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Speaker 1: With the John and Ben Podcast. Cheers to Dilma making

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Speaker 1: the world a bitter tea. Yeah, really good to be here.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's Disney on ice. The other day it's Pettigar

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Speaker 2: on ice anything like that.

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Speaker 1: There isn't any I'm not in a Leo tad.

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Speaker 2: I'm not skating, okay, yeah, because that was a prison show.

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Speaker 1: There. It's greens high drama, Mickey and Minnie breakup.

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Speaker 2: It seems like it all serious. It is really really

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Speaker 2: interesting documentary that you're doing. You've got antuctive for three weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, so three weeks. I was down there

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Speaker 3: at the end of last year.

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Speaker 1: What is it like there? Is it surreal? It is

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Speaker 1: just so mind blowing. I remember I got out and I.

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Speaker 3: Was just like, you know, if and how you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because you visualize it for ages and then you get

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Speaker 3: out and it's just this massive white expense even and

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Speaker 3: then there's this blue skies. Yeah, you know, so weird, guys,

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Speaker 3: twenty four hour a day sunlight. So now the sun

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Speaker 3: just did not go down. Cicadian rhythm, Yeah, your Cicadian rhythm.

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Speaker 3: The cicadas were left well behind. I don't even I

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Speaker 3: didn't see cicada the whole time. There's no cicadas down

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Speaker 3: and down in.

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Speaker 2: Speaking wildlife, I was reading something last night. You were like,

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Speaker 2: you thought you'd see polar bears, but obviously they don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I left that pretty quick there in the

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Speaker 3: there in the North Pole. So I was sitting around

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Speaker 3: with all these scientists and sitting there on the first.

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Speaker 1: Night, and I don't tell me you said it in

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Speaker 1: front of them. No.

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Speaker 3: I was just about to say it, where are the

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Speaker 3: polar bear is? And then the scientist goes, It's amazing

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Speaker 3: how many dumbasses come down here thinking they're going to

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Speaker 3: see a polar bear? And I was like, oh, say,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I had to learn a lot about Antarctica.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it was negative thirty five degrees and

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Speaker 3: and so we actually went camping and on a beach,

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Speaker 3: but the difference being, you know, we were right on

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Speaker 3: the beach, the difference being that the sea was actually

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Speaker 3: ice meter and a half thack, so you know, there's

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Speaker 3: no waves of water, wasn't going to lap up or anything.

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Speaker 3: We're just sort of camping there. Here I am in

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Speaker 3: this tent and negative thirty five degrees.

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Speaker 2: Did you say the.

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Speaker 3: Night there or stayed three nights there really, and you

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Speaker 3: know you're in five sleeping bags. You know, there's an

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Speaker 3: outer layer, another layer, another layer, another layer, and another layer.

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Speaker 3: Then you've got to get the clothes that you've got

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Speaker 3: leave them out over night, they'll freeze, so you got

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Speaker 3: to keep them warm. So then you sort of fill

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Speaker 3: up your seat bag with all this warm kind of gear.

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Speaker 3: And then of course the first thing that happens when

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Speaker 3: you're sitting there is like, oh, I've got to go

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Speaker 3: for my big time Wii.

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Speaker 1: Yourself.

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Speaker 2: You get to a bottle situation.

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Speaker 1: Too, and so you just get your bottle.

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Speaker 3: You know, you've actually got to take your wiez back

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Speaker 3: to the base at the end of it, because you're

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Speaker 3: not it's a waste free environment. They don't want yellow

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Speaker 3: snow or yellow ice. Yeah, so you've got to.

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Speaker 1: Taking quite a few.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry for your listeners, for explaining all of the

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Speaker 2: Fascinate because I mean, you know, like most of us

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Speaker 2: will never get to go anywhere, so like, well, if.

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Speaker 1: You do go take a pea bottle and all the

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Speaker 1: polar bee is aren't they?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everywhere is it just is it overwhelming in a

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Speaker 2: hardly anyone lives there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. There's only a round about one

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Speaker 3: hundred people on the scott base. And then you don't

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Speaker 3: see people for ages when you're out on the ice

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Speaker 3: and of course you know it's white. It's just so white,

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Speaker 3: and it's just so massive, and you're just sort of

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Speaker 3: and the sea was frozen and the top of an

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Speaker 3: frozen around and locked an iceberg. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: penguin's actually stink. I went to a Pengland colony that's

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Speaker 3: It was one of the things.

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Speaker 1: Mass is quite smelly. Yeah, Pengland colony is not a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, there was lots of cool stuff,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it was really overwhelming, just the whiteness and

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Speaker 3: the power of it all. And the reason I was

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize it, guys, but Antarctica feeds into all

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Speaker 3: of the world's major oceans. It keeps the whole world care.

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Speaker 3: It's like a thermostat for the world. And with it

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Speaker 3: melting and changing and basically humans missing it up, it

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Speaker 3: could all go and lead to four meters of sea

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Speaker 1: Is it too far gone?

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Speaker 3: No, that's a really good question, John, And you know

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Speaker 3: the signists think, hey, maybe this is now we can't

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Speaker 1: We've kicked it off and we.

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Speaker 3: Can't actually put the genie back in the bottle, and

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Speaker 3: we may have to do sort of thing. The kind

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Speaker 3: of things they were talking about seemed really far out,

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Speaker 3: but they make a little of sense, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: many parts of New Zealand might have to change that

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Speaker 3: if Antactica does go. So that was you know, beneath

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Speaker 3: all of the sort of beauty, there's this incredible sort

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Speaker 2: The whole thing looks about climate change, you know, and

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Speaker 2: you're a very positive person, you know, how do you

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Speaker 2: But do you are there some things that could give

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's it's it's funny they

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Speaker 3: the sea, you know, algae, and they're looking at it

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Speaker 3: like warmer oceans. And I guess that's the hope, is

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Speaker 3: I guess is what gave me hope amongst what was,

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Speaker 1: Three weeks is a long time. Yeah, that's maybe a

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I'm pretty cen to get out

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Speaker 3: was a long time to be there. But everything took

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Speaker 3: and then of course you get brain freeze and you

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Speaker 1: Everything was just slow. Yeah, everything was super slow.

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Speaker 3: so it was you know, it was all those sorts

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Speaker 3: make anything. But yeah, three weeks was a bloody long time.

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Speaker 2: Pet on Ice Scott Base, Like what is that like?

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Speaker 3: Like like a school kid, it's like a whole lot

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: bunk mates there wanting to talk about using a covid

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Speaker 1: You know, this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: You know you're sort of surrounded by people all the time,

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Speaker 3: but you know you are. It was very inspiring because

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Speaker 1: This might be a super question, but how does the

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Speaker 1: plane land if it's all icy and.

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Speaker 3: They've got an ice runway there. They've got anice runway there,

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Speaker 3: and it's a big American plane, againtic American plane because

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Speaker 3: the American bases there. So yeah, there's an ice run

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Speaker 3: where they've done something with it. It's a good, good question.

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Speaker 1: All I know is we landed and we took off.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I was like good.

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Speaker 2: From well anyway, there's probably like it's a probably good.

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Speaker 3: It was not as bad as it was not as

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Speaker 3: bad as the landing as the landing on ice.

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Speaker 2: It seems so fascinating and we're really fascinating documentary. Catch

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Speaker 2: it on three and of course three now as well.

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Speaker 1: Love to see your pet. Yeah, awesome guys, Thank you,