Speaker 1: Does the mic sound any better than last week? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was just about to say that, Yeah it does. Okay, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: all right, a lot clearer? Cold? IM say something else?
Speaker 1: Something else?
Speaker 2: So may may want to turn it down a little bit.
Speaker 2: But that it sounds good.
Speaker 1: Though, sound better than Nick's? Damn damn Ken? Is that better?
Speaker 3: Nick?
Speaker 1: No? That's louder? Okay, hold on, I might just messing
Speaker 1: with messing with. Yeah, I was messing with Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that better? No? Now it's peaking?
Speaker 2: It was fine with yeah, God, damn it, man, I
Speaker 2: mean the volume thing is dead set in the middle.
Speaker 1: Turned a little bit more. See if you see if
Speaker 1: that makes a difference. How's that? That's that's fine? That
Speaker 1: you just gave up? It's not it's still peaking.
Speaker 2: Ship I sent that text earlier. Do I need to
Speaker 2: turn this gain thing down? I don't know what gain
Speaker 2: even is. Do I need to turn that down?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Shut up? Road?
Speaker 1: Is this any better or worse? It's getting better? How
Speaker 1: about now? Cool? That's good?
Speaker 4: Where are you gonna Yeah, where are you gonna sit?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit.
Speaker 5: So maybe need to turn it up a little Okay,
Speaker 5: So may need to turn it up a little bit
Speaker 5: because when you were leaning in to justin the game,
Speaker 5: you were further back.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, sure, yeah is that good?
Speaker 6: Yeah, say get back to your check check check check
Speaker 6: check check check check check.
Speaker 1: Turn it up a little bit more.
Speaker 6: Check check check check. Chack chack check chack chack chack
Speaker 6: chack chack chack chack.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. All right, cool, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: were good to go? Yep?
Speaker 3: Do I sound okay?
Speaker 7: Because I know I don't have my headphones today, my AirPods,
Speaker 7: so I just want to make sure I sound Okay.
Speaker 1: You sound good? N gonna cut you out, but yeah.
Speaker 8: Any already got on me to get myself prepared for
Speaker 8: next week.
Speaker 3: Sorry, you can use the mic for that's on the table,
Speaker 3: not on this computer. Don't have the attachment for this
Speaker 3: particular battip.
Speaker 5: Oh so you're just using the the computer multi computer.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well I don't want to a.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, okay, all right, all tracks are recording
Speaker 5: this week, so yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, line showing this time?
Speaker 1: Okay, what's going on in shipper? Nick?
Speaker 2: I am here with Kenneth Binge, Oh Spike Lou of
Speaker 2: the on Deck TV show, How you doing, sir?
Speaker 1: Doing good? Brother? How about yourself. I'm good, minus media.
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 3: Brother, I'm good?
Speaker 1: Man, How I'm good? I'm good, Mike c Town, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Hey?
Speaker 2: Hey, and we got the bad back together for it's
Speaker 2: been a long time. I think, Louis you said it's
Speaker 2: been a I don't know when we had a babe
Speaker 2: house at the Dragon reviews.
Speaker 1: But we have the wonderful misnaturally. Nate. How you doing,
Speaker 1: I'm wonderful.
Speaker 8: How are you, Nicholas?
Speaker 1: I am good.
Speaker 2: It's always good seeing you and I'm glad you're back
Speaker 2: because we are the Franks per Second Podcast, and we
Speaker 2: are continuing on with our weekly recaps of the hit
Speaker 2: HBO original series titled Euphoria, with this recap being dedicated
Speaker 2: to episode two well season three, episode two title America
Speaker 2: My Dream and Nay, we didn't get your thoughts last week.
Speaker 2: We didn't get your thought as far as your anticipation
Speaker 2: for this show as it's returning.
Speaker 1: So let's start off with you overall thoughts on.
Speaker 2: These first couple of episodes and just how you feeling
Speaker 2: about the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I was absolutely excited anticipated the season. I was really
Speaker 8: interested to see what they do with it, how they
Speaker 8: close it, out if it's actually a closer. Has it
Speaker 8: been confirmed this is like the last season?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it will be. It definitely will be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was the that was the rumor at first,
Speaker 2: but then I heard the other day that it wasn't confirmed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, So it.
Speaker 8: Feels like it should be the last season. But I
Speaker 8: haven't really curious to see how they handle this season,
Speaker 8: considering all all of the talk around it, all of
Speaker 8: the unfortunate deaths, all of the cast that is no
Speaker 8: longer or associated with, like Labyrinth not doing the music,
Speaker 8: and all the different things, Like I was really curious
Speaker 8: to see how this season was going to feel. I
Speaker 8: think episode one it was, it was fine. It was
Speaker 8: it feels like it was too soon to tell kind
Speaker 8: of because of all of the talk around it. So
Speaker 8: after watching Seat the first episode.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say I was underwhelmed.
Speaker 8: I was just like, Okay, but what's gonna happen next
Speaker 8: kind of thing. I really wished almost like they would
Speaker 8: have done, like dropped two episodes at a time at
Speaker 8: least for you know, to open it up for me
Speaker 8: to feel a little bit better about it. But after
Speaker 8: seeing episode two, I feel a little bit better about
Speaker 8: where they're going. It felt a little bit more. It
Speaker 8: felt like it had more direction. I don't think episode
Speaker 8: one had as much direction, or I didn't understand the
Speaker 8: direction as much as I did once I saw episode two.
Speaker 8: So episode two, I'm like starting to get back into it.
Speaker 8: So I feel I feel better about it after episode two.
Speaker 1: You feel the same way, Ron.
Speaker 7: Yeah, y'all know I liked episode one, So yeah, I
Speaker 7: feel like we're just slowly selling into the story, slowly,
Speaker 7: slowly establishing the characters again.
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, I like this.
Speaker 7: I like I like getting you know, more background on
Speaker 7: what Maddie's been doing. Obviously we got introduced to Jules
Speaker 7: this episode, seeing.
Speaker 3: You know, just the just the how the story is
Speaker 3: kind of evolving at this point.
Speaker 7: I think they're doing a good job with pacing right
Speaker 7: now in my opinion, Lou, what.
Speaker 1: Was your thoughts?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree with both of Nay and Rod. Settling back,
Speaker 9: settling back into this episode, it felt more like being
Speaker 9: in the Euphourial world. And maybe it's because we had
Speaker 9: that first episode. We got that out of the way,
Speaker 9: and uh, now we get to do some character building,
Speaker 9: We get more familiar faces and where they're longer with them,
Speaker 9: So yeah, I'm I'm here, Mike.
Speaker 1: Has this season improved already with the second episode for you? God? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was a This was a huge step up for
Speaker 1: me from last week.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even excited to watch this ship. I didn't
Speaker 2: watch it until midday today, and that's never been how
Speaker 2: I feel about Euphoria. But no, man, this was this
Speaker 2: was a whole lot better.
Speaker 1: Kay, what about you? It was okay? Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't too uh too hype about this one and
Speaker 5: ended I was like, Okay, onto the next one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was.
Speaker 2: This was a good episode. I think it's been on
Speaker 2: a steady The first episode. I feel like, again, like
Speaker 2: I mentioned, was like a palate cleanser to kind of
Speaker 2: get us ready for this time jump and everybody's in
Speaker 2: their new lives and this episode is just kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now we can get back to the U four your
Speaker 2: writing for this new section of their or new chapter
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. It wasn't great.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like anything that I felt was like spectacular.
Speaker 2: But I see it progressing. I feel like the season
Speaker 2: is going to be a slow build as far as
Speaker 2: like how we get to the climax of the finale,
Speaker 2: But it was overall good episode and I like how
Speaker 2: we started off of this episode with Maddie, you know,
Speaker 2: walking in this restaurant. We get to hear her narration
Speaker 2: or I think it's between Maddie or Rue. I don't
Speaker 2: know Zendaya us either as a narrator. But we get
Speaker 2: to see how she got into the entertainment industry that
Speaker 2: she's working for a woman who owns this entertainment company
Speaker 2: that represents stars called miss Penzer Pensler.
Speaker 1: Nay, what did you think.
Speaker 2: About how we start off this episode with Maddie post
Speaker 2: high school career in like an overview, Like it.
Speaker 8: Made sense with the character that Maddie was in high
Speaker 8: school and then her backstory, especially with her.
Speaker 3: Parents and her you know, kind.
Speaker 8: Of her her background because her parents were very much
Speaker 8: like it seemed like lower middle class parents working. I
Speaker 8: thought it was really interesting and I thought it fit
Speaker 8: who I could see Maddie coming into. Initially, I was
Speaker 8: kind of like when I when they had her in
Speaker 8: the first episode, I was like, you know, okay, cool story,
Speaker 8: she's in pr and the social media thing. Cool, But
Speaker 8: with the background, it makes it fits for her To me,
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily know if it makes me more interested
Speaker 8: in what she got.
Speaker 3: Going on yet, I don't know. I don't think so
Speaker 3: it made sense.
Speaker 2: Mike was was this an interesting storyline for to take
Speaker 2: off of Maddie.
Speaker 1: I think it. I agree with Nay.
Speaker 2: I think it does make sense, especially what we saw
Speaker 2: with her from last week or not last week, but
Speaker 2: last season where she was kind of the personal assistant
Speaker 2: to that rich white lady. So it kind of makes
Speaker 2: sense that this is what she would use to get
Speaker 2: into the industry. But I think overall they're just kind
Speaker 2: of using this to introduce her revenge plot against Cassie
Speaker 2: and maybe to kind of point out some details about
Speaker 2: sex work or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a fine
Speaker 2: storyline for for Maddie.
Speaker 1: So you think it is a revenge like she's on
Speaker 1: the she's looking to.
Speaker 2: Get back at Cassie and Nate. Oh you thought that
Speaker 2: they were that she was really just want to be friends. Nah,
Speaker 2: I just thought she was just going to I'm about
Speaker 2: to hit you with the rod. Wow, she just wanted
Speaker 2: I just I just thought that she she saw this
Speaker 2: as an opportunity because she lost out on the other
Speaker 2: opportunity to be on the come up with the other girl.
Speaker 2: She was like, I could just use my friend who
Speaker 2: doesn't know what she wants. She has a beautiful, you
Speaker 2: know look, but she don't know nothing.
Speaker 1: I think it's both.
Speaker 2: I think that she's gonna she's gonna use her for
Speaker 2: what she needs to use her for, and then she's
Speaker 2: gonna fucking sabotage their wedding, or she's gonna try to
Speaker 2: fuck Nate. She's gonna do something to get her back.
Speaker 2: But it's not it's not pure intentions in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form.
Speaker 1: And Rod, you shut your head in agreement.
Speaker 7: I was just about to say the same thing, it's both,
Speaker 7: But I also was gonna say it's both in the
Speaker 7: sense of, like, I think she genuinely wanted to, you know,
Speaker 7: do the social media marketing thing, branding thing, but when
Speaker 7: you know that got turned down after you know, the
Speaker 7: boss kind of shut all that down and then Cassie
Speaker 7: kind of reopened it back up. Yeah, I think she's
Speaker 7: about to be on the on the re branch tour
Speaker 7: and use that to tear Cassie down. So now this
Speaker 7: is a very very interesting story, very very interesting storyline.
Speaker 1: I just thought of something.
Speaker 2: So, because I only watched the episode once, did I
Speaker 2: miss where she's gonna make this work in the way
Speaker 2: that the other girl did not work because the boss
Speaker 2: was mad that the other girl was almost doing porn? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Cassie is not quite as bad, but it's damn
Speaker 2: near as bad.
Speaker 1: So did they say how she's going to make this work? Girl?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Say what?
Speaker 8: I feel like Cassie's worse than the original girl because
Speaker 8: she's willing to go new She's willing to do all
Speaker 8: of the things that the other girl wasn't.
Speaker 1: True. Yeah, So I think I.
Speaker 8: Don't think they said, because I've watched it twice now,
Speaker 8: I don't think they've explicitly said that she's going to
Speaker 8: make She hasn't come out her mouth and said she's
Speaker 8: going to replace what she had with Cassie. I just
Speaker 8: think it's implied, like because we saw her miss that opportunity,
Speaker 8: she now sees the opportunity because she did make the
Speaker 8: statement that Cassie is like prime because she doesn't know
Speaker 8: who she is. She doesn't she'll go as far as
Speaker 8: you let her, So she's kind of like a perfect puppet, Michae.
Speaker 3: Are you asking is it gonna be how she's gonna
Speaker 3: get away with it with the agency?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the agent. So maybe maybe sorry, I probably
Speaker 2: wasn't clear. Maybe it's a matter of the agency. Lady
Speaker 2: was primarily only mad because she was hooking up the
Speaker 2: only fans model with the actor that she's representing, So
Speaker 2: maybe that's the conflict.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's what I thought it was too. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: thanks Spike.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's gonna add I'm the only dumb ask that
Speaker 2: didn't catch that.
Speaker 9: I just wanted to make sure I won't want to stay.
Speaker 2: Now, Lou, what did you think of Maddie's like her expertise,
Speaker 2: because we see her with two clients like Dylan read
Speaker 2: or potentially two clients but and read aint Caitlyn. How
Speaker 2: did you feel like how she handled that and she's
Speaker 2: making her way through LA.
Speaker 9: I think they're presenting it as she's good at her job,
Speaker 9: but I don't really I don't know if I believe
Speaker 9: it yet, Like Maddie don't like her her walking in
Speaker 9: there and getting the jobs just by she answered the
Speaker 9: lady phone like anybody like to do that. So I
Speaker 9: think they took a big leap for us to be
Speaker 9: able to believe that Maddie's like a beast like this. However,
Speaker 9: they are presenting it that way, and I ain't mad
Speaker 9: at it. It does make the story more interesting. I wouldn't
Speaker 9: want to see her like out here, like struggling and
Speaker 9: not having just wandering around like Ruth. So yeah, I
Speaker 9: think it asked to the storyline, and I am interested
Speaker 9: to see how she gonna twist up Sydney Sweeney character.
Speaker 9: I know it's coming, as all of y'all said, but yeah,
Speaker 9: I want to see how she plays it.
Speaker 2: Can for your uh are your messy meter? What's what's
Speaker 2: this situation?
Speaker 1: Turned out?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's up? From scale of one to ten? Man, what
Speaker 1: do you think is gonna be?
Speaker 5: I didn't think anything about a revenge at all. I
Speaker 5: thought this was just Cassie was presenting an opportunity to
Speaker 5: do something she wasn't able to do with the other girl,
Speaker 5: and she was gonna basically take her under her wing
Speaker 5: and do that, so to speak, since old girls shut the.
Speaker 1: Other one down.
Speaker 4: So that's what I thought this was more about.
Speaker 5: It was just the opportunity for her to do this
Speaker 5: thing that she wasn't able to do with the other one.
Speaker 3: It says it in the narration.
Speaker 7: Ruth says it that she's gonna that she's taking it
Speaker 7: as an opportunity.
Speaker 1: To get back at her. Yeah, okay, are y'all surprised
Speaker 1: that she's still upset?
Speaker 2: No, I'm surprised she didn't get her sooner. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been a minute though, it don't matter.
Speaker 1: Should have been on site. Ye.
Speaker 8: What we mean by revenge exactly like what exactly me saying,
Speaker 8: because I kind of feel king even though it's said
Speaker 8: and this implied, right, I don't see Maddie like really
Speaker 8: really doing no get back unless she's able to capitalize
Speaker 8: off of it. So the get back maybe I'm gonna
Speaker 8: have your girl out here fucking for dollars are only
Speaker 8: fans and break up your marriage that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, when I say revenge, I'm.
Speaker 3: Okay, so sure.
Speaker 8: But to me, I don't see that as revenge as
Speaker 8: much as Maddie capitalizing on an opportunity regardless of who
Speaker 8: it is.
Speaker 1: That's what I would see. It's both. Yeah, I'm with
Speaker 1: Robert's both. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I think she when I say revenge, I think she's
Speaker 9: looking to exploit Cassie Moore like she I'm thinking she's
Speaker 9: going to try to exploit her almost to the point
Speaker 9: of embarrassment her and Nate.
Speaker 1: I can see that too, yep.
Speaker 5: And the other thing that I was and and the
Speaker 5: other thing I was thinking as it went on, because
Speaker 5: we saw Nate was in a lot of financial issues,
Speaker 5: kind of adding on to or taking what Mike said
Speaker 5: last week about you know, uh, girl power, independent power,
Speaker 5: how we framed it.
Speaker 1: Girl boss can get it right, girl boss. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I gotta get in touch Byke you know. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: working on it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But you know, Cassie, Cassie is is she needs money,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's why she got rid of the
Speaker 5: other girl because she stable job with Wenceler. Nate needs
Speaker 5: money and in this only fans world, you can make
Speaker 5: a lot of money and Cassie will be able to
Speaker 5: provide that because he has to pay somebody one hundred
Speaker 5: thousand dollars, you know, five hundred that's what I was.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he needed one hundred thousand. Oh sorry, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: but you're right. The total is five hundred.
Speaker 3: Thousand by next week.
Speaker 1: Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yeah, we're gonna get to the Nate part
Speaker 2: of this episode.
Speaker 1: But uh, jumping a little bit.
Speaker 2: After this scene we see Rue is you know, with
Speaker 2: Alamo and he's shooting discs, you know, at the back
Speaker 2: of his porch with a shotgun. Nay, we didn't get
Speaker 2: your thoughts on Alamo, So I'm just gonna ask you
Speaker 2: straight up, what did you think about him this episode?
Speaker 3: I like at a b C.
Speaker 8: You watched us to Yeah, yeah, that's always gonna be
Speaker 8: ad a b C to me.
Speaker 1: No, So.
Speaker 3: I liked him a whole lot more of this episode.
Speaker 3: I liked him initially.
Speaker 8: I liked him as a million more so than I
Speaker 8: think I like Laurie. They got her name, Yeah, lady.
Speaker 8: I think I like him as a villain a lot better.
Speaker 8: I feel like there's a little bit more complexity there.
Speaker 8: I am interested to see what who who him and
Speaker 8: his like group actually are.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: I'm actually interested in.
Speaker 8: Those characters more so than I am the characters of
Speaker 8: Laurie's Little gang. I don't really care about the hill
Speaker 8: Billy bunch, but not like especially the second episode. Now,
Speaker 8: I like Atabci because he's like, you know, he's a villain,
Speaker 8: but maybe he got some good in him, but maybe
Speaker 8: he don't.
Speaker 10: I don't know ya yota strip and he let a
Speaker 10: strip know he's a he's a bad guy day.
Speaker 1: But nay, real.
Speaker 2: Quick, you mentioned something that I want you and the
Speaker 2: others to answer if y'all want to. Did y'all feel
Speaker 2: like this was like an easy hop tata to, like,
Speaker 2: let's get rid of the story the Lori storyline is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it ain't really it ain't really that interesting
Speaker 2: now that we have an episode already in it and
Speaker 2: we can kind of move on because we have a new,
Speaker 2: more interesting character.
Speaker 1: Like to your point, nay that Alamo is more interesting
Speaker 1: than Lori.
Speaker 2: Did y'all feel like this whole the beginning of this
Speaker 2: episode in their situation as far as how he has
Speaker 2: routworking at the strip club.
Speaker 1: Was that a very easy like I'm just keeping her
Speaker 1: and that's it.
Speaker 2: Or did y'all think that was actually a good device
Speaker 2: to kind of get her back in this world.
Speaker 8: I think it's going to cause tension because I don't
Speaker 8: think we're done with Luri yet. Like by the end
Speaker 8: of the episode, we see that there's still like there's
Speaker 8: still gonna be interactions. So I think the Lori at
Speaker 8: a BC is the tension of the season, So trying
Speaker 8: and then figuring out and then rules like the escapegoat
Speaker 8: in the middle, So how does because they're essentially fighting
Speaker 8: over her, So how does that end up playing out?
Speaker 8: So I don't necessarily think it's like a hot potato
Speaker 8: like from one bad guy to another.
Speaker 3: I think now we have the tension of two bad guys.
Speaker 1: Gosh, you agree, Mike one hundred percent. We're seeing.
Speaker 2: We're seeing Marlow versus Avon right now, and I think
Speaker 2: that's what's gonna play out the rest of the season, hopefully, Nick,
Speaker 2: you got that reference now, I was I was gonna
Speaker 2: ask you who's Marlow? Who's a No, No, I don't
Speaker 2: know who they are. I know they from the Wire.
Speaker 2: I'm saying which one. Thank you, jeez, e Bro, I
Speaker 2: watched the Wire.
Speaker 1: I gotta give you more credit. I'm just saying between
Speaker 1: and who's think I think Alamo.
Speaker 2: I think Alamo is Marlowe because Marlowe came in we
Speaker 2: kind of thought he was the cool, good guy sort of,
Speaker 2: and then he just took over and Laurie has been
Speaker 2: established as the bad guy, which so was Avon. So
Speaker 2: I think that that's what's going on because personally, I
Speaker 2: hate to burst Nay's bubble. I don't think anything's good
Speaker 2: about album. I think he's a fucking after that scene
Speaker 2: where they dropped off that woman at the clinic, he's
Speaker 2: a human trafficker. That is one hundred percent of human trafficking.
Speaker 1: What do you call it? Like a front? So no,
Speaker 1: he's he's a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: I do like him now though I like me last week,
Speaker 1: but we.
Speaker 8: Also Yeah, but it's like Ruth feels like she's got
Speaker 8: a little bit more freedom with him, and Ruth like that.
Speaker 8: Ruth feels she feels like she's got something. So I
Speaker 8: do agree that he probably is worse than Murie, but
Speaker 8: he he's good at fronting it though now you.
Speaker 3: Even saying it herself like she felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: in order to get out.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah she knows. And that was that was Dwayne
Speaker 2: Wayne right. I meant to look it up.
Speaker 3: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: You didn't get that, Oh I didn't catch the flip
Speaker 1: of the glasses. I'm just not getting that. I'm just
Speaker 1: not getting that.
Speaker 11: And this is.
Speaker 2: Him him as the they's like second time working together
Speaker 2: because they was on Disney Channel.
Speaker 8: Her dad, So I think I thought that was really
Speaker 8: interesting because it is like, even their interaction, it feels
Speaker 8: kind of like.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, so I was like, I just liked that
Speaker 2: they still had chemistry that just show they're acting like
Speaker 2: they just like once I seen him, I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what they get into together.
Speaker 3: It did feel really natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about their work together before, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I did feel natural.
Speaker 1: That was cool.
Speaker 2: Lou What did you think about seeing how what Alamo
Speaker 2: was like this episode.
Speaker 9: You asked could have been easier? I wish it had
Speaker 9: been easy, to be honest with you, I'm I think
Speaker 9: they said it. I don't like Laurie at all, Like
Speaker 9: she's not interested in me. I wish it had have
Speaker 9: been like.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you can keep and we never heard from
Speaker 1: Laurie again, damn.
Speaker 9: Because I do think that that's speaking to your other question,
Speaker 9: how much I like Animal. I think that he's he
Speaker 9: has the presence enough in this series to be the villain.
Speaker 1: He don't got to share with Laurie.
Speaker 9: I don't think we need two villains again, because I'm
Speaker 9: just not interested in anybody over on that side, not
Speaker 9: even the white girl with the big lips. Like only like,
Speaker 9: none of that's interesting to me anymore, like she used
Speaker 9: to She was more interested when she was with but.
Speaker 1: I learned that ship was so good.
Speaker 11: So what's crazy?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 11: I was thinking that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I knew it? She said it was
Speaker 1: a big should Yeah, I like lot quick question. That
Speaker 1: was the only thing he noticed about her this episode.
Speaker 12: He knows them cheeks, them cheeks bouncing, Nick, don't let
Speaker 12: don't let lou out of you, Nick.
Speaker 1: He noticed he noticed that meat bouncing Nick a lot.
Speaker 1: You know those two things.
Speaker 10: That's the one thing you want to call out there.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do that to the audience. You a lot.
Speaker 1: You forgot about it. He's been dreaming about it all day.
Speaker 1: What here?
Speaker 2: When we see Rue get promoted and now she's working
Speaker 2: at one of the Alamo's strip clubs. This is how
Speaker 2: we get introduced to Dwayne. Wayne's character, Big Eddie. What
Speaker 2: did you think about him in this space with her?
Speaker 2: Because he seems like he's one of those guys who like,
Speaker 2: like how you kind of talked about this episode.
Speaker 1: He used to do a lot of bad. Now he's
Speaker 1: trying to be like, this.
Speaker 2: Is a stable job for me that allows me to
Speaker 2: you know, not have to do a background check. What
Speaker 2: do you think he's gonna play this? He going to
Speaker 2: be like a good person in this hell hole essentially.
Speaker 4: It seems that way, especially if he got that shoe
Speaker 4: thrown at him, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I was surprised that he just like palled
Speaker 2: her and says like, you need to handle this because
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So because I thought, you know, because he was talking,
Speaker 5: he was talking a lot of ship and I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 5: she don't she done?
Speaker 1: Did it now?
Speaker 5: And then we just see him with tissue in his nose.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, Okay, well that's interesting. So it seems
Speaker 5: like he is going to kind of be like a
Speaker 5: vet in this space and help kind of god rule
Speaker 5: as a as a newbie into this space and how
Speaker 5: to move and operate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: He may end up dying for it, though. Somebody gonna
Speaker 2: die this season. I don't know who it is, little,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be at least two people. And that's
Speaker 2: just from the club itself. But staying in there, we
Speaker 2: also get like rude kind of narrating about her life
Speaker 2: a little bit in a like pretty quickly overviewed, like
Speaker 2: what's been happening with her since since high school? Where
Speaker 2: she is still on and off drugs, She's still messing
Speaker 2: with Jules, and her mom is essentially has distanced herself
Speaker 2: from her sister. What do y'all feel about Rui's like,
Speaker 2: because I bring it up because we're gonna go into
Speaker 2: the scene with her an angel, But like, is she
Speaker 2: heavily on drugs because she talked about being California sober?
Speaker 1: Like is it a functioning rule?
Speaker 2: Like, Mike, I know you said when she was on drugs,
Speaker 2: she was up to anything, and when she's sober, she's
Speaker 2: actually really more like intelligent. But I feel like she's
Speaker 2: like bouncing in and out. I think the fact that
Speaker 2: she is California sober makes the first episode make a
Speaker 2: lot more sense because I think what was annoying me
Speaker 2: so much was the fact that they did not reveal
Speaker 2: that she had relapsed. So I was just like, she's
Speaker 2: just doing stupid shit. But now that I know that,
Speaker 2: you know, she's smoking a bunch of weed, she's drinking,
Speaker 2: the fact that she got the car stuck on the
Speaker 2: top of the fence makes more sense. But sorry, wait, sorry, Nick,
Speaker 2: what was the question you actually asked. I was just
Speaker 2: asking like what you were kind of going off of,
Speaker 2: like what is her state of mind? And she like,
Speaker 2: is she like one like relapse away again or is
Speaker 2: she kind of more like I found a balance and
Speaker 2: I could move like this have a I have an
Speaker 2: idea about that that I want to run by y'all,
Speaker 2: but it's it's way later in the episode. But I
Speaker 2: think that she's in that middle ground where she can
Speaker 2: function properly, but she's just one step away from from
Speaker 2: fucking up again.
Speaker 1: M feel the same ride.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with Mike.
Speaker 7: I do like that they explain, even though I gave
Speaker 7: it grace last time, I do like they did. They
Speaker 7: explain that she's California sober and that's how she was, like,
Speaker 7: you know, basically a functioning uh attic at this point.
Speaker 3: And the other part of your question was what it was.
Speaker 1: Just more about, like where do you think her state
Speaker 1: of mind is?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like her acting like I feel like
Speaker 2: she has picked up right where she left off with
Speaker 2: this character, but I don't know what side of that
Speaker 2: character were seeing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is like like Mica, I think me
Speaker 2: and Mike h gree she's a functioning addict, but that
Speaker 2: addict is still a part of him. It's like she's
Speaker 2: one step away from fucking a lot of shit up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 7: Like she's just kind of figuring it out right like
Speaker 7: like that, Like that they showed that she tried to
Speaker 7: go back home, but obviously they like, nah, you can't
Speaker 7: come back here. It's been detrimental to this family. So
Speaker 7: she's been just kind of trying to figure it out.
Speaker 7: And that's why we see like she's into all of
Speaker 7: this stuff, like you know what I'm saying, still get
Speaker 7: caught up with LORI now caught up with Alamo. So
Speaker 7: it makes that whole storyline makes sense, even even the
Speaker 7: whole like how she's into the other girls or whatever.
Speaker 3: You feel some top of way about route, Like I think.
Speaker 7: They did a good job of re establishing where Root
Speaker 7: is in her life right now.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the girls, she's getting real close with the
Speaker 2: with the dancers loop, especially with one Agel.
Speaker 1: Because we hear back to the strip club.
Speaker 2: We see that she's seen one of the dancers, but
Speaker 2: her angel is was friends with Tish, and she's asking
Speaker 2: a lot of questions, lou what did you think about
Speaker 2: Angel this episode and her asking all these questions and
Speaker 2: just how her character, her character art.
Speaker 9: I think it makes sense for where I suspect that
Speaker 9: they're going to. I think the Rule's gonna need a reason,
Speaker 9: and she gonna be Angel's gonna be rules reason later
Speaker 9: on in the season. And this was a good episode
Speaker 9: of them building their relationship together, like showing the little
Speaker 9: bond and Rude got with her and did even later
Speaker 9: on we'll get into what she told her, like I
Speaker 9: think that relationship is going to mean a lot to Rule,
Speaker 9: and then to Mike's point, when Rue find out where
Speaker 9: she took her to, it's gonna be a divisive point
Speaker 9: in the season later on.
Speaker 7: I think I really hope they didn't get rid of
Speaker 7: Angel yet, because she was a great character, a new
Speaker 7: character to the story.
Speaker 11: Like you said, he.
Speaker 1: I like her, but she's gone. Bronte cigarette gave it away.
Speaker 1: Dude smoking a cigarette out there, gave it away. I believe.
Speaker 9: When they paying, even I know the nurse didn't care
Speaker 9: about anything like that, but when they left out of there,
Speaker 9: they're paying to a guy like he it appeared he
Speaker 9: had been waiting on her to get there.
Speaker 2: He's watching Rue. I don't think he's waiting on Angel.
Speaker 2: I think he's watching.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: Angel last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really I thought, because.
Speaker 2: Why would he why would he care that much? Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Actually, you know, I guess what you're
Speaker 2: saying makes sense to I don't know. Am I the
Speaker 2: only one who think that Angel just dead? Like it
Speaker 2: wasn't no sex travelers?
Speaker 1: Like he killed her?
Speaker 5: I was thinking, well, not I but my wife said
Speaker 5: that she might be dead and the fingernails on the
Speaker 5: nurse were all dirty and ship like that, so that
Speaker 5: she might be out of there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cause they ain't need no paperwork or nothing.
Speaker 9: Oh man, Yeah, so yeah, I could understand that because
Speaker 9: if they traffied her, she could still tell people what
Speaker 9: she know about the other girl, Right, what does it not?
Speaker 4: Even they didn't know, they don't know that that Ruth
Speaker 4: told her the truth.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think Ruth had to tell her.
Speaker 1: That's the only way he would let her leave. Rude
Speaker 1: told her, But I don't think what's his name? I
Speaker 1: think Rude told Alamo. I think she told Alamo's who.
Speaker 1: The only thing I don't think she oh sorry, she
Speaker 1: told her.
Speaker 4: Wait, you so you're saying you think that once Ruth
Speaker 4: told Angel.
Speaker 5: Ruth also then told Alamo that she told Angels the
Speaker 5: truth about Tish.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think she told her. I think she
Speaker 1: did that so she could get him to say yes
Speaker 1: to rehab.
Speaker 2: Nah, he would have just killed her. He would have
Speaker 2: killed her right here.
Speaker 1: And that's why he still won't. He still won't Rude
Speaker 1: to work for him though, and he wouldn't know he know,
Speaker 1: Ru would't let her do that. No, he's not. I
Speaker 1: mean he's not.
Speaker 2: He's not sweat and roue like that bro. Like, he's
Speaker 2: not gonna let Rue fuck up his entire operation. If
Speaker 2: the story of him killing that one girl got out,
Speaker 2: that fucks everything up. He does not care about Rue
Speaker 2: enough to risk that. But that's also why I don't
Speaker 2: think that Angel's dead. It's like, why take her to this,
Speaker 2: to this facility, this front building.
Speaker 1: And drop her off.
Speaker 2: Just take her in the back, shoot her in the
Speaker 2: head and burn her body.
Speaker 3: Wa Wait, so you don't think she's dead.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's dead. I just think she's gone.
Speaker 2: I don't I think that they don't shift her off
Speaker 2: to fucking I don't know where where are they Sex Traffic,
Speaker 2: Brazil or some shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: They shipped her off somewhere, but I don't think we're
Speaker 2: gonna see her again.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't do such sex trafficking bullshit, bullshit.
Speaker 2: I think this whole operation is a sex trafficking ring
Speaker 2: at I originally thought that he was just a pimp,
Speaker 2: but I was like, that's a little boring for this show.
Speaker 2: If he's just a pimp, It's like, how much power
Speaker 2: can you really have?
Speaker 3: You're right, because you was just like, Laurie must have
Speaker 3: forgot how she got into.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, Laurie might have been a hole at some point,
Speaker 2: but I don't think she was like a standard hole.
Speaker 1: That makes that also makes sense when Laurie was like.
Speaker 2: That also makes sense that Laurie was like and now,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this line when she
Speaker 2: was saying that it seems like you always end up
Speaker 2: in a situation with a young girl or something like that. Oh,
Speaker 2: she did say, so that's how that could have been
Speaker 2: her experience.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: And you want to remember, Laurie got into the thing
Speaker 8: because she she got strung out right, So she used
Speaker 8: to be a drug add it and and somehow got
Speaker 8: into a position where she was able to become, you know,
Speaker 8: in some bit of a and have a bit of power.
Speaker 3: So I agree.
Speaker 8: I think I think Angel is traffic because she ultimately
Speaker 8: became too strong out and too too out there to.
Speaker 3: Function as a stripper.
Speaker 8: So they're just going to ship her to where else
Speaker 8: she can be functional, as you know, in the state
Speaker 8: she's in.
Speaker 1: But was it was it a mistake for Rule to
Speaker 1: tell her that her friend odeed?
Speaker 8: I mean, in the grand scheme of things, probably, so
Speaker 8: she didn't say so the way she said it, she
Speaker 8: didn't necessarily imply.
Speaker 3: That Alamo did it. You don't know what she don't
Speaker 3: necessarily know where she od right.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, angels smart enough I think
Speaker 8: to put two and two together, because they keep.
Speaker 3: Hiding it, like nobody's telling her. Why aren't they telling her?
Speaker 8: So I think Ruth told her just enough to get
Speaker 8: her mind going, which is another reason why they got
Speaker 8: kind of got to get her out there.
Speaker 3: But I don't Ruth should have kept her mouth shut.
Speaker 3: She should have she.
Speaker 1: Fell back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like I said, I understand why, because she had
Speaker 8: this bomb with this girl. I understand why she said it.
Speaker 8: But in the grand scheme of Rude's situation.
Speaker 1: She should have kept her mouth shut, definitely.
Speaker 2: And I don't think she told Alamo because I think
Speaker 2: Alamo would have got rid of Route too.
Speaker 3: It's no way she did. She's not that stupid.
Speaker 1: What was you about to say, Lou.
Speaker 9: I think she told her because she empathized with her,
Speaker 9: Like she said she had lost friends that odeed and
Speaker 9: stuff like that. So I thought it was more so
Speaker 9: that than even her relationship with Because even how matter
Speaker 9: of fact she told her, I think she was thinking, like.
Speaker 1: If this was me, I would have wanted somebody to
Speaker 1: tell me. Yeah, she sees herself in her.
Speaker 11: More ways than one. Oh my god, I can't speaking
Speaker 11: of that can the best?
Speaker 2: The best part of this One of the best scenes
Speaker 2: of this episode was with Alamo, Marsha, Lenz and Bishop was.
Speaker 13: Just talking ship and calling up Laurie and how that Few.
Speaker 13: Basically we saw the origin stories of what they do.
Speaker 13: Few That's gonna be about. What did you think of
Speaker 13: that conversation?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 5: I was like, he got more offended at being called
Speaker 5: a pig than a nigger, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: And then they went.
Speaker 5: Ahead and described the reasons why, and we saw Rue
Speaker 5: was actually out there in a pig pin falling all
Speaker 5: over the place.
Speaker 1: So but Marshall Lynch was it was funny when he
Speaker 1: walked off.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, but nah, no, no, no, it's it's
Speaker 4: it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 5: But I think when you guys were talking about it earlier,
Speaker 5: I was, I'm in the camp of get rid of Laurie.
Speaker 4: We don't need her, We're fine.
Speaker 5: I thought that once he said you killed one of
Speaker 5: my bitch, I'm gonna take one of yours, that it
Speaker 5: was gonna be the end of Lord. And I didn't laugh,
Speaker 5: and she said you're you're you're a fucking pig. I'm like,
Speaker 5: that's that's the best you got, Like what like you
Speaker 5: just don't know how to cut some mother out, But.
Speaker 1: Think the pig coming. But I think she knew that
Speaker 1: they would get to him.
Speaker 9: I think it got to him because of everything that
Speaker 9: y'all was just saying about him and the sex trafficking
Speaker 9: and being like a dirty human being in the sense
Speaker 9: of Laurie know him for real. And I think her
Speaker 9: calling him a pig, knowing like y'all was saying how
Speaker 9: she got in the lifestyle and a more intimate probably him,
Speaker 9: she knew that would piss him off like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know, because he was he was trying to
Speaker 5: figure out when he was explaining to Bishop and Marshin
Speaker 5: like why he was so offended.
Speaker 4: He was trying to figure out why. Now she even
Speaker 4: said that he has no idea why.
Speaker 9: I think most pigs would be like that, though a
Speaker 9: pig would. I think that was the beauty of it.
Speaker 9: She knew it would affect him like and he would
Speaker 9: be like, he probably think he's not that like because
Speaker 9: the pig don't think they're a pig. And there you
Speaker 9: have it, Like, I feel like that that was intended,
Speaker 9: especially listening to y'all, what is.
Speaker 1: The thinking is like right with chicken want Hell, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking I'm not talking about the animal. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a pig like him. So yeah, I think it's interesting.
Speaker 8: Then she called out that the show kind of opens
Speaker 8: with him having root in a pig pen, which says
Speaker 8: how much he actually thinks about her if he feels
Speaker 8: that that heavily about being called a pig.
Speaker 2: I thought that I thought she was just I agree
Speaker 2: with that, but I thought she was also just like
Speaker 2: it was showing like the grunt work that he's having
Speaker 2: her due to be his assistant, and I feel like somehow,
Speaker 2: some way, one of those things is going to come
Speaker 2: back to bite him as well. But it also symbolized
Speaker 2: to me that she she's gonna be dealing with a
Speaker 2: lot of ship this this season, so.
Speaker 1: That's what I also took from it as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Nate, did you have any other thoughts on
Speaker 2: on how the beef started before we move on?
Speaker 1: Mahon?
Speaker 3: He said, what, Yeah, that scene was.
Speaker 8: The scene with them was hilarious and I wonder how
Speaker 8: much of that was like ad lib Marshaan Lynch is ridiculous,
Speaker 8: But no, I really I enjoyed their conversation there.
Speaker 1: Got you.
Speaker 2: We then see Rue talking with Maddie about what it
Speaker 2: was like for her as an uber driver, and that's
Speaker 2: where we kind of get her reminiscing and reflecting on
Speaker 2: the past and her relationships, which will again lead us
Speaker 2: to the ends of this episode. But then we also
Speaker 2: see Maddie in the same scene as getting ready to
Speaker 2: meet up with Cassie for the first time in a
Speaker 2: long time because Cassie dmder asking for some help on
Speaker 2: how to get her.
Speaker 1: Online career going. Rob what did you think of Cassie
Speaker 1: and Maddie's business meeting. Man, That was so good, just.
Speaker 7: Cassie coming in, you know, kind of confidently or whatnot,
Speaker 7: and then as soon as she sees Maddie and like
Speaker 7: her her state, her new state or whatever, just in awe, like, oh,
Speaker 7: you can just tell you can see her kind of
Speaker 7: shrink back to that high school girl.
Speaker 3: I think she did. I think she played that really well.
Speaker 7: As much as we me or everybody else don't like
Speaker 7: Sidney as you know, a person in real life, I
Speaker 7: think she does a good job in this type of role.
Speaker 3: I think she's I think she's really good.
Speaker 7: At expressing and just kind of looking like like a
Speaker 7: dumbfounded blonde or something man like.
Speaker 3: She plays that role really really well.
Speaker 5: You agree, Ken, Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting again that I've
Speaker 5: seen her still in this space and this is the
Speaker 5: spot that she wants to get out of. But but nah,
Speaker 5: I mean, this is what she does on the show,
Speaker 5: and she's really good at it, and I'm just really
Speaker 5: curious to see where this whole thing goes, especially as
Speaker 5: we went further along in the episode with some of
Speaker 5: the other.
Speaker 1: Things that happen.
Speaker 5: But I think the two of them if they do
Speaker 5: partner up with you know, Cassie willing to make a
Speaker 5: fool of herself. I think as Maddie described it or
Speaker 5: whatever however she worded it, which I thought was an
Speaker 5: interesting call out seeing them partner up and what Maddie
Speaker 5: knowing and how she can leverage that side of it,
Speaker 5: from the business social media side to what Cassie's willing
Speaker 5: to go to in order to find her own girl
Speaker 5: power thing. It's gonna be interesting to see that, watch
Speaker 5: that unfold and see where it goes.
Speaker 1: Mike real quick.
Speaker 2: In this meeting, because we talked about a little bit earlier,
Speaker 2: is there still but is there a possibility that Cassie
Speaker 2: actually ends up being the one who uses Maddie and
Speaker 2: fucking her shit up? Because we did already get the
Speaker 2: warning from her boss she can't be associated with this
Speaker 2: shit no more.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: they left that in there for a reason, and she's,
Speaker 2: like I was talked about, She's working with the person
Speaker 2: who's going to be completely butt ass naked forward the
Speaker 2: end of this season for sure, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: is Cassie smart enough to or at least clever enough
Speaker 2: to be able to be like, I'm actually going to
Speaker 2: get the you know, not the short end of the stick.
Speaker 2: Cassie would need directions how to blow up a balloon, bro.
Speaker 2: So there's no fucking way that she's clever enough to
Speaker 2: get Maddie in any kind of trouble. If she gets
Speaker 2: Maddie in trouble, it's completely unintentional. I think Cassie just
Speaker 2: wants Maddie's help in being more popular on OnlyFans because,
Speaker 2: like she said, she thinks she thinks that she should
Speaker 2: be huge because she's beautiful, beautiful air quotes, and she's
Speaker 2: you know, the life of the party and whatever else.
Speaker 2: But no, I don't think that there's any way that
Speaker 2: she would figure out some way to intentionally fuck Maddie's
Speaker 2: shit up.
Speaker 7: I will say that they did put that dialogue in
Speaker 7: her in there, what she said, don't underestimate me to
Speaker 7: another girl. So I do think they kind of left
Speaker 7: that open for us to look at her as this,
Speaker 7: you know, shad gullible type of character, and then somehow
Speaker 7: she's actually.
Speaker 3: In more control than we think she is.
Speaker 2: I want you to finish her point, But to that point, Rod.
Speaker 2: Remember last season they also had that shit where she
Speaker 2: was arguing with Nate and Nate was like, look, Maddie's
Speaker 2: crazy and Cassie was like, I'm crazier. That shit never
Speaker 2: paid off at all. So I think this is just
Speaker 2: them kind of repeating Cassie what she thinks she is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she thinks she's a bad motherfucker. She thinks she's you
Speaker 2: know that she can fight, she thinks she's you know,
Speaker 2: all of these things. But in reality, she's just a
Speaker 2: fucking a talentless girl that can't do anything other than
Speaker 2: what the show is portraying her to do, which is
Speaker 2: get but ass naked and manipul people.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're going with, Nae?
Speaker 8: So the weird thing to me about Cassie is Cassie
Speaker 8: thinks she's manipulating people, but it's like it none of
Speaker 8: it goals together, and none of what she's doing like goals.
Speaker 3: Is there's no grand plan here.
Speaker 8: It's just like she manipulates to get what she wants
Speaker 8: out of that particular scenario. Like, for instance, so she's
Speaker 8: meeting with Cassie with Maddie under the guise of I
Speaker 8: want to be your friend, but I really just want
Speaker 8: you to manage me because I see you're doing what
Speaker 8: I want you to do, right, So she's manipulating that situation.
Speaker 8: She's taking that same situation and manipulating it to getting
Speaker 8: sixty thousand dollars flowers from Nate, and in the interim
Speaker 8: it's embarrassing both of them and don't even realize it.
Speaker 8: It's like she's showing this to the women at the
Speaker 8: party as a flex, but she's really making herself look
Speaker 8: stupid amongst that group. So it's like she thinks she's
Speaker 8: manipulating people in all of this, but in all of it,
Speaker 8: she's getting played. The only area where she may actually
Speaker 8: be successful is with Nate, which is so weird to me,
Speaker 8: but I digress.
Speaker 3: That's men.
Speaker 8: So I just think she's the that's the only situation
Speaker 8: where she's able to actually wield her feminine wiles in
Speaker 8: a way that works for her, but she's still embarrassing
Speaker 8: him and herself in the process.
Speaker 3: She's stupid as hell.
Speaker 2: Real quick, lou before you go, Nay, what you described
Speaker 2: was like you were saying, like you're you're watching someone
Speaker 2: who you're aware of their intentions and their actions, but
Speaker 2: you know it's not going to lead to shit. It
Speaker 2: reminds me of like, I know, y'all, this is a
Speaker 2: referen y'all should get pinky in the brain. You understand
Speaker 2: his scheme every episode to take over the world, but
Speaker 2: it don't.
Speaker 1: Ever. That was my show though, too.
Speaker 2: You go into it thinking like, all right, this motherfucker
Speaker 2: may do it. This we on episode whatever, season whatever,
Speaker 2: and it never worked. And that's what That's exactly what
Speaker 2: I got from your description of Cassie, Like we are
Speaker 2: aware of what she's doing, but were also aware of
Speaker 2: how it's impacting the rest of the world, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, or like her settings, So.
Speaker 3: Do you even know who she is? And when she
Speaker 3: said that, like who am I?
Speaker 8: Like that's the core of her problem, Like she's she's
Speaker 8: not even aware of like she thinks she's like getting
Speaker 8: back at Maddie by saying, yeah, we're married, where obviously
Speaker 8: it was meant to be, et cetera, et cetera, but
Speaker 8: you don't realize that you're it's not a prize and
Speaker 8: and like you're making yourself look stupid in the interim
Speaker 8: because you really don't eat, don't you're not even acknowledging
Speaker 8: what you actually want, which isn't friendship.
Speaker 3: It's not even get back.
Speaker 8: You just want an opportunity to be somebody, and you
Speaker 8: got to go to this girl who you messed over.
Speaker 3: In order to do that. Like she's not even aware
Speaker 3: of how messed up her situation is.
Speaker 1: It's really sad, I think because she is so.
Speaker 9: Unself aware as you're saying, though, Nate, that's she thinks
Speaker 9: that this is working. Like she thinks it works because
Speaker 9: she got Nate. She thinks it worked because she's getting
Speaker 9: her to do the management work for She thinks it
Speaker 9: works because he agreed to pay for the flowers.
Speaker 1: Like in her small world, like her plans. It ain't
Speaker 1: like pigging in the brain Nigga her plans.
Speaker 9: She thinks that she killing it like so it's really
Speaker 9: odd to watch as a viewer. I'm in a one
Speaker 9: hundred percent agrees with Nate as to how she's like
Speaker 9: she like just jumping around like she winning every time,
Speaker 9: but they letting her do it though, like she got
Speaker 9: the man she wanted, she took it from her best friend,
Speaker 9: she got the person she won't as a manager.
Speaker 1: She getting the flowers paid for.
Speaker 9: It, so she thinks so she she's like, Okay, short
Speaker 9: term she won, but the long term, as you said,
Speaker 9: it is like he really just setting yourself up unless
Speaker 9: a miracle happens.
Speaker 1: So Louie saying she she the Jaalen Hurts of this show.
Speaker 2: She ain't really she ain't really that good, but she's
Speaker 2: surrounded by a lot of talent.
Speaker 1: But she's got a lot of talent around. What's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Cassie.
Speaker 2: As far as like, do you think that she's actually
Speaker 2: like playing Maddie or she's gonna get played.
Speaker 1: She's more than likely will get played. Yeah, yeah, she don't.
Speaker 1: She don't. She don't know what else she's doing.
Speaker 8: And I don't really think that Maddie cares about like
Speaker 8: her spot being belonged to her boss because she realizes
Speaker 8: how much money she missed out on the last girl.
Speaker 8: So she's able to work this situation out. It's a
Speaker 8: situation where she's not even gonna really need that job
Speaker 8: because she's able to create. She's found a way someone
Speaker 8: who's gonna allow her the ability to create.
Speaker 3: Her lame way she wants to, so she don't have
Speaker 3: to answer to nobody.
Speaker 1: But that's a great point.
Speaker 2: But that's the reason why that's the reason why I'm
Speaker 2: scared for Maddie because I think she is still gambling
Speaker 2: because Cassie and maybe Rod and Mike, to y'all credit,
Speaker 2: maybe this is the season where they actually justify that
Speaker 2: line in season two when she said I'm crazier.
Speaker 1: But maybe she betting on a crazy horse.
Speaker 2: And we saw that she is now potentially still the
Speaker 2: breadwinner of her family because when her mama during the pandemic,
Speaker 2: we know that her mom lost her salon, she had
Speaker 2: to pay money, having a conversation on the phone, like
Speaker 2: the bank, the money's gonna be in the bank account,
Speaker 2: make sure like it's cool, it's cool to check.
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna bounce.
Speaker 2: If she ends up losing everything because she been just
Speaker 2: off of revenge, I think that's gonna be. That'd be
Speaker 2: also an interesting path that they go for this season
Speaker 2: with Maddie. But y'all keep bringing up Nate, so we
Speaker 2: get to talk about and we get to see him
Speaker 2: and his daddy.
Speaker 1: Shout out to ri ip to I forgot his name?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 1: Eric? Eric? Dang? Eric dang?
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to him. Uh, Mike, what was your
Speaker 2: thoughts on Nate and his Nate in general? This episode
Speaker 2: but also his relationship with his father. My opinion of
Speaker 2: Nate has not changed since last episode. This just ain't
Speaker 2: This ain't my Nate. I don't know who this dude is.
Speaker 2: And granted people do change. I mean, I was a
Speaker 2: different person five years after high school. But this just
Speaker 2: seems weird, and I just I don't like this version
Speaker 2: of Nate at all. I did like seeing the daddy
Speaker 2: show up drunk as fuck and talking about the the.
Speaker 4: No heating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the heating this part, but no, that's
Speaker 2: not where I was going. Man, that's where you were going.
Speaker 2: That's not where I was going. No, Now, I forgot
Speaker 2: where I was going, man, damn it, But no I did.
Speaker 2: I did. I did like seeing him show back up,
Speaker 2: and I liked how they had their little back and forth.
Speaker 2: But I just I don't know what's going on with
Speaker 2: Jacob BELORDI is that his name, whatever his name is.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem like he's tapping into Nate.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he seems like it's given, it's given back. It's
Speaker 8: like I feel like there's some sort of background issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really want to be here fast, yes.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, the material that there that
Speaker 8: he has to.
Speaker 3: Work with is ass.
Speaker 8: So I really don't understand the I don't understand where
Speaker 8: they're going with the character, and then the way he's
Speaker 8: portraying it isn't healthy. It feels like it feels like
Speaker 8: Kat from season two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel that. I totally Yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 2: a that's a good reference. It does feel like Kat,
Speaker 2: and that's why Kat bounced and left. But I just
Speaker 2: a tiny bit disagree. I think that the storyline that
Speaker 2: they gave him could have been cool. It's not his fault.
Speaker 2: It's not Nate's fault that it's not cool. I feel
Speaker 2: like this whole idea of he still wants to be
Speaker 2: this controlling man and he's losing control because he doesn't
Speaker 2: have money. You know, his dad is whatever his dad is,
Speaker 2: and then his his his Cassie, who he's used to controlling,
Speaker 2: is actually bringing in the butter. I feel like they
Speaker 2: could have done something cool with that story, but they
Speaker 2: just they're just not I.
Speaker 3: Think y'all got to give it a little bit more time.
Speaker 7: I think he's absolutely maybe I'm with you, he's gonna
Speaker 7: lose it, Like like right now, I think we're seeing
Speaker 7: the calm before the storm. So it's just like this
Speaker 7: extreme just kind of got it together guy that we're
Speaker 7: not used to, right, and then he's gonna, Man, something's
Speaker 7: gonna happen to where he just blows up and.
Speaker 1: He gonna kill Cassie bro.
Speaker 2: But radon me and Lou I don't know if you
Speaker 2: agree with this, but to me, that's what That's the
Speaker 2: only way him and his acting makes sense right now
Speaker 2: is that it's like it's like I'm trying to be
Speaker 2: like I got under control.
Speaker 1: You see how I am with the with the dude
Speaker 1: at the funeral home.
Speaker 2: I know I'm in debt, but I'm still acting like
Speaker 2: I'm still you know, I'm confident things are going to
Speaker 2: fall through and all this other stuff, but I'm still
Speaker 2: hit with a mountain of debt. And I get this,
Speaker 2: got my tiance talking all this shit about some damn flowers.
Speaker 2: It's like it's just a lot of pressure that is
Speaker 2: being built up, and I think it's going to erupt
Speaker 2: probably by the penn ultimate episode of the season.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like his dad kind.
Speaker 8: Of was trying to prepare him for it, so maybe
Speaker 8: that that could be like a further in the season thing.
Speaker 8: But his dad was pretty much, saying like, I see
Speaker 8: what's going on and your actor because when his dad
Speaker 8: left the house last season, Nate kind of felt like
Speaker 8: he could be himself and kind of changed a little bit,
Speaker 8: and it's like he's trying to step into who he wished.
Speaker 3: His father would have been.
Speaker 8: But his dad's like, you're being somebody that you're not
Speaker 8: and it's gonna break. Like when he was he was
Speaker 8: what did he I can't remember what he said specifically,
Speaker 8: but he's like, I see what's going on.
Speaker 3: Here and you need to what you're looking like that for?
Speaker 3: Why are you shaking your head.
Speaker 1: Because Ken muted me for no reason. That's all we
Speaker 1: can hear.
Speaker 11: We can hear, you can.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Oh my bad, y'all, I didn't know.
Speaker 8: I feel like d was trying to warn him for
Speaker 8: them before this.
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts on Nate and his pop slu.
Speaker 9: The same with him and his pops was hilarious. But
Speaker 9: to comment on Nate's performing, I do agree with Rod.
Speaker 9: I think it's a build up. He's definitely the only
Speaker 9: way that it makes sense, as y'all said, is that
Speaker 9: this is just the low key I'm trying to make
Speaker 9: sure I got it all together, trying not to blow up.
Speaker 9: I'm doing, even the confrontation later on when the neighbor
Speaker 9: called him out, like you could tell that he was
Speaker 9: really trying to keep it together and he's been able to.
Speaker 9: And to Nay's point, the conversation with his dad, and
Speaker 9: his dad is telling him like nah, bro, like it's
Speaker 9: gonna blow up. But I think he thinks that he's
Speaker 9: better than his father, so he's not listening today, but
Speaker 9: he gonna realize it at some point during this series
Speaker 9: before this goes.
Speaker 1: Off, that you know, I couldn't have it.
Speaker 2: I would buy all that, and I believe I do
Speaker 2: agree with y'all that's probably what's happening. I just don't
Speaker 2: think Jacob Elodie is portraying.
Speaker 1: That very well at all, which part any of it.
Speaker 2: I think the only thing he's portraying is I'm just
Speaker 2: here for a check and I'm gonna go do some
Speaker 2: other cool ship like Frankenstein Part two and some other ship.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's portraying very very well that this
Speaker 2: is the old Nate. But I'm trying to pretend I'm
Speaker 2: a different Nate. All I'm getting is this ship don't
Speaker 2: make any sense. He's acting weird and I don't really
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's too good of an actor for that.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's too good of an actor to
Speaker 2: be like, I don't really care about this show. I'm
Speaker 2: doing Bigger Ship. Let me just do a check real
Speaker 2: quick and bounce Bigger ship absolutely absolutely, What do you
Speaker 2: mean whom? He was nominated round So you can't say
Speaker 2: that what you're saying because he's still young in his career,
Speaker 2: but he was nominated.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is one of the biggest shows on streaming.
Speaker 1: He don't need you for you right now? Right? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: he don't out stop God damn it. He don't need
Speaker 1: you for you right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I get you, I get But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He's doing bigger ship. He's doing much bigger shit. Look,
Speaker 2: Sam Levinson needed Jacob e Lordi. At this point, Jacob
Speaker 2: ELORDI does not need Sam Levinson. If anything, this is
Speaker 2: him slumming. Sidney Sweeney is the only one that needed
Speaker 2: this ship.
Speaker 1: Bro Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: That this is what got big break.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, you know, yeah, but Jay got Kanye
Speaker 2: his big break and Kanye don't need j no more.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I get you, but I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: Hen. I'm looking at you because I know you fucked
Speaker 1: with this daddy.
Speaker 11: Daddy was saying it was over, Bro.
Speaker 1: It was all.
Speaker 4: Man, Wanna when Wanna heard that ship?
Speaker 1: And she looked.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, She was like, what in the world
Speaker 4: y'all got me?
Speaker 5: And I'm out here taking that intures of your damn wife,
Speaker 5: your dad come in here trying to like he's not
Speaker 5: gay and coming over with every single reason as so
Speaker 5: why he isn't He caught me, but he don't this
Speaker 5: he playing baseball. Nate's like, bro, it is what it
Speaker 5: is at this point, like let it go, bro.
Speaker 1: He yeah, it was. It was. It was good.
Speaker 5: It was sad, you know, seeing him on screen knowing
Speaker 5: that you know, he had passed, you know, because I
Speaker 5: didn't I didn't know or see that he had a
Speaker 5: role in this before. But yeah, it was unfortunately seeing
Speaker 5: that he had gone, because you know, he's this guy's
Speaker 5: had some pretty popular roles, you know, throughout his career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he was a really good actor. He said, Ship.
Speaker 4: I didn't know I didn't know I would getting up better.
Speaker 1: You know, fucking man, I you know, it just happened.
Speaker 1: He liked that sometime, you know now I thought that.
Speaker 2: I thought this, Uh, this scene was really interesting and
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see when Nate gets into it.
Speaker 1: How his daddy's gonna. I don't know.
Speaker 2: His daddy may try to end up being like a
Speaker 2: father this season. Then he because since he hit Rock's
Speaker 2: Bottom and all that ship he almost went to.
Speaker 1: I think he's man, Kim.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 12: I mean, Nick did set that one up. Nick did
Speaker 12: set that one up. He trying to be a father. No,
Speaker 12: you want to be a daddy. He don't want to
Speaker 12: be a father.
Speaker 2: Nick. Let me move off, right. He trying to be
Speaker 2: ignorant tonight. I'll start with you, lou Bro. When you
Speaker 2: heard how much that Nate was in, like what.
Speaker 3: I like?
Speaker 1: I like this. I like the scene because of how
Speaker 1: the guy was responding to him. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: it's rough, but he was like not for me. He
Speaker 1: was like, like business is terrible. Mind.
Speaker 10: Like.
Speaker 9: I love how dude was responded to him, and I
Speaker 9: love how it was in perfect contrast to a scene
Speaker 9: later as to when Nate was straight sailing voices the
Speaker 9: other the little.
Speaker 1: Guys of his elk was eating it all up.
Speaker 9: So I love the like, the to, the ying and
Speaker 9: the yang of those worlds with Nate is clearly out
Speaker 9: of his element there, But on the other hand, he's
Speaker 9: able to fool the people that are around him, which
Speaker 9: I think speaks to his character this season.
Speaker 1: But I like this scene. I like the little gangst dude.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see where it's going, how he's
Speaker 1: gonna get that money. You think you against him? You
Speaker 1: do what hen apostles?
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, because like it's a funeral.
Speaker 1: Did bank think I think it is?
Speaker 3: I'm thinking is.
Speaker 1: Interest rates. He's definitely a gangst brouh.
Speaker 12: That's fast, okay, when you walk like a mafia and
Speaker 12: that is a mafia loan.
Speaker 1: I looked at I looked at him as like he
Speaker 1: just caught him on his lunch break, saying like.
Speaker 2: He just because because when you're in construction, you do
Speaker 2: borrow a lot of money, but once you once you
Speaker 2: walk me down. Yes, he definitely is a thug, but
Speaker 2: they to lose point the party scene, right, there's a
Speaker 2: lot that went down on the party scene, and I
Speaker 2: want to hear your thoughts because I feel like Cassie
Speaker 2: fucked up Nate's business like his She.
Speaker 8: Absolutely did, and so it's interesting. What's interesting to me
Speaker 8: about the party scene is that these are circles where
Speaker 8: both Ny and Cassie feel like they thrive.
Speaker 3: Right, So Nate's working his angles and.
Speaker 8: Making himself look bigger than he is, and this is
Speaker 8: where Cassie feels like she's the.
Speaker 3: One the wife everybody wants to be.
Speaker 8: All the husbands think she's built the most beautiful like,
Speaker 8: so she feels like she's like the little head center
Speaker 8: of attention, and it goes to Cassie's head and allows
Speaker 8: her to put her herself in a situation where she's
Speaker 8: not made both Nate and her look bad and she
Speaker 8: don't even realize it. So yeah, I think I thought
Speaker 8: that it was It was really interesting. I don't know
Speaker 8: why she would have thought that these that this these
Speaker 8: women or specifically that woman would have liked the fact
Speaker 8: that she's doing like would have looked up to the
Speaker 8: fact that she's doing this only fan weird stuff, wearing
Speaker 8: diapers and all kinds of crap. Like, I don't know
Speaker 8: why she thought that that would be like ooh, or
Speaker 8: showcase that but yeah, it essentially made and her look
Speaker 8: bad and then it made her make Nate appear to.
Speaker 3: Not have it all together, like he seems.
Speaker 1: That's what you got to ride?
Speaker 2: What's the what's the question again from the the party
Speaker 2: scene once, like when Cassie and they had their interaction
Speaker 2: in front of the couple and shit like that, In
Speaker 2: my mind, he lost that one hundred thousand dollars he
Speaker 2: was asking for when they were witnessed, like not only
Speaker 2: what she was up to, but just how their relationship
Speaker 2: is behind closed doors.
Speaker 3: I guess I still don't understand what you're asking.
Speaker 2: Just like, do you think that that's because you know
Speaker 2: he was he had that party for investors, right, okay,
Speaker 2: because he needed to get that one hundred grand because
Speaker 2: he don't got it. Yes, so I thought that he
Speaker 2: was able to talk himself into getting that. And the
Speaker 2: dude that was sitting he was sitting next to was
Speaker 2: looking at them in a way when like they when
Speaker 2: she was like, I'm I did a baby thing. I
Speaker 2: got my only fans account and they told her to
Speaker 2: delete it, he was looking at it like I'm not
Speaker 2: about to get this nigga no money because like clearly
Speaker 2: he can't even afford fifty thousand dollars for the flowers
Speaker 2: if his girl got to do OnlyFans, right.
Speaker 3: She ultimately indirectly sabotaged his whole plan.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if that's
Speaker 7: what you were saying, s name, but yeah, she she
Speaker 7: absolutely sabotaged this playing which which is which again is
Speaker 7: just gonna just contribute to like how he blows up later,
Speaker 7: like she just becoming a problem by trying to get
Speaker 7: this money.
Speaker 1: On her own when he told her.
Speaker 7: Like look I got this or whatever, and she's just
Speaker 7: not being like you know, you know, obedient or trusted
Speaker 7: him to lead in this situation.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, that I like this whole scene too,
Speaker 3: Like like I said, the maid thing was super funny.
Speaker 1: And yeah, man like that that.
Speaker 3: That that the wife was dirty. Man, she immediately had so.
Speaker 8: He liked this bitch he got an only fans.
Speaker 1: I would she doing diapers and ship as soon as
Speaker 1: we get to the car.
Speaker 3: But I gossipin assume.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's funny.
Speaker 2: It's more the husband's fault of anything, because he he
Speaker 2: shouldn't have said nothing. Yeah, yeah, he should have said
Speaker 2: something like sorry, Spike, I.
Speaker 9: Was during that Okay, I thought it was funny during
Speaker 9: that scene where they almost talked themselves out of it
Speaker 9: with the only fans stuff. But when the maids started
Speaker 9: asking do you want us to save this food? That's
Speaker 9: when dude was really like what they got going on?
Speaker 9: They saving food over here? I know they broke and
Speaker 9: that's really what convinced So I just thought that was
Speaker 9: an interesting little tidbit that they do.
Speaker 1: That was the that happened up. I was crying because
Speaker 1: do you want to keep it? Yeah? Man, that ship
Speaker 1: was hilarious. He was disgusted. Dude looked at him like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because there was a list of things. It wasn't like you.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, like put the fruit in friends,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying later or whatever.
Speaker 2: It was like literally every single item or something that
Speaker 2: wasn't easily perishable.
Speaker 1: He was like, save all that ship.
Speaker 2: She heard he was broke and was like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: gonna need leftovers because you don't got no money for food.
Speaker 1: That ship had me dying.
Speaker 3: I didn't catch that.
Speaker 8: I was because we take honey and that's not surprising
Speaker 8: to me.
Speaker 4: But y'all not rich.
Speaker 1: Well you may be, you're rich. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not in your pocket, but saying I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're rich or not, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think you are.
Speaker 3: I'm not pis in the blanket. I'm not.
Speaker 1: Looking like man away man.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I feel like black folks don't waste food. So
Speaker 2: we would say we would say we would, we wouldn't,
Speaker 2: We wouldn't look at it. Yeah, we were look at
Speaker 2: it like that we paid for, We paid for you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But to white folks, it's like,
Speaker 2: hold on, those are just appetizers. Why you Why are
Speaker 2: you a funk about scraps?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 2: I bet you rich black folks look at it like that.
Speaker 2: I bet you Kevin Hart don't save fucking left or
Speaker 2: I bet you jay Z don't save leftover. I bet
Speaker 2: you he throw everything in the fucking trash everything, He throw.
Speaker 1: It out before the party over ah.
Speaker 4: Home.
Speaker 1: Oh but.
Speaker 2: Uh you think I can't wait to see the follow
Speaker 2: up to this scene? Can What did you think about
Speaker 2: the housemaid and just throughout this episode? Because I feel
Speaker 2: like I don't know why they keeping her around or
Speaker 2: like showing putting her in these situations but I feel
Speaker 2: like there's gonna be someone with her character this season.
Speaker 1: Cassie asked her something and I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 1: She asked, do you want did you ever want more?
Speaker 1: Want to be bigger?
Speaker 4: Or something? Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah, which you know,
Speaker 5: I thought it was a weird question, and you asking
Speaker 5: me that question now makes me reflect on that particular
Speaker 5: scene because she was like, now I'm fine, I'm just
Speaker 5: in America.
Speaker 1: I'm good with my life.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I think maybe also she's kind
Speaker 5: of there to show us what's going on with Cassie
Speaker 5: and now to a certain degree sort of comedic relief,
Speaker 5: you know, in some of these scenes as well, you know,
Speaker 5: she's kind of like.
Speaker 1: A nothing nake. Go ahead, what was he saying?
Speaker 8: That's how I feel like she's like a class, like
Speaker 8: she represents like the different class, like the working class,
Speaker 8: or just more so, like the whole conversation about all
Speaker 8: I wanted to do was come to America and then
Speaker 8: her seeing like the conversation, Now that I see this
Speaker 8: aspect of her with the food, like it's this class.
Speaker 3: It's like she represents some.
Speaker 8: Sort of way of the classes and that's going on here,
Speaker 8: like what like work in America looks like and the
Speaker 8: way the upper class looks at situations.
Speaker 3: I feel like she's they're trying to like focus.
Speaker 1: On that.
Speaker 3: Difference. I agree, Yeah, that's that's that's a good that's
Speaker 3: a good point.
Speaker 1: And we also get to see later on Uh, this
Speaker 1: is where we see Nate and Cassie talk and Cassie
Speaker 1: tells Nate that I'm working with Maddie.
Speaker 2: And and I invited her to the wedding. And when
Speaker 2: he when he said my Maddie, I was shocked. I
Speaker 2: was like, you said your future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was wild. She didn't.
Speaker 4: And double down on it too, Yeah that was that
Speaker 4: was crazy.
Speaker 3: And he's like, we're talking about the same matty, Like, brother.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 4: So maybe to what you guys were saying, if he
Speaker 4: if he's had.
Speaker 5: And those sort of similar thoughts, the old Nate would
Speaker 5: say some shit like that, you know, maybe you know
Speaker 5: he will eventually, as a episodes progressed, turn back into
Speaker 5: that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this wedding is gonna be nuts as far
Speaker 2: as it's gonna be very expensive based off of what
Speaker 2: she's talking about. This for flyers, let alone on anything
Speaker 2: else she asking for. He gonna have to have her
Speaker 2: only fans to pay this ship off.
Speaker 1: A lot of that shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's how they're gonna make all of
Speaker 4: their money.
Speaker 3: She may be able to take care of that death
Speaker 3: for him. She do it right, m.
Speaker 1: She gotta do with what Mattie said, You gotta do
Speaker 1: them feet picks, the dirty feet.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but in the beginning when she put
Speaker 5: the price in only fans that she did for New
Speaker 5: for nineteen ninety nine or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Was, I was like, that's too low. That's introductory, man,
Speaker 2: That's how you get him hooked.
Speaker 1: They all do that.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm not here, that's what That's what told me.
Speaker 11: That's what told me.
Speaker 2: Closing out this episode, we finally get to see Jules.
Speaker 2: She was talked about a lot of this episode the
Speaker 2: last couple episodes, honestly, and we finally see that. She
Speaker 2: links up with Rude and they head back to her spot.
Speaker 1: She's living nice lot.
Speaker 2: She living downtown l a boy penthouse looked like it.
Speaker 1: What did you think? What did you notice about her
Speaker 1: in this episode? Like?
Speaker 11: What did you know?
Speaker 2: Is there any differences about her character from obviously it's
Speaker 2: five years later, what you see since you be noticing ship,
Speaker 2: what you think of Jules.
Speaker 5: Jules is a hot mess and she knows it, and
Speaker 5: you know it's it is evident by her being with
Speaker 5: this married man living in this penthouse.
Speaker 1: Because it took forever to get to the goddamn penthouse.
Speaker 1: I was like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: And then she get in there and then she just
Speaker 5: starts like probing and asking all these questions about what
Speaker 5: rude got going on.
Speaker 1: And you know, basically.
Speaker 4: When it was time to you mentioned downtown s w V.
Speaker 4: Is what I was thinking, because when she would have
Speaker 4: took that back, it's about about to cute that ship up, bro,
Speaker 4: because so yeah.
Speaker 5: But and the fact that she knows Oh, I thought
Speaker 5: it was interesting when she said that, uh that or
Speaker 5: alluded to the fact that she was an issue one
Speaker 5: of them. I forgot who said it, but Jules was
Speaker 5: an issue for Ruth, you know, and that was one
Speaker 5: of the things we talked about in some of the
Speaker 5: other seasons, and she had actually like, oh, you think
Speaker 5: that I'm a problem for you. It's funny that you
Speaker 5: mentioned that me in that same sort of laying as well.
Speaker 5: But it seemed like she was content with is gonna
Speaker 5: let Ruby rude and just sit there and chill. And
Speaker 5: then she went and took that bath and was like,
Speaker 5: you're not gonna come keep the company in, but we
Speaker 5: all know Ruble's gonna take a ass in there at
Speaker 5: some point.
Speaker 1: That's just who rule it is.
Speaker 4: So I thought that that was interesting. But yeah, Jews
Speaker 4: don't give a fuck, bro.
Speaker 1: She just messy. She she messy as fuck. Mm hm.
Speaker 8: I feel like that's that's just that's who she's always been.
Speaker 8: It's just she's dealing with an elevated caliber of people
Speaker 8: at this point. But I think Jules is just as
Speaker 8: I mean, she's always been super sexual. She's always been
Speaker 8: kind of like she doesn't really care about the relationship.
Speaker 3: She just does, you know, And she's I think.
Speaker 8: What's unfortunate to me is because she knows how Rude
Speaker 8: is for her and she's still like, is leaving the
Speaker 8: door open for that, and she knows that doesn't end
Speaker 8: well for real. So that's a little unfortunate to me
Speaker 8: that she's not being a little bit more mature about
Speaker 8: the relationship between her and Rude.
Speaker 1: Row are you shaking with your hair in agreement? What
Speaker 1: do you think about that.
Speaker 3: Again, I think this, you know, just a setup for
Speaker 3: the mess that we see with Rule and Jewels.
Speaker 7: I think it's just obviously a set up episode to
Speaker 7: see just to show that even after all of these years,
Speaker 7: that there's still some sort of toxic connection here. So
Speaker 7: I'm very curious to see how this particular storyline plays out,
Speaker 7: because this can go a lot of different ways, especially giving.
Speaker 3: You know, how she's in that penthouse and how this
Speaker 3: could affect or whatnot. But Na I like it. I've
Speaker 3: always liked the Jewels and Rue storyline.
Speaker 7: It's probably some of the most emotional times that we've
Speaker 7: seen in euphour You. So I'm glad that they're kind
Speaker 7: of stepping back into that.
Speaker 1: Mike, m I think one without the other. Mike, what
Speaker 1: were your thoughts on their conversation that they had.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I want to point out is it's
Speaker 2: not that Jewels was necessarily saying bad for you. I
Speaker 2: think she was pointing out what Rue was saying and
Speaker 2: putting her in the same category as those things that
Speaker 2: are bad for her. She was like, so, you're trying
Speaker 2: to stay clean, your California sober and you're you know,
Speaker 2: you're trying to do better, but you came here.
Speaker 1: It's like she knows that this is a bad situation.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't agree that Jewles is a hot mess. Jewels
Speaker 2: seems to be doing just fine. Rue brought her fucking
Speaker 2: little wannabe crackhead ass over there. She should have left
Speaker 2: Jewels the fuck alone because Jewels. I don't think Jewels
Speaker 2: is ever gonna leave Ru alone because Jewels, even though
Speaker 2: she is very sex positive and she's okay having these
Speaker 2: sexual relationships, there is genuine emotion with Rue. So Rue
Speaker 2: shows up and just dangles that carrot. Jewls is gonna
Speaker 2: take it every time, and she knows that Ru is
Speaker 2: gonna take it every time. So I loved this whole
Speaker 2: entire scene. I thought it was amazingly acted. The whole
Speaker 2: awkward giggles going up the elevator, I thought that was incredible.
Speaker 2: Their discussion inside one thing I did want to ask
Speaker 2: y'all because I kept rewinding it back and I can't tell.
Speaker 2: Did Jewels have drugs on the table?
Speaker 1: Was that like coke lines?
Speaker 2: I was thinking there was something there was coke somewhere
Speaker 2: because they had Then they show an emphasis on she
Speaker 2: was pulling her.
Speaker 1: Something out of her bag or her purse. That was
Speaker 1: the key. I thought she had something attached to her
Speaker 1: that was like a coke bottle or something like that.
Speaker 2: But a coke bottle, you like a small little coke bottle, Yeah, Violet,
Speaker 2: that's usually cracked though. Do they usually carry coke and
Speaker 2: vials like that? Yeah, Spike would know.
Speaker 1: That was a setup, rock and he fell for it,
Speaker 1: the people keeping him a little like.
Speaker 2: A But no, if y'all get bored, go back and look.
Speaker 2: It looks like there's like little lines on the table.
Speaker 8: But wasn't she standing over by the table when she
Speaker 8: was talking about being California sober?
Speaker 2: She so she had she had made the drink right,
Speaker 2: and then she walked over and that's when Ru was
Speaker 2: talking about being sober. And yeah, Jewles came and sat
Speaker 2: down in that chair, and there's a table right next
Speaker 2: to the chair, and she pulls out a cigarette. But
Speaker 2: I can't tell if it's a glare or if there's
Speaker 2: a line of coke on there. So if Rue is
Speaker 2: around Jewles and Jules is doing hard drugs, then that's
Speaker 2: gonna be an even bigger issue.
Speaker 1: I got to pull it up now. I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But I can't tell if that's a glare either. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm not tripping. Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't and
Speaker 1: everything I did too, and it could. You really can't
Speaker 1: tell if I can't see it. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think they did a great job in this scene.
Speaker 9: I think it was great acting. I'm not the power dynamic.
Speaker 9: I feel like, I know y'all saying that they have
Speaker 9: this mutual connection for each other, but I think that
Speaker 9: the power dynamic is kind of shifted, being to where
Speaker 9: Rule is and where Jewles is, and I think Jewles
Speaker 9: is kind of playing with that factor, hence her coming
Speaker 9: at telling her to come take the bath and even
Speaker 9: teasing the I'm bad for you guys. So I'm not
Speaker 9: sure the emotional connection with Rue is still there for
Speaker 9: Jewels since she's out and she's lived this life and
Speaker 9: she's now experiencing this high end stuff. I think her
Speaker 9: like it's more sinister now, like she looking at Rule
Speaker 9: like as a playtoy, something I could play with, and
Speaker 9: it's gonna hurt Rule.
Speaker 1: But wasn't that always the dynamic though.
Speaker 9: It seems like that's always I always thought they were
Speaker 9: on the same page previously, and then the dynamic was mutual.
Speaker 9: But now even more to your drug point, to the
Speaker 9: lifestyle that she's exposed to. I think that she'll rule
Speaker 9: see some really dark times with her and she knows that,
Speaker 9: but she ain't pulling away.
Speaker 2: Look at it this way, remember the last season, the reason,
Speaker 2: well it really it was really in the first season,
Speaker 2: but the reason Rue relapsed was because Jewles left her.
Speaker 2: And when Jules found that out, she was devastated. But
Speaker 2: it did kind of imply that it's not like she
Speaker 2: was reaching out over and over again trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what happened.
Speaker 4: She just left.
Speaker 1: So I think they're go ahead.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, I was gonna say, Jules has always
Speaker 8: had power over her, and in the first season and
Speaker 8: messed with her because she was like when she realized
Speaker 8: how that Rue was really in love with her and
Speaker 8: that she the only reason why she was clean was
Speaker 8: because they were in a relationship, she didn't know how
Speaker 8: to handle that pressure. But I think now that she's
Speaker 8: in you add her lifestyle, you add that she's I mean,
Speaker 8: cause she's going to art school, she's like doing something
Speaker 8: like she's in a good place. And so I think
Speaker 8: she is aware of it and she's okay with having
Speaker 8: that power over her at this point, that's what it
Speaker 8: feels like. It feels like, yeah, I know what the
Speaker 8: situation is. We know what the situation is. That's why
Speaker 8: you hear. So it's like it feels like she's in
Speaker 8: more control of having that type of power over Rut.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I neither got intentions with power.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever good or bad with Jewels.
Speaker 2: I think they're just bad for each other. But I
Speaker 2: think that there's just something with those two. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, there's they just can't they can't be separate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the second, the second she she stood up and
Speaker 2: went in the bathroom, was like I'm gonna take a bath.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, roofing to go in there, talking
Speaker 2: about all my fish, my drink and leave you a
Speaker 2: fucking lie, You a fucking lie you about to go
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 1: Room was hilarious. Was so good man. Then Dan's killing
Speaker 1: this shit.
Speaker 2: My thing was like, once you see somebody in a
Speaker 2: penthouse suite downtown LA with that pornos seventy bathrobe thing,
Speaker 2: He's after.
Speaker 1: Somebody having sex, somebody, somebody to night.
Speaker 2: Even if we ain't fucking I'm gonna watch something happen. Ship,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a show. Goddamn take a bath, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Really, I want to.
Speaker 8: Say in this episode scene where the scenes with Jewles
Speaker 8: and the scene where they're replaying Ru's ruse like relapsing
Speaker 8: when she really was, that those two scenes made me
Speaker 8: feel most like, Oh, Euphoria. The cinematography on those two
Speaker 8: scenes were really really good. It felt different this season
Speaker 8: is one and two, but it still felt impactful in
Speaker 8: the way that Euphoria cinemashiograph.
Speaker 1: It used to be.
Speaker 8: So that that I think those two scenes made me
Speaker 8: feel the most like, Oh, okay, maybe there's hope.
Speaker 3: For this season.
Speaker 7: No, I'm glad you brought Oh sorry, Rob, you might
Speaker 7: be aboule to say the same thing I'm about to say.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was just gonna say I'm glad you brought
Speaker 2: that up because I meant to say that at the
Speaker 2: beginning of this discussion. Is I was harsh by saying
Speaker 2: the cinematography was trash last episode. It just wasn't great
Speaker 2: last episode. This episode, it was incredible. That scene that
Speaker 2: Ny was just talking about, where Ru was relapsing and
Speaker 2: she's begging her mother to come home and then the
Speaker 2: lights with the light shut the gas station. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is euphoria. Where where was this in episode one?
Speaker 2: Like the shots in this episode were so good, and
Speaker 2: they're back to playing with color again, which they didn't
Speaker 2: do in the first episode.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 7: But go ahead, Roy, I was gonna say they played
Speaker 7: with a lot of color in the Strip Club too. Yeah,
Speaker 7: they did a lot of color with the point.
Speaker 1: I was gonna I didn't see much color, right, I
Speaker 1: just saw pink. They played with pink a lot.
Speaker 4: And light and light brown.
Speaker 3: I agree with that, but I do feel like I
Speaker 3: didn't feel the lack of the the guy.
Speaker 1: The music, the music that is missing.
Speaker 7: That looks that just shows you that how how important
Speaker 7: that that is man like, like that dude really was
Speaker 7: the soundscape of this show. They gotta they gotta tap
Speaker 7: back into that somehow. They try to use some some
Speaker 7: kind of movie type of uh background and points.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's still missing.
Speaker 1: Isn't I think is doing this? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is that true?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He was in the credits, so that's all.
Speaker 8: I was like, Oh it, it's not like they're not
Speaker 8: they're using It's not I mean it's.
Speaker 3: Hans Zimmer, right, but it's still don't feel the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like a sixty plus year old white
Speaker 2: man versus a thirty forty year old black man, Like
Speaker 2: who's gonna be Who's gonna give you a better vibe
Speaker 2: when it comes to music?
Speaker 1: You'll say, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Granted, Hons Zimmer is a legend, but it's like he's
Speaker 2: a legend for different reasons than what Laborate does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, felt like color. I don't know, it just it
Speaker 3: felt his music felt like color to me. Huh, that's
Speaker 3: real life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do they call that, Sennastasia.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's where you where you feel color and you
Speaker 2: like see sounds something like that.
Speaker 3: He definitely tapped into something like that for sure. That
Speaker 3: dude is the musical genius. Like, yeah, he definitely tapped
Speaker 3: into something with this show.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about the the Was this the last
Speaker 1: scene of the show?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, they all right, sorry, go ahead, but I
Speaker 2: think it is. What were you gonna get to, Well,
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about the pig with the and the
Speaker 2: Nazi thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't talk about that.
Speaker 2: I mean we cracked jokes about cracking that ass or whatever,
Speaker 2: but like, I wonder what that means, like because they
Speaker 2: they focused on it, like the dude that was fucking
Speaker 2: they had a swastika on his chest and it was
Speaker 2: like Charles Manson's face, and then behind him there's another swastika.
Speaker 2: So and the dude, the one guy that Laurie was with,
Speaker 2: did call buddy a nigger. So it was like, wait,
Speaker 2: are these are.
Speaker 1: These actual Nazis?
Speaker 2: And if they are, then that makes their their insistence
Speaker 2: on getting rude back even more creepy.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's once once once I saw that online because
Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember, I only watched it once.
Speaker 2: I didn't see the Nazi symbols, I know, but once
Speaker 2: once uh I lined that up with him saying like
Speaker 2: the N word easily, you know, like just flying off
Speaker 2: with off rip. I'm like, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Wh would Why would I not think they're not that either?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That ship was interesting to me because I was for
Speaker 2: some reason, I just wasn't expecting that, you know, because
Speaker 2: I was like, why are they showing his chest like this?
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, that made him saying that the N
Speaker 5: word makes sense, like why are we doing this in
Speaker 5: twenties when some TV shows?
Speaker 1: But it is a.
Speaker 4: Reality that you know, we don't see but exist.
Speaker 5: And you know, here's a guy that's willing to work
Speaker 5: with with him and for this business, but he detested
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: And then the the phrasing that that that called me
Speaker 4: was like Rue is ours.
Speaker 5: She belonged to us, or something like yeah, exactly, ownership exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what That's what I was getting at that ship.
Speaker 2: That ship felt weird once I saw the swastika on
Speaker 2: his chest and the swastika in the background, because now
Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking at Fay kind of crazy, and
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, Okay, Rue had to know that these dudes
Speaker 2: are Nazis and then phase over here talking about let's
Speaker 2: go rob them, like this ship the way y'all just
Speaker 2: like let's get rid of Lori and that whole y'all
Speaker 2: tripping This ship is interesting, and.
Speaker 9: Then he.
Speaker 1: He did call her half a Yeah, at least at
Speaker 1: least he said half. You know, we can say so
Speaker 1: we can say half in No, you're not supposed.
Speaker 11: To say it, Jesus, that's what you wanted to walk
Speaker 11: away with?
Speaker 1: Rod saved us. What were you about to say?
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, I agreement with you, like like
Speaker 7: I thought we all were with Laurie. I thought we
Speaker 7: all liked her subtle kind of case.
Speaker 1: So I just to no, I'm out.
Speaker 9: I'm I wish I wish it had been in that
Speaker 9: everything that y'all said we don't need. I don't need
Speaker 9: the Nazi. I don't need none of.
Speaker 1: That white you know it's episode two. I'm just you
Speaker 1: don't need it anymore. We found the better villain.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can watch mad Men and all these
Speaker 2: boring ass white shows, but you talking about this ain't
Speaker 2: interesting to you.
Speaker 1: Get out of here. I don't like the Lori character.
Speaker 1: Nobody around her. I just don't think it adds a
Speaker 1: lot to the show.
Speaker 8: Damn a villain, and there has to be something that
Speaker 8: the villain's doing it gives, like the story with ADAMBSI
Speaker 8: or reason.
Speaker 9: And and I think when somebody pointed that out earlier,
Speaker 9: I would love to know more about the characters around
Speaker 9: at ABCI like that.
Speaker 1: I think the security guards dude was funny.
Speaker 9: I could spend a scene or two with Marshawn Lynch,
Speaker 9: Like there are things that they can explore over there,
Speaker 9: even Kadeve Hardinson running the club, like, I think that
Speaker 9: there are more things to explore over there than the
Speaker 9: Nazis and white supremacists.
Speaker 4: The Nazis angle does make it make I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I think we can move on without Laurie, but the
Speaker 5: Nazi thing does add an extra element in it. My
Speaker 5: only concern would be how much time we they have
Speaker 5: to flush that out.
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to flush it out.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna I think we're gonna get something
Speaker 2: like we got with Uh with Gus, Like this this
Speaker 2: person that's very Gus from I don't remember his last name, Spike,
Speaker 2: what's his name from? Yeah, yeah, Like this very buttoned up,
Speaker 2: unassuming person. But they're fucking vicious. That's what I want
Speaker 2: to see with Laurie. So that's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 2: I get it, she's kind of boring, but I think
Speaker 2: that's kind of the point. So I think when she
Speaker 2: really gets her ship off, it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: Her being a junkie that that that was interesting, Like
Speaker 1: it makes.
Speaker 2: Sense though, that's probably why her her temperament is the
Speaker 2: way it is. But she gonna kill Fae I guarant
Speaker 2: fucking te Oh. We didn't bring up the fact that
Speaker 2: she did not know like we had that that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had that that theory last week that she didn't
Speaker 2: know that the fenanol was in there. It was the
Speaker 2: dumb ass Nazi guy that didn't clean the scale properly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she should have noticed that. It was How fay
Speaker 1: gonna notice that? Bro? No, I'm saying.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like she's supposed to clean it, or he's
Speaker 2: supposed to remind her to clean it before they do
Speaker 2: that stuff. You didn't remind her, right, She can't even
Speaker 2: see the scale and she's looking down because her lips
Speaker 2: are so fucking big.
Speaker 1: She didn't know there was anything on that damn scale. Uh?
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts on this episode?
Speaker 2: I'm excited again, manh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am interested in what's coming up next. I
Speaker 1: ain't watch anything.
Speaker 9: I cut it off before next on, but you know,
Speaker 9: I'm excited to see what's next.
Speaker 8: That on this one. Yeah, you gotta wait to get
Speaker 8: all the way past all the credits, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you watching that?
Speaker 3: I did, and I watched out a little extras. She
Speaker 3: gonna do that, She's gonna do that every time she works.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm gonna look at it too. I didn't know
Speaker 1: they were there.
Speaker 8: M hm, yeah, you gotta wait talk like all the
Speaker 8: international credits and everything.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you don't have.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't to the interview.
Speaker 4: And I thought they have it like in that episode,
Speaker 4: like they'll have it section off you can go.
Speaker 3: Up to the extras. Yeah, but I like I like
Speaker 3: the full experience.
Speaker 2: Okay, I did watch a whole interview with Faye talking
Speaker 2: about her experience with Euphoria.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: I forget her real name, but you know, hm, look
Speaker 2: at Spike. I'm gonna find this ship right now. I'm
Speaker 2: very interested in seeing what happens next in this storyline.
Speaker 1: I think they're.
Speaker 2: Finally like we got we got the players set, we
Speaker 2: know what world we're in, so now we're about to
Speaker 2: have some fun.
Speaker 1: So I think episode three moving forward should be very interesting.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, all right, Well those are our thoughts
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