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Speaker 4: Smith with me as always Liam Napier, Rugby writer for

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Speaker 4: The New Zealand Herald. Liam, we had to put the

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Speaker 4: I mentioned it on Twitter that we would not be

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Speaker 4: on this week. Well, we come in and record the podcast.

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Speaker 4: In the wake of the All Blacks Rugby Championship squad

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Speaker 4: being named, there are forty two names on the team

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Speaker 4: sheet named by Scott Robertson and co. Today, six of

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Speaker 4: the players injury cover this squad to cover the entire

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Speaker 4: Rugby Championship, hence why there are so many players covering

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Speaker 4: for other players in the squad. We got an update

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Speaker 4: last week around the injuries Liam and then today we

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Speaker 4: in the injury cover list uncapped players Tavita Maffalo, Carl

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Speaker 4: Preston and Leroy Carter. We see Finlay Christie's name back

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Speaker 4: So where do you want to start? What stands out

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Speaker 4: to you most from this squad? Oh, it's a big squad,

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Speaker 4: isn't it? Forty two players?

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Speaker 6: And I think that well, they clearly will be a

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Speaker 6: lot of comings and goings throughout this tournament, particularly in

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Speaker 6: the I think the All Blacks are taking thirty seven

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Speaker 6: won't theren Scott Robertson will be an expert juggler by

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Speaker 6: the end of this tournament. I guess the new faces

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Speaker 6: always stand out don't they So, Simon Parker, we knew

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Speaker 6: the All Blacks were keeping a very close eye on him.

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Speaker 6: One hundred and nineteen cag's close to two meters to

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Speaker 6: I think one point nine to five meters. Twenty five

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Speaker 6: year olds really stoot out for the Chiefs this year.

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Speaker 6: Scott Robinson talked about how accurate he was as well

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Speaker 6: excited to see Kyle Preston in that mix. I think

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Speaker 6: he's a guy that appeals, he's quick, he's got great support,

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Speaker 6: Robinson today labeled him the fastest man in New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: What about you, Yeah, the one that stands out to

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Speaker 4: for the Tunny Far this weekend in the NPC, before

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Speaker 4: But when he's been on the park this year, it

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Speaker 5: That's right, and he will get a chance.

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Speaker 6: But that six jersey does still feel open. You've got

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Speaker 6: that up. Simon Parker. Another option, Wallace Titi comes back

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Speaker 4: Let's hear what Scott Robinson said about Simon Parker at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good timing, you know, like Fisher just want

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Scott Robinson there on Simon Parkers. So the loose

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Speaker 6: Yeah, after only having five four July, it is a

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Speaker 5: All similar sort of players.

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Speaker 6: Aren't they quite dynamic, very good with ball in hands, mobile,

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Speaker 6: So I think it's a good mix there. The spotlight

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Speaker 6: for me, though, Earliot shines brightest on the halfback Runks

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Speaker 6: and because the All Blacks aren't going to be able

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Speaker 6: Rygad for me is firmly in the conversation for the

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Speaker 6: He's only played twelve tests, but his influence has been

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Speaker 6: Noah Hotham as well, who was pushing to be the

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Speaker 5: Are you worried about that mix?

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Speaker 4: I am, Actually I think there's a real drop off

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Speaker 4: I thought hoping was good off the bench and that

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Speaker 4: They're nipping at his heels and I think Ratama hasn't

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Speaker 4: So I think it's won a big opportunity for cause Isratima,

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Speaker 6: I think back to last year when Ratima came in

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Speaker 4: Well. Finlay Christie very much a defensive halfback. That's why

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Speaker 4: he was selected for a long time in the All

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Speaker 4: it seems like this could be an opportunity for Christy

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Speaker 4: think it's a big opportunity for him. There was a

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Speaker 4: he is eligible for Scotland as well. If he plays

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven, So big opportunity for someone like Finlay Christie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope he gets a chance.

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Speaker 6: Eliza's size, doesn't he? He tough and resilient, very good, defensively,

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Speaker 3: Forward, I think, oh boonfo. He was a head of

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Speaker 3: welcome into the deal Blacks and keep working on that craft.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna bring a lot of energy. Question but I

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Speaker 4: Carter being talked about by Scott Robertson, there multiple positions

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think what's edge muffoleo and as he can

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Speaker 5: He's listed as unavailable.

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Speaker 6: He hasn't played a lot of rugby this year, but

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Speaker 2: Well they can. I'm sure they can manipulate it somehow.

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Speaker 6: And I thought Arkoy was pretty much with the Blacks

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Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean Josh Lord things interesting because he has barely

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and there were whispers that it was you know,

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Speaker 2: Interested.

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Speaker 4: So he's doing a bit of acting in his downtime

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Speaker 4: two option could be a possibility for The All. Blacks

436
00:21:38,293 --> 00:21:41,373
Speaker 4: do you see them doing this at, all whether it's Against,

437
00:21:41,413 --> 00:21:44,413
Speaker 4: Argentina South, Africa australia at all in The Rapey.

438
00:21:44,453 --> 00:21:46,973
Speaker 6: Championship, YEAH i think it is something they will and

439
00:21:47,093 --> 00:21:51,053
Speaker 6: probably should. Try just it's something that we've. Seen it's

440
00:21:51,053 --> 00:21:52,813
Speaker 6: a lot more common, now isn't. It The british And

441
00:21:52,813 --> 00:21:56,533
Speaker 6: Irish lions went that way in The Third, test and

442
00:21:57,533 --> 00:21:59,493
Speaker 6: we've seen it From South africa And england and.

443
00:22:00,253 --> 00:22:00,893
Speaker 5: Others AND.

444
00:22:02,853 --> 00:22:04,653
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's more important now but that

445
00:22:04,813 --> 00:22:08,133
Speaker 6: The ford platform and the way substitutes are used to

446
00:22:08,413 --> 00:22:11,413
Speaker 6: roll off the. Bench even The french In july would

447
00:22:12,253 --> 00:22:14,453
Speaker 6: throw on four or five forwards at, once and it

448
00:22:14,533 --> 00:22:17,253
Speaker 6: does and it can really can change the complexion of

449
00:22:17,333 --> 00:22:19,373
Speaker 6: a match that've seen the Spring box with their bomb,

450
00:22:19,453 --> 00:22:23,453
Speaker 6: squad and with the versatility of some of The All

451
00:22:23,493 --> 00:22:26,093
Speaker 6: blacks loose, forwards you know potentially some of them could

452
00:22:26,133 --> 00:22:30,013
Speaker 6: slide out and cover the backs if. Necessary SO i

453
00:22:30,093 --> 00:22:32,093
Speaker 6: think it's something we will see from The All blacks

454
00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:34,293
Speaker 6: and probably should at at some. Point but it does

455
00:22:34,413 --> 00:22:37,253
Speaker 6: come with a degree of risk if you lose a pivotal,

456
00:22:37,333 --> 00:22:37,813
Speaker 6: back it.

457
00:22:37,933 --> 00:22:40,253
Speaker 4: Does, indeed we can assume though the rest of the

458
00:22:40,293 --> 00:22:43,613
Speaker 4: injured players in the squad will be fit for. Selection

459
00:22:43,693 --> 00:22:45,773
Speaker 4: there was an update obviously issued last week with players

460
00:22:45,853 --> 00:22:49,453
Speaker 4: like A boat And Barrett Scott barrett all expected to

461
00:22:49,493 --> 00:22:50,773
Speaker 4: be fit for that First test in Card.

462
00:22:50,813 --> 00:22:52,973
Speaker 2: Over and it's going to be a tough, tour this

463
00:22:53,093 --> 00:22:54,693
Speaker 2: one In, argentina isn't. It it?

464
00:22:54,853 --> 00:22:58,493
Speaker 6: IS i think To Mighty williams probably for the Second.

465
00:22:58,573 --> 00:23:01,253
Speaker 6: Test sounds like he'll be. Fits just one other. Thing

466
00:23:01,613 --> 00:23:05,973
Speaker 6: riccowani is officially listed as an outside, back so transition

467
00:23:06,213 --> 00:23:07,893
Speaker 6: does that draw a line through him.

468
00:23:08,413 --> 00:23:12,893
Speaker 4: To don't think for Good i'm willing to leave the

469
00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:16,293
Speaker 4: door open. THERE i look at the midfielders that they've

470
00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,213
Speaker 4: got Then At brown can obviously play, Center Quinta pie

471
00:23:19,373 --> 00:23:21,613
Speaker 4: can play center as, well hasn't done a lot of it.

472
00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:24,813
Speaker 4: Recently Billy procter has been first choice during the season

473
00:23:24,893 --> 00:23:28,173
Speaker 4: And Tava nahai as. Well COULD i think play a.

474
00:23:28,293 --> 00:23:32,813
Speaker 4: Center so probably not in the foreseeable, future BUT i

475
00:23:32,813 --> 00:23:36,053
Speaker 4: wouldn't rule out perhaps a change of thinking. Again, again

476
00:23:36,213 --> 00:23:38,293
Speaker 4: AS i mentioned just, BEFORE i think the wings can

477
00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:41,413
Speaker 4: change pretty quickly In test. RUGBY i think he's still

478
00:23:41,453 --> 00:23:42,973
Speaker 4: got a lot to offer At test. Rugby whether it

479
00:23:43,093 --> 00:23:44,413
Speaker 4: is on the wing or it seem TO i don't,

480
00:23:44,493 --> 00:23:48,053
Speaker 4: know BUT i wouldn't be willing to draw a line

481
00:23:48,053 --> 00:23:48,413
Speaker 4: through it just.

482
00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:51,773
Speaker 6: Yet it does feel like his career is in an

483
00:23:51,813 --> 00:23:53,933
Speaker 6: interesting stage as, well though he's going To lenster next

484
00:23:54,053 --> 00:23:58,973
Speaker 6: year for a. Sabbatical fallen out of favor at, center

485
00:23:59,853 --> 00:24:02,573
Speaker 6: probably hasn't nailed his opportunities on the wing as, yet

486
00:24:02,933 --> 00:24:05,613
Speaker 6: hadn't played on the wing for three four years prior

487
00:24:05,693 --> 00:24:07,973
Speaker 6: to this, year so in a wee bit of a

488
00:24:08,013 --> 00:24:11,413
Speaker 6: state of flux rego interesting to see how he performs

489
00:24:11,613 --> 00:24:14,133
Speaker 6: and where that evolves to over the next six to twelve.

490
00:24:14,173 --> 00:24:19,773
Speaker 4: Months, indeed fascinating squad named By Scott robertson for This Rugby.

491
00:24:19,933 --> 00:24:23,173
Speaker 4: Championship the first test is on the seventeenth Of, August

492
00:24:23,213 --> 00:24:25,813
Speaker 4: New zealand time nine to ten kick Offf you can

493
00:24:25,813 --> 00:24:26,373
Speaker 4: hear it ON us.

494
00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:27,933
Speaker 2: Talk Zbig Gold sport And.

495
00:24:28,453 --> 00:24:32,053
Speaker 4: iHeartRadio The british And Irish lions series wrapped up over

496
00:24:32,133 --> 00:24:36,333
Speaker 4: the weekend In, Australia australia getting back a consolation win

497
00:24:36,573 --> 00:24:40,493
Speaker 4: to won the final test score and that was a

498
00:24:40,573 --> 00:24:42,933
Speaker 4: fascinating game of rugby in so many. WAYS i don't

499
00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:45,653
Speaker 4: know where to, Start, liam But Australia selwidge a little

500
00:24:45,653 --> 00:24:48,973
Speaker 4: bit of respect out of that series and take the

501
00:24:49,053 --> 00:24:52,373
Speaker 4: game to the. Lines, yeah what did you make OF

502
00:24:52,693 --> 00:24:54,733
Speaker 4: i guess the last couple of, tests given we weren't

503
00:24:54,733 --> 00:24:55,493
Speaker 4: here last, WEEK.

504
00:24:56,253 --> 00:25:00,093
Speaker 6: I think the last two performances from The wallaby show

505
00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:04,213
Speaker 6: they were. Underdone excuse me for that First test which

506
00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:09,933
Speaker 6: they were hugely underwhelming and they lacked, size the impact

507
00:25:10,013 --> 00:25:14,213
Speaker 6: and influence from guys Like Will, Skelton Rob. Valentini in

508
00:25:14,253 --> 00:25:17,133
Speaker 6: that second, Test Tom hooper was mad at the. Match

509
00:25:17,213 --> 00:25:22,293
Speaker 6: in the third they And Nick white not a huge

510
00:25:22,653 --> 00:25:26,653
Speaker 6: fan of his, necessarily but The wallabies really got under

511
00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:32,013
Speaker 6: The lion's skin and they were hugely competitive on the.

512
00:25:32,053 --> 00:25:35,173
Speaker 6: WHOLE i think the aggregate score there's one point separates

513
00:25:35,253 --> 00:25:40,573
Speaker 6: them across that. SERIES i think That lions team was massively.

514
00:25:40,653 --> 00:25:47,213
Speaker 6: OVERHYPED i think The wallabies got better and The lions

515
00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:50,293
Speaker 6: probably got. Worse but, yeah that Third test was, bizarre

516
00:25:50,293 --> 00:25:53,733
Speaker 6: Wasn't it was streaming down with, rain there was a

517
00:25:53,813 --> 00:25:58,053
Speaker 6: forty minute break for the lightning. Strikes The LIONS i

518
00:25:58,093 --> 00:26:00,173
Speaker 6: don't want to say they checked, out but they certainly

519
00:26:00,253 --> 00:26:03,133
Speaker 6: didn't seem to be anywhere near the same level they

520
00:26:03,173 --> 00:26:04,213
Speaker 6: were in previous weeks as.

521
00:26:04,253 --> 00:26:06,293
Speaker 4: Well got the impression that they'd been on the hose

522
00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:09,653
Speaker 4: for a few days and was so clebrating and. Realized

523
00:26:09,733 --> 00:26:11,573
Speaker 4: and remember they had A test match to play on The.

524
00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:14,093
Speaker 4: Saturday didn't feel like a performance that they would have

525
00:26:14,133 --> 00:26:18,253
Speaker 4: put in if the series was won all and so

526
00:26:18,613 --> 00:26:21,573
Speaker 4: to give The wallabies heaps the, Credit i'll probably stop

527
00:26:21,613 --> 00:26:24,453
Speaker 4: a little bit short of, that just because The. Lions

528
00:26:24,493 --> 00:26:26,333
Speaker 4: it was a dead Rubber test match as much as

529
00:26:26,333 --> 00:26:28,493
Speaker 4: The test match can. Be BUT i still thought The,

530
00:26:28,493 --> 00:26:31,213
Speaker 4: wallabies you, know played some rugby and as you, SAY

531
00:26:31,493 --> 00:26:33,013
Speaker 4: i think they got better over the course of the,

532
00:26:33,093 --> 00:26:37,693
Speaker 4: series and clearly The lions got. Worse they landed In

533
00:26:37,693 --> 00:26:40,573
Speaker 4: australia beat all The super rugby sides in front of

534
00:26:40,573 --> 00:26:43,133
Speaker 4: them beat The Australian New, zealand SO i beat THE pacifica.

535
00:26:43,213 --> 00:26:44,813
Speaker 2: Side but The tests were a lot harder.

536
00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:47,933
Speaker 4: Going and you know it's easy to look back now

537
00:26:48,053 --> 00:26:50,853
Speaker 4: and again prefacing that with my comments THAT i don't

538
00:26:50,893 --> 00:26:52,253
Speaker 4: think The lions would have played like they did On

539
00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:54,413
Speaker 4: saturday night if the series isn't won. All but that

540
00:26:54,533 --> 00:26:57,373
Speaker 4: big decision right at the ends of the second match

541
00:26:58,053 --> 00:26:58,853
Speaker 4: changed the course of the.

542
00:26:58,933 --> 00:27:01,653
Speaker 6: Series it, did, Absolutely and if you're A wallabyes, fan

543
00:27:02,813 --> 00:27:05,893
Speaker 6: you'd be you'd have claims to sit back and say they.

544
00:27:05,853 --> 00:27:06,493
Speaker 5: Were robbed of the.

545
00:27:06,533 --> 00:27:10,053
Speaker 6: Series, yeah, absolutely AND i don't believe that because it

546
00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:12,253
Speaker 6: wasn't just one. Decision The wallabies are. Up it was

547
00:27:12,293 --> 00:27:15,693
Speaker 6: it twenty three to. Five they played extremely well for

548
00:27:15,973 --> 00:27:18,773
Speaker 6: probably thirty thirty five minutes and then let the lines back.

549
00:27:18,813 --> 00:27:22,053
Speaker 6: In so, yeah that that decision is a real flip

550
00:27:22,093 --> 00:27:25,853
Speaker 6: of the. Coin but The wallabies blew that Second. Test but,

551
00:27:26,213 --> 00:27:29,293
Speaker 6: yeah the PERFORMANCES i think speak To Joe schmidt the

552
00:27:29,413 --> 00:27:33,493
Speaker 6: job he's. Done there's some SELECTIONS i didn't necessarily agree

553
00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:35,133
Speaker 6: with the cross that, series but a lot of them

554
00:27:35,173 --> 00:27:38,973
Speaker 6: came good and what a salvage Job joe has done

555
00:27:39,013 --> 00:27:41,053
Speaker 6: with that team and it's going to be an incredibly

556
00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:43,813
Speaker 6: tough job For Liz kiss to come in after The Rugby.

557
00:27:43,893 --> 00:27:47,453
Speaker 6: Championship some big performances from The. Wallabies they're back three

558
00:27:47,573 --> 00:27:49,573
Speaker 6: played really. Well Tom wright as a superb for.

559
00:27:49,693 --> 00:27:51,653
Speaker 2: Football, Yeah Lenny.

560
00:27:51,853 --> 00:27:54,373
Speaker 6: AKTAU i think he had the most line breaks across the.

561
00:27:54,453 --> 00:27:58,773
Speaker 6: Series he was strong in the. Midfield joseph Sue LEE

562
00:27:58,973 --> 00:28:03,093
Speaker 6: i think still has some vulnerabilities on, defense but he's

563
00:28:03,133 --> 00:28:03,613
Speaker 6: a talented.

564
00:28:03,653 --> 00:28:04,253
Speaker 5: Footballer And.

565
00:28:06,173 --> 00:28:06,333
Speaker 3: Nick.

566
00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:08,653
Speaker 6: Frost you know there's a lot made of will skelt,

567
00:28:08,733 --> 00:28:10,653
Speaker 6: him but he was huge in that Second, test some

568
00:28:10,773 --> 00:28:14,013
Speaker 6: big line out. Wins quite an underrated PRESENCE i think

569
00:28:14,053 --> 00:28:14,773
Speaker 6: in That wallaby's.

570
00:28:14,813 --> 00:28:18,133
Speaker 4: Pack absolutely every WEEK i come on and SAY i

571
00:28:18,173 --> 00:28:21,013
Speaker 4: won't bag THE tmo Because i'm trying not So i'm

572
00:28:21,093 --> 00:28:24,773
Speaker 4: really trying not to do that on the podcast BECAUSE

573
00:28:24,773 --> 00:28:26,173
Speaker 4: i don't want to be a one trick. Pony but

574
00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:31,333
Speaker 4: what Was Murray shanka doing on the weekend didn't intervene

575
00:28:31,413 --> 00:28:35,813
Speaker 4: in the line of clean? Out Dan sheen's now in

576
00:28:35,933 --> 00:28:39,733
Speaker 4: facing the music At World Rugby's Disciplinary committee as a

577
00:28:39,773 --> 00:28:42,093
Speaker 4: result of, it then comes in for When Nick white

578
00:28:42,213 --> 00:28:44,933
Speaker 4: was jogging alongside A lions, player what On earth Was

579
00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:46,573
Speaker 4: Murray shanka doing on the weekend.

580
00:28:46,453 --> 00:28:50,253
Speaker 6: As bizarre to miss that clean out and like you, say,

581
00:28:51,853 --> 00:28:55,853
Speaker 6: yes it's just baffling sort of stuff and that's what

582
00:28:56,093 --> 00:29:02,053
Speaker 6: leaves yeah people. Frustrated, yeah you want the game to.

583
00:29:02,133 --> 00:29:05,253
Speaker 6: Flow you only want intervention when it's totally, necessary and

584
00:29:05,373 --> 00:29:07,453
Speaker 6: it's just a terrible look when THE tmo comes in

585
00:29:07,533 --> 00:29:08,693
Speaker 6: and the referee to mu is.

586
00:29:08,733 --> 00:29:09,053
Speaker 1: It so.

587
00:29:11,693 --> 00:29:13,453
Speaker 4: The good news for The wallabies is The eden part

588
00:29:13,493 --> 00:29:15,613
Speaker 4: tiest against The All blacks to open The Blues Low.

589
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:20,413
Speaker 4: Cup Murray jeancus and Andre A, piarti The italian from

590
00:29:20,453 --> 00:29:23,213
Speaker 4: the Second test to control that match is in the,

591
00:29:23,253 --> 00:29:24,213
Speaker 4: Middle so a couple of their.

592
00:29:24,213 --> 00:29:25,693
Speaker 2: Favorites and for That test.

593
00:29:25,733 --> 00:29:27,413
Speaker 6: Match how do you how do you think there were

594
00:29:27,453 --> 00:29:30,893
Speaker 6: lines reflect on that series when it's all said and.

595
00:29:31,013 --> 00:29:34,373
Speaker 6: Done you know there was talk abouts them joining The

596
00:29:34,453 --> 00:29:36,373
Speaker 6: pantheon Of Great lions teams of the.

597
00:29:36,413 --> 00:29:38,293
Speaker 4: Path how can you join a pantheon of The Great

598
00:29:38,293 --> 00:29:40,853
Speaker 4: lions teams when you lost your first game To argentina

599
00:29:40,933 --> 00:29:44,013
Speaker 4: before you even. Left they were never in the pantheon

600
00:29:44,053 --> 00:29:48,093
Speaker 4: Of lions. Teams it was just absolute wank to seduce

601
00:29:48,133 --> 00:29:49,653
Speaker 4: that they were in there in the first. Place even

602
00:29:49,693 --> 00:29:51,893
Speaker 4: if they had won three mil over The. Wallabies you

603
00:29:51,973 --> 00:29:54,853
Speaker 4: lost your first game to a Good argentina, Site.

604
00:29:55,213 --> 00:29:57,493
Speaker 5: Yeah that's, fair AND i think they.

605
00:29:57,573 --> 00:30:00,733
Speaker 6: WERE i wasn't overly, impressed to be, honest and there

606
00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 6: were a number of pundits around that, Tour Dan bigger

607
00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:10,253
Speaker 6: and others who were questions the performances and. Whatnot so,

608
00:30:10,693 --> 00:30:12,533
Speaker 6: yeah it wasn't overly impressed by the. LINES i think

609
00:30:13,533 --> 00:30:15,973
Speaker 6: probably Some irish bis and some of the selections and

610
00:30:16,253 --> 00:30:17,773
Speaker 6: a bit of a nod to some of those players

611
00:30:17,853 --> 00:30:22,493
Speaker 6: not being the forces they used to. Be but, yeah

612
00:30:22,573 --> 00:30:24,533
Speaker 6: even even looking at guys Like Finn, russell he was.

613
00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:27,333
Speaker 6: Superb and then his performance in that Third test sort

614
00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:30,773
Speaker 6: of encapsulates where The lion's nose dive.

615
00:30:30,893 --> 00:30:31,533
Speaker 2: To, yeah they.

616
00:30:31,573 --> 00:30:35,573
Speaker 4: Did And Bundy, ARKEY i think his days At test

617
00:30:35,653 --> 00:30:38,773
Speaker 4: level are probably almost, done if not. Done feels like

618
00:30:38,813 --> 00:30:41,013
Speaker 4: he's a fading. Force so he's had a great career

619
00:30:41,693 --> 00:30:43,853
Speaker 4: right from His chiefs And counties days to where he

620
00:30:44,013 --> 00:30:46,973
Speaker 4: is now In World cup trips and everything like. That

621
00:30:47,133 --> 00:30:48,413
Speaker 4: one of the best players in the world on his,

622
00:30:48,493 --> 00:30:50,893
Speaker 4: day BUT i think those days are sorely, numbered AND

623
00:30:50,933 --> 00:30:53,853
Speaker 4: i think the nucleus of That irish side as. WELL i,

624
00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:56,893
Speaker 4: mean we didn't See Josh funderflare at. ALL i don't

625
00:30:56,933 --> 00:30:59,173
Speaker 4: know what was going on, there but a quality player

626
00:31:00,133 --> 00:31:02,853
Speaker 4: that missed out on a lot of game time during that.

627
00:31:03,013 --> 00:31:06,213
Speaker 4: Series just felt Like Andy ferrold didn't quite get at selections.

628
00:31:06,253 --> 00:31:09,533
Speaker 4: Right whether he was trying to avoid selections of questions

629
00:31:09,573 --> 00:31:11,333
Speaker 4: of An irish bias and then still went with that

630
00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:12,573
Speaker 4: in any, WAY i don't. KNOW i just felt like

631
00:31:12,613 --> 00:31:15,933
Speaker 4: sometimes he didn't quite get selections right throughout the root that.

632
00:31:16,013 --> 00:31:18,893
Speaker 6: Campaign, yeah, well how does the best of The lions

633
00:31:19,053 --> 00:31:22,813
Speaker 6: finish with a midfield pairing Of Owen farrell And bundi a.

634
00:31:22,933 --> 00:31:27,013
Speaker 6: Key i'm not too sure how that. Evolves And Jack,

635
00:31:27,093 --> 00:31:28,973
Speaker 6: MORGAN i think he was one of the lines best

636
00:31:29,173 --> 00:31:30,573
Speaker 6: and we didn't see enough of him. Either.

637
00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:34,693
Speaker 4: Question did The lions still have relevance in rugby? Today

638
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,453
Speaker 4: it just feels like a bit of a throwback to

639
00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:40,333
Speaker 4: thirty forty years. Ago, hey, LOOK i love the lines

640
00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:42,773
Speaker 4: when they COMMENT i watched every game of the, series

641
00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:46,213
Speaker 4: everything like, That but it just feels like it's kind

642
00:31:46,293 --> 00:31:48,413
Speaker 4: of a concept from the days where you didn't have

643
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:51,013
Speaker 4: these teams come, down they didn't, tour there wasn't as

644
00:31:51,053 --> 00:31:53,133
Speaker 4: many eyes on the world game as there is now

645
00:31:53,773 --> 00:31:57,773
Speaker 4: and The All backs weren't playing these teams every year

646
00:31:57,853 --> 00:32:01,013
Speaker 4: every two. Years it feels Like british And Irish Lions

647
00:32:01,013 --> 00:32:03,573
Speaker 4: All star concept just to make a bit of revenue

648
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:05,573
Speaker 4: every four. Years i'm not sure it's got the relevance

649
00:32:05,653 --> 00:32:08,933
Speaker 4: that it once did and whether it's still relevant and

650
00:32:08,973 --> 00:32:09,453
Speaker 4: test rapey.

651
00:32:09,493 --> 00:32:11,853
Speaker 6: Today, well the nail on the head there is the.

652
00:32:11,933 --> 00:32:15,293
Speaker 6: Revenue they are an absolute cash. Cow they print money

653
00:32:15,373 --> 00:32:19,213
Speaker 6: every four years and they will effectively prop Up australian

654
00:32:19,293 --> 00:32:22,613
Speaker 6: rugby this. Tour you, know you look at a ninety

655
00:32:22,653 --> 00:32:26,213
Speaker 6: thousand sell out at THE. Mcg The Sydney test was sold. Out,

656
00:32:26,893 --> 00:32:30,253
Speaker 6: yeah it wasn't great across The Super, games but what

657
00:32:30,373 --> 00:32:34,853
Speaker 6: do they have twenty thirty forty thousand traveling, fans the

658
00:32:34,973 --> 00:32:37,333
Speaker 6: tradition of it. All it is a unique, beast but

659
00:32:37,493 --> 00:32:41,373
Speaker 6: it does disrupt the whole test. Calendar SO i still enjoy.

660
00:32:41,453 --> 00:32:43,693
Speaker 6: It BUT i think you raise a valid.

661
00:32:43,773 --> 00:32:47,733
Speaker 4: Question interesting see twenty twenty nine coming to these shores

662
00:32:47,773 --> 00:32:50,613
Speaker 4: In New zealand and how that shakes down four years.

663
00:32:50,813 --> 00:32:52,933
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668
00:33:01,453 --> 00:33:05,973
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671
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Speaker 4: Solutions time now for the final Four full rugby topics

672
00:33:21,693 --> 00:33:25,453
Speaker 4: to sink our teeth into THE npc is. Underway and

673
00:33:25,813 --> 00:33:28,373
Speaker 4: look last year there was a jusey exchange When wellington Beat.

674
00:33:28,453 --> 00:33:30,933
Speaker 4: Canterbury we went on last, week BUT i should have

675
00:33:31,013 --> 00:33:33,933
Speaker 4: arranged something similar because it's a shame of reds and

676
00:33:34,253 --> 00:33:38,333
Speaker 4: blacks are. Old the men from the. Capitol great. Performance

677
00:33:38,413 --> 00:33:40,293
Speaker 4: that stood out to. Me, liam do stand out for?

678
00:33:40,373 --> 00:33:41,893
Speaker 5: You once that stood?

679
00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:45,653
Speaker 2: Out it's yeah hearing Past Reuben.

680
00:33:45,693 --> 00:33:47,533
Speaker 5: Love that was whether it was, noted wasn't?

681
00:33:47,573 --> 00:33:51,213
Speaker 6: It he still got, wheels doesn't he maybe had some

682
00:33:51,733 --> 00:33:55,373
Speaker 6: some Good welsh soup or what turnips rabbit?

683
00:33:55,453 --> 00:33:57,213
Speaker 2: PIE i think there was another of the local.

684
00:33:57,493 --> 00:34:00,893
Speaker 6: Delicacies, yeah there was a turning point in that. Match

685
00:34:01,893 --> 00:34:06,453
Speaker 6: notable win For. Canterbury, look it was a brilliance advertisement

686
00:34:06,653 --> 00:34:10,173
Speaker 6: for provincial rugby And New. Zealand WHAT i like about

687
00:34:10,213 --> 00:34:13,413
Speaker 6: the N pc is it's it's really pure in the

688
00:34:13,533 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 6: sense that it's not homo. Homogenized it's it's it really

689
00:34:18,813 --> 00:34:20,773
Speaker 6: is the essence Of New zealand rugby wanting to play.

690
00:34:20,853 --> 00:34:25,733
Speaker 6: Ball defense is optional to a, degree it's, not you,

691
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:30,013
Speaker 6: know so structured players are playing on instinct and man

692
00:34:30,493 --> 00:34:33,213
Speaker 6: there are some great finishes Lemasop, wanga what a story

693
00:34:33,293 --> 00:34:35,693
Speaker 6: scoring the winning try and the dying moments At Eden,

694
00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:38,133
Speaker 6: park one of the two getting their first.

695
00:34:39,453 --> 00:34:41,053
Speaker 5: Or winning their Over North.

696
00:34:41,093 --> 00:34:44,813
Speaker 6: Harbor great win for, Them Tad Nakid, toney The Raanfrew,

697
00:34:44,853 --> 00:34:46,973
Speaker 6: Shield otago getting up At staggeday and one of the

698
00:34:47,013 --> 00:34:51,453
Speaker 6: biggest rugby events on The southern. Calendar so it really

699
00:34:51,573 --> 00:34:56,853
Speaker 6: does have a special place In New zealand. Rugby the

700
00:34:57,293 --> 00:35:00,693
Speaker 6: how you continue to fund it and where it sits

701
00:35:00,813 --> 00:35:04,813
Speaker 6: in the in the, ECOSYSTEM i think is a question

702
00:35:04,893 --> 00:35:06,733
Speaker 6: that's going to be answered in the near. Future but

703
00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:10,013
Speaker 6: the style of rugby are really do love AND i

704
00:35:10,093 --> 00:35:12,013
Speaker 6: think there is a lot of passion out there for,

705
00:35:12,133 --> 00:35:14,733
Speaker 6: it even if that doesn't translate into bums on.

706
00:35:14,853 --> 00:35:17,733
Speaker 4: Seats, yeah, look embrace it for what it is and

707
00:35:17,893 --> 00:35:20,213
Speaker 4: not what you wish it would. BE i think is

708
00:35:20,253 --> 00:35:22,173
Speaker 4: probably the. Message because what we saw over the weekend

709
00:35:22,253 --> 00:35:26,213
Speaker 4: was highly highly entertaining from pretty much all seven of,

710
00:35:26,293 --> 00:35:27,613
Speaker 4: games by and. Large ye there were a couple of,

711
00:35:27,613 --> 00:35:32,493
Speaker 4: blowouts but even still they were. ENTERTAINING i just the,

712
00:35:32,613 --> 00:35:35,813
Speaker 4: thing as you, said it's great when it's played at smaller.

713
00:35:35,893 --> 00:35:38,573
Speaker 4: VENUES i mean The bay Plenty tasman game total and

714
00:35:38,613 --> 00:35:42,293
Speaker 4: Domain son stroaming through the MISTER whipopi truck's doing a roaring.

715
00:35:42,413 --> 00:35:47,733
Speaker 4: Trade that's what THE nbc should, be Not thursday night

716
00:35:47,773 --> 00:35:50,173
Speaker 4: footy At Eden park in front of three or four thousand.

717
00:35:50,213 --> 00:35:54,693
Speaker 4: People why are you hiring Out Eden park to do?

718
00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:57,853
Speaker 4: That you could be played it anywhere else Around. Auckland

719
00:35:58,173 --> 00:36:00,933
Speaker 4: and those the games that leave a sour taste in

720
00:36:00,973 --> 00:36:02,933
Speaker 4: your mouth when you've got a cold winter's evening there's

721
00:36:02,973 --> 00:36:05,653
Speaker 4: no one There saturday some, afternoon beautiful.

722
00:36:05,653 --> 00:36:06,653
Speaker 2: Stuff love it more of.

723
00:36:06,733 --> 00:36:09,853
Speaker 6: That, yeah it's a terrible, lot big barn, stadiums nobody,

724
00:36:09,933 --> 00:36:13,213
Speaker 6: There nobody wants to see. That, yeah it just sucks

725
00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:15,693
Speaker 6: the life out of, it doesn't. It great, spectacle great.

726
00:36:15,733 --> 00:36:18,973
Speaker 6: Finish but, yeah all those games And wellington's done it

727
00:36:19,053 --> 00:36:21,893
Speaker 6: well that they've EFFECTIVELY i don't. Know i'm pretty sure

728
00:36:21,893 --> 00:36:25,533
Speaker 6: they're permanently plays part of a park And auckland's played

729
00:36:25,533 --> 00:36:30,013
Speaker 6: In pakerager previously and mentioned about domains a great lock

730
00:36:30,093 --> 00:36:34,973
Speaker 6: and what a statement from, them Belting tasman who have

731
00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:38,453
Speaker 6: a stacked. Roster steamers lost the final and extra time

732
00:36:38,533 --> 00:36:41,893
Speaker 6: last year and, yeah you could say they're made an

733
00:36:41,893 --> 00:36:42,373
Speaker 6: early case of.

734
00:36:42,453 --> 00:36:43,733
Speaker 5: Favoritism, yeah but they've.

735
00:36:43,573 --> 00:36:46,893
Speaker 4: Just lost a couple of players and a couple. More you,

736
00:36:46,933 --> 00:36:48,573
Speaker 4: Know na was not going to be, There. Toss he's

737
00:36:48,613 --> 00:36:50,973
Speaker 4: not going to be there, Now Myffilo Leroy. Carter so

738
00:36:51,373 --> 00:36:53,893
Speaker 4: these things can change on a die pretty. Quickly in

739
00:36:53,973 --> 00:36:56,853
Speaker 4: THE npc topic, Too Richie wong's return hits a speed

740
00:36:56,933 --> 00:37:00,213
Speaker 4: bump over when and where he can return for The All.

741
00:37:00,253 --> 00:37:02,933
Speaker 4: Blacks this are from our Colleague Griga paul last week

742
00:37:03,333 --> 00:37:06,253
Speaker 4: In The New Zealand Herald's aredu justing. Negotiations it's somewhat

743
00:37:06,253 --> 00:37:09,853
Speaker 4: of an impass around when he'll be eligible to play

744
00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:13,293
Speaker 4: for The All blacks again if he's to come, back

745
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,293
Speaker 4: and it sounds like parties are willing to have him

746
00:37:15,293 --> 00:37:19,773
Speaker 4: back at some point in twenty twenty. Six what's your

747
00:37:19,813 --> 00:37:22,533
Speaker 4: read on this and does it need to become a

748
00:37:22,613 --> 00:37:24,413
Speaker 4: clearest system as to win players can come?

749
00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:30,693
Speaker 6: Back it probably. Does, yeah the exemption case by case

750
00:37:30,973 --> 00:37:35,373
Speaker 6: basis is at league is lack of, consistency isn't? It

751
00:37:35,413 --> 00:37:38,373
Speaker 6: and it leaves it will leave some players miffed about

752
00:37:38,413 --> 00:37:41,733
Speaker 6: why preferential treatment was given to them and not. Others

753
00:37:43,093 --> 00:37:45,733
Speaker 6: if we deal with look look at lesterfying a nookie

754
00:37:45,893 --> 00:37:47,893
Speaker 6: as an. Example he's come, back he had to play

755
00:37:48,213 --> 00:37:49,773
Speaker 6: after two years In, france had to play in His

756
00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,453
Speaker 6: zellen provincial rugby to be eligible for The All.

757
00:37:52,493 --> 00:37:53,613
Speaker 5: Blacks but.

758
00:37:55,573 --> 00:37:58,493
Speaker 6: From What Scott robertson said, today it sounds like if

759
00:37:58,573 --> 00:38:02,853
Speaker 6: there was further, injuries there's seven protocols and he could

760
00:38:02,973 --> 00:38:06,573
Speaker 6: select him if he really wanted. To SO i don't

761
00:38:06,693 --> 00:38:09,773
Speaker 6: envision major issues Around Richard. WONGER i think there's a

762
00:38:10,693 --> 00:38:15,533
Speaker 6: non public agreements around reaching seventy test caps before you

763
00:38:15,653 --> 00:38:18,653
Speaker 6: can come back and join Your black straight away from

764
00:38:18,693 --> 00:38:21,213
Speaker 6: a sabbatical which would have been away for three. Years

765
00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:27,133
Speaker 6: it does seem nonsensical For muwanga to come back next

766
00:38:27,213 --> 00:38:29,933
Speaker 6: year play provincial rugby and not be able to go

767
00:38:30,253 --> 00:38:33,093
Speaker 6: on a two month tour Of South africa like that

768
00:38:33,093 --> 00:38:34,293
Speaker 6: would be such a, waste Wouldn't it.

769
00:38:34,293 --> 00:38:35,813
Speaker 4: Would be a huge Waste AND i kind of think

770
00:38:35,853 --> 00:38:37,333
Speaker 4: that heed to the POINT i, THINK i like What

771
00:38:37,373 --> 00:38:39,613
Speaker 4: australia has done In australia have different issues To New

772
00:38:39,693 --> 00:38:44,213
Speaker 4: zealand in terms of player attention and recruitment and getting players.

773
00:38:44,293 --> 00:38:49,013
Speaker 4: Back but if your next assignment is with A New

774
00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:52,053
Speaker 4: zealand team at club, level so be at The, crusaders

775
00:38:52,093 --> 00:38:54,653
Speaker 4: be At, canterbury THEN i think you are. Eligible if

776
00:38:54,653 --> 00:38:56,733
Speaker 4: you've still god commitments In, japan then obviously you're not.

777
00:38:56,813 --> 00:38:58,893
Speaker 4: ELIGIBLE i think that'll be the clearest way to do.

778
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:01,293
Speaker 4: It so If Richie wong completes His japan commitments and

779
00:39:01,373 --> 00:39:04,613
Speaker 4: then he's contracted To, canterbury The crusaders And New Zealand

780
00:39:04,653 --> 00:39:07,413
Speaker 4: rugby from mid twenty twenty, six and in theory is

781
00:39:07,493 --> 00:39:10,133
Speaker 4: next competition is THE nbc With, canterbury then he should

782
00:39:10,173 --> 00:39:12,013
Speaker 4: be eligible from that point as soon as he starts his.

783
00:39:12,093 --> 00:39:15,933
Speaker 6: Contract, yeah maybe it's a different conversation if he comes

784
00:39:16,013 --> 00:39:18,493
Speaker 6: back and he's only signing for one, Year but if

785
00:39:18,493 --> 00:39:21,573
Speaker 6: he comes back and signs for, three that's a lengthy

786
00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:26,453
Speaker 6: level of commitments that should be rewarded and ultimately you

787
00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:29,653
Speaker 6: want the best players available for The All. Blacks so,

788
00:39:30,333 --> 00:39:34,453
Speaker 6: yeah it does seem a bit backwards to make a

789
00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:37,573
Speaker 6: guy play a whole provincial season while The All blacks

790
00:39:37,573 --> 00:39:37,973
Speaker 6: are In South.

791
00:39:38,013 --> 00:39:39,093
Speaker 5: Africa why would you not have?

792
00:39:39,213 --> 00:39:41,013
Speaker 4: Him that doesn't make any sense to, me Although i'm

793
00:39:41,013 --> 00:39:43,253
Speaker 4: Sure linwood and Christ church were quite like having rich

794
00:39:43,293 --> 00:39:45,053
Speaker 4: And way to try out for them in the middle

795
00:39:45,053 --> 00:39:46,693
Speaker 4: of next, year given they finish runners up in this

796
00:39:46,773 --> 00:39:49,853
Speaker 4: year's Christ Church Club. Final topic, three on the back

797
00:39:49,853 --> 00:39:51,693
Speaker 4: of what we saw during The lion, series do you

798
00:39:51,933 --> 00:39:55,453
Speaker 4: fear The wallabies and The Rugby championship from An All blacks.

799
00:39:55,173 --> 00:40:00,853
Speaker 5: Perspective more so than you used? To but probably.

800
00:40:00,973 --> 00:40:01,013
Speaker 2: Not.

801
00:40:01,253 --> 00:40:07,573
Speaker 6: No, look The wallabies have the ability to, challenge but

802
00:40:07,693 --> 00:40:09,853
Speaker 6: they have limitation as. Well and there's a couple of

803
00:40:10,213 --> 00:40:13,573
Speaker 6: very important points to note. Here Will skelton not available

804
00:40:13,613 --> 00:40:17,373
Speaker 6: for The Rugby championship because he plays his Domestic raby

805
00:40:17,413 --> 00:40:19,453
Speaker 6: in fronts AND i think that will be the case

806
00:40:19,533 --> 00:40:23,613
Speaker 6: For Taniela tupo as. Well he's signed for rushing And

807
00:40:24,653 --> 00:40:28,613
Speaker 6: tupo's extremely inconsistent but made a massive, impact particularly at scrum.

808
00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:31,733
Speaker 6: Time he did a number On Andrew porter in That Third.

809
00:40:31,813 --> 00:40:36,453
Speaker 6: Test so there's two massive physical forces that won't be

810
00:40:36,493 --> 00:40:40,533
Speaker 6: available for The wallabies forward. Pack they still lack depth

811
00:40:40,613 --> 00:40:43,893
Speaker 6: in a big. Way tomliner didn't convince it ten and

812
00:40:43,933 --> 00:40:47,173
Speaker 6: then you're looking at guys Like Ben. Donaldson so, yeah

813
00:40:47,213 --> 00:40:50,653
Speaker 6: they have. Threats they are vastly improved and they could

814
00:40:50,733 --> 00:40:52,253
Speaker 6: top all the All blacks on their, day BUT i

815
00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:55,053
Speaker 6: don't see them winning back to back tests to claim

816
00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:55,613
Speaker 6: The Bleders.

817
00:40:55,653 --> 00:40:57,533
Speaker 2: Low, YEAH i think it's a bridge too far for.

818
00:40:57,653 --> 00:41:02,253
Speaker 4: Them look that building, there and as you, Mentioned lescus

819
00:41:02,373 --> 00:41:04,413
Speaker 4: is going to come over and take over at some.

820
00:41:04,493 --> 00:41:06,933
Speaker 4: Point the depth is the issue With australian rugby as

821
00:41:06,973 --> 00:41:08,973
Speaker 4: it has been for a number of. Years when you

822
00:41:09,013 --> 00:41:11,013
Speaker 4: scratch the surface and get a couple of injuries or

823
00:41:11,013 --> 00:41:14,693
Speaker 4: players are unavailable Like Bill, skelton then they're not the

824
00:41:14,773 --> 00:41:17,013
Speaker 4: force that maybe they were during the line. Series SO

825
00:41:17,173 --> 00:41:19,213
Speaker 4: i think there's some promising signs. THERE i Think saulite

826
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:22,973
Speaker 4: looks really comfortable in the test environment now he is

827
00:41:23,213 --> 00:41:25,773
Speaker 4: a player that is a game changer for. Them but

828
00:41:25,853 --> 00:41:27,773
Speaker 4: if they don't Have, skeleton they don't have a couple

829
00:41:27,813 --> 00:41:30,253
Speaker 4: of other key. Players Angus bell seems to be able to.

830
00:41:30,293 --> 00:41:32,053
Speaker 4: FAVOR i, MEAN i know he made the twenty, threes

831
00:41:32,093 --> 00:41:33,733
Speaker 4: but it seems to be able to favor for whatever

832
00:41:33,813 --> 00:41:37,253
Speaker 4: reason With Joe schmidt at the. Moment so if they

833
00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:39,533
Speaker 4: get the selection, right there are, chants but it's going

834
00:41:39,613 --> 00:41:40,853
Speaker 4: to be fascinating to see how they go To South

835
00:41:40,893 --> 00:41:43,573
Speaker 4: africa and whether that works out for them over, there

836
00:41:43,613 --> 00:41:46,053
Speaker 4: because it could be a case of two steps, four

837
00:41:46,093 --> 00:41:49,333
Speaker 4: one step back or you, know even further steps back

838
00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:49,773
Speaker 4: if you get my.

839
00:41:49,853 --> 00:41:53,973
Speaker 6: Drift, yeah it's that depth because the attrition rate by

840
00:41:54,013 --> 00:41:55,893
Speaker 6: the time The All blacks And wallabies will meet will

841
00:41:55,933 --> 00:41:59,533
Speaker 6: be through the. Roof you think After Deill black's play

842
00:41:59,573 --> 00:42:03,173
Speaker 6: The pumas and Spring box and The wallabies do likewise

843
00:42:03,253 --> 00:42:06,533
Speaker 6: that there'll be you, know absentees and that's going to

844
00:42:06,573 --> 00:42:08,053
Speaker 6: have The wallabies harder than it will Deal.

845
00:42:08,053 --> 00:42:11,333
Speaker 4: Blacks it will topic four in the final four current

846
00:42:11,373 --> 00:42:13,213
Speaker 4: time boy FOR lac confirming he signed with The chiefs

847
00:42:13,293 --> 00:42:16,253
Speaker 4: on a two year. Deal we touched on this in the.

848
00:42:16,413 --> 00:42:18,533
Speaker 4: Win it was reported In may In The New. Zealand

849
00:42:18,573 --> 00:42:22,133
Speaker 4: he all now confirmed as of this week that will

850
00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:24,773
Speaker 4: be there twenty six twenty. Seven wants to be In

851
00:42:24,773 --> 00:42:28,773
Speaker 4: All black played For tonga in twenty three is well

852
00:42:28,853 --> 00:42:32,773
Speaker 4: eighteen months just over into a. Standown pretty good pickup

853
00:42:32,813 --> 00:42:34,493
Speaker 4: for The chiefs on the basis of what we've seen

854
00:42:34,533 --> 00:42:39,853
Speaker 4: From wanna pacifica he spoke To Collie Jason pine today

855
00:42:39,853 --> 00:42:42,053
Speaker 4: and said that he thinks That wanna can continue to,

856
00:42:42,093 --> 00:42:43,613
Speaker 4: bold but you just hope it's not the case of

857
00:42:43,653 --> 00:42:45,933
Speaker 4: picking off players that now want to play for The

858
00:42:45,933 --> 00:42:47,453
Speaker 4: All blacks rather than playing for Their pacific.

859
00:42:47,573 --> 00:42:50,853
Speaker 6: Nations, yeah it a continues the, trend doesn't it of

860
00:42:51,373 --> 00:42:57,853
Speaker 6: Levamor tavanawa Now Tom way for Low cherry picking the

861
00:42:58,613 --> 00:43:00,333
Speaker 6: best standouts From wuana and.

862
00:43:01,853 --> 00:43:02,253
Speaker 5: Them going.

863
00:43:02,293 --> 00:43:05,333
Speaker 6: Elsewhere it is an individual. Decision this is Not New

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Speaker 6: Zealand rugby coming in and saying we'll have You tom world.

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Speaker 6: today and he's talking about learning From All, blacks wanting

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Speaker 6: to be in that environment and even contesting a starting

868
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Speaker 6: spot is going to be much. Harder that's going to

869
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Speaker 6: improve from week to. Week and that's why he's gone

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Speaker 6: to The.

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Speaker 2: Chiefs, YEAH i think it's fair.

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Speaker 4: POINT i mean they've got Ad exavi going back the

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Speaker 4: other way and the dangerous you go from being that

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Speaker 4: big fashion a small pond to an extent because of

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Speaker 4: moore stood out big time At, mauana looked out standing

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Speaker 4: and then went to The crusaders and barely made a

878
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Speaker 4: ripple over the two seasons that he's there and now

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Speaker 4: going To. Japan so it sometimes doesn't always work. Out

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Speaker 4: but if you're a player wanting to learn off the,

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Speaker 4: beast then you kind of need to be in that

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Speaker 4: pool as. Well so wishing The beast to, LUCK i

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Speaker 4: think he's got a lot to Offer New zealand rugby

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Speaker 4: over the next few.

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Speaker 6: Years and you look at the it comes back to

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Speaker 6: the point we're both making earlier about the wing. Spots

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Speaker 6: he is a guy that will be very much in

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Speaker 6: the frame on the next two. Years you talked about

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Speaker 6: how that complexion can change really, quickly that wingers can

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Speaker 6: rise through the ranks, rapidly AND i think he's a

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Speaker 6: guy along With Jacob Rushim. Mavooki nipkins has looked really

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Speaker 6: good in his. Comeback who's the other a tonguey towel

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Speaker 6: settled down againy. Buyas but these are the guys that

895
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Speaker 6: have out and outpace AND i think that has something

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Speaker 6: that The All blacks are lacking on the. Edge so

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Speaker 6: there's a Poll lawinger is there that could any any

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Speaker 6: one of them could come through in the next few.

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Speaker 5: Years so, YEAH i Wish.

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Speaker 6: Current all the best and hope he gets a crack

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Speaker 6: because The chiefs have lost a, few haven't, They Sean,

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Speaker 6: stevenson and so, yeah there's a few openings there for.

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Speaker 4: Him, absolutely will that about do? Us For rugby director this,

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Speaker 4: WEEK i think we've been. POSITIVE i think it's been

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Speaker 4: a positive.

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Speaker 6: Discussion it's just one final thing to mention that very

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Speaker 6: very positive. News Actually foxton for the First i'm In

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Speaker 6: Hotophone Company Club, rugby history of any club In Hotophon

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Speaker 6: company one the seniors and reserves this, year so the

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Speaker 6: club and the town is absolutely. Humming AND i saw

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Speaker 6: footage of them taking the trophy through The New, world

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Speaker 6: down the main streets and carrying on for a few.

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Speaker 6: Days so great scenes.

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Speaker 2: There there's a mainstream In. Fox it's got it all,

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Speaker 2: okay very.

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