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Speaker 1: Arturo fun Day sharks, number seventy seven, the oneho and I.

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Speaker 2: Said, yeah, I'll take that please. It's heat, drink smoke.

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Speaker 1: That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy.

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Speaker 1: This is a five and seven eights by sixty four,

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Speaker 1: I see what you did there. Everybody hates you now

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Speaker 1: because that's now in their heads. So if I have

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Speaker 1: this right here. There's the sand shark, which is a

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Speaker 1: right here. Connecticut broadleaf rapper. I love Connecticut Broadleaf. Now,

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what that wrapper.

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Speaker 2: It has excellent hand feel. Like you don't mind it. No,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you usually hold your cigars?

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Speaker 1: I'm a little more like end of band. Oh, I

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Speaker 3: But yeah, to me, the hand feel is very nice

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Speaker 2: You're never gonna see these people again. Stop it.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the people there? The village people, the villages?

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's so much better. You think of

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Speaker 1: But like, the restaurants are full and people are hanging out.

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Speaker 1: Schmokes shmok Yes, and you walk in and it's live music,

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Speaker 3: But I will say part of that lifestyle does not

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Speaker 1: So that might happen, Yeah, that might that might be

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Speaker 1: come back here to Indianapolis, Indiana, where we record, then

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Speaker 2: That you would get that. But I love Connecticut broad leaf.

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Speaker 1: Or you wouldn't think that from the fullness of the cigar,

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's a spicy meat the ball. That was

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Speaker 2: Oh you could have said, it's cloudy with a chance

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Speaker 1: As America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Moloy, uh needed some

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Speaker 2: Fingers maloy.

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Speaker 1: If you're already got ground beef and you're already kind

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Speaker 2: With, why not just make a hamburger? Because sometimes you

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Speaker 3: And a lot of times it's fun to just roll

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Speaker 1: See now you're just being that guy. I'm gonna dish

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Speaker 2: Thank you so very much.

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Speaker 1: With the fork there, I think meet people make meatballs

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Speaker 3: It's wonderful and I've never uttered this sentence in my

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Speaker 2: You don't put basil on your meatball. I don't put

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Speaker 3: So this actually reminds me of meat loaf that we make,

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Speaker 1: In the way we do it, we do not cook

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Speaker 1: You get the moist of the meatball, but you get

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Speaker 1: That's my that's my take. So I decided today we

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Speaker 2: A conversation of presentation.

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Speaker 1: If I'm looking for a different type of meal experience,

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Speaker 3: I wonder how big of a freezer you need if

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Speaker 2: This is an absolute.

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Speaker 1: Delight of a cigar, A delight of a cigar, Fingers molloy.

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Speaker 1: Little trouble keeping yours lit, but I think that's because

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Speaker 2: That's who you are.

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Speaker 3: But I got the right place to cut it to

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Speaker 3: You do that so far. I'm really enjoying it, though,

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Speaker 2: The only three boxes I have seen.

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Speaker 1: argue that the the nutty is.

435
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Speaker 2: We often talk about like a nutty cream.

436
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Speaker 1: That happens like if you were to take a we

437
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Speaker 1: actually have if you were taking a handful of cashes,

438
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Speaker 1: just chew on them. That texture, that flavor, that feel

439
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: is a little bit of that.

440
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Speaker 2: I happen to like that quite quite a bit. I

441
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Speaker 2: really do.

442
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Speaker 1: And so that's that's what I'm getting all the way,

443
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Speaker 1: all the way around.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you on all that.

445
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 3: Except for me, there is a chocolate, but it's it's

446
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 3: it's not a dark chocolate. For me, it's a hint

447
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 3: of chocolate and it's not dark, almost like a milk chocolate.

448
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, I'm not here to tell you how to live.

449
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm not scared to tell you that you're wrong.

450
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Speaker 2: But again, you know, we've had meatballs, we've had Puerto

451
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: Rican bread. Yeah, I don't think them. I don't think

452
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Speaker 2: Porto Rican bread is gonna mess it.

453
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Speaker 3: You know, you don't think You don't think it would

454
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: mess with the palette?

455
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Speaker 2: Is it a creaminess or do I still have some

456
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Speaker 2: bread in my molar?

457
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Speaker 1: You might have You might have molar bread, which is

458
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Speaker 1: nothing more than a snack for later.

459
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Speaker 2: Fingers will Why.

460
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Speaker 3: It is time for news of the week, man, I'm

461
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 3: telling you, tony uh. ESPN has really been in the news,

462
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 3: dominating the news in the last week. They've kind of

463
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: consolidating their power. First, they announced that they were going

464
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: to offer a direct to consumer streaming service that will

465
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Speaker 3: cost twenty ninety nine a month. It will include the

466
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: ESPN's they're their full suite of networks. They've also tightened

467
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: their relationship with the NFL h through a deal that

468
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: includes ownership of the NFL network and new licensing deals.

469
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Speaker 3: The NFL will now have a ten stake in ESPN.

470
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Speaker 2: That's nuts.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And to take it a step further, they also

472
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Speaker 3: ESPN reached in agreement with the WWE UH to stream

473
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Speaker 3: special WWE events like WrestleMania and the Royal Rumbull according

474
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Speaker 3: to CNN.

475
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: Now isn't that is that part controversial?

476
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Speaker 1: Did ESPN have a problem with wrestling like back in

477
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Speaker 1: the day or recently? Maybe I've got that wrong, But

478
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Speaker 1: the the the buy in from the NFL.

479
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Speaker 2: This also is Fox Sports.

480
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Speaker 1: Buying in to the entire Indiecar series. Fox Sports, which

481
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Speaker 1: now has as Indie Car, bought into the series. Penske

482
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: Penske Entertainment, which bought the entire series. The Holmans bought

483
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Speaker 1: the track here in Indianapolis, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which

484
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: if you have never been, is a site to behold

485
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: and race day is surreal.

486
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Speaker 2: They bought into it.

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Speaker 1: So why just cover the sport when you can own

488
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Speaker 1: it as well. Since you're already giving it the lift,

489
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Speaker 1: you might as well take advantage of getting something on

490
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Speaker 1: the other side. And is that good or bad for us?

491
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Speaker 3: I think it's bad for us because you see where

492
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Speaker 3: this is going and you know you've got these huge

493
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Speaker 3: let's use the NFL for example. NFL has all these

494
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Speaker 3: huge deals with you know, whether it's CBS or NBC,

495
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: and Peacock and of course Fox, well, all these streaming

496
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Speaker 3: services are starting to come into play and become players

497
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Speaker 3: in the NFL. When you know, when you look at

498
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 3: Netflix and Amazon Prime, ESPN is probably looking at this like, hey,

499
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Speaker 3: we need to create some sort of partnership with the

500
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Speaker 3: NFL to be able to still be guaranteed a player

501
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 3: when it comes to the NFL because you've got all

502
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Speaker 3: these huge you know, Apple may get into football at something.

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Speaker 1: But now the question is will they will Will the

504
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: NFL continue those deals or will they say everything is

505
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Speaker 1: going to be on the broadcast that we offer right

506
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Speaker 1: broadcast TV CBS and NBC of Fox and ESPN and that's.

507
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Speaker 3: It could be, or could the other way around where

508
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Speaker 3: CBS and Fox and NBC have to worry that they

509
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Speaker 3: have to cough up the kind of money that Apple

510
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Speaker 3: can cough up and that Amazon can cough up, and

511
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: we may have a total market dominated by streaming services

512
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Speaker 3: for the NFL instead of network television. Say five six

513
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Speaker 3: years down the road.

514
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Speaker 1: I wonder can the NFL get away with that? Even

515
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: still in today's world? Can you get away with not

516
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: being on podcasts? That's a that is a question. There's

517
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: a story about a guy who retired and I don't

518
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: know about others. But you know, you work towards retirement

519
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: and one of the most awful stories you hear is

520
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: that someone retires at sixty five and passes at sixty seven,

521
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, what was the what that?

522
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: It just kills you. I'm not saying they didn't have

523
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 2: a good life throughout.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that the idea of retirement is now

525
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: you're able to relax and really enjoy. And certainly it

526
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Speaker 1: has led me in my life to say, I'm not

527
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Speaker 1: interested in waiting.

528
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm interested in doing things.

529
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Speaker 1: While I can as I can, maybe with the idea

530
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Speaker 1: that I don't actually see myself in any type of

531
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Speaker 1: retirement mode. Don't get me wrong, I could stop everything tomorrow.

532
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: I could stop everything right now. But there's a story here.

533
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: It's Eat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Kat's that is fingers Maloy.

534
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: You find everything at Eat drinksmokeshow dot com. The story,

535
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: which was over there at Yahoo Finance is about a

536
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: fifty seven year old He's like, I got my number.

537
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Everyone has a different number. I got my number. I'm

538
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: going to retire, hosts to barbecue and and has the

539
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: friends and neighbors. Everyone's basically on the same age we

540
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: are retiring, and he says, guys.

541
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Speaker 2: Retiring and.

542
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: It was going around asking you know, what do you

543
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: have in savings, and people discuss the fact I've got

544
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars. I've got five hundred thousand dollars

545
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: after working for thirty years. And he was asked and

546
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: he said, I started early, and I put a two

547
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: point three million in my four oh one k and

548
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: I get a pension. And his friends got upset with

549
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: him and said, it's not fair. Now I don't have

550
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Speaker 1: a pension. Some people do have a pension. They took

551
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: a job that gives them a pension. I can't get angry.

552
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: With them for it. I'm not angry with them for it.

553
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes people in the public sector where I'm paying for

554
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Speaker 1: the pension, and I hear them complain. Yeah, I don't

555
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: want to hear them complain. I don't want to hear

556
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: that at all. But I don't get angry with people

557
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: for having a pension. But people made choices and they

558
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: decide to spend their money in certain ways. If you

559
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: saved your money in a certain way, well that's that

560
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: good for you. The amount I've tried to instill in

561
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Speaker 1: my kids. If you live differently than your friends now,

562
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: you'll live differently from your friends later. Building that financial model,

563
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: here's how you say. Here where some basic investments are

564
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: and things that you do not touch. You just keep

565
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: throwing the money in, don't pay any attention, just keep

566
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: doing it. Let compounding be your friend. Absolutely, let it

567
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: be your friend. But the idea of being angry with

568
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: somebody for saving more money.

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Speaker 3: Than you, how they were never your friend to begin with.

570
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably right about that.

571
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Speaker 3: I mean, you should be happy that that's where your

572
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: friend is financially and they made responsible decisions, particularly when

573
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: they were younger. And what that does a lot of

574
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Speaker 3: times when you declare something like that is it puts

575
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Speaker 3: a mirror in the face of the people you're talking

576
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Speaker 3: to because they hear that information and they immediately think

577
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Speaker 3: of not only their own retirement portfolio, but all the

578
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: decisions that they made up to that point, making them

579
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: realize possibly that they made some mistakes. Where you've got

580
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: your friend here who has it sounds like they were

581
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: very responsible and made a lot of good decisions, maybe

582
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Speaker 3: particularly when they were younger, like you said, because when

583
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: it comes to saving for retirement, time is your friend. Yes,

584
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: if you could save thirty forty thousand dollars somehow before

585
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: the age of thirty and not touch it, it just

586
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: like grow over time. When you're sixty five, you could

587
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: have several thousand dollars. You do the math up about

588
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: yourself exactly.

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00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I will tell you that there are a lot of

590
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: people listening right now who are gonna hear two point

591
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: three million and say I wish and two point and

592
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: here two point three million, and say, how do you think.

593
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: You're going to retire in two point three million dollars?

594
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: What the what the heck is wrong with you? Two

595
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: point three million?

596
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: It's not enough to maybe do the things you want

597
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: to do for other people, It's fine.

598
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't judge the number, right, everybody's got a different number.

599
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: I won't lie.

600
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: That is not enough for me for what I want

601
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: to do, how I want to do things, how I

602
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: want to be. Absolutely not. That's why I started. And

603
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: I'll pack a farm and the cash.

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00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: It's just it's just rolling in nice for me.

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00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it depends on if you

606
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: have your home paid off. If you have your home

607
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 3: paid off, maybe that number doesn't have to be so large.

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00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't see. I don't think that.

609
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't look at paying off the home as anything

610
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: that matters anymore. I understand that that was the dream,

611
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: that was the moment, the big party and you burn

612
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: your mortgage.

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00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: Nope.

614
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: Now I admit that my mortgage was achieved when the

615
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: rates were crazy low, So I'm fortunate in that regard.

616
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: It is better for me just to pay it off

617
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: and not think about it.

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Speaker 2: It's just an expense.

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Speaker 1: It's better for me to take the dollars, not put

620
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: it towards the mortgage, but put it towards investments that

621
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: are going to have a far greater return then not

622
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: having the mortgage payment.

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Speaker 2: No, I understand what you're saying.

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00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: But for a lot of people, the mortgage payment is

625
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: the single biggest expense that they have in a particular month,

626
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Speaker 3: and to be able to wipe that off of the

627
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: books is really significant. So if you're able to do that, yes, yes,

628
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: So if you're able to do that, and you may

629
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: be able to re examine what that number is for retirement, I.

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00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: Can't understand the people. The amount of people who have

631
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: a car payment of around one thousand dollars. The number

632
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: is freaking mind boggling.

633
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: How can you do that? One thousand dollars, eight hundred

634
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: dollars car payment, that's what new cars cost now, eight

635
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: hundred dollars car payment. That's that is insane.

636
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: It's it is amazing to see how expensive cars have

637
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: gotten over there, especially since COVID. You know, I've got

638
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: a daughter who's going to be turning sixteen here in October,

639
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: and looking at used car prices, it's you're looking at

640
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: ten year old vehicles that I'm not talking high end vehicles.

641
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: You know, it could be a Buick or a Honda

642
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: or something like that. And you look at it and

643
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: they still want fifteen thousand dollars for a ten year

644
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: old vehicle. It's like, my goodness, how are people able

645
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: to afford that, let alone a new car? You know,

646
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 3: sixty seventy thousand dollars with that one twelve hundred dollars

647
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: a month car payment.

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00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: And now people do six and seven year terms, right, Yeah,

649
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing.

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00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Eighty four months, eighty four months. Yeah, it happens.

651
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: And then you know, you sit back and you think

652
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: to yourself, someday, it used to be Someday, maybe I'll

653
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: pay this car off. But now I think people have

654
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Speaker 3: switched their mindset and a lot of people are leasing

655
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: and thing, I'm always gonna have a car payment, So

656
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: I'll lease, have a lower car payment, and then every

657
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: two or three years I'll get another car.

658
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: Which is why if you own a business, it makes

659
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: that a little bit easier. But don't go to us

660
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: for your accounting advice. Don't don't do it.

661
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 2: Where did you get this advice? Oh? From the radio.

662
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: Now now they smoke cigars, they drink bourbon, and they

663
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: give accounting advice, and so that's where that's where I

664
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: got all my investment tips. No, do not do not

665
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: listen to us.

666
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: But these people were angry.

667
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: So it's jealousy, of course it is, but it's foreign

668
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: to me. It has always been foreign to me to

669
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: be jealous of other people's success, whether it's wealth or career.

670
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: You may roll your eyes sometimes like how did that happen?

671
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: But to be jealous about it, you know, you don't

672
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: know what work went into it.

673
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you will definitely say how does that guy have

674
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: that much money? He's a moron that you said.

675
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: I get it, But I just I'm happy for people

676
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: in their success and I think back to listen, what

677
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: I love to have three million dollars when I retire

678
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: is probably not gonna happen. But if I would have

679
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: made smarter decisions in my twenties, maybe I would have

680
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: thousands of dollars when I retire.

681
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: You keep saying thousands and thousands of dollars.

682
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: That's the goal. Oh, that's the dream. Yeah. That in

683
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: the villages. I think the people in the villages that

684
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: their retirement worked.

685
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: Out pretty well. I don't I don't know. I mean,

686
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: certainly there's all sorts of economic ranges there. But because

687
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I was there just a week or so ago visiting

688
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: my mother, and there those those golf carts are not cheap.

689
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: Neither sanka. I hate to break it to you, but

690
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: no one's drinking sank anymore. I I don't know. I

691
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: find about these things. It's straight to folders right in

692
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: the villages. It's all about the play of crystal. That's

693
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: so true.

694
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: It has been the much vaunted, highly prized but when

695
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: it comes out, best of luck if you can find it.

696
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: We were told this wasn't gonna come out until the fall.

697
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: And then there I was perusing the aisles.

698
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: Of Costco all right, my wife was. But the point

699
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: is there. It was in all its splendor. The Kirkland

700
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: bottled in Bond Bourbon. It's eat, drink, smoke. I'm Tony Katz.

701
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: That is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy the Kirkland signature.

702
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: Bottled in Bond Bourbon. Bottled in bond. That means it

703
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: can only be one thing. It comes in at one

704
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: hundred proof. Last, and gentlemen, that is applause from Fingers maloy.

705
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: Right there.

706
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Anything over one hundred proof it gets applause. Bottled in bond,

707
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: by law has to be one hundred proof. That's the

708
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: way it is, right. The same distiller, same distilling season.

709
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: There are rules to these things. You can find at

710
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: all the rules in our book Let's Go Bourbon, available

711
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: at Amazon dot com and get are also our barbecue book,

712
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Let's Go Barbecue, Let's Go Bbq Recipes, Tips and Tails

713
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: from the Pit, also available at Amazon dot com. It

714
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: comes in basically because it is costco a forty two

715
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: liters jrug. It is the largest bottle you have ever

716
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: seen in your entire life.

717
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: It is a monster.

718
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: Now you've heard about the bourbon, and they do other ones.

719
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: Have you ever had any of the Costco Kirkland stuff.

720
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: We've reviewed Costco Kirkland stuff. We did, I believe Kirkland

721
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: Tennessee whiskey, did we?

722
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: I believe? So? I don't have we been doing the

723
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: show so long, I don't remember. Yes, we've never done

724
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: the bottle of the Bond. No, we've never done the

725
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: bottle in the bomb. But don't you remember it came

726
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: in a handle. It was a bottle.

727
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 3: It was a big old bottle of Kirkland Tennessee whiskey.

728
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: And I did jug music in the bottle during the show.

729
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: Unless I'm making stuff up in my head, and I

730
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: don't think I am, because I've got the jug at home.

731
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: This, by the.

732
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: Way, is made at Barton seventeen ninety two. Oh, okay,

733
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: as in seventeen ninety two. The bourbon seventy nine. Seventeen

734
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: ninety two is the year Kentucky became a state. And

735
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: I I do think that that as a bourbon seventeen

736
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: ninety two, the full Proof and some of the other

737
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: they are underrated. I think it's a very very nice bourbon,

738
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: especially at price points. Uh. This is the bottled in Bond.

739
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: It's aged at least four years. We have that much

740
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: known to us, although there is no age statement to it.

741
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: I do not have a mash bill on this thing.

742
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't have Oh you're not stop it just seventy

743
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: year No, uh, twenty nine percent rye twenty nine. Wait,

744
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: seventy four twenty nine. Let's see if you can do this. No,

745
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: I said seventy percent seventy nine twenty nine potash.

746
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: That's better than that by Willie Rodger reference right there.

747
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: So this this is a leader. This is a full

748
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: leader right here. So this would be two seven fifties.

749
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 2: Is that what this is? It's a giant bottle. Don't

750
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: ask us to do many.

751
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 3: We're Americans. Don't expect us know anything about the metric system.

752
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: You know what, You're right, that's our excuse.

753
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: Uh. It's a nice color. It's a little bit lighter

754
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: than maybe I would like it to be.

755
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: It's a little more in the honeyes there as opposed

756
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: to getting into some of those ambers, getting some of

757
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: those more a darker red kind of coloring.

758
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: There.

759
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: We've got it in the glen Cairn glass. That's what

760
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: the foot bows out comes back in. You can really

761
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: concentrate your nose in it. Not so much in the

762
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: viscosity either, not necessarily sticking to the glass. Where are

763
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: you on the nose? Booboo, no idea? Oh I love that.

764
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'll go in.

765
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: I'll go in. I'll check.

766
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm getting a good bet of ethanol. And there's a

767
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: sweetness there. That's apple kitten, apple kitten. That is well.

768
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: I saw apple kitten open up for never.

769
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: Ha ha.

770
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: That is a sweeter nose. It's not it's not too pronounced.

771
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: There is a slight ethanol sting that's happening.

772
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: But that is apple. And that is a little other fruit,

773
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: maybe vanilla, I don't know. There's there's a little bit

774
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: of oak too. What's wrong with your note? Do you

775
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: have a cold?

776
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: Do you have the sinuses? Do you do you have

777
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: the gout? What's going on with you? Talk to us?

778
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: I am I have tired of moving itis.

779
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: He's been moving into a new home and getting everything

780
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: set and situated, and it's been it's been a month,

781
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: and he's still not in a place of happiness.

782
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: Guys, and you know what, I realized, nobody cares.

783
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: Let's get back to this, honestly, Let's get back to

784
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: the I'm.

785
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: So glad you have finally figured this out. Oh I've

786
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: always known for the whole time.

787
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: I just want to drag this whole long and make

788
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: everybody miserable.

789
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: But to me, that's got that.

790
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: I'm telling you apple there's a little bit of oak.

791
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: Do you think the the apple that you're talking about

792
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: is blending with that ethanol?

793
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: And that's what's maybe for you who can't breathe right now?

794
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: Take a deep breath.

795
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Do you want your oxygen pops?

796
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: You know? You know something? Sometimes I heard sometimes you

797
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: hurt the ones you love. Screw it, fingers more. Are

798
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: you ready for that? Yes? He is doing what we

799
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: call the Kentucky gulp. It's a Kentucky chew.

800
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: It's the way you move the juice around the palate

801
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: get a real understanding of the flavors. I'm a believer

802
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: in two SIPs. The first one to set the taste buds,

803
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: the second step to really get an idea of the flavors.

804
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: This is from Barton seventeen ninety two. The Kirkland signature

805
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: bottled and bonds. Fingers, where are you? It nearly made

806
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: me tear up in my right eye?

807
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: Is that right?

808
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? It may be apple on the nose. It's a

809
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: good bit of banana on the palate. It the sting

810
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: hits you on the tongue, and there is a nice

811
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: bit of warmth in the chest. Uh there. Yeah, the

812
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 3: banana vanilla, maybe a little bit of oak and uh

813
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: uh and I'm salty. I don't know right, So I

814
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: I I just maybe completely out to lunch today.

815
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: So you you know what I mean, Chat and I'll

816
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: take a sip.

817
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: This is uh the bottled and bond from Kirkland signature.

818
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: Uh going in here I go.

819
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: He's going in ladies and gentlemen, and he's doing what

820
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: we like to call the Memphis munch, the sag and

821
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: a swish, the Chattanooga chomp.

822
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: That really is sweet, isn't it? Yeah? Way sweeter than

823
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: I thought. Hold, I'm going back. He's going back in.

824
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: That sting isn't hitting you like it it hit me?

825
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, there's a nice bit of sting there and

826
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 3: that that warmth stays with you in the chest.

827
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.

828
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: I think bananas is really good. I don't think it's

829
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: overly pronounced for me like it might be for you.

830
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: But I think banana is actually a very very very

831
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: good way to to put that.

832
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fruit in here.

833
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: There's a sting that goes from from near the tip

834
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: of the tongue through the tongue front to back, not

835
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: necessarily the full side to side. There is absolutely a

836
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: heat that is happening in the upper chest of this.

837
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't confuse this with Jack Daniels with that banana.

838
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're you're a thousand percent right to

839
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: make that differentiation. Actually, you know, I said there wasn't

840
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: viscosity on the glass, but a place sticker in the mouth.

841
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: It actually hits a little bit of a cheek. I

842
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: cannot wait to try this on a cube.

843
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: I really can't.

844
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: I think that's going to really kind of kind of

845
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: like like The Big Lebowski.

846
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: It's going to bring the room together. I think a

847
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: cube is Is that a book? No, it's not a book.

848
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: It's not a it's The Big Lebowski. Oh, oh, it's

849
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: the Big Lebowski. No, you've never seen The Big I

850
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: don't watch movies about things and stuff. We'll talk more

851
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: about this, keep it here.

852
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: It seems that we are forced into these stories every

853
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: couple of weeks about what's going on with bourbon and

854
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: how the industry is down. This is not a drill.

855
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: This is a real issue. Everything goes in cycles, right

856
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: If you talk to Drew Newman of j C. Newman,

857
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: every twenty five years, it seems, I think that's the

858
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: number used. There's a there's a boom time in cigars.

859
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: There just are these cyclical things that happened. Maybe it's

860
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: more than twenty five years, but they're these cycles that

861
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: take place. And it's true with bourbon.

862
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: As well, and certainly because of COVID.

863
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: We saw the boom and you could not find a barrel,

864
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: and everything was scarce and prices were nuts, and everybody

865
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: was trying bourbon. Well, COVID's long over and people aren't

866
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: trying bourbon now, and gen Z is just not into it.

867
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: Deep drink smoke, I'm Tony Katz. That is America's favorite

868
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: amateur drinker. Fingers molloy. The story from the New York

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Speaker 1: Post about how the industry is in a level of crisis.

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Speaker 1: Distilleries are shutting down and they've got some interesting numbers.

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Speaker 1: Kentucky Owl file for bankruptcy. Kentucky Owl makes some stuff kids.

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Speaker 1: Then there's a group called l MD Holdings, which is

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Speaker 1: the Luca Mariano Distillery. They owe twenty five million dollars

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Speaker 1: to creditors. We said this, I'm gonna give you the credit.

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Speaker 1: You called it a couple of weeks back. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: start seeing this happen. We're gonna start seeing these places

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Speaker 1: go under because either they grew too quick, they were

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Speaker 1: not prepared for things that may come. And some people

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Speaker 1: think that the good times are gonna be there for

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Speaker 1: forever and forever and forever.

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Speaker 2: They're not.

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Speaker 1: Gen Z is not a drinking generation. You have what

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Speaker 1: Ozembic has done in lowering the appetite for alcohol overall.

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Speaker 1: If you're a bourbon drinker, it's great. You can find

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Speaker 1: whatever you want. You can find it at prices that

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Speaker 1: are worthwhile now.

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Speaker 2: But for the.

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Speaker 1: Industry, you want moderate, little growth. Moderate You saw a

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Speaker 1: slow build. These wild fluctuations over the past five years

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Speaker 1: is saying good for nobody.

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Speaker 2: You know. This reminds me of a little bit.

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Speaker 3: If you're old enough to remember the eighties and early nineties,

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Speaker 3: the comedy boom were comedy clubs were opening up everywhere

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Speaker 3: around the country, and you had towns that really should

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Speaker 3: have only had one comedy club have two or three

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Speaker 3: because people wanted to go out and see live stand

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Speaker 3: up comedy. And then when the appetite waned for live

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Speaker 3: stand up comedy, and of course when you had that

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Speaker 3: many comedy clubs open up, you needed more comics and

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Speaker 3: the quality of stand up. Maybe with some of these

901
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Speaker 3: other clubs that were opening up, they weren't drawing the

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Speaker 3: kind of talent that people were expecting to see. You

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Speaker 3: started seeing these local comedy clubs starting to shut down.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got this situation with these distilleries, and it's

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Speaker 3: not just in Kentucky. You're seeing, you know, distilleries around

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Speaker 3: the country that were popular that are shutting down after

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Speaker 3: this huge bourbon explosion. It makes you under it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it was the product overexposed. What really worries me about

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Speaker 3: this is the fact that you're seeing younger people and selfishly,

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously you're you know, I'm not gonna sit

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Speaker 3: here and tell you that, hey, drinking bourbon is excellent

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Speaker 3: for your health.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not look at us, that's true.

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Speaker 3: But to see younger generations looking at this and saying themselves, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's not for me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they get them back.

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Speaker 1: I have said before, I think this might be a

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Speaker 1: timing thing, and they might come to it. Instead of

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Speaker 1: mid twenties, it might be mid thirties. And also remember

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about beer here, We're talking about bourbon.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about rye. These things do become a quiet taste,

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Speaker 1: and they do come over time. It could be that

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Speaker 1: it is indeed generational. There's not an interest. But what

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Speaker 1: if I understand anything about the industry. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I have any expertise whatsoever. It's that you know,

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Speaker 1: in any situation, we could start with a baseline bit

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Speaker 1: of cliche. The strong will survive. There are brown Foreman right.

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Speaker 1: It has dropped a lot of employees, but Jack's.

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Speaker 2: Not going anywhere. So things will.

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Speaker 1: Survive in that way, and other things will come about

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Speaker 1: and will be tried. You know, when I think of

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Speaker 1: local distilleries here, I know some people who they've they've

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Speaker 1: been planning for this. They're dealing with it, some better

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Speaker 1: than others. They're trying to find new ways. Is it

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Speaker 1: a diversification of product? Is there more things that they

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Speaker 1: gotta be trying in things that are unique. Everything again

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Speaker 1: goes back to marketing, which is I think interesting for

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Speaker 1: people like us and people who play in the spaces

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Speaker 1: of podcasts and other things, because that's where you have

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Speaker 1: to do the marketing and you have to get more

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Speaker 1: creative in that, and so it could create opportunities for.

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Speaker 2: Us, and I won't lie it has.

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Speaker 1: But the real question is do you think Bourbon falls

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Speaker 1: off off the radar altogether, that it's Bourbon that no

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Speaker 1: longer is even considered or is this just the entire

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Speaker 1: alcohol segment falls a bit? And then there's a I

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Speaker 1: hate the terminology new normal. I despise it, but we'll

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Speaker 1: use it for now. Is there a new base on

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Speaker 1: new baseline? Is there a new baseline that then comes

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Speaker 1: into effect. Do you think we're gonna see a fall

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Speaker 1: after a fall, after a fall after a fall.

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Speaker 3: You bring up an interesting question, and it may be

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Speaker 3: like it's never gonna totally go away, obviously, but maybe

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Speaker 3: we're starting to see a significant fall as younger people

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Speaker 3: are deciding that alcohol may not be for them. I

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Speaker 3: had a story that we aren't going to really get

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Speaker 3: into too much, but this is in Germany. The German

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Speaker 3: beer market has sunk to a historic low as alcohol

959
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Speaker 3: free versions are becoming increasingly popular with younger generations. So

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Speaker 3: it's not just the United States. This seems to be

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Speaker 3: a you know, I don't want to say global because

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Speaker 3: we're just talking about the United States in Germany. But

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Speaker 3: this may be a trend with younger people.

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Speaker 1: And if it is, it is, and trends do a change.

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Speaker 1: But absolutely are there going to be job losses. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so they're gonna be shutdowns. It's already here. It's one

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Speaker 1: thousand percent here, and it's a question of how they

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Speaker 1: are going to weather that storm. If you're a bourbon person,

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Speaker 1: does that mean you're no longer going to see it

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Speaker 1: on the shelves?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, No, You're still gonna see plenty of bourbon on

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Speaker 1: the shelves. Actually, there's gonna be plenty of bourbon because

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Speaker 1: it's not being purchased as much.

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Speaker 2: It's just that some of these people who made a

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Speaker 2: go at this, there's just there's no place to go,

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Speaker 2: at least with the micro breweries.

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Speaker 3: They can turn to non alcoholic beer, you know, some

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Speaker 3: of these distilleries. What do you do if people are

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Speaker 3: and you know, I keep bringing this up because we

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Speaker 3: talked about it, what was it two years ago? I

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Speaker 3: think well, we first had this conversation about younger people

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Speaker 3: not drinking as much, and they're going to New York

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Speaker 3: City and they're mocktails. How do these distilleries try to

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Speaker 3: tap into that market?

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Speaker 2: When?

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Speaker 1: What can you possibly do? So the I mean that's

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Speaker 1: that Let's go ask some distillers. Let's let's go do that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, distillery and brewery being two different things.

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Speaker 1: The brewers can engage some non alcoholic beers. But again

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Speaker 1: it's a marketing conversation, and some people are way ahead already,

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Speaker 1: like Athletic for example, way ahead in that space. So

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Speaker 1: now you're fighting for larger pieces of much smaller spaces.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's economically viable. It might just

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Speaker 1: be we have to better serve the market that we

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Speaker 1: have less product offerings, better at marketing our product offerings

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Speaker 1: and how we share our story about them. I think

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's the winner.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You can't be all things to all people. Can you

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Speaker 1: be the thing for enough people?

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Speaker 2: I was really hoping we could be all things for

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Speaker 2: all people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out I checked with my people. I

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Speaker 1: checked with the the boys in the lab, the Fingers Maloy.

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Speaker 1: It is their bottled in bond I. It is their

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Speaker 1: straight bourbon whiskey. We believe it's age at least four years.

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Speaker 1: We do not have a mashvill on this thing distilled

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Speaker 1: by Barton seventeen ninety two. I think seventy nine seventeen

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Speaker 1: ninety two is a solid, solid product. I have got

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Speaker 1: a cube on mine, fingers. I just kept any the

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Speaker 1: Glenn Careen glass right so ice water. It brings down

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Speaker 1: the proof. The only thing to bring down proof and

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Speaker 1: open it up. Some flavors more muted, some flavors more pronounced.

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Speaker 1: I'm going in fingers, Molly. We had banana, we had

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Speaker 1: some oak, a little bit of fruitiness. Let's see what

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Speaker 1: we have now. He's going in, ladies and gentlemen. He's

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Speaker 1: doing the Kentucky chew.

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Speaker 2: That's a win. Holy cow. First of all, there's some heat.

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Speaker 1: There's some heat right down the throat, right down the

1041
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Speaker 1: old gullet. I believe that's that's how. That's how Grandma

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Speaker 1: Cats used to say. Does it say a little bit,

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Speaker 1: a little bit it gives a yellows what it gives

1044
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Speaker 1: right there? If you ever call Fingers when he answers,

1045
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Speaker 1: the phone yellows every time. Oh that is that is

1046
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Speaker 1: much sweeter. Yet there is oak happening about the banana

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Speaker 1: in the finish, So banana cream. It got creamier with

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Speaker 1: the with with with the cube. That's really nice.

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Speaker 3: That's stupid nice if you like a little bit of

1050
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Speaker 3: punch to your whiskey.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about a little bit of heat there.

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Speaker 1: I understand what you mean. There's a little bit of heat.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely that banana cream going on there. There is

1054
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Speaker 1: a little bit of oak. That's that's happening. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you just added a little bit of water too. I

1056
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Speaker 1: sure did. I used one of the eye droplets that

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Speaker 1: I got.

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He keeps forgetting people have brought him eye droppers adjust

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Speaker 1: the right amount of water and nope, nope, he keeps forgetting.

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Speaker 2: They're packed somewhere in all the boxes in it they are.

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Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to make sure that I took great

1063
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Speaker 3: care in making sure I did not lose any of

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Speaker 3: those eye droplets.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea where they are. They're in a box.

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Speaker 2: That's right, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, he's going in, he's taking his sip right there.

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Speaker 1: Added a little bit of water. Yeah, what's interesting. What's interesting,

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Speaker 1: first of all for me that sting is still there.

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Speaker 3: It really is a big way, but it took a

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Speaker 3: lot of the heat away in the chest. Although it

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Speaker 3: is starting to creep up a little bit. That banana's there,

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Speaker 3: I would argue maybe a hint of vanilla as well

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Speaker 3: on top of the oak, but maybe that's no.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong about that. I called it

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Speaker 1: a cream. Yeah, if you called it vanilla, I'd be

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Speaker 1: down with that. But listen, this is not a.

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Speaker 3: Whiskey for someone that is new to it, and hey,

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Speaker 3: I want to try something for the first time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that that sting will hit you if that's something you're

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Speaker 3: looking for that this is an absolute home run in

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Speaker 3: my mind.

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Speaker 2: Is it? By the way, this is a one Leader bottle?

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00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: Is finger boloon? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is this in your liquor cabinet? I've seen it in

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00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: two prices. I'm gonna round it into I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: take the middle. Is that in your liquor cabinet for

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00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: thirty dollars.

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Speaker 2: For a Leader? Yeah, that's ridiculous. I have an extra

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00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: bottle for you. That's that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Well, and thank you, And well, apparently it will be

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Speaker 3: in my liquor cabinet for free, but I would pay

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Speaker 3: thirty dollars for that in the heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: That's stupid.

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00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is stupid. That is it's if it's there

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00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: at your local costco. You absolutely have a couple of bottles.

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00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: You put them away. When you have the party, you

1098
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: pull it out and people are like are you kidding,

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00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, try it, game over.

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00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: This is the bottle, the bond, so one hundred proof. Yeah,

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00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: absolutely all.

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00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: Day worth the money for not even a question. Now

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00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: we're smoking from our charl Pointe Vianejo. So this is

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00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: the Shark. It's a Maduro wrapper. The Shark seventy seven, USA, Connecticut,

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00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: broadly prapper Dominican, and the binder in the filler, so

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00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: this is a box press that becomes a torpedo. So

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00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: it's five and seven eighths by five and seven eighths

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00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: by sixty four.

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00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: I believe you are correct.

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00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: But the sixty four ring gauge is taking place, you know,

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00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: at the at the foot of the cigar, and it's

1112
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: tapering in, so the mouthfeel is still right on right

1113
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: on there. I think that this cigar that that that

1114
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: chocolate sweetness. I get a little more dark chocolate, a

1115
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: little bit of coffee, a little bit of that nutty

1116
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: cream that I was talking about. I think that spice says.

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01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: You know, we often wonder does the spice of side

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01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: or do.

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Speaker 2: We just get used to it? We don't.

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Speaker 1: I've never come to a good answer of which one

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: that is. But it's the right amount. It is blending

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: beautifully with everything else. This cigar is twenty five bucks.

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Speaker 2: Is this in your humid or yes? I said yes,

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01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: this cigar is stupid good.

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01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: And I actually cut a little bit more off the

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01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: cap because the draw I've started to think to myself,

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01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: maybe it is a little too tight, and it opened

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01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: things up, and it is.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a very nice smoke.

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: And you know, twenty six dollars, that's when you start

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01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: doing some well, I start doing some real thinking at

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01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: twenty dollars. You know, you get twenty six, twenty eight thirty,

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01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: then you're doing some really, really really.

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01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: Deep thinking in my mind. And uh, I would have

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: one or two of these in my human door.

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01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: If you are the first person to email fingers fingers

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: at Eat drinksmokeshow dot com and use the phrase fingers

1138
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: unpack already, all you gotta do in the subject line

1139
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: fingers unpack already. We will contact you. We will get

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01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: your address and I will mail you one of these. Wow,

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01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: I will I bought the box. I will mail you

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01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: one of these. Got these from Garvinos down in the

1143
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: village garden with a G, G A R. Garvinos dot com.

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01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: I'll send you one. Fingers unpack already.

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: You can't you just I just received an email. No,

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: you can't be you.

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: You cannot be associated with each RIGG smoke or it's affiliates.

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: I quit. Oh I want a cigar. You're smoking one now?

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01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's true?

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01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: Good lord, Uh yeah, it's good. Happy to send it

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01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: to you. You just fingers unpack already in the subject

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01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: line fingers at EA Drinks smokeshow dot com.

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: And I will send you a cigar.

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01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: And if I don't like the tone of your email,

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: maybe you'll accidentally, even though you're the first person, be

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01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 3: the second person.

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01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: Keep that. Keep that in mind. What you what's with

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01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: the threats to eat drink smoke nation? You know what,

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01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. You are salty. You said it. I

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Speaker 2: give a warning. I just don't need anybody getting too lippy,

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Speaker 2: that's all. I think.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating that we think a thirty dollars bottle of

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01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: bourbon is absolutely worth it for a full leader, But

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: we're okay with a twenty five dollars cigar Like that's a.

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: Weird, weird thing to do.

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01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: And how I'll speak for me, how I see value,

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01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: Like that's a mind scramble.

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Speaker 2: But I'll pay twenty five dollars for this cigar all

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Speaker 2: day long, no question.

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Speaker 3: To think that they're almost the same price. It's just

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Speaker 3: simply amazing at the idea that that. And again, I'm

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01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: almost positive we did Kirkland, Tennessee whiskey and.

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Speaker 2: It's been five and a half year. Ya wait, are

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: we on six years? That's yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are we think we started the summer not over three

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Speaker 3: d episodes? I think we started the summer of twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 2: Do we not? Just as a podcast?

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01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 3: And then we morphed into the nationally syndicated a joggernaut

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Speaker 3: that we are now.

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Speaker 1: All I'm saying is is that there are things I've forgotten,

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Speaker 1: and I think we are at a place fingers where

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: we can start all over again. Sure we can start.

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01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: I work so hard at trying to not repeat. I

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Speaker 1: got a suggestion for next week, meatballs. Yeah, we did

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Speaker 1: that this week. Oh, by the way, our meatball recipe,

1186
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,959
Speaker 1: my meatball recipe, the kosher meatball recipe is up.

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: It will be up.

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: I see it there at eaturing Smoke Show dot com.

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01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: Maybe, just maybe gen Z has hope.

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Speaker 1: And I will say I've said it before, maybe not

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: on this show, but I've said it on my shows

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: other places. I have faith in gen Z. I like

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01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: what I see from gen Z. Not everything is perfect,

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: not every group is perfect, not everyone is perfect. I've

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01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: met people in gen X total morons, but gen Z

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01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: gives me faith far more than millennials ever did. It's

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Speaker 1: Eat Rink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That is fingers Maloy.

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Speaker 1: Find it all at EA Drinksmokeshow dot com and follow

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01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: us on the Twitter x at go Eat Drink Smoke,

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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram, Eat Drink Smoke podcast, and download

1201
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: the podcast wherever it is you get your podcast on

1202
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platform.

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01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: Make that happen.

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 3: I want to, at some point before the show is over,

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01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: go on a little bit of a rant about gen X.

1206
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: But let's stick with. Let's stick with. I don't think

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 2: we should have to wait.

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01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: I think that everybody is now saying ooh, rant time

1209
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: with fingers, maloy hot diggity hold on, I'll do it

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01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: your way.

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: It's time to rant. Yeah, was that it? Yes?

1212
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 3: And who wrote that theme song that was written by

1213
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: the late Burt background a nice.

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01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 2: Oh well you gonna say, Cody O'Brien, Philip Glass. Dang it,

1215
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: dang it. So many options, so many choices. Go ahead,

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01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: what's your generation?

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: Here's the deal of gen x that it's really starting

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01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: to get a little bit and buy me in a

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: little bit, I mean a lot cringe worthy.

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: And it's this.

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Speaker 3: It's social media posts about how and by the way,

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01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: I'm a gen xer. Yes, so I'm speaking on.

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01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: Twitter exit fingers. That's right.

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01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 3: The patting themselves on the back about how we were

1225
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: latch key kids and we got a very whatever attitude.

1226
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: The the padding yourself on the back over and over

1227
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: again about how independent we were growing up and how

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01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 3: we've got this oh sitting back and always feeling like

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01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 3: we're slighted and enough already, just enough, already, Just stop talking,

1230
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 3: Just be a good gen xer and take all of

1231
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: that pent up anger that you have about being a

1232
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 3: latch key kid and just cram it deep deep down

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01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 3: inside of you. Enough with the social media posts already,

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01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I find it. We are doing what we do. We

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01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: do this show.

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: You do, of course, a radio show in Michigan. I

1238
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: do a morning show in Indianapolis. I have a nationally

1239
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: syndicated radio show. I do some TV work, some other things,

1240
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: and to complain about influencers and be disgusted by what

1241
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: you see when we do this, I sometimes say to myself.

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01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: I am an outright hypocrite, aren't I? Cause here I am. No. No,

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: it's different.

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 3: We talk about things that are being discussed in the

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01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 3: cigar lounge. And I can't tell you how many times

1246
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: I've sat in a cigar lounge and people have gone

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01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 3: on rants about influencers and social media outrage and all

1248
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 3: that stuff.

1249
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: But we all agree that the influencers are terrible. They're terrible, right,

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01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: A lot.

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01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: Of them are.

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01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 3: But what bothers me the most the fact that they

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01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 3: call themselves influencers, right, I mean you and I we

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01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 3: do E rank Smoke. It's on nine thousand radios yea

1255
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: across the country, all over the country we are listened to.

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01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: You look at our podcast numbers, the amount of countries

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01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 3: we are listening to around the globe.

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Speaker 1: It's staggering. It is getting good. We thank you very much,

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01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: by the way, download the podcast, subscribe. We'd appreciate it,

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01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Having said that, we've never called ourselves

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01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: bourbon influencers cigar influencers. We try to entertain people. We

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01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: try to do you know, I question whether or not

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01:07:55,120 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: that model works. Our entire process is predicated on the

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01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: idea that we're not experts.

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01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 2: We like this stuff.

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01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: But you look at people who call themselves experts, and

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01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: there are plenty people who are doing stuff with cigars

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01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: that I like, and they're plain people I don't even

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: know doing stuff with cigars.

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: I like.

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01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,839
Speaker 1: There are people doing stuff with food that is so good,

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01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: and I think we should start highlighting some of those people.

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01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: I think that's worth worth doing. But we never put

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: ourselves in that place. We talk about things, we don't

1275
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: talk about you. We are the destination. We're the only

1276
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: people who can tell you what's right and what's wrong.

1277
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: Is that it is that the influencer wants to say,

1278
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: look at me, as opposed to us when we're discussing

1279
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: look at the subject at hand.

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Speaker 3: It's hot chicks, what's not not in the food space,

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01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 3: good foot.

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 2: There are some people doing the food influencer stuff.

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01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: Hey, today, we're in my family's restaurant kitchen and we're

1284
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna make X and she's wearing the crop top and

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01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: the belly button ring and that, like, no one.

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: Wearing the hair like that? Where's your hair net? What's

1287
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 2: happening here?

1288
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: And they need the dough and I've never seen someone

1289
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: need dough with their elbows pushed against their chest in ways?

1290
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 2: Oh, is that what you're saying that? That's what that's

1291
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: going on.

1292
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: And for those of you watching us right now on YouTube,

1293
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 3: you can see me demonstrating it. And by the way,

1294
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 3: find eatring smoke over a YouTube and rumble. Uh, they

1295
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 3: they do that whole pushing thing.

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Speaker 2: I feel uncomfortable right now.

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Speaker 3: I think I need an adult you do, Tony are

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Speaker 3: up here?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't even want to see those But

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Speaker 1: it's it's like that stuff. It's like, can you can

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Speaker 1: you stop? This is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Okay now now now, now, I feel like we are

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Speaker 3: becoming uh the gen xer slash old man screaming at

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Speaker 3: cloud about these young influencers.

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Speaker 1: But it's like there's there's a there's a difference, I think.

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Speaker 1: But but your conversation was that people who want to

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Speaker 1: pat themselves on the back, And our argument is is

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Speaker 1: the people who are out there claiming level of.

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Speaker 2: Expertise, what is expertise like?

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Speaker 1: What proves that if you're the master distiller at name

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Speaker 1: the distillery, Okay, there's an expertise. There are people in

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Speaker 1: the world of cigars who are really, really, really talented,

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Speaker 1: people with incredible palettes. They can do this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of it boils down to authenticity.

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Speaker 3: And I truly believe when it comes to what we

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Speaker 3: do here at the show. And I think you really

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Speaker 3: set the stage early when you said, listen, when we're

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Speaker 3: going to do this show. You said you never want

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Speaker 3: to come across as saying that you are an expert.

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Speaker 3: You smoke a ton of cigars, you have a real

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Speaker 3: passion for cigars. I like cigars. It's your one of

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Speaker 3: your passions. Sure, and you know, we talk about these things,

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Speaker 3: whether it's it's cigars or bourbon or whatever, coming from

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Speaker 3: a fan perspective. And I to me, not only do

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Speaker 3: I feel good about that, I don't like to claim

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Speaker 3: to be something that I'm not an expert on cigars.

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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on bourbon. I really like both.

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Speaker 3: It's our way of exposing the things that we like

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Speaker 3: to an audience and hopefully in a way that's entertaining.

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Speaker 3: And it's what brings people back to what I was

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Speaker 3: referring to area the global audience that we have, is

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Speaker 3: that the.

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Speaker 1: Difference we're interested in the product and the influencer is

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Speaker 1: interested in themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's some of that.

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Speaker 1: That's so all right, So as a matter of definition,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the fundamental difference.

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Speaker 2: I My point is being interested in yourself.

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Speaker 1: For a bunch of these people's making them some money

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how much, but there's money being made.

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Speaker 2: People do click on the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So is our approach wrong because I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna change it. I'm not. I'm not going elbows in,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not squeezing anything. I think it's basically

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Speaker 1: what I've come to is that nothing will be squos.

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Speaker 1: What that's Oh well, also we know how to use

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Speaker 1: the word squos.

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Speaker 2: That might be a difference.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, And it's only what's really going to

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Speaker 3: be interesting is the influence of AI on all of this. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, you go back to the you know, the

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Speaker 3: kind of offhand remark I made about hot chicks, right,

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01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: you know, the hot chick influencers. You're not going to

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Speaker 3: know if it's even a real person anymore, or if

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Speaker 3: it's AI, and how that's going to have an impact

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Speaker 3: on influencers and content creators. It's going to be really

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Speaker 3: something to watch.

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Speaker 1: We are smoking from our turo fuente the Shark. This

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Speaker 1: is the Aye Hoos seventy seven Maduro five and seven

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Speaker 1: eighths by sixty four, twenty five dollars a stick, all day,

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Speaker 1: all day with this cigar.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Fingers unpack already, Uh, send that email if you oh,

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Speaker 1: if you miss that, you might need to get the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if you have a chance to get a

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Speaker 1: free cigar and from Kirkland Signature.

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Speaker 2: They're bottled in bond a bourbon coming in it. I

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Speaker 2: think thirty dollars a bottle.

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Speaker 1: I've seen someplaces twenty five, some place thirty five, so

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Speaker 1: let's call it thirty dollars a bottle.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's a one liter bottle, one hundred proof. That's terrific.

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