Speaker 1: Michael Penrose top of the Hour fever a winter last night.
Speaker 1: They added again coming up on Friday, closed out a
Speaker 1: three game road trip after the All Star Break with
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Links coming up at one o'clock on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Pregame on Friday night with Tidrow I believe comes your
Speaker 1: way at nine to thirty. That's a ten o'clock start
Speaker 1: coming up on Friday night on Ion. And speaking of Ion,
Speaker 1: in other I guess budding sports content hosts out there,
Speaker 1: I'll think anymore. Automotive Group Potline from the Sports Business
Speaker 1: Journal Sports Business Journal dot com. Austin Karp had a
Speaker 1: fantastic article a little bit earlier today, a little heads
Speaker 1: up regarding Dezone going big on sports and really investing
Speaker 1: in the NBA market, and Austin joins us right now,
Speaker 1: good afternoon to your Palhaw.
Speaker 2: Are you thanks for having me?
Speaker 3: Appreciate it?
Speaker 4: Great stuff? So where do we start?
Speaker 1: Give everybody a significant background that may not know, like me,
Speaker 1: everything about the Zone.
Speaker 3: Well, the Zone is one of the biggest streaming companies,
Speaker 3: you know, probably in the world, but they're you know,
Speaker 3: very focused on the European market, very big on soccer.
Speaker 3: In a lot of European countries, a mixed martial arts
Speaker 3: and boxing, but they've kind of had trouble cracking the
Speaker 3: code and cracking into the US market. You've seen them
Speaker 3: out there, They've had some boxing matches. They were the
Speaker 3: primary carrier of the FIFA Club World Cup in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five, but they really haven't been able to get
Speaker 3: a mass audience. They tried an NFL like highlight show
Speaker 3: and they had John Skipper who used to run ESPN.
Speaker 3: He was an advisor. That's how he tried to get
Speaker 3: them involved with the NFL. That really hasn't worked. Now
Speaker 3: where they see an entry point is getting in with
Speaker 3: these local teams which have had issues with that collapse
Speaker 3: of Main Street Sports Group that owned you know your
Speaker 3: networks like FANDO, Sports Network, Indiana, those all across the country.
Speaker 3: They're going to try to aggregate as many teams as
Speaker 3: they can t Wolves, Cabs, Pacers, Spurs, Grizzlies on the
Speaker 3: NBA side. But the big news this morning was that
Speaker 3: they're going to take a lot of the streaming in
Speaker 3: the New York market. That's this Gotham map which had
Speaker 3: the combination of like Yes Network and MSG, so big
Speaker 3: teams there Yankees, Knicks, Rangers, et cetera, Sabers, Nets, and
Speaker 3: a bunch of others. They're going to be the home
Speaker 3: for all they want to be the home for all
Speaker 3: of these teams, and that's gonna they think, be the
Speaker 3: entry point for them in the US market.
Speaker 4: He is Austin Carp, Bad Austin Karp. That's Karp with
Speaker 4: a K.
Speaker 1: You can find him on the social media platform x
Speaker 1: He's on the Andy Moore Automotive Group hotline. So how well,
Speaker 1: how would you gauge that folks would feel about this
Speaker 1: transition with the owne in mind, Like, give me your
Speaker 1: expectation on if all of this comes to fruition, especially
Speaker 1: here in this indie market for the Pacers, how do
Speaker 1: you expect the fans to feel and how would you
Speaker 1: feel about it? How do you think this is going
Speaker 1: to go if indeed it does well.
Speaker 3: I lid so much on the weeds on this media stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't think it phazes me as much anymore. But
Speaker 3: if you're a general fan, it's probably getting a little
Speaker 3: annoying these days. If you were an NBA fan last year,
Speaker 3: you had to find out that there's new media partners
Speaker 3: and it's New Nights for Is it on Prime Video?
Speaker 5: Is it on NBC?
Speaker 3: Is it on Peacock?
Speaker 4: Is it on ABC?
Speaker 3: Is it on ESPN? And it's double the amount of networks.
Speaker 3: If you're a WNBA fan, if you're trying to find
Speaker 3: the Indiana Fever, they could be on I ON or
Speaker 3: USA or NBC or CBS or NBA TV or Amazon Prime.
Speaker 3: It's it's getting incredibly difficult for fans. But this would
Speaker 3: almost be outside of those National Games kind of one
Speaker 3: stop shopping for Pacers fans, Like if it's not on
Speaker 3: National TV, you kind of know it's going to be
Speaker 3: on the Zonne like it was with Fandols Sports Network Indiana.
Speaker 3: There are there are, there is the availability at least
Speaker 3: sources are telling us that will be potential over the packages.
Speaker 3: So you might have some of those broadcast TV games,
Speaker 3: a few of those that are simulcast or at least
Speaker 3: in front of any sort of payball that Dezone has
Speaker 3: making it a little easier for fans to get exposure
Speaker 3: to some of those games.
Speaker 1: Austin carp He joins us trying to sort this out,
Speaker 1: and again I want to remind folks, this is not
Speaker 1: etgeton Stone yet, but we shall see, because we've talked
Speaker 1: about this Austin during the offseason. What is going to
Speaker 1: be the new broadcast home. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know this or not, but we are the radio
Speaker 1: voice of the Pacers and that is great. I want
Speaker 1: people to listen to us all the time. But I
Speaker 1: just know that people want the visual and you are
Speaker 1: right to say it has to be easier. It has
Speaker 1: to be not only easier Austin to find, because these
Speaker 1: fever games at times are incredibly hard to find. It's
Speaker 1: like a process every single week to find out where
Speaker 1: you're going. But there's also a cost. And folks for
Speaker 1: tossing around the idea of this being a very expensive proposition,
Speaker 1: what would you know or what would you expect in
Speaker 1: that category?
Speaker 3: It is getting more expensive to watch your team, Like
Speaker 3: you're now having to pay if you have cut the
Speaker 3: cord and you don't have whether it's Comcast or whatever,
Speaker 3: have in your market, Charter Spectrum or even draw a
Speaker 3: direct TV if you just want that direct to consumer
Speaker 3: over the top streaming service. Yeah, that's an added fee
Speaker 3: you're paying for your team, and it's it's so counterintuitive
Speaker 3: where sports media has gone these days. We're in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six and we're pining for nineteen eighties technology set up,
Speaker 3: Like if only there was some way to bundle all
Speaker 3: of these channels together in one stop shopping. This is
Speaker 3: literally technology like that's thirty years ago. Yeah, a development
Speaker 3: that was more fan friendly than it is today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's incredible, and I don't know if that
Speaker 1: is likely to change Austin anytime soon. You agree, it's
Speaker 1: I think we're all going to be discombobulated as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: And when you see the NFL doing it, because the
Speaker 1: NFL normally takes terms, it's almost like everybody else follows
Speaker 1: in in to suit with the amount of money that's
Speaker 1: remaining for their broadcast content.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to get the money that you got pretty easily
Speaker 3: in yesteryear, you are now having to bring on those multi,
Speaker 3: multi multiple media partners. If it's something like Nascar, there
Speaker 3: just used to be a Fox portion of the season
Speaker 3: and there used to be an NBC portion of the
Speaker 3: season that got split up into four media partners because
Speaker 3: that's how Nascar was able to get a media rights increase.
Speaker 3: So for the consumer, you got to hop from Fox
Speaker 3: to FS one to Prime Video to TNT or True
Speaker 3: TV wherever you're watching, and then over to NBC and USA.
Speaker 3: It is. It is crazy trying to find the race
Speaker 3: every week. You got to have literally the old TV
Speaker 3: guy to figure out where your sports are.
Speaker 1: From a selfish angle, Austin, here, I have direct TV,
Speaker 1: and here's why it is. As you say earlier, it
Speaker 1: is archaic. I've had it for the better part of
Speaker 1: now twenty five years.
Speaker 4: I rarely watch anything outside of really about five channels,
Speaker 4: and literally that is it.
Speaker 1: But here's what I know. I know what is necessary
Speaker 1: for me to do my job is always going to
Speaker 1: be right there. And the Pacers were a part of
Speaker 1: that equation. Well that continue. How would the NBA navigate
Speaker 1: with DirectTV or the full court package or any of
Speaker 1: that if this comes to fruition.
Speaker 3: See, you would have your national games at least, you know,
Speaker 3: if it was on NBC or if it was on ESPN, ABC,
Speaker 3: but if you already had to leave your direct TV service,
Speaker 3: if your a game was on Prime video. And it's
Speaker 3: not just random game. We're talking about playoff series that
Speaker 3: we're on. There a lot of these in season tournament games.
Speaker 3: Those are all on Prime video. So you're having to
Speaker 3: leave that and you would likely have to leave to
Speaker 3: go watch you have to leave to go watch his
Speaker 3: own because it's a separate app. But what we're seeing
Speaker 3: now is more of what's called this like channels business.
Speaker 3: If you turn on Amazon Prime a lot, you see like, oh,
Speaker 3: I can get my Paramount Plus on there, or I
Speaker 3: can get my HBO Max or my Apple TV shows
Speaker 3: within that universe. Now you can do that for most
Speaker 3: media companies out there, everything except for Netflix and Disney,
Speaker 3: because they don't put their original content anywhere else but
Speaker 3: on their own streaming platforms. And that's something that company
Speaker 3: needs to change. There needs to be more bundling, more together,
Speaker 3: more of that direct TV or cable TV universe that
Speaker 3: used to exist if we're going to have a fan
Speaker 3: friendly environment.
Speaker 1: Austin Karpa of Sports Business Journal Sports Business Journal dot
Speaker 1: Com joins us final thing here, do you think that
Speaker 1: this actually does, for example, for the Pacers in this
Speaker 1: indie market?
Speaker 4: Does that happen?
Speaker 1: And do you think people around here will be happy
Speaker 1: with it? Maybe compared to fan duel and that coverage
Speaker 1: of the past. How will Pacer fans feel around here about.
Speaker 3: It in terms of coverage I'm not sure you'll notice
Speaker 3: much of a difference. You're basically just going to be
Speaker 3: switching apps. I imagine that they're going to want to
Speaker 3: keep around a lot of the production talent and a
Speaker 3: lot of the team talent, the broadcast talent that's hired
Speaker 3: by the team anyways, so you'll have a lot of
Speaker 3: the same figures there, just on a You're gonna have
Speaker 3: to have some education for fans, especially before the season,
Speaker 3: where you can find Pacers games this season. I do
Speaker 3: think this sort of deal is going to get done.
Speaker 3: The number of streaming platform players out there that are
Speaker 3: able to deliver something like this that is shrinking. We
Speaker 3: have seen services out there like a like a Victory Plus,
Speaker 3: which started with the Dallas Stars and got the Ducks
Speaker 3: and some of the in the Texas Rangers, and they
Speaker 3: were talking to a lot of these NBA teams as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: We already saw the Texas Rangers midway through the season
Speaker 3: drop Victory Plus as a streaming service. Nobody drops your
Speaker 3: streaming service midway through a season. That nobody does that.
Speaker 3: Talk about unfanned friendly, but that's how bad the business
Speaker 3: model was, and it sounds like checks were not clearing
Speaker 3: from that service limited buyers out there. One thing I
Speaker 3: can say about the Zone is that it is incredibly
Speaker 3: well capitalized. It's owned by one of the richest billionaires
Speaker 3: in the world, lives in Europe, so they don't have
Speaker 3: a money problem, but they have a recognition problem. And
Speaker 3: I think adding these teams, whether it's MLB, NHL, NBA
Speaker 3: aggregating as many as they can and being at the
Speaker 3: table with the NBA and MLBN NHL, when those leagues
Speaker 3: create a national product of local streaming services, that'll help
Speaker 3: the Zone with that proposition.
Speaker 1: That is Austin Karp with us and I mentioned this
Speaker 1: as we came in. We obviously watched the fever around
Speaker 1: here last night. It was ESPN Friday Night.
Speaker 4: It's I on.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're on locally, which is awesome, on Channel thirteen,
Speaker 1: the NBC affiliate locally, sometimes not, they're on other venues
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 4: Is this working out for them right now?
Speaker 1: And I don't know, is there a change of pace
Speaker 1: for that league and how we're going to be able
Speaker 1: to watch their television broadcast in the not so distant future.
Speaker 3: I think that is stink steady. This is year one
Speaker 3: of the WNBA New Media Rights deal. Now, let's just
Speaker 3: start locally with the Fever. Like the local deal that
Speaker 3: you are talking about, those over the air games, that's
Speaker 3: one of, if not the most lucrative local media rights
Speaker 3: deal in the NBA. So they love to have that.
Speaker 3: Even though the Fever No surprise lead all teams in
Speaker 3: terms of national TV appearances, everybody wants some of the Fever.
Speaker 3: If you look at the top games over the course
Speaker 3: of the first half of the season, the first seven
Speaker 3: all Fever games, there are twenty nine games so far
Speaker 3: that have topped one million viewers for the WNBA. Half
Speaker 3: of those are Fever games. And that's across a variety
Speaker 3: of networks, whether it's USA I on like we're talking about,
Speaker 3: if they're part of a regionalized window there on a
Speaker 3: Friday night. So the Fever are continuing to and Caitlin
Speaker 3: Clark continuing to drive interest, viewership up twelve percent at
Speaker 3: the All Star break.
Speaker 1: One more thing I wanted to ask, and this is
Speaker 1: on a national basis, here, do the networks in this
Speaker 1: deal do they charge more for Fever Caitlin Clark games
Speaker 1: then they might for other matchups across the WNBA landscape
Speaker 1: of televised games.
Speaker 6: Is right.
Speaker 4: You're not charging per game like that, okay.
Speaker 3: But you know, if NBC is paying a meteor rights
Speaker 3: feed to the league, okay, they are now using their
Speaker 3: passing that cost along to the consumer when they do
Speaker 3: those carriage deals. When NBC is negotiating with Comcast, when
Speaker 3: NBC is negotiating with Charter Spectrum a direct TV, that
Speaker 3: price that you pay for your bill, why does that
Speaker 3: go up because the cost of that sports right has
Speaker 3: gone up. And when you add all the leagues together,
Speaker 3: you know, that's why sports continues to be so important
Speaker 3: for these companies and keeping them afloat like that's the
Speaker 3: only appointment for some of the only appointment television left
Speaker 3: out there. People aren't There's no gathering at the water
Speaker 3: cool or for a lot of these entertainment TV shows anymore.
Speaker 3: It's for sports, or it's for something like the Thanksgiving
Speaker 3: Day parade. It's very few in between.
Speaker 1: Austin Carr, fantastic job right there of sorting things out,
Speaker 1: at least for the time being with us. He's from
Speaker 1: the Sports Business Journal and the Andy Moore Automotive Group.
Speaker 1: Potline again Sports Business Journal dot Com for all the latest. Men,
Speaker 1: We're gonna stay in the loop with you if you
Speaker 1: don't mind to see where this thing ultimately goes and
Speaker 1: get your thoughts if again, everything turns out to be
Speaker 1: for real here further down the road, Austin.
Speaker 4: Thank you, happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Outstanding work, Austin carp right there, bringing the smarts real
Speaker 1: good to a show that lacks the smart's real good.
Speaker 4: That's what we need.
Speaker 1: When you just disconnected from Austin, the IQ of this
Speaker 1: show went down about one hundred and fifty points.
Speaker 4: I could see Austin laughing in the preview screen here
Speaker 4: when you said that, So nice job, right.
Speaker 1: I just lost the IQ points? Is poof gone? Hey,
Speaker 1: now we're going to talk about that rock. No, seriously.
Speaker 6: Gone.
Speaker 4: That was really good, good and full disclosure.
Speaker 1: Every single question I ask, and maybe some of you
Speaker 1: had already an answer, I had no answer none.
Speaker 4: So I didn't know if I was.
Speaker 1: Asking him something where he would go, oh, well, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, this is already this or that. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to completely put down de owne, but I was
Speaker 1: glad to hear him agree with me on where this
Speaker 1: has to go, and it does for the consumer of
Speaker 1: sports content out there. It has to become easier has
Speaker 1: to now he probably won't use the description of you
Speaker 1: gotta stop jacking around. I will and you got to
Speaker 1: stop jacking around. If this is it, I hope that
Speaker 1: it works. If this is it, I hope that it's cheap.
Speaker 1: A couple of back back years coming up that are
Speaker 1: huge for the Blue and Gold. I'm glad that you
Speaker 1: get the content right here on radio. Always want you
Speaker 1: listening to that. The TV is incredibly important, no doubt.
Speaker 1: The ride with JMV.
Speaker 7: I love winning, man, I love winning you hear what
Speaker 7: I'm saying. It's like better than losing that he three
Speaker 7: five and one oh seven five the Fan, Oh Fever,
Speaker 7: Last Night Fever Radio one oh five ninety five over
Speaker 7: the still on the first of three on the road
Speaker 7: in Portland.
Speaker 4: Coming up on Friday night ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: Is that Tipton nine thirty, tid Row's got your right
Speaker 1: here the links in Minnesota one o'clock on Sunday.
Speaker 4: That is going to be a.
Speaker 1: Hum dinger, as they say, pregame show here at twelve,
Speaker 1: maybe now at eighteen and ten. Overall hitting their stride
Speaker 1: and somebody that would know the voice of the Fever.
Speaker 1: He's our good friend Pat Boyling kind enough to join
Speaker 1: us on the Andy Moore Automotive Group plotline. You know,
Speaker 1: without the Leah Boston situation injury wise, last night, Man,
Speaker 1: that was so much more like it.
Speaker 5: Do you agree, Yeah, no question, John.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought they played terrifically in the first half,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the best first halves of the season.
Speaker 2: They certainly faced, you know, some adversity. That twenty point
Speaker 2: lead was down to two, and I really thought the
Speaker 2: beginning of the fourth quarter was one of the big
Speaker 2: gut check moments of the season so far. You have
Speaker 2: that twenty point lead, you lose a Lee of Boston.
Speaker 2: The lead is just kind of slowly dwindling away, but
Speaker 2: you haven't lost it, and it's at four points starting
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. Boston is not back. Caitlin Clark has
Speaker 2: played nearly the whole game, so she starts the fourth
Speaker 2: quarter on the bench, and so it's Kelsey Mitchell and
Speaker 2: a four point lead, and you're feeling a lot less
Speaker 2: confident than you were or maybe an hour ago, and
Speaker 2: then Kelsey Mitchell just delivers with eight points in the
Speaker 2: first couple of minutes, gets that lead back to ten.
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark comes back in, makes a couple of plays,
Speaker 2: hits a couple of shots, and you end up winning
Speaker 2: a game that you feel comfortable with. In the final
Speaker 2: few minutes, you certainly miss the Lea Boston's presidence. You know,
Speaker 2: they don't really have. If Caitlin Clark goes down, it's
Speaker 2: a very difficult thing to overcome. But you have another
Speaker 2: guard right next door in Kelsey Mitchell that's an All
Speaker 2: Star caliber player. When a Lee ab Boston goes down,
Speaker 2: you just missed her presence so significantly. But you know
Speaker 2: that backcourt is really really good for a reason. They're
Speaker 2: All Stars for a reason. The last time they played
Speaker 2: Seattle a week and a half ago, they combined for
Speaker 2: seventy five points, and they combined for sixty last night
Speaker 2: in Seattle, and they certainly needed just about all of
Speaker 2: those to power them to victory on top.
Speaker 1: Pat Boyle and who's on the Anymore Automotive Group hotline,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you Kelsey Mitchell is an absolute powder keg
Speaker 1: of offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, she's just so fun to watch
Speaker 2: right now. She has always been a dynamic offensive player,
Speaker 2: but what she has done in the last five six weeks,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think She's been the best player in
Speaker 2: the WNBA over the last month and a half. At
Speaker 2: twelve games now scoring at least twenty points per game,
Speaker 2: twelve games of hitting at least three threes per game.
Speaker 2: She's playing at an absolute elite MVP caliber level on
Speaker 2: the season as a whole, and so too is Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: But in the last five six weeks, I mean, she
Speaker 2: has just been on an otherworldly pair. And those two
Speaker 2: last night, you know, we're just talking about their contributions
Speaker 2: a little bit a moment ago, but Caitlin Clark was
Speaker 2: kind of that strong, steady, high level presence throughout the game.
Speaker 2: Kelsey Mitchell had ten points going into the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: and I made this comment, you know, on air to
Speaker 2: deb late in the game. You know, if you're Seattle
Speaker 2: defensively after three quarters, after thirty minutes, you've held Kelsey
Speaker 2: Mitchell to ten points, this feels like a massive win
Speaker 2: if you're the Storm. And then you look up at
Speaker 2: the end of the night and she finishes the game
Speaker 2: with twenty eight points still when you probably felt like
Speaker 2: you did a pretty good job on her for three
Speaker 2: quarters of the game. So yeah, I mean, her fourth
Speaker 2: quarter performance was massive I don't know that the Fever
Speaker 2: come away victorious without the fourth quarter that she had,
Speaker 2: especially when you consider Leah Boston was down. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're truly witnessing a scoring stretch that is historic right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's breaking just about every Fever scoring record
Speaker 2: that there is, and she's putting herself into rarefied air.
Speaker 2: Depending on whether you're looking at points per game or
Speaker 2: her three point percentage or efficiency, all of it is
Speaker 2: just at such a high level right now. And frankly,
Speaker 2: I was a little concerned when the team hit the
Speaker 2: All Star break. I mean, they had just been playing
Speaker 2: so well. Now, the All Star break in the w
Speaker 2: it's a lot shorter than it is in the NBA,
Speaker 2: So in the NBA you're off four over a week,
Speaker 2: and the WNBA you're off for a handful of days.
Speaker 2: But Clark had been playing great, Mitchell had been playing great.
Speaker 2: The Fever won three their final three games in four
Speaker 2: their last five going into the break, and I was
Speaker 2: kind of thinking he actually wanted to come. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you start the post All Star break plate with another
Speaker 2: offensive explosion as a team. Kelsey Mitchell really good, Kate
Speaker 2: Len Clark really good. So I think any worries about
Speaker 2: losing any of that momentum. Hopefully you know they were.
Speaker 2: They were called by Indiana's victory last night.
Speaker 1: Fever in Portland coming up on Friday night. Can you
Speaker 1: remember the last time that you you were watching a game,
Speaker 1: a part of a game where the opposition turned it
Speaker 1: over I believe just four times and lost at home.
Speaker 4: No, that was weird.
Speaker 2: I can't think of an example like that. It's obviously
Speaker 2: very very rare. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was really weird because I felt like this, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you feel the same that it seems
Speaker 1: like the Fever are taking better care of the ball.
Speaker 1: And then you look at the opposite side of of
Speaker 1: what happened in Seattle last night, and they really took
Speaker 1: care of it. They and the Fever just continued to
Speaker 1: shoot well, and as you mentioned, they blew a twenty
Speaker 1: point lead and then regained that advantage and kept the
Speaker 1: foot on the gas. They still gave up too much,
Speaker 1: which is ninety five. But I love it when their
Speaker 1: offense is as robust as we witnessed that last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can give up ninety five when you're scoring
Speaker 2: one oh five, that's for sure. You know, the couple
Speaker 2: of games against Seattle, I've just had some statistical eye poppers.
Speaker 2: I mean you talked about the turnover number, which you
Speaker 2: just referenced the game on July seventeenth in Indianapolis, the
Speaker 2: Storm set a franchise record with sixty six points in
Speaker 2: the paint in a game that they lost. That was
Speaker 2: the game where Caitlyn Clark went for forty five points
Speaker 2: ten assists. Kelsey Mitchell added thirty. So you think about,
Speaker 2: you know, one night you score a franchise record in
Speaker 2: terms of points in the pain, another night you have
Speaker 2: just four turnovers at home and you win neither of
Speaker 2: those games. Well, you got some statistical outliers for the
Speaker 2: Fever as well. Obviously mentioned the Kaitlin Clark Kelsey Mitchell duo,
Speaker 2: and in last night's game in Seattle, the Fever were
Speaker 2: twenty sixth of twenty six from the free throw line,
Speaker 2: and the record, by the way for most makes in
Speaker 2: a game without a miss is twenty seven. So that
Speaker 2: was nearly a WNBA record there. And there were large
Speaker 2: stretches of the game where you know, DEVI and I
Speaker 2: were kind of making the comments the difference in this
Speaker 2: game is the free throw shooting The difference in this
Speaker 2: game is the fact that the Fever are seventeen of
Speaker 2: seventeen and the Storm, you know, maybe at the time,
Speaker 2: we're eleven of eighteen or something like that. So when
Speaker 2: you go twenty six or twenty six from the foul line,
Speaker 2: it's hard to lose. When you go thirteen of twenty
Speaker 2: four from the foul line, it's hard to lose. When
Speaker 2: Kelsea Mitchell and Caitlin's Clark combined for sixty points, it's.
Speaker 4: Hard to lose.
Speaker 2: And the Fever got all of those things and found
Speaker 2: a way again last night and fourth straight game scoring
Speaker 2: one hundred points. That's a WNBA record, twelfth game this
Speaker 2: season scoring one hundred points. That's the WNBA records. And
Speaker 2: we're talking here at the end of July in a
Speaker 2: season that's going to go into September. So we're truly
Speaker 2: witnessing some historic historical aspects on the offensive end right now,
Speaker 2: as we've talked about on your show or so here lately.
Speaker 2: Where the defense ends up will probably go a very
Speaker 2: long way in determining what the sever team is capable of.
Speaker 2: But I think you can make a good taste at
Speaker 2: least through July that you are watching the best offense
Speaker 2: in the history of the WNBA.
Speaker 4: I would agree with you right there. Pat Boyler is
Speaker 4: with us.
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I mentioned they got to
Speaker 1: fire in Portland coming up on Friday night. And while
Speaker 1: the fire, you know at home, that's opposition. You've you've
Speaker 1: got to make sure that you maintain that. It's it's
Speaker 1: difficult for me not to look ahead to Sunday, and
Speaker 1: to me, that's going to be the ultimate gauge, especially
Speaker 1: the way that Minnesota team is playing right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, you know, and the Fever I think
Speaker 2: have done a really good job over the last four
Speaker 2: or five weeks of taking care of the take care
Speaker 2: of business games. You know, they're one loss here recently
Speaker 2: with Golden State is one of the top teams in
Speaker 2: the league. But you've taken care of the take care
Speaker 2: of business games lately, and this is, no question, one
Speaker 2: of them. And like Seattle, I mean, the Portland's tough,
Speaker 2: they're stingy to play good defense. It's a good home
Speaker 2: court environment. It's by no means a cake walk, it's
Speaker 2: by no means an easy game. But you look at
Speaker 2: it and you know, we'll wait to see on a
Speaker 2: Leah Bustin, which will go a long way and determining
Speaker 2: you know how you kind of analyze this one. But
Speaker 2: the Fever are the better team, There's no question about that.
Speaker 2: And so you know, can you continue to take care
Speaker 2: of business in these games against teams that are in
Speaker 2: the bottom half of the standings. You know, it's really
Speaker 2: interesting you look at the w NBA standings and they
Speaker 2: pretty much divided in half. The top eight teams have
Speaker 2: pretty much checked out on the bottom seven. Portland is
Speaker 2: ninth and a fifteen team league, but they're four and
Speaker 2: a half games behind eighth place Washington. So you know,
Speaker 2: this will be a challenging game. Road games, you know,
Speaker 2: in the WNBA and in the NBA almost always are.
Speaker 2: And can you continue to excel at the level that
Speaker 2: you have offensively? And if so, I mean, you know
Speaker 2: that's that's gonna be tough to beat for a Portland
Speaker 2: team that doesn't have you know, they're they're a brand
Speaker 2: new franchise, so they don't have a lot of big
Speaker 2: name scores or a lot of top level offensive talent.
Speaker 2: What they've been able to do is really impressive considering
Speaker 2: all of the circumstances. But they win by, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to make things stuff defensively. The Fever's last trip
Speaker 2: to Portland might have been their worst game of the season.
Speaker 2: They got down by twenty six, they lost by sixteen.
Speaker 2: So that was a long time ago. That was the
Speaker 2: end of May, and since then the Fever are fourteen
Speaker 2: and six, and since then Portland is five and thirteen.
Speaker 2: So absolutely keeping your focus on this game with the
Speaker 2: Minnesota game at the end of the trip. Vitally important
Speaker 2: that you don't look too far ahead because even if
Speaker 2: you could get Portland. This is me speaking, but if
Speaker 2: you could get Portland on Friday, even if you trip
Speaker 2: up in Minnesota, even if you don't win in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: I would look at a three game road trip where
Speaker 2: you go two and one as quite a successful one regardless.
Speaker 2: So we'll wait on the Leah Boston. You know, she
Speaker 2: went down. When it initially happened, you kind of held
Speaker 2: your breast. It was good to see her get back up.
Speaker 2: She took part of warmups before the third quarter. Ultimately
Speaker 2: didn't play, but you know, the hope would be that
Speaker 2: you avoided something major.
Speaker 5: Or long term with her.
Speaker 2: Whether that means she plays Friday or not, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and if you don't have her, you know, obviously trying
Speaker 2: to replace her is a significant challenge.
Speaker 5: So it'll be an interesting.
Speaker 2: One in Portland, no question here on Friday, and another
Speaker 2: late one that we appreciate everybody who shays up late
Speaker 2: watches with us on thhr w ALV and of course
Speaker 2: listens right here on one oh seven five.
Speaker 1: Hey Pat quickly, I know that you you obviously cover
Speaker 1: a great deal of the Pacers in game practice all that.
Speaker 1: Had you ever seen Tyree Saliburton do that East Bay
Speaker 1: dunk before he did it over the weekend?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't. I can't say I've ever seen
Speaker 2: him try, but I you know, that definitely kind of
Speaker 2: turned my head for sure, especially when you consider everything
Speaker 2: he's going through. And then the last time I actually
Speaker 2: saw him at least close up was right as the
Speaker 2: season was ending, and you know, he was going through
Speaker 2: all of those medical challenges, and just to see where
Speaker 2: he has advanced physically over the last few months, I
Speaker 2: think is really substantial and and been good to see.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, anytime anybody comes off with the
Speaker 2: type of injury that he has to see that video
Speaker 2: was pretty cool and as I think we've discussed. You know,
Speaker 2: I think there's a whole other aspect of the mental
Speaker 2: side and shaking off the rust, and he's gonna have
Speaker 2: sixteen months of rust or something like that. But from
Speaker 2: the physical side, that's where you know, he'll figure the
Speaker 2: mental side out. He's a smart guy, he's a tough
Speaker 2: basketball player. It's the physical side that obviously is going
Speaker 2: to go a long way and determining what kind of
Speaker 2: season he can have, what kind of career he can have.
Speaker 2: So as far as all that's concerned, the East Bay dunk,
Speaker 2: I consider one in the wind.
Speaker 1: Call him all right, Pat Boyling's got you covered. He's
Speaker 1: with the Fever. The voice of the Fever on the
Speaker 1: Andy Moore Auto Motive Group plot line. Thanks for making
Speaker 1: the time today, man. We'll check back in again soon.
Speaker 4: Pat.
Speaker 2: Of course, Jean's gonna chat with you as always.
Speaker 1: Pat Boiling on the Andy Moore Auto Motive Group plotline.
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen coming up at the top of the hour,
Speaker 1: quote it should get every player, every coach, every fan
Speaker 1: base hope, vision and belief that it can happen. Who
Speaker 1: said that regarding AU football? Well, answer that coming up,
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. Kevin bow On top of the hour,
Speaker 1: We've got State Fair passes also coming up. This is
Speaker 1: nainety three five and one oh seven five. The fans
Speaker 1: hit tight on the any More Automotive Group hotline, speaking
Speaker 1: of Holy Hill and more. Ah, he's alongside our good
Speaker 1: friend James Boyd in the Morning Fan Morning Show, which
Speaker 1: has been staked out for the past couple of days
Speaker 1: now and will be for the foreseeable future for the
Speaker 1: final time at Graham Park in Westfield for coach camp.
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen joins us, Now, does that surprise you at
Speaker 1: all that Barry Otam would frame that up in a
Speaker 1: quote the way that he did regarding the Boilermaker rival.
Speaker 5: No, I big have you had him on?
Speaker 4: Ye, John, I had I've had him on. I've had
Speaker 4: him on once before. The same with Signetty. I've had
Speaker 4: him on both once and that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think we had very on the time last year
Speaker 5: and then maybe back in the spring as well, and
Speaker 5: you know we have some something similar. And I think he.
Speaker 6: Handles the question quite well. I mean, yes, you have
Speaker 6: to acknowledge it and all of that. I'm sure there's
Speaker 6: a little bit of like I am I just am
Speaker 6: sick and tired of talking about my rival.
Speaker 5: But you know, welcome a little bit, I think to
Speaker 5: the reality of the situation.
Speaker 6: You know, obviously the UNLV James Madison saying, you know,
Speaker 6: maybe a slightly different you know, resource wise, you know,
Speaker 6: again where you at financially, Indiana Purdue, I don't believe
Speaker 6: they're on the same wrung, you know.
Speaker 5: From that aspect of it. So I think that's something
Speaker 5: you probably have to acknowledge too. But obviously a massive year.
Speaker 6: I mean last year, I guess they they they crawled,
Speaker 6: maybe they certainly weren't walking, but you know, Ryan Walters
Speaker 6: definitely had them in a very baby state when he
Speaker 6: took over there. So yeah, you got to get some
Speaker 6: big tun wins. I mean, the schedule still.
Speaker 5: Is really tough.
Speaker 6: I mean, Notre Dame in the non conference, I want
Speaker 6: to say, I think they still got wake force. Maybe,
Speaker 6: I mean they haven't gone the full you know, cake
Speaker 6: in the non conference like some other Big Ten teams
Speaker 6: have here, but certainly when they get in a conference play,
Speaker 6: they've got to a be more competitive across the slate
Speaker 6: and then be you got to finish a few of
Speaker 6: those off.
Speaker 1: Kurtin Signetti meets with the media by the way, coming
Speaker 1: up tomorrow and Zach Osterman, who is up there, will
Speaker 1: join us and we will converse about that on tomorrow, Shew.
Speaker 4: But Kevin Bowen is with us. So you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Crawling and hopefully walking and all that. How much of
Speaker 1: that analogy can you put to Daniel Jones right now
Speaker 1: in day number one coming back from that injury.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he definitely did more than he did
Speaker 5: in the spring. You know.
Speaker 6: Again, the eleven on eleven drills would be a clear
Speaker 6: step fourteh of all of them today during practice, and
Speaker 6: then he had i would say probably three or four
Speaker 6: specific play where he actually was in eleven on eleven
Speaker 6: moving out of the pocket throwing the football he had
Speaker 6: to scramble, which again that is something that the Folts
Speaker 6: weren't even really allowing him to do in the spring period.
Speaker 6: So again, positive steps in the right direction. You know,
Speaker 6: there was certainly right now the personnel that he has
Speaker 6: at wide out versus the corners he's going up against,
Speaker 6: it's really subpar. Frankly, and Shaveriausward and soft Gardner definitely
Speaker 6: showed that today. It was kind of a rough final
Speaker 6: period of work for the starting offense. But you know,
Speaker 6: if you're just looking at Jones individually for late July,
Speaker 6: Achilles rehab, all of it, I think you have to
Speaker 6: be pretty pleased with where he's at all.
Speaker 1: Right, you mentioned it too, and the clock is ticking
Speaker 1: on the getback of Alec Pearce, which is going to
Speaker 1: be incredibly necessary, because it seemed, as how you described
Speaker 1: it and others up there watching practice today, that the
Speaker 1: wide receiving group was somewhat swamped by those in the corner,
Speaker 1: whether it was Mooney or Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially again that that third and final team period
Speaker 6: it was Ayah Daniel Jones trut to throw on THEO
Speaker 6: I think it was the Kwan treadwell on the far
Speaker 6: side of the field, and Mooney ate that up.
Speaker 5: I thought he nearly picked it off and then out
Speaker 5: to the next.
Speaker 6: Player a couple of plays later that Josh downs lineup
Speaker 6: outside and again you're asking him to do some of that,
Speaker 6: and Sauce Gardner pretty much said the same thing, which
Speaker 6: you know, again, Sauce and Mooney are went out there,
Speaker 6: top flight corners in this league, and right now you're
Speaker 6: whiteout group.
Speaker 5: It's just it's just not that.
Speaker 6: And again you're asking the guy like Downs when he's
Speaker 6: not in the slot to do some things that were
Speaker 6: unsure of if he can do at the NFL level.
Speaker 6: So you certainly need Pierce back. It doesn't sound like
Speaker 6: he's coming back for at least a week or two.
Speaker 6: And then of course the old veteran for eagent and
Speaker 6: you know how much he was looked into that. I
Speaker 6: get you can scheme some things up with Shane psych
Speaker 6: and and you know, game planning on a Sunday allows
Speaker 6: Shane to you know, kind of you know, be at
Speaker 6: his best. And Tyler Warren definitely had a couple of
Speaker 6: nice moments early in practice.
Speaker 5: But it is a wide out group right now. That's
Speaker 5: I think leaves you wanting more.
Speaker 1: What surprises you more right now that they haven't brought
Speaker 1: anybody of significance in yet, or that former player Kenny
Speaker 1: Moore remains unsigned.
Speaker 6: That's a good one. Yeah, I guess you can make
Speaker 6: case for either. You know, I think anytime you get
Speaker 6: a veteran this time of year, it's kind of always curious, like,
Speaker 6: you know, a how is that veteran few things? You know,
Speaker 6: is that veteran saying, hey, I only have so much
Speaker 6: left in the tank. I you know, I don't necessarily
Speaker 6: want to be somewhere late July when you know, still
Speaker 6: a month and a half away from the start of
Speaker 6: the season. Does the veterans sit there and say, I'm
Speaker 6: waiting for the big injury? I mean, we see it
Speaker 6: everywhere around the league. Every position group has one or
Speaker 6: two of those during training camp. You know, are you
Speaker 6: kind of waiting for that?
Speaker 5: But as far as the Colts are concerned.
Speaker 6: You know, the question I wanted to ask us about
Speaker 6: on Tuesday was, you know, is Alex Pierce's status impacting
Speaker 6: your pursuit or in this case right now, the lack
Speaker 6: of the pursuit of the veteran white out because if
Speaker 6: you look at the offseason, John, they obviously lost you know,
Speaker 6: eight several notable Colts, but in Pittman's case, they really
Speaker 6: didn't replace him with anything of big time resource. You know,
Speaker 6: Nick wes Percakine a free agent signe, but again he's
Speaker 6: largely been a journeyman. They didn't draft a white out
Speaker 6: till take two fifty four in the draft, and Dion
Speaker 6: Burks is certainly not viewed like Michael Pittman junior, which
Speaker 6: again that is different from how they're trying to replace
Speaker 6: the sire Franklin or how they're trying to place Kenny Moore,
Speaker 6: or how they're trying to replace Nick Cross.
Speaker 5: I mean, you have some pretty frontline draft.
Speaker 6: Picks with all of those types defensively, and you don't
Speaker 6: really have that at white Out.
Speaker 5: So you know, it sounds like, based off what Ballard said,
Speaker 5: it's not as much of a Pierce injury situation.
Speaker 6: It's more to do with we want to see what
Speaker 6: the other guys can show us, So Ashton do one
Speaker 6: l lawn Treadwell, Nick, what's for Kakine? Come on down
Speaker 6: and you're gonna get great opportunity here early in camp,
Speaker 6: and it's your job to try and prove to the
Speaker 6: cults they.
Speaker 5: Don't need to go out there and get anybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and that and maybe maybe you're just kind
Speaker 4: of waiting.
Speaker 1: You mentioned what's left in the tank, and if it's somebody,
Speaker 1: for example, like Keenan Allen that has had a past
Speaker 1: with Shane Steichen and the application would not be as
Speaker 1: advanced as it might be with somebody else. Then we
Speaker 1: talked about contractually, how much money can you say by
Speaker 1: by waiting, And I'm sure there's probably something fixed in
Speaker 1: all this as to the reason why you haven't addressed it,
Speaker 1: because between you and I here, there's no way they're
Speaker 1: not going to have to There's this zero way.
Speaker 5: Right and again to me, like you have to acknowledge
Speaker 5: where where Pierce is out as well. If they're sitting
Speaker 5: on plenty of cap spates, and if you want to
Speaker 5: play the finances game, I get you might want to
Speaker 5: save a little bit for an extension or two. But still,
Speaker 5: I mean, they're on when the calebs can look it up.
Speaker 5: I don't know twenty five thirty million.
Speaker 6: Dollars in cap space right now, so you know whatever
Speaker 6: Keenan Allen would cost, whatever one of these veteran whiteouts
Speaker 6: would cost.
Speaker 1: They're running lean anyway, brother, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It just seems like that in a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of facets they're trying to run lean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And like I understand, there is an element of like, yes,
Speaker 6: I get Tyler Warren can help you out there. I
Speaker 6: get the Shane Sike and can kind of scheme some
Speaker 6: things up there.
Speaker 5: But you're just so.
Speaker 6: Dependent on pristine health with Peers down and Warrent. You know,
Speaker 6: if one of those guys were to go down. You know,
Speaker 6: you need to program if you're sitting there in section
Speaker 6: one fifteen six fifteen whatever, to know who's running out
Speaker 6: there at wide receiver.
Speaker 5: I said this in the spring, and I mean I
Speaker 5: kind of heard a few of my colleagues say it
Speaker 5: to me, and I shared the same sentiment today.
Speaker 6: You know, when you watch the receiver group run out
Speaker 6: there at the starting offense right now, you're a little
Speaker 6: caught off guards thinking, wait, that should be the second
Speaker 6: group of white outs. But no, I mean without Pierce
Speaker 6: right now, it's Josh down to those guys. So you know,
Speaker 6: again they're getting a great opportunity. But it makes me
Speaker 6: I would think a little uneasy to sleep at night.
Speaker 1: So thirty one millions in number you asked for, by
Speaker 1: the way, I am According to Kalem, it's funny. I
Speaker 1: look at Chris Ballard and I think it was you
Speaker 1: that asked the question yesterday that you know, No, I
Speaker 1: didn't you know he wouldn't sign the extension. I'm paraphrasing here,
Speaker 1: but at least what I gather is that he wouldn't
Speaker 1: sign it because he still has something to prove. He's
Speaker 1: got to win, which I kind of wonder how weird
Speaker 1: that is if a contract was actually offered to you.
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that it is, but if you were
Speaker 1: offered an extension and he wouldn't do it, that may
Speaker 1: be the most questionable move he's ever performed while here
Speaker 1: for ten years. To me at least, why would you
Speaker 1: not do that if it were offered so obviously to
Speaker 1: me it wasn't. The Other thing that's weird about this
Speaker 1: is you mentioned the cap room that they have and
Speaker 1: me saying that they're running lean. It's really odd considering
Speaker 1: the circumstances and how he phrased it to you yesterday, Hey,
Speaker 1: the time is now and not going all in in
Speaker 1: the moment. Why do you think that there's still very
Speaker 1: much running cost efficiently in what could be the final
Speaker 1: stand for him in when they have some money to
Speaker 1: burn and some situations you would like to increase the
Speaker 1: value of Why would they not be in? Is that
Speaker 1: something from ownership or is that just the way that
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard is still operating even under these circumstances.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a great point that you bring up.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know if you remember John Back.
Speaker 5: I think it was maybe right for.
Speaker 6: The Giraffe when Ballard had a press conference and he
Speaker 6: kind of got snippy with me about the salary cap
Speaker 6: when I asked him a cap related question, ironically very
Speaker 6: similar to what we're talking about right now in why
Speaker 6: are they sitting on so much of this cap?
Speaker 5: And you know, I think what he was getting at
Speaker 5: outside of the.
Speaker 6: Snark was, you know, it's more of a cash over
Speaker 6: cap and the cap being more of an accounting method.
Speaker 5: Type of deal here. So again, to me, that would
Speaker 5: be a little bit more top down organizationally that and
Speaker 5: probably more of an ownership thing.
Speaker 6: And they obviously shelved out a whole lot of money
Speaker 6: to Daniel Jones and Alex Pearce this off season. But
Speaker 6: I guess where I have some confusion is like that
Speaker 6: they clearly were ready to do something for Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 6: you know, something of you know, significant financial node.
Speaker 5: And you know, I remember when they signed Arden McKee.
Speaker 5: I probably said it to you. I certainly said it
Speaker 5: in the morning. You know, to me, the arden Key
Speaker 5: move needed to be a move, not the move at
Speaker 5: defensive end. Well, it ended up being the move.
Speaker 6: And if you were out at Grand Park today you
Speaker 6: saw what we saw in the spring, Arden Key taking
Speaker 6: the starting reps there, and it's not like they came
Speaker 6: back in the draft and then you know, they took
Speaker 6: a d end in round two or round three, and
Speaker 6: you know, and tried to find that, you know, they
Speaker 6: didn't draft one until George comes there in the middle
Speaker 6: round five and Kayden Curry in the middle round six.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't. It's it's a great question. It's
Speaker 5: a fair question. I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't really understand that because you know, to me,
Speaker 6: you know, when I hear higher sense of urgency back
Speaker 6: in January and then I watch how the next seven
Speaker 6: eight months of unfolded for the organization, I think I'm
Speaker 6: missing the urgent actions of you know where that occurred.
Speaker 6: You know, if you just did an addition subtraction game. Uh,
Speaker 6: it's a lot banking on in house development. It's a
Speaker 6: lot banking on you know, Rookie Frankly being you know,
Speaker 6: relatively incident and pat guys for you.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I don't have a great answer for you.
Speaker 4: There, keV Man. They do.
Speaker 1: They do a lot of things that would make you
Speaker 1: wonder what they're thinking about financially and what is the
Speaker 1: the ultimate of importance you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: we've all asked this before, nobody really truly knows, but
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things on and off the field,
Speaker 1: it kind of makes you wonder. I know, you're right
Speaker 1: they handed out money to a quarterback and a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but essentially you kind of had to I don't know
Speaker 1: what other alternative you had. You know, they made that deal,
Speaker 1: which you know, compromise the short in future, they probably
Speaker 1: would have started all over again had they not made
Speaker 1: that trade deadline deal for Sauce Gardener. So you're kind
Speaker 1: of soaking in it and you'd have to do it anyway,
Speaker 1: but they do it take some measures that that kind
Speaker 1: of make you wonder exactly financially what the thought is
Speaker 1: here and if the pocketbook is as wide open as
Speaker 1: they talked about it being.
Speaker 4: You know, prior to the passing, the unfortunate passing of
Speaker 4: Jim Mercy.
Speaker 5: Right and again last off season, John I did think
Speaker 5: we saw different, you know, Tavarius Ward and and you
Speaker 5: know cam bine him. But you know when when Mooney
Speaker 5: came on with View last spring, I mean he told
Speaker 5: you the story, yeah, that he thought he was going
Speaker 5: to be a saint, and that was kind of the
Speaker 5: hometown team.
Speaker 6: And then the Colts came in and sweetened the offer,
Speaker 6: and you know, that's very anti Colts, and so you
Speaker 6: know when I heard that, it was like, okay, this
Speaker 6: is different. You know, this is the Cults saying enough
Speaker 6: is enough. We need to do some things differently. Whether
Speaker 6: that's ownership, whether that's Ballard's nature. You know, maybe both
Speaker 6: of them go in hand in hand here, but that
Speaker 6: was clearly something different from them.
Speaker 5: But again, this all season you really didn't get that.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's certainly a bit head scratching. The financial
Speaker 6: questions I think are are fair. And you know, i'd
Speaker 6: something I asked Carli or say Gordon earlier in the
Speaker 6: off season. We just kind of met with you know,
Speaker 6: we'll do anything you know it takes to win.
Speaker 5: Or you know, however you want to phrase it. But
Speaker 5: I think that is a question that a lot of
Speaker 5: people do have organizationally, when you're ranking you know, maybe
Speaker 5: the thirty two respective ownership groups across the league.
Speaker 1: Yes, seems like there's at the very least right, it's
Speaker 1: mixed messaging if we're trying to read it, because you
Speaker 1: go forward its trade deadline, you know, you go forward
Speaker 1: in the moment with quarterback and ride receiver. But you
Speaker 1: still have glaring needs that clearly you could have and
Speaker 1: maybe even tried to address that you haven't thus sitting
Speaker 1: on you know, that that pot of gold, so to speak.
Speaker 4: Right now, it's just really odd. If nothing else well.
Speaker 5: And again a lot of something for me goes back
Speaker 5: to the Hendrickson thing.
Speaker 6: Like you know, I'm trying to think of like a
Speaker 6: proper analogy as we approached dinner time here, but like
Speaker 6: you know, call Trey Eddridson going to the downtown steakhouse. Well,
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're starving and for some reason all
Speaker 6: the downtown steakhouses are closed, you're you're still gonna find
Speaker 6: your way to stake and shake there the corner of
Speaker 6: you know whatever.
Speaker 5: Maryland and Illinois, I mean, you're you're you're still going
Speaker 5: to do something to satisfy your your hunger.
Speaker 6: And really, again they didn't do much at all at
Speaker 6: the senseive ent, and it puts, you know, ample pressure
Speaker 6: on Laud too, lots of you know, puts pressure onto
Speaker 6: four s bucks there, which you know that was obviously
Speaker 6: good news yesterday in regards to him, at least, you know,
Speaker 6: being able to practice here early in camp.
Speaker 5: So, uh, it was a.
Speaker 6: It was an off season I think for the Colts
Speaker 6: because calling it you know, I hear this fans, they've
Speaker 6: often labeled it run it back, run it back. I
Speaker 6: get where they're coming from because because there's not a
Speaker 6: lot of really new free agent faces.
Speaker 2: But it's also not.
Speaker 6: Really run it back because they've lost like seven starters
Speaker 6: that add up to more than five hundred starts.
Speaker 5: But again, how they've replaced them. It's just a lot of.
Speaker 6: Rookie class guys that they're gonna need day one, you know,
Speaker 6: impact from and or you.
Speaker 5: Know, in house development here. So yeah, I mean, we'll
Speaker 5: obviously see how it all plays out.
Speaker 1: Repping the Fan morning show, Kevin Mowen, he and James
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Speaker 1: coming up tomorrow morning, so we'll Querry and company basically
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Speaker 1: another weird one.
Speaker 4: Are you ready?
Speaker 1: And this listen much shocked by really anything anymore, But
Speaker 1: I thought that there was a lot more doom and
Speaker 1: gloom surrounding to Forrest Buckner all off season, and then
Speaker 1: I kind of wondered why yesterday with his dialogue You agree, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there was.
Speaker 5: Maybe a little bit like organizational protecting of him, and
Speaker 5: you know, neck.
Speaker 6: Injuries and nerves are generally uncertain, and so yeah, I
Speaker 6: think there was just kind of a tentative nature for
Speaker 6: you know what you're really committing, you know, to with him.
Speaker 5: At the timetable. Yeah. Again, I think that's why I
Speaker 5: said a few minutes ago, to me, that was a
Speaker 5: surprising good news.
Speaker 6: And I still think there is a little bit of
Speaker 6: an unknown to it. You know, they are definitely gonna
Speaker 6: eat him into this. And you know when you hear
Speaker 6: Buckner's words, I mean New Year's Eve surgery, he can't
Speaker 6: pick up a salar aged children.
Speaker 5: He's mentioned the need to possibly have to change his
Speaker 5: technique to play a position that he's played very well
Speaker 5: for a decade.
Speaker 6: I mean, you don't hear that coming off surgery, Like
Speaker 6: Alex Pearce is not going to be saying that whenever
Speaker 6: he gets back out there, or you know, insert your
Speaker 6: other guys that have had you know, surgeries here this.
Speaker 5: This off season, So yeah, I think it was a
Speaker 5: little bit of just kind of the nature of neck
Speaker 5: and nerve and all of that. You know.
Speaker 6: Buckner, of course, is a guy that frankly just hasn't
Speaker 6: missed really any time in his NFL career.
Speaker 5: But now it's a back and it's a neck and
Speaker 5: he's got to go to Panama on stem cell and
Speaker 5: you know, again a very serious surgery.
Speaker 6: So I think that's probably where some of that came from.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I was I was surprised to see. You know,
Speaker 6: he didn't do much today, to be clear, but still
Speaker 6: the fact.
Speaker 5: That he was out there and cleared is obviously a
Speaker 5: good son.
Speaker 4: Should the kicking battle get under way today.
Speaker 5: Nothing nothing, a lot of chicking battle.
Speaker 4: Where's my? Where's my? I'm a groupie, I'm a groupie, groupie,
Speaker 4: what's my? What's my? Little guy?
Speaker 5: He's got some swagger to him. Oh yeah, he's got
Speaker 5: a he's got some swagger to him, to say the least.
Speaker 4: He's got it. He's got a Napoleon complex like crazy,
Speaker 4: doesn't he.
Speaker 5: Yeah? He h yeah, he definitely uh, you know he uh,
Speaker 5: he definitely has a little bit of a Yeah, he
Speaker 5: doesn't act.
Speaker 4: Like you know, I like him, man, I liked a
Speaker 4: little dude. I like him. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Kickers, Yeah, kickers mentally give me the cockiest you know
Speaker 6: what all day long. You know, you get the old
Speaker 6: mental you know what at at at kicker, that's a
Speaker 6: disaster waiting to happen. So yeah, I mean they did
Speaker 6: in the spring, which again since or Trader is a
Speaker 6: month and a half ago, still coming back from the
Speaker 6: serious leg injury, but he did miss a couple of
Speaker 6: kicks in that spring session. The one thing to note,
Speaker 6: and I know it sounds weird because it's kicker, but
Speaker 6: they don't kick every day, you know, And so you
Speaker 6: got thirteen practices up here. My guess is they'll kick
Speaker 6: four or five times. So you know, when you do kick,
Speaker 6: I mean it carries a little bit more weight in
Speaker 6: your safety competition where you know, those are kind.
Speaker 5: Of daily battles there.
Speaker 6: So yeah, right now, I kind of like, uh like groupie.
Speaker 6: I mean, after what he did in Seattle last year,
Speaker 6: it's hard not to like. Granted the Trader didn't what
Speaker 6: he missed one kick. I think he did in his
Speaker 6: you know, five game, six game could sample sized last
Speaker 6: year too.
Speaker 4: Hey, if you have him on, I want him on.
Speaker 4: I would not try to take his Lucky Charms.
Speaker 5: Grouping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, magically delicious. Come on, do you get to yea yeah,
Speaker 1: because he kind of he's reminiscent of Lucky of Lucky Charms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I if I follow you there.
Speaker 1: If I referenced him as that, you think that he
Speaker 1: would would he embrace that nickname or reject it?
Speaker 5: Boy, I'm gonna guess that he's been asked enough size
Speaker 5: comments over his years on this earth. So I mean,
Speaker 5: that's that's That's quite the stretch there. I'm giving you credit.
Speaker 4: It takes a lot in attempting that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him Lucky. I think we need to
Speaker 1: have a kicker that's nicknamed lucky Lucky.
Speaker 5: You can call him a four letter word as long
Speaker 5: as the ball goes through the upright.
Speaker 4: There, right, no doubt.
Speaker 1: I do like the dude a lot though, And I
Speaker 1: agree with you on the whole swagger thing. And the
Speaker 1: problem is as a kicker, the swagger oftentimes or the
Speaker 1: confidence with those around you, is completely gone after one miss.
Speaker 4: That's really all it takes. One miss.
Speaker 5: Well again, I mean, he struggled in New Orleans earlier
Speaker 5: this see, earlier last year, and he'd been a you know,
Speaker 5: solid kicker through his first.
Speaker 6: Couple of years and then boom, you know, he was
Speaker 6: able to you know, kick at a super high level,
Speaker 6: you know once he once he got here.
Speaker 5: So you know the question I've asked myself, what would
Speaker 5: net Moore in a trade right now?
Speaker 6: The loser of the Colts Kickers competition or Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 5: I think it's actually a.
Speaker 4: That's even worse. That's worse of my lucky reference right there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's a fair and an utterly pathetic debate,
Speaker 6: But I actually think it's a good debate.
Speaker 5: What would net more in a trade around the league
Speaker 5: right now?
Speaker 1: Would that hurt your feelings? If Schrader is the odd
Speaker 1: man out because you're you're a Notre Dame guy, would
Speaker 1: you cry?
Speaker 4: Well something? I guess he's an er game guy too,
Speaker 4: I guess, so, I guess you're happy either way.
Speaker 6: I mean, Brian Mason coordinator, you got all all the
Speaker 6: Notre Dame dudes, so designs the product in Brian Mason.
Speaker 1: He's gone to his So no wonder you don't care, well,
Speaker 1: no wonder, you don't care. They're both Notre dame guys.
Speaker 1: And listen even more so with Lucky that makes complete sense.
Speaker 1: Now from Lucky Charms, I'm good. Ay he may, he may.
Speaker 1: I don't know if ever had my ass whip by
Speaker 1: somebody five foot five, but it may happen.
Speaker 5: Well save that for when you're out here to join practice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will.
Speaker 5: In person.
Speaker 1: Remember last year when I asked Kenny Moore about his
Speaker 1: medical situation and he said something about hippa and you
Speaker 1: shouldn't ask me that, and then the fan base just
Speaker 1: absolutely unloaded on me. They said he hates your guns,
Speaker 1: and then he had to get on He got on
Speaker 1: social media and said no, I don't hate him.
Speaker 4: We get along great.
Speaker 5: So that got awkward really real quick.
Speaker 4: It was really awkward.
Speaker 6: Yes, I had one of those with Michael Badgley last year.
Speaker 6: So remember Badsley was the kicker after Schrader, before Groupie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know Badsley comes in and that was
Speaker 5: one of those.
Speaker 6: Big kicker tryouts. You know, they had whatever seven or
Speaker 6: eight guys in here to tick and you know Badsley
Speaker 6: used to be cycles. So I'm kind of curious, like
Speaker 6: where have you been you know, what's it like, you know,
Speaker 6: being a kicker that kind of does these you know,
Speaker 6: Tuesday tryouts around the league and then you get the
Speaker 6: call and you win it and you could save your
Speaker 6: NFL career. So I asked Badsley where he's been kicking,
Speaker 6: and he got all snippy, thinking like I was asking
Speaker 6: him like his home address, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: geez man, No, I'm not trying to steal your Amazon
Speaker 6: packages here, I'm just trying to get a little.
Speaker 5: Color to the story.
Speaker 6: So yeah, let's just say maybe and when when with
Speaker 6: a kicker too, maybe didn't have as much sympathy for him.
Speaker 4: I am a groupie groupie right here. That's me groupy.
Speaker 5: Great, love it, I love it. Sign me up for that?
Speaker 4: Hey the Zone? Would you be down with that?
Speaker 1: Does this sound like something you'd be interested in if
Speaker 1: the Pacers end up with that that content provider this season?
Speaker 5: No, it sounds like an absolute ridiculous price point. What
Speaker 5: are twenty nine ninety nine?
Speaker 4: Can you imagine running people off with that price tag?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna do this in the Morning show tomorrow.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys have already done this,
Speaker 6: but just have Caleb, or you go through the prices
Speaker 6: for these streaming services, like when you start reading off
Speaker 6: the prices for Peacock or Amazon or Paramount Plus.
Speaker 5: I mean we're talking like fourteen dollars nine to ninety.
Speaker 6: Nine, maybe some close to twenty, and you're watching or
Speaker 6: you have the opportunity to watch many different things. Pacer
Speaker 6: fans are not wanting the Zone to watch Mortal Kombat
Speaker 6: stuff or Syria a soccer or whatever else. I enjoyed
Speaker 6: the Austin Karp listen earlier from you guys.
Speaker 5: It's just it's just awful by the league that it's
Speaker 5: come to this.
Speaker 6: And I really wish Wish TV or whatever, WGHR somebody
Speaker 6: locally would be the boat that we're going to go
Speaker 6: through here.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it doesn't sound like that's going to be happening.
Speaker 4: Does Zone. How much you guys spend a month for
Speaker 4: your content?
Speaker 5: We go, we got YouTube TV. We made the switch
Speaker 5: like four months.
Speaker 6: I was a cord guy for a long long time
Speaker 6: and I finally finally realized I should stop doing that.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, what's that eighty bucks a month? I think?
Speaker 5: And then we probably have I don't know, two or
Speaker 5: three of the others maybe three or four.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean one hundred and one hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty all and maybe so you know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: if you tack whatever, thirty four bucks on seven months
Speaker 6: of that, I mean, that's that's two hundred dollars that
Speaker 6: I mean, that's.
Speaker 5: More well over more than what I'm paying right now.
Speaker 1: I pay three hundred bucks a month for direct TV.
Speaker 1: I don't even get porn with that either.
Speaker 5: I was going to ask you if you got the
Speaker 5: triple ck on that, Well, no, but I do.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing.
Speaker 5: They could be filming those things at your house for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what they need to do
Speaker 4: right there. One of these days I might be begging
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, I just want this to
Speaker 1: be easy, and I want to go home and know
Speaker 1: that I hit a button and boom, there it is.
Speaker 1: If it's much more than that, and it's much more
Speaker 1: costly than that, you're going to run so many people
Speaker 1: away and it's going to be tough to get them back.
Speaker 1: And these are two very important season's coming up here
Speaker 1: for the Blue and Goal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree on that.
Speaker 6: And just the last thing I would add, John is
Speaker 6: I would feel so much better or whatever, swallow my
Speaker 6: pride in the situation if just the price point made sense.
Speaker 6: Like I get that we are streaming everything virtually in
Speaker 6: today's world of sports. I understand that, but thirty four
Speaker 6: to ninety nine, when you start to compare that to
Speaker 6: the other streaming services.
Speaker 4: Would it be cheaper to my season tickets?
Speaker 1: Would it be cheaper to my season tickets way up
Speaker 1: top or or at least a half season package today?
Speaker 4: I mean at least, yeah, some.
Speaker 5: Sort of package there, Yeah, I mean definitely on that
Speaker 5: front there. So yeah, to me, it's just a huge,
Speaker 5: huge bummer if this is the route and that's the
Speaker 5: price point that we go.
Speaker 6: And I feel for our guy, you know, I feel
Speaker 6: for Chris then and JJ and you know, obviously they're
Speaker 6: still going to have jobs, is my assumption, but still,
Speaker 6: you know, it shouldn't come off as a reflection on them,
Speaker 6: and they've been tossed around in this like no other,
Speaker 6: so I really feel for them.
Speaker 1: We are groupie groupies here on the Andy Morril Automotive
Speaker 1: Group plotline. Kevin Bowen to the Fan morning show here
Speaker 1: and James have you from Westfield coming up tomorrow morning?
Speaker 1: Starting to get seven, followed by Query and Company at
Speaker 1: ten o'clock once again. And I'll be out there on
Speaker 1: the twentieth of August. My only time out there, so
Speaker 1: the only time groupie's gonna have a chance to get
Speaker 1: after me is on the twentieth. Good luck, groupie, get.
Speaker 5: In your ass beat by a five sonn kicker.
Speaker 4: I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: Hey, hold on here a second, okay, pal, hold on,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna post him up, Buddy.
Speaker 4: Tell Maddie the family.
Speaker 5: I said, Hey, thanks John, I appreciate it.