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Speaker 2: It be Welcome to podcasts two eighty three, May seven,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Whichever way you look at it, Australia

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Speaker 2: is in political turmoil after the election last Saturday May third.

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Speaker 2: There are numerous and plenty of theories as to why.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty of propaganda lots of it. One thing is

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Speaker 2: certain and lies. One thing is certain, it's a man

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Speaker 2: made problem. Question is where does it lead. Nick Cator

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Speaker 2: returns in two eighty three to help analyze how a

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Speaker 2: government with such a poor record in the first term

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Speaker 2: could nuke its opposition so decisively and what it means

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Speaker 2: to important issues, starting with free speech, taxation, defense, climate issues,

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Speaker 2: energy supply, and of course the cost of living. And

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Speaker 2: let's use a little common sense. The cost of living

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Speaker 2: is attached to directly to much of the aforementioned, such

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Speaker 2: as energy supply, and there is plenty to be said

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Speaker 2: about that, but just as a teaser. Here is a

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Speaker 2: letter that I received yesterday from Brian Leyland, who is

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Speaker 2: a man of vast experience in power supply. He said,

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Speaker 2: I've sent this letter to the editor of a newspaper.

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Speaker 2: I will be very surprised if it gets published, and

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Speaker 2: so far there is no sign of it. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: could save billions of dollars simply by following the example

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Speaker 2: of many other countries and quietly backpedal on the rash

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Speaker 2: promises that we made when we signed the Paris Agreement.

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Speaker 2: This will have no effect on the climate because anything

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Speaker 2: New Zealand does to reduce emissions will be swamped by

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Speaker 2: the emissions from China, India and the United States. The

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Speaker 2: carbon market costs about five hundred million dollars a year,

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Speaker 2: and axes increase the cost of transport by billions. That's

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Speaker 2: with a b of dollars. The previous government's ban on

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Speaker 2: us to import even more coal. This has cost electricity

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Speaker 2: consumers billions of dollars. Likewise electric vehicles and their charging points.

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Speaker 2: Then there is the multi billion dollar capital costs of

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Speaker 2: unreliable wind and solar farms. Fundamentally uneconomic industries that only

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Speaker 2: exist thanks to subsidies and mandates in many other countries.

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Speaker 2: The rational alternative is to use our substantial resources of

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Speaker 2: gas and coal in existing stations, build more hydro and geothermal,

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Speaker 2: and then transition to safe and reliable nuclear power. This

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Speaker 2: And with his experience and having read lots of background

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Speaker 2: on such matters, I endorse exactly what he said. We

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Speaker 2: have politicians in power at the moment who are not

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Speaker 2: delivering a staying close to home. There is another matter

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Speaker 2: that I want to make mention of. This comes from

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Speaker 2: a column by Graham Adams. Graham Adams is a freelancer

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Speaker 2: who published this through ENZCPR dot com Murial Newman's website.

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Speaker 2: So it's worthy of finding and reading in its entirety,

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Speaker 2: because I'm not going to read it all. Auckland University

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Speaker 2: students react to Treaty indoctrination. This year the University of

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Speaker 2: a follow up that is a good one. This year,

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Speaker 2: the University of Auckland launched a mandatory courses focused on

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Speaker 2: a particular view of New Zealand History, a tyrrity and

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Speaker 2: indigenous quote knowledge systems unquote, which is to say matteunger Mary.

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Speaker 2: For all first year students, it doesn't matter whether you're

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Speaker 2: studying engineering, accounting, science or arts. You'll have to enroll

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Speaker 2: in one of the WTR papers, even if you can

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Speaker 2: to pay for it. Domestic students are obliged to pay

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Speaker 2: fees of more than one thousand, three hundred for the

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Speaker 2: with five thousand, seven hundred and thirty dollars well up

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Speaker 2: to Apparently it should come as no surprise, he writes

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Speaker 2: to the university's Vice Chancellor, Dawn Freshwater and her management

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Speaker 2: team that the courses are not universally popular. A petition

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Speaker 2: titled stop the WTR one hundred series Courses ASAP has

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Speaker 2: gained one four hundred and sixty seven signatures across multiple

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Speaker 2: faculties since it was launched in early April. The organizers

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Speaker 2: one sided, and lacking academic depths. In other words, it's nonsense. However,

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Speaker 2: more forthright. One said, the course and here have to

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Speaker 2: be a little careful. One said, the course has a

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Speaker 2: get the second half of the BS. I haven't learned

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Speaker 2: so far, and we've done almost six weeks of it.

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Speaker 2: Waste of time, waste of money, waste of resources. Never

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Speaker 2: it as racist, brainwashing, propaganda and the growing of our

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Speaker 2: One female student wrote, it's just pure, unnecessarily forced indoctrination

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Speaker 2: of Marie mythicism and totally inaccurate New Zealand history, as

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Speaker 2: well as the extortion of money. Ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 2: students would elect to spend their course fees on a

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Speaker 2: subject they're passionate about, rather than these Marxist courses designed

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Speaker 2: to turn them into angry radicals. It is not yet

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Speaker 2: clear how many of the signatories are first year students

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Speaker 2: currently enrolled in the courses, which are tailored for different faculties,

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Speaker 2: the petition. Criticism is common on social media. Our one

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Speaker 2: Facebook friend contacted me to say, I wonder how long

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Speaker 2: the WT papers will continue. My son is at Auckland

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Speaker 2: Journey and he said the students are pushing back in class.

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Speaker 2: The lecturers are very defensive. I don't know how the

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Speaker 2: lecturers feel about it. Probably, knowing universities these days, the

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Speaker 2: majority of them would be very much in favor of it.

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Speaker 2: But I'll cut to the last paragraph. How long taxpayers

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Speaker 2: will agree to support universities which dedicate themselves to decolonization

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Speaker 2: and the overthrow of Western knowledge and boast about it

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Speaker 2: as Auckland University's newsletter has done is open to question.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to survive. They might try

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Speaker 2: It isn't warranted, it's outrageously stupidly expensive, and the whole

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Speaker 2: thing is purely propaganda. Now just a reminder there is

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Speaker 2: some good commentary at the end of the podcast, after

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Speaker 2: the mail room, but in a moment after a short

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Speaker 2: Farmer Broker Auckland Leighton Smith. So, at the point of

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Speaker 2: recording this conversation, the ALP in Australia has won eighty

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Speaker 2: seven seats in the Liberal National Party coalition has one

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Speaker 2: thirty nine. Damning as hell, you might say, and it is,

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Speaker 2: but things are changing a little bit, a little bit.

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Speaker 2: They're lifting Couyong is a very interesting seat. But the

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Speaker 2: real question for Nick Cata is what went wrong?

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Speaker 3: You want to want a quick two sentence answer to that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then we shall explain that. Well, I'll try and

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Speaker 3: give you one. Then what went wrong was that the

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Speaker 3: This was not about an honest debate about policy or

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Speaker 2: Watching Sky News last night, and it wasn't the only time,

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Speaker 3: But that I think Labor and its friends would say

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Speaker 3: it's just politics. I'd say it's a distinct erosion about

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Speaker 3: we know that they're going to cherry pick the figures

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Speaker 3: But when the prime minister actually says figures, puts a

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Speaker 3: And I think that we should expect politics or politicians,

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Speaker 2: Well, I agree with the commentary that says they won't

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Speaker 2: be ready for retaking the reins of government by the

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Speaker 2: after that. But then again, before you comment on that,

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Speaker 2: then again, you never know what's going to happen on

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Speaker 2: that a fair comment? Yeah, you just answered your own

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Speaker 2: point for me. I mean it's just all we know

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Speaker 2: So that's just the way it goes, both in world

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Speaker 3: People used to say, well, it's a second term government,

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Speaker 3: was always said, look, if you didn't get at least

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Speaker 2: But that's out of the window now.

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Speaker 3: I think she was genuine because she's lived through enough campaigns,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah he is. He is old. Are you going

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Speaker 2: Ask him.

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Speaker 3: He's one of those people you would dearly love to

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Speaker 2: Is there any reason why he shouldn't be back in

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Speaker 3: None at all, None at all, and particularly now. I

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, we've a lot of He've

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Speaker 3: certainly post war. But before that it wasn't you know,

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Speaker 3: So it's not an impossible thing to imagine. He's certainly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to set this next question up because

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Speaker 2: You drew our attention to Cou Young yourself a couple

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Speaker 2: the liberal candidate there, Amelia Hamer, by more than two

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Speaker 2: you know, because you've got these independence came in a

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Speaker 2: So that's two Teals they've knocked off. On the other

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Speaker 2: But the way that Parliament is with a thumping Labor majority,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's more about you, your good judgment there. Look,

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Speaker 2: So moniy Ryan, would she be a standout for what

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Speaker 3: Really, they're you know, for so called independence, representing separate communities.

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Speaker 3: They all want more action on climate change. Well, they're

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Speaker 2: Well, for those who don't know, went Eth in Sydney

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Speaker 3: If you want to look at why it's it's not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say it's really good. Quite far from that.

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Speaker 3: by the difference in the parliament I mean, never is completely.

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Speaker 3: But it used to be much closer than that, when

429
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Speaker 3: their primary vote used to match the number receipts in

430
00:26:16,933 --> 00:26:19,373
Speaker 3: Parliament's come more closely and of course, exactly the same

431
00:26:19,493 --> 00:26:23,453
Speaker 3: is happening in the UK. Maybe we should all adopt

432
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Speaker 3: the hair Clark system. Probably not. You know, that's the

433
00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:31,733
Speaker 3: problem I think for Labor because they think they've got

434
00:26:31,733 --> 00:26:35,453
Speaker 3: a commanding majority in the Parliament. But when only thirty

435
00:26:35,773 --> 00:26:39,093
Speaker 3: four percent of people vote for you, you've got to

436
00:26:39,133 --> 00:26:43,373
Speaker 3: be really appealing to people who didn't vote for you

437
00:26:43,573 --> 00:26:45,813
Speaker 3: if you want to keep in power, because they can

438
00:26:45,853 --> 00:26:49,093
Speaker 3: easily flip their votes next time. It wouldn't take much

439
00:26:49,093 --> 00:26:51,293
Speaker 3: for people to flip their votes and for that huge

440
00:26:51,293 --> 00:26:54,533
Speaker 3: majority to disappear. But you know the dangers You get

441
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Speaker 3: a bit hubristic and go too far, and that's what

442
00:27:01,133 --> 00:27:04,493
Speaker 3: Labor I think they're in danger of doing, particularly if

443
00:27:04,493 --> 00:27:06,853
Speaker 3: they get hold of the Senate, which is still a possibility.

444
00:27:06,893 --> 00:27:08,333
Speaker 3: We won't know that for a while, but they may

445
00:27:08,453 --> 00:27:09,733
Speaker 3: have control of both houses.

446
00:27:10,413 --> 00:27:15,293
Speaker 2: Just explain for us the importance of the Senate or otherwise.

447
00:27:16,853 --> 00:27:21,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm more and more kind of like Paul

448
00:27:22,013 --> 00:27:27,693
Speaker 3: Keating's definite explanation of it unrepresentative swill, but there's probably

449
00:27:27,693 --> 00:27:29,533
Speaker 3: a little unkind. I mean, the idea of the Senate

450
00:27:29,613 --> 00:27:31,573
Speaker 3: was like the House of Lords. It was a house

451
00:27:31,613 --> 00:27:35,333
Speaker 3: of review, it was supposed to check over, you know,

452
00:27:35,413 --> 00:27:38,413
Speaker 3: everything that came to the Lower House and just point

453
00:27:38,453 --> 00:27:40,773
Speaker 3: out any flaws and throw it back to them. But

454
00:27:40,893 --> 00:27:43,533
Speaker 3: eventually it would you know, the idea was it would

455
00:27:43,533 --> 00:27:45,773
Speaker 3: act like the House of Lords and would just give

456
00:27:45,853 --> 00:27:47,253
Speaker 3: way to the House of Commons.

457
00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:48,613
Speaker 2: But would be very useful.

458
00:27:48,653 --> 00:27:50,453
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it is a useful process to

459
00:27:50,493 --> 00:27:54,453
Speaker 3: have that legislation checked and maybe amended a bit by

460
00:27:54,773 --> 00:27:57,093
Speaker 3: the more eyes that get across it, the better. And

461
00:27:57,133 --> 00:27:59,853
Speaker 3: it was also state based, right, so every state has

462
00:28:00,333 --> 00:28:05,173
Speaker 3: has the same number of representatives, and so even Tasmania,

463
00:28:05,213 --> 00:28:07,453
Speaker 3: which has got five hundred thousand odd people, has got

464
00:28:07,493 --> 00:28:10,573
Speaker 3: as many as New South Wales we've got six or

465
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Speaker 3: seven million. So you know, it's not a one vote,

466
00:28:14,333 --> 00:28:17,053
Speaker 3: one value place in that respect. But that's because it's

467
00:28:17,053 --> 00:28:20,213
Speaker 3: supposed to respect states, but because become something else. It's

468
00:28:20,253 --> 00:28:24,413
Speaker 3: become an alternative center of power in the minds of

469
00:28:24,453 --> 00:28:29,333
Speaker 3: people there. So the acts completely without reference to the

470
00:28:29,413 --> 00:28:32,533
Speaker 3: majority in the lower House, and well, you know, it

471
00:28:32,533 --> 00:28:34,373
Speaker 3: doesn't sort of respect the fact that because you've got

472
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Speaker 3: a majority in the lower House, you know, we should

473
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Speaker 3: look at your legislation kindly and even though we don't

474
00:28:38,773 --> 00:28:41,893
Speaker 3: completely like it, we recognize that you have a mandate

475
00:28:41,973 --> 00:28:44,973
Speaker 3: for it. They don't do that. And now it's it's

476
00:28:45,293 --> 00:28:48,093
Speaker 3: a long time really since, I think since two thousand

477
00:28:48,133 --> 00:28:51,253
Speaker 3: and four was the last time one party had the

478
00:28:51,253 --> 00:28:54,493
Speaker 3: majority in both houses. So it's full of a bunch

479
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Speaker 3: of rap bags, independence and small parties, particularly the Greens,

480
00:29:00,373 --> 00:29:04,173
Speaker 3: who just act negatively. I mean, if you're if you're

481
00:29:04,213 --> 00:29:07,333
Speaker 3: say the Jackie Lambee party, she's from Tasmania and I

482
00:29:07,373 --> 00:29:10,173
Speaker 3: think she had two Upper House members at one stage.

483
00:29:10,653 --> 00:29:13,253
Speaker 3: She won't do now, but she got with Jackie Lambee.

484
00:29:14,013 --> 00:29:16,653
Speaker 3: You know, how are you going to make attention? How

485
00:29:16,653 --> 00:29:18,773
Speaker 3: are you going to how are you going to people

486
00:29:18,853 --> 00:29:20,453
Speaker 3: voted for you because they didn't want to vote for

487
00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:25,013
Speaker 3: the two major parties. You your motivation is to keep

488
00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:28,293
Speaker 3: needling the major parties. You don't want to say yes

489
00:29:28,333 --> 00:29:31,293
Speaker 3: to anything from either of them. And that's basically what

490
00:29:31,333 --> 00:29:35,733
Speaker 3: they do. They are basically the grumps and the grumblers

491
00:29:35,773 --> 00:29:40,653
Speaker 3: who who you know, pops on both your houses and

492
00:29:41,453 --> 00:29:43,373
Speaker 3: because that's what their voters put them in there for,

493
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:48,293
Speaker 3: they haven't got any incentive whatsoever to be cooperative and

494
00:29:48,373 --> 00:29:51,133
Speaker 3: so they're not. And that's that's the problem. We've got

495
00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:56,093
Speaker 3: an Upper House, which is which thwarts the democratic mandate

496
00:29:56,213 --> 00:30:00,853
Speaker 3: of the Lower House constantly and waters down good legislation

497
00:30:01,733 --> 00:30:06,133
Speaker 3: just for silly ends. And you get people like former

498
00:30:06,173 --> 00:30:08,973
Speaker 3: rugby league players in there who have I end up

499
00:30:08,973 --> 00:30:12,853
Speaker 3: having the casting vote on say, university funding, and you

500
00:30:12,933 --> 00:30:15,893
Speaker 3: sort of think, well, you were damn good at rugby league,

501
00:30:15,893 --> 00:30:17,653
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure that that's what we want to

502
00:30:17,653 --> 00:30:20,573
Speaker 3: take your You're going to be the deciding voice on

503
00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:21,973
Speaker 3: that in the whole country.

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Speaker 2: It seems a bit nuts. You know, Well, there are

505
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Speaker 2: two states that I have worked in. I've worked in more.

506
00:30:30,813 --> 00:30:34,813
Speaker 2: I've worked in four states on radio I'm talking. But

507
00:30:34,933 --> 00:30:39,973
Speaker 2: Tasmania was the first and South Australia was the second

508
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Speaker 2: that I want to refer to. I lasted six months

509
00:30:43,413 --> 00:30:48,573
Speaker 2: in both states before I got out. Are you thrown

510
00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:49,013
Speaker 2: out late?

511
00:30:49,133 --> 00:30:49,173
Speaker 4: No?

512
00:30:50,533 --> 00:30:54,133
Speaker 2: No, I certainly wasn't thrown out. I was. In fact,

513
00:30:54,133 --> 00:31:00,013
Speaker 2: they went overboard in Adelaide to keep me. That's another story,

514
00:31:00,413 --> 00:31:05,573
Speaker 2: but the point being that it doesn't surprise me about

515
00:31:05,573 --> 00:31:12,173
Speaker 2: Tasmania being tode Lee labor after this election. Uh. And

516
00:31:12,213 --> 00:31:14,973
Speaker 2: they're very big on green stuff down there too, uh.

517
00:31:15,053 --> 00:31:20,413
Speaker 2: And and South Australia isn't isn't maybe that far behind

518
00:31:21,693 --> 00:31:22,173
Speaker 2: m you.

519
00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:27,093
Speaker 3: Say, the entire Yeah, well, the entire metropolitan region of

520
00:31:28,573 --> 00:31:30,893
Speaker 3: South Australia is now read.

521
00:31:31,213 --> 00:31:32,213
Speaker 2: You know, we lost.

522
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Speaker 3: There was some hope we win the seed of Boothby

523
00:31:34,773 --> 00:31:41,093
Speaker 3: in the in the Eastern suburbs or southeastern suburbs, and

524
00:31:41,093 --> 00:31:44,773
Speaker 3: and but we we didn't. We didn't win that having

525
00:31:44,773 --> 00:31:47,813
Speaker 3: a very good candidate and lost the seed to Sturt.

526
00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:50,173
Speaker 3: It used to be Christopher Pine's old seat if you remember,

527
00:31:50,613 --> 00:31:53,333
Speaker 3: So that's that's the last seat that they hold in

528
00:31:53,333 --> 00:31:58,253
Speaker 3: in in metropolitan Adelaide Mayo up in the Hills borders

529
00:31:58,293 --> 00:32:00,893
Speaker 3: with the Edge of Edgepolitan Adelaide and Adelaide Hills. That

530
00:32:00,893 --> 00:32:05,533
Speaker 3: that went to a independent some time back. So yeah,

531
00:32:05,693 --> 00:32:09,773
Speaker 3: that's the brutal truth that there are two coalition MPs

532
00:32:10,293 --> 00:32:14,333
Speaker 3: in South Australia, but they're basically the country MPs. They're

533
00:32:14,373 --> 00:32:19,413
Speaker 3: basically two country MPs in the South and North, the

534
00:32:19,453 --> 00:32:22,533
Speaker 3: states divided pretty neatly so that they're out of the

535
00:32:22,573 --> 00:32:27,093
Speaker 3: city and will struggle to get a toe hold back.

536
00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:28,893
Speaker 3: I suspect, but I don't know.

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00:32:28,933 --> 00:32:29,173
Speaker 2: I mean.

538
00:32:29,613 --> 00:32:31,813
Speaker 3: And of course they've got a labor state government and

539
00:32:31,853 --> 00:32:36,413
Speaker 3: they have had pretty much for twenty years that they

540
00:32:36,453 --> 00:32:40,613
Speaker 3: had one term of liberal government. Wasn't very successful in between,

541
00:32:40,693 --> 00:32:43,973
Speaker 3: but they've been in power and quite a good premier

542
00:32:44,173 --> 00:32:49,133
Speaker 3: incidentally down there at Peter melanowskis So it's a labor

543
00:32:49,173 --> 00:32:52,493
Speaker 3: state top to bottom. One thing you could say about Adelaide.

544
00:32:52,493 --> 00:32:56,133
Speaker 3: If you look at the economy, it's very low on

545
00:32:56,213 --> 00:33:00,213
Speaker 3: private enterprise. It struggles, so you know, it's almost a

546
00:33:00,253 --> 00:33:05,773
Speaker 3: civil service town in many respects. You know, everybody, large

547
00:33:05,773 --> 00:33:08,613
Speaker 3: percentage of people either work for the government or they

548
00:33:08,693 --> 00:33:11,293
Speaker 3: get their paycheck thanks to the government if they work

549
00:33:11,333 --> 00:33:15,773
Speaker 3: in a hospital or doctor or something. So it's and

550
00:33:15,813 --> 00:33:18,013
Speaker 3: if you're in that position, or if you're on the

551
00:33:18,053 --> 00:33:20,253
Speaker 3: other end of the extreme, you're you know, sort of

552
00:33:20,293 --> 00:33:25,053
Speaker 3: welfare dependent person, you've no motivation to vote for the

553
00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:29,453
Speaker 3: Liberals because you know, you want the party that is

554
00:33:29,493 --> 00:33:32,373
Speaker 3: a big government party and they're the ones that keep

555
00:33:32,413 --> 00:33:35,773
Speaker 3: paying a paycheck. So you get to that threshold which

556
00:33:35,853 --> 00:33:38,493
Speaker 3: I think South Australia passed some time back, where it's

557
00:33:38,573 --> 00:33:43,133
Speaker 3: very hard for an enterprise orientated, free market party to

558
00:33:43,173 --> 00:33:43,733
Speaker 3: break through.

559
00:33:44,453 --> 00:33:51,253
Speaker 2: Just Center Price was on television last night and Carolyn said, well,

560
00:33:51,293 --> 00:33:55,653
Speaker 2: she commented how impressive she was and wouldn't she make

561
00:33:55,693 --> 00:34:00,973
Speaker 2: a good leader of the Liberals? And I wanted to

562
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:06,413
Speaker 2: agree with it, but I couldn't quite what's your thought, Well,

563
00:34:06,773 --> 00:34:10,893
Speaker 2: it's a nice thought. For a lot of number of reasons,

564
00:34:10,253 --> 00:34:17,533
Speaker 2: it might not happen. But she's she's just tough, street

565
00:34:17,613 --> 00:34:23,293
Speaker 2: smart and common sense and well spoken. And if you

566
00:34:23,733 --> 00:34:27,293
Speaker 2: read an autobiography which came out I think just for Christmas,

567
00:34:28,253 --> 00:34:31,493
Speaker 2: she tells the story of her own life being brought

568
00:34:31,573 --> 00:34:35,053
Speaker 2: up in a a in a in an Aboriginal town

569
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:39,573
Speaker 2: in the middle of the Tamini Desert, and she, you know,

570
00:34:39,613 --> 00:34:43,413
Speaker 2: a brutal place to grow up in and she suffered violence,

571
00:34:43,533 --> 00:34:47,773
Speaker 2: family violence, a lot, you know, but she remarkably managed

572
00:34:47,813 --> 00:34:49,453
Speaker 2: to pull herself out of it, thanks I think largely

573
00:34:49,533 --> 00:34:52,933
Speaker 2: to her mother, who was a terrific woman. So she's

574
00:34:52,933 --> 00:34:56,013
Speaker 2: lived a tough life, right, So she's the sort of

575
00:34:56,053 --> 00:34:58,773
Speaker 2: stuff they throw at you in politics. She just you know,

576
00:34:58,853 --> 00:35:02,093
Speaker 2: it's nothing for her, you know, because she's so That's

577
00:35:02,133 --> 00:35:05,013
Speaker 2: where she's really strong. Plus she's very well liked across

578
00:35:05,053 --> 00:35:11,493
Speaker 2: the country. And she was the leading voice that encouraged

579
00:35:11,493 --> 00:35:14,013
Speaker 2: Australians to reject the Voice to Parliament. She was dead

580
00:35:14,013 --> 00:35:16,853
Speaker 2: against it. So she's a terrific woman and.

581
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Speaker 3: She's you've been interested, you should mention her because I

582
00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:23,533
Speaker 3: think one for me, one of the the turning points

583
00:35:23,533 --> 00:35:26,693
Speaker 3: of the campaign when I sort of said oh, was

584
00:35:26,773 --> 00:35:29,773
Speaker 3: when she stood up. She was there with Peter Dutton

585
00:35:29,773 --> 00:35:31,973
Speaker 3: and she said we want to make Australia great again.

586
00:35:32,693 --> 00:35:35,093
Speaker 3: And then of course all the all the all the

587
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,773
Speaker 3: Trump haters and Dunton haters got in and said, oh,

588
00:35:37,853 --> 00:35:42,253
Speaker 3: you sound like Donald Trump. You're mimicking Donald Trump, and Dute,

589
00:35:42,293 --> 00:35:46,333
Speaker 3: who was so worried about being compared to Donald Trump's

590
00:35:46,333 --> 00:35:49,933
Speaker 3: at that point, of course, he'd become quite unpopular for

591
00:35:50,013 --> 00:35:53,853
Speaker 3: his trade measures and his and his foreign affairs. You know,

592
00:35:53,853 --> 00:35:58,373
Speaker 3: he's treated Laodamiller's Zelenski. So he backed away and everybody

593
00:35:58,493 --> 00:36:01,373
Speaker 3: backed away, and I think just Enterprise was forced to

594
00:36:01,373 --> 00:36:03,653
Speaker 3: make some sort of apology and say, well, of course

595
00:36:03,653 --> 00:36:06,053
Speaker 3: I didn't want to reflect Donald Trump. And I thought,

596
00:36:06,053 --> 00:36:09,413
Speaker 3: we've lost your nerve now, because if you took that

597
00:36:09,493 --> 00:36:11,653
Speaker 3: to a referendum, you know, do you want to make

598
00:36:11,693 --> 00:36:14,413
Speaker 3: Australia create again? If you could theoretically take that to

599
00:36:14,453 --> 00:36:17,973
Speaker 3: a referendum, is there any chance that would be lost?

600
00:36:18,653 --> 00:36:22,853
Speaker 3: It would be a thumping majority, so they didn't play

601
00:36:22,893 --> 00:36:26,533
Speaker 3: into that, backed away from that, would not play into

602
00:36:26,533 --> 00:36:29,133
Speaker 3: that nationalist rhetoric for fear of sand like Donald Trump,

603
00:36:29,253 --> 00:36:31,813
Speaker 3: that's just what we actually need right now when you've

604
00:36:31,853 --> 00:36:36,373
Speaker 3: got the Chinese gumboats off our shores and Russia threatening

605
00:36:36,373 --> 00:36:39,613
Speaker 3: to put long range aircraft in Indonesia, and you know,

606
00:36:39,653 --> 00:36:42,293
Speaker 3: we're feeling a bit exposed because we're not sure how

607
00:36:42,293 --> 00:36:46,013
Speaker 3: committed the Americans are. We'd love people to say, come on,

608
00:36:46,053 --> 00:36:48,133
Speaker 3: we're going to make Australia great. We're going to all

609
00:36:48,253 --> 00:36:51,773
Speaker 3: rally round, and which is the kind of rhetoric that

610
00:36:52,773 --> 00:36:59,213
Speaker 3: both candidates used in Canada. Both Polyev and Karne both

611
00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:02,973
Speaker 3: used that rhetoric and the result both of them got

612
00:37:03,093 --> 00:37:05,213
Speaker 3: a massive increase in their primary vote.

613
00:37:05,373 --> 00:37:07,893
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a number of headlines from this morning.

614
00:37:08,813 --> 00:37:12,573
Speaker 2: Liberal Party donors threatened to pull donations after coalition loss.

615
00:37:13,093 --> 00:37:16,333
Speaker 2: Is that any surprise, No.

616
00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:20,373
Speaker 3: I think that we'll see what the how they feel

617
00:37:20,373 --> 00:37:24,693
Speaker 3: in two years time. Certainly there was a I think

618
00:37:24,733 --> 00:37:29,213
Speaker 3: there is there is will be a lot of anger

619
00:37:29,253 --> 00:37:32,533
Speaker 3: from donors because there was a few big donors who

620
00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:37,013
Speaker 3: were giving large amounts of money because they just could

621
00:37:37,133 --> 00:37:41,173
Speaker 3: see the danger that the labor government played was what

622
00:37:41,453 --> 00:37:44,973
Speaker 3: was to the business community and the prosperity of the

623
00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:48,813
Speaker 3: country more generally. And so they did get behind the

624
00:37:48,853 --> 00:37:51,373
Speaker 3: Libs and they'll fill they didn't get value for money,

625
00:37:51,453 --> 00:37:54,213
Speaker 3: no doubt about that. Whether they pull their funding on

626
00:37:54,293 --> 00:37:56,013
Speaker 3: what sure, But it's threatening.

627
00:37:56,653 --> 00:38:01,853
Speaker 2: Look, we haven't actually discussed Peter Dunton and I know

628
00:38:01,893 --> 00:38:04,573
Speaker 2: that he's being discussed all over and there are people

629
00:38:04,573 --> 00:38:08,213
Speaker 2: who are very disgusted with him. But does he does

630
00:38:11,373 --> 00:38:12,133
Speaker 2: does he deserve it?

631
00:38:12,893 --> 00:38:18,173
Speaker 3: Well, look, there are Peter Dutton and nobody's ever pretended otherwise.

632
00:38:18,173 --> 00:38:22,533
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton has had a few difficulties to contend with

633
00:38:22,613 --> 00:38:26,413
Speaker 3: from the beginning. He didn't look great. I mean he

634
00:38:26,973 --> 00:38:30,533
Speaker 3: suffers from a certain condition which means had not only

635
00:38:30,573 --> 00:38:34,453
Speaker 3: to lose his hair, he lost his eyebrows. So he

636
00:38:34,493 --> 00:38:37,413
Speaker 3: looks very similar to Christopher Luxon in many ways actually so,

637
00:38:38,093 --> 00:38:43,133
Speaker 3: but you know, he's not an attractive figure he visually,

638
00:38:44,253 --> 00:38:47,493
Speaker 3: and so that is unfortunately something you have to wrestle

639
00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:52,133
Speaker 3: with in politics. And also he doesn't easily show his

640
00:38:52,613 --> 00:38:56,013
Speaker 3: true emotions, so he's not he's not. He doesn't easily

641
00:38:56,093 --> 00:39:00,133
Speaker 3: sort of come switch from to the emotional rhetoric very well.

642
00:39:00,613 --> 00:39:03,253
Speaker 3: So when you're when you've got that doesn't mean to

643
00:39:03,293 --> 00:39:05,933
Speaker 3: say you're unelectable, which I just think you've got to work.

644
00:39:06,173 --> 00:39:06,853
Speaker 2: You've got to do.

645
00:39:06,973 --> 00:39:09,853
Speaker 3: Much much better than a nominal fifty to fifty or

646
00:39:09,893 --> 00:39:12,053
Speaker 3: fifty one forty nine to get elected.

647
00:39:12,093 --> 00:39:14,333
Speaker 2: You just have to have that extra buffer.

648
00:39:14,693 --> 00:39:19,533
Speaker 3: So in that sense, that's that's he doesn't deserve criticism

649
00:39:19,573 --> 00:39:20,773
Speaker 3: for how he looks, but.

650
00:39:22,493 --> 00:39:24,533
Speaker 2: It is all that it is. But it is unfortunate.

651
00:39:25,173 --> 00:39:29,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, And nor does he deserve criticism. For most of

652
00:39:29,213 --> 00:39:31,773
Speaker 3: the three years as opposition leader, which was remarkable, he

653
00:39:31,893 --> 00:39:34,613
Speaker 3: united the party room, he got and geared up. He

654
00:39:34,693 --> 00:39:38,333
Speaker 3: got them in a position to win, and they looked

655
00:39:38,533 --> 00:39:40,573
Speaker 3: ahead of the Poles. They were ahead of the Poles

656
00:39:41,373 --> 00:39:44,173
Speaker 3: at the start of the year. So he did that.

657
00:39:44,733 --> 00:39:47,493
Speaker 3: But then the question is, of course, well how much

658
00:39:47,573 --> 00:39:51,453
Speaker 3: was he responsible for the rapid decline in the party's

659
00:39:51,653 --> 00:39:54,053
Speaker 3: vote from about early March onwards?

660
00:39:54,493 --> 00:39:55,933
Speaker 2: And well, entirely.

661
00:39:56,173 --> 00:40:01,173
Speaker 3: And I think what what happened is that he became nervous.

662
00:40:01,973 --> 00:40:04,213
Speaker 3: We hadn't seen the whites of his eyes up to

663
00:40:04,253 --> 00:40:06,773
Speaker 3: that point, but once he was in the lead, he thought, well,

664
00:40:06,773 --> 00:40:09,573
Speaker 3: I've got to hold onto this, and then became extraordinarily

665
00:40:09,613 --> 00:40:14,773
Speaker 3: cautious with policy and.

666
00:40:13,373 --> 00:40:14,573
Speaker 2: And not not.

667
00:40:16,093 --> 00:40:19,573
Speaker 3: Going on the attack, not not running the same negative

668
00:40:19,613 --> 00:40:22,933
Speaker 3: campaign that Labor and so that caution in the end

669
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:26,893
Speaker 3: cost him, uh the chance to be Prime minister in

670
00:40:26,893 --> 00:40:30,093
Speaker 3: my view, because you in opposition you can't be cautious.

671
00:40:30,133 --> 00:40:32,973
Speaker 3: You just have to go out there like a whirling

672
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:35,733
Speaker 3: dervish and just just go it, go for it, you know,

673
00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:39,053
Speaker 3: and which is what Tony Abbott was famously very good at.

674
00:40:40,773 --> 00:40:43,973
Speaker 2: In the States. They're talking about somebody had forgotten who

675
00:40:43,973 --> 00:40:47,853
Speaker 2: it was? Now was it was it musk anyway? Big balls?

676
00:40:48,813 --> 00:40:51,213
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, you're familiar with what I'm saying.

677
00:40:51,733 --> 00:40:55,413
Speaker 3: Big balls? They think I've read that reference? They do

678
00:40:55,573 --> 00:40:56,813
Speaker 3: you care to explain it to me?

679
00:40:57,333 --> 00:41:00,613
Speaker 2: Well, just just just not frightened of anything, just I

680
00:41:00,853 --> 00:41:03,813
Speaker 2: got the got the guts if you like. But but

681
00:41:03,893 --> 00:41:06,093
Speaker 2: that that term has been adopted now and it's being

682
00:41:06,253 --> 00:41:10,333
Speaker 2: used in you know, all sorts of newspapers and what

683
00:41:10,373 --> 00:41:14,493
Speaker 2: have you. Right, I just think that that dutn't lacked

684
00:41:14,693 --> 00:41:18,933
Speaker 2: precisely that m Yeah, we often call it mongrel. I

685
00:41:18,973 --> 00:41:19,773
Speaker 2: think you do too.

686
00:41:21,333 --> 00:41:23,893
Speaker 3: Oh, Look, I think so, I think I think yeah,

687
00:41:23,893 --> 00:41:27,293
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly that's right. I mean I think he

688
00:41:27,453 --> 00:41:31,333
Speaker 3: just lost his nerve towards the end and was so

689
00:41:31,493 --> 00:41:36,213
Speaker 3: worried of things being used against him, either by labor

690
00:41:36,133 --> 00:41:38,653
Speaker 3: or the or the press, that he just went into

691
00:41:38,853 --> 00:41:42,693
Speaker 3: complete defensive mode and and didn't present policies which he

692
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:45,293
Speaker 3: should have done. For instance, I mean, there was a

693
00:41:45,413 --> 00:41:49,773
Speaker 3: very strong tax reform policy sitting in his draw that

694
00:41:50,533 --> 00:41:53,933
Speaker 3: the Treasurer of Opposition, Treasurer Angus Taylor had drawn up,

695
00:41:54,573 --> 00:42:02,293
Speaker 3: and it included scrapping, well no introducing. It included indexing

696
00:42:02,333 --> 00:42:04,373
Speaker 3: of tax brackets, which is a big issue here. I

697
00:42:04,413 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 3: don't know whether it's the same in New Zealand.

698
00:42:05,973 --> 00:42:11,293
Speaker 2: But look what is now you finished, because I'll explode.

699
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:14,893
Speaker 3: So indexing of tax trackets obviously when you know whatever

700
00:42:14,933 --> 00:42:18,893
Speaker 3: the threshold is, say thirty five thousand to go under

701
00:42:18,933 --> 00:42:22,253
Speaker 3: the second high the second rate of tax, that never moves.

702
00:42:22,333 --> 00:42:24,573
Speaker 3: So as people earn more, you know, more and more

703
00:42:24,613 --> 00:42:28,413
Speaker 3: people are caught in high and tax rates. The government

704
00:42:28,453 --> 00:42:31,533
Speaker 3: makes a lot of money that way by not moving

705
00:42:31,573 --> 00:42:34,573
Speaker 3: the rates. But of course it's desperately unfair and people

706
00:42:34,613 --> 00:42:36,973
Speaker 3: know it's unfair, so they had a plan to get

707
00:42:37,053 --> 00:42:39,173
Speaker 3: rid of that. It's going to be It's not cheap,

708
00:42:39,373 --> 00:42:41,093
Speaker 3: I mean, because the government's got to take a haircut

709
00:42:41,093 --> 00:42:42,693
Speaker 3: with revenue. But they had a plan to do that

710
00:42:42,773 --> 00:42:44,693
Speaker 3: and how they do it and where they make savings.

711
00:42:45,373 --> 00:42:46,093
Speaker 2: But that was.

712
00:42:47,693 --> 00:42:49,893
Speaker 3: Dutton said, Look, I didn't want that, So as I

713
00:42:49,973 --> 00:42:53,933
Speaker 3: understand it, that was Dunton's call. And so Angus Taylor

714
00:42:54,013 --> 00:42:58,133
Speaker 3: just had to buy his time and and and not

715
00:42:58,253 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 3: put forward this what I think would have been a

716
00:43:00,293 --> 00:43:03,453
Speaker 3: very popular measure. So that's that, I think is a

717
00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:06,333
Speaker 3: sign of a leader who's lost his courage.

718
00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:13,333
Speaker 2: That that brings me to Michael de Percy and a

719
00:43:13,413 --> 00:43:18,613
Speaker 2: column from The Spectator yesterday. Angus and Dan can save

720
00:43:18,693 --> 00:43:21,253
Speaker 2: the Liberals and the mainstream media keep banging on about

721
00:43:21,253 --> 00:43:25,493
Speaker 2: how the coalition lost because they aren't left enough. That

722
00:43:25,613 --> 00:43:29,813
Speaker 2: is absolute nonsense. The Liberals facilitated the fracturing of the

723
00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:34,813
Speaker 2: conservative votes by being labor liked. Every conservative knows this

724
00:43:34,893 --> 00:43:37,733
Speaker 2: is true. Conservatives don't want the Liberal Party to go left.

725
00:43:37,973 --> 00:43:40,853
Speaker 2: They want the Liberal Party to be conservative. Well, all

726
00:43:40,853 --> 00:43:44,533
Speaker 2: of that's pretty obvious, I think. But bottom line is

727
00:43:44,533 --> 00:43:47,973
Speaker 2: is Angus Taylor a prospect?

728
00:43:48,933 --> 00:43:54,093
Speaker 3: In my view, he's the best prospect. He is the

729
00:43:54,213 --> 00:43:58,733
Speaker 3: smartest man in any room I've been in. He's rapier

730
00:43:58,773 --> 00:44:02,093
Speaker 3: sharp when it comes to economic policy and policy more generally.

731
00:44:02,653 --> 00:44:06,573
Speaker 3: He's a deep thinker. He's an Oxford man. He worked

732
00:44:06,613 --> 00:44:09,013
Speaker 3: for he doesn't have to be in policy, which I

733
00:44:09,013 --> 00:44:11,013
Speaker 3: guess is weighing on his mind at the moment because

734
00:44:11,013 --> 00:44:13,573
Speaker 3: he you know, he had a very very well paid

735
00:44:13,613 --> 00:44:16,213
Speaker 3: job in the private sector as a senior advisor at

736
00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:20,293
Speaker 3: the companies around the world. I mean, he could go

737
00:44:20,373 --> 00:44:22,253
Speaker 3: back to that job and be making ten times as

738
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:23,693
Speaker 3: much money as he can make at the moment. So

739
00:44:24,053 --> 00:44:25,693
Speaker 3: one of the things I reckon would be on his

740
00:44:25,773 --> 00:44:28,333
Speaker 3: mind right now would be do I really want the

741
00:44:28,373 --> 00:44:31,293
Speaker 3: pain and that it's going to come with picking up

742
00:44:31,573 --> 00:44:35,693
Speaker 3: this party in opposition. But it is precisely because he's

743
00:44:36,453 --> 00:44:39,773
Speaker 3: he's a solid conservative, is from the country. You know,

744
00:44:39,813 --> 00:44:45,653
Speaker 3: he's a farming family. He's got very solid values, in

745
00:44:45,773 --> 00:44:52,973
Speaker 3: my view, about about conservative values and commitment to smaller government,

746
00:44:53,133 --> 00:44:56,133
Speaker 3: or at least if more efficient government, and governments that

747
00:44:56,173 --> 00:45:00,573
Speaker 3: spend within their means, you know, the sort of Thatcher

748
00:45:00,613 --> 00:45:04,013
Speaker 3: and Reagan policy. He's committed to that, and that's his

749
00:45:04,093 --> 00:45:06,893
Speaker 3: frustration is he can't you know, that's so hard in

750
00:45:07,013 --> 00:45:10,133
Speaker 3: this in this era. So but what's happened is, of

751
00:45:10,173 --> 00:45:15,693
Speaker 3: course he does have some enemies in the party who

752
00:45:15,733 --> 00:45:19,733
Speaker 3: are just leaking mercilessly on him now, completely unfairly and

753
00:45:19,973 --> 00:45:23,573
Speaker 3: just complete nonsense. And they're doing that because it's a

754
00:45:23,613 --> 00:45:28,133
Speaker 3: deeply factionalized party, particularly in New South Wales, a very

755
00:45:28,173 --> 00:45:33,173
Speaker 3: strong so called moderate faction which would like to do

756
00:45:33,253 --> 00:45:37,213
Speaker 3: away with a lot of policies, probably the nuclear policy

757
00:45:37,253 --> 00:45:40,373
Speaker 3: as well. So there's a lot at stake here and

758
00:45:40,413 --> 00:45:45,213
Speaker 3: they will fight and quite dirtily to try and smear

759
00:45:45,293 --> 00:45:48,853
Speaker 3: him with, you know, the blame for the campaign, which

760
00:45:48,893 --> 00:45:54,653
Speaker 3: is absolutely unwarranted in my view, and they'll downplay his

761
00:45:54,733 --> 00:45:56,653
Speaker 3: credentials and everything.

762
00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:58,813
Speaker 2: But I think he's he's.

763
00:45:58,653 --> 00:46:00,413
Speaker 3: You know, he's a sort of you know, he reminds

764
00:46:00,413 --> 00:46:02,933
Speaker 3: me of It reminds me of a Bill English. He's

765
00:46:02,933 --> 00:46:07,653
Speaker 3: that kind of guy. But he just solid very similar

766
00:46:07,973 --> 00:46:10,053
Speaker 3: law and feel to Angus's Bill English.

767
00:46:10,093 --> 00:46:13,133
Speaker 2: That's where I put him. Bill. Bill is a good guy.

768
00:46:14,133 --> 00:46:17,733
Speaker 2: He didn't have the persona to take people with him

769
00:46:17,773 --> 00:46:22,093
Speaker 2: on many occasions. I feel as as the as the

770
00:46:22,133 --> 00:46:26,453
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, would you say that Angus Taylor was in

771
00:46:26,493 --> 00:46:27,133
Speaker 2: that category.

772
00:46:28,053 --> 00:46:30,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably in the same way. He'd probably got to

773
00:46:30,453 --> 00:46:34,573
Speaker 3: gotta work on that side too, just as Bill English did.

774
00:46:34,853 --> 00:46:37,733
Speaker 3: It's consequence I think of being, you know, a certain

775
00:46:37,773 --> 00:46:40,213
Speaker 3: type of person where you think quite deeply about things

776
00:46:40,253 --> 00:46:42,253
Speaker 3: and you come to a recent answer, and you you

777
00:46:42,893 --> 00:46:45,773
Speaker 3: expect everybody else to come to that conclusion too, because

778
00:46:46,253 --> 00:46:48,533
Speaker 3: other people are like five steps behind you, and you

779
00:46:48,653 --> 00:46:51,533
Speaker 3: need to sort of bring them on with with more

780
00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:56,533
Speaker 3: more retail language. If you like, yeah, so I've got

781
00:46:56,533 --> 00:46:58,813
Speaker 3: like I mean, he'd be my pick. I think Dan

782
00:46:59,053 --> 00:47:03,933
Speaker 3: dan Tian is. The other possibility is again you know,

783
00:47:04,013 --> 00:47:08,373
Speaker 3: he's a country MP, he's from Victoria from one and

784
00:47:08,373 --> 00:47:16,933
Speaker 3: and he's a very solid guy, quite a sharp intellect. Again, look,

785
00:47:16,973 --> 00:47:19,573
Speaker 3: I think they both make good candidates, but I would

786
00:47:19,573 --> 00:47:22,053
Speaker 3: have thought that Angus would be the one they turned

787
00:47:22,133 --> 00:47:24,893
Speaker 3: to if they're simply going on the basis of talent

788
00:47:25,213 --> 00:47:25,893
Speaker 3: and ability.

789
00:47:27,333 --> 00:47:31,413
Speaker 2: So another headline from this morning that got my attention

790
00:47:31,533 --> 00:47:35,653
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese leads a more left dominated Labor party that

791
00:47:35,733 --> 00:47:40,693
Speaker 2: will stall economic reform and the opening couple of lines,

792
00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:44,133
Speaker 2: the fundamental question must be asked, in light of Labour's

793
00:47:44,293 --> 00:47:47,573
Speaker 2: thumping victory, whether as a nation we have lost the

794
00:47:47,613 --> 00:47:51,413
Speaker 2: war on economic dependency. It would appear to be over

795
00:47:51,453 --> 00:47:53,813
Speaker 2: for the moment. The problem will be that once dependency

796
00:47:53,853 --> 00:47:57,653
Speaker 2: is entrenched into the political culture, the economy will eventually

797
00:47:57,733 --> 00:48:00,253
Speaker 2: bite back. The only question is when.

798
00:48:00,573 --> 00:48:04,133
Speaker 3: Any thoughts Yeah, I think I don't know whether the

799
00:48:04,173 --> 00:48:06,933
Speaker 3: country's move that way, but certainly the Labor Party has

800
00:48:07,893 --> 00:48:11,773
Speaker 3: a so I think they've elected. I mean, I don't

801
00:48:11,813 --> 00:48:14,693
Speaker 3: know the new members that are going to make a

802
00:48:14,733 --> 00:48:16,893
Speaker 3: difference in the party room, except to have seen them

803
00:48:16,933 --> 00:48:20,133
Speaker 3: on the television. General observation that they're all quite young

804
00:48:20,173 --> 00:48:24,133
Speaker 3: and predominantly female. And what we know is that young

805
00:48:24,173 --> 00:48:27,693
Speaker 3: female voters are probably more likely to vote Green than

806
00:48:27,773 --> 00:48:33,173
Speaker 3: Labor actually because that's their politics, and say it will

807
00:48:33,173 --> 00:48:35,053
Speaker 3: be there. We saw it in the last parliament. We

808
00:48:35,133 --> 00:48:37,813
Speaker 3: saw it. It came to the four not so much

809
00:48:37,853 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 3: of economic questions as Palestine. You know, there are a

810
00:48:41,533 --> 00:48:45,813
Speaker 3: lot of people even though you know, the Labor Party

811
00:48:45,853 --> 00:48:49,293
Speaker 3: basically walked away from supporting Israel, there are a lot

812
00:48:49,333 --> 00:48:51,093
Speaker 3: of people that felt they hadn't done a laugh, you know,

813
00:48:51,133 --> 00:48:54,493
Speaker 3: and it should be sort of calling for international courts

814
00:48:54,493 --> 00:48:56,733
Speaker 3: to judge Israel and for genocide and all this quite

815
00:48:56,773 --> 00:49:00,733
Speaker 3: extreme view. So yeah, they're going to face that. He

816
00:49:00,773 --> 00:49:03,933
Speaker 3: will have he's on the left of the party himself,

817
00:49:03,933 --> 00:49:06,733
Speaker 3: of course, but he's going to have to put a

818
00:49:06,733 --> 00:49:11,253
Speaker 3: lot of effort into calming the people on the left

819
00:49:11,253 --> 00:49:12,853
Speaker 3: that want him to go even further left.

820
00:49:14,653 --> 00:49:18,093
Speaker 2: Why do you think it's young women who I have

821
00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:20,053
Speaker 2: a theory, but why do you think it's young women

822
00:49:20,133 --> 00:49:26,453
Speaker 2: who fall into this trap with regard to matters green

823
00:49:27,613 --> 00:49:33,173
Speaker 2: and other matters like well, the Middle East. I don't know.

824
00:49:33,253 --> 00:49:38,493
Speaker 3: I'm I'm hesitant on this one because I will be

825
00:49:38,533 --> 00:49:40,613
Speaker 3: called out if I make a judgment on what young

826
00:49:40,653 --> 00:49:43,573
Speaker 3: women think, and because not a woman young women think

827
00:49:43,613 --> 00:49:48,613
Speaker 3: the same. But it's marked. I can't give you an explanation,

828
00:49:48,693 --> 00:49:52,293
Speaker 3: but it is marked. In Australian politics now the difference

829
00:49:52,333 --> 00:49:57,573
Speaker 3: between men are eighteen to twenty five and twenty six

830
00:49:57,653 --> 00:50:00,333
Speaker 3: to thirty four voters and women in the same categories,

831
00:50:00,453 --> 00:50:05,693
Speaker 3: just like whide divide, and the women are predominantly Green.

832
00:50:05,693 --> 00:50:08,333
Speaker 3: I mean I was out on a few polling boot

833
00:50:10,693 --> 00:50:13,253
Speaker 3: before the election and you'd sort of see a young

834
00:50:13,293 --> 00:50:15,613
Speaker 3: woman of a certain age and a certain look coming

835
00:50:16,333 --> 00:50:19,413
Speaker 3: and you just put your packet a Liberal party how

836
00:50:19,413 --> 00:50:21,573
Speaker 3: to vote cards away because just you knew she was

837
00:50:21,613 --> 00:50:25,173
Speaker 3: going to go to the Green candidate or Labor possibly

838
00:50:25,253 --> 00:50:26,533
Speaker 3: but almost certainly Green.

839
00:50:26,813 --> 00:50:27,373
Speaker 2: It's just.

840
00:50:30,213 --> 00:50:32,893
Speaker 3: So wed hazard a guess. I mean that they've been

841
00:50:33,453 --> 00:50:36,693
Speaker 3: been to university and they've been indoctrinated since since they

842
00:50:36,693 --> 00:50:40,013
Speaker 3: first went to school about some of this climate change

843
00:50:40,013 --> 00:50:44,093
Speaker 3: stuff and you know, anti colonialism and we're all living

844
00:50:44,133 --> 00:50:46,973
Speaker 3: on stolen land, all that sort of stuff that's deep

845
00:50:47,013 --> 00:50:50,053
Speaker 3: in their heads. But that doesn't account for why the men,

846
00:50:51,373 --> 00:50:55,973
Speaker 3: the young men voters vote differently, so that I think,

847
00:50:56,573 --> 00:50:58,333
Speaker 3: you know less inclined to vote that way.

848
00:50:58,413 --> 00:51:02,373
Speaker 2: So it's I don't know what it is. Well, well

849
00:51:02,453 --> 00:51:06,373
Speaker 2: you you touched on them quite rightly. The education system

850
00:51:06,373 --> 00:51:08,453
Speaker 2: has a great deal to do, and they lay the groundwork,

851
00:51:09,253 --> 00:51:16,853
Speaker 2: even even into kindergarten. Uh and even even matters sexual

852
00:51:16,973 --> 00:51:22,253
Speaker 2: in kindergarten. The media is I think responsible for the

853
00:51:22,373 --> 00:51:24,893
Speaker 2: for the rest of it. I mean, they get taught

854
00:51:24,933 --> 00:51:29,133
Speaker 2: this stuff or presented with with what what you just

855
00:51:29,213 --> 00:51:33,893
Speaker 2: discussed in the education system, and then it gets verified

856
00:51:34,053 --> 00:51:37,893
Speaker 2: as far as they're concerned by the media. Yeah yeah,

857
00:51:38,053 --> 00:51:41,253
Speaker 2: that would be right. Yeah, yeah, that's they live.

858
00:51:41,093 --> 00:51:43,813
Speaker 3: In in that that world, that paradigm.

859
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it may be it may be that the

860
00:51:47,253 --> 00:51:51,253
Speaker 2: young guys are more interested in other things than looking

861
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Speaker 2: for the meaning of life.

862
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's right, isn't it with fast cars,

863
00:51:58,893 --> 00:52:01,573
Speaker 3: football all the rest. Yeah, okay, I get I get that.

864
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Rob McCulloch who has a blog site.

865
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Speaker 2: He is a professor at Auckland University. The worst finance

866
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Speaker 2: minister ever Labour's grunt Robertson and now the new one

867
00:52:14,733 --> 00:52:18,973
Speaker 2: who is competing for that title, Nikola Willis, have jointly

868
00:52:19,013 --> 00:52:22,333
Speaker 2: created a fiscal crisis in New Zealand. We currently have

869
00:52:22,573 --> 00:52:25,413
Speaker 2: one of the most one of the worst primary fiscal

870
00:52:25,453 --> 00:52:29,413
Speaker 2: deficits in the developed world in brackets, which is government

871
00:52:29,493 --> 00:52:34,573
Speaker 2: spending minus tax revenues excluding interest costs close bracket. In

872
00:52:34,613 --> 00:52:37,373
Speaker 2: the face of an aging population, New Zealand's public debt

873
00:52:37,413 --> 00:52:42,373
Speaker 2: will start rapidly increasing above its high host pandemic levels

874
00:52:42,413 --> 00:52:47,093
Speaker 2: starting in twenty thirty, as confirmed by the IMF. He

875
00:52:47,253 --> 00:52:50,813
Speaker 2: then goes on the quote a fellow blog of Michael Riddell,

876
00:52:52,573 --> 00:52:56,213
Speaker 2: our current finance minister has only one plan, which isn't

877
00:52:56,213 --> 00:52:59,613
Speaker 2: a plan, cross the fingers and pray for economic growth

878
00:52:59,653 --> 00:53:02,973
Speaker 2: to pick up. We've we've got major issues.

879
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:08,053
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, we've got those same issues. I haven't done

880
00:53:08,053 --> 00:53:11,853
Speaker 3: a cross comparison, but but yeah, I mean, this is

881
00:53:11,893 --> 00:53:14,053
Speaker 3: this is the problem. We've had a government elected with

882
00:53:14,893 --> 00:53:19,413
Speaker 3: a mandate to spend wealth without any mandate or even

883
00:53:19,453 --> 00:53:23,053
Speaker 3: discussion about how we earn the wealth. And that's that's

884
00:53:23,133 --> 00:53:27,653
Speaker 3: the problem for the two countries. They labor call it

885
00:53:27,693 --> 00:53:31,453
Speaker 3: a structural deficit. You know that exactly. What's what you've

886
00:53:31,493 --> 00:53:34,013
Speaker 3: just outlined in that piece, That we're spending more than

887
00:53:34,013 --> 00:53:37,293
Speaker 3: we get in revenue, spending more than we can raise

888
00:53:37,333 --> 00:53:40,013
Speaker 3: in taxes. It's not a structural deficit. It's a government

889
00:53:40,013 --> 00:53:44,653
Speaker 3: that can't live within its means. The massive increases in

890
00:53:44,653 --> 00:53:51,373
Speaker 3: in welfare spending, health spending, education spending, we haven't done

891
00:53:51,453 --> 00:53:54,733
Speaker 3: that just willian nilly, without any any back up with

892
00:53:55,093 --> 00:53:55,653
Speaker 3: how we're going.

893
00:53:55,573 --> 00:53:56,333
Speaker 2: To pay for them.

894
00:53:56,453 --> 00:53:58,293
Speaker 3: And as a result, the one we really should be

895
00:53:58,333 --> 00:54:01,333
Speaker 3: putting more money into now defense. You know, there's limited

896
00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:05,293
Speaker 3: funds available and limited enthusiasm to spend them. So we

897
00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:09,053
Speaker 3: are in a we are in a bind fiscally, and

898
00:54:09,773 --> 00:54:16,093
Speaker 3: that's was hardly debated in the election. That's that's the trouble.

899
00:54:16,093 --> 00:54:18,933
Speaker 3: We've were talking about everything except the important things at

900
00:54:18,933 --> 00:54:21,093
Speaker 3: this stage, and of the two critical issues, which is

901
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Speaker 3: national security and the economy.

902
00:54:24,773 --> 00:54:27,733
Speaker 2: Just in conclusion, unless you want to add anything more,

903
00:54:28,013 --> 00:54:31,573
Speaker 2: the one thing we haven't mentioned is the influence supposed

904
00:54:31,653 --> 00:54:38,253
Speaker 2: influence of Donald Trump. And they're pointing to where there's

905
00:54:38,293 --> 00:54:42,213
Speaker 2: been a reaction Canada being one, Australia being another, and

906
00:54:42,293 --> 00:54:46,813
Speaker 2: saying that Trump's ruining the ruining the world, when in

907
00:54:46,853 --> 00:54:49,853
Speaker 2: fact that's far from the truth. Even this morning, there

908
00:54:49,933 --> 00:54:53,013
Speaker 2: is the story on the Romanian prime minister to resign

909
00:54:53,053 --> 00:54:59,613
Speaker 2: after conservative candidate crushes coalition in do over election. It

910
00:54:59,613 --> 00:55:01,973
Speaker 2: doesn't matter that we don't know exactly what the detail is,

911
00:55:02,013 --> 00:55:07,973
Speaker 2: but the point is that the prime minister resigning has

912
00:55:08,093 --> 00:55:10,533
Speaker 2: every thing to do with the fact that there's a

913
00:55:10,533 --> 00:55:15,133
Speaker 2: conservative running who is a follower of Trump. That was one,

914
00:55:15,253 --> 00:55:17,893
Speaker 2: and there's another one that I can't think of hand

915
00:55:18,333 --> 00:55:19,733
Speaker 2: oh farage of course.

916
00:55:21,013 --> 00:55:27,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well when you talk about, you know, doesn't

917
00:55:28,253 --> 00:55:32,973
Speaker 3: lacking the mongrel then then yeah, I mean, particularly around

918
00:55:33,053 --> 00:55:35,453
Speaker 3: January time of the inauguration, there were a lot of

919
00:55:35,493 --> 00:55:37,373
Speaker 3: people on the conservative side, So you've got to be

920
00:55:37,413 --> 00:55:39,213
Speaker 3: more like Trump, You've got to be more like Trump.

921
00:55:40,093 --> 00:55:45,373
Speaker 3: They stopped saying that once Trump's problematic side started to

922
00:55:45,413 --> 00:55:49,853
Speaker 3: emerge in terms of tariffs and so forth. But I

923
00:55:49,893 --> 00:55:53,213
Speaker 3: never thought that was right. I mean, Trump is fantastic

924
00:55:54,013 --> 00:55:58,533
Speaker 3: for the American context perfect for their current political malaise

925
00:55:58,613 --> 00:56:01,693
Speaker 3: and managed to break through the system as they have

926
00:56:01,773 --> 00:56:03,813
Speaker 3: it there. But because our system is not like that,

927
00:56:03,893 --> 00:56:06,373
Speaker 3: neither is yours. You know, Prime Minister can't just come

928
00:56:06,413 --> 00:56:09,373
Speaker 3: in and do things by decree. You know, he actually

929
00:56:09,373 --> 00:56:12,013
Speaker 3: has to negotiate with Parliament and negotiate with his own

930
00:56:12,053 --> 00:56:14,453
Speaker 3: party first and then Parliament. That's our system, and I

931
00:56:14,453 --> 00:56:16,573
Speaker 3: think I happened to think it's a better system, so

932
00:56:16,613 --> 00:56:20,533
Speaker 3: we didn't need that. But yeah, I mean, because Trump

933
00:56:20,573 --> 00:56:24,733
Speaker 3: is so demonized on the left and by the left

934
00:56:24,933 --> 00:56:28,493
Speaker 3: of course that includes most of the media that you know,

935
00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:31,293
Speaker 3: you Dunne was just away from the start that he

936
00:56:31,373 --> 00:56:34,013
Speaker 3: had to be distance himself from this idea or you're

937
00:56:34,013 --> 00:56:37,613
Speaker 3: going to be the next Donald Trump and America and

938
00:56:38,293 --> 00:56:42,333
Speaker 3: you're going to Americanize Australia, You're going to americanize our

939
00:56:42,373 --> 00:56:44,213
Speaker 3: health service, You're going to know, et.

940
00:56:44,213 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 2: Cetera, et cetera.

941
00:56:45,133 --> 00:56:48,493
Speaker 3: That's what the Labor was saying overtly time and time again.

942
00:56:48,533 --> 00:56:50,933
Speaker 3: It was a big part of the negative campaign. So yes,

943
00:56:51,333 --> 00:56:54,373
Speaker 3: it gave labor the ammunition I think is what happened,

944
00:56:54,453 --> 00:56:56,373
Speaker 3: and that's not Trump's full I don't think you can

945
00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:59,933
Speaker 3: blame Trump for it. I mean, presumably he's acting in

946
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:02,893
Speaker 3: America's best interest. We can argue about, you know, whether

947
00:57:02,893 --> 00:57:06,173
Speaker 3: his trade policy is in America's best interest, but that's

948
00:57:06,253 --> 00:57:08,253
Speaker 3: what he's doing and he's got a mandate to do it.

949
00:57:08,453 --> 00:57:11,053
Speaker 3: He's not here to represent New Zealand's best interests or

950
00:57:11,093 --> 00:57:13,653
Speaker 3: Australia's best interests. So there's just a thing.

951
00:57:14,173 --> 00:57:18,293
Speaker 2: All right. And finally, finally, and you've given me the

952
00:57:18,373 --> 00:57:23,013
Speaker 2: lead for this. Living standards down something like eight percent

953
00:57:23,933 --> 00:57:27,373
Speaker 2: over the first term of the Albanesi government. You mentioned

954
00:57:27,493 --> 00:57:34,973
Speaker 2: the defense spending. They got humiliated with the voice. Would

955
00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:39,773
Speaker 2: you agree that they're eddie free speech labor.

956
00:57:40,813 --> 00:57:43,573
Speaker 3: Well, they've shown those tendencies. So they try to pass

957
00:57:43,613 --> 00:57:46,493
Speaker 3: this misinformation bill, which is where you'd have basically a

958
00:57:46,493 --> 00:57:52,693
Speaker 3: government official would decide if you had misinformation on your

959
00:57:53,093 --> 00:57:56,853
Speaker 3: media website or on your podcast or whatever, and could

960
00:57:56,893 --> 00:57:57,773
Speaker 3: sanction you for that.

961
00:57:57,933 --> 00:57:59,733
Speaker 2: Now, that's very dangerous.

962
00:57:59,933 --> 00:58:03,373
Speaker 3: I think we'd all agree, because it's who decides what's

963
00:58:03,413 --> 00:58:07,173
Speaker 3: misinformation what's not, you know, so we can't That was

964
00:58:07,573 --> 00:58:10,213
Speaker 3: just genuine movie down the road to censorship. I think

965
00:58:10,253 --> 00:58:12,613
Speaker 3: like all on the left, you know they are, they

966
00:58:12,693 --> 00:58:16,093
Speaker 3: would do whatever they could to shut up their critics,

967
00:58:17,213 --> 00:58:21,333
Speaker 3: to silence them, and will do it. So I expect

968
00:58:21,373 --> 00:58:24,853
Speaker 3: them to move on free speech. Yeah, the restricts free speech,

969
00:58:24,973 --> 00:58:28,733
Speaker 3: just definitely, they will and go the voice again. Well,

970
00:58:28,973 --> 00:58:31,653
Speaker 3: because they can do elements of the voice without taking

971
00:58:31,653 --> 00:58:34,133
Speaker 3: it to a referendum. There will be a lot of

972
00:58:34,173 --> 00:58:36,813
Speaker 3: pressure on them to do that from inside the party,

973
00:58:36,813 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 3: from the left of the party, and I think they

974
00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:42,893
Speaker 3: will do something of that nature. They will, they'll legislate

975
00:58:43,013 --> 00:58:48,413
Speaker 3: something which will be, you know, in total contempt of

976
00:58:48,453 --> 00:58:51,573
Speaker 3: the sixty to forty vote that we had in twenty

977
00:58:51,693 --> 00:58:55,333
Speaker 3: twenty three. So yeah, of course they're going to come out.

978
00:58:55,493 --> 00:58:58,573
Speaker 3: But I do sense actually that albanezis learned its less

979
00:58:58,573 --> 00:59:01,733
Speaker 3: to some extent and realizes that he's got to avoid

980
00:59:02,533 --> 00:59:06,773
Speaker 3: doing that Woki stuff if he wants to hold the

981
00:59:06,773 --> 00:59:08,933
Speaker 3: middle ground, which he has to do, and he knows

982
00:59:08,933 --> 00:59:09,453
Speaker 3: he's got to.

983
00:59:09,413 --> 00:59:13,133
Speaker 2: Do that, right. Yeah, So I said, finally, finally, But

984
00:59:13,573 --> 00:59:16,293
Speaker 2: I'd forgotten something that I think is very important. You

985
00:59:16,373 --> 00:59:19,093
Speaker 2: are a student, have been a student of Robert Menzies.

986
00:59:19,933 --> 00:59:23,253
Speaker 2: You know him better than I do, even and I

987
00:59:23,333 --> 00:59:27,093
Speaker 2: adored him as a teenager. Robert Menzies was the founder

988
00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:30,093
Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party. Suggestions are now being made that

989
00:59:30,133 --> 00:59:35,053
Speaker 2: it's time to abandon the Liberal Party and start something new.

990
00:59:35,453 --> 00:59:38,613
Speaker 2: Another suggestion was, and I can't think who it was,

991
00:59:38,613 --> 00:59:43,053
Speaker 2: was that what the Liberals and especially whoever the leaders are,

992
00:59:43,613 --> 00:59:46,613
Speaker 2: need to get in and read his speeches. All of

993
00:59:46,653 --> 00:59:51,213
Speaker 2: which is good advice, of course. But if Robert Menzies

994
00:59:51,453 --> 00:59:56,493
Speaker 2: was here today and he was involved in this, how

995
00:59:56,493 --> 00:59:57,293
Speaker 2: would he handle it?

996
00:59:57,533 --> 01:00:02,733
Speaker 3: Well, he's instinct. What Rob Menzies did famously in nineteen

997
01:00:02,773 --> 01:00:06,853
Speaker 3: forties and nineteen forty four was to recognize that the

998
01:00:06,973 --> 01:00:10,493
Speaker 3: sender right was just into them, you know, twenty six

999
01:00:10,573 --> 01:00:13,613
Speaker 3: twenty seven different parties, and was not going to succeed

1000
01:00:13,733 --> 01:00:17,373
Speaker 3: unless it came together as one organized force. That's what

1001
01:00:17,453 --> 01:00:19,213
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party was put on earth to do, and

1002
01:00:19,253 --> 01:00:24,973
Speaker 3: it's been remarkably successful up to now. But so I

1003
01:00:25,013 --> 01:00:28,333
Speaker 3: think his instinct would be, Look, I'm worried that we're

1004
01:00:28,373 --> 01:00:30,573
Speaker 3: going that way again. You know, we've got the same

1005
01:00:30,773 --> 01:00:34,253
Speaker 3: sort of fracturing of the Liberal Party or the center

1006
01:00:34,333 --> 01:00:37,093
Speaker 3: right vote happening, and he'd want to bring them together,

1007
01:00:37,733 --> 01:00:39,173
Speaker 3: but he'd also he wouldn't want to do that at

1008
01:00:39,173 --> 01:00:41,613
Speaker 3: any cost. You know, it would have to be sure

1009
01:00:41,653 --> 01:00:45,853
Speaker 3: that whoever was that they shared common values, so it

1010
01:00:45,893 --> 01:00:47,653
Speaker 3: would be to define I think what he'd be looking

1011
01:00:47,653 --> 01:00:50,493
Speaker 3: to do is to define those common values. And it's simple

1012
01:00:50,573 --> 01:00:55,413
Speaker 3: things like we want individuals who generally we much prefer

1013
01:00:55,493 --> 01:00:58,613
Speaker 3: individuals to make decisions about their own lives, and the

1014
01:00:58,653 --> 01:01:01,733
Speaker 3: government we much prefer to give responsibility to individuals, and

1015
01:01:01,773 --> 01:01:04,653
Speaker 3: the government to give people opportunity, to make sure every

1016
01:01:04,733 --> 01:01:07,813
Speaker 3: he's got equal opportunity. I think one of the things

1017
01:01:07,853 --> 01:01:10,053
Speaker 3: he'd be concerned about his housing, you want, because he

1018
01:01:10,133 --> 01:01:13,413
Speaker 3: thought that central the Royal Mensis philsophy as everyody should

1019
01:01:14,093 --> 01:01:16,853
Speaker 3: be able to buy their own home. So that's obviously

1020
01:01:16,853 --> 01:01:19,853
Speaker 3: a problem now, so he yeah, I think he would

1021
01:01:19,893 --> 01:01:22,773
Speaker 3: those central principles and they're not hard you know, it's

1022
01:01:22,813 --> 01:01:26,133
Speaker 3: not it's not sort of hardline conservative, I think. But

1023
01:01:26,173 --> 01:01:27,973
Speaker 3: if he looked at the modern Liberal party, I think

1024
01:01:28,013 --> 01:01:31,813
Speaker 3: he would be he would be disappointed that it's lost

1025
01:01:32,333 --> 01:01:36,293
Speaker 3: half of its mission. So it's like center right parties

1026
01:01:36,293 --> 01:01:39,013
Speaker 3: around the world have become since that and Reagan, they've

1027
01:01:39,053 --> 01:01:41,613
Speaker 3: come to think they're only there to keep the economy

1028
01:01:42,213 --> 01:01:46,213
Speaker 3: in decent shape and and you know, clear up Labour's mess.

1029
01:01:46,733 --> 01:01:49,533
Speaker 3: But but because that's only there's only a means to

1030
01:01:49,573 --> 01:01:51,613
Speaker 3: an end, and the end is a better life for people.

1031
01:01:51,693 --> 01:01:54,013
Speaker 3: It's a richer life, it's a more fulfilling life, and

1032
01:01:54,053 --> 01:01:56,493
Speaker 3: it's having that sort of more rounded vision of how

1033
01:01:56,533 --> 01:02:00,133
Speaker 3: we improve the lives of people that the party struggles

1034
01:02:00,173 --> 01:02:02,133
Speaker 3: with that and I think that's where it has to

1035
01:02:02,733 --> 01:02:05,693
Speaker 3: look to give that vision because that counters, you know,

1036
01:02:05,733 --> 01:02:09,053
Speaker 3: all labour stuff that we're going to bring equality in fairness,

1037
01:02:09,133 --> 01:02:10,333
Speaker 3: because it never does.

1038
01:02:11,413 --> 01:02:16,013
Speaker 2: I had I bought a copy of his autobiography Afternoon Late,

1039
01:02:16,253 --> 01:02:20,013
Speaker 2: I might have said this to you on release and

1040
01:02:20,093 --> 01:02:21,853
Speaker 2: I just wish I had a copy of it today.

1041
01:02:22,653 --> 01:02:27,173
Speaker 2: Now this is this, This really is the end, so

1042
01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:31,733
Speaker 2: as an exit Reality bites by Nick Kava Substack.

1043
01:02:31,973 --> 01:02:36,173
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, this is a substack. I'm sure lots of

1044
01:02:36,173 --> 01:02:38,853
Speaker 3: people are familiar with that. It's a very good platform

1045
01:02:39,013 --> 01:02:43,813
Speaker 3: for independent writers like me to to have this say

1046
01:02:43,893 --> 01:02:49,213
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's desperately democratic in that in that

1047
01:02:49,253 --> 01:02:51,853
Speaker 3: anybody can go on there. You know, anybody can start

1048
01:02:51,893 --> 01:02:55,933
Speaker 3: writing on there, but people will go to people. You know,

1049
01:02:56,173 --> 01:02:58,933
Speaker 3: you can only build an audience of people actually like

1050
01:02:59,013 --> 01:03:02,293
Speaker 3: what you're right, and you can actually also you can

1051
01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:05,613
Speaker 3: ask people to subscribe, so people can be a financial

1052
01:03:05,653 --> 01:03:07,933
Speaker 3: subscriber as well, you know, which is always helpful.

1053
01:03:08,373 --> 01:03:09,733
Speaker 2: And that's that's.

1054
01:03:09,613 --> 01:03:12,813
Speaker 3: Very you know, it's a very good, sobering judgment for

1055
01:03:13,253 --> 01:03:15,413
Speaker 3: ride like me on how good my stuff really is.

1056
01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:18,053
Speaker 3: You know, the people really prepare to read it?

1057
01:03:18,173 --> 01:03:18,613
Speaker 2: Number one?

1058
01:03:18,653 --> 01:03:20,973
Speaker 3: And are they actually prepared to put the hands in

1059
01:03:21,013 --> 01:03:23,133
Speaker 3: the pocket and put in a bit of support for

1060
01:03:23,253 --> 01:03:27,693
Speaker 3: my work as an independent journalist. And surprisingly some people

1061
01:03:27,733 --> 01:03:29,933
Speaker 3: are and I'm very grateful to that. But it's where

1062
01:03:29,973 --> 01:03:32,173
Speaker 3: I can pull together all my work. But you had

1063
01:03:32,173 --> 01:03:34,173
Speaker 3: to come up with a title, and I thought reality

1064
01:03:34,213 --> 01:03:36,413
Speaker 3: Bites is it, you know, and that's it. I want

1065
01:03:36,453 --> 01:03:41,013
Speaker 3: to write about the point a bit where reality and.

1066
01:03:40,813 --> 01:03:43,893
Speaker 2: The dreams and utopian dreams.

1067
01:03:44,053 --> 01:03:47,093
Speaker 3: Come and come collide and when you have to face

1068
01:03:47,173 --> 01:03:50,733
Speaker 3: up to real world facts because that that, I think

1069
01:03:50,773 --> 01:03:52,933
Speaker 3: is where we're at on the debate on the economy

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Speaker 3: and well so many of the issues we've discussed today.

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Speaker 2: You indicated to me privately that you wanted to spend

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Speaker 2: a bit more time in your zealment.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well it's I'd love the country. I love the

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Speaker 3: people and the scenery and and get to know the

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Speaker 3: politics or to know where you're up to. Really, I

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Speaker 3: was there or I don't know, just over a year ago.

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Speaker 3: But the christ the government was new then and there

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Speaker 3: was lots of hope for it, and I gather things

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Speaker 3: aren't going quite so well. So yeah, yeah, it's the differences.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's very similar course to Australia in some broad senses,

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Speaker 3: but quite different in many others. And I love just

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Speaker 3: finding locating those differences and asking.

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Speaker 2: Why it's only three hours away.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, indeed, I don't know. This sort of stage

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Speaker 3: in the year, as we go from autumn to winter

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Speaker 3: is really my favorite time. I'm not a skier, but

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Speaker 3: maybe when the weather picks up.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, again, you've been You've been very generous.

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it. Reality bites by in the CATA.

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Speaker 2: It's very easy to find, and I suggest to you, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm telling you it's worth reading. How many

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Speaker 2: are you putting out? A couple of week A couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks, that's what I try and do.

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Speaker 3: It's not altogether, some of them that can't be quite

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Speaker 3: as regular as I'd like to be, but a couple

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Speaker 3: of week at least is generally what I put out.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, please go on, you can subscribe for free,

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Speaker 3: or you can you can subscribe as a special page

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Speaker 3: subscriber and get extra content.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful Nick, thank you once again, Thank you always good

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Speaker 2: to talk to you lately. This is a producer podcast

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Speaker 2: number two hundred and eighty three. And here we are

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Speaker 2: in the mail room, and I'm going to invite you

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Speaker 2: to go first, and then I've got an announcement tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: All right, late, And this is from Howard not once

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Speaker 4: but twice in podcast to eight too, you quoted a

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Speaker 4: chorus and who proclaimed that Winston Peters had been the

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Speaker 4: man for common sense for all his political life. I

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Speaker 4: do not understand why mister Peters is constantly given a

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Speaker 4: free pass for the complete and utter lack of common

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Speaker 4: sense he displayed in twenty seventeen when he appointed jasindera

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Speaker 4: durn Prime Minister and in doing so led this great

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Speaker 4: country down the gurglar. His action was, in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: completely selfish behavior, with only one thing in mind, the

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Speaker 4: rise of his own star to the detriment of New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Conservative and right wing commentators at the time were highly

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Speaker 4: critical of Peter's but now salute him and laud his

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Speaker 4: conservative principles and common sense I may be accused of

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Speaker 4: bearing a grudge and I have been told to let

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Speaker 4: it go.

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Speaker 2: That will never happen. I do understand that sentiment, and listen,

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Speaker 2: I understand it also, and I felt that way for

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Speaker 2: quite a long time. But things change, time passes, and

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Speaker 2: some people wrecked fire their pasts. You can say he

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Speaker 2: hasn't that he could never do it. I say, live

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Speaker 2: for the present. In the future, you have to hope

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Speaker 2: you do now from Paul, And this is very coincidental,

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Speaker 2: is as Layton just now listening to your conversation with

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Speaker 2: Nick Cata. In describing the teal elites that live on

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Speaker 2: the shores of Sydney Harbor, one can make a comparison

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Speaker 2: to the governing elites on the shores of Auckland Harbor,

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Speaker 2: Simon Wat's being a classic example. Most of them are idiots. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't entirely disagree with what you say, especially the

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Speaker 2: most bit. But how did he hear that? And I'm

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Speaker 2: now reading his email because this has only just been recorded.

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Speaker 2: The answer is, of course that this was done after

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Speaker 2: the previous discussion I had with Nick Cata on April sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: and I hadn't picked it up, and here it is

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Speaker 2: today now. My phone went buzz just a few moments ago,

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Speaker 2: just before we started the bailroom, and I mean literally

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Speaker 2: seconds before we started the mailroom, and the headline was

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Speaker 2: Liberal Wilson reclaims Goldstein. Tim Wilson is set to reclaim

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Speaker 2: Goldstein from Teal incumbent Zoe Daniel. This was from the

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Speaker 2: Australians rolling coverage of news from Canberra and around the country.

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Speaker 4: Leyden Steve says it was humbling to hear read out

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Speaker 4: so much of my RC twelve submission at the end

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Speaker 4: of two eighty two. I'm very grateful and I can

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Speaker 4: but hope that it may help open some eyes that

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Speaker 4: hitherto have been forced shut by the all pervading official narrative.

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Speaker 4: As you suggested at the end, in an ideal world,

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Speaker 4: all young people should have access to such a font

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Speaker 4: of wisdom as Ramesh. I hope the Australians appreciate how

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Speaker 4: fortunate they are to have him. He mentioned how the

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Speaker 4: establishment left is now in serious defense mode and its

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Speaker 4: efforts to counter the populist right surge across most of

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Speaker 4: the West. That's no surprise when I think of the

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Speaker 4: words of Melanie Phillips some ten to fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 4: when she explained that the Left had an unshakable faith

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Speaker 4: in its intellectual, moral, and ethical superiority. The left regards

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Speaker 4: it as an absolute responsibility to defeat any opposing views

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Speaker 4: on the basis that those views are not just wrong,

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Speaker 4: that evil. And Steve says, of course, it's the perfect

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Speaker 4: diversionary tactic. Of course, accuse your opposition of doing what

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Speaker 4: you're actually doing and late.

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Speaker 2: It's from Steve. Steve, appreciate it. Thank you. This is

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Speaker 2: from Alan ellen Trotter, who was one of the three

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Speaker 2: authors of the two books that were published that we

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Speaker 2: did a couple of interviews on and I mentioned them

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Speaker 2: on numerous occasions on climate change. Climate Actually, Eddie writes,

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Speaker 2: and this comes to you from Johannesburg, where we currently

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Speaker 2: recover from concluding a road trip with Australian friends for

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Speaker 2: the past five weeks, including a week in Kruger National

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Speaker 2: Park and citing the Big Five of game animals almost daily,

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Speaker 2: following a seventeen night cruise on Cund's Queen Anne from

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Speaker 2: Singapore to Cape Town. I like knowing what people doing.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a fantastic trip, doesn't that During that

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Speaker 2: time we have listened to a couple of times to

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio to keep abreast of New Zealand news and happenings.

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Speaker 2: It seems that the Paris Accord is destined for the

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Speaker 2: scrap heap, thank the Lord in the foreseeable future, especially

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Speaker 2: with China in the Russia and the USA approximately sixty

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Speaker 2: percent of global emissions being responsible for that not being

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Speaker 2: party there too. New Zealand could well be brave enough

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Speaker 2: to act sensibly and join that scrap heap of forlorn

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01:11:03,533 --> 01:11:09,093
Speaker 2: commitment and terminate its ridiculous commitment to that nonsense. Let's

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Speaker 2: hope so as that alone would provide much of the capital.

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Speaker 2: This is the important part. Much of the capital required

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Speaker 2: for infrastructure expenditure needed to be applied to so urgently

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Speaker 2: and thereby reduce substantially the borrowings that need to be

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Speaker 2: made because of gross errors made by labor during the

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Speaker 2: COVID period. Paris exit right now, What a great start

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Speaker 2: for our capital shortfall, that is, by exiting the Paris

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Speaker 2: Accord quick smart anyway, ell, I'm glad you're having a

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Speaker 2: great holiday, and I take.

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Speaker 4: Your point, Leighton Lorna says. She says her subject is

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Speaker 4: net zero is actually and her start of her email says,

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Speaker 4: it's actually not zero. Why why doesn't our useless government

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Speaker 4: pull out of the Paris Agreement?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 4: She says, no one has any guts or brain anymore.

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Speaker 2: And that's pretty much. That's pretty much the way that

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Speaker 2: it is. From Vincent, Hey, Australia, what have you done?

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Speaker 2: I'm plumoxed. Don't need to say much more than that now.

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Speaker 2: From jin A Ramesh, the Kur is a genius. He

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Speaker 2: gave a perfect summary regarding the state of some Western

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Speaker 2: countries today, saying you've got the soft states in the

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Speaker 2: West which are engaged in an orgy of national self

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Speaker 2: abasement at all the evils of the world that are

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Speaker 2: laid at our own doors at Australia's Labor Party proved

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Speaker 2: his point by pushing the Voice and Welcome to Country

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Speaker 2: campaigns of national victimhooden penance. Yet they voted Elbow and

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Speaker 2: his lot back into power. Sky News Australia reports that

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Speaker 2: the Labor Green's control of the Senate sets up the

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Speaker 2: most progressive parliament ever. I don't get why Australians refused

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Speaker 2: to learn from us Kiwi's We had six years of

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Speaker 2: Labour Green's government from Hell under Jacinda Adern, I've got

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Speaker 2: a hand it to the progressives. They always clearly stood

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Speaker 2: for communist ideology, even the Pope. As I reflected what

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Speaker 2: Pope Francis stood for after his death, all I could

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Speaker 2: think of was his anti Trump, anti capitalism, pro LGBT,

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Speaker 2: and pro climate change stances. For all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 2: Pope Francis lived more like a modern day politician than

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Speaker 2: the head of the Roman Catholic Church. He was more

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Speaker 2: comfortable being in Davos than being in God's House. In fact,

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen remarked that he was obviously the Pope. Thankfully,

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Speaker 2: Ramesh the Khur reminds us that there are others in

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Speaker 2: the West who still want to preserve their national identity,

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01:13:51,493 --> 01:13:54,453
Speaker 2: take pride in their history and their contributions to human

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Speaker 2: welfare and progress, through their enlightenment, through their industrial revolution

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Speaker 2: led by fossil fuels, which have raised living standards around

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Speaker 2: the world, which have made education and better health possible,

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Speaker 2: which have made life better for all of us. The

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Speaker 2: conservative West needs to unashamedly and clearly stand for the

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Speaker 2: preservation of faith, family, community, and country, without which we

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Speaker 2: would not have the first world countries we live in today.

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Speaker 2: It's very very well stated. Jin Thank you, missus, producer,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you later and see you next week

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01:14:28,213 --> 01:14:29,973
Speaker 2: now if you'd like to write to us, of course,

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Speaker 2: latent at Newstalks AB dot co dot nz or Carolyn

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Speaker 2: Caroline with the Wide News Talks AB dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 2: Do we love getting their male.

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Speaker 4: We love getting your mail guys exactly.

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Speaker 2: Now, let me go back to the comment I made

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Speaker 2: to Nick when we were talking about how girls and

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01:14:58,413 --> 01:15:02,653
Speaker 2: blokes are different. If you like an attitude to what's important,

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Speaker 2: especially when you're younger, and I may mention of education

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01:15:08,973 --> 01:15:12,453
Speaker 2: and media, and I have a very good example of it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have it until after the interview was done,

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Speaker 2: when I just came across it. But I'm saving it

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Speaker 2: because it's it's worthy of more attention that I have

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01:15:21,653 --> 01:15:24,413
Speaker 2: time to give it now. But there is there is

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Speaker 2: a little trial I want to follow. Bear with me.

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01:15:27,933 --> 01:15:30,413
Speaker 2: Why did we need a This is where I want

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Speaker 2: to start. Why did we need a court of Lord

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Speaker 2: to tell us what a woman is? It's written by

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Speaker 2: Brendan O'Neil from the UK and it was published in

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Speaker 2: an Australian news in the Australian newspaper. Actually, why did

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Speaker 2: we need a court of lord to tell us what

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Speaker 2: a woman is? There was a time when every babbling

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Speaker 2: toddler knew there were men and women and that they

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Speaker 2: were different. Even our Neanderthal forebears understood sex difference. They

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Speaker 2: didn't know much, but they knew half the tribe was

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Speaker 2: made up of grunting blokes who were good with spears,

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Speaker 2: and the other half of females who might get pregnant.

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Speaker 2: It skewed by putting it, and yet in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five were apparently need five judges to explain what a

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Speaker 2: woman is. Ours is an age of dazzling tech that

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Speaker 2: you can ask an app on your phone to explain

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Speaker 2: the War of the Roses and traverse entire continents in

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Speaker 2: mere ours. And yet when it comes to that simplest

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Speaker 2: of queries, what is a woman? People erm and r

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Speaker 2: and say I don't know. Shall we defer to the courts?

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Speaker 2: That's been my overriding emotion following the UK Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: ruling this week that essentially it was on mid April

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Speaker 2: actually essentially says trans women are not women. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: that ruling has been made, but I'm be amused and

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Speaker 2: kind of scared that we needed it and that's all

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Speaker 2: we need from it, because it's my lead into some

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Speaker 2: other things. It's the same sort of thinking, if not

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Speaker 2: the same sort of a group of people who will

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Speaker 2: argue with you that women can be men and men

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Speaker 2: can be women and get pregnant, etc. And who, on

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Speaker 2: the other hand, will push the climate change bs and

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Speaker 2: try and enforce it on all of us. So with

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Speaker 2: that in mind, the Spanish power outage provides a very

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Speaker 2: good example. Daniel Le carl who is who is an

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Speaker 2: economist I think from memory, and who writes extremely well.

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Speaker 2: It is. On April twenty third, I participated in a

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Speaker 2: conference at the European Parliament on the future of nuclear

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Speaker 2: energy with experts from all over Europe, where I warned

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Speaker 2: that with the current energy policies, blackouts will be the norm,

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Speaker 2: not a coincidence. The shortsighted and sectarian policy of the

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Speaker 2: activists who populate the government has led us to the

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Speaker 2: worst blackout in history of Spain. We have been without

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Speaker 2: communication or electricity for nearly eleven hours. This blackout, with

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Speaker 2: the immediate collapse of fifteen gigawatts of power in the system,

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Speaker 2: is the consequence of a policy that penalizes base energy,

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Speaker 2: key to providing key to providing stability to the system,

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Speaker 2: and plunders the energy sector. Governments have been dedicated to

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Speaker 2: closing nuclear power plants, making them unviable with the abusive

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Speaker 2: and confiscatory taxation, penalizing investment in distribution with absurd regulations,

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Speaker 2: imposing a volatile and intermittent energy mix, and burning energy

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Speaker 2: with elevated taxes and administrative delays. Of what could go wrong?

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Speaker 2: He asks everything, and it happened. Renewable energies, while essential

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Speaker 2: in a balanced energy mix, cannot provide cannot provide safety

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Speaker 2: and stability due to their volatility and intermittent nature. That's

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Speaker 2: why it is essential to have a balance system with

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Speaker 2: baseload energy that operates all the time, such as hydropower,

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Speaker 2: nuclear and natural gas back up. Destroying access to nuclear

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Speaker 2: energy with unnecessary closures and confiscatory taxation has been part

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Speaker 2: of the fundamental causes of the disaster and the blackout.

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Speaker 2: Then to the mesas wire Juaqim book The Spanish Blackout

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Speaker 2: shows why the green dream is unsustainable. There are a

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Speaker 2: lot of articles like this, I've just chosen the best

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Speaker 2: couple I've come across. When the Spanish electricity grid collapsed

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Speaker 2: one ordinary Monday in late April, the dreams of renewable

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Speaker 2: energy and the green transition team died with it. On

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Speaker 2: these pages, Ryan McCann was quick to point out that

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Speaker 2: under European Green Deal type political convictions, affordability and reliability

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Speaker 2: are wait. Affordability and reliability are not important virtue of

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Speaker 2: the European electricity grid. Shoving too much odious excrement onto

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Speaker 2: a single electricity grid is bound to break. While the

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Speaker 2: story is still unfolding, and the Spanish officials have denied

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Speaker 2: that renewables were the cause of the loss in frequency

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Speaker 2: that shut down all our electricity for some sixty million

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Speaker 2: people in Spain and Portugal, several commentators and the experts

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01:20:34,613 --> 01:20:39,253
Speaker 2: have now publicly come out and confess that the overwhelming

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Speaker 2: reliance on SOLA at the time of the blackout was

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Speaker 2: to blame. The literal gas lighting by the increasingly irrelevant

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Speaker 2: mainstream corporate media was mostly sad. Amusingly, the author of

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Speaker 2: the propaganda piece in Reuters tried to diffuse blame away

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Speaker 2: from the green deities by saying that it wasn't the

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Speaker 2: renewable energy's fault, but the renewables in the modern grid.

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Speaker 2: Then he writes, spelling it the way it sounds. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's back up. Have you heard anything about ESG, environmental,

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Speaker 2: social and governance recently? Me neither. There was a remarkable

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Speaker 2: turnaround in the corporate use of ESG in just a

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Speaker 2: few short years, from being all encompassing, uttered by every

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Speaker 2: CEO and shoved down the throats of every employee by

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01:21:32,813 --> 01:21:36,573
Speaker 2: every HR department, the curse of the Earth at every

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01:21:36,613 --> 01:21:43,413
Speaker 2: sufficiently large enough company, it's all just vanished almost overnight.

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Speaker 2: Nobody cared anymore. One recent survey suggested that only seven

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Speaker 2: percent of those who were hired a couple of years

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01:21:51,373 --> 01:21:54,853
Speaker 2: ago to work on corporate ESG are still employed to

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Speaker 2: do that today. At it all happened quietly. Matt Levine

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Speaker 2: of Bloomberg Money Stuff Fame has repeatedly hypothesized that ESG,

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01:22:05,333 --> 01:22:09,253
Speaker 2: like so much else, was a low interest straight phenomenon.

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01:22:09,653 --> 01:22:12,933
Speaker 2: Once rates and inflation started biting, people were quick to

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01:22:12,973 --> 01:22:18,173
Speaker 2: abandon virtue signaling environments, social justice efforts. Here's a prediction,

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01:22:19,013 --> 01:22:22,773
Speaker 2: in light of the Spanish disaster, the green wave or

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Speaker 2: the ominous energy transition that shoves solar panels on every

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01:22:27,373 --> 01:22:31,693
Speaker 2: roof and blankets. The landscape with wind turbines will suffer

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Speaker 2: a similar fate. Now that's only a little way into it.

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Speaker 2: Mesis Institute is where you'll find it. But that now

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Speaker 2: leads to the ultimate. This is a trail we're following it.

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Speaker 2: After referring to the Beatles song he Comes the Sun,

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01:22:53,653 --> 01:22:57,933
Speaker 2: Thaddeus Marcatta writes, standing with both hands extended for a

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Speaker 2: fifty million pounds squeeze of the public teat United Kingdom.

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Speaker 2: Scientists claim the sun you celebrate in song contributes to

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Speaker 2: runaway climate change, and these white robed high priests of

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Speaker 2: Perfidious Albion's climate cult have a novel idea to control

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Speaker 2: the weather and forestall the impending apocalypse dimming the sun. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: for these climate cult dimwits, sunshine on their shoulders makes

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01:23:26,453 --> 01:23:31,973
Speaker 2: them anything but happy. Per Simon Kent's article in Writbart News,

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Speaker 2: this is not the only hair brain scheme. These liberal

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Speaker 2: dimwits at ARIA promise for someone else's money. ARIA the

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Speaker 2: Advanced Research and Invention Agency. According to the Daily Telegraph,

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Speaker 2: a host of possible options for climate control are being

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Speaker 2: considered by scientists with government approval. Alongside fifty million pounds

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Speaker 2: in taxpayer funds. Scientists are considering outdoor field trials, which

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Speaker 2: could include injecting aerosols into the atmosphere or brightening clouds

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01:24:03,533 --> 01:24:08,173
Speaker 2: to reflect sunshine as a way to prevent runaway climate change.

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01:24:08,453 --> 01:24:13,253
Speaker 2: Clearly the old school itinerant cloud seeders preying upon the

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01:24:13,293 --> 01:24:17,293
Speaker 2: angst of drought riddled farmers and their small towns have

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Speaker 2: nothing on Aria at its siren song of salvation, for

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01:24:21,893 --> 01:24:25,373
Speaker 2: they have the entire UK government on board to foot

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01:24:25,413 --> 01:24:28,453
Speaker 2: the bill for what should be should have been named

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Speaker 2: Operation Data Less. I'm not sure I pronounced that correctly,

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Speaker 2: but I know who he is, father at Icarus, and

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Speaker 2: that is basically where I'm going to. If you're interested,

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Speaker 2: you will go to Am Greatness and find it under

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01:24:47,053 --> 01:24:50,093
Speaker 2: the name of Stadius Marcotta, and at that point we'll

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Speaker 2: say that throws us out of the studio. For podcasts

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Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty three, it's been very enjoyable. And

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Speaker 2: if you do go and look up some of those articles,

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Speaker 2: let me know your thoughts. I think it's fairly obvious

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Speaker 2: what they will be. Why is it? Do you think?

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Speaker 2: This is a question I leave you with, Why is it?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that people like mister Watts, people like

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, stick their fingers in their ears and

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Speaker 2: will not listen to a bar of any alternative. But

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Speaker 2: they're corrupted pathway, so latent at Newstalks ATB dot co

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Speaker 2: dot Nz, Caroline at Newstalks ATB dot co dot Nz.

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Speaker 2: We shall be backwards two eighty four very shortly, So

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Speaker 2: thank you for listening and we'll talk soon.

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