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Speaker 1: Joining me now on the Java House Peel and Port

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Speaker 1: guest line right off the top from the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: Network NFL Network, Rhet lewis talking about this one. Rhett,

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Speaker 1: I said this the other day to Don Fisher, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say the same to you every once

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Speaker 1: in a while, would you agree, we just have to stop,

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Speaker 1: take a deep breath and say, undefeated Indiana is playing

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Speaker 1: for the possibility of cementing themselves as the number one

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Speaker 1: overall seed in the College Football Playoff and winning the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship against Ohio State. It's still reht, Does

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Speaker 1: it not seem real? Even though this is now year

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Speaker 1: number two of what Kurtz Signette's done.

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Speaker 2: It's wild.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely wild, man. I was just I've been talking

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Speaker 3: about this with my friends, you know, with my former teammates.

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Speaker 3: I've got a you know, a newborn daughter now that

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Speaker 3: all she knows is undefeated Indiana, which is amazing.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations by the way, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, buddy. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: It's it's just been it's been unreal to think about

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Speaker 3: how real it is that makes any sense at all,

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Speaker 3: you know, from you know, I was telling Stephen daily,

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Speaker 3: I do a thing every week for IU called under

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Speaker 3: the Hood and Stephen Daily, who, by the way, is

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Speaker 3: the most disruptive defense ave alignment in the conference, not

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Speaker 3: the country, leave the country and tackles for loss. He

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Speaker 3: was my guest this week and I was like, I

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Speaker 3: just want you to know, Bud, like I won sixteen

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Speaker 3: games in five years. If you guys do what you're

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Speaker 3: which is win a national championship, you will have won

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Speaker 3: sixteen games this year.

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Speaker 2: I think. Let that's think inver.

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Speaker 4: Know to me the most honestly it may be.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying this because I went to Indiana,

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Speaker 1: as I know you did as well, obviously, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that we're on in Indianapolis. This might be the

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Speaker 1: most remarkable story in college football history. And I know

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Speaker 1: that that sounds like homersh and hyperboty, but we're talking

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Speaker 1: now within the form of two years, turned itself into

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Speaker 4: It truly is remarkable, No.

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Speaker 3: Jake, I mean like it's it's it's I don't think

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Speaker 2: I think it's true.

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Speaker 3: And like the more that I've you know, been around

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Speaker 3: like other people are saying the same things, not just

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Speaker 3: think it goes to show, like I think it's a

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Speaker 3: great a great lesson, you know, for coaches like Kurtzignetti,

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Speaker 3: who better on himself and who had a plan and

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Speaker 3: he's got a blueprint for success. Here are the other things.

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Speaker 3: He's a great evaluator, he's a great developer, and those

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Speaker 3: two things are lost in this world of hey, come here,

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Speaker 1: Do you believe rhet that a bigger Let me ask

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Speaker 1: Or is Kurt Signetti letting his team know what the

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Speaker 3: And I don't mean that as a compout, but I

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Speaker 3: He doesn't do it with the flash and the pizazz

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Speaker 3: I just think that so many coaches talk about, hey man,

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Speaker 3: That's not a problem for Kurt Signety's Indiana. He has

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Speaker 2: It's short and it's sweet.

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Speaker 3: Like they do not have our long team meetings where

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Speaker 3: But like he gets in, he gets out, he says

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Speaker 2: It's that simple.

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Speaker 4: What is the biggest challenge they face?

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Speaker 1: Ohio State offers challenges all over the place, right, So

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Speaker 3: Their run game has gotten better. I mean, we're talking

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Speaker 3: Yet he didn't have a carry against Texas in Week one. So,

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Speaker 3: like Indiana, they get better throughout the year. That's also

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Speaker 3: For Ohio State and their run game and their offensive

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Speaker 3: The two things that Indiana's defense has been really good

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Speaker 3: You're not going to shut out Jeremiah Smith and Carneal Tate,

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Speaker 1: Rtt lewis my guests from the Big Ten Network, Joba House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest Line. By the way, Bo Jackson

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Speaker 1: the running back for Ohio State for those that are curious,

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Speaker 1: not related to the famous Bo Jackson. His real name

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Speaker 1: is Lamar Jackson. Also not related to Lamar Jackson. To

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Speaker 1: Winston seriously, But I'm curious about this from Indiana's standpoint.

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Speaker 1: You know, fren Edda Mendoza. We have seen what he

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Speaker 1: responding to drives that didn't go well. But Ohio State defensively,

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Speaker 1: they can get to the quarterback. But how are they

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Speaker 1: Are there areas that Indiana can exploit?

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Speaker 3: And I'm Caleb Downs. Obviously, it's the defensive player of

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Speaker 1: you go two questions about psychology. Okay, I mean you

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Speaker 2: Of the top four, that would be crazy. But I think.

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Speaker 2: They've done it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time as always. I know it's a

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me to take any time.

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Speaker 1: Idea where we are in terms of the Pacers and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look they're they're four and eighteens.

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Speaker 6: Do the plan.

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Speaker 5: The nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 5: Two and nineteen and they made the playoffs. So that's

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Speaker 6: That's two and what I can't do master.

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Speaker 1: The reality is they Tony And I don't mean to

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Speaker 4: Do they are you?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that they are still looking at Okay,

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Speaker 1: we have a chance to find out who and what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know next year you don't want to be

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Speaker 2: You know, they they won a.

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Speaker 5: Couple of games last week and they beat that They

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Speaker 5: and they found this lineup with McConnell and huff around,

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Speaker 5: I get why people want them to lose.

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Speaker 5: It's like that should be the point of this season

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Speaker 5: is finding lineups like that, right, that do work, and

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Speaker 5: next year when you're trying to win, you know, Okay,

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Speaker 5: even when Halberd's on the game, we can turn to

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Speaker 5: that combo of five or oh, look like last night

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Speaker 5: what happened in that game? And what did we learn

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Speaker 2: Happen more often?

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Speaker 5: Hey, maybe Garrison Matthews is the dude on his second

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Speaker 5: If you learn how to use Shephard alongside Tiakam, that's

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Speaker 1: Tony, I came up with a phrase the other day.

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud of this, okay, and you can use it.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. This is not like why not Indiana, which

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Speaker 4: Do you know what that is?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, twenty points per game on twenty five win teams.

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Speaker 1: The newest that I've come up with, and it's applicable

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Speaker 1: evaluating who through this process and through ten day contracts

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the goal, That's what you're trying to figure out, right,

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Speaker 5: but Jeremia Robinsonurel's twenty five and started games for them

438
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Speaker 5: this year. They clearly think something of him. And Garrison

439
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 5: Matthews these last two games has been like, oh, I

440
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 5: this guy can make everything sometimes, but he's twenty nine.

441
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Speaker 2: Like is he what you're describing?

442
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 5: Is he just a guy who's on this team and

443
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 5: his scoring points and they don't win.

444
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Speaker 2: At all and it doesn't matter.

445
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,400
Speaker 5: Or is he actually somebody that when they're good, they'd

446
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 5: run around, right? And so it sounds like such micro decisions,

447
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 5: but to them it matters, and we can call them

448
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 5: a thirteenth man or whatever. But like, you know, Ben

449
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 5: Shepherd's not playing well this year, although he's had a

450
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 5: good last five or so games. He was in their

451
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 5: playoff rotation last year. That's what makes this such a

452
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 5: hard evaluation for all these guys, is like it's the

453
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 5: worst possible way to evaluate them with how many guys

454
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 5: are out and how different their roles are from typical

455
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Speaker 5: tyas or we know we've seen it twice two playoffs

456
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Speaker 5: that Ben Shepherd has made thirty eight percent of his

457
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 5: threes and defended guards and been a fifteen to twelve

458
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 5: minute a game guy on a good winning playoff team.

459
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Speaker 5: But on this team, when he's asked to do a

460
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 5: lot more, he probably looks a little bit more like

461
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Speaker 5: an empty salaries guy who's turning it over much more

462
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Speaker 5: than he has in the past. And his three ball

463
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 5: hasn't fallen really at all this year. So it's like

464
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Speaker 5: for him, it's probably super frustrating, And if you're a fan,

465
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 5: you're thinking, why is this guy playing well? It's like,

466
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Speaker 5: because he's way better when the team is better, right,

467
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 5: He just the things he provides naturally fit better on

468
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Speaker 5: a good team, which is why it's hard to know

469
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Speaker 5: what is the line of demarcation for empty calories and

470
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Speaker 5: why they're so you know, like focused on development and

471
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Speaker 5: making guys get better at lots of skills this.

472
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Speaker 6: Season if they can, because they need.

473
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Speaker 5: To figure that out in any way that they actually can,

474
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Speaker 5: which is again why I think that they should keep

475
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Speaker 5: trying to play their better players for at least some

476
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Speaker 5: more amount of time, like real minutes, and try to

477
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Speaker 5: push for something serious. But you know, the swath of

478
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Speaker 5: guys who you know, everybody knows who is like real

479
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 5: on this team, Like if you were in the play

480
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 5: affrotation last year, yeah got it, but you know this Walker, Furfey, Robinson,

481
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 5: Earl Matthews quartet, plus their centers. I mean, Jay Huff's

482
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Speaker 5: been good of late, although he struggled last night. Idad

483
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 5: Jackson had a Nightmares matchup. All those guys have shown

484
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Speaker 5: something for the Pacers before and most except for Huff,

485
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Speaker 5: you know, and in most cases.

486
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Speaker 6: For some of those guys in the postseason, you know

487
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Speaker 6: what they are kind of all jockeying. I think to

488
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Speaker 6: be the guys eight through twelve.

489
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Speaker 5: On the next Pacers team, and so they are kind.

490
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Speaker 6: Of the guys to keep an eye on when it

491
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Speaker 6: comes to.

492
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Speaker 5: That, are they scoring a lot right now and showing

493
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 5: you something more because the Pacers are bad, or are

494
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 5: they doing something more because they're actually showing improvement that

495
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Speaker 5: could land them a key role on the next team

496
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Speaker 5: that we've seen in you know, in Jackson's case and

497
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Speaker 5: Shepherd's case a little bit in Walker's case. In the past,

498
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Speaker 5: Matthews has played on some playoff teams right that they

499
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Speaker 5: can do or is this just a reality of the situation.

500
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Speaker 5: It's really hard to find what that answer is on

501
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 5: this team because everybody's role is so different than what

502
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Speaker 5: it was or is when this team is supposed to

503
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Speaker 5: be good.

504
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Speaker 1: Tony the guy that to me has been enigmatic because

505
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: I feel like you are still trying to and I

506
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Speaker 1: mean you, Tony. I'm saying we in Populace, we're trying

507
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: to figure out if Jaris Walker can either be benefit

508
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: to Indiana in terms of bringing something on the floor

509
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: or be benefit to Indiana because he's intriguing enough that

510
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: somebody will trade for him. And I feel like he

511
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: has yet to break through and cement either where do

512
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: you see him in terms of what his value is

513
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: or will be?

514
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's I don't remember what movie or the saying

515
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 5: is from, but what's the just one? You think you're out,

516
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: they pull me back in? Right, whatever that's from? Like,

517
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 5: he was awesome a couple weeks ago. He had that

518
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 5: amazing game against Detroit, followed up with a good shooting game,

519
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 5: has had some really nice rebounding games of late.

520
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Speaker 6: You know, last night it felt quiet.

521
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Speaker 5: I walked away like I didn't really feel like I

522
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 5: felt Jis Walker's impact as much. Need eleven points and

523
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 5: three boards in twenty one minutes and made four of

524
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 5: us seven shots. Like that's a good night, Right, That's

525
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: a quality performance from a young player. It's not like,

526
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 5: you know, oh my gosh, this guy's gonna be awesome.

527
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 5: But he also had some real stinkers, right, no doubt

528
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 5: over ten two for nine to one for eight. That

529
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 5: was three games in a row for him to end

530
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 5: that road trip where the Pacers were just awful. Right,

531
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Speaker 5: So it's really been and this is true a lot

532
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 5: of young players. He's just been really inconsistent, and that

533
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 5: is the hopeful next step for the Pacers. And determining,

534
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: excuse me, what his role could be for them if

535
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 5: if he is playing for them when they're you know,

536
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 5: trying to win next year, is like how can they

537
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 5: get to be more consistent? Because this happened last year too.

538
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Speaker 5: I just store on him in late December of last

539
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 5: season and he even talked about, like, yeah, this season

540
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Speaker 5: has been up and down for me, And I've referenced

541
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Speaker 5: that a million times because he said it and like

542
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 5: he knew he was being inconsistent. I think he felt

543
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 5: that way about this season too. And then from I

544
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 5: don't know, mid January onwards, his role was a little

545
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 5: different and smaller, but he was playing every night and

546
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: playing largely pretty well. And then he was playing in

547
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Speaker 5: the playoffs until he got hurt in Game six against

548
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 5: the Knicks. So they do have like a three and

549
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 5: a half month staple of him playing consistent basketball for

550
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Speaker 5: them last year. But this year, when he's been has

551
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: to do more, it's been like it's not even been

552
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 5: a good game and a bad game. It's been an

553
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 5: awesome game and just like an atrocious, awful, holy cow,

554
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: what's going on kind of game.

555
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Speaker 2: And that's scary.

556
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 5: That's really hard to evaluate.

557
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: You have no idea what the.

558
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 5: Four or feeling of that kind of player is. It's

559
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 5: hard to make decisions based on what they could be

560
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 5: in a more stable role when they can't get a

561
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 5: stable role for good reason would do to injury on

562
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Speaker 5: your current team.

563
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Speaker 2: So I think they're still.

564
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: Figuring out with him, But I certainly thought he might

565
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 5: look a little better this season in general or on balance,

566
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Speaker 5: that he might at least show, you know, three out

567
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 5: of five games or four out of five games, you're

568
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 5: going nice, Okay, he's he looks a little more forcefull

569
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 5: or you know, focused, or his passing looks sharper or whatever.

570
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 5: He still has one turnover a game where he just

571
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 5: throws an atrocious pass even though he made a good read.

572
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 5: So he's got a lot to clean up, even though he.

573
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Speaker 6: Clearly has a solid base of skills.

574
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Speaker 5: And that's for them to figure out by February, right,

575
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 5: because you know, who knows what his value will be

576
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 5: if he goes into year four and doesn't show a

577
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 5: ton of pop. Besides, just like a bench level wing

578
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: who's on a somewhat sizeable salary and his rookie deal,

579
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 5: he obviously has a lot of potential, right, he can

580
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 5: kind of shoot. He's got a huge defensive size, but

581
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 5: yet to kind of put it all together for like

582
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 5: ten fifteen games in a row, and so it's really

583
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 5: hard to pin down what his actual value would even be.

584
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Speaker 1: So Jeris Walker is Michael Corleone from the Godfather. That's

585
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: what That's what we figured out in this right.

586
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 5: Tony, should I have just said that instead of talking

587
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 5: for two and a half minutes that.

588
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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying it's great Tony East at Tony R.

589
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: East by the way on the expost Twitter. Finally, Tony,

590
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: did you and I don't know if you went? Did

591
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Speaker 1: you get a I was? I was surprised, Like I'm

592
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: leaving the game the other night, I can't remember which

593
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: game it was, And I turned around and I'm.

594
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 4: Like, is that Alla Depot sitting there like behind, like

595
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 4: wearing a hoodie?

596
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: Like?

597
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: And I realized I knew that he was in town

598
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: for you know, the Herd in the the G League

599
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: game against the Boom.

600
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Speaker 4: Did you happen to see him play?

601
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 6: I did not get to go.

602
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 5: I had four straight days of hosting family for Thanksgiving.

603
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 5: It was lovely, but made it impossible to leave to

604
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 5: go watch Tail and Peter and Victilady book playing the

605
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: boom game.

606
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 4: You've got four straight days of family. That's impressive.

607
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 6: We hosted people so uh and they all front worked

608
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 6: from out of state, and then the last day two

609
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 6: others who weren't here originally were passing through from somewhere else,

610
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 6: so we were we were in charge of things.

611
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: And an update for you personally, we got another new

612
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 5: kitten and we're dogs sitting for my wife's parents right now, so.

613
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: Our house was standing. The new contains new kitten's name

614
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: would be.

615
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 6: Manny. His name is Manny.

616
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 4: We have Winston and Manny, Winston and Manny.

617
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 6: Yes, But anyway, because of all that happened at.

618
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 5: The same time, so we had six people here and

619
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Speaker 5: two extra pets.

620
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Speaker 6: A month ago none of them were here and no, no, no,

621
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Speaker 6: he is not okay.

622
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Speaker 4: So some things to work out.

623
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Speaker 1: What you're getting at You're still you're still trying to

624
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: figure out who are the empty calorie kittens and who's yeah, okay, yeah, I.

625
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 5: Want them to the empty gallery gittens for like two freakin' seconds,

626
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 5: but that has not happened at all yet, So I'll

627
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 5: do it my.

628
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: Best, Tony.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time as always, Tony East joining us

630
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Speaker 1: Java House Peeling Poor Guests Line.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it, Man, Yeah, I'm very.

632
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Speaker 6: Stressed about the Hoosier Week, so glad I got to

633
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 6: not think about that for a couple of minutes.

634
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, ton you what it is stressful.

635
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: When you start talking about Ohio sports and notably Columbus Sports.

636
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Speaker 1: One of the guys that is one of the real

637
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: good guys in the Paddock area when it comes to

638
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: IndyCar racing, he has followed the ray Halls forever and

639
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: as a result is routinely around Indianapolis, but also all

640
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: of the different spots that we have in IndyCar. But

641
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: his primary gig for years with the Columbus Dispatch, he

642
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: has been covering for over forty two years Ohio sports

643
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: and notably the Ohio State football buck Eyes. He now

644
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: has the Tim May Show on fanstreamssports dot com and

645
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: he joins me now on the Java House Peeling Poor

646
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Speaker 1: Guest line Tip May from Columbus, Ohio.

647
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: Tim, how are you good?

648
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Speaker 2: Jake? How you doing?

649
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 7: Man? I've always whatever I have a question, I always

650
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 7: called a query show.

651
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

652
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: See, Tim, you are one of literally eighteen people in

653
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Speaker 1: the world that know that query means a question, and

654
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Speaker 1: I could not be more thrilled for it.

655
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Speaker 7: Right, And that just shows you what state the world

656
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Speaker 7: is in as we speak.

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Speaker 2: Brother.

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Speaker 4: See, this is for those that don't know.

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Speaker 1: We've already gotten a glimpse of what conversations sound like

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Speaker 1: in press rooms when Tim and I sit and solve

661
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Speaker 1: the world's problems. All right, Tim, let's get to this

662
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Speaker 1: Ohio State in Indiana. Obviously, Ohio State is the pedigree program.

663
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Speaker 1: Indiana is this incredible Cinderella story that is now no

664
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Speaker 1: longer a Cinderella because they've gone past midnight. And oh

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Speaker 1: you so, I'm curious if you really did have to

666
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Speaker 1: in transparency here, what is the Ohio State fan or

667
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Speaker 1: just culture perception of Indiana? What is the thought here

668
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Speaker 1: of you know it is? How serious do they take Indiana?

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Speaker 7: Nineteen eighty seven, Earl Bruce got beat in the Ohio stadium.

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Speaker 7: I think the score was I think it was thirty

671
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Speaker 7: maybe yep, yeah, And Earl Bruce, in the Ohio State

672
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Speaker 7: football coach called it the darkest day in Ohio State history,

673
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Speaker 7: not Ohio State football history, Ohio State history. And then

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Speaker 7: the next year Bill Mallory did it two years in

675
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Speaker 7: a row, beat Ohio State and beat him thoroughly. For

676
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Speaker 7: I'm just throwing a little history out there. I think

677
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Speaker 7: it was forty one to seven or something remarkable. And uh,

678
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Speaker 7: in my lead in the in the Colembus Dispatch on

679
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Speaker 7: my story the next day was a new day has

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Speaker 7: dawned in the Big ten and uh, little I know

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Speaker 7: that'd be the last time Indiana would have beaten Ohio

682
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Speaker 7: State until as we speak right now. So it's kind

683
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Speaker 7: of hard to it's kind of hard to pinpoint we

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Speaker 7: Ohio State per sieves of Indiana, except I keep pointing

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Speaker 7: out the people. Indiana under Kurt Signetti has now lost

686
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Speaker 7: two games in two seasons, and the two losses worked

687
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Speaker 7: to the two teams that played for the for the

688
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Speaker 7: national championship last year. They've gone undefeated in this I mean,

689
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Speaker 7: you know, Indiana's never been at this level before in

690
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Speaker 7: terms of winning on a consistent basis, much less going undefeated.

691
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Speaker 7: So you last year, oh my goodness, this year, oh okay,

692
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Speaker 7: Kurt Signetti at AL know exactly what they're doing. And

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Speaker 7: you know, I said back in the late spring, early

694
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Speaker 7: summer that my opinion of Indiana was going to be

695
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Speaker 7: better than it was last year because it had gotten

696
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Speaker 7: key portal, some key portal transferred guys, not the least

697
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Speaker 7: of which was Fernando Mendoza, the quarterback from California, because

698
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Speaker 7: he was an upgrade you know, no offense to mister Rourke,

699
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Speaker 7: but it's.

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Speaker 2: Definitely upgrade there. And I think.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's seen it now. He's depending on where you look at.

702
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Speaker 7: He's a Heisman favorite, one of the Heisman favorites, along

703
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Speaker 7: with Julian saying, so Saturday night has a lot hanging

704
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Speaker 7: in the balance in Lucas Oil.

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Speaker 1: Do we know' let's talk about the quarterback matchup ten?

706
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Speaker 1: Because this is I think you're right, I mean, I

707
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Speaker 1: think the Heisman make him down to this game, right,

708
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Speaker 1: Julian saying, let's start there. He is a younger player,

709
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Speaker 1: he has had a phenomenal year. He has outstanding weapons

710
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Speaker 1: around him. Do we know what kind of player he

711
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Speaker 1: is when they're his heat on him? Or they have

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Speaker 1: they adequately protected him so far this year? And can

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Speaker 1: Indiana get to him?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean we'll have to wait and find out. Jake,

715
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Speaker 7: I mean, I know that's a cop out, but but

716
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Speaker 7: but Ohio State the offensive line. You know, and now

717
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Speaker 7: see the All Big Ten Offensive Award winners and teams,

718
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Speaker 7: and they didn't have one member of its offensive line

719
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Speaker 7: on the first team on either first team, so I

720
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Speaker 7: think as a major oversight by those who voted on

721
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Speaker 7: the awards. But the bottom line is we're gonna have

722
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Speaker 7: to find out. I mean, this offensive line is playing

723
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Speaker 7: at a very high level. As the game went on

724
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Speaker 7: on Saturday in the Big House, they took more and

725
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Speaker 7: more control of it and it's kind of been fun

726
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Speaker 7: to watch as much like last year. You know, Ohioate

727
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Speaker 7: got beat by Michigan and it was their second loss,

728
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Speaker 7: and a lot of people gave up on the Hosti

729
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Speaker 7: football team. But they lost two starters, two major starters

730
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Speaker 7: as the season went on. Last year, their center and

731
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Speaker 7: their left tackle. Both of them were drafted in the

732
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Speaker 7: National Football League, and you know, Josh Summons is playing

733
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Speaker 7: first round draft pick in the National Football League. The

734
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Speaker 7: left tackle they lost. But the bottom line is the

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Speaker 7: offensive line. In December through January, the four games they

736
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Speaker 7: won to win the National Championship, it was the best

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Speaker 7: offensive line in the country. I don't think anybody would

738
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Speaker 7: argue with that. With the way they took care of

739
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Speaker 7: business throughout the playoffs. This offensive line replaced a couple

740
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Speaker 7: of starters, but has really grown into itself in the

741
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Speaker 7: last couple of weeks. And you know, everybody was poo

742
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 7: pooing their schedule until they played in Michigan and then

743
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Speaker 7: they took care of Michigan in a methodical fashion. So

744
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Speaker 7: I think they feel pretty good about their ability to

745
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Speaker 7: protect the quarterback. But I keep reminding people Indiana didn't

746
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Speaker 7: get here on a fluke man. This is no lark.

747
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Speaker 7: I mean, Indiana's gotten after people defensively as much as

748
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Speaker 7: they have offensively. But you know, we'll see on Saturday

749
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Speaker 7: night if o Higo State's offensive line is up to

750
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Speaker 7: this test. I mean it's a it's a Indiana pledge.

751
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Speaker 7: You pretty straight up gets after you to a certain extent,

752
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Speaker 7: but it'll be a man the man kind of battle

753
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Speaker 7: there in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: What about on the other side of things, Tim tim

755
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Speaker 1: May is my guest Java House, peeling Port guest line.

756
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Speaker 1: When you look at Mendoza in Indiana trying to keep

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Speaker 1: him clean. This is an elite level defense for Ohio State.

758
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: For Ohio State and their defensive coverage, their strength starts where.

759
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 7: Starts right in the middle of the defensive line. With

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Speaker 7: Cad McDonald, who was named the Big Ten Defensive Lineman

761
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Speaker 7: of the Year just yesterday, you know, a guy who's

762
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Speaker 7: really come into his own. I mean, you know, the

763
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Speaker 7: biggest question for us at cover House State and really nationally,

764
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Speaker 7: because you have to have some questions right about an

765
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Speaker 7: elite program, was what they.

766
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Speaker 2: Were going to do.

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Speaker 7: They were placing eight starters on the defense and all

768
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Speaker 7: four of the defensive line starters were included in that,

769
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Speaker 7: and how are they going.

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Speaker 2: To rise to that challenge?

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Speaker 7: And they really got nobody in the from the interior

772
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Speaker 7: for the interior defensive line. They got nobody in the

773
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Speaker 7: transfer portal. So the depth was going to have to

774
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Speaker 7: come from within. And you know, one of the one

775
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Speaker 7: of the great things about Covern Ohio State over the

776
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 7: years is watching guys bubble up, who wait their turn

777
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 7: and bubble up, and uh, you know, we've seen that

778
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Speaker 7: on the defensive front. Cad McDonald's a great example of that.

779
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Speaker 7: But but almost everybody everybody who's playing this year played

780
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Speaker 7: a lot last year, especially that in that playoff run.

781
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Speaker 7: But Caden McDonald and now you've got Taiwan Malone who

782
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 7: has come on. Edric Houston was a five star freshman

783
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Speaker 7: a year ago. He kind of had a slow start

784
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 7: to this year, helter skelter start, but he's playing extremely well.

785
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Speaker 7: I'm talking about the guys on the interior. There will

786
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Speaker 7: a guy named Will Smith Junior. I think everybody remembers

787
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Speaker 7: Will Smith, the late, late great Will Smith, who was

788
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Speaker 7: part of the two thousand and two five state national

789
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Speaker 7: championship as a defensive.

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Speaker 2: End of his His son is.

791
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Speaker 7: In namesake is a is a tackle in the middle

792
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 7: there who plays plays a pretty good bit recently.

793
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Speaker 2: And then you know they got this guy.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if people over in Indiana remember a

795
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Speaker 7: guy named Kaden Curry, you know from right there in

796
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Speaker 7: Center Grove, right down the street. You know, he played

797
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 7: what three straight, uh three straight Indiana Indiana High school

798
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Speaker 7: state championship games there in Lucas Oil and I think

799
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Speaker 7: he won two of them. But you know, he and

800
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Speaker 7: ken YadA Jackson waited their turn behind Jack Sawyer and JT.

801
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 7: Towey Molowow who returned last year because they wanted another

802
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Speaker 7: crack at the brass ring. They got the national championship,

803
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 7: but they didn't beat Michigan, and they didn't win. They

804
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 7: didn't get to play for a Big Ten championship for

805
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Speaker 7: the fourth straight year. Well, Kat and Curry's really come on.

806
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 7: He and ken YadA Jackson and everybody watching on Saturday,

807
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Speaker 7: number ninety seven. Ken YadA Jackson just has really really

808
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 7: exploded over the last many weeks, and so they feel

809
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 7: pretty good about that defensive front. So it starts there,

810
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 7: and then you've got a guy like Caleb Downs, you

811
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Speaker 7: know Big Ten defensive Player of the year, defensive back

812
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 7: of the year who as in essence as a quarterback

813
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Speaker 7: at safety, but he can play all in almost seven positions.

814
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Speaker 7: And it's not even that he's has kind of his

815
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 7: own special position wherever Matt Patricia puts him or he

816
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 7: decides to go on the defense. And you know the

817
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 7: transfer from Alabama from a year ago who was part

818
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Speaker 7: in partial i say defense a year ago. But the

819
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Speaker 7: way he gets guys lined up, the way he messes

820
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Speaker 7: with the quarterback's head before, during, and after a snap,

821
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Speaker 7: things like that, that's that's what they have going for.

822
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Speaker 7: I mean, they have the outline backer of the year

823
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Speaker 7: in Rvl rees Uh, who's really come on. Under the

824
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Speaker 7: matt Patricia system and Sonny Styles who is playing.

825
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: At a really high level. And Jaylen McClain.

826
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Speaker 7: Uh played decently in the in the National Championship run

827
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Speaker 7: at the other safety spot. Well boy, did he have

828
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Speaker 7: a game on Saturday at Michigan. And then their two

829
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Speaker 7: cornerbacks played extensively last year. Jermaine Matthews is a first

830
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 7: time full year starter, but he played. He was on

831
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Speaker 7: the goal line stand when they when they held Texas

832
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 7: off last year when Jack Sawyer had the big return,

833
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 7: and Uh and of course Davis and Nick but Nosen.

834
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Speaker 7: If he could just keep from grabbing people, he may

835
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Speaker 7: be as good a corner as year as in the country.

836
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Speaker 7: And I'm not, you know, I'm not. I don't think

837
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Speaker 7: this is out purberly. You know how State's got the

838
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 7: number one defense in the country for a reason, and

839
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Speaker 7: you know.

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Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about this matchup is right there and

841
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Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, I don't disagree with that.

842
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: But Indian, you know, and then you got Indiana. Statistically,

843
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: the areas in which these two teams, these two programs

844
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Speaker 1: are one and two or two and one. I mean,

845
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Speaker 1: it's it's remarkable the I think these are this is

846
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Speaker 1: clearly tim I do. I think this is clearly the

847
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: two best teams in the country. The question is is

848
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Speaker 1: there a gap there? Now, let's get to the other

849
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Speaker 1: side of this. I talked to Graham ray Hill about

850
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Speaker 1: this earlier this week. I want your perspective. Has Ohio

851
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: State held close to the vest their cards offensively? Have

852
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: we seen this offensive Ohio State play on all of

853
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Speaker 1: the cylinders with which they're capable of playing.

854
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Speaker 2: Well?

855
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Speaker 7: I think the big question about Ohio State, you know,

856
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 7: remember the Saint Louis Rams, the best, you know, the

857
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 7: greatest show on turf.

858
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Speaker 2: Yep, you know. The big question was.

859
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Speaker 7: Was whether I they could go on ice or snow

860
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Speaker 7: or the four wheel drive kind of approach, which is

861
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Speaker 7: what they did last week offensively against Michigan. I mean,

862
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Speaker 7: they had a twenty plate twelve minute drive in the

863
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Speaker 7: middle of the second half that was pretty cool, except

864
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 7: he didn' score a touchdown and end up kicking a

865
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Speaker 7: field goal with so Ryan they didn't give it an

866
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Speaker 7: a plus plus on the drive.

867
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Speaker 2: But as far as.

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Speaker 7: Eating clocket was but I think you've seen a lot

869
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Speaker 7: of waterhouse they's capable of. But they've thrown things out

870
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Speaker 7: there of which you know, there are tangents that they

871
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Speaker 7: where they can go from the.

872
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: Four tight end. Look, they give you that the goal line.

873
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 7: One of the tight ends ends up being a fullback

874
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 7: in that a lot in an a formation. But they'll

875
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 7: have four tight ends on the field. And you think

876
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 7: you've seen all of those things that you have, and

877
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 7: I mean there are other ways they can go with

878
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 7: that formation in terms of running and throwing the ball.

879
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 7: That's just an example. But you know you've seen Julian saying,

880
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 7: I mean Urban Meyer the other day and he has

881
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 7: no reason to really say this, but thinks he might

882
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 7: be the most accurate quarterback in college football history. I mean,

883
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 7: to watch this guy throw the ball, it's remarkable. And

884
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 7: the wind and snow or the yeah, there was a

885
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 7: decent breeze. Let's put it that a way in Michigan

886
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 7: Stadium last week, the big house. So they need to

887
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 7: shut the windows, I guess. But uh, at the bottom line,

888
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 7: us he uh, you know, he he completed touchdown passes

889
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 7: to all three of his starting wide receivers, Jeremiah Smith,

890
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 7: Carneal Tait on that deep post.

891
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: Uh.

892
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 7: Of course it broke Michigan's back, but also Brandon Ennis.

893
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 7: They're kind of like forgotten about third wide receiver in

894
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 7: that group. They've got all kinds of things they can

895
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 7: go to from a throwing standpoint, like you said, if

896
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 7: they can protect, and Julian's saying, has shown the ability,

897
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 7: you know, to elude pressure and do it in sort

898
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 7: of a smooth kind of way, and he has also

899
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 7: shown the willingness and ability to run if he has to.

900
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 7: You know, when he came out of Carlsbad, California h

901
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 7: two years ago and initially signed with Alabama, he was

902
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 7: considered one of the elite dual threat quarterbacks in the country.

903
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 7: People forget that and his high school coach. I've had

904
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 7: him on my tim May show several times on the

905
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 7: like you said, fans strange sports just talking about him

906
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 7: and how he's sort of underestimated. I mean, he's even

907
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 7: underestimating how tall he is. People were thinking he was

908
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 7: like Drew Brees height him. He's like six', one just

909
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 7: six y. One but he's just so smooth and sort

910
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 7: of like unflappable and also doesn't say a whole lot

911
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 7: that you you kind of, go how good is this?

912
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 7: Guy and he's what completing seventy eight percent of his.

913
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 7: Passes that's pretty damn. Good and he's only thrown five.

914
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 7: Interceptions one was last week Against, michigan and then he

915
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 7: came back and Cut michigan's heart, out you, know with

916
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 7: some pretty good. Passing so they feel pretty good about.

917
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 7: That but it really helps that they've had a GUY

918
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 7: i only sure you remember this, Name, jake but a

919
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 7: guy Named Bo jackson has emerged as the number one

920
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 7: running back for a house no, relation.

921
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: No relations no relationship To, bo and no relation To Lamar,

922
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: jackson who and that's his real, name, Right.

923
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 7: Yeah well his that's his nickname. Is dad gave him.

924
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 7: BOW i can't remember what his real name, Is.

925
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: LAMAR i think his name Is Lamar. Jackson, yeah, exactly not.

926
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: Related i'm, Sorry, yeah he's either.

927
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 7: Right you were a step and a half ahead of me, There.

928
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 7: Jake that's, why that's why you have this. Show but,

929
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 7: no and Then isaiah.

930
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: Where answers to, HIM i mean real query.

931
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: Is in the, yeah queries in the. Quandaries but, uh

932
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: but Also Isaiah west.

933
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 7: Another both these guys are, FRESHMEN i mean true freshman running,

934
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 7: backs and, uh they really come on of late AS

935
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 7: i like to, Say west likes to go north, south you,

936
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 7: know and he's that kind of put the foot in

937
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 7: the ground and go kind of. Guy And Bo jackson same.

938
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 7: Way and then C. J, donaldson the guy that got

939
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 7: From West virginia transfer running back because he just needed

940
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 7: kind of figure out a way to replace the power

941
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 7: back That Quinn Sewan judkins was a year. Ago they

942
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 7: thought they had the makings to Replace Treyvon, henderson which they,

943
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 7: have but IF. Cj donaldson comes in on really power

944
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 7: situations and maybe pass pro. Situations But Bo jackson's gotten

945
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 7: really good at pass pro.

946
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Two so they feel really good about this.

947
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 7: Offense and that's not to, mention you, know Will Keas

948
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 7: merrick And Max. Claire Will Kes merrick transferred From Ohio

949
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 7: university two years ago for the twenty twenty four. Season

950
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 7: Max clair of, course transferred From purdue this. Year at tight,

951
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 7: ends both of them had huge catches in that game

952
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 7: At michigan for example last. Week and that's what that's

953
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 7: what such good quarterbacks apart, man they know where their

954
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 7: tight ends. Are And i've Complimented julian saying on that

955
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 7: to his face a couple of times because he just

956
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 7: seems much older in terms of maturity than his years.

957
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: Would indicate being just A richard.

958
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: Freshman tim May Ohio, State Indiana Saturday.

959
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: Night tim's got permanent Residents indian app because he's always

960
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: here covering the speedway as. Well and Then Ohio state's

961
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: always playing big games over. Here next, Time, tim when

962
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: we have you on study the roster a little, bit would.

963
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: You, YEAH i will do, That. Jake and by the,

964
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: WAY i can't wait to get my. Gifts your tip

965
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: gets The Saint.

966
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: Elmo's we'll get you hooked.

967
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: Up.

968
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: Man we'll get you some of the shrimp. Cocktail. Tim

969
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: by the, way The Saint. Elmo, now if just so

970
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: you Know tim and for the rest of, You tim

971
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: knows this, probably but the shrimp, cocktail you don't have

972
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: to go. There you can go To harry and his

973
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: is right next. Door in case it's, packed because it

974
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: will be for The Big ten title, Game i'm certain of.

975
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: That but a good breakdown On Ohio state