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Speaker 1: The issue, the interviews, US listens and the Insight. Andrew

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Speaker 1: furniture beds and apply at store, US.

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Speaker 2: Talks it'd be welcome boy to you. Are we a

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Speaker 2: week away from Christmas Day? As it next Wednesday? We're

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Speaker 2: a week away from Christmas Day, but we're still working

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Speaker 2: in this hour. Early childhood education has been reviewed and

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Speaker 2: The government makes it easier to hire migrants. Will this

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Speaker 2: revive the hospitality sector or will we have a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of low value, crappy little migrants coming in? More

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Speaker 2: on that in ten minutes. The incoming Archbishop of Canterbury

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Speaker 2: are not fit for purpose. So Gavid Gray from the

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Speaker 2: UK after five point thirty and you have to do

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Speaker 2: it for the sake of balance, we let Labors Finance

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Speaker 2: spokesperson loose to have a crack on the numbers revealed yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We've got this in correspondence from right around New Zealand

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Speaker 2: a small charge to say whatever you want about the

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Speaker 2: program and the issues covered. The number is ninety two

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Speaker 1: The agenda.

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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, the eighteenth of December. So a Russian general

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Speaker 1: This is a signal that Ukrainian, the Ukraine leadership, the Ukrainian.

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Speaker 2: Secret services are sending two top Russians.

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Speaker 1: No one is saved. Those who do something against Ukraine

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Speaker 3: And of course this is a powerful message.

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Speaker 2: So the bloke who got blown up was yesterday charge

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Speaker 2: Search efforts are continuing in Vanua to following the seven

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Speaker 2: point three magnitude earthquake that struck yesterday afternoon. That's a

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Speaker 2: big quake. The Red Cross Sea's government officials are reporting

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Speaker 2: fourteen confirmed fatalities. Australia's Foreign Minister says immediate assistance will

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Speaker 2: They're registered as being in Vanowa two. According to m

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Speaker 2: fat Now Donald Trump, mister Trump issuing Iowa polster and

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Speaker 2: election that had Kamala Harris ahead of him. Just a

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Speaker 2: week out, the pole had Harris up by three percent

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Speaker 2: and Seltzer spoke about the pole just days ago.

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Speaker 4: If you're a whole that I had landed on exactly

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Speaker 4: why things went wrong, I have not. We've explored everything

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Speaker 4: that the Wine Register, in an unprecedented move for transparency,

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Speaker 4: has put online. Our cross tabs are waiting system and

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Speaker 2: Which was really wrong, really really really wrong. And finally,

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Speaker 2: Israeli's Defense minister says a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip

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Speaker 2: with Hamas is as close as it's ever been Benjamin Yette.

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Speaker 2: US citizens and Palestinian prisoners to be released as all

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Speaker 2: part of the deal. It is ten out for five.

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Speaker 2: It'd be so. The numbers were out yesterday and the

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Speaker 2: numbers are not good. A Morribon's economy means less revenue

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willis last night on the Drive Show, and Nicola

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Speaker 2: Willis said, well, yeah, sure, she could cut spending more,

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Speaker 2: austerity and reserve bank measures we've already been through have

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Speaker 2: Look, don't get me wrong, I totally support tax cuts,

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Speaker 2: but the artistry of tax cuts is always in the timing.

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Speaker 2: the numbers are the numbers, and this is where we are.

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Speaker 2: This government does not have enough money to afford the services.

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Speaker 2: Have already spent a year reducing that's not a good look.

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Speaker 2: Talk backstory of the day. Despite this scrinchy government, the

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Speaker 2: minimum wage will go up again. Yesterday Minister Brook van

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Speaker 2: Here on news Sort Zibbie News and.

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Speaker 1: Views you trust has done. Your Day is early edition

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Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture Bids

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Speaker 1: and a flying store You've talked Zibby.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is now sixteen minutes after five. The long

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Speaker 2: has now been released. This is just the regulatory review. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's about all the reg relations that cover the sector.

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Speaker 2: It found the Ministry for Education does not have a

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Speaker 2: Kathy Wolf though is this is Kathy Wolf is the

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Speaker 2: Early Childhood New Zealand Chief Executive and joints. We now

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Speaker 2: thank you for waking up early.

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Speaker 6: Kathy Morten Andrew, no problem.

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Speaker 2: You've welcomed the review. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 6: Well, we really please that the Ministry of Regulation you

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Speaker 6: They did a great job in terms of engaging with

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Speaker 6: how the recommendations in the land because at the end

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Speaker 6: and making sure that the quality remains.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Well, there's fifteen recommendations. It's regulatory changes and

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Speaker 6: Well, there is a danger of that. So for us,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now the report does say it will enable

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Speaker 6: Market, providers on neededge. There's definitely areas and regions around

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Speaker 6: and that needs to be rectified. But unfortunately that was

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Speaker 2: Tweaks to it all right, So you'll be watching closer

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Speaker 2: much for your time. Here's the thing, the multi agency

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Speaker 2: confusion that we have in our system right now was highlighted.

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Speaker 2: Here's an example the height of door handles with incentive

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Speaker 2: listen to. Isn't that crazy? Five nineteen Andrew Dickens on

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Speaker 2: that Wilson Parking and Fort Street Auckland is the most

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. The fact that so many Orcants are

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, still to come. I've got birthday news. Yes there's

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Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth

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Speaker 2: It'd be ain't let that can make this? Can I

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Speaker 5: You've help me myself?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to your Wednesday. I'm Andrew Dickens, and we are

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Speaker 2: one week away from Yeah, the big guy coming down

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Speaker 2: here's the news. Here's the baby news that you wanted

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Speaker 2: to know. There is a new baby Rhinoceris at the

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Speaker 2: It's twenty one to six to Deneed and we go.

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Speaker 2: Jbie Cunningham, Hello.

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Speaker 2: A group who blocked a coltrane has been in the court.

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Speaker 5: What happened, Well, yeah, there's relief from some DNED and

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Jammie, how's the weather for the Riviera of

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Speaker 5: Well, it's fine today with a bit of morning cloud

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, Andrew. These are the reviews that came

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Speaker 2: Very good stuff and how's your weather?

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Speaker 9: Mostly find today aside from some areas of cloud this

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Speaker 2: Max Chell from Wellington, good morning to you, sir.

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Speaker 2: So the Mayor's got a business advisory group which is

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Speaker 8: Well essentially, yes, the biggest I would say, the biggest

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Speaker 8: criticism of the mayor and her council's tenure has been

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Speaker 8: that it doesn't listen, particularly when it comes to business

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Speaker 8: owners who are losing their livelihoods and all their hearing

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Speaker 8: is stick it out, You'll be okay, But when the

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Speaker 8: end isn't insight to the road works, and there's no

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Speaker 8: tangible supports. Anger and frustration grows in response to this.

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Speaker 8: In May, Yes, the mayor Torrifinos set up an advisory

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Speaker 8: group with a few high profile business he names attached

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Speaker 8: some very legit like Willis Bonds, Mark McGinnis and some

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Speaker 8: other young fresh faces. And what you've got now is

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Speaker 8: two people quitting, a saying the group is what many suspected,

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Speaker 8: a futile effort to provide arbitrary lip service to have

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Speaker 8: a very real problem. McGinnis is among the two. He's quit,

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Speaker 8: so has Courtney placed Barron and Justin McKenzie at the

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Speaker 8: latter telling us that the survival of businesses is more

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Speaker 8: important to him than sitting around a table having a

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Speaker 8: cup of tea in a cheeseboard. Mackenzie, this is the

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Speaker 8: brother of Flight of the Concord's Bread, says the council

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Speaker 8: isn't listening.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, now how's your real her party?

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Speaker 8: Cloudy sixteen the High Central, and.

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Speaker 2: We welcome Wendy Pittri into the studio from Auckland. Just

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Speaker 2: hello to talk about a story I just talked about.

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Speaker 7: I know, well you it sounds like you broke the story.

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Speaker 2: Well, I came in and I asked them, I said,

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Speaker 2: how do you pronounce this white rhino's name? Is it

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Speaker 2: Jamila or Jemela? I mean, you know? And they went,

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Speaker 2: what white rhino? I said, the one that's just given

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Speaker 2: birth at Awkam's When they said what white rhino does

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Speaker 2: this given birth at Orkan Zoo, And I says, two

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Speaker 2: days ago, seventy kg baby.

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Speaker 7: You could become the zoo correspondent at this race with

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Speaker 7: this exclusive.

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Speaker 2: So have you got any extra details? I don't know

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Speaker 2: the name of the baby yet.

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Speaker 7: The g as yet unnamed. I can tell you there

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Speaker 7: was a seventeen month gestation, which I thought was quite

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Speaker 7: a long time.

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Speaker 8: Or a woman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big unit, a rhino, big.

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Speaker 7: Unit, and the baby is seventy kilograms of it ouch.

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Speaker 7: So the pair are living in the rhino barn. I

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Speaker 7: heard you saying, I hope you can see it soon.

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Speaker 7: I think they're talking about perhaps earlier in the new year.

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Speaker 7: They might get the couple back out into the enclosure

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Speaker 7: so zoo visitors can enjoy this. And of course it's

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Speaker 7: a third rhino, as you mentioned, a valuable addition to

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Speaker 7: the region.

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Speaker 2: When was the last time you went to the zoo?

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Speaker 7: Well, I was trying to think about that. I think

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Speaker 7: maybe two or three years ago with my son's fourteen,

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Speaker 7: so I think we're possible.

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Speaker 2: The problem, isn't it the kids get older, then they

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Speaker 2: don't want to go to the zoo. Sucks mum, you know,

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Speaker 2: And they don't want to go to the zoo. And

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Speaker 2: then you don't go to the zoo, and the next thing,

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Speaker 2: you go to the zoo and you say, where's the

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Speaker 2: hippos and they went, Oh, the hippos left ages ago.

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Speaker 7: That's right. I hate to think. But when I grew up,

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Speaker 7: I remember seeing the polar bears.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, which was pretty oh yea, yea, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: the polar bear walking back and forth, the crazy polar

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Speaker 2: bear absolutely, and the tea drinking chimpanzees. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 7: Things have changed.

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Speaker 2: How's Walker's weather?

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Speaker 7: Well, on look, it's a fine day, another fine day.

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Speaker 7: There is possibly a shower in the afternoon. We've got southerlys.

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Speaker 7: Oh there are bit fresh this afternoon too, and a

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Speaker 7: twenty three degree high.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Wendy. It is a sixteen to six.

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Speaker 2: We're off to Gavin Grand the UK, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

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Speaker 2: The incoming one, the temporary one admits that all we

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Speaker 2: don't really safeguard against sexual abuse. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 2: at a moment. And already online and waiting to be

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Speaker 2: talked to is Barbara Edmonds, who is the finance spokesperson

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Speaker 2: for the Labor Party, to talk about the numbers yesterday. Actually, Barbara,

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Speaker 2: you can if you're listening right now and you're sitting

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Speaker 2: there on hold. Hugh just sent me a text and said,

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Speaker 2: could you ask the Labor spokesperson if they feel any

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Speaker 2: embarrassment or shame for the position they put New Zealand into.

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Speaker 2: Let me go there. There's a heads up for you. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's been a hard year. It's time for you to

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Speaker 2: Smith's City. They've got you covered. Smith City have been

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Speaker 2: They boast a comprehensive range of lounge, dining, bedroom, men

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Speaker 2: outdoor furniture in the latest trends, but also the traditional

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Speaker 2: comforts of a lazy boy. You deserve a lazy boy.

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Speaker 2: Don't deny yourself. They've got beds and all sizes from

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's most trust to bed brand, Sleepyhead. And they've

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Speaker 2: got best in class appliances across refrigeration, cooking appliances, washing machines, dryers,

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Speaker 2: dish washers, coffee machines, vacuums, TV and audio much more.

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Speaker 2: And their deals are insane amazing discounts right across the

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Speaker 2: they'll match it. So why waste time when Smith's City

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Speaker 2: the new Waireau Park outlet, or you can shop online

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Speaker 2: at Smithcity dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Insi Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for

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Speaker 1: New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray from the UK. Good morning to you, Gavin Gray.

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Speaker 2: Are you there? Gavin? You have a technical problem here? Okay,

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Speaker 2: we will go to Barbara. It appears will do, which

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Speaker 2: is good news. Barbara Emmons, who is labor As Finance spokesperson,

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Speaker 2: joins us right now, hallo, Barbara.

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Speaker 3: Good morning inter How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very good at your phone. You use works, Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: Gavin's does not. Okay, Well, look, we had some grim

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Speaker 2: readings for the Treasury's half year Economic and Fiscal update.

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Speaker 2: The books will stay in the red until at least

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine, a year later than previously predicted, and

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister Nichola Willis is blaming you, saying, in the

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Speaker 2: past five years, labor added more than one hundred billion

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Speaker 2: dollars to our debt. So you have the chance to

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Speaker 2: rejoin to that. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I heard the question posed by one of your

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Speaker 3: listeners earlier. So do you look at government financial statements

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Speaker 3: going all the way back to say nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: meaning obviously sorry to donate, where the change in government

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Speaker 3: A debt had tracked from around twenty billion dollars had

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Speaker 3: gone up over sixty billion dollars. That was to cover

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Speaker 3: the GFC and to cover christ Church rebuilt. We clearly

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Speaker 3: had a pandemic and that increased debt to just over

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Speaker 3: our hundred billion dollars. What we saw is that as

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Speaker 3: a percentage of debt GDP, that started to come down

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Speaker 3: in the same way that most government starts to pay

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Speaker 3: down that debt as certain as that sort of crisis

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Speaker 3: is over, what has happened so far is that Nichol

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Speaker 3: Willis is borrowing more, has more debts, a larger deficit.

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Speaker 3: And that's because we're not sure why she's boring more.

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Speaker 3: Except for obviously tax cuts, which really said are unaffordable.

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Speaker 3: She chose bringing back interested auctibility for landworks and then

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Speaker 3: tobacco company obviously with their tax break. So for me,

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Speaker 3: it is her reputation that intestinesn't pay out.

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Speaker 2: Well, my text is that you heard me read the

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Speaker 2: text out from you. He actually did a two parts

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Speaker 2: and one whether you felt any embarrassment for the position

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Speaker 2: you put in New Zealand in while you were in

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Speaker 2: charge of the benches. He also went on to say,

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Speaker 2: while you can argue the Coalition hasn't got their recovery right,

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Speaker 2: if the Labor Party of the labor governments hadn't been

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Speaker 2: so profligate with the money during the pandemic and over

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Speaker 2: that period of time, we wouldn't need the recovery in

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Speaker 2: the first place. So do you take any part responsibility

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Speaker 2: for the situation this country finds itself in today?

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Speaker 3: So I take responsibility for the funding that we gave

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Speaker 3: out as part of COVID to help people with the

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Speaker 3: Wave Subsody, to help businesses with the Wave Subjedy, so

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Speaker 3: that employees employees could stay connected. The COVID Residents Support

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Speaker 3: scheme is obviously people needed them money as they were

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Speaker 3: losing jobs because of COVID and also because of the

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Speaker 3: Small Business Cash Alan scheme. The issue was this of

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Speaker 3: their borrowing more and it was the tax cuts which

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Speaker 3: were unaffordable. The plan that they came up with the

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Speaker 3: budget this year, those figures have been revised and they're

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Speaker 3: worse than what they were. So we're not seeing any

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Speaker 3: plan countries from this government and the plan is clearly

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Speaker 3: not working.

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Speaker 2: Okay, isn't it just rich as well?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: You know, you blame or you say that they can't

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Speaker 2: blame you, but you when you're talking about what you did,

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Speaker 2: always blame COVID. But there was an awful lot of

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Speaker 2: other funding and spending decisions that were made that were

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Speaker 2: not because of the pandemic but because of your ideological stance,

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Speaker 2: whether it was you know, increasing the minimum wage or

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Speaker 2: worrying about the conditions of workers and et cetera. You know,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of that spending that was also

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Speaker 2: could be considered considering the books and considering the economic

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Speaker 2: situation to be profligate that you did for ideological reasons.

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Speaker 3: So those two examples that you've used are examples of

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Speaker 3: where the cost is on the employer in order to

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Speaker 3: pay a bit more though that they had the minimum wage.

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Speaker 3: So again, when you look at the debt trajectory for

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Speaker 3: New Zealand since the mid two thousand, there have been

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Speaker 3: three major crisis which governments have borrowed for. So we

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Speaker 3: again going back to the deficit. Nickel wative deficit is

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Speaker 3: worse than what Brent Robinson in Iran except at the

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Speaker 3: height of cope. I apologize you'd carry on the current.

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Speaker 2: You don't apologize for them.

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Speaker 3: I don't apologize for the wedge subsidies that was absolutely

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Speaker 3: needed at the time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So had you stayed on in power, would the

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Speaker 2: financial situation of this country be better now than it is?

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Speaker 2: In your opinion?

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Speaker 3: Well, based on the economic fiscal forecast that we left

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Speaker 3: when we were in government, for the books, both in budget,

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Speaker 3: both in prefood so in twenty three they were stronger

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Speaker 3: than the numbers that were given here and part of

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Speaker 3: the reason why he's stronger is you look at the numbers.

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Speaker 3: You look at the spending that happened, that was happening

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Speaker 3: in an infrastructure, which for school builds, housing builds, hospital builds,

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Speaker 3: for example. That's all money that gets recycled back into

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Speaker 3: the economy through jobs. So the construction sector you've seen

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Speaker 3: since the gunment has come and there are twelve thousand

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Speaker 3: fewer construction roles. All right, but sort of stimulus is needed, Barbara,

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Speaker 3: we got to go.

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Speaker 2: But guess what because we had a failure of a

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Speaker 2: phone unit with our UK correspondent. You've got a good

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Speaker 2: old crack to get to go back at what happened

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Speaker 2: over the course of yesterday. And I thank you for

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Speaker 2: your timing for waking up.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Jjents.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon? It is now six? Minister six.

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Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early

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Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture

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Speaker 1: beds and applying store youth talk zippy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the old texts are going off. The morning Android

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Speaker 2: called bs from Barbara Emans commentary and her lack of

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Speaker 2: accountability for the part that they government played with respect

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Speaker 2: to the current financial fiasco. That's exactly right. What I

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Speaker 2: just asked her was you're part of the problem, aren't it.

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Speaker 2: You can't complain about their solution when you were actually

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Speaker 2: part of the problem.

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Speaker 7: So glad you're talking about this, Because I read Labour's

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Speaker 7: press release on this, I was going to mention it

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Speaker 7: on the show on a May. Still, it's like they

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Speaker 7: live in an alternative universe. Like her reputation, Nichola Willison's reputation.

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Speaker 2: Shot tatus isn't tatus.

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Speaker 7: She has ruined the economy with absolutely no awareness of

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Speaker 7: the fact that we're in this position because of them.

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Speaker 2: Judy says, how many extra public service employees did labor

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Speaker 2: employ Why there we go? Because I was asked, I

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Speaker 2: was saying, you did a whole She was playing it

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Speaker 2: all on COVID and the pandemic, and all I said,

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Speaker 2: you did an awful lot of ideological stuff that meant

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Speaker 2: an awful lot of government spending. So you're responsible. John says,

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Speaker 2: good grief. What's up with these labor people complaining about

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Speaker 2: national boring? And yet Chrishipkins came out and said, as

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Speaker 2: soon as it gets in power, he's going to borrow

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Speaker 2: even more. These guys cannot see their own hypocrasy.

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Speaker 7: Do you know what the problem is? Too many of us,

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Speaker 7: like we're still alive.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we were there during COVID.

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Speaker 7: We haven't forgotten what happened.

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Speaker 2: Barb's yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, we're going to talk to the cler wiless about

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Speaker 7: it after.

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Speaker 2: And I wanted to talk to you about hippos, but

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Speaker 2: that's another thing. Maybe I'll say that for tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: Let's talk about hippos tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to produce for the LEO. See you tomorrow.

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