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Speaker 1: Busy as the first of July twenty twenty four. Welcome

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Speaker 1: all you Bespokey Dokies to the Daily Bespoke Podcast, And

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Speaker 1: we've got a special guest on the show today, none

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Speaker 1: other than Paul Henry.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Paul here, Paul Henry is going to be

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Speaker 4: coming in.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be rocking and soon he's currently with

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Speaker 1: Jab John O n Bin and then he's going to

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Speaker 1: be getting and hanging out with us. So we'll be

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Speaker 1: covered and post it stamps they he's asleep. There'll be

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Speaker 1: there'll be so many practical jokes played on old old

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Speaker 1: Paul Henry when he comes on.

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Speaker 2: Have we got something something?

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Speaker 1: We got a little something something?

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Speaker 4: Well, it was always good to think about what the

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Speaker 4: first question we're going to ask him. I mean, Paul

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Speaker 4: Henry himself a very good interviewer, so as he knows

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Speaker 4: the most important thing of any interview is the opening question.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I've got some information for you, Jeremy. I know

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Speaker 1: for a potential fact that he's had his nipples pest

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Speaker 1: in the past.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Is that is that public knowledge or is that personal

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Speaker 4: information that he shared at some stage?

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Speaker 2: Uh, I think it's public. It's in the public realm.

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Speaker 1: I think it's in the public realm.

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Speaker 4: Should we google it and see if it's in the

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Speaker 4: public realm.

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Speaker 1: Has I mean, do you I wonder how many listeners

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Speaker 1: right now know that's true.

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Speaker 4: Or not Henry nipple piercing. If there's anything that comes up,

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Speaker 4: Oh goodness, gracious, Okay, well that's really through something weird

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Speaker 4: at me. So it turns out the poor, poor poor Henry.

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Speaker 4: Paul Henry's some kind of like weird.

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Speaker 2: E mail. There's a Paul Henry male. What is that?

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Speaker 4: Paul Henry is like a sort of a node model,

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Speaker 4: Paul Henry nipple peerson. M Okay, I got up.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, say Paul Henry scolded for comments on Hillary's breasts,

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Speaker 1: Hillary Barry's breasts.

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Speaker 4: And I've got Paul Henry on the dick shirt incident,

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Speaker 4: have you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: This is this is a good way to do your podcast,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? So you you do your research on the pot.

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Speaker 1: So this is a real look behind the curtains on

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Speaker 1: how how hard we work, isn't it the really look

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Speaker 1: like how the sausage is crumbled? The sausages crumbled, how's

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Speaker 1: the cookie is made? I've just googled Paul Henry nipple piercing.

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Speaker 1: It's come up with Paul Henry reveals why he hates people. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Paul Henry said, having just walked in on a conversation

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Speaker 1: about organizations that want them to attend their evening events. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I kind of get that. How many evening events do

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Speaker 1: I surprised there was all these events with free alcohol.

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Speaker 1: You have them because it was because there aren't really

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Speaker 4: seven chart. But I imagine are there's still as many

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 1: But now you can just send the product to the

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Speaker 1: you don't have to put on free bows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so maybe that's what that's about.

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Speaker 1: I put up I put up a picture of me

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Speaker 2: I did some sales. Do you see that?

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Speaker 2: What did you get sent from? This great jacket? Actually?

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Speaker 1: And I only put it up because the jacket was

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Speaker 2: There, I'll show you the jacket.

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Speaker 1: There, there's jacket I got seen from Tuesday label such

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Speaker 1: Well, I ran into them at a restaurant, the people

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Speaker 1: Tuesday label which part of Ponsmi Roads are sort of

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Speaker 1: But they sent me it and I took a picture

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Speaker 4: Okay, did you put it on your story or did

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Speaker 1: I'm much more story focused these days. Well, story comes

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Speaker 1: like it's a big compment to put an actual picture

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everyone goes with the stories nowadays.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everyone goes with Hey, I've gone you know

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Speaker 2: Some people shove.

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Speaker 1: Some people shove a reel up you mas, She'll shove

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Speaker 1: a real yah on the met and Jerry and.

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Speaker 4: I don't have them to do anymore. So I've been

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Speaker 4: a week. I've gone a week now without it, and interestingly,

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Speaker 4: my screen time report has come in and last week

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Speaker 4: I averaged one hour forty seven of screen time a day.

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Speaker 1: Jerry, you hurt my feelings on the weekend. Why because

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Speaker 1: I sent you a text and I said it was

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Speaker 1: a picture of the cover of Tripped, the new Norman

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Speaker 1: Euler book Nazi Germany, the CIA and the Dawn of

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Speaker 1: the Psychedelic Age, with the comment the blitzed author has

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Speaker 2: What did you want me to reply? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Fine, I did she reply?

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Speaker 4: Really, let's see, there's not like a there's not.

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Speaker 1: And then and then then I also sent you on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: We should get this guy on our podcast, you know,

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Speaker 1: because that book Blitzed is such a great book. And

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Speaker 1: But interestingly, the Nazis did a lot of work on

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Speaker 2: They swept on and got all these guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really interesting because the experiments they were

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Speaker 4: I watched a bit of that Nazi docco that's on

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Speaker 4: He's one of Hitler's favorites. Yeah, they got on like

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Speaker 4: know Albert Shpeer was in charge of the munitions, so

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Speaker 4: We're going to lose the war, right, And he sent

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Speaker 4: Hitler was like, there is no way that to and

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Speaker 4: so Albert Spear and then he said, if you if

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Speaker 1: we'll be with Paul Henry and the nipples. First question,

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think you should, because don't you know, I feel

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Speaker 4: You definitely know him better than I was briefly in

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Speaker 2: Wine before we answer this question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got the dates wrong with the cups.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, you got to ask it because you know

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Speaker 5: So so is the questions I've been out of the

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Speaker 5: your top vibe.

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Speaker 2: Still he's still?

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Speaker 4: And then how your nips he's still pierce nips?

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Speaker 2: Was that all you came up with? Was that kind

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Speaker 2: it just around his nups?

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Speaker 1: I'm want to say Tim's hard as well, because they

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Speaker 5: Oh I thought you I thought that was the name

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Speaker 1: No, they shot so we could ask about tomorrow because

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Speaker 1: he's because when you think of Paul Henry, you don't

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Speaker 1: think tomorrow, do you. But he's been down in the

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Speaker 2: They mentioned in tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Boat, I think there's some stuff there around.

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Speaker 2: He's selling his boat, isn't he. I think he's not

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Speaker 4: Is it called like Delilah or Lilah or something.

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Speaker 1: I think the cost of living crisis meant that people

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Speaker 5: Do you know what we've discovered today, Fellas, We've discovered

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Speaker 5: a mess floor and our new What's what I'm looking

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Speaker 5: for here? Structure around these interview podcasts? Yeah, if the

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Speaker 5: Paul Henry, he has just walked through.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Paul Henry's walk through. So should we take a

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Oh no, the break's happening now, mate.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back and then he can walk in. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we'll bout it back.

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Speaker 1: And he's not quite here. Rud's opening the door for him.

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Speaker 1: Persy Campbell's there's a welcoming party for him. They're just

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Speaker 1: laying the red carpet.

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Speaker 2: I feeling quite nervous about my first question. I don't

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Speaker 2: think you need to worry about that. I think you

446
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Speaker 2: should ask it. Actually, if you want to ask, Yeah,

447
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Speaker 2: it's Paul Henry.

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Speaker 4: I mean would he would he be worried about asking

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Speaker 4: a question of us?

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Speaker 2: No? No, Well what am I doing?

451
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Speaker 1: I might like like sugar the medicine by saying, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: you know mentioned that we want to come in with

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Speaker 1: a strong question at the start of the pod.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't sugar.

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Speaker 4: You're not allowed to sugarcat the medicine straight at No, no, no,

456
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Speaker 4: you just got to come straight.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the only way to go.

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Speaker 1: It comes, it comes, okay.

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Speaker 2: Ten, Paul Henry's on the.

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Speaker 4: Welcome where you yes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, please you there and I'll turn your microphone on. Then, Paul,

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Speaker 5: we're on.

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Speaker 2: Now We're always going.

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Speaker 1: This is our new initiative where the pot is just

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Speaker 1: going when people arrive. Are you guys the first to

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Speaker 1: do that or is it happening everywhere?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We've accidentally done it, so I don't know if we

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Speaker 1: can claim was just easier than thinking of a beginning.

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Speaker 1: I have thought of the beginning.

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Speaker 2: You still got Pierce Nips never had them. Oh damn it,

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Speaker 2: this is disappointing.

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Speaker 1: So that was a lie on what I like to

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Speaker 1: you When you said that you had pierce nips.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're misremembering.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah I had on the first time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a pierced belly button years ago. But

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Speaker 2: but no, because apparently No, I don't know if this

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Speaker 2: is true, but this is what I've been told. One

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Speaker 2: of the most painful places to have a piercing is

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Speaker 2: the nipple. Oh yeah, right, that's one of the most painful.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon? The bloodiest is that's oh, the

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Speaker 2: bloodiest eyebrow? No, like, there's one place you can be pierced, which.

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Speaker 4: Is like, oh, oh the night Albert.

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Speaker 1: No, no, don't start pointing you a nether regions because

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Speaker 1: that doesn't work on a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Are we being filmed? I don't think so. Are we?

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Speaker 2: You never know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're dressed, we bothered to come here.

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Speaker 2: You're tongue right through your tongue. Yeah, that's the bloodiest one.

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Speaker 1: I had to have plastic surgery in my tongue. I

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Speaker 1: was mugged in London and my tongue was blick completely

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Speaker 1: and half.

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Speaker 2: Did it bleed like crazy.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you're right, I bleed like crazy. They had to

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Speaker 1: sew it up right down the middle and it works now.

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Speaker 1: But now it's really fat.

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Speaker 2: You were mugged in the mouth. Look how fat is tongue?

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Speaker 2: Is I got anything to do with the Are you

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Speaker 2: blamed the.

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Speaker 1: Surgery for that was already big? In fact, the reason

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Speaker 1: why I but throw it was too big from my

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Speaker 1: mouth when I got mugged, So you know it was

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Speaker 1: Actually you can't blame the muggers for that.

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Speaker 2: That's the widest tongue of anything. It was hanging out

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Speaker 2: like a dog. It's weird, isn't It's conversation has taken it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's quite shocking. There's conversation has taken a

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Speaker 2: weird turn. Well, the thing is, what did they take

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Speaker 2: from you? Mat it's involved in it.

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Speaker 1: This was back in the day when iPods. It was

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Speaker 1: for just of an iPod, and it was.

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Speaker 2: They were they were there was a cachet with your eyepods.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting because it was it was sort

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Speaker 1: of a news story thing that was going that that

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Speaker 1: that people getting mugged for the iPods. And I've just

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Speaker 1: been reading about it and I was going, oh, people

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Speaker 1: aren't getting well.

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Speaker 2: You were distracted because you were reading.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was walking down the street and they

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Speaker 1: actually mugged me for our motorbike. Ah, so they ran

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Speaker 1: me from behind and then I flipped over and this

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Speaker 1: was London. It was London, and I thought that I

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Speaker 1: felt sorry for them because they crashed their bike so

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Speaker 1: they were idiots, and because someone had leaned over to

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Speaker 1: get it. They and then and then I got up

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Speaker 1: briefly and win, you guys are right.

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 1: And then I fell straight down my face and when

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Speaker 1: I woke up, I was surrounded by horse police, you know,

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Speaker 1: police on horses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, it was part of a media thing that was

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Speaker 1: happening then, and I became one in the paper. I

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Speaker 1: was like the third one that had happened in London.

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Speaker 2: They still do a lot of that mugging on on motorbike, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or even scooter in London. It's not a great way

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Speaker 2: to go. And they do stabbing that way too. Drive stabbing, yeah,

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Speaker 2: drive by stabbing, stabbing and then grabbing either or just

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Speaker 2: a random I mean I don't know the full details.

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Speaker 2: I imagine it stab grab yeah, but sometimes it's just

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Speaker 2: stab We had one outside. We've got a place close

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Speaker 2: to Chelsea Bridge, and Chelsea Bridge is quite at quite

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Speaker 2: a good place. Were you close to Chelsea brid? Was

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Speaker 2: the whole tongue thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole tongue thing even closer to Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: it's been great coming in anyway, you're in for Traders too,

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Speaker 1: so we also have prepared a questioning around that.

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Speaker 2: Oh how was tomru you know what it to be

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Speaker 2: serious for a moment. That was a huge call to

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Speaker 2: take the production to Timorrow. I mean that that was money.

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Speaker 2: That was serious money because you know how big the

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Speaker 2: production is on Traders. But it was well worth it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it was almost almost winter. The

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Speaker 2: place looks like it's surrounded by lies, you know, Canterbury

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Speaker 2: and winter, you know the low mist that's still crisp air.

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Speaker 2: And it was almost a castle. And in the mansion

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Speaker 2: that we were in is called to castle, and it

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Speaker 2: was castle. It's on it what's the name of the road.

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Speaker 2: It's on a mount horrible road? Mountain horrible horrible?

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Speaker 4: How horrible was Mount horrible that they named it?

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like it wasn't even properly a mountain, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was like a helic so as mountains go, you

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Speaker 2: know you're okay. So something horrible happened clearly at Mount Home.

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Speaker 2: I should look, I should research it. No, I can't

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Speaker 2: be bothered. I'm not going to do it. But this

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Speaker 2: time I've been asked, why why is it called Mount Horrible?

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Speaker 2: There must be a reason. It goes way back. This

568
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Speaker 2: house that we were in where we filmed, was built

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Speaker 2: like in the eighteen hundreds, which for New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: quite a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: What sort of early eighteen hundreds, eighteen sixties, something like that.

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Speaker 1: I actually think because having.

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Speaker 2: Been I love eeen hundred is a long time, gave

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Speaker 2: up the that line of questioning, which is it no idea.

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Speaker 4: The house was built in the nineteen eighteen could built

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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety nine, nineteen oh one. It's a big

577
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Speaker 4: range in building methods and all you're.

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Speaker 1: In the wrong centuries building it was because the nineteenth

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Speaker 1: centuries at eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen, eighteens, yeah, eighteen, yeah.

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Speaker 4: In the eighteens, yeah, there were very there's no standing

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Speaker 4: building in New Zealand that was built in the eighteenth century.

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Speaker 2: We just have almost lost everyone now, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: surprisingly are you sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a big name, Paul. They're holding on there something,

586
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Speaker 1: they think they might go somewhere.

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Speaker 2: They've never heard a conversation before.

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Speaker 1: They're hopeful. Right now, they're in the hopeful stage.

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Speaker 5: I can find absolutely nothing on Mount Horrible Road and

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Speaker 5: why it's called Mount Horrible in New Zealand. I mean,

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Speaker 5: maybe just people don't see.

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Speaker 2: But that fits in with what I said about Canterbury,

593
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Speaker 2: you know, and lies and secrets, and that it had

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Speaker 2: been I want to say ghastly house, but I mean

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Speaker 2: there were aspects of it that were truly ghastly.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense to be in a mention.

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Speaker 1: I was on Trader season one and that was weird

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Speaker 1: because we were in chalais So and when I agreed

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Speaker 1: to do Traders, I mentioned I was going to be

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Speaker 1: in I was the Haunted House part of it was

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Speaker 1: one of the things that most attract attracted me to.

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Speaker 2: We've nailed that the season. So, hold on, were you

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Speaker 2: actually staying in Horrible Castle or whatever it's called. No,

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Speaker 2: surely you were staying in a motel and correct, yeah, okay, correct,

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Speaker 2: that's possibly more horrible, but you're castle itself. No, But

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Speaker 2: I know where you're going. I know where you're going,

607
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure there were some pretty horrible motels a

608
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Speaker 2: long time. These people are there from breakfast through into

609
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Speaker 2: well after dinner, and I mean it was spooky. It's

610
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Speaker 2: had a weird past, right, like quite a weird past.

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Speaker 4: But that's that, to be honest, that's South Canterbury for you.

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Speaker 4: I mean South Canterbury's got tim itself has got a

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Speaker 4: fascinating pass and there's an interesting underbelly going on in

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Speaker 4: tim Ado. I mean, I know that you've been embroiled

615
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Speaker 4: in a skinhead.

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Speaker 3: Gang.

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Speaker 2: You went to a skinhead gang headquarter us at one.

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Speaker 1: Stage a road road Night Nomad's no, there was the

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Speaker 1: Road Nights. Yeah, yeah it was. It wasn't my fault.

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Speaker 1: I was hitching a ride with a friend. He didn't

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Speaker 1: tell me that his dad was in the Road Nights

622
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Speaker 1: when he said, oh, we can give you a time

623
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Speaker 1: from Nelson and I get in this gang car and

624
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Speaker 1: I was like terrified. And then they took me said

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Speaker 1: we're stopping here. And then when we got to Maru

626
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Speaker 1: and took me behind like the corrugated iron fence, and

627
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Speaker 1: I was now there was like Nazi insignia everywhere, and

628
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Speaker 1: I was thinking this is taking a weird turn and

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Speaker 1: then some this is in the center of Maro, where

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Speaker 1: were the speed just outside? I think it was was

631
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Speaker 1: it was recent I thought it was it was recently.

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Speaker 1: It was recently up for sale.

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Speaker 4: Wash Tomka, I think it was that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have been, but it was recently up

635
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Speaker 1: for sale. But then I went in there and I

636
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: sat down. I was terrified, and then this this massive

637
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Speaker 1: guy came up to me said you want a drink?

638
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: And I said no, and he said you're having a

639
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: fucking drink?

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Speaker 2: Massive and what just huge, huge, like a burg scary guy.

641
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: And I said yes, I had that drink, and then

642
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Speaker 1: I had the drink and then he said you have

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Speaker 1: another one. Before I knew it, I was this teenager

644
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Speaker 1: absolutely freaking wasted in this gang headquarters.

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Speaker 2: And we got out alive though, because that's that can

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Speaker 2: be the beginning of a story that someone else has

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00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: to tell because you didn't get out alive. Yeah, that's right.

648
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: It felt like it was going that way.

649
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Speaker 1: But then actually halfway through, when I got quite steamed,

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Speaker 1: I thought this is actually kind of like the Boy Scouts.

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Speaker 1: There was a sort of lameness to it that came

652
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Speaker 1: in later on once night that you were prepared. But yeah,

653
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: but once once the alcohol sort of got rid of

654
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: like seventy percent of my fear. I was looking around,

655
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Speaker 1: going this is kind of just like a cool boy

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Speaker 1: Scouts got a club room or something.

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Speaker 4: But to be fair, when you think of I mean,

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Speaker 4: the first things that come to my mind are Hitler's tree, skinheads,

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Speaker 4: the Leashman's that's.

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Speaker 2: If you go through that order, yeah, if you go

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Speaker 2: three things.

662
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: Of course, there's the tree that ended up at Timadoo

663
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: Boys High that Hitler gave to Jack Lovelock and he

664
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: brought it back and he planted it at Timadoo Boys Hi.

665
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: It's now flourishing. It's an oak tree.

666
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

667
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: A piece of the Third Reich still exists in Timo.

668
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: Then of course there's the that maybe that started some

669
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: of the Nazi.

670
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: Maybe it did. Did they have a plaque for the tree?

671
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: They do, because that's a really interesting story that I

672
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: didn't know. They didn't know about the tree.

673
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: I didn't know about the tree. Yeah, Jack love Lock

674
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: when he won and k yeah, yeah, yeah, Hitler gave

675
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: him the tree, gave him the seedling. He brought it

676
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: back in the school grounds. It's a it's an elm

677
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: tree or elm.

678
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: People paint that guy as someone who did no good.

679
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: Who's who would have ever thought that?

680
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: That's you know, you think about the laying on of

681
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: hands in terms of going back over Popes and Saint

682
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: Peter and all. Well, Hitler has laid his hands on

683
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: this particular saplin or seedling, whatever it is, and then

684
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: he's given it.

685
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: To Jack Lovelock.

686
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 4: Jeff, it's a great, it's a great and then Jack's

687
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: gone over to England.

688
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: I think Jack died, didn't Jack.

689
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: They didn't know whether it was a suicide or whether

690
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: it was an accident, but he ended up falling in

691
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: front of the the train in the underground and he

692
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: was hit by which is a crazy story as well.

693
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: I mean that guy led a very intro Jack love

694
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: Lock led a very interesting.

695
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean it's I mean, a surprising number of people

696
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: do have died that way? Yeah, in London, it's not, yeah, hugely.

697
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: There's always a like, you know, for a guy who

698
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: seemed to be quite sort of good gilet walking and running,

699
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: he seemed to have had a bit of a shitty there.

700
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: But still that tree is sitting there anyway, The Leashman,

701
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: Mark and.

702
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: The late Phil. Be honest, that was the least interesting

703
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: of the three because they had to be born somewhere,

704
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: didn't they.

705
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: Like, well, shall we replace them with what's his name

706
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: from the ex Jordan?

707
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: Luck?

708
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: He was born in Tomorrow, so we could remove them.

709
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Leishman's out or the least. The Mark's trying to sell

710
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: his house up in Metcanna at the moment.

711
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: Again, that's not interesting.

712
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: It's a good party house. I looked at it in

713
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: the papers in the weekend. I thought that's a bloody

714
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: good place for her, but for a party.

715
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: Do you know? The funny thing here is, so I

716
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: come to talk about traitors, right, and it takes a

717
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: bit of a turn, which I'm happy to buy into.

718
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: But it just keeps turning further and further away. But

719
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: we were in Matacana now, so you're selling the benefits

720
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: of Mark Leishman's house currently available. Okay, we'll probably move

721
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: away from that real estate stuff, but I'll bring it back.

722
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: I can bring it back you how comte? No, Okay,

723
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: that's the end of that story. Yeah, but that was

724
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: good as it's selling house selling. Yeah, and I do.

725
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: But just before we leave the tree. It actually doesn't

726
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: look particularly evil. I'm looking at a picture of it now.

727
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: Can you can you see this? No, Paul, I mean you.

728
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Wouldn't say that that looks inherently third reichi, would you?

729
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: Or, to be honest, even that big.

730
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: No, actually, that's not that big as it's not that

731
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: big bus this picture was taken. That's as big as

732
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: it's going to get. Because that picture was taken in

733
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight.

734
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: I think it's been heavily perunda over the years. You

735
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: just said that you have no idea it was a

736
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: crown that did a crown reduction on it early on.

737
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: You can imagine a movement to get that chop down,

738
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: though that would be ridiculous. You could imagine surely.

739
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: I was just going to say anywhere else but maybe

740
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: not tomorrow.

741
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: Which is part of a which is exactly what I'm

742
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: saying with the with the that we were talking about,

743
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: in the fact that tree does exist, I don't think wouldn't.

744
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: You see now this is all coming to me is

745
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: completely new, and don't think for one moment I want

746
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: to keep talking about it. But but wouldn't you take

747
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: grafts off it? I mean, that's it's a pretty cool yarn. Yeah.

748
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 4: Well, I think people are concerned that maybe Nazis turn

749
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: up if they publicize it too much, that Nazis may

750
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: turn up from around the world and try and take

751
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: grafts and then try and propagate the tree.

752
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Again and then have a this is a Nazi forest.

753
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: This isn't it as a tribute to.

754
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: This is actually this is actually a question actually dovetails

755
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: back into Traders too, which I think is this do

756
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: you think and this.

757
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 2: Is sort of the current culture.

758
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: It's a question around the current culture as well, because

759
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Traders is a show that leans into the dark side

760
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: of life, and it also has quite terrifying challenges. I

761
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: remember the season I was on. We were at a

762
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: church and went in and it was terrified. All these

763
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: people turned around there these masks on. If Andrew Systeman

764
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: and Haley Cunningham and known about Hitler's tree, do you

765
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: think in the current climate they would have done a

766
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: challenge around that tree?

767
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: No, okay, just a could set. You you're getting right

768
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: up the end. They've another cult de sect. There can't

769
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: be a could set. It wasn't there. But there's no

770
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: But I'm not I mean, there's just nothing to expand on.

771
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: No, because what also the other part of it? What

772
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: tree based?

773
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: What do you do around a traun and round a tree?

774
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: Just run around the tree? You've got to climb Hitler's

775
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm desperately trying to think of tree based challenges that

776
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: I've seen over the years, and there are surprisingly few

777
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: that don't involve chopping them down like an ax. You know,

778
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: I've seen challenges involved I know what you do, right,

779
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: You'd put all of the contestants in the tree, and

780
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: then you'd chop the tree down and it's the last

781
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: contestant to get out the tree. Oh, yes, especially if

782
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: it's a tree growing on a cliff, right, yes, yeah,

783
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: I'll tell you better. Yes, you set fire to the

784
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: tree and the last contestant out of the tree gets

785
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: the money. That's brilliant. Well you could do.

786
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. But also you could play possuming.

787
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: You know that thing that they do in Dunedin University.

788
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Everyone climbs a tree and then you drink until you

789
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: fall out of the tree because you're so drunk. Oh,

790
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: possa possuming.

791
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that idea is going to come in

792
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: here and learn anything today, But possible possums.

793
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: I think pulls onto something with the burning of the tree.

794
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: And after seeing a thing I saw in Japan earlier

795
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: on in the air called the fire festival in the

796
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: Zaba on Sene, little Japanese town up in the hills

797
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: in Nagano, where they create a bonfire and then they

798
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 4: get drunk for five days, and the twenty two year

799
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 4: olds and the forty two year olds get into groups

800
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: in the town and the twenty two year olds get

801
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: drunk for five days, and then they climb on the

802
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 4: last day, they climb up into the top of the bonfire,

803
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: and the forty two year olds come down through the

804
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: town with sticks that are caught on fire, and then

805
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: they attack the bonfire with these sticks with the twenty

806
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: two year olds who are up inside of the bond

807
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 4: that's thirty feet high, this.

808
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: Giant it's not going obviously not yet.

809
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: They keep attacking it with sticks, and then there's twenty

810
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: two year olds at the bottom whacking the forty two

811
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: year olds with the sticks trying to keep them away.

812
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: They have to hold onto ropes attached to the bonfire,

813
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: and then finally the forty two year olds. It takes

814
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: hours overwhelm the twenty two year olds who are completely hammered.

815
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: You never people are spewed.

816
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: Do they always overwhelm them?

817
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 4: They do eventually, because they're coming at them from all

818
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: angles and they can't stop it. And then it goes

819
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: up and at that point the twenty two year olds

820
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: have to get the off the top of the bonfire.

821
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: It's full on and that's the festival. Do they wear

822
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: any particular kind of clothing for this, yes, denim overalls.

823
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: They all wear them overall. Yeah. And so would you

824
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: say there's legitimate risk?

825
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's the most dangerous thing I've ever

826
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: seen in.

827
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: Mind, as dangerous as the running of the bulls.

828
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: I'd say it's up there, okay, yeah, I mean you've

829
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: got people who are so drunk either draghamon and the

830
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: drunk people at the top with no barriers or anything.

831
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 4: It's dangerous.

832
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: Its started.

833
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 4: It started because it's an unlucky They are unlucky ages,

834
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 4: and so the idea is that they're warding off, they're

835
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 4: over And what it does is it proves it's a

836
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: coming of age of the twenty two yearls to show

837
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: that they're brave and that they can work as a

838
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: team against the elders of the group, but then it

839
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 4: shows that the elders eventually overcome them because the elders

840
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 4: have the knowledge and the smarts to Actually it's.

841
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 2: A very elaborate metaphor. Yeah.

842
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 4: But then when questioned, because I asked a couple of people,

843
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: I said, is this has anyone ever said maybe this

844
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: is a danger in twenty twenty four that this might

845
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: be d And the person I was talking to said, no.

846
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Well, isn't that alt? And I'm on side, you try

847
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: and do that in New Zealand a.

848
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 4: Tradition and that they said, you can't apply the rules

849
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four to a tradition that we started

850
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 4: a one hundred years ago.

851
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: It's a completely differs. Yeah, they don't understand that in

852
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: this country country.

853
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: I think I might have seen a speech you made

854
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: the other day, Paul, where you mentioned safety societies. Didn't

855
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: you mention that I might have because the idea that

856
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: things are better because they're safe is a really interesting

857
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: and sort of depressing idea, isn't.

858
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: It that sized? Yes, every time, it's better if we

859
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: sanitize it, because.

860
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: I think that actually makes people lose their their adventure

861
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: and excitement in life. And every time you restrict someone

862
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: there's a danger to it that you're not looking at,

863
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: like say, for example, when they were alwering the speeds

864
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: to thirty kilometers an hour. Every time you do that,

865
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: you make people feel a little less agency and a

866
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: little less excited and little less likely to take risks

867
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: in other part of their lives. And if society doesn't

868
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: have risk, right, then what do we do? We don't

869
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: move forward?

870
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: The same thing goes with reward, risk and reward. You know,

871
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: you take the reward. Well, what's the point trying any harder?

872
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 2: You know, But this is the whole thing, sanitizing people's lives,

873
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: and eventually people literally lose the will to live, Yes, certainly,

874
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: the will to live independently.

875
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, But is there a moment in history where it's

876
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 4: ever been like this? No, and then it's changed around.

877
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: It's continuum. Yeah, yeah, right, I think so?

878
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: Well, so like there's been You don't think there's been

879
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: societies like that?

880
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think there's been societies that have been

881
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: as risk adverse as we are now that have come

882
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: back from that and thrown risk back.

883
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: All right, you can't go back until someone comes in

884
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: and just wipes you out because you're.

885
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: So weak, yeah, or you just wipe yourself You're just

886
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: you're just basically said, oh, yeah, fair enough.

887
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing with and if you take this

888
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: sort of a more of a micro level FSA, you've

889
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: got a kid and you just protect and protect and

890
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: more and more and more rules, then that kid ends

891
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: up in the basement and you become the monster. You know,

892
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to protect them from all the dangers in

893
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: the world. But the most protective parents are monsters, aren't they.

894
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: Ye were the best example. I mean, there are a

895
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: lot of people, as a school of thought that believes,

896
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, when your children are young, they should be

897
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: out there eating dirt. You know, they should be literally

898
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: out there experimenting with all of those things. And obviously

899
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: you have a guiding eye on them so that they

900
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: don't agitate each other. But you know, if they don't

901
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: do that, you've sanitized them physically, and so they have

902
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: no immunity to things. I mean, put very basically, what

903
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: you're saying is correct. Yeah, wants to live in a

904
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: world like that. Maybe that's why they put so many

905
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: cones in the center of Auckland, just to make it

906
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: a little less safe, a little less predictable.

907
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because when you look back at my

908
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: parents who were never home when I was home from school,

909
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: and that was actually excellent parenting, you know, whereas I'm

910
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: always home when my kids come home from school.

911
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: There's something to be said from parenting from a distance.

912
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, helicopter parenting, which is really what

913
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 4: we're kind of talking about here. It's clearly you've seen

914
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: it happen. You've seen what happens when parents do that.

915
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: It uses up a it sucks your imagy as a parent,

916
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 4: because it's very hard to be over at the top

917
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: of a child everywhere they go. But also, yeah, you

918
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 4: stop your kids from experimenting your stuff. And everybody learns

919
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: their best lessons from their own mistakes.

920
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: And from their peers, you know. So everyone's got a

921
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: few spare hours a day, so you're out there with

922
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: your peers watching them doing stupid things and copying it. Yeah.

923
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Just to bring it back to Trader's two again

924
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: and booze, because I've got a question for you, and

925
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: this is from someone that's been inside the game, right

926
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: and I was drinking way too much of Paul Henry

927
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: branded alcohol before I'd end up up at the conclave,

928
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think i've told that play out well,

929
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: or I don't think I've told anyone this yet. But

930
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: I'd arrived in the concave and the cow and I'd

931
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: be like, I can't remember anyone's name. I don't know

932
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: who I can murder here. I can only murder people

933
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: whose names I can remember.

934
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: I don't know where to go with that. This feels

935
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: like another cul de sect.

936
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: Well, this is my suggestion when they asked me what

937
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: they should do different, and I said, more time in

938
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: the conclave for people to discuss and probably a little

939
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: just probably cut the traders off earlier, earlier in the evening.

940
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, you have to be really careful with you know,

941
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: for contestants. I don't know if you'd agree with this,

942
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: but my observation of it got to be very careful

943
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: going in with a strategy. Yes, you know, you see

944
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: the people that have researched it, and we had a

945
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: lot of that this year because we had a huge

946
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: number of people apply and they were real fans of

947
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: the format, and they'd watched all the international ones and

948
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: they had developed strategies. Some of them have even spoken

949
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: to other people about you know, what sort of strategy

950
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: works in that and if you're playing this game, and

951
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 2: also as well as second guessing everything that's happening around

952
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: you and everyone around you, also second guessing your own

953
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: performance based on a strategy that you're trying to play out,

954
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: you almost have no chance in this time.

955
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: I understand you've only got real people, not C grade celebrities. Yeah,

956
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: because I think that was interesting when I arrived and

957
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: I knew everyone that made things.

958
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: Not everyone, but yeah, you knew a decent number. And

959
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: there's already a huge risk in New Zealand anyway that

960
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: you're going to. But you see, that is the risk

961
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: when you get people like yourself and the American franchise

962
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: only has celebrities yea, so they are all at the

963
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: very least aware of each other, yeah, and aware of

964
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: each other's personas. And that the great thing this year

965
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: is the audience will get to know people fresh as

966
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: they get to know each other fresh. Yeah, and that

967
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: is quite a joy, and they get into the game

968
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: much more quickly.

969
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: My strategy of pretending to be really really thick didn't work,

970
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: and because people were like, well, he's not actually that thick,

971
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: like I've talked, you know, I know him. You know,

972
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: that was a bad strategy, but it would be a

973
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: better strategy if no one knew you.

974
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if no one knew you.

975
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 4: But as you said, that wasn't really your strategy. That

976
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 4: was just the fact that you were drunk.

977
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think getting people and they don't need the

978
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: money is also silly, because like you might just want

979
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: to go home, if you know what I mean.

980
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are people that do just want

981
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: to go home because it's worse than they thought, right,

982
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: it's more unpleasant, just basically more unpleasant than they Yeah,

983
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: more taxing mentally if you don't know anyone, A lot

984
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: of them, yeah, a lot of them. It's just staying

985
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: in another day is the main challenge. Yeah, yeah, because

986
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: I think even if you go in there thinking, shoot,

987
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: I've got, like this time a one and twenty two

988
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 2: chance of winning one hundred thousand dollars, it's not very

989
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: many episodes before you're just thinking, I just have to

990
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: stay in another day. What can I do just to

991
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: make it not be killed and make it through another banishment? Yeah,

992
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: and a lot of some of that would be doing. Yeah,

993
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: as you say, not your strategy.

994
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: You know, your strategy is terrible, But I think that

995
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: what the best strategy you do.

996
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: I'll tell it, Tell it now, you tellent now. I

997
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: thought about it would be ignore.

998
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: The idea of traders and not traders and just go

999
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: to all your friends in the car on the way

1000
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: up there, because you end up in I don't know

1001
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: if there's that at this time, but I was in

1002
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: a car with five people on the way up there.

1003
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, five contestants.

1004
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: If I just said, doesn't matter which one of us

1005
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: are traders, were just stay together until until it comes

1006
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: down to five, you know what I mean, and then

1007
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: we can go for each other. That would be the

1008
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: way to do, and just take the whole. It's kind

1009
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: of playing outside of the game, and take the whole

1010
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: later on in the piece. That would work at the

1011
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: beginning when you've got twenty two. Yeah, you don't have

1012
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: sufficient numbers for that to work.

1013
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: And then also you've got to hope that turn around

1014
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: on you, like they're doing risk when you and you.

1015
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: Know that thing where people just all of a sudden say,

1016
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: why did he say that? Why would he say that?

1017
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: Because one of the One of the big failures is

1018
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: the overthinking someone sort, do you see the way today

1019
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: he crossed his legs left over right? Why would he

1020
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: do that?

1021
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: And someone just miss misspeaks. The hardest thing if you're

1022
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: if you're a traitor, is going into breakfast in the

1023
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: morning and you have to go.

1024
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: I bet, I bet, and you come and you go.

1025
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I guess look at you.

1026
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're there on all of a sudden

1027
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: lying yeah. So you're walking into every way, you're walking.

1028
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Into a room and there's like at the start, there's

1029
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, twenty odd people scaring back at you, and

1030
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: you basically look around the room and do a little

1031
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: song and dance, and inside your soul you go, no,

1032
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: it's believing this.

1033
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: Surely people are.

1034
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: Smart enough to see someone that's acting so weirdly. But

1035
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: then again you realize, you actually realize at that point

1036
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: that people are only thinking about themselves.

1037
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't even you know, the amount they think

1038
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: about you is so small. No, that's exactly right. And

1039
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: that's the tricky thing because it's fighting internally. It's that

1040
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: mind game, you know, with yourself. That's the thing you've

1041
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: got to try and get on top of which is

1042
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: easy to say. I mean, you've been in it, but

1043
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: when you're surrounded by people, and again, it's harder if

1044
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: you literally know none of them and you know that

1045
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: you want to have alliances with people and you've chosen

1046
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: people who are more friendly and more like you maybe,

1047
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: but that everyone has an equal chance of conspiring against you. Yeah,

1048
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: it's tricky. Ay, it is tricky.

1049
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: And it's tricky because you also forget the cameras are

1050
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: on and you start having stupid conversations about something and

1051
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: then halfway through, go, am I being played in this conversation?

1052
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: Like this person's being really wickedly friendly. They're laughing at

1053
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: everything I'm doing. I'm even man, I'm really I'm owning

1054
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: this table or something. Everyone's last.

1055
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: One of the great things about the game, you know,

1056
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: it is a social experiment. Yeah, and I think again

1057
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: that's enhanced by the fact that people don't know the

1058
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: backstories of any of these people.

1059
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny when you get out of it, because

1060
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: like Brodie Kane, when I was on it, and she's

1061
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, she was like, I know,

1062
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: Matt's a trade or whatever, and she just did this

1063
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: whole thing, and she celebrated, and she realized if she

1064
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: had not next to me, yep, then I was going

1065
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: to bring her, you know, I was. She was someone

1066
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: who wasn't mixing, and I wanted to. I wanted to

1067
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: help through because I thought she'd be good. And I

1068
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: was actually going to bring her in the night before,

1069
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't because I didn't know that Brooke was

1070
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: good friends with the other guy that was well and

1071
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: I was drunk in the conclave, and so he brought

1072
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: him Brock. He really was really clear whatever, and and

1073
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: so that was so funny when Brody was. When I

1074
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: was walking out and Brody was celebrated, I was like,

1075
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: you just you're celebrating your end. And because her whole

1076
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: theory that she'd put together was true, like she'd actually out,

1077
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: but out she got so immersed in the game and

1078
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: playing the game and being vocal and smart, yeah, that.

1079
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: She basically banished herself. She basically murdered herself. But there

1080
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: is an interesting strategy and very few people would ever

1081
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: consider doing it, where you try and find a trader

1082
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: not so that you can expose them, but so you

1083
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: can befriend them and make it clear to them that

1084
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: you would never ever vote for them, because if you've

1085
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: got a traitor who definitely won't kill you, you've solved

1086
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 2: half of your problem in the entire game.

1087
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true, But how do you I mean,

1088
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: the great thing about is you can't if you're a traitor,

1089
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: You can't say you're a trader to anyone.

1090
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: No, on.

1091
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of dollars, you'll get done for if

1092
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: you see out, because if you could.

1093
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: Then you just go around on a trader. If you don't,

1094
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: do you know what I thought once? Okay, so this

1095
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: is interesting because you know, I would sit down and

1096
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: I would think, because I obviously know everything, and I'm

1097
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: one of the only people that knows every thing, and

1098
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: I actually thought, say, I pulled someone aside, one of

1099
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: the twenty two aside, and I said to them, these

1100
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: are the traitors. I thought, would that help them win

1101
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: the game? And the more you think about it, the

1102
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: more you think, actually, unless they could genuinely convince someone

1103
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: I'd done that, which they probably couldn't, because why would

1104
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: I do that? How can they use that information to

1105
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: their advantage?

1106
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: In fact, it would probably back for negatived go off,

1107
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: and I'd start sucking up to these people, and these

1108
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: people would go that person's got to go they you

1109
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: know exactly, or they would go to the round table

1110
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: and they would say, well, I reckon, it's you you

1111
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: and you, well that's them dead. Yeah, you know, I

1112
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: mean it's very hard to know how you could use

1113
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: that cleverly to your own advantage.

1114
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: That is interesting.

1115
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's a complex game. I could only watch

1116
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: the second half of the season because I didn't real

1117
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: enjoy watching myself on TV and I felt like I'd

1118
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: experienced a bit that I was on. Yes, but no,

1119
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: it's a great game, and we have we've doubled down

1120
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: in the second series. I mean in so many ways,

1121
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: like the location, and the location is important because that's

1122
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: all part of the theater of the mind, but the

1123
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: location in the games, just in every way, we've doubled down. Yeah,

1124
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: it was quite luxury last time, mant in my chalet shell. Wah,

1125
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: So back to the piercings. Are you still rocking the

1126
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: belly button?

1127
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: No?

1128
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: No, not for many, many, many minutes. Oh, okay, was

1129
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: it a nineties thing? Do you know? I can't hang on,

1130
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: let me think I can't quite remember. But you know,

1131
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: decade two decades ago, maybe that went because do you

1132
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: know what happens? They sort of start to grow out

1133
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: sort of. See as I'm saying that to you're now

1134
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: looking at a completely blank expression coming back at me.

1135
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, is that true? But it is true. I

1136
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: think I'm.

1137
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 4: Imagining why it grows out. It grows out because if

1138
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 4: things are growing around the belly button, as things tend

1139
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: to do, you know, around stomachs, as we age, as

1140
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: we get older, then you is it possible to lose

1141
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: what's going on? Now?

1142
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: I think what happens, Well, it started to happen with mine,

1143
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: unless I was just imagining it that the body just

1144
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 2: starts to actually push it away so it gets closed anyway.

1145
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: So and also got bored, Yeah you got you know

1146
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: how you do? Yeah? And that therein lies the rub

1147
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: young people with tattoos. You know, you get bored with

1148
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: tattoos as well, or for any other reason you don't

1149
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: want them, and of course they're not as easy to

1150
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: take to get rid of. No, well, what do you

1151
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: think about this?

1152
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 4: No?

1153
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Or what do you think about this? Paul?

1154
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: So, like one of our producers out there, mess he's

1155
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: twenty four, and we've got a part of our show

1156
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: at the start of this podcast where we go let's

1157
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: get busy and he got that tattooed on his arm

1158
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: the other day? Do you think that was a good decision?

1159
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: Phenomenal mistake? Whereabouts on the arm? And it almost doesn't matter,

1160
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: but we're actually mash mash. Can you come here, Seecond

1161
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: and show Paul your let's get busy tattoo to see

1162
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: when did he have this done last week? So it's

1163
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: still red and puffy?

1164
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: Can you show Paul your let's get busy tattoo?

1165
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: Oh so it's not your only tattoo? No, I mean, okay,

1166
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: it's a bit yeah, I.

1167
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 4: Mean it's head in a way, most a whole lot

1168
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 4: of other stuff, a lot of other crap.

1169
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: What have you got with cards? Cards?

1170
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 4: He used to he was a magician for a while,

1171
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: disappear he was. He was a magician, so he was.

1172
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 4: That's a that's a heart back to your past, isn't it?

1173
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: As a magician?

1174
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: So that's like that that arm is like that's sort

1175
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: of like the chronicle of your life to date.

1176
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

1177
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 5: No, you're giving me more credit than I deserved there, Paul,

1178
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 5: henry Na just kind of a whole bunch of accumulated

1179
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 5: stuff over the last couple of years.

1180
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: But I guess it is a chronicle. I don't know

1181
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: it because you.

1182
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 5: Were talking about your pier things earlier before.

1183
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know,

1184
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: and I'm not even sure. I'm glad we did get

1185
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 2: onto it, but but we did, and now I've seen it,

1186
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: and I well, I mean, I said, the question from

1187
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: your colleagues was do you think you'll regret it? Yeah? Probably,

1188
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: I don't think we asked that. Well, it's what I

1189
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: distilled from what you said. Whatever happens, let's come come.

1190
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: I know what you said. What you said was that's

1191
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: probably tattoos. Yeah, oh that's right. We were talking about

1192
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: piers Oh so technically you're right, we got onto it

1193
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: from piercings. And I just said it's easier to get

1194
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: rid of a piercing than a tattoo. Yeah, true that. Yeah,

1195
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: I've had an ear ps before as well. You know

1196
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 2: that grew out like, well, there's an example I've grew out.

1197
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: See see everything cyclic right back at you.

1198
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 4: But to me, piercings and tattoos are quite different things.

1199
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

1200
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, they're often they're often bundled together.

1201
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: They're often done in the same establishment. Yeah, they are

1202
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: often done in the same establishment. Literally literally bundled together

1203
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: by the people that do them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1204
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: Well well, well, I feel like I feel like we've

1205
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: we've covered a lot today, have we ever? I feel

1206
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've changed the world.

1207
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if we've was at the aim, because

1208
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: if that was the aim, we've failed. Well, we might have.

1209
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean, there's probably a lot of people didn't know

1210
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: about the Hiller try. Oh no I didn't. Yeah, you're

1211
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: one of them. So that that sort of and that

1212
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: you know, it's a takeaway, isn't it.

1213
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's one of those things. You understand why

1214
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 4: not many people know about it because in terms of

1215
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: Team Adoo, if they're going out there and saying, come

1216
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: to tim Adoo, We've got Hitler's Tree, you know, it's

1217
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 4: not really they're not going to be obviously advertising the fact.

1218
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: That they've got Hitler's Tree.

1219
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 4: Timo Boys High doesn't really want people cruising through the school.

1220
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: They wouldn't. But so it's understandable. Could you almost could

1221
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: advertise it now? It's it's very cool. I mean, you

1222
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: don't have to be a Nazi or sympathizer or anything

1223
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: like that to think that is actually quite cool. As

1224
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: you said, he held that sapling, Yeah, handled it, handed

1225
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: it to a great Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's weird

1226
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: that it's so small though after all those years it

1227
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: started by evil just quickly, yeah, does it? Well, that's

1228
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: the thing. Can a tree possess evil?

1229
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: Apparently like tree tree size all across Nazi Gimmy, it

1230
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: was about two houses.

1231
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 4: Each tree was two meters short. If a house can

1232
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 4: a house can possess evil and be evil in itself when.

1233
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: We don't know that it can, but if it can.

1234
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 4: I can. Sometimes you look at a house and you

1235
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 4: can feel evil coming out of a house, and houses

1236
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: where people to be murdered and things often times.

1237
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: But that's coming from within you.

1238
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, But in terms of a tree, because it's renewing,

1239
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 4: it's all the time, you know, although the others, yeah,

1240
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 4: it's always it's like a human. I mean, the cells

1241
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: on me are not really I'm not really me anymore.

1242
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm I'm like that axe that the

1243
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: guy says, it's my favorite axe. That's had nine new

1244
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: handles and ten new heads exactly.

1245
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is there a cell on me that was

1246
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 4: my doesn't not one of my original cells still exist?

1247
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's sort of is do we know that?

1248
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 2: I think it's like nine years or nine years? Three

1249
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: thing replaces in nine years, So why don't I feel better?

1250
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm not replacing as well? So that aging is the

1251
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: fact effectively replacing every time.

1252
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: It's like copying a videotape of a video videotapes, so

1253
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 4: as it goes on.

1254
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: It it's worse.

1255
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: What a shit thing. It's like hangovers, Like, why do

1256
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: we have to live in a world with hangovers? And

1257
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: why do we have to live in a world where

1258
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: we've got this great system where it replaces itself.

1259
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: I think, although we don't have to live in a

1260
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: world with hangovers, we used to live in a world

1261
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: with hangovers.

1262
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: Actually, I believe that actually a world without hangovers will

1263
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: be a problem because I would drink even more than

1264
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: I do now.

1265
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: It's a strong message from God, isn't it. Yeah, it's

1266
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: like you've had enough, We'll give you this. You had

1267
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 2: too much punish, Yeah, we'll give you this that will

1268
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: feel good, but that you can't feel good all the time.

1269
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 4: Well that's the way of the universe, so, isn't it.

1270
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 4: And it has to be like that, you have to

1271
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 4: go vomp and vomp.

1272
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: Well, couldn't the Buddhas sort that out? That's true, couldn't

1273
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: but sort that out? I don't. I hadn't know, especially

1274
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 2: not the one from Northland.

1275
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: Well, Paul Henry, I'm a Buddhist, are you. Yeah, so

1276
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: we've had your second Buddhist we've had on a row.

1277
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: We had Jimmy Barnes on the show.

1278
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 2: I know that.

1279
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is another takeaway for you. So I need

1280
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: to look in the book. They don't really do that, No,

1281
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: we don't. No, he's a Buddhist. And it's an interesting

1282
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: because I probably put you in a similar mindset to

1283
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: to to Jimmy Barnes. You know, you've got a lot

1284
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: going on, You've got you know, any given time, you're

1285
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: thinking about a lot of things. And that's actually the

1286
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: people that need meditation. That's often the hardest people. It's

1287
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: at the people are not a good Buddhist. I mean

1288
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't meditate for you don't meditate.

1289
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not like because just like the

1290
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: philosophies Jimmy Barnes can't even remember them, to be honest,

1291
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: and they give you words. Oh sorry, Jimmy Barns. He's

1292
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: Buddhi's I'll just say, I'll just finish that. He's Buddhism hard.

1293
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: Like he's in with monks, he's like in temples. Okay, okay,

1294
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: he's like he's he's full on butter. He's full butdher,

1295
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: he's full Buddher. Yeah. Yeah, I love it what they

1296
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: do when you and I think maybe if you're a

1297
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: proper Buddhist, you don't talk about this. Well, no, I

1298
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: am a proper Buddhist, just not a good Buddhist. They

1299
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: give you have to take the dow, and when you

1300
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: take the dow at a temple, they whisper the secret

1301
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: words to you. Right, you're never allowed to write them down.

1302
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Speaker 2: And I think there are five secret words, and nobody

1303
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: knows if there's just five, because you're not allowed to

1304
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: tell anyone. Right, the only person you can talk to

1305
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: about your secret words is the monk or the elder

1306
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: that did the ceremony with you, and the same secret

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Speaker 2: words for everyone. I'm just saying, you're not listening. Nobody knows.

1308
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: How would you ever know that This is a genius idea.

1309
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 4: It's a genius The monk would know the person potentially,

1310
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 4: and they know what the person needs to know and

1311
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: how they need to be better.

1312
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: And then you'd say certain words and then think.

1313
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: Oh, these are the universal words for everybody, but actually

1314
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 4: that quite specific.

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Speaker 2: It might be yeah, well, they might be yeah, yeah,

1316
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: I what were your words? Became a boddy? Well, you're

1317
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: not allowed to say Jesus? Am I there anyone listening?

1318
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 4: Well? You can tell us?

1319
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: Now?

1320
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: No?

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00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: Why can I? How can I? Anyway? I can't. You're

1322
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: happy with them? I actually can't remember? But were you

1323
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: happy with them at the time? I can't really talk?

1324
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Speaker 1: Not so.

1325
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Speaker 2: Isn't it funny? Because I'm not a good Buddhist? But

1326
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Speaker 2: I'm still I'm there. I'm stopping at that point, you know,

1327
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: because that's like the most holy thing are your words?

1328
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: But I can't remember them. The funny thing is my

1329
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: youngest daughter and I we were enlisted at the same time,

1330
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: and a couple of days later, she said, I've got

1331
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: a real problem. And I said, this was much younger

1332
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 2: than I've got a real problem. I said, one, what's

1333
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: the problem? She said, I can't remember all my words. Oh,

1334
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Speaker 2: and no one can help you.

1335
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Speaker 4: But you're not meant to remember them. Who knows you're

1336
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 4: not meant to, are you not? No, of course you're

1337
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: not mean to ask you remember what you remember what

1338
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 4: you need? You remember what you need to remember. I

1339
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 4: like that the way of the world. And also if

1340
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to tell anyone even if you can't

1341
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 4: remember them, why doesn't matter. No one's going to know.

1342
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Speaker 4: Do you remember your words?

1343
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 2: Yep?

1344
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I reckon. Remembering too many things can sometimes be

1345
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: a problem. Cautful yeah, well usually not a media but well, well,

1346
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Speaker 4: this is why all.

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Speaker 2: Of us are an example of the fact that you

1348
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Speaker 2: can scrape through.

1349
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: You can no to always pretending, just always just surfing,

1350
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Speaker 1: just above what's going on and just just grasping onto

1351
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: a few weds here and there.

1352
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can be in quick starting. That can get

1353
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: you into trouble. You know when you find for the

1354
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Speaker 2: last half now you've been going oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1355
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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the bom you put

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Speaker 2: on the spot yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then you get because we were all capable of

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Speaker 1: Biden type moments. Yeah, where you start a sentence and

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Speaker 1: then the second half of the sentence you're not sure

1360
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: at the start of the sentence, yeah, And that's a

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Speaker 1: terrifying space to be because then you have to make

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Speaker 1: up the second half of the sentence in a way

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Speaker 1: that it sounds like you're trying to make a point,

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: and then you turn it around and you put a

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Speaker 1: pin on it, and at the end of it you go, actually,

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Speaker 1: that sounded like that was coherent human.

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Speaker 2: Well become times sometimes if it does, then it isn't

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Speaker 2: a Joe Biden moment. Do you like stand up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, like watching it? Yeah, yeah, some people. Yeah. I

1371
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: used to go years and years ago as a foreign

1372
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: correspondent and I used to go to this and so

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01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: I'd go to London quite a bit just to you know,

1374
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: in between trips is like a hub. And there was

1375
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: a place where I used to stay and there was

1376
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Speaker 2: stand up down the road in a pub, and it

1377
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Speaker 2: was just the most awkward thing I've ever experienced in

1378
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Speaker 2: my life. You know, how you die a little bit

1379
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: for the person on the stage, and if it's not

1380
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Speaker 2: good stand up, if it's like a cheap place like

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Speaker 2: this was. Every night there'd be a couple that were

1382
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: just woeful and it was so hard to watch that's

1383
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Speaker 2: what it's like watching Biden.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about that. It was it was it

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Speaker 1: didn't matter what Trump was saying. Even when Trump was speaking,

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Speaker 1: you were looking at Biden.

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Speaker 2: Trump didn't matter what he's watching. The strongest Trump's strongest

1388
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Speaker 2: performance was just him looking to the sign of Biden

1389
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Speaker 2: where Biden wasn't speaking or trying to.

1390
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Speaker 1: I was saying that Trump did too much and that

1391
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Speaker 1: he could have pulled right He could have pulled right back,

1392
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Speaker 1: which is good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he pulled back a lot on them. That

1394
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: was the best debate he's ever been him because he

1395
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: did pull back so much. But yeah, he could have

1396
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Speaker 2: pulled back the grave.

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Speaker 4: Pullback because he was told to pull back, or did

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Speaker 4: he genuinely pull back because he was quite flabbergasted. Just

1399
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Speaker 4: good question how he was confused as to how befuddled

1400
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 4: Joe Biden was. I mean, Joe Biden was so berfuddled.

1401
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 4: And I think that's a good question. I don't think

1402
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 4: Trump is the kind of guy that takes advice. If

1403
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 4: he wouldn't be the kind of guy he is if

1404
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 4: you took advice. Maybe it was just spur of the

1405
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 4: moment astonishment. From from Trump's point, what.

1406
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: Is quite amazing.

1407
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: Is everything that CNN did to stitch up Trump really

1408
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: for Biden agreed to all these terms. Basically no crowd

1409
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: MIC's off, so there was no.

1410
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: You know, and it wasn't CNN. It was actually the

1411
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: Biden Biden camp said this, these are the rules. But

1412
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: they didn't just said yes to everything. But they didn't.

1413
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: They didn't take a look out the two shot the.

1414
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: Well because a picture paints a thousand words and you've

1415
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: got to get and need the microphone on. It was unbelievable.

1416
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 2: The lack of blinking got to me.

1417
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't matter what, as I said before,

1418
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what Trump was saying, because I was going,

1419
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: are you going to fucking blink?

1420
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: Man?

1421
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: Do you reckon? Tonic? He was catatorpic, you know, where

1422
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: he turns his head and something in him says, this

1423
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: is a good position, and it just stays there and

1424
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: he's just tuned completely that it's possible that he may even

1425
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: though he had a shocking you know, clearly, you're just

1426
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: seeing right into the fact that this is a very

1427
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: old man who doesn't can't follow any kind of thought pattern.

1428
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: Do you think he.

1429
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 4: Won some sympathy votes from some people who actually but.

1430
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: Can you have sympathy with nuclear code? I don't think so.

1431
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 4: I wondered about I felt really sorry for him, really

1432
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: sorry for this old guy that's being exposed on television.

1433
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: He should have known what you mean, being.

1434
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 4: Exposed like that.

1435
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: That's not where a couple of commentators that said it

1436
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: was old or abuse. You know, there is that that

1437
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: aspect to it. But I mean he is where he

1438
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: is because that's where he wants to be. We can

1439
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: only assume although his wife, Jill, she seems to be

1440
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: held bent on him.

1441
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: By that footage of Jill telling him how good you were,

1442
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: and she said you answered every question. It was like

1443
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: she was talking to a two years It was.

1444
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was actually really quite very condescending the way

1445
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: she was saying it.

1446
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, because because you managed to stay upright and

1447
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: you answered every question. You didn't really answer every question.

1448
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: You started talking when it was your time. But never

1449
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: before in a debate have I seen them say you've

1450
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: got another eighty seconds.

1451
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: Who's ever stopped?

1452
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 4: But what about all the anti Trump people inside of

1453
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 4: the Republican Party, of which there are millions, They must

1454
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 4: be thinking, thank god, if we lose this if Trump

1455
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: does not win this election, I mean, god knows how

1456
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 4: he wouldn't. But if he didn't, he will come back

1457
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 4: again in another four years. They will never get rid

1458
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 4: of him. They've got another four years of him doing

1459
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 4: what he's doing inside of the republics.

1460
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that at least this is

1461
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: the last four years.

1462
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 4: Wouldn't see and what we know what Trump is, nothing

1463
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 4: will really happen. I mean, nothing happened last time.

1464
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: That's because of the organization, that's because of the United States,

1465
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: It's because of the founding fathers. Just it's such a

1466
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: big ship.

1467
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 4: There's not too much there's not too much power. I

1468
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 4: mean president has veto powerbously and a lot of power controlling.

1469
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: And listen, Joe Caen's been able to run that kind

1470
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: tree for the last four years than god, anyone could, literally,

1471
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: anyone could.

1472
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Speaker 1: Just I thought Trump's point he made in is Really

1473
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: the next day was actually quite right. He said, I

1474
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: think they trained Joe practiced too much. He studied too much.

1475
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: He's got They put too much things and is too

1476
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: many things in obviously no auto que, no voice. Well,

1477
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: I think he would have been better if you had

1478
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: done if Joe Biden had done nothing and just let

1479
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: his stream of consciousness flow without trying to actually put

1480
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: some facts in there. And so you're assuming he has

1481
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: a stream of consciousness. Is it possible for him not

1482
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: to do the debate? Yes, yeah, but he had to

1483
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: because he had to. Quite yes, technically, there is no

1484
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: reason why you have to do a debate. But the

1485
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: reason he was put forward is to quell suspicions and

1486
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: arguments that he was too senile.

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Speaker 1: And do you think it's possible to replace them? Because

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01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: I think that puts themselves in a really interesting position,

1489
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: the Democrats, because a he's still got to be the

1490
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: president till November. So if you say he's stepping down

1491
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: because he's not in a good state, does he also

1492
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: have to step down from being present until November. Well

1493
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: you would hope that he would make that call, but

1494
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: but you don't. Karmela, there's a problem. Karmela is the unpopular.

1495
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: She's unpopular.

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01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 4: I'm stepping down not because I'm completely just because I

1497
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 4: feel like it.

1498
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: I want to sell hit down. He doesn't have to

1499
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: step down. He just has to say I'm not going

1500
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: to run again. Yeah, exactly, I won't run again.

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: You go, I'm not going to run again because I

1502
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: think it's become an issue what I'm saying.

1503
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: But I'm but I'm good.

1504
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm just going to concentrate really hard on running the

1505
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: country between now, yeah, yeah, November.

1506
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 4: The weird thing is who would do it? Even who's

1507
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: going to step in a because they are hiding to

1508
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 4: nothing and once they.

1509
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: Have one, necessarily they're not necessarily. I mean, there is

1510
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: the school of thought that things you could you could

1511
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: stand a chimp next to Trump and the chimp would win,

1512
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: And if you think about it, I mean, it's pretty

1513
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: level pegging at the moment. That's what I mean. It's

1514
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: a country full of people desperate for someone they actually

1515
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: want to vote for. Well, yeah, so you could start

1516
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: it's it's any life, I mean to get in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Biden's ten percent behind, you know, people on the ticket,

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Speaker 1: you know in states, you know, so there's there's a

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01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: bunch of states where they just don't want Biden, you know,

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Speaker 1: and so you flip them up to that slimy guy.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Usen from from.

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Speaker 1: California, awful, awful slimy guy and people commentators are arguing

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Speaker 1: that he is the most obvious choice and awful guy.

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Speaker 1: Awful guy he had come in, but he looks like

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Speaker 1: a president. He does, so he actually comes across very president.

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: He could actually stand there and people could go.

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Speaker 2: Well, he kind of looks like a president. I could

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Speaker 2: probably vote for that. At least he looks like one,

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, whereas Biden looks like a cadovera did you

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01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 2: see at the beginning when he walked in is a

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01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: horrible thing to smile at. But he does that thing

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: where he points where he's been told he has to

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01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: go like it's a person. And so when you see

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01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: the beginning of the debate, he walks onto the stage

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01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: like a stunt mullet and then all of a sudden,

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01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 2: with a slight smile, points at the podium that he's

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01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: got to go work it out. And there's this like

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01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 2: this comfort that he has. That's where I'm walking. That's

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: probably approximately third steps he went. Speaking of steps, tragic.

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Speaker 1: No one has struggled with two steps like he did,

1541
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: like at the end when he went over to shake

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01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: the hands of the.

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Speaker 2: Moderator of Jill having to help him down the little

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: that was I think all.

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Speaker 4: The botox and fillers is helping him either, because he

1546
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 4: just has no movement in his face at all, and

1547
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 4: they've gone crazy on that to make him look younger.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in this instance, I don't know whether we

1549
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 2: can blame, but whether there's anything in their inspiring movement

1550
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: or not, I don't know. But even not good, even.

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: On a basic level, Trump at least knew to look

1552
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: the way that Biden was on the camera.

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01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so no, you're right that rather looking off,

1554
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 2: I think with Biden, it's more, you know, I've I've

1555
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 2: made the effort to turn my head in this direction

1556
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: and I am I'm not going to turn around for anything.

1557
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: But you know, there was actual empathy at times in

1558
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: Trump's face. Yeah, and that comes back to what you

1559
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 2: were saying. I think, Jerry, I think maybe this did

1560
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: come to him at the at the time as a

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: sort of.

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Speaker 4: Because I reckon, You're right. I don't think he I

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 4: don't think he takes advice from people. I mean he was,

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 4: but I don't he does what he wants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, well, Paul.

1565
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 2: Coming great love on you traders to do I just

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01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: walk out with you're still on. Yeah, I probably do

1567
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: because I walked in while you're on. Yeah, that's quite.

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01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: We're just developing this new technique. So you know, would

1569
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: we call it a technique? Would we over salent that much?

1570
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: It's going to be known as the Wells Heath podcasting techniques.

1571
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 2: But we also say goodbye, like off.

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Speaker 3: My thanks yeah mate, see chair, thanks all right?

1573
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're taking picture as well. We are, we're going.

1574
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: Are yeah, well.

1575
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 2: So here.

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01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So we wrote that out of tin for

1577
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 4: you for yourself, your own performance.

1578
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: Mm hm three. I think that's not fair. Yeah, but

1579
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm kind of down on yourself. I just wanted to

1580
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: go down on myself at the end of the pot.

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I give the whole thing a five and

1582
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 4: a half wide rangeing jet. Yeah, I'll give it a

1583
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 4: five and a half.

1584
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what a professional land bring it back to

1585
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: his bloody show to advertise it. I got, actually, I

1586
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: got absolutely ripped a new one by South Pacific Pictures

1587
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: last time because when we head him on to talk

1588
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: about Traders one and for a joke, I pretended I

1589
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: wasn't on it, that's right, And so I got a

1590
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 1: communicate that said that was an absolute disaster.

1591
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: Why were you doing that?

1592
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: And I said, for a gag, okay, well, Okay, so

1593
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: I thought this time, you know, I'll make up for

1594
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 1: that because I were my friends, these people that that

1595
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: the producers of that show, and I realized that my

1596
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: little gag was not nice.

1597
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I realize that. Do you know we're being

1598
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: over seventy minutes? Seventy Is that like an all time record?

1599
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: That might be our longest daily bespoke. It didn't seem

1600
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: to be mini gaps in it.

1601
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: No.

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01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 4: The weirdest thing is I normally don't last more than

1603
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 4: seventy minutes without going wheeze.

1604
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

1605
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 4: Just I've got a way. That's just it's possibly going

1606
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 4: to explode out of me. Were you listening to it, Mash, Yeah,

1607
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 4: I was out there.

1608
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 2: It's good. Ye was all right? Would you give it

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01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: a five? Yeah, I'll give it a five. Yeah. He's

1610
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: not for you, Paul. I respect him a hell of

1611
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: a lot. I'll say that, really.

1612
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not going to help you there by

1613
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 4: by criticizing yours.

1614
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 5: No, that's a good point.

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: You know.

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01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 5: I'm happy for anyone to criticize me.

1617
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: That's no problem. Don't mind that. I'll tell you what.

1618
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: I'll give you the I will never just what would

1619
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: you say, I respect to my know before that, I

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01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: don't mind if people criticize me. No, I will never

1621
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: criticize you. Mesh. Oh you're welcome to I've never had

1622
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 2: and I never will. Oh. Thanks, that's nice. I will

1623
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: criticize you if I feel like I need to. I

1624
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: know you will.

1625
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we'd love to hear from you and the

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01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,480
Speaker 1: Daily Bespoke that the Conclave of the Met and Jerry podcast.

1627
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: What is it?

1628
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a Biden moment?

1629
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, alright there, all right, okay there, all right then, alright,

1630
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: you seem to have been the longest podcast of all time. Alright,

1631
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan up on this bitch, all right, see it