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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be and time to catch up with clinical psychologists

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Speaker 2: Google Sutherland, who is looking at the break and thinking

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Speaker 2: about how best to make the most of it. I think, honestly, Google,

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Speaker 2: that half of New Zealand has decided to take off

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Speaker 2: those days between Easter and Anzac Day. Three days means

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Speaker 2: you get what like ten holidays or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, It's one of those real bonuses, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Where you go, wow, I'm doing that, and I'm kind

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Speaker 3: of looking forward to Thursday when I clock off and go, wow,

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Speaker 3: I just days off. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I thought it was really timely to think about how

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Speaker 3: we can maximize our leave because you know, lots of

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Speaker 3: people are going away and at school holidays, and you

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Speaker 3: know people are I heard on the news earlier that

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Speaker 3: you know, people are going to Bali and Vietnam and

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Speaker 3: you know all these other exotic places. I said, wow,

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't it be good to give some people some

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Speaker 3: good tips on it nice how to maximize it.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love that because you have my kind of approach

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Speaker 2: to this sort of thing, right, my wife always teases

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Speaker 2: me and says that because I'm all about optimizing time.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of the ethos through which I shaped my

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Speaker 2: entire life. So, for example, like she teases me because

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Speaker 2: when I brush my teeth, I will be listening to

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Speaker 2: a podcast on one point five speed. Like I'm I'm like,

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Speaker 2: well that's good time.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I could be brushing my teeth and learning, or I

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Speaker 2: could just be brushing my teeth and she would never

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Speaker 2: ever do that. But I like every little moment that

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Speaker 2: I get, I'm like, I gotta seize it.

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Speaker 3: You know. That's interesting because I've just backed away from

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Speaker 3: doing that a little bit. I'm just trying to really

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Speaker 3: focus on doing one thing at a time. Yes, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's been even even this sounds weird. Even when

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Speaker 3: I walk, I'm just trying to really not because I

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Speaker 3: sound like I walk really fast and I feel really

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Speaker 3: stress because I'm really fast. Yea, yeah, yeah, the only

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Speaker 3: reason I feel stressed was because I'm walking fast so slow,

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Speaker 3: you're so yeah, but I used to be like that.

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Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of my lifetime brush chief and

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Speaker 3: ConA cat, and with my foot I will stir the

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Speaker 3: pot as well. Yeah, and then yeah, you know, it's like.

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Speaker 2: That's how well I wanted to see. Then if you

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Speaker 2: could see the irony and in trying to like maximize

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Speaker 2: or optimize a holiday, because some people will say the

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Speaker 2: whole purpose of a holiday is not to worry about

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Speaker 2: that stuff and is not to like try and squeeze

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Speaker 2: every little bit of goodness out of that time. You know,

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Speaker 2: the whole purpose is actually.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true. But also it's I guess I'm

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Speaker 3: coming at it from how can you make the most

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Speaker 3: of it? Like is there a way that if you're

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Speaker 3: going to be on holiday you actually get the most

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Speaker 3: benefit out of it? And and it's interesting because for

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Speaker 3: a long time in psychology world people there was a

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Speaker 3: bit of debate about whether the psychologist, sorry, whether holidays

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Speaker 3: were actually particularly helpful for our well being. There was

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Speaker 3: sort of no strong research around it. But they've done

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Speaker 3: a big sort of you know, they every now and

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Speaker 3: then again they do this big mess where they look

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Speaker 3: at all the studies and go, actually, we can draw conclusions,

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Speaker 3: and they found that indeed, yes, the holiday, no surprise, Really,

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Speaker 3: holidays are good for us to recharge. And again, no surprise,

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Speaker 3: the longer the holiday, the better for us.

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Speaker 2: But what iarch, well.

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Speaker 3: Well somebody would have been paid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But the thing that I sort of found interesting

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Speaker 3: was that they said, actually that what they found was

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Speaker 3: that lying around for the whole holiday doing completely nothing

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Speaker 3: was actually less helpful for us. You've got a lot

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Speaker 3: less benefit than if you were doing physical activities and socializing.

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Speaker 3: And that's not to say, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 3: days were enoughternoon lying on the beach just reading your

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Speaker 3: book and you know, is not I'm not saying that's

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Speaker 3: not helpful, but doing that for entire ten days you

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Speaker 3: don't get as much half as much benefit than if

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Speaker 3: you were, you know, sozing and doing some kind of

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Speaker 3: physical activity. So the idea of being out there and

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Speaker 3: active when you come back, you get much more benefit

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Speaker 3: from that than if you've just been lying around doing nothing.

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Speaker 2: Really, that's very interesting. I wonder why that is. I

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Speaker 2: guess it's like treating your body.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm surprised. I'm maybe a bit surprised

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Speaker 2: with that because I'm not I'm an active relaxer like

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, again, so listening to a podcast on

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Speaker 2: one point five time speed while listening while brushing my teeth.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can imagine what I'm like on holiday,

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Speaker 2: But I know that a lot of people swear by

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Speaker 2: the sitting by the pool, you know, reading a book,

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Speaker 2: sitting on the couch kind of situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look weirdly enough, because I've done that too, and

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Speaker 3: it wasn't actually that long ago, maybe at Christmas it was,

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Speaker 3: and I had a period of doing that, and I

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Speaker 3: actually got a little bit bored in the inn, just

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Speaker 3: another day sitting in the sun reading a book, And

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Speaker 3: I think there's something rejuvenating about actually getting out there

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Speaker 3: and doing, you know, doing some activities and so socializing too.

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Speaker 3: You know, we do get a lot of you know,

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Speaker 3: recharge our well being from contact with other people and

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Speaker 3: from that socializing. So you know, you could combine the two,

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Speaker 3: of course you could. You could sit by the pool

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Speaker 3: or sit by the beach and do that with other people,

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Speaker 3: and then you kind of and then then it's probably

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Speaker 3: that's probably hitting at least some of what you want

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Speaker 3: to do. It's interesting too, they found that the benefits

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Speaker 3: of holidays last up to about forty three days, and

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Speaker 3: if you work that out, that's roughly six weeks. And

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Speaker 3: I've always been well for a little while now, I've

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Speaker 3: been a big advocate of trying to plan every six

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Speaker 3: weeks having some sort of holiday, whether that's just a

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Speaker 3: long weekend or it's just the day off. So I

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Speaker 3: think that really holds up that sort of idea about

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Speaker 3: every six weeks do something now. And also too, just

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Speaker 3: just from a personal point of view, if you can

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Speaker 3: switch off, if you can mentally disconnect from your work,

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Speaker 3: that's really really, really key to to really having a

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Speaker 3: good holiday. So it's not going to work so well

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Speaker 3: if you've got your device with you or you know,

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Speaker 3: well I'll just take my phone just in case, you know,

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Speaker 3: And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, you really

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Speaker 3: want to cut that cord with work and just completely

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Speaker 3: mentally detached, and you'll get much more benefit out of

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Speaker 3: being away. Again, that's probably not you know, it's not

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Speaker 3: kind of startling revelation, but it's kind of good to

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Speaker 3: have it confirmed that that's a really useful thing.

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Speaker 2: To do, and it just reminds you to be purposeful

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Speaker 2: about it. So, for example, I like, especially over the

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Speaker 2: summer break is kind of my biggest break of the year,

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Speaker 2: and I always like my last day of work, the

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Speaker 2: last thing I do is that I turn the notifications

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Speaker 2: off my emails, and then I remove the emails from

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Speaker 2: the home screen on my phone, so that even if

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Speaker 2: I am like looking at my phone kind of subconsciously,

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Speaker 2: I'm not reminded of emails, you know.

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Speaker 3: Little Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I've just learned

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Speaker 3: to turn off my my email notifications on my on

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Speaker 3: my iPad. I used to They used to keep popping up.

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Speaker 3: What the heck? Why am I doing this? This is

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Speaker 3: nuts because I would, you know, would automatically remind me

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Speaker 3: of work again. It's like, no, no, no, I don't

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Speaker 3: need to do that. Yeah, and I can. I have

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Speaker 3: to remember to turn them on again. But that's that's

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Speaker 3: all right. And people will always get hold of you.

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Speaker 3: I say, really really really need you, you know, some

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Speaker 3: major crisis that people can get hold of you. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: anything like that where you can just absolutely switch off

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Speaker 3: that the better you'll be in terms of making the

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Speaker 3: most of that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. He very good, Thank you Googles's.

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Speaker 2: That is really interesting research. I'm surprised it's only six

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Speaker 2: weeks though, well maybe I'm not. You know how sometimes

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Speaker 2: you come back from a holiday and you feel like

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Speaker 2: two weeks lady, if you're letting need another one, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I guess six weeks is the absolute maximum host. So

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Speaker 2: in an ideal world, we all need to be structuring

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Speaker 2: in little breaks every forty three days. Doogle Sutherland with

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Speaker 2: us from Umbrella Wellbeing. We'll put all of those tips

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Speaker 2: Ford Slash Jack.

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