1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:14,587 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. The All Blacks winner by thirteen 3 00:00:14,627 --> 00:00:15,667 Speaker 1: at Soldier Field. 4 00:00:15,867 --> 00:00:18,867 Speaker 2: Yes, they do three straight test wins over Ireland for 5 00:00:18,907 --> 00:00:22,427 Speaker 2: the first time since twenty thirteen. Let's get you to Chicago. 6 00:00:22,827 --> 00:00:25,987 Speaker 2: All Black's assistant coach, Jason Holland is standing by. Jason, 7 00:00:26,027 --> 00:00:28,267 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking our call. How pleasing to start the 8 00:00:28,307 --> 00:00:33,827 Speaker 2: Grand Slam Tour with victory over Ireland in Chicago afternoon pointy. 9 00:00:33,987 --> 00:00:36,187 Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously delighted with the result. 10 00:00:37,387 --> 00:00:39,547 Speaker 4: You know, it's been a pretty pretty awesome occasion here 11 00:00:39,587 --> 00:00:42,467 Speaker 4: in Chicago. And to get the results and to you know, 12 00:00:42,547 --> 00:00:44,267 Speaker 4: get our game going in the last half an hour 13 00:00:44,307 --> 00:00:46,387 Speaker 4: was really satisfying. So it's good to get over the line. 14 00:00:46,707 --> 00:00:49,187 Speaker 2: What were the things that worked so well in the 15 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:51,427 Speaker 2: last well, let's say, the last twenty minutes, from the 16 00:00:51,427 --> 00:00:53,667 Speaker 2: time that Tomighty Williams scored that try till the end 17 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:55,867 Speaker 2: of the game where you were still looking to score 18 00:00:56,027 --> 00:00:58,747 Speaker 2: another one after the whistle. What did you see that 19 00:00:58,867 --> 00:01:01,667 Speaker 2: was so effective and so impressive in that last twenty minutes. 20 00:01:02,867 --> 00:01:05,107 Speaker 4: Oh, I think the stuff that was missing in the 21 00:01:05,107 --> 00:01:07,627 Speaker 4: first half, you know, around our skill sets, really just 22 00:01:07,667 --> 00:01:08,227 Speaker 4: simple things. 23 00:01:08,227 --> 00:01:09,107 Speaker 3: Your simple parts of. 24 00:01:09,067 --> 00:01:11,507 Speaker 4: The game are and carry and and you know some 25 00:01:11,587 --> 00:01:13,747 Speaker 4: of our skills around catch pass. You know, we turned 26 00:01:13,747 --> 00:01:15,507 Speaker 4: the ball over in that first half a lot, and 27 00:01:15,707 --> 00:01:17,747 Speaker 4: we're able to build pressure and the game was slow 28 00:01:17,827 --> 00:01:20,627 Speaker 4: because of it. And then the last half an hour 29 00:01:20,707 --> 00:01:24,107 Speaker 4: we packed ourselves and pulled trigger and then you know, 30 00:01:24,347 --> 00:01:27,467 Speaker 4: nailed all our little catch pass stuff. So you know, 31 00:01:27,507 --> 00:01:29,107 Speaker 4: whenever you hold onto the ball, you're know put teams 32 00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:31,107 Speaker 4: under pressure. I think we've talked about it before, pointing 33 00:01:31,147 --> 00:01:33,587 Speaker 4: when we have or haven't done it. So you know, 34 00:01:33,627 --> 00:01:36,187 Speaker 4: some really encouraging signs there and the attack and that 35 00:01:36,267 --> 00:01:36,947 Speaker 4: last half an hour. 36 00:01:37,347 --> 00:01:39,387 Speaker 2: Do you make these points to the players at halftime 37 00:01:39,547 --> 00:01:41,587 Speaker 2: or are they well aware of what they need to do? 38 00:01:42,867 --> 00:01:45,827 Speaker 4: Oh if we need to you talk around skill sets 39 00:01:45,867 --> 00:01:49,587 Speaker 4: are in our concentration levels, but the mainly around you know, 40 00:01:49,747 --> 00:01:52,627 Speaker 4: instilling confidence to play and to keep playing, and and 41 00:01:52,707 --> 00:01:54,827 Speaker 4: to nail little things like you know, we're a little 42 00:01:54,867 --> 00:01:57,467 Speaker 4: bit flat on the edges and and us giving a 43 00:01:57,507 --> 00:01:59,907 Speaker 4: little simple message around holding our feet a little bit then. 44 00:01:59,747 --> 00:02:02,267 Speaker 3: Helped skill sets. So boys are all over it. 45 00:02:02,307 --> 00:02:04,387 Speaker 4: Boys know know a lot of the things that they 46 00:02:04,427 --> 00:02:07,187 Speaker 4: need to do to adjust and as I say that 47 00:02:07,347 --> 00:02:09,147 Speaker 4: it really well in the second half. 48 00:02:09,347 --> 00:02:12,507 Speaker 2: Ireland are very good as the six nation sides typically 49 00:02:12,587 --> 00:02:15,387 Speaker 2: are at squeezing, applying pressure sort of you know, trucking 50 00:02:15,427 --> 00:02:16,867 Speaker 2: it up, going up the guts, that sort of thing. 51 00:02:17,307 --> 00:02:19,787 Speaker 2: What is the best way to combat that without falling 52 00:02:19,787 --> 00:02:21,907 Speaker 2: into in discipline and frustration. 53 00:02:23,307 --> 00:02:26,907 Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, they also rely heavily on that contestable kicking game, 54 00:02:26,947 --> 00:02:29,547 Speaker 4: don't they, And you know that it was a good 55 00:02:29,547 --> 00:02:30,987 Speaker 4: battle in the air, and they want a few and 56 00:02:31,027 --> 00:02:33,067 Speaker 4: we want a few. But I think you've got to 57 00:02:33,107 --> 00:02:35,507 Speaker 4: make sure you don't give them those opportunities to win 58 00:02:35,627 --> 00:02:38,627 Speaker 4: back their own kicks and play against unstructured defense. But 59 00:02:39,627 --> 00:02:41,267 Speaker 4: you've got to back yourself. You've got to back yourself 60 00:02:41,267 --> 00:02:43,267 Speaker 4: to hold onto the ball and make them make tackles, 61 00:02:43,987 --> 00:02:46,627 Speaker 4: make them infringe, and then you can play and we 62 00:02:46,707 --> 00:02:50,227 Speaker 4: find space after multiple phases. So just a bit of 63 00:02:50,227 --> 00:02:52,947 Speaker 4: confidence and a bit of making sure that concentrate on 64 00:02:52,987 --> 00:02:54,507 Speaker 4: what we want the all Blecks to do well around 65 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:55,387 Speaker 4: our basic skills. 66 00:02:55,867 --> 00:02:57,627 Speaker 2: Did you feel as though you were starting to get 67 00:02:57,667 --> 00:03:00,427 Speaker 2: the upper hand when they stopped sort of that route? 68 00:03:00,427 --> 00:03:02,667 Speaker 2: One staff tried to be a bit more creative, tried 69 00:03:02,707 --> 00:03:04,747 Speaker 2: to be a bit more expansive. Do you feel like 70 00:03:04,787 --> 00:03:08,507 Speaker 2: you're winning that battle when that happened, Yeah, I think. 71 00:03:08,347 --> 00:03:09,187 Speaker 3: We're getting the balance. 72 00:03:09,227 --> 00:03:11,547 Speaker 4: Well, you know, we had some you know with some 73 00:03:11,627 --> 00:03:13,827 Speaker 4: guys who carried the ball and got him behind really 74 00:03:13,867 --> 00:03:16,427 Speaker 4: well tonight obviously you know, like obviously you know in 75 00:03:16,427 --> 00:03:18,587 Speaker 4: the midfield, you know, Quinn and Lester got us going 76 00:03:18,587 --> 00:03:21,467 Speaker 4: forward a lot of the time, and Caleb and then 77 00:03:21,507 --> 00:03:23,907 Speaker 4: our Lucy's and carried really well, which meant that you 78 00:03:23,947 --> 00:03:26,387 Speaker 4: can go wide. So we're just got to keep in 79 00:03:26,467 --> 00:03:28,987 Speaker 4: stilling the confidence to back ourselves and hold onto the 80 00:03:29,027 --> 00:03:31,587 Speaker 4: ball and you can see what we can do when 81 00:03:31,627 --> 00:03:33,867 Speaker 4: we're do and so that's just a bit of balance. Pinty, 82 00:03:33,907 --> 00:03:36,227 Speaker 4: I reckon, but I think you can't take away from 83 00:03:36,227 --> 00:03:38,667 Speaker 4: the point that you get strong carriers which gets you 84 00:03:38,747 --> 00:03:40,547 Speaker 4: over again on that extra half a meter makes a 85 00:03:40,547 --> 00:03:42,147 Speaker 4: big difference to be able to then get to edges. 86 00:03:42,907 --> 00:03:45,267 Speaker 2: Can you update us at all on on the injuries 87 00:03:45,267 --> 00:03:46,787 Speaker 2: to Scott and Jordi? 88 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:53,027 Speaker 4: Barrett haven't had anything on Jordy. He's he's wandering around 89 00:03:53,027 --> 00:03:56,707 Speaker 4: but obviously no more tomorrow. But he Scott got a 90 00:03:56,747 --> 00:03:58,427 Speaker 4: really nasty cut. I'm sure how he got it, but 91 00:03:58,507 --> 00:04:00,187 Speaker 4: it's a really nasty cut with a big flip on 92 00:04:00,187 --> 00:04:03,347 Speaker 4: it on his knee. But I would think that there'll 93 00:04:03,387 --> 00:04:05,267 Speaker 4: be a good few stitches and that they'll probably either 94 00:04:05,307 --> 00:04:07,707 Speaker 4: get bandaged up or or come out before next Saturday. 95 00:04:08,947 --> 00:04:11,427 Speaker 2: The team that finished the game, if you look at 96 00:04:11,547 --> 00:04:13,107 Speaker 2: caps wise, I know these guys have played a lot 97 00:04:13,147 --> 00:04:14,627 Speaker 2: of rugby, but there were quite a few young guys 98 00:04:14,667 --> 00:04:16,187 Speaker 2: out there, guys who haven't played a heck of a 99 00:04:16,187 --> 00:04:19,587 Speaker 2: lot of rugby. For the All Blacks. How impressed are 100 00:04:19,627 --> 00:04:21,347 Speaker 2: you that they were able to, you know, in that 101 00:04:21,427 --> 00:04:23,867 Speaker 2: last twenty minutes do what needed to be done and 102 00:04:23,867 --> 00:04:26,747 Speaker 2: and you know, and take on that responsibility that that 103 00:04:26,827 --> 00:04:30,547 Speaker 2: perhaps they haven't had the experience to do up until now. 104 00:04:31,667 --> 00:04:34,187 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good observation. Especially in the Ford's a. There 105 00:04:34,267 --> 00:04:36,947 Speaker 4: was a hell of a lot of you know, guys 106 00:04:37,027 --> 00:04:38,667 Speaker 4: with low caps in there. You know, you look at 107 00:04:38,907 --> 00:04:41,627 Speaker 4: fabes obviously who's who's been in and around for the 108 00:04:41,707 --> 00:04:44,147 Speaker 4: last for the last little bit. But Lordie coming in 109 00:04:45,107 --> 00:04:47,667 Speaker 4: I was outstanding. I thought when when Scoot went off, 110 00:04:48,467 --> 00:04:49,867 Speaker 4: and then you look at the looses, you know with 111 00:04:49,947 --> 00:04:52,227 Speaker 4: Simon and then you bring on Wally and you got 112 00:04:52,347 --> 00:04:55,747 Speaker 4: Wally and Pete and and ards here. So yeah, the 113 00:04:55,787 --> 00:04:58,347 Speaker 4: combination of of all the youngster's given lots of energy 114 00:04:58,347 --> 00:05:01,787 Speaker 4: and the ards is in the and the Cody's given 115 00:05:01,787 --> 00:05:04,427 Speaker 4: it a bit of balance has been awesome. So yeh know, 116 00:05:04,467 --> 00:05:06,107 Speaker 4: we we did acknowledge that in the box around the 117 00:05:06,147 --> 00:05:08,667 Speaker 4: young the youngsters in that forwardback especially. 118 00:05:09,107 --> 00:05:11,667 Speaker 2: There seems to be a bit of a routine where 119 00:05:11,707 --> 00:05:14,187 Speaker 2: a halfback might play an hour sixty five minutes and 120 00:05:14,187 --> 00:05:17,227 Speaker 2: then has replaced. I know, you know, you keep eyes 121 00:05:17,267 --> 00:05:19,987 Speaker 2: on GPS numbers and things like that, but Cam Rogad 122 00:05:19,987 --> 00:05:22,747 Speaker 2: stayed on to what the seventy seven seventy eighth minute 123 00:05:22,987 --> 00:05:25,787 Speaker 2: is that deliberate chase? Is it deliberate that you look 124 00:05:25,827 --> 00:05:28,307 Speaker 2: at a guy like Cam who continues to impact the 125 00:05:28,347 --> 00:05:30,347 Speaker 2: game deep and say, we just don't want to take 126 00:05:30,387 --> 00:05:30,947 Speaker 2: this bloke off. 127 00:05:32,347 --> 00:05:33,907 Speaker 3: Ah yep, I think that that's right. 128 00:05:33,947 --> 00:05:37,027 Speaker 4: He's obviously we've got full full confidence and tests to 129 00:05:37,067 --> 00:05:40,187 Speaker 4: come on. But Cam's is going so good you leave mine, 130 00:05:40,227 --> 00:05:43,467 Speaker 4: Like I think the game decide, you know, helps you 131 00:05:43,547 --> 00:05:44,387 Speaker 4: make those decisions. 132 00:05:44,387 --> 00:05:45,947 Speaker 3: The first half we felt was really slow. 133 00:05:46,027 --> 00:05:48,187 Speaker 4: It wasn't how we wanted to play, and with all 134 00:05:48,227 --> 00:05:49,987 Speaker 4: the all the stuff that was going on with the 135 00:05:50,027 --> 00:05:51,987 Speaker 4: TMO and the big screen, and that the game was 136 00:05:51,987 --> 00:05:54,587 Speaker 4: a real stop start, slow game. The boys in the 137 00:05:54,627 --> 00:05:57,267 Speaker 4: shed at half time were, you know, they're hardly blowing. 138 00:05:57,387 --> 00:06:00,027 Speaker 4: So that sort of helps you to if we see 139 00:06:00,067 --> 00:06:02,427 Speaker 4: any signs that Cam's slowing down, not getting to rucks quickly, 140 00:06:02,507 --> 00:06:05,307 Speaker 4: or suddenly make a couple of errors, that might trigger 141 00:06:05,387 --> 00:06:06,027 Speaker 4: some decisions. 142 00:06:06,027 --> 00:06:08,907 Speaker 3: But I think he was still going pretty strong the 143 00:06:08,907 --> 00:06:09,507 Speaker 3: whole way through. 144 00:06:10,427 --> 00:06:12,427 Speaker 2: What was your view on the yellow card to Tiger 145 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:14,507 Speaker 2: burn that was then upgraded to a to a red. 146 00:06:16,587 --> 00:06:17,507 Speaker 3: It's the rules, you know. 147 00:06:19,227 --> 00:06:20,587 Speaker 4: I haven't had a really good look at it, but 148 00:06:20,707 --> 00:06:23,107 Speaker 4: just with a quick look, it looked like if you 149 00:06:23,107 --> 00:06:24,947 Speaker 4: don't lower your body height and you get get the 150 00:06:24,987 --> 00:06:26,147 Speaker 4: head contact, you're in danger. 151 00:06:26,187 --> 00:06:27,547 Speaker 3: And so you just got to avoid that, you know. 152 00:06:27,587 --> 00:06:30,027 Speaker 4: And I think just looked like he was really upright, 153 00:06:30,067 --> 00:06:32,307 Speaker 4: which is which is what you need to avoid these days. 154 00:06:32,347 --> 00:06:36,307 Speaker 4: So obviously not a not a massive injury or anything, 155 00:06:36,347 --> 00:06:37,947 Speaker 4: but it's just just the way where the rules are 156 00:06:37,987 --> 00:06:38,507 Speaker 4: out at the moment. 157 00:06:38,547 --> 00:06:38,947 Speaker 3: I think. 158 00:06:39,427 --> 00:06:41,787 Speaker 2: So in a defensive line like that, so your your 159 00:06:41,827 --> 00:06:44,867 Speaker 2: instruction to your guys defensively as to what is to 160 00:06:44,947 --> 00:06:48,227 Speaker 2: crouch basically is to is to lower your height even 161 00:06:48,307 --> 00:06:51,507 Speaker 2: before the attacking move begins from the other side. 162 00:06:52,427 --> 00:06:54,627 Speaker 4: Well not probably not that early as a skill to 163 00:06:54,627 --> 00:06:57,547 Speaker 4: be able to come forward and you know that have 164 00:06:57,587 --> 00:06:59,027 Speaker 4: really good feet to be able to lower your body 165 00:06:59,067 --> 00:07:00,947 Speaker 4: height quickly. That's the skill you need to teach and 166 00:07:01,027 --> 00:07:03,707 Speaker 4: need to learn, or in the ability to get your 167 00:07:03,707 --> 00:07:06,507 Speaker 4: feet under you and have that ability to drop your height. 168 00:07:06,387 --> 00:07:08,467 Speaker 3: Get a shoulder on as quick as possible. 169 00:07:08,507 --> 00:07:11,027 Speaker 4: And sometimes it's difficult, you don't know who's going to 170 00:07:11,027 --> 00:07:14,027 Speaker 4: get the ball, but yeah, there's the skill of it. 171 00:07:13,907 --> 00:07:16,387 Speaker 3: And you you just can't, can't risk it these days? 172 00:07:16,867 --> 00:07:18,947 Speaker 2: How important to get away to win on this Grand 173 00:07:18,947 --> 00:07:21,347 Speaker 2: Slam Tour, Jase, I mean, we're you know, I'm sure 174 00:07:21,387 --> 00:07:24,547 Speaker 2: you're you're deeply committed to four wins from these four games. 175 00:07:24,827 --> 00:07:27,347 Speaker 2: You've got one out of the way against potentially your 176 00:07:27,347 --> 00:07:30,507 Speaker 2: toughest opayment. Although England look pretty good against Australia this morning. 177 00:07:30,547 --> 00:07:32,147 Speaker 2: Not sure you've seen that game. But how important was 178 00:07:32,147 --> 00:07:34,427 Speaker 2: it to get away with a win like this to 179 00:07:34,467 --> 00:07:35,787 Speaker 2: get things kickstarted? 180 00:07:36,987 --> 00:07:37,227 Speaker 3: Yeah? 181 00:07:37,307 --> 00:07:39,787 Speaker 4: Obviously really important when you first came out away in 182 00:07:39,867 --> 00:07:42,867 Speaker 4: the tour. You know, I think the reality is every 183 00:07:42,947 --> 00:07:45,627 Speaker 4: every single Test match is important as the others. 184 00:07:45,667 --> 00:07:46,947 Speaker 3: And but you know, as you. 185 00:07:46,907 --> 00:07:51,307 Speaker 4: Say, coming to Chicago, the Irish, with the history between 186 00:07:51,347 --> 00:07:53,907 Speaker 4: the All Blacks and the Irish, it's it's huge. 187 00:07:53,987 --> 00:07:55,667 Speaker 3: So we're allowed to get the win. 188 00:07:55,787 --> 00:07:58,227 Speaker 4: But I'm not sure how much of Scotland you've been 189 00:07:58,227 --> 00:08:01,747 Speaker 4: watching lately, but both Scotland and England can't pretty good, 190 00:08:01,827 --> 00:08:04,027 Speaker 4: so we're going to have to keep getting better. 191 00:08:05,507 --> 00:08:06,547 Speaker 2: Why are you leaving? 192 00:08:08,987 --> 00:08:11,467 Speaker 4: Look, mate, I'm just it's just time for something new 193 00:08:11,507 --> 00:08:13,227 Speaker 4: at the moment. But I'm sort of got to the 194 00:08:13,227 --> 00:08:13,787 Speaker 4: space now. 195 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:14,187 Speaker 3: We're on. 196 00:08:16,587 --> 00:08:18,827 Speaker 4: Loving, loving the prospect of the next three or four 197 00:08:18,867 --> 00:08:21,827 Speaker 4: weeks and we've had a really good week and yeah, 198 00:08:21,827 --> 00:08:23,467 Speaker 4: we'll see what We'll see what happens at the end 199 00:08:23,507 --> 00:08:24,547 Speaker 4: of at the end of the tour. 200 00:08:25,787 --> 00:08:29,747 Speaker 2: So you so in saying that, so you you have 201 00:08:30,627 --> 00:08:32,067 Speaker 2: are you willing to walk it back? 202 00:08:33,787 --> 00:08:35,387 Speaker 3: What's that? Sorry? How do you mean by that, Bunny? 203 00:08:36,067 --> 00:08:38,627 Speaker 2: I mean the decision to leave? Can you walk Can 204 00:08:38,667 --> 00:08:40,747 Speaker 2: you walk back the decision if the next three weeks go. 205 00:08:41,507 --> 00:08:44,747 Speaker 4: No, no, no no, no, no no no no. We've 206 00:08:44,947 --> 00:08:47,347 Speaker 4: we've had chats of myself and Ray had chats along 207 00:08:47,347 --> 00:08:51,267 Speaker 4: the way, and anyhow, I've just decided that it's yeah, 208 00:08:51,307 --> 00:08:53,787 Speaker 4: we'll go in a different direction. But we'll see what 209 00:08:53,787 --> 00:08:56,347 Speaker 4: eaveans are. We'll get through the next three weeks. Well 210 00:08:56,387 --> 00:08:58,827 Speaker 4: now that the keep this Green Slam. 211 00:08:59,507 --> 00:09:01,507 Speaker 2: One down, three to go, Jase, thanks for joining us, mate, 212 00:09:01,507 --> 00:09:04,707 Speaker 2: Always appreciate your time. All right, mate, see you later, 213 00:09:04,987 --> 00:09:07,867 Speaker 2: all the best, Bye bye, Jason Holland, Assistant coach of 214 00:09:07,907 --> 00:09:08,467 Speaker 2: the All Blacks. 215 00:09:08,467 --> 00:09:12,227 Speaker 1: There for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen 216 00:09:12,347 --> 00:09:15,547 Speaker 1: live to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or 217 00:09:15,627 --> 00:09:17,587 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.