I think for 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, I think he wants to find ways to 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: take the sting out of the radical left in terms 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: of politics, and there's some there's that's a dangerous balance 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: to play there because you risk making them more credible 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: in the long run. But one of the issues that 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: the administration is facing right now is the affordability crisis. 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: And Zoronmumdanni and the radical left are framing the affordability 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: crisis in one way, and I think Donald Trump really 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: does need to seize the initiative on affordability. We've seen JD. 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: Vans talking about that this week, but I think that 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: this is Donald Trump's way of trying to get in 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: front of that and to present his own thoughts so 39 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: that Mondnnie isn't the only person talking about affordability in 40 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: the political sphere nationally speaking. So there's something for both 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 2: men to gain here. I'm not sure how much traction 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: either one is going to get out of this, but 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: it does have one other thing, which is to sort 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: of dial down the bitterness that is so rampant right now. 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: So if these two guys can sit down and have 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: a conversation, ban. 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Levitt said yesterday from the White House briefing that a 48 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: communist is coming to the White House, there's. 49 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: No time down ed. This is. I guess it's a 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: app This one goes to eleven. That's where I guess 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: it does go to eleven. I guess it does go 52 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: to eleven. But if if that was the case, I 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: don't think Donald Trump would have agreed to have the meeting. 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump is a guy who said I 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: will meet with anybody. I will sit down with anybody, 56 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: and he proved that in the first arm he sat 57 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: down with Kim from North Korea. He's willing to sit 58 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: down with anybody to discuss issues as long as that 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: person's willing to actually discuss sessionally. He is a negotiator, 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: that's what he does. I think the other thing that 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: he gets out of this is he gets a chance 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: to assess Mum Donnie more personally. I think he gets 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: a chance to take a look at this guy, take 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: his measure, and I think he's much better at that 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: than mum Donnie is going in the other direction. I 66 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: don't think mum Donnie's got the life experience to do 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: that very well. Yet Donald Trump's very good at that. 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think that there's tactical gains that 69 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: can be made here, But strategically speaking, I don't know 70 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: that much of anything's going to get settled. 71 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: And that is true. Trump does like to size a 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: people up. He does like and engages in that reading 73 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: of people. 74 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: Let's take a read. I'm I'm Donnie right. 75 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: He is a communist, he's an Islamist, he's an anti semi. Well, 76 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: this is the story from hot air dot com written 77 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: by you Ed Morrissey, Mom Dona, anti Semitic pro test 78 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: Jews misused sacred space to promote Israel or something. 79 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: This was people surrounding. 80 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: What was supposed to be this interfaith meeting, screaming globalized 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: the inta Fada. 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: It's only amazing that no one ended up dead. What's 83 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: the story here, Well, I think you pretty much covered it. 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: You had a bunch of people showing up with a 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: right outside of the synagogue. Right, they were right outside 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: the synagogue. They were screaming globalized the into Fada. They 87 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: were screaming, we need to make them scared. And what 88 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: was going on inside the synagogue was that there is 89 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: an Israeli nonprofit which promotes Aliyah, which is the return 90 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: of the. 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 2: Diaspora Jews to Israel. Right, this is something that Israel's 92 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: been doing since the founding of Israel, and this particular 93 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: group facilitates this. And they were making a presentation there 94 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: at this synagogue in New York to tell the Jews there, Hey, 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: if you want to emigrate back to Israel, here's how 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: you do it. We can help you out with this. 97 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: And then Mamdani is pressed. Now got to remember that 98 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: Mam Donnie's not governor yet or mayor yet, but he's 99 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: the mayor elect. And he gets asked about this. And 100 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: rather than condemn the anti Semitic activists that are outside 101 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: there trying to terrorize the people inside the synagogue, or 102 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: criticize the police that allowed that protest to get that 103 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: close to the synagogue in the first place, Normally they 104 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: would have pushed that down the street a little bit, 105 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: he said well, you know, they shouldn't. They shouldn't use 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: that type of you know, rhetoric. But the real issue 107 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: is that the synagogue is allowing people to use sacred 108 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: space to violate international law. Now there's no international law 109 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: against Jews returning to Israel. In fact, there's no international 110 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: law and I'm using that in scare quotes that has 111 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: anything to do with the settlements either, which is what 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: their point is. That supposedly the. 113 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: Time or the third time he's brought up this idea 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: of international law and the international law in New York City. 115 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: I mean, he's showing that he really does not have 116 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: an interest in what is the constitution and the laws 117 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: of the land, right. 118 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: I mean, he was talking about that earlier this week 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: in terms either last week or earlier this week in 120 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: terms of Benjamin NETANYAHUO coming to New York City and 121 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: saying that he'd have him arrested because New York City 122 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: is a city. At international law, it most certainly is not. 123 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: New York City is a city that is chartered under 124 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: the constitution of the State of New York, which is 125 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: subordinate to the Constitution of the United States. International law 126 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: to the extent that there is any such thing as 127 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: international law. There is, but it's very limited. Is the 128 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: authority the jurisdiction of the federal government, not of the state, 129 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: and not of a city. And so there's no such 130 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: thing in the United States as a city of international law. 131 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 2: And the idea that there is. First off, I would 132 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: love to see Mom Donnie go in there and personally 133 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: try to arrest Benjamin Nawho when he's surrounded by not 134 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: just US Secret Service but probably some of his own 135 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: security personnel. Good luck with that. Write us from prison. 136 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: But I mean, the whole idea is absurd. He is 137 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: the mayor of a city. He is not an arbiter 138 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: of international law. And my guess is that the only 139 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: international law that he even has studied is entirely the 140 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: product of a couple of seminars at whatever university managed 141 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: to go to ten percent. 142 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: Anything he is discussing is theoretical and based on I'm 143 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: assuming it's based on some level of humanist nonsense view, 144 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: and not based on anything in practicality or anything in 145 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: history or anything on any books anywhere. Talking to Ed 146 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Marscy of hotair dot com, but when you are a Marxist, 147 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: you have to invent things in order to be able 148 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: to bring justice all the way around. 149 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: He is what he is, what he is. 150 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: And so when we go back to this meeting with 151 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: President Trump, I wonder if that's going to be addressed. 152 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, to the extent that anything's televised 153 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: or we get to see the video of it, whether 154 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: or not that back and forth actually takes place. Trump 155 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: being definitely a pugilist, whether or not he's going to 156 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: see whether not Mom Donnie can take a punch, or 157 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: whether he's gonna be the as Bill mart described, absolutely 158 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: sweetest pie guy. Let me hear what you have to say, 159 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: because that's the way I get the best read on you. 160 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: Speaking of reads, and let's move over to the story 161 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: where I have stated, as clear as day, I have 162 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: no idea how this deal is going to work. Which 163 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: is this you Steve Whitcoff deal regarding Ukraine and a 164 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: peace deal as I understand it, And I also want 165 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: to know your thoughts on how Axios got the story 166 00:08:58,880 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: and was able to leak that. 167 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: The story states that a new peace. 168 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: Deals on the table, where Ukraine says to Russia, you 169 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: get the donbask you get Dnetsk, you get Lahansk, you 170 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: get parts of Zaporsia, this whole eastern section that will 171 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: lead you down and connect to Crimea. It's more land 172 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: than Russia's actually taken hold of via these violent means. 173 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: So talk to me about what you know about this 174 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: peace deal. 175 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: And Zelensky's response, which is basically, we either stay friends 176 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: with the United States or we and if we do that, 177 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: we give up our dignity. 178 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: Which one do you want to do? Everybody? Which one 179 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: do you want? Yeah? I mean the question here isn't 180 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: so much dignity, it is and I get what he's saying, 181 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,599 Speaker 2: and I have a lot of sympathy for Zelenski. I 182 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: have a lot of sympathy for Ukraine. True justice in 183 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: this case would be Russia ejected from Ukraine as it 184 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: was constituted prior to twenty fourteen, when Russia actually took 185 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: effective control of almost all of these territories during the 186 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: Obama administration. They used proxies in the Dhanbas, they actually 187 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: used Russian military and Crimea they seized pretty much, well 188 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: at least mostly, everything that would be assigned to them 189 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: in this peace deal. The tricky part of this here 190 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: is that those areas are primarily Russia. Ethnic Russian areas 191 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: in the first place, they've always been rested against the 192 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: Ukrainian the ethnic Ukrainians in the rest of the country. 193 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: There's lots of historical reasons why the Russians are in 194 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: the Dhanbas and why the ethnic Ukrainians are elsewhere, but 195 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: it's been a political problem for the last twenty something 196 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: years twenty five years, I think, or twenty two years 197 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: when the Orange Revolution first popped up. That was the 198 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: ethnic Ukrainians finally getting some political control of Ukraine from 199 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: the ethnic Russians who were primarily from the Eastern region. 200 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: And this is where all of this starts off is 201 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: during that period of time. So I think with this 202 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: what they're looking at here is that they are ethnic 203 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: Russian territories that Russia is simply not going to give up, 204 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: and they're trying to create an ethnic Russian, ethnic Ukrainian 205 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: state that is defensible by ethnic Ukrainians. And the reason 206 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: why they're trying to do that is because you've got 207 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,359 Speaker 2: a four year stalemate, neither side is actually doing anything 208 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: in terms of moving the lines to any significant amount, 209 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: and you've got people dying all over the place in 210 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: both Russia and Ukraine and especially in the front lines 211 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 2: for no reason whatsoever. Over the last three and a 212 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: half years, nothing's been achieved, nothing's been accomplished. I think 213 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: Trump just wants to say, look, realistically speaking, the lines 214 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: are where the lines are at. Let's separate the ethnic 215 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: Russians from the ethnic Ukrainians and then offer them an 216 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: Article five type of guarantee to keep Russia from doing 217 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: this all over again. 218 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: So what get what makes this weird is that the 219 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: Article five we're talking about NATO there an attack on 220 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: one as an. 221 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: Attack on all. 222 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: The Article five guarantee came when we said, hey, let's 223 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: do the rarest minerals type of deal, because that would 224 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: involve the United States being involved in extracting those minerals, 225 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: and we are not about to leave them defenseless. 226 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: They would have security forces. That was the security guarantee. 227 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: It was it was de facto in the deal, but 228 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: it was implied in the deal. This is explicit. It 229 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: was implied in that it was implied in the Rare 230 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: Earth style. This is explicit and not really because that's 231 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: I mean, the question is whether or not we would 232 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: follow through on that, because, as you know, Tony that 233 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: was also it was also explicit in the Budapeste minimum 234 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: and we didn't follow through on the Budapeste memo, and 235 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: that was part of the reason why we are where 236 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: we're at right now, is that Ukraine thought we would 237 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: actually bring troops into Ukraine to fight off the Russians 238 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two based on the Budapeste Memo. They 239 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: gave up. They gave up, you know, nuclear weapons in 240 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: order to have US guarantee or in exchange for a 241 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: guarantee of their territorial integrity. We didn't do that, and 242 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: this is the reason why I think Zelenski is very 243 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: incedent to trust that this security guarantee would be anything different. 244 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: This one, though, is more explicit that there would be 245 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: a military response to an invasion, whereas the Budapeste Memo 246 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: was foggy on that particular point. Let us just say 247 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: it was ambiguous for a reason, and they found out 248 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: what the reason was in February of twenty twenty two. 249 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: That's Ed Marssey of hotair dot com. I always appreciate you. 250 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: Ed. 251 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: More is coming up bomb Tony Kats and this is 252 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: Tony Kats today.