1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Live from vaal Hartbland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: So is there a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine? Well, 4 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: maybe not yet, but maybe it's in the offing. Is 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: it a deal for Ukraine? And is it the best 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: deal for the United States? And something happening with med 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: school training. I don't know if anybody knew about, but 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Senator Todd Young is trying to bring it to everybody's attention. 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: Senator Todd Young. 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: Joins me right now on the phone, Republican senator from 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: the state of Indiana. I want to get to this 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: legislation that you're introducing about protecting medical students and residents 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: from being coerced into abortion training, how that might conflict 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: with their moral or religious beliefs. But before we do that, 16 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: these reports of a possible peace deal with Russia and Ukraine, 17 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: which would involve obstensibly Ukraine giving up more land than 18 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: Russia's already taken. It doesn't make NATO a it doesn't 19 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: make Ukraine a NATO nation, but it would make it 20 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: kind of, I don't know, NATO adjacent. 21 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: If you will from what you know? What can you 22 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: tell us if you know anything more? And what do 23 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: you think of the possibility of a deal here? 24 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me on, Tony. You know, we're 25 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: all watching this situation in Ukraine and throughout Europe as 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: they hold negotiations about the future of Ukraine and the 27 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: Russia Ukraine War, watching it pretty intently. I've got to say, 28 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: you know, Marco Rubio, Secretary Driscoll who is our army secretary, 29 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: and the President himself, they're working very hard to make 30 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: sure we get adjust and peaceful resolution to this war. Uh, 31 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: it's it's it's horrible. It's been an absolute blood letting 32 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: and and it's and it's just obviously not good for anyone. 33 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: So I have been vocal, you know, through social media 34 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: and interviews and all the rest, that any peace deal 35 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: has to be a good peace deal otherwise that you know, 36 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: it's a surrender. And what does a good piece deal 37 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: look like. Well, it should not limit the size of 38 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: Ukraine's armed forces, because we want Ukraine to deter any 39 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: further aggression, and it should not deter Ukraine from being 40 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: a viable independent nation in the future, controlling its own future. 41 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: So that should reserve to the Ukrainian people, through their government, 42 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: the ability to dictate what their future relationship to other 43 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: European neighbors looks like that should not be something that 44 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin gets to dictate in the terms of an agreement. 45 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: So I hope that we can, you know, at this 46 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: point in the conflict, which has turned into really a 47 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: stalemate now for a number of years, I hope we 48 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: can get some sort of agreement that it will not 49 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: include the provisions I've had, but will bring this horrible 50 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: fighting to a close so that the Ukrainian people can resume, 51 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, economic growth and prosperity and peace, and and 52 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin will go back to, you know, being the 53 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 3: leader of his country and noting in his what he 54 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: likes to call near abroad, the countries of Europe just 55 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: outside of his borders. 56 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: Is this a deal that is from America? 57 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: Is this a deal that is dear Lord, The best 58 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: we can do is just stop the killing, because we 59 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: don't have the resolve, the dollars, or the hardware to 60 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: push of Vladimir Putin all the way back. Is there 61 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: anything that's going to be seen in this from your 62 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: colleagues as we're wimping out here, we're not doing enough, 63 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: we're not pushing hard enough to stop Vladimir Putin and 64 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: not reward this kind of naked aggression. 65 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: Well, the original terms of the twenty eight points of 66 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: this agreement were, you know, they began the conversation and 67 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: I think the Ukrainian government Zelensky appropriately said that there 68 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: are some points here that would undermine our sovereignty, our security, 69 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: our future prosperity, and he couldn't live with them. Now 70 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: we're down to I think the number is nineteen points 71 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: that are more acceptable, and it's in the balls in 72 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: the court of Vladimir Putin to see whether or not 73 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: he can accommodate himself make some moves in terms of 74 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: the negotiation to bring this horrible war which he started, 75 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: to an end, and he hasn't done so. In fact, 76 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: he's doubling down on his position and being stubborn. So 77 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: what's in it for the American people? Well, the American 78 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: people need to understand that since this war began, there's 79 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: been a real blood letting, not just on both sides, 80 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 3: but especially with respect to our adversary of Russia. In fact, 81 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: Russia's casualties in this war exceeded America's deaths in World 82 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: War Two. So there are a lot of Russians dying 83 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: in this war. And because Russia is our adversary, that would, 84 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: though kind of horrible to talk in these terms, that 85 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: is geopolitically, to the advantage of the United States. Russia 86 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: has also not been advancing a perception that's been created 87 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: by some I think in the media, not you, of course, 88 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: that the Russians are on the march, since really, you know, 89 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: for the last couple of years, the Russian forces have 90 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: seized just over one percent of additional Ukrainian territory. That's 91 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: not obviously a lot, it's basically a standstill now. All 92 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: the while, one of our primary adversaries, again Russia, which 93 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: is in a lot clients with China. Their economy is precarious. 94 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: They're basically bootstrapping their entire economy and oil sales to 95 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: the Chinese and Indians and some to the Europeans, and 96 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: so there's real pressure. I think that we have the 97 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: ability to apply a lot more pressure on Russia to 98 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: offer concessions at the negotiating table if they don't do 99 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: so now, and I know Secretary Rubio understands that we 100 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: can sanction not just Russia itself, but any country that 101 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: will trade oil with Russia if they don't agree to 102 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: give the Ukrainians peace and to respect their sovereignty. So 103 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: that's where we are. That's frankly, what a good outcome 104 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: looks like is to see Putin start to move towards 105 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: the American position that we are now representing the nineteen points. 106 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: And it's unclear if he will. It's unclear if Vladimir 107 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: Putin can bring himself to create an environment of peace. 108 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: And you know, I will say that the president has done. 109 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: He's very good at you leverage he has in negotiations. 110 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: He's trying to get the Europeans to step up support 111 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: more of the resourcing given to the Ukrainian freedom fighters, 112 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: and he's having some success there. So the Europeans are 113 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: also involved in this chess game. And I know the 114 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: President wants peace. I want peace, but it has to 115 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: be a very good negotiation so that it's a peace 116 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: worthy of its name. 117 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: Talking to Senator Todd Young, Republican senator from Indiana, Yet 118 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: Russia continues to be obstinate, and Russia certainly did not 119 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: bring itself to the tables, continue to act with impunity. 120 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: There's always the concern that Russia doesn't care because eventually 121 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: it's going to be the vassal state of China anyway, 122 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: where that's where it's money comes from, and therefore that's 123 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: who it does the bidding of. 124 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: But we put that to the side just for a moment. 125 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: This legislation that you have sponsored with Senator James Langford, 126 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: I said Mark Langford earlier. I apologize Senator James Langford 127 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma about protecting medical students. I did not know 128 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: that all medical students have to go through some level 129 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: of abortion training. What is there are abilities already to 130 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: opt out? So you call this the Conscious Protections for 131 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: Medical Residents Act. 132 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: How did this come to your desk? And what is 133 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: the hope here? 134 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? So James Langford, my colleague from Oklahoma, and I 135 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: are both members of pro life Caucus within the US Senate. 136 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: We work with stake holders who bring us changes in 137 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: the law they would like to see in order to 138 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: advance the pro life cause. So that's how this came 139 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: to our attention. And James is shown by the way 140 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: great great leadership on this, and it's great to work 141 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: with them. I don't think most Americans understand that if 142 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: you have a moral not just reservation, but an outright 143 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 3: objection to abortion, you are still required in order to 144 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 3: be accredited as a doctor, as an obg y N, 145 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: you're required to receive abortion training. You can opt out, 146 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: but then there's pressure on the student. You know, they're 147 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: wondering whether it's going to adversely impact their evaluations, their recommendations, 148 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: their future career opportunities, and so that sort of pressure 149 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 3: should not exist and perhaps persuade some people to contradict 150 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 3: their values in order to be a medical doctor. So 151 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: we want to change. We want to flip the script 152 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: as it were, and make sure that the default position 153 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: is no one who does this has to you know, 154 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: who pursues a doctor's certificate and wants to be a 155 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: credit has to do abortion training. You can opt in, 156 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: but you're not required to opt out. The assumption should 157 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: not be that everyone wants to learn how to do abortions. 158 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: That should not be something that they have to undergo. 159 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: So that's all we do is we change the default 160 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: setting on abortion training in the United States of America. 161 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: We know perfecting life, not taking it. 162 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: We know how Democrats feel about abortion and how they 163 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: believe it moves voters. What is the you know, you 164 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: don't bring legis unless you feel that there's real opportunity 165 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: for it to pass. What is the feeling you're feeling 166 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: in the Senate of if this will pass? 167 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: And if so when. 168 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: You know it's interesting? I think this's got a fighting chance. 169 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: Er as you indicate, we wouldn't, we wouldn't bring it 170 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: to the four. We've gotten an amazing amount of feedback, 171 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: positive feedback from constituents and really from people around the 172 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: country encouraging this legislation to be brought through the committee 173 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: in the in past. I imagine my Democrat colleagues are 174 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: hearing from these constituents as well, and I think there's 175 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: an opportunity. Listen, Democrats just lost the last election very badly, 176 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: and the American people were tired of their positions, particularly 177 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 3: on social issues. They've just gone way outside of the mainstream. 178 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: Whatever one's views are on abortion, I think in this case, 179 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: the vast majority of Americans will agree that a doctor 180 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: who has moral object to abortion shouldn't be trained in abortion. 181 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: That shouldn't be the default position. So I think on 182 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: account of the common sensical nature of this and the 183 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: feedback I've received so far, I think there's a good 184 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: shot at this getting done, but we need to hear 185 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: from our constituents. We need them to register their views 186 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: to other members of Congress who haven't yet co sponsored 187 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: this legislation. My colleague Jim Banks has signed on. I 188 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: want to thank him publicly for that, and just encourage 189 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: Hoosiers who regard themselves as pro life or even not 190 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: pro choice, but they don't think pro life doctors should 191 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: have to train an abortion the register that view with 192 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 3: their own members of Congress. 193 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Senator Todd Young of Indiana, I appreciate you taking the 194 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: time to be with us and to be here. Appreciate that. 195 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: Go have a good Thanksgiving. More coming up on Tony Katz. 196 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz Today.