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Speaker 2: To five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 3: Every team that we know to be taking part in

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Speaker 3: IndyCar this season is testing at Sebring today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Do we have any more confirmations on the unknowns active

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Speaker 3: Indy five hundred driver and IndyCar on Fox colleague Jack

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Speaker 3: Harvey will join us on the show, plus Nathan Brown

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Speaker 3: of The Indianapolis Star, who has gone through the McLaren

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Speaker 3: versus Poalo case notes and released a comprehensive timeline today

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Speaker 3: with some other factoids, and we've crossed the last off

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Speaker 2: Football season is over.

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Speaker 3: The dayton on of five hundred is this weekend, and

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: It's Trackside on ninety three to five, one oh seven

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Speaker 3: five The Fan in Indianapolis. I am not I am

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Speaker 3: elsewhere again today Kirk Cavin will join is coming up

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Speaker 3: in the next segment. He is in Indianapolis area. Landon

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Speaker 3: Coons is definitely there. He's in our studios as mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Jack is here with me. And will join me coming

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Speaker 3: up in just a moment. By the end of the show,

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping to see the full times for the day

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Speaker 2: Shocker, Alex Palou was the fastest.

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Speaker 3: There's some news and I haven't been able to check

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Speaker 3: So the way this works, this is not the official

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Speaker 3: which is open to the public. Check your local listings

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Speaker 3: Sebring short track is very small. It's what fifty three

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Speaker 2: You want to go as fast as you can.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you can because they're both veterans at this point.

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Speaker 3: It's more like roadside radio. Jack Harvey, IndyCar driver Indy

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Speaker 4: We are on the road, are we going to disclose

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Speaker 4: where we're going? I don't know if we are not.

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Speaker 5: We're going to a place that typically has more snow

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's warmer than Orlando last week at time. So

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Speaker 3: that's what I was going to get to. Next, we'll

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Speaker 4: Pete and then a little bit of a break.

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Speaker 5: So I feel like this year it's probably it's probably

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Speaker 5: less of an advantage because of how many races are

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Speaker 5: just coming back to back to back. I think in

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Speaker 5: previous years when guys were getting to do Daytona Sebring,

444
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Speaker 5: they probably were going into Saint.

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Speaker 4: Pete or at least the first two races.

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Speaker 5: Maybe just with a little bit more I don't want

447
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Speaker 5: to say winter rus because obviously that's why you're testing,

448
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Speaker 5: but maybe just a little bit of that kind of

449
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Speaker 5: like shined off and polish off already. However, this year,

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Speaker 5: for the guys who are going to be doing Daytona

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Speaker 5: and Sebring and the IndyCar schedule, I mean they're actually

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Speaker 5: racing an enormous amount, but almost like an unprecedented amount

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Speaker 5: for what I think IndyCar racing has at least become recently,

454
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Speaker 5: which I think is cool. And I mean this is

455
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Speaker 5: a selfish note in all fairness, but last year, would

456
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Speaker 5: it been my first year with Fox, I would have

457
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Speaker 5: given anything to have had several weekends in a row

458
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Speaker 5: just to try and get into my stride in a

459
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Speaker 5: new role as well. So I think that that, I

460
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Speaker 5: think overall is more so a benefit, not just the drivers.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not for you as well, but certainly for me

462
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Speaker 4: still learned so much. It's probably a good thing. All right.

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Speaker 4: There's really not much different this year.

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Speaker 3: No changes with the car, no changes there's always maybe

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Speaker 3: a little tweak here and there with a tire.

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Speaker 4: We do have some new events.

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Speaker 3: So that said, if things are pretty similar, why will

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Speaker 3: it be any different? Why is Alex Plow not going

469
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Speaker 3: to stomp the field again this year?

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Speaker 4: Let's hope I don't have an answer, do you? Because

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Speaker 4: I don't not really.

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Speaker 5: I mean I wish I had a really thoughtful answer

473
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Speaker 5: there that was, you know, deep and insideful, and I

474
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Speaker 5: got to say where we were talking about will Power

475
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Speaker 5: a moment ago talking abo Alex below at content they

476
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Speaker 5: I mean, he just seems relaxed but confident, but still

477
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Speaker 5: super hungry, as if he's never won anything, you know,

478
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Speaker 5: and this is a guy now that's won everything. So

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Speaker 5: other than just trying to keep ticking off, you know,

480
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Speaker 5: race wins and Poulp positions and new events, this guy

481
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Speaker 5: seems even more motivated than ever. I guess you could

482
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Speaker 5: maybe say, and we already did say it, maybe Andretti

483
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Speaker 5: on the street circuits might be.

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Speaker 4: Looking to maximize those weekends.

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Speaker 5: But Kevin, in my experience, again, when you look at

486
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Speaker 5: the season early and go, well, we've got to be

487
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Speaker 5: why we have to be good on the street circuits,

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Speaker 5: that's an enormous amount of pressure.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, this is racing. Anything can happen.

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Speaker 5: You could be in great position and it could just

491
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Speaker 5: you know, one yellow at the wrong time, so you

492
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Speaker 5: cannot bank on just being good. At some of these

493
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Speaker 5: newer places, it will be opportunity for everyone to have

494
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Speaker 5: a little bit of a leveler and come through. But

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Speaker 5: in the UK we always used to say at least

496
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Speaker 5: the cream rises to the top.

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Speaker 3: So there are some veterans in contract years in very

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Speaker 3: desired seats. Marcus Erickson, Felix Rosenquist. He's not a veteran,

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Speaker 3: he's still twenty twenty one years old. But Nolan Siegel,

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Speaker 3: Joseph Newgarden might be a veteran. He I think will

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Speaker 3: get to control his I might be a free agent.

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Speaker 3: That's not been confirmed that I know of, but I

503
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Speaker 3: think he would probably control his destiny, especially for the

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Speaker 3: Ericsson's and the Rose and Quiz and the seagulls.

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Speaker 1: What is that like or is that just the way

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Speaker 1: it always is?

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Speaker 3: Is it more like the way it was in junior

508
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Speaker 3: Formula Cars when you had to win the championship to continue.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you to keep the nail on the head.

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Speaker 5: They are in very desirable seats right now, with teams

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Speaker 5: that I think also have some funding to play with

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Speaker 5: to go out and try and really get the drivers

513
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Speaker 5: that they won. Now, if I was MSR looking at Felix,

514
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Speaker 5: I think he's done really well since he's been there.

515
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Speaker 5: He's been on the cusp of did he have a

516
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Speaker 5: couple of polls or was he just front row a

517
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Speaker 5: bunch of times. Yeah, you know, he's a previous race winner. Felix.

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Speaker 5: I'm not too worried about I feel like he's a

519
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Speaker 5: very methodical guy.

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Speaker 4: He's very relaxed, but he just goes to the track.

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Speaker 4: He gets his job done, and he's on me very quick.

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Speaker 4: The way that.

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Speaker 5: Arcass season went last year, kind of on the back

524
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Speaker 5: of wanting to like really cement his position within that team,

525
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Speaker 5: it didn't go to plan. I would say he's probably

526
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Speaker 5: feeling some pressure coming into this season. And I saw

527
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Speaker 5: his comments again at Content Day, and I mean, he's

528
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Speaker 5: not under any illusions of what this season means. This

529
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Speaker 5: is a chance for him to actually either cement it

530
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Speaker 5: and you're going to be hopefully locked into this team

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Speaker 5: for the long term, or he might be in that

532
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Speaker 5: free agency that all trying to all work towards get

533
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Speaker 5: a getting a seat. And I like Marcus a lot.

534
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Speaker 5: I've got a ton of respect for him. I hope

535
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Speaker 5: that he has a great season. And this is a

536
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Speaker 5: guy who, in another year and things have gone differently,

537
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Speaker 5: he could nearly be a two time Indy five hundred champion.

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Speaker 4: Going to could be three, could.

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Speaker 5: Be So then you look at like Nolan, I would say,

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Speaker 5: of everybody that you mentioned, I think Nolan's got the

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Speaker 5: biggest mountain to climb.

542
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Speaker 4: And that's not just because I'm looking at mountains.

543
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Speaker 5: While we're on our roadside soor but he has got

544
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Speaker 5: a lot because he's going into a team that they

545
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 5: say is a car that is quite challenging to drive,

546
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 5: but when you can extract it, it's quick. Christian Lungard

547
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 5: is unbelievably quick, He's very mentally strong. Pato is as

548
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 5: fast a driver as I think you can get on

549
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 5: a racetrack, and he has that swagger and that flare

550
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Speaker 5: with the mental side too. I think for Nolan, like

551
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Speaker 5: he's really going to have to have found a step

552
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 5: in the off season and he needs consistency. But I

553
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 5: mean Tony's already said realistically it's top ten to continue,

554
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 5: which in the IndyCar field right now, I mean that

555
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: is a that's a mighty ask.

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Speaker 4: Are you ready for year two? Same rules?

557
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Speaker 3: Indy Next with me in the booth Indy Car on

558
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Speaker 3: pitt Lane, I've been driving me Indy five hundred with

559
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Speaker 3: investor Dryan Randall.

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Speaker 5: I mean it sounds like a pretty good year when

561
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Speaker 5: you say it's like that, Yeah, yeah, I'm excited about it,

562
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 5: just honestly.

563
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Speaker 4: Knowing the flow of a weekend.

564
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Speaker 5: Know when it gets busy on our side is when

565
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Speaker 5: you were a driver, you know, perhaps and just kind

566
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 5: of understanding what I'm doing. I think it's fair to

567
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 5: say that the start of last season, I don't know

568
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 5: if I would go as far to say it was

569
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Speaker 5: very shaky. I just looked fresh, you know, I looked

570
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 5: very new. I felt like a rookie. I was a rookie.

571
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Speaker 5: As the season kind of progressed, I felt like I

572
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: kind of I settled into it, you know, kind of

573
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Speaker 5: found my flow.

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Speaker 4: I really do enjoy being in the booth. I think

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Speaker 4: those races are fun.

576
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 5: That Detroit in the next race, when we had Tony

577
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: in the booth with us, that was a particular favorite

578
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 5: because that whole like last lap sequence. I don't think

579
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Speaker 5: me and Tony said anything, and not for any other

580
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 5: reason than we were so invested into the race because

581
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Speaker 5: things were just happening.

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Speaker 4: Here, there and everywhere.

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Speaker 5: So I'm really excited for year two just to try

584
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: and already know what I'm know what I'm doing and

585
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 5: immediately try and fine tune in no difference if I

586
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 5: was a you know, sophomore returning for a sophomore season

587
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: in India.

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Speaker 3: We're almost ready. The car season is not far away.

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Speaker 3: In a little more than two weeks, we'll be at

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Speaker 3: Saint Pete. That's Jack Harvey. We've got plenty more to come.

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Speaker 3: If you read the Indianapolis Star today, there was a

592
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Speaker 3: timeline going back about six years with the tales of

593
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: the Alex Poalo and McLaren and Ganassi case. Nathan Brown

594
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: broke it all down and he is going to join

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00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: Kirk Cavin next year on track Side ninety three to

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Speaker 3: five one oh seven five the fan.

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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Kyle Kirkwood, and you're listening to track Side.

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Speaker 6: Welcome back to Trackside on a unique Monday night, and

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Speaker 6: we're joined now by Nathan Brown, who has spent the

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Speaker 6: better part of I don't know, we'll say two years,

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Speaker 6: maybe three years, who knows, maybe four years following the

602
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 6: Alex Polow McLaren racing story, which has kind of consumed

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Speaker 6: us to some degree. And I thought it was just

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Speaker 6: interesting from the standpoint of that. I wanted to talk

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Speaker 6: to you about it because you you did a piece

606
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Speaker 6: in the Indie Star that came out today that was

607
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Speaker 6: a timeline of all the things that have happened over

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Speaker 6: the last four years, and I just thought it'd be

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Speaker 6: good to kind of just think about it from a

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Speaker 6: big picture standpoint. You know, how how reporters get into

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Speaker 6: these kind of stories, maybe more importantly, how do you

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Speaker 6: get out of them? And so anyway, good, good to

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Speaker 6: have you with us.

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Speaker 1: Today, Nathan, Yeah, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 6: So give us a sense of the scope here in

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Speaker 6: terms of you know, how difficult is it to get

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Speaker 6: access to all these legal documents, how many pages you

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Speaker 6: have to sift through? Again, you can go to Indie

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Speaker 6: Star and follow the timeline. I guess how many words

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Speaker 6: is that is that entry you gave today, because it

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Speaker 6: seemed like it was about two thousand words. I mean,

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Speaker 6: just kind of give us a sense for just big

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Speaker 6: picture how much is involved here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So the piece that I turned in, actually I

625
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 7: haven't done a side by side of comparison on well

626
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Speaker 7: published versus what I had turned in as a draft,

627
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Speaker 7: but I think just about everything I wrote was there,

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Speaker 7: and it actually topped four thousand words, which even for

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Speaker 7: a as my editors will be quick to tell you

630
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Speaker 7: a verbose writer, that's even pretty long from my standards,

631
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Speaker 7: But there was a lot to get into here, and

632
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Speaker 7: what I did, as you mentioned in the piece, was

633
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Speaker 7: just kind of go through the last I mean, really,

634
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 7: if you talk about when Polo entered IndyCar he signed

635
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 7: with Dale Cooin Racing at least that deal was announced

636
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 7: in December of twenty nineteen, from there until this lawsuit

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Speaker 7: was finally settled, with that decision coming in late January, this,

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Speaker 7: you know, just this past month just kind of tried

639
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 7: to do my best to detail both through the information

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Speaker 7: that I gleaned from court documents as well as you know,

641
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 7: some either on track or semi related events around you know,

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 7: Pulo and Ganassi and McLaren's relationship, Just what this whole

643
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 7: process involved, what got particularly Pulo and McLaren into this

644
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 7: relationship with each other, what made it contentious when it ended,

645
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 7: and then the events that led or followed afterwards that

646
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Speaker 7: really factored heavily into the court decision that ended with

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Speaker 7: Pulo and really in reality chip Ganassi Racing owing McLaren

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Speaker 7: Racing and Air McLaren just over twelve million dollars in

649
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 7: that decision that was handed down last month.

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Speaker 6: So you know, this is from a reporting standpoint. You

651
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 6: go through a lot of steps, like you're getting pieces

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Speaker 6: of the document as we go over the last couple

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Speaker 6: of years. What's the document look like when you're finished?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: How many pages? Is it a lot?

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Speaker 6: I mean how many hours do you think you went

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Speaker 6: through kind of examining because it isn't just you know, oh,

658
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Speaker 6: here's the story, right it it's you have to understand

659
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 6: what's being said in legal terms. I mean it is

660
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 6: a massive document to go through.

661
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, So the the final the decision form from you know,

662
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 7: from the judge that Justice Simon Picken I believe is

663
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 7: his name in UK Commercial Court. That final document that

664
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 7: was handed out on January twenty third, I think is

665
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 7: what it was last month. It was one hundred and

666
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 7: twenty four pages and it was you know, totally written

667
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 7: by Justice Pickin going through and explaining essentially laying out

668
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 7: either the arguments on the claimant side, that being McLaren

669
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 7: raising and Aaron McLaren on you know, what specific avenues

670
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 7: they were looking to be reimbursed for reasons why they

671
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 7: felt like they had lost or wasted money, and then

672
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 7: going through the defendants argument, that being Alex Pullo and

673
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 7: his personal services company, and then just essentially laying out

674
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 7: for all of those different sections, you know, where he

675
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 7: netted out and what it turned out to be was

676
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 7: largely the justice pick and being in favor of McLaren's

677
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 7: arguments when it came to Polo and McLaren's dealings within

678
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 7: IndyCar and the opposite in Formula one. But that was

679
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 7: a one hundred and twenty four page document that I

680
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 7: had to sift through.

681
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: This this whole process took me a little bit longer.

682
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 7: Admittedly, I had kids that were kids and family that

683
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 7: were sick for a good portion of a week after

684
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 7: that court case was finished up, so I had to

685
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 7: take some time away from work to deal with that,

686
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 7: and then got back into it this past week, you know,

687
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 7: fully sifting through it, going back on, you know, my

688
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 7: previous stories and background, and then writing up a couple

689
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 7: of pieces. I think there's another one that will be

690
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 7: publishing on Tuesday morning in the Star that kind of

691
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 7: lays out from a more you know, traditional story manner,

692
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 7: just kind of why this verdict was reached and the

693
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 7: I guess you could say the faults along the way

694
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 7: that Alex committed that ultimately led to him being you know,

695
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 7: needing to indemnify chip Caanassi Racing and Chip Kanassi for

696
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 7: twelve million dollars which will in reality cost him and

697
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 7: the team a lot more going forward.

698
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: When you account for some other fees that are involved.

699
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's a lot.

700
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 6: Nathan Brown joins of Indie indiestar dot com and that's

701
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 6: where you can find this this Uh well, he's been writing.

702
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 6: You've been writing about this for quite some time, and

703
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: quite honestly, I'm glad it's been you and not me

704
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 6: to have to write this piece because there's there's just

705
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 6: so much intricacy and you know, really from a scope standpoint,

706
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 6: I was thinking I was struck by this, even though

707
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 6: you know we've talked.

708
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: About it a lot.

709
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 6: This not involved two race teams Aerol McLaren and ultimately

710
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 6: Chip Ganassi Racing indirectly, but it also is more than

711
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 6: Alex Palow. It really does involve Poddle Award to some degree,

712
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 6: It involves Nolan Siegel, it involves Teo Poucher, it involves

713
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 6: Calumilot or at least all the things that are happening

714
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 6: around these principal characters. There's so many more people involved.

715
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 6: I'm leaving out a couple David Malucas, and we're talking

716
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 6: about two continents and you know, multiple racing divisions. I mean,

717
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 6: this this has I think it's fair to say it's

718
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 6: it's probably in some form occupied the time or or

719
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 6: you've you've come across the names of about you know,

720
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 6: a fifth of the IndyCar Paddock over the last over

721
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 6: the last two or three years, and two different powerful teams.

722
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 6: I mean, this is really touched a lot of people.

723
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 6: In fact, Christian Lingard has mentioned in the story in

724
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 6: terms of finding out things about his contract, it really

725
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 6: the scope is pretty intense.

726
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you can add in Alexander Rossi and

727
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 7: there too Gavin Ward, Brian Barnhart, Tony Kanaan. Maybe not

728
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 7: principal players and all this, but all were mentioned and

729
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 7: we're you know, factored into the decision making process in

730
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 7: and around Aaron McLaren when some of this was going on. Yeah,

731
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 7: it's it's I think some of the more i would say,

732
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 7: maybe interesting parts of this along with just the you know,

733
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 7: the true legal matters at hand, here is just learning

734
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 7: some more about you know, the inner business workings around

735
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 7: the paddock, things like Aeric McClaren offering and ultimately the

736
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 7: handing Christian Linguard an option for twenty twenty five still

737
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 7: in December twenty twenty three, when he still had one

738
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 7: year left to race at Rayall Ederman Lanegan Racing that

739
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 7: it seems, although I haven't talked to Christian or Roll

740
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 7: or Aera McLaren, basically meant that Air McClairen had the

741
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 7: first option to be able to offer him a contract

742
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 7: until June first, and then July first when that was extended.

743
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 7: Things like, you know, the ways in which POTO Awards

744
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 7: salary has increased over the years, in some because of

745
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 7: the successes that he had on track, but also because

746
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 7: Alex Pulo ultimately left Aar McLaren high and dry and

747
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 7: they felt like they needed to lock down the driver

748
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 7: that they felt like was the foundation.

749
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: For them moving forward.

750
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 7: We just we don't hear about, you know, details about contracts.

751
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: Very often in this sport at all.

752
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 7: It's it's very very normal in the NBA, MLB, NHL,

753
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 7: NFL certainly, but it's just not something I think large

754
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 7: in part because we don't have collectively bargained, you know,

755
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 7: unions between the league and the drivers. That's that just

756
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 7: is not a oftentimes offered up as public information that

757
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 7: you you get lucky if you get you know, you know,

758
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 7: how long a driver is contracted to a team before

759
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 7: they enter a contract a year. Oftentimes you're just you know,

760
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 7: you certainly know this that you get the multi year

761
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 7: deal phrase in a press release and you don't know

762
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 7: if it's really truly a one year deal with a

763
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 7: whole bunch of options, because it's two or three year

764
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 7: deal without options. But so this, this court case uncovered

765
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 7: and kind of just made public a lot of that information.

766
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are plenty of those drivers, most.

767
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 7: Of them, if not all, that would have probably liked

768
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 7: that information to stay private.

769
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: I know, Potto. I guess it would have been.

770
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 7: The first race of the twenty twenty four season when

771
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 7: I broke that story about him getting a contract extension,

772
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 7: which was completely because that information was included in court

773
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 7: case documents that I had acquired. You know, drivers knew

774
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 7: then officially how much he was making and how much

775
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 7: he was set to make, and what kind of a

776
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 7: rays he got, and so some of that information getting

777
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 7: out there that I'm sure a lot of drivers kind

778
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 7: of talk about vaguely, or you know, maybe some of them,

779
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 7: you know, tell each other exactly what they're making. It

780
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 7: just made some of that information more public, and hopefully

781
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 7: that can be helpful to folks that find themselves that

782
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 7: the negotiating table moving forward.

783
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 6: So one of the things that struck me, Nathan Brown

784
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 6: of the Indianapolis Star joins us. So, one of the

785
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 6: things that struck me is we'll spend the summer this summer,

786
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 6: like every summer looking for looking toward essentially August first,

787
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 6: when decisions are ready to be made, and we think,

788
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 6: you know, teams are in contract negotiations or they're not

789
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 6: not until then, you know, we're going to play in

790
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 6: this silly season space in August or at the end

791
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 6: of July, like we know something. And I think what

792
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 6: the underlying thing continued to come to four in your

793
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 6: story is many of these decisions have been made long ago.

794
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 6: And it struck me. And I don't know if you

795
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: did this intentionally, but I certainly took it as such

796
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 6: that you were quoting people drivers saying, yeah, I don't

797
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 6: know what I'm going to be doing, or I don't

798
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 6: know how long I'm going to be here, when in

799
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 6: fact they knew all along, because the deals in some

800
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 6: cases are a year plus in the making. Does that

801
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 6: now change your perception of how quotes are given to

802
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: you about contracts.

803
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 7: The most notable of those, certainly that I think you're

805
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 7: referencing in the story was when.

806
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I remember the day fairly well.

807
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 7: It was Friday of the Detroit race weekend we're still

808
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 7: racing at bell Isle, and early June twenty twenty two

809
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 7: there started to be some rumors that Alex Polo was

810
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 7: either either being courted or pursuing the opportunity to race elsewhere.

811
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 7: At the end of that twenty twenty two season, there

812
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 7: were some talks that he might be interested in looking

813
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 7: towards Formula One, or that Formula One teams might have

814
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 7: an interest in him, And he told us at that

815
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 7: you know, media scrum that day.

816
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: Before practice got started, that.

817
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 7: You know, he had not signed anything since his first

818
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 7: contract with Ganassi. He you know, he kind of questioned

819
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 7: the idea of why would a Formula one you know,

820
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 7: if if Formula One teams weren't interested in me before

821
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 7: I won my championship, why would they have all that

822
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 7: much interested in me now just because I won a title,

823
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 7: you know. He I think even said maybe even then

824
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 7: that he felt like he was starting to get too

825
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 7: old to.

826
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: Be an F one rookie and that he.

827
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 7: Looked forward to spending a good time more at Chip

828
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 7: Ganassi Racing and wasn't worried about any contract stuff in reality,

829
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 7: which was maybe one of the most surprising and revealing

830
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 7: things to me in that document, that one hundred and

831
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 7: twenty four page decision document. I don't think it had

832
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 7: been out there before Alex actually signed that deal that

833
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 7: started all of this with McLaren and Aaron McLaren back

834
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 7: in March of twenty twenty two. It would have been

835
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 7: just a couple of days after the season opener that

836
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 7: season in Saint Pete. And what the documents also said

837
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 7: there was that, even though the two sides are in

838
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 7: dispute on who sparked the conversations, that Polo's management and

839
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 7: McLaren and Air McLaren had been in talks basically since

840
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 7: he hoisted the Astro Cup and won that championship in

841
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 7: twenty twenty one, even though you know, he still he

842
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 7: still had that twenty twenty two season with Ganassi to run,

843
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 7: and even though, as we would later learn, of course,

844
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 7: CGR had held a team option on Pulo until September

845
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 7: one of twenty twenty two, meaning that Alex could not

846
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 7: sign anywhere outside Ganassi for the twenty twenty three racing

847
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 7: season until September second, twenty twenty two. So he signed

848
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 7: this deal that ended up being voided let me do

849
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 7: some simple math six months essentially before he was legally

850
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 7: allowed to, and that kind of got this whole ball rolling.

851
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, when you I feel like, ultimately

852
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 7: all we really can go on are folks public words.

853
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 7: Sometimes in these situations you might know no more, either

854
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 7: on background or from a source who wishes to remain anonymous,

855
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 7: and you kind of have to weigh how and when

856
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 7: you use those situations. So in a different situation like this,

857
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 7: if I had actually known from someone who would I

858
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 7: guess would have been a first person source that Alex

859
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 7: had signed somewhere, or Alex had held talks with someone,

860
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 7: maybe I framed that differently. But at the time, all

861
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 7: we could really go on was Alex's word, and his

862
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 7: word was that he had no interest. So of course

863
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 7: that proved to be false, and that turned into this

864
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 7: three plus year saga that finally concluded here in January.

865
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 6: I guess I don't want to spoil tomorrow's story. Let's

866
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 6: let's get a little bit of a preview. So we

867
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 6: hear twelve million and there will be some other fees involved,

868
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 6: how much? Even if I know this is speculation and

869
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 6: maybe that's the fun of this whole thing. As we

870
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 6: sit back and watch it, do you think Alex is

871
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 6: on the hook for all that? Or is he up

872
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 6: for more than that you think? Or is this somebody

873
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 6: help him? What's your sense? I mean, this is a

874
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 6: twelve million dollars is not jump change?

875
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 7: No, it's not. He So he reviewed in uh, you know,

876
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 7: throughout the court process in you know, in UK commercial court.

877
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: Part of his testimony.

878
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was his testimony with his

879
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 7: lawyers or if he was being cross examined, but he

880
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 7: said publicly then back in October, I guess it would

881
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 7: have been that he has indeed indemnified Chippy Nan Sea Racing,

882
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 7: which means that they have agreed to cover his I guess,

883
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 7: cover his legal fees and any fees associated with any

884
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 7: potential lawsuit against McLaren and Aaron McLaren and that was

885
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 7: actually one of the terms or maybe an addendum and

886
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 7: a separate contract that Alex agreed to back on August first.

887
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three.

888
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 7: You you know, if we go back to that summer,

889
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 7: that was the time where you know, we got to

890
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 7: say May, for example, Alex won his first of a

891
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 7: runner races where I think he won four races in

892
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 7: five started on a poll for the five hundred. At

893
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 7: that time, it was, you know, the worst kept secret

894
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 7: in the paddock that he had signed a deal with

895
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 7: Aar McLaren that was known to be a multi year

896
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 7: deal starting in twenty twenty four. And that time, you know,

897
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 7: in the summer, it was right around when he you know,

898
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 7: he started to waffle a bit. Zach Brown I think

899
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 7: said in court that he, you know, that late July period,

900
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 7: he could tell that Alex was, you know, maybe starting

901
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 7: to be a little noncommittal. They were supposed to meet

902
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 7: up them and their families were supposed to meet up

903
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 7: at that Nashville Street race weekend that I think was

904
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 7: August like fourth through sixth something like that, and the

905
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 7: last communication they had was July thirty first, and on

906
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 7: August first, according to court, documents.

907
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: That was the day that Alex signed an.

908
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 7: Extension with chip Kannassi Racing through twenty twenty six, and

909
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 7: part of that, like I said, was CGI are agreeing

910
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 7: to cover Alex's legal fees.

911
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: I imagine Alex.

912
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 7: Certainly knew that he had signed this deal with McLaren,

913
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 7: that McLaren would not be happy, and that they would

914
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 7: likely come after him via the court process in some manner.

915
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: So Alex technically is not the one footing this bill

916
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 7: for the twelve million dollars, which also McLaren has requested

917
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 7: that their court fees be tacked onto that as well,

918
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 7: along with interest on the twelve million dollars. So if

919
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 7: McLaren wins both of those, you know those portions, when

920
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 7: you also take into account Polow's own legal fees, this

921
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 7: is you know, I've been told that this could approach

922
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 7: somewhere in the twenty five to thirty million dollar range

923
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 7: that Alex would theoretically be responsible for, but something that

924
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 7: CGR has agreed to pay on his behalf. Alex did

925
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 7: say in court that he is now I imagine that

926
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 7: was probably part of that negotiation maybe or maybe it's

927
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 7: something that's since been adjusted, but he has agreed to

928
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 7: what he believes to be take a lesser salary basically

929
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 7: to help offset the costs of ship Gannesse Racing defending

930
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 7: him in this lawsuit. So, you know, you go through

931
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 7: some of the figures that we know now, I think

932
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 7: you could easiably reasonably argue that Alex could be you know,

933
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 7: paid four or five six million dollars a year, depending

934
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 7: on who you know, what team is paying him, and

935
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 7: what you want to make of this successes that he

936
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 7: has had of late. I don't know what he's making

937
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 7: right now, but it sounds like it's several million less

938
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 7: than what it should be.

939
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: And essentially that's I.

940
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 7: Guess maybe the way that CGR is offsetting those costs

941
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 7: on you know, having now a four time champion on

942
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 7: their team and still be you know, being able to

943
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 7: keep that copa setic relationship.

944
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 6: Nathan Brown joined. Just let me let me close here

945
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 6: with a couple quick questions. One will address this first.

946
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 6: Alex has lived a pretty charmed Indie car life aside

947
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 6: from this this situation, I mean, the four championships in

948
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 6: five years, the nineteen race wins, the future that he

949
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 6: has ahead of him, do you think that as we

950
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 6: move forward this Does this put any kind of a

951
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 6: Do you think he carries this from a public standpoint

952
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 6: or is it just a lot of legal stuff and

953
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 6: people rich people having arguments.

954
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: I think in time.

955
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 7: This will kind of become some sort of a footnote

956
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 7: to be in part because I think he probably I

957
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 7: don't know that he's legally obligated to, but when you

958
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 7: think of Chipknassi Racing paying that amount of money to

959
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 7: help him out, I would imagine that someone in his

960
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 7: position would feel in d to cgr and would lead

961
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 7: me to believe he's likely to, you know, have a

962
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 7: career kind of like Scott Dixon where he stays in

963
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 7: place for most.

964
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Of, if not all, of the rest of his career.

965
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 7: And if he continues to have these successes and he

966
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 7: doesn't attempt to or actually move teams, this you know,

967
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 7: kind of becomes you know, much further down paragraph wise

968
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 7: when you're talking about describing his career years down the road.

969
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: Now, if we get.

970
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 7: Into something else where you know, teams feel like they

971
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 7: can't really trust his word if they're approaching him in

972
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 7: free agency, or he actually moves, and we get some

973
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 7: sort of additional chapter two, all of this then maybe

974
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 7: this crops up. But I have to kind of think

975
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 7: that this all moves very much, even more so into

976
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 7: the background than it had been the last year or so.

977
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, and my follow up was going to be, do

978
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 6: you think this further solidifies his future at CGR And

979
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 6: I think the answer that's yes, Yeah. I think it'd

980
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 6: be hard to walk away when somebody had had done

981
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 6: as much for you as it appears Chip Ganassi has

982
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 6: done for Alex Blow.

983
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating story.

984
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 4: You know.

985
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 6: It's hard for me to get my head around the

986
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 6: fact that this is a four year story, you know,

987
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 6: to some people, we've been hearing about it, talking about it.

988
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 6: But when you're as a reporter, when you're deeply involved,

989
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 6: as you and others have been, it's there aren't many

990
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 6: things that you can kind of put your hands around

991
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 6: and say, wow, that's been three or four years of

992
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 6: my professional life.

993
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 7: So yeah, And I mean part of you know, just

994
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 7: kind of like the day to day part of all

995
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 7: of this, I mean, getting you know, from the start

996
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 7: of the UK commercial court process to now, I guess

997
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 7: probably ending when I finished my full time time on

998
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 7: the indiecar Beat back in the fall. I mean I

999
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 7: was on the court documents page hit page literally every

1000
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 7: single day, hitting the refreshed front and see if there

1001
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 7: was something new to download and pay for. It's just

1002
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 7: kind of part of the process. It's it's something that

1003
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 7: you kind of like a box you have to check

1004
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 7: every single day because you know it's this big of

1005
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 7: a story, and every single update to it, or court

1006
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 7: filing or argument to this over.

1007
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: The course of the last couple of years could lead

1008
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: to a.

1009
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 7: New important nugget that we didn't know before. And so

1010
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 7: it very much has felt like a you know, almost

1011
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 7: daily part of my life for the better part of

1012
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 7: two years, especially since the McLaren versus Pullo part of

1013
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 7: this really kicked off.

1014
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 6: Yep, Nathan Brown, Indistar dot com. It's a fascinating read

1015
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 6: the timeline, and tomorrow there'll be more stories, I guess. Lastly,

1016
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 6: are you going to be back to cover the help

1017
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 6: cover the Indy five hundred You've you've kind of moved

1018
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 6: on to help cover the colts in the NFL. Are

1019
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 6: you going to have some more indiecurr involvement.

1020
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: I definitely will. I will be back in the month

1021
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: of May.

1022
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 7: I don't know what those you know, stories or projects

1023
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 7: will be that I will be working on yet, but

1024
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 7: definitely will be back in the month of May as

1025
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 7: much as they will have me, or as much as

1026
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 7: news around the Colts allows me too. But that's typically

1027
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 7: a little bit of a lull after we get past

1028
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 7: the NFL Draft. I think the Colts have some on

1029
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 7: field activities during the month of May, but I think

1030
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 7: the plan is for me to be around helping out

1031
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 7: our new Indiecar reporters, Zion Brown, who will be in

1032
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 7: his first you know, in the thick of his first

1033
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 7: full season covering the five hundred and the Indie Car Series.

1034
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 7: He's already hit the ground running, but look forward to

1035
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 7: getting back and having another opportunity to you know, really

1036
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 7: dig in on some larger stories like this one was here.

1037
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 6: Yep, Nathan Brown, Zion Brown, Zach Brown. They're not related,

1038
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 6: they all don't live in the same house here in Indianapolis,

1039
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 6: but it's a it's an interesting time. Hey, thanks for

1040
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 6: taking a couple of minutes. We'll be back in just

1041
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 6: a minute. See what we missed some track side. Hi,

1042
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 6: this is Rene Speak and you're listening to trek side.

1043
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: Okay, final segment and what we missed One thing we

1044
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: missed is understanding why Hunter mackell is in an ed

1045
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: carpenter car at the Sebring test. Marshall Prutt wrote something

1046
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: that includes the afternoon test times and mentions that ECR

1047
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: did a test. I guess it would have been before

1048
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: the new year that counted against their allotment for this year,

1049
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: so they don't really have a test day, so they

1050
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: can use mcilray for a rookie evaluation test to have

1051
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: some presence there. So there is that. And remember this

1052
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: is not an open test. Not everyone is invited to

1053
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: a com You have to use this as one of

1054
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 3: your limited amount of test days. So good for Hunter

1055
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: and the team still gets some information as well. Mentioned

1056
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 3: the Polo was fastest in the morning session. He topped

1057
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: the day as you would expect it's better conditions. In

1058
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: the morning it was Polo Rose and Quiz with the

1059
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: Ganassi technical partnership with Meyer Shank Racing than Renus, vk Newgarden, Kirkwood, Potto, Ericsson, Rayhall,

1060
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: Malucas Collette Grojean Schumacher in the morning session. Afternoon another

1061
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: Ganassi connection Meyer Shank looking Strong, Marcus Armstrong fastest couple

1062
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: of tenths behind what Poalo did from the morning. Then

1063
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: Scott McLaughlin Sting Ray Rob was atop the charts much

1064
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 3: of the day, and I mentioned reenas Vik also strong

1065
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: in the morning, so good start for Hunko's Hollinger Racing.

1066
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: Then Kiff and Simpson, Louis Foster, Nolan Siegel, Dixon, Ferrucci, Power,

1067
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: Hauger Loonguard round out the day. The afternoon separated by

1068
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: nine tenths the flip flop That afternoon group will go

1069
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 3: in the morning tomorrow and vice versa. We will talk

1070
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 3: again next Tuesday night. So we've got a little more

1071
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: than a week before we convene again. Daytona five hundred

1072
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: is this weekend truck race, Exfinity.

1073
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 2: Race and much more.

1074
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: And if you need some basketball, I'll be doing the

1075
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: Butler's Seaton Hall game kind of opposite the Daytona five

1076
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: hundred six o'clock on FS one coming up on Sunday afternoon.

1077
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you next Tuesday. Thanks for joining us

1078
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: on track side.