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Speaker 1: Daddy Hip Hop podcast. Kenneth been here along with Fifo.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's it. It's just the two of us,

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Speaker 2: two men. Yeah, yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: So glad to have you guys back on board for

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Speaker 1: another week as we go through. Uh uh, a rather

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Speaker 1: eventful week with some big names doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. So if you're listening to it, huh.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, cay, hold on, care Let me

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Speaker 3: let me address something that happened last week on a

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Speaker 3: live We talked about Jack Carlow and I defended Jack Carlow.

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Speaker 3: Let me resend that my motion to support Jack Carlow.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why the reason why I say that

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Speaker 3: is after we did the live, right, I came across

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Speaker 3: this clip where Ebro and then was playing him music

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Speaker 3: just culturally, Like if you're part of the culture, even

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Speaker 3: if you don't know the names people, because you already

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Speaker 3: know I'm bad with names, you know these songs, like

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Speaker 3: it's impossible to be melanated and not know some of

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Speaker 3: these songs. And they played songs for him and he

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Speaker 3: just was like there in the head like I don't

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Speaker 3: know what this is. Because of that, I'm like I

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Speaker 3: understand where you and Raw was coming from.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have that tidbit of information previously, which is

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Speaker 3: why I was just like, bro, like, let the man live.

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Speaker 3: But I but I also agreed with what y'all was

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Speaker 3: saying in terms of like, even if you're not mellenated,

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Speaker 3: you can be of the culture, right, And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: how's Jack Carlow not? But when I saw that clip,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know if it was manufactured or not,

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Speaker 3: regardless I saw that, I changed my stance immediately. You

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Speaker 3: can't say that you've gotten blacker and not know black music.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna just leave it there. So I'm with y'all.

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Speaker 3: It changed my whole perspective when I saw that clip. Again,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was manufactured or not, but

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Speaker 3: you can't. You can't call yourself blacker and be of

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Speaker 3: the culture and not know culturally the music that inspires

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Speaker 3: what you're trying to do. So with that, I'm out

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Speaker 3: of the Jack Harlow business. I'm just I'm just letting

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Speaker 3: you know. Care just want to adjust that that shit

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Speaker 3: was a little crazy when I saw it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds that sounds pretty wild, But we definitely

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Speaker 1: have to talk about the g jay Z interview with

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Speaker 1: g Q because it dropped this week, and you're a

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Speaker 1: jay Z fan. I don't know if people think I'm

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Speaker 1: not a jay Z fan, but I do like jay Z.

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Speaker 1: I just be critical of certain things, and Rod's a

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Speaker 1: big jay Z fan. Unfortunately he isn't here. So I

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Speaker 1: listened to the whole thing regular speed two fifo. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even listen to it at one point five speed

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Speaker 3: People you would be listening to ship are three and

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Speaker 3: a half speed. Bro, Hey, look real quick story man.

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Speaker 3: Every time we was in the studio and I walked

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Speaker 3: past Kek and be listening to shit, I'm like, how

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Speaker 3: do you even understand what's being said? But that's how

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Speaker 3: that man consumes a whole bunch of shit. Bro. Like

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Speaker 3: I saw that show, I'm like this, Nigga professor X

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Speaker 3: go ahead, prochy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.

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Speaker 1: You know, jay Z is a master wordsmith, and you

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Speaker 1: know he's really good with words, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: make sure I was able to process the pauses the

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Speaker 1: nuances of things he was saying. So but yeah, he

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Speaker 1: kind of Well I guess overall, what was your thoughts

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Speaker 1: when when you watched it, what do you think you know?

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Speaker 3: So, so I was talking to my brother and I said,

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Speaker 3: I feel like jay Z is a politician because he

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Speaker 3: said a lot, but he didn't really say nothing, you

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Speaker 3: I think he gave you a glimpse right of how

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Speaker 3: different things that kind of like, oh, okay, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I never thought that Jay would be like that about this, right,

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Speaker 3: Like when he was talking about being fulfilled creatively just

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Speaker 3: I didn't think that that would fulfill Jay like that,

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Speaker 3: But I thought it was good though. I thought I

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Speaker 3: whatever whatever there has to you know, where they're smoke,

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Speaker 3: there's fire. And I said, you know, I heard men

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Speaker 3: But he didn't hint really at anything. So but I

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Speaker 3: thought overall was a good interview. I think anybody that

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Speaker 3: I think it was fairly insightful.

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Speaker 1: I do agree with that statement. My wife is a big,

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Speaker 1: big jay Z fan. She hasn't watched it yet, so

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Speaker 1: I'd be interested just to hear her thoughts and what

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Speaker 1: as well. I thought it was good. I definitely think

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Speaker 2: Gonna love it, you know, And overall.

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Speaker 1: It was good just watching and listening to him, and

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Speaker 1: on the surface, you know, I was like, it was

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Speaker 1: it was, it was insightful. He said a lot, and

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, but he's also said a lot

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Speaker 1: of nothing. I haven't had a chance to really sit

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Speaker 1: I think that over time, I'm wait a minute, that's

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Speaker 2: But and that moment may never come. We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But let's kind of go through specific parts with you know,

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Speaker 2: First of all, I definitely think of the album is coming.

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Speaker 1: But I think when he opened the interview and said

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Speaker 1: that enough defense now is offense, it explains a lot

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Speaker 2: It made sense to me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I get it now, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like some bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Because I really didn't know what he was talking about,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I thought it was interesting though

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Speaker 1: that he said he wouldn't settle. He said a settlement

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Speaker 3: Nah, I think, you know, I think what Jay does,

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Speaker 3: that is still relatively mysterious, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: Like he his moves themselves cause a lot of words

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Speaker 3: So that makes sense, right, Like every situation that Jay's

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Speaker 3: very important when you're anybody, honestly, but especially a person

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Speaker 3: So and he has the money to fight it, you

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Speaker 3: like there's not many people that's gonna outlie. Jay Z

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Speaker 3: So that being said, I feel that what he said,

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Speaker 3: So I was cool with what he what he was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of reading between the lines and you know,

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Speaker 1: So there's no way I could settle because there's a

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Speaker 2: His wife because we know people we're with, but there are.

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Speaker 1: Things that we don't know about them times because you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, so I get it, I thought real quick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was interesting because I wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 3: So that's why, like I was like, well, does that

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Speaker 3: But again, I think that is the enigma of jay

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna get into some of the sound bites

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you, right, like, is it wrong

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Speaker 3: Of course, Oh of course, but but but all of

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Speaker 1: Of way, yeah, a couple of other things real quick. Uh,

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Speaker 3: But this was not confirmation, Like I can't say this

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Speaker 2: The data conversations you were having? I really wanted to

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Speaker 1: and he broke that down and it basically said that

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00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: they don't exist anymore, and said battling should be out

435
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: of there as well. Some battle rappers have some things

436
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: to say. I didn't get a chance to look at

437
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: all their responses, but it really was about this beef

438
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: and the harm that it did.

439
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna lie. I thought that was some bullshit.

440
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: And I think that he's coming from what sixty year

441
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 1: old man's perspective, and and he remembered where he came from,

442
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: but it's also like he also forgot where he came

443
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: from and how he had that whole thing with NAS

444
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: even though he did acknowledge it, talking about some real

445
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: harm what's happening bringing kids into it, which I thought

446
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: was interesting I don't know if he was talking about

447
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Drake's kid or kendricks kids or whatever, But I don't know, man,

448
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I think what I want from what he said, because

449
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, jay Z can move the culture, and I'm

450
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: saying that beef need to go out of here.

451
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: Hopefully the fake beef will disappear.

452
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: Like the ship Joey Bada has tried to do last year,

453
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: and all these people manufacturing beef for record sales. Maybe

454
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: the t I fifty thing, you know as well, if

455
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: that turns out to be fake. But the thing that

456
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: made Kendrick and Drake good is that it was it

457
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: was real, it was sourced. They don't like each other,

458
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: and Jay is fully aware of what's going on as well.

459
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: What did you think about what he was saying about

460
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: we we should get rid of beef And he wasn't like,

461
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: he didn't commit to it all the way, but he

462
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of floated it out there.

463
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: He can't. You need to get into politics too, bro,

464
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 3: because the way you twisted this man's words is crazy,

465
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: right now. You you a, hey, I see what you're doing.

466
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: Can that's not essentially or at least that's not how

467
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: I took what Jay was saying all the way like,

468
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: I don't think at least I didn't interpret it him

469
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: saying get rid of the beef. I think that he

470
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: was worse for saying get rid of everything that comes

471
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: with it, right, because it's very personal attacks, it's very

472
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: it's like, it's ugly, like it got really ugly, right,

473
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: And and Drake and k got both drug a lot

474
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: of auxiliary pieces into it. Wife kid, you know potentially

475
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: you know a mysterious kid, or you know, just a

476
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: whole bunch of ugliness. And I think that we lost

477
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: the essence of what battling is, right and I'm gonna

478
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: tape back into the battle rappers too, film in the

479
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: type of way, but the essence of battle rap can

480
00:25:53,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: we didn't It wasn't a display of rapping ability, which

481
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: is what battling should be, right, Like, can you take

482
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: a couple of personal digs, Yes, but make it about me,

483
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 3: you know, make it about general family. Don't mention my

484
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: wife's name, don't say your wife, say you know, yo chick.

485
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: You know, let's not make it about pdfile Like, let's

486
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: not make it about that. Let's make it about I

487
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: got better bars than you. And this is how you

488
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, even when you listen to nas

489
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: like you know, when he had ether, he said, your

490
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: mustache is like whiskers like a rat. Like, is that

491
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: the freaking greatest bar ever? No, but you're taking a

492
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 3: personal shot at somebody that you feel that you're a

493
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: better rapper. Th I'm cool with that. I think that

494
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: That's what jay Z was trying to get at, is

495
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: that the essence of the rap battle and hip hop,

496
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: right like, with musicians, not battle rappers, but with musicians,

497
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: it's it needs to be about the music. And he

498
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: also talked about that. He was like, I love the

499
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: fact that we got so much music and such a

500
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: short amount of time, right Like, Also, that's a technology thing.

501
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: But I think with the battle rappers what they need

502
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: to understand. Again, Jay's not talking about y'all because what

503
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: y'all do is battle for a living. Y'all don't make

504
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: music for a living. Some of y'all do, but the

505
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: majority of y'all don't. Y'all eat off of battling. He's

506
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: not saying battling needs to go away because the essence

507
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: of rapping against somebody those dudes are freaking amazing. I

508
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 3: don't know who this white boy is. But he just

509
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: had so so rap battle. He was telling the black dude,

510
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, you know urs, he was rapping

511
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: arts against ars. He was like, yeah, Ars. You know

512
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You done moved up. You're not in

513
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: the You're not in the hood no more. Your neighbors

514
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: look like me. My neighbors look like you. I like

515
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: the essence of battle rapping is still there, and battle

516
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: rap needs to still be there. Jay's not talking about y'all.

517
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: He's not talking about y'all. He's talking about these music,

518
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: the K Dots, the J Coles, the Freddy Gibbs, the

519
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: Grisel does, the people that we know because they make music,

520
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: and then they may have beef that they put on wax.

521
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 3: Keep it about the bars and the person. Let's not

522
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: talk about all of this extra stuff that can be

523
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: relatively dangerous, you know what I'm saying. So I'm with

524
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: Jay in that standpoint because that's how I took it. Kid.

525
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know. I think.

526
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: It sounded like some I just it's hard for me

527
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: to take him seriously. After the NAS, after his beef

528
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: with Nas and how dark he went with it, and

529
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to a point like a lot of

530
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: the rappers that have died has been like on some

531
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: street shit.

532
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: This didn't cross over into that.

533
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: It sounded like at times that it could, and we

534
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: definitely didn't want another big pop situation.

535
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad it didn't resor to that.

536
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: But you know, this is what happened when people have

537
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: real issues and there was some fallout from it, you know,

538
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: and and it is what it is. But to see

539
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: here and try to say that we should get rid

540
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: of battling because it got negative when you were doing

541
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: the same thing, it's just like, come on, bro.

542
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: But again I think that the.

543
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: Fake beefs we need to get rid of one million.

544
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: But what was the outcome of the Jay and Nonstein right?

545
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: Jay Z apologized. Jay Z made a song with nods

546
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: and like now they're cool, Like and cool doesn't mean

547
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: that we have to be kumbaya and make all types

548
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: of music and collapse together. They made a collapse. They

549
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: sing each other's praises and they just keep it moving.

550
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: And I think that because that's where Jay and Nas

551
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: ended up. That's what he's talking about. It's like, let's

552
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: get to that point, you know, because because obviously jaa

553
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: knowledge is Na's greatness and NAS the same way. They

554
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: don't have to overtly do it. But with k dot

555
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: and Drake, it's like, bro, you you grew up in

556
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: Memphis slash Toronto and you grew up in LA like y'all,

557
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: how can you hate somebody that bad? You know, like

558
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: like y'all don't have this is my block, this is

559
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: my hood, this is my whatever. Jay and Jay and

560
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: NAS was burrows away from each other on the same

561
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: in the same trajectory. They were peers and not saying

562
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: that k dot and Drake are in peers, but Drake

563
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: was so much bigger than k dot when k dot

564
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: first came out, like like they weren't peers for a

565
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: couple of years. So at the end of the day,

566
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: the disdain and this that and the third not saying

567
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: that you can't have that, not saying that you can't

568
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: make battle raps, not saying that you can't have no beef.

569
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: But do we really need to be talking about pdf file?

570
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: Do we need to talk about abusing your wife? And

571
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: like does it need to go there? Like does it

572
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: really does k dot need to make meet the grams?

573
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: Like do we like this battle rap have to go

574
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: back that route. I don't care. I don't know, Okay,

575
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: I think Euphorial. I think Euphorial is like it is

576
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: the perfect way to because because Kate again, Kate, I'm

577
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: cool with battling. I'm cool with beefing. Uh And And

578
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: I think I said this, you know, two years ago

579
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: when the whole thing was popping off, like, I don't,

580
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know care it is.

581
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: What it is.

582
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: How'd you feel about him saying he'll never make for

583
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: for four again?

584
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: Yes?

585
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: Disappointed because m M, I don't know what this new

586
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: album is going to sound like, but I get you know,

587
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: him saying that it was the hardest one for him

588
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: to make and that he was afraid to make it

589
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: because he was very vulnerable. And I think that that's

590
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: that's that's the jay Z that I liked. Some of

591
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: his best songs that I like from him is him

592
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: talking about real ship. So now, what does this album

593
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: sound like? How do you address?

594
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: Like? What are you talking about now?

595
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: In your world? You already basically got plenty of money.

596
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Oh the other thing I thought was funny and he

597
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: kind of flets him a little bit.

598
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: I have to say.

599
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: This is when he was like when people thought that

600
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: he picked Kendrick because of the whole him picking.

601
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: The side and the beef, and he was like, what

602
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm want to do that for?

603
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 1: He said, I'm I'm fucking jay Z, and you can

604
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: see on his face like he he he said it

605
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: in his head and then he was like, no, I'm

606
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: not gonna say it. And then he was like, man,

607
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm gonna say that shit, and in all honesty, bro,

608
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: he's right. He's like, I'm I'm jay Z and I'm

609
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: bigger than both of y'all and you know, and conspiracy.

610
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: I think it was just like he was really taking

611
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: saying that to Drake because I don't think he really

612
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: liked Drake like that, so I thought, but I thought

613
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: that was funny that he kind of stunning on He

614
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm jay Z, Like why do I

615
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: gotta pick a side? But yeah, the fourth pot fourth

616
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: thing is interested because now what does this new album

617
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: sound like?

618
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, you know it four for four

619
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: being so therapeutic, being so neo so ish or you know,

620
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: underground backpacker ish sounding. And I think everybody, the majority

621
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: of people love Jay over that. I think it is interesting.

622
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: But again going back to earlier where he was saying,

623
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: you know, like he scrapped or he's jotted down like

624
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: a lot of ideas but hasn't really dove into him

625
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: because they're so dark. So I'm here for dark. J

626
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: I'm because because think about think about just the world events.

627
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We're talking about COVID done

628
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: happened since four forty four, you know what I'm saying,

629
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: Like after four forty four, just think about everything that

630
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is back in office, like like there's just

631
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: so much stuff. And then just think about ken he

632
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: talked about the Jews they tried to cancel him on

633
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: four four four and what it And he didn't even

634
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: say nothing negative. He just said, you know how to

635
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: you know how the Jews got it credit and they're

636
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: trying to cancel them off of that. So you don't

637
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 3: think you're gonna double down. You don't think he's gonna

638
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So so I'm I'm here

639
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: for it. Can I'm like with Jay was talking about

640
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: being it him being in a more darker place. I

641
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: don't think he scrapped all of the dark stuff. Hey, Hey,

642
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: I'm here for it. I'm here for and I think

643
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: where I think where Jay is can when you even

644
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: listen to like a lot of his later features and

645
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: stuff like that, Jay's always been introspective. I just think

646
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: that Jay can talk about topics and people and situations

647
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: in a different way than any other rapper can because

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Speaker 3: he's behind the closed doors. He's not viewed or he

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Speaker 3: is viewed as an entertainer, but he's a businessman first.

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Speaker 3: And think about since four forty for like, he hasn't

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Speaker 3: really segments. There hasn't been no jay Z quotables, music

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Speaker 3: or social media. So for him to come out and

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Speaker 3: just unleash the whatever he has pent up, I'm here

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Speaker 3: for I don't know what's gonna sound like, but I'm

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Speaker 3: here for it.

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Speaker 2: Ken Yeah, yeah, me too. Well we'll leave it there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's our reaction, our thoughts on the jay Z interview

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Speaker 1: with GQ. Let us know what you guys think and

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Speaker 1: uh and we'll got you guys next time we out.

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Speaker 2: Peace,