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Speaker 1: So the residents in the governor's home county are outraged

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Speaker 1: Show back once again with producer Jason Doser. You know

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Speaker 1: And of course we've been talking a lot about this

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Speaker 1: Mid States Corridor project, this multi billion dollar proposal to

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Speaker 1: running through the heart of the governor's home county to

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Speaker 1: poll that showed sixty two percent of the people in

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Speaker 1: the Boys County interviewed a whole bunch of people on

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Speaker 1: how they were feeling about this, and Jason, this is

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Speaker 1: hearing this story told to me and I'm like, this

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Speaker 2: And the more I.

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Speaker 1: Looked into it, the more it was true. And maybe

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Speaker 1: the most interesting thing about this is is these people

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Speaker 1: They're trying to save taxpayers money. They're saying this road

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Speaker 1: is serves no purpose for the community. It really to them,

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Speaker 1: doesn't better anybody other than the trucking distribution people, of

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General for the state of Indiana, is taking

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Speaker 3: One hundred and sixty five residents of Jasper where we're

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Speaker 3: taken to court by Todd Rakkeeda. The way this was

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Speaker 1: So they were actually not they were just certain they

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Speaker 3: So of course these these folks, uh, you know said, no,

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Speaker 3: you cannot do this. There is a law that you're

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Speaker 1: They must tell you we're coming west and if random

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Speaker 2: You can't do that. They had no idea.

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Speaker 3: It's like they just they they came down to the

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Speaker 3: So the serve that they threatened to call the sheriff.

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Speaker 3: So the surveyors left. The surveyors were just they're just

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Speaker 3: So they left. They didn't want any part of that.

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Speaker 3: But then they came back. They were ordered back by

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Speaker 1: But well they were ordered by the government of which

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Speaker 1: Mike Brawn is in control of the government. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: all this information, the court proceedings and everything. But so

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Speaker 3: And every single one of those hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 2: We don't even know you're out there.

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Speaker 3: And so the judge had to rule in favor of

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Speaker 2: To your property even if they break the law.

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Speaker 3: The only law they were breaking technically was not getting

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Speaker 1: But that is so rude to think you can just

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Speaker 1: And I'm so amazed the man of the people, Todd Roketo.

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Speaker 3: Now the surveyors were down there. Well obviously they hadn't

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Speaker 3: gets even better. Rob, this is what I'm told. This

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Speaker 3: And the so they called the sheriff again and they said,

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Speaker 3: So the sheriff said, you know, okay, we've had a

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Speaker 1: So basically the sheriff gave in. Now, now the sheriff,

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Speaker 2: Disappeared and no charges were for all. Doug Carter laid

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Speaker 1: So I just want to point out, if it's the

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Speaker 2: Timing is everything. Boy, that's amazing, And that was a

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Speaker 3: Sheriff did not want. And even if none of that

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Speaker 3: So Bob Fister said, no, you're not coming on my property,

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Speaker 1: This was like an ass doesn't he really seems trampling

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about five days. I thought ro.

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Speaker 1: Keta was supposed to be some great Johnny cochran esq

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Speaker 2: Man of the law. We're talking about five days.

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Speaker 3: This entire transcript is available again the d Boys County

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Speaker 3: So basically then to date, they're still coming on the property,

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Speaker 4: David Ring, I'm a farmer, I'm retired school teacher south

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Speaker 4: Kind of a long story, one hundred and thirty acre

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Speaker 2: So they came on the property. You called the state police.

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Speaker 2: They told you they didn't have anybody available. Nobody available,

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Speaker 4: Live twelve miles from the SAT.

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Speaker 2: So how has this resolved?

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Speaker 4: I left and they left finally. But the thing about

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Speaker 2: It is a mess.

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Speaker 3: The state police commander, Yeah, Braun's cousin.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Carthy is Oh my guys, Jason, this has

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Speaker 1: They're trampling their quality of life, They're trampling their way

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Speaker 3: All the places you could put an interstate in the

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Speaker 3: Indiana is just that's just not the place for it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem And by the way, Todd, if you'd

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows Susie. He's implying it. If Todd would like

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Speaker 1: than willing to have that conversation about why you're going

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Speaker 1: is okay. And I'll add this is not my fight.

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Speaker 3: This was just my assignment, all slings and arrows toward

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Speaker 3: Rob Kindall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, tell us where people can find you and

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. Well, they can find my books on

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Speaker 1: Amazon dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: The last time we had you one, you wrote a

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Speaker 1: write a fourth book in the trilogy, that's right. And

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Speaker 1: if I am the character in one of the books,

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Speaker 3: I added, actually the fourth book is a prelude to

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Speaker 3: the first three to the trilogy.

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Speaker 2: But you're still in there. Oh good, I you ever

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Speaker 2: killed me off yet? That's great.

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Speaker 1: So if you just put your name Jason Doser Doz

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Speaker 1: I E. R into Amazon, it'll pop right.

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Speaker 2: Up for people, right.

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Speaker 3: And the last time you had me on I sold.

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Speaker 3: I sold a lot of books because of that, So

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of reviews though, doesn't matter. Are you

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Speaker 2: for the money or the fame?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean it's a you know, leave

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Speaker 1: a review, Jason Dozer, You're the best.

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