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Speaker 3: Look and it's time for our panel and in no
Speaker 3: particular order. The age before beauty is slightly not as
Speaker 3: obvious as it is for other panels, so the best
Speaker 3: way to put it, it is definitely if we were
Speaker 3: on TV right now, you'd be like, look at those
Speaker 3: silver foxes, and the word is distinguished, I think is
Speaker 3: the word. And we have distinguished professor of well these
Speaker 3: all sorts of things really, but it's Paul Spoonley, get.
Speaker 2: It, Paul, Hen you go, Jim, I'm good, good, good good.
Speaker 2: Remind us what you were distinguished at such a leading question,
Speaker 2: isn't it?
Speaker 4: The boys call me the undistinguished. It's a reflection of
Speaker 4: your international standing.
Speaker 2: Excellent.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of which I'm going to apply the same
Speaker 3: description to my next guest. He's no stranger to people
Speaker 3: who follow media, and he's been a wonderful journalist and
Speaker 3: current affairs journalist and among other things, as well as
Speaker 3: a digger driver. And we went into how he started life.
Speaker 3: But he was very busy man doing all sorts of things.
Speaker 3: It's Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I prefer to think of myself as extinguished. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm triving. Can I just point out that I was
Speaker 2: a pupil of Paul's back in nineteen eighty? Is that
Speaker 2: your way eighteen of resulting eighty? Is that your way
Speaker 2: of resolving the age?
Speaker 5: I could have been an adult student, couldn't I And
Speaker 5: he could have been a student tutor.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was way back in China.
Speaker 6: See child genius.
Speaker 5: Yeah you but yeah, absolutely brilliant New Zealand.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great cupe to have them. What
Speaker 2: were you studying? No idea that sociology? Sociology? Okay, well
Speaker 2: that's a relief that he could Yeah. There, you've done
Speaker 2: your job.
Speaker 3: He'd spent some time in your tutelage, and he does
Speaker 3: know the subject, yes, literally just what the subject was.
Speaker 6: I might not ask any fair the questions.
Speaker 2: No, yes, I don't have any letters after my name anyway.
Speaker 3: Hey, by now, look it's worth mentioning. Not that sounds
Speaker 3: like such a trivial way to mention it, but of
Speaker 3: course today is actually it's probably I actually know how
Speaker 3: long I've known you, Mark, because I met you on
Speaker 3: the twenty second of February, which was when the christ
Speaker 3: Church earthquake was going off, wasn't it? And six point
Speaker 3: three magnitude earthquake. It's fourteen years ago, one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty five lives. We know what the destruction was. It
Speaker 3: was a horrendous event, and I mean there's still we're
Speaker 3: doing some rebuilding.
Speaker 2: Although christ Church has got some really.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's some great things about what they've done
Speaker 3: with the rebuild, but gosh, it's don't fix these things
Speaker 3: over night.
Speaker 2: I think it's that thing.
Speaker 5: As journalists, you parachute into places when these big things happen,
Speaker 5: and you hit it really hard. I did the a
Speaker 5: lot when I was euro correspondent for TVNZ. You go
Speaker 5: to places where a disaster is happening. Then you'd leave,
Speaker 5: but you don't realize for the people are left behind.
Speaker 5: There is years and years and years of rebuilding. And
Speaker 5: it's not just rebuilding buildings, it's rebuilding people, communities and
Speaker 5: communities and all those sorts of things that come along.
Speaker 5: And I remember going back to christ Church over the
Speaker 5: years and oh my god, they went through a lot.
Speaker 5: And don't forget they also went through years and years
Speaker 5: and years of aftershocks. So straight away in your mind
Speaker 5: you're thinking, oh my god, where are the people I love?
Speaker 5: You know, are they safe? Am I going to be safe?
Speaker 5: So that's jolt, you know, literally being jolted back in.
Speaker 5: But I was talking to someone this morning at my
Speaker 5: daughter's cricket game and he'd just been down to christ
Speaker 5: Church at a convention. He said, the convention hall down
Speaker 5: there is just beautiful. He said, there's a royal spirit
Speaker 5: of the rebuild that they're creating a beautiful city center
Speaker 5: with the stadium coming up and people come.
Speaker 3: Up, the court, theaters taking shape as well, and the
Speaker 3: and the taka the stadium.
Speaker 2: Is it one of those events you remember where you
Speaker 2: were when it happened?
Speaker 4: Paul, Absolutely, we were in Wellington. It was a beautiful
Speaker 4: dan Wellington and these stories started to come through and
Speaker 4: we had people from christ Church in Wellington and it
Speaker 4: was surreal. It's a bit like you know when the
Speaker 4: white Waheni sank and some you're too young, you're too
Speaker 4: young to but when the Waheni sank and the weather's beautiful,
Speaker 4: what's happening? And I mean, I just feel for christ Church.
Speaker 4: I mean what we've got to acknowledge is what Marx
Speaker 4: talked about. But of course twenty nineteen, I mean it
Speaker 4: didn't end really taken the hits.
Speaker 2: And that was another one. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yes, So let's let's remember all of those people who've
Speaker 4: worked so hard to rebuild and those who were injured
Speaker 4: and hurt and.
Speaker 2: Care one.
Speaker 3: Well, of course there's another part of the world which
Speaker 3: is really feeling like this that I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: they feel it. Hope is dwelling, but they're under the
Speaker 3: They're in a troublesome spot, given that it seems that
Speaker 3: the support of the USA seems to be evaporating, with
Speaker 3: stants that Trump has taken towards Ukraine. I'll hold my
Speaker 3: fire on this one and throw it over you to Paul.
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to the way things have gone with
Speaker 3: the US and Ukraine and Trump.
Speaker 4: I think it's extraordinary. The economist has said that it's
Speaker 4: head spinning, and I think it's a reordering of what's
Speaker 4: happening in terms of international relations. I just cannot believe it.
Speaker 4: So the Ukraine has been portrayed. I use that word deliberately.
Speaker 4: I think Putin is being rehabilitated. And if you think
Speaker 4: back to some of the events in the Cold War,
Speaker 4: and you think we wouldn't have stood aside and let
Speaker 4: what's happening in Czechoslovak or wherever taking place and not respond,
Speaker 4: So I think it's a huge geopolitical shift. I worry
Speaker 4: about the morality. I worry about the moral compass of
Speaker 4: the people that are involved, and I worry what's going
Speaker 4: to happen to the world.
Speaker 2: As a result enablement. I guess Mark's what's your response
Speaker 2: to the last week you're saying especially, I mean Trump
Speaker 2: callings is the lenscap dictator and he started the war.
Speaker 2: I mean he's senile, isn't he.
Speaker 5: It's just well, no, I you know, he just he
Speaker 5: talks a lot, and I don't know if he understands
Speaker 5: what is if his words, how much impact his words have.
Speaker 5: I think it's a very very dangerous time in the
Speaker 5: world at the moment. He's an emboldened putin, who is essentially,
Speaker 5: if you're talking about a dictator and someone who hasn't
Speaker 5: had a free and fair election to get into that role,
Speaker 5: there's one right sitting right in front of you. But
Speaker 5: I think it's going to embold in other countries. I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about what's happening in the Tasman at the moment,
Speaker 5: with China having those quite aggressive military or naval maneuvers,
Speaker 5: you know, one hundred and fifty two kilometers off the
Speaker 5: coast of Sydney, and I think they're just everybody's just
Speaker 5: feeling we can do whatever we want. I heard Trump
Speaker 5: describe the other day as a transactional president. So if
Speaker 5: he thinks he can get make some money out of
Speaker 5: rekindling relations with Russia and maybe of sidelining Ukraine, then
Speaker 5: that's what he thinks.
Speaker 2: That's what he's going to do.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I think one of the most appalling headlines I saw
Speaker 3: was the memo that had been presented to Zelensky by
Speaker 3: the States where this was initially I think reported by
Speaker 3: the Telegraph that the reparations they're seeking repayment for the
Speaker 3: American contribution, and the stats were that it's they want
Speaker 3: half of their minerals forever of the Ukraine. It's like
Speaker 3: Putin and Russia have been the proxy for America to
Speaker 3: go on and screw everything they can out of the Ukraine.
Speaker 3: And to put it in context, the article on the
Speaker 3: Telegraph said that as a percentage of GDP, what Trump
Speaker 3: was seeking out of Ukraine was more onerous than the
Speaker 3: Treaty of Versailles was after World.
Speaker 2: War One on World War one Germany and we all
Speaker 2: know what happened after that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that what it is is, it's the punching down.
Speaker 3: It's like, it seems to me that Trump is treating
Speaker 3: Ukraine like an understressed seller in the real estate market.
Speaker 3: Here's someone who's got some weakness, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: screw them. I can't think of someone I can view
Speaker 3: with more contempt than Donald Trump, and he is absolutely
Speaker 3: when I watched him do that present his speaking points
Speaker 3: or something about how Zelensky shouldn't have started the war.
Speaker 2: At how he's a dictator.
Speaker 3: He doesn't he wants to accede to the no NATO
Speaker 3: membership for Ukraine, the withdrawal of US soldiers from Europe,
Speaker 3: and I just sort of thought it was like, I
Speaker 3: have a pro Putin talkback caller on Oh, I know,
Speaker 3: you get a few and it was like he and
Speaker 3: Trump we have had had dinner together before that, before
Speaker 3: that press release, absolutely parroting.
Speaker 2: He is so much Putin's poodle. But it's not funny.
Speaker 2: It's very strong.
Speaker 5: That propaganda is very strong, and it's skillfully distributed, and
Speaker 5: a lot of people fall for it. Basically, But this
Speaker 5: is I think this is a really frightening time. I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people have lost faith in democracy
Speaker 5: and this has given rise to leaders like Trump who
Speaker 5: are disruptors, who feel like they come outside the box.
Speaker 5: You've got Europe's all over the place, in terms of leadership,
Speaker 5: there's no strong person who is standing up there and saying,
Speaker 5: you know, they're trying to get it all together, but
Speaker 5: they're all swimming around. There's no real opposition in America
Speaker 5: to Trump. The Democrats all over the place. The Republicans
Speaker 5: are proven.
Speaker 3: What is it cash Pattel and RFK Junior and Pete
Speaker 3: heck sith none of those senators. I think they've all
Speaker 3: been castrated at some cause. They've certainly got the guys
Speaker 3: have got no balls? Have they pardoned me?
Speaker 4: But let's be honest, Tim, can I go back because
Speaker 4: it's an interesting suggestion that Trump is being played by Putin.
Speaker 2: Well, it gives the impression of it.
Speaker 4: Is, doesn't he I mean, you know, Putin leads a
Speaker 4: renegade state, and here he is, he's being rehabilitated by
Speaker 4: what Trump is doing. Trump is effectively dealing with Russia
Speaker 4: as an equal and ruling out others.
Speaker 6: And it's that.
Speaker 4: That's a reordering of what's happened, what's happened internationally.
Speaker 5: Let's not forget this is how he behaved towards Putin
Speaker 5: in his first term as well. There's always been the
Speaker 5: rumors that Russia have got something over him, and there
Speaker 5: was a suggestion, yeah, let's not go there, but that
Speaker 5: may or may not be true. But there is something
Speaker 5: about him and Putin that turns him into a puppet.
Speaker 5: And the Russians have always had a great term for
Speaker 5: people that they've used like this through the KGB and
Speaker 5: everything like that, and that's useful idiots, useful, useful idiots,
Speaker 5: and that's I'm sorry for all the Trump supporters out there,
Speaker 5: but I think that's exactly what we're seeing playing out
Speaker 5: at the moment.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'll tell you the one this put Let's put
Speaker 2: a positive, positive spin on this. I don't mean a
Speaker 2: positive span.
Speaker 3: Let's find these silver lining in the cloud of Trump's
Speaker 3: rhetoric and you know, and the rhetoric that's been presented
Speaker 3: to the EU and to Europe at some I mean
Speaker 3: it is a wake up call for the EU and
Speaker 3: European countries because they haven't got there.
Speaker 2: They're act sorted out. When it comes to the military.
Speaker 3: They're going to have to upscale quickly. Then again, I mean,
Speaker 3: whether Russia is as big as a threat. I mean,
Speaker 3: look how long they've been at war and they still
Speaker 3: haven't managed to They've conquered twenty percent of Ukrainian territory.
Speaker 3: It's not like they're armed forces are ready to go
Speaker 3: like the Third Reich. So what do you reckon for?
Speaker 4: Well, you see, I don't think European the European politics
Speaker 4: is going in the right direction. And if you look
Speaker 4: at the domestic politics. I've just come back from two
Speaker 4: and a half months in Europe, mostly in Sweden, Swedish politics,
Speaker 4: German politics, you know, Polish, Hungarian politics. They're all riven
Speaker 4: by tribal and very nationalistic and populist politics. So if
Speaker 4: you're thinking that Europe is somehow going to come together
Speaker 4: and be as a cohesive voice, I think you're dreaming.
Speaker 2: I really do know.
Speaker 3: I we probably need to hope that enough of the
Speaker 3: significant countries there can come together.
Speaker 5: Germany, Germany has got an economic elections and elections.
Speaker 2: There is no Angela.
Speaker 5: Merkel type character who was therefore, and Schultz wasn't that guy.
Speaker 5: But also I think in a way they've all got
Speaker 5: they've all got m MP governments, and so they have
Speaker 5: to cobble together coalitions that don't always agree with each other,
Speaker 5: and they're all over the you know, they can be
Speaker 5: all the same. You could say the same thing that's
Speaker 5: happening here at the moment. You know that quite often
Speaker 5: the tail ends up wagging the dog, and if it's
Speaker 5: an extreme right party, they're used to being aggressive and
Speaker 5: saying things that that may be unpalatable. But taking people,
Speaker 5: you think.
Speaker 3: MMP enables slightly more extreme points of view because no
Speaker 3: one's really trying to capture that middle ground.
Speaker 2: And I don't think anything it gets done like you
Speaker 2: used to. That's an interesting one. Mark Kreisl advocates for
Speaker 2: getting rid of m MP. You never said that.
Speaker 5: I think people are losing faith in institutions and democracy, yes,
Speaker 5: and I think that was exacerbated during COVID, But I
Speaker 5: just don't think it's working in terms of giving people
Speaker 5: what they need and what they want.
Speaker 4: And post COVID, we've seen a number of patterns. Win is,
Speaker 4: existing political parties lose elections. Number two, the trust and
Speaker 4: politicians and political systems has gone down big time and
Speaker 4: it's not clear what's going to restore that trust. And Third,
Speaker 4: your information systems, your information systems would feed into understanding
Speaker 4: and political debate are now struggling.
Speaker 2: Trust me, I'm a journalist actually actually well, and it does.
Speaker 3: Seem like awkward like sort of perfect timing that the
Speaker 3: Chinese are flexing their muscle by by basically flexing their
Speaker 3: biceps off the coast of Australia.
Speaker 4: But do you think that's coincidental? No, No, I think that's.
Speaker 2: Not a thing. Yeah, I seeah being ironic.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, And I think they're filling a vacuum. They've
Speaker 4: seen an opportunity to be the leading world par Yeah.
Speaker 4: We're not going to trust Trump in America at the moment,
Speaker 4: are we?
Speaker 2: No? Oh, no, you couldn't. Unfortunately you can't.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know what it means for Orcus but
Speaker 3: as well, because you know, he can have whatever packs
Speaker 3: you have. But his rhetoric just seems to ping around
Speaker 3: from whatever, you know, whether he's had a bad cheeseburger or.
Speaker 2: Not, depending on what he says. But anyway, do you
Speaker 2: think we.
Speaker 3: Should be spending more on our military because it seems
Speaker 3: like half our navy is Navy is underwater off the
Speaker 3: coast of Samoa.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like we're low blow.
Speaker 3: Seriously, seriously, does it feel to you like we have
Speaker 3: anything significant to our armed forces that we can brag about,
Speaker 3: apart from the wonderful quality of our soldiers.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I backed that up.
Speaker 5: I've been in East Team or when our soldiers turned up,
Speaker 5: and it's one of the proudest I've been as in
Speaker 5: New Zealand. They represent us, they look like us, and
Speaker 5: they bring values that you know, in terms of like
Speaker 5: from the bottom up.
Speaker 2: They work with local people really well. I think they're great.
Speaker 5: I think we do have to pay our way a
Speaker 5: lot more. We don't, we know, piggyback on the back
Speaker 5: of the Aussies and the Americans or whatever. But that's
Speaker 5: a hard ask now because we've got a health system
Speaker 5: that's failing. We've got you know, people are losing their
Speaker 5: jobs all over the place. We've got you know, an
Speaker 5: aging population. We've got so many big problems that are
Speaker 5: asking for more money. Do you wish and it's billions.
Speaker 5: I do wish Helen had actually bought those F sixteens.
Speaker 3: To be honest, you, yeah, I like the idea that
Speaker 3: we might have in when we see a fishing vessel
Speaker 3: that's off, we don't just send a sort of dingy
Speaker 3: over there and go, but boy back you go. You
Speaker 3: have an F sixteen go over top in the marke think, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe we shouldn't leave anyway.
Speaker 4: I'm an aging piece neck. I would argue that our
Speaker 4: part of the world, the Pacific, is going to become
Speaker 4: a much more contentious and troubled place, and you can
Speaker 4: see it with the Cooks, and I agree. We need
Speaker 4: to invest more in our safety and our protection as
Speaker 4: well as a commitment to international alliances. You do have
Speaker 4: to be careful who you get into bed with, though,
Speaker 4: absolutely well, but we may we maintained a reasonably independent
Speaker 4: stance since the effectively the seventies and the eighties, and
Speaker 4: unless that's going to change significantly, let's make sure that
Speaker 4: our interests Gosha.
Speaker 3: Month's a long time in politics, isn't it? Weak a
Speaker 3: day Larichy And hopefully four years will pass quickly. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: we're going to have a little bit more politics to come,
Speaker 3: but slightly more localized. And whether we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about well, Wayne Brown's promising to stand for count for
Speaker 3: mayor again, but we'll discuss that in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: be Mark Kreisel and Paul Spoonley are my guest. Just
Speaker 3: a little bit more on the politics. Wayne Brown standing
Speaker 3: for reelection. He's asking rat Walkland rate payers to back
Speaker 3: him finishing the job. I would say that, well, there
Speaker 3: was a question right when the Desley was standing. But
Speaker 3: I don't think Dessley Simpson's going to I think that
Speaker 3: website was simply because she was thinking he might stop,
Speaker 3: not stand. Well, he'll win by a landslide, whon't he?
Speaker 2: Boys?
Speaker 4: Yeah, good on them for restanding.
Speaker 6: But we need a contest.
Speaker 4: We need somebody who's going to go up again, some
Speaker 4: test ideas, test loyalties, test support. If it's going to
Speaker 4: be a one horse race, that's not good for Auckland.
Speaker 4: And remember a third of New Zealand as a residents
Speaker 4: of Auckland.
Speaker 2: We've got to get.
Speaker 3: The politics in the city right, Mark, you'll be giving
Speaker 3: me away giving him to It's only one tech, there's
Speaker 3: no party politics, it's just Wayne.
Speaker 5: We'll wait and see who else turns up. I'm not
Speaker 5: casting him a vote now, and you know I wouldn't
Speaker 5: tell you I voted.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's interesting, is that.
Speaker 5: I mean, God, he had a terrible start in the
Speaker 5: role and he's kind of grown. There's a grudging dislike
Speaker 5: for him now.
Speaker 3: He's not to get the council sort of working together,
Speaker 3: hasn't he seems to.
Speaker 6: Have I mean a grudging respect or wedging.
Speaker 5: Kind of like the way he stands up against you
Speaker 5: never know what he's going to say, and I kind
Speaker 5: of he doesn't respect any authority anywhere. So in a
Speaker 5: way he's become quite a strong champion for Auckland. I mean,
Speaker 5: in the beginning he was giving Boomers a bad name.
Speaker 5: Let's be honest here.
Speaker 2: You know, his behavior was was was terrible.
Speaker 5: He was he wasn't there at the big events, you know,
Speaker 5: with the flooding and the cyclone, and if you look
Speaker 5: around the country there were amazing mayores and small communities
Speaker 5: who really stood up for the communities. He seemed to
Speaker 5: think or it was all about him and how how
Speaker 5: comfortable he was and everything like that. He's a bit
Speaker 5: of an odd fish, but in a way he's given
Speaker 5: Auckland a bit of a personality and and and I
Speaker 5: like Paul would really like to see someone strong, standing
Speaker 5: up standing against him, but it's not looking likely.
Speaker 3: I reckon if he moved to Wellington and said he
Speaker 3: was going to stand for the maryalty down there, they'd
Speaker 3: vote for him there too. They're pretty drunk Tor Torry Faro,
Speaker 3: of course, I mean, but he does seem to.
Speaker 2: He does seem to. Yeah, I think he would.
Speaker 3: I think he would, Hoseen, he text me on nineteen nine,
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: Look, I think he's got that sort of same thing
Speaker 5: as he's not a classic politician, and I think people
Speaker 5: are a little bit sick of slick sort of although
Speaker 5: he's been a mayor up North as well, but I
Speaker 5: think he fits into that mold at the moment, which
Speaker 5: is a little bit grumpy, a little bit cantankerous, someone
Speaker 5: who's not a classic politics.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Actually here's the word.
Speaker 3: I think that that you've that you've sort of encircled neatly,
Speaker 3: whether or not you like him, you feel you know
Speaker 3: him because he is He's unequivalently Wayne Brown. He's authentic.
Speaker 3: What you see is what you get. And I think
Speaker 3: that there's you wouldn't ever bear with him though, would
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 2: What would you? Of course I would. I think it'd
Speaker 2: be hilarious, like absolutely, what would be because you're mad? Uncle?
Speaker 3: I think he's Look, he's an interesting person outy, but
Speaker 3: I think it's too easy to sort of just say
Speaker 3: he's a bit mad and all that sort of thing
Speaker 3: when you know that.
Speaker 2: I think he's good. The impression is.
Speaker 3: That he's getting a few things done at least, and
Speaker 3: I love the fact that he goes. He went up
Speaker 3: near where Victoria Street were in the road Cone Central,
Speaker 3: and he just wandered around talking to the camera game
Speaker 3: see what is this here for? They've got this lane
Speaker 3: and it's the biggest car park in Auckland and they're
Speaker 3: making it into one lane's And he was just simply saying,
Speaker 3: this is ridiculous. And I was watching the video going,
Speaker 3: I know what you mean, and I'm with you. I
Speaker 3: don't know what you know. We've got to see some
Speaker 3: legislation around Auckland transport and everything, Paul, I don't.
Speaker 6: Well, it's an interesting question.
Speaker 4: You two obviously have different views on this, but political relatable,
Speaker 4: it's a is a real issue and the key question
Speaker 4: we always ask is would you have a beer with them?
Speaker 4: And we're asking that in terms of national politicians, Yes,
Speaker 4: And I don't know what the answer would be for
Speaker 4: Aucklander's I mean Tim would say years, but I just
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: I have a beer, look, I'd sit down an interested
Speaker 3: in I would have it, sit down and have a
Speaker 3: beer with it.
Speaker 2: With Looey Swarbrick as well, I think.
Speaker 3: Interesting, quite relatable to Yeah, even though I think kind
Speaker 3: of every own and again I makes my head spin,
Speaker 3: But I think my first pick for sitting down for
Speaker 3: a for a beer and a file mignon would be
Speaker 3: Winston Peters and whiskey.
Speaker 2: I think, I just like.
Speaker 5: It'll be a late start in an early finish.
Speaker 2: Which politician would you?
Speaker 5: So, I was just thinking that I've had a bit
Speaker 5: to do with politicians throughout my career. There are very
Speaker 5: few I would have a beer with, I think, but
Speaker 5: I really like David Shearer.
Speaker 2: He was he's gone, liked him a lot.
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you who is actually in real life
Speaker 5: a really good, interesting guy, And you'd have to sit
Speaker 5: down and have a beer with them, as honey, how
Speaker 5: do we okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't let don't don't don't bring the cameras.
Speaker 4: What about you, Bill, I'm still thinking to him, I'm
Speaker 4: still thinking.
Speaker 3: You'll have I reckon, You've got a name that instantly
Speaker 3: came to mind, but you're busy vetting it going.
Speaker 2: It's just a right, Is that right?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not, Actually i'm not. I'm normally quite open
Speaker 4: about these things. But it's a really interesting question. So
Speaker 4: who would I have a beer with?
Speaker 3: I think there's I like the Racontours. So you know,
Speaker 3: anyone who's who's got a sense of humor, bit of wet.
Speaker 2: They out of a beer with. Is a really good
Speaker 2: guy Don McKinnon.
Speaker 3: Okay, he's out of the picture these days. It has
Speaker 3: to be a current parliamentary save it till next time.
Speaker 3: We got to move on.
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, so what about Quilla the song,
Speaker 2: or the or the drink? Now?
Speaker 3: Look, hey, wannach is making a big effort to be
Speaker 3: in the news. The days they've had the kids indulging
Speaker 3: in mass punch ups on New Year's Eve, they've been
Speaker 3: rending their garments over the possibility of having McDonald's.
Speaker 2: But now it seems they.
Speaker 3: Don't also want poor people and middle class people and
Speaker 3: wanakare getting medical attention. That story about fees as high
Speaker 3: as a thousand bucks urgent after our medical care. There
Speaker 3: was somebody called up for that. I need a fifteen
Speaker 3: minute consultation. They're told to be five hundred bucks. I
Speaker 3: can't get my head around this. Whether there's something missing
Speaker 3: in the story, but apparently the starting rate to walk
Speaker 3: in the doors two hundred.
Speaker 2: And eighty or something.
Speaker 4: I can I add some context here because I'm you
Speaker 4: want to command well, no, no, but I'm speaking of
Speaker 4: Wonica next week. So I've actually done some work around it.
Speaker 4: What's interesting about Queenstown Lakes outside the major centers is
Speaker 4: our major growth area, and everything is under strain. So
Speaker 4: I coming out of coming out of Queenstown the other day,
Speaker 4: it took over an hour on the traffic really took yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: because of that road. There's only that road that goes
Speaker 4: out to the airport, and it's everything is understrained down there,
Speaker 4: and so the growth has gone. Population grows gone way
Speaker 4: ahead of the provision of facilities and services, so they're
Speaker 4: having to backfill. And I think that's one of the
Speaker 4: major problems. I mean, I think there are other things
Speaker 4: going on there, but let's let me put that one there.
Speaker 2: This is kind of surge pricing as we.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's and it's a the demand has grown,
Speaker 4: but they haven't supplied the infrastructure and services for it.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't you wouldn't want to have a heart attack
Speaker 4: in Wanica or anywhere.
Speaker 2: Actually, there's a good there's a good slogan.
Speaker 3: Wana don't have a heart attack here.
Speaker 2: And that's sort of it's a bit of a sort
Speaker 2: of a nice conflict.
Speaker 4: And the good people in Wanica. That was not me
Speaker 4: that said that.
Speaker 3: Come and carget, and come and target and Wana give
Speaker 3: yourself a heart attack in Wantaka.
Speaker 2: We're that exciting. I just don't expect any help when
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 5: But before COVID and everything and and like, this is
Speaker 5: also a major destination for international visitors. This is this
Speaker 5: is New Zealand that appears on the on the biscuit tins.
Speaker 5: You know that people want to see, so everybody wants
Speaker 5: to go there. But before COVID, I remember this was
Speaker 5: an issue all over New Zealand.
Speaker 2: We had so many foreign visitors coming in that we.
Speaker 5: Just hadn't kept up with the infrastructure. And probably the
Speaker 5: area of infrastructure that struggling the most of the moment
Speaker 5: is health.
Speaker 2: You just can't get doctors to go to places. And
Speaker 2: it was bad in Wanica.
Speaker 5: It's really bad in Dargaville, and it's you know, other
Speaker 5: parts of the Far North and things like.
Speaker 4: That, the West Coast South trying to get a GP
Speaker 4: or a junior doctor in the hospital.
Speaker 3: While you guys have been talking about that, I've been
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about slogans because I was thinking, well,
Speaker 3: of course we had listen to us and everyone must
Speaker 3: go for no.
Speaker 2: I just love it, you know. I think that.
Speaker 3: Give yourself a heart attack in Wonica. I think is
Speaker 3: a great and we're that exciting. It's better than better
Speaker 3: than the New Zealand one. Everyone must everyone must go.
Speaker 3: And I mean I don't really care about it that much.
Speaker 2: You're never going to compete with where the bloody hell
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 4: But didn't they realize the number of people leaving the country.
Speaker 4: Here's an advertisement for more to go.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to I'm going to keep workshopping the
Speaker 3: Wanaka slogan because I think we're into it with the
Speaker 3: adventure tourism, come and kill yourselfrom Monica and the skydiving.
Speaker 3: Sorry that was the wrong way to put that. That
Speaker 3: was the wrong way to put that. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Hey, just actually tell you what we need
Speaker 3: to take a break. It's twenty two minutes to four.
Speaker 3: This is News Talks.
Speaker 2: He'd be.
Speaker 3: Yes, Welcome back to the weekn and Collective. This is
Speaker 3: the panel, Paul Spoonley and Mark Kraisler. I guess I'm
Speaker 3: Tim Beverage. Now we've covered some Auckland news, We've covered
Speaker 3: some Wellington news, but just in terms of maybe Wan
Speaker 3: Brown could we've covered Wonica and now we're into christ
Speaker 3: and this interesting plan.
Speaker 2: This one.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you guys have noticed illegal
Speaker 3: but dumping in your neighborhood. We don't get too much
Speaker 3: of it where I live, but there's a city council
Speaker 3: in christ Church wants christ Church residents to be allowed
Speaker 3: to dispose of other people's illegally dumped rubbish for free.
Speaker 3: There is a catch here, I think in his plan,
Speaker 3: but it's Aaron Kewan. He reckons that people would pick
Speaker 3: up rubbish and take it to the tip if they
Speaker 3: saw it illegally dumped in their neighborhood, but they only
Speaker 3: if it was free. I think the weakness is that
Speaker 3: everyone's going to turn up and say.
Speaker 6: Rubbish it mine?
Speaker 2: Is that a problem?
Speaker 3: You probably live somewhere really Poshmark Chryst. I'd imagine you
Speaker 3: don't have much dump rubbish unless it's I do.
Speaker 5: I was out of the dump the other day actually,
Speaker 5: and oh my god, it's expensive. It cost me, like
Speaker 5: I don't know, forty fifty bucks to dump, you know,
Speaker 5: take a ute load out to the dump.
Speaker 3: Really Actually, I just go to a refuse station where
Speaker 3: they do you actually go all the way out to
Speaker 3: the actual tip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you like to sort of get there smell
Speaker 2: the filth.
Speaker 5: It's definitely a smell of my childhood. We used to
Speaker 5: leave with more than we took. Yeah, my dad was
Speaker 5: a shocker.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh my godness, let's go home, you know.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I could do something with this, and they
Speaker 5: thrown that.
Speaker 2: It was a great Kiwi think the old dumps. It
Speaker 2: reminds me of that Quick from Black add It. It's
Speaker 2: like or the Life of Brian.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, Dennis, there's some real filth down here.
Speaker 2: Do you well, do you an illegal dumper?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: I'm not.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not thank you to him, but I do
Speaker 4: think I do think rubbish generally illegal dumping of rubbish
Speaker 4: has become quite an issue, and you notice it around
Speaker 4: in some of our river ways and parks, and I
Speaker 4: just you know, you get to a car park, you're
Speaker 4: going for a walk in this whole lot of rubbish there.
Speaker 4: But but but why are you expecting other people to
Speaker 4: pick this up and take it to the day even if.
Speaker 6: It's for free.
Speaker 4: Surely there are so many cameras around in so many
Speaker 4: ways of identifying who can do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's the cure.
Speaker 3: Maybe you because I mean his plan it sounds great,
Speaker 3: But if you turned up with rubbish and sidah, this
Speaker 3: was dumped on the curb. I mean, how many people
Speaker 3: are going to do that to save themselves forty or
Speaker 3: fifty bucks or something. But it's maybe maybe it needs
Speaker 3: to be The fines for illegal dumping need to be
Speaker 3: Singapore frightening because you know most public offenses in Singapore.
Speaker 3: You drop it, you drop a cigarette, it's six hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: I think, second defense. I think it's like fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: third defense prison, Yeah, penalty, third time. Okay, And did
Speaker 3: you notice there was a council. There's several councils that
Speaker 3: if you put in the incorrect rubbish in the bin
Speaker 3: three times you lose the bin. Councils generally are beginning to.
Speaker 4: Tighten up, and I think it's partly a cost cutting exercise. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was also probably on the other side, people are
Speaker 4: just finding it expensive the me and you found.
Speaker 2: It in mind, if you lose your bin, then what
Speaker 2: do you do?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Illegal, illegal, it's a.
Speaker 2: Problem, that's yeah.
Speaker 5: I just wish the person whose dog takes a dump
Speaker 5: right outside our front door three times.
Speaker 2: A week picks it up. Really, someone doing that on
Speaker 2: your property?
Speaker 5: No, well we live very close to it, like we're
Speaker 5: about a meter from the path to our door. But yeah,
Speaker 5: people walking dogs around there. And this is we live
Speaker 5: in a in a pretty good part of Auckland, and
Speaker 5: so I just think, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: A personal plea from Mark Kraft. So if you're out there, list.
Speaker 5: The People's Republic of Saint Mary's Bay, Okay, sort of
Speaker 5: like the cousin of Herne Bay.
Speaker 2: Isn't it the cheapest house and the second most worst house,
Speaker 2: best streets? Always a good plan.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, I have a personal interest in this in
Speaker 3: a way, not because I've been approached to by the new.
Speaker 2: James Bond, but it is pretty big news.
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that's meant that the
Speaker 3: James Bond franchises sort of stay true to its origins
Speaker 3: is that it's always been in the hands creatively speaking
Speaker 3: of either Cubby or his he's the late Kubly Broccoli
Speaker 3: or his wife Barbara, and Simon G.
Speaker 2: Wilson.
Speaker 3: I think I don't give us the first name, right,
Speaker 3: I said Simon Wilson. I suddenly threw myself there.
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson. Michael was Michael Wilson.
Speaker 3: And they've given control creative control of the James Bond
Speaker 3: franchise to Amazon MGM, which I don't really have a
Speaker 3: big problem with because they killed him off on the
Speaker 3: last one, so I mean it's hardly like they didn't
Speaker 3: really look after him. In the end of that, you
Speaker 3: can say, Tim, it's changed. I mean, it hasn't stayed
Speaker 3: true to its original thing because it's moved all over
Speaker 3: the place.
Speaker 2: It was quite camp there for.
Speaker 5: A while with Roger Moore and Roger Moore and you know,
Speaker 5: and and then Daniel Craig kind of sharpened it up.
Speaker 2: I thought he was a really great Bond. I mean
Speaker 2: the dangerous that, you know, what they've done with Marvel
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: When they exploit the franchise that they dilute it and
Speaker 3: then it just loses its excitement.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a Sean Connery fan. All the Bonds after
Speaker 4: that were just a week No. But it's going to
Speaker 4: be interesting to see because is the inclination for these
Speaker 4: guys to then remake it. I'm a great Jack Reacher person,
Speaker 4: but in terms of who they cast as Jack Reacher, honestly.
Speaker 3: Oh well, the casting decision to cruise. The casting decision
Speaker 3: is absolutely crucial.
Speaker 4: And crucial, and didn't the Broccolis insist upon a British
Speaker 4: actor even though there was an Irish and Australia.
Speaker 3: They went with George Lazenby. But I mean there was
Speaker 3: a guy. He was the worst advice from his agent ever.
Speaker 3: He did one movie and his agent said, don't stick
Speaker 3: around this. This franchise isn't going anywhere. Australian nit where
Speaker 3: model George Lasenbee. Funnily enough, he fronted a He fronted
Speaker 3: the Music of James Bond concert in Australia and shared
Speaker 3: too many pretty much outrageous exploits that offended the audience.
Speaker 2: Wasn't Sam Neil once seriously considered.
Speaker 3: I think so, I mean the number of people whose
Speaker 3: names have been considered for it. I think all the
Speaker 3: James Bonds have generally been right for their generation. We
Speaker 3: look back Roger More. People were looking for a bit
Speaker 3: of a change from the Sean Connery things, so they
Speaker 3: went to the Roger Moore thing, who had a lighter touch.
Speaker 3: And then I mean it's the Timothy Dalton and then
Speaker 3: Brosnan's first movie. I thought he was outstanding.
Speaker 5: He was good, he was good, he was didn't the Aussies,
Speaker 5: didn't the English say about George Lazenby, It was Bond,
Speaker 5: Bruce Bond.
Speaker 3: Actually it's worth actually well actually I would say this
Speaker 3: because I produced concerts with around the Bond stuff. By
Speaker 3: the way, if you're in Hamilton Hamilton Arts next Saturday
Speaker 3: with the Symphony.
Speaker 4: Orchestra, it'll be great.
Speaker 3: But where would these films be? You can look at
Speaker 3: Star Wars, you can look at Bond. I mean look
Speaker 3: at the music of the Bond films every year that
Speaker 3: goes from back from Billie Eilish, most recently Shirley bas
Speaker 3: Where would the and where would that film Serah be
Speaker 3: without that iconic music as well? Everyone now, I mean.
Speaker 2: Don't they always worth waiting for?
Speaker 5: And the thing is, like these other ones, they took
Speaker 5: their time bringing them to you know, bringing them to life,
Speaker 5: and now they haven't even got an actual bond so
Speaker 5: they don't even have a movie, so how far away?
Speaker 4: And the other thing, sorry Mark, but the other thing
Speaker 4: that strikes me is that the early Bonds were really
Speaker 4: a product of the Cold War. And perhaps perhaps you
Speaker 4: know what we started this conversation.
Speaker 3: With, by the way, I mean, it's worth mentioning. I
Speaker 3: don't think we'll be ever seeing that. The outrageous names
Speaker 3: of the Bond women that we saw in the past past.
Speaker 3: Why do we have Xenia on the top, pussy Galore?
Speaker 3: And my favorite was what was that first one? Oh,
Speaker 3: she was Honey Rider was the first one. Pussy Galore
Speaker 3: and James and Goldfinger, and then there was Xenia on
Speaker 3: a top. And there was one who wasn't very well
Speaker 3: known that I quite thought was a cute one was
Speaker 3: betrue Me. She was a Chinese assassin. Anyway, we will
Speaker 3: be back in just a moment.
Speaker 2: It's ten two four news talks. He'd be but don't go.
Speaker 4: He will part him Yah, but his life can disguise.
Speaker 1: What you.
Speaker 6: Knows when he's kissed her.
Speaker 1: It's the kiss sun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love a bit of Shirley Bassie.
Speaker 3: Hey, we thought we'd I thought we'd finished whether Really
Speaker 3: I love this the last story we're going to talk about,
Speaker 3: and it's to me it's the best of you know
Speaker 3: what makes kiwi's kiwi's. And I've seen the video of this.
Speaker 3: So there was a man who had a seizure while
Speaker 3: driving on an Auckland motorway I think was the Northwestern
Speaker 3: Motorway and you just see this car just start to
Speaker 3: drift off the lane. There's another car's got the camera
Speaker 3: running and this guy gets out and he jumps, he
Speaker 3: runs along. He's signaling to the car slow down. He
Speaker 3: runs and jumps in the side window to apply the
Speaker 3: handbreak because the driver of the car is having a
Speaker 3: heart attack. Then you see three trade's in their orange
Speaker 3: vests or something following as well. And I just love
Speaker 3: the fact that somebody saw something wrong. Did you see
Speaker 3: the video of this image? Go to the New Zealand
Speaker 3: Hill website. It's amazing, isn't.
Speaker 2: It's heart warming?
Speaker 6: Isn't it?
Speaker 4: It really is people act and emergencies they act to
Speaker 4: help others. They made a decision really quickly and it
Speaker 4: was a good outcome.
Speaker 5: And let's all be thankful. It was during the Awkland
Speaker 5: rush hour because everything was moving as.
Speaker 2: Slow walk.
Speaker 3: Because it does sound quite flashess like I got out
Speaker 3: on the motorway and I chased the car down.
Speaker 5: It's like he's actually briskly walking if you see it.
Speaker 5: And the other interesting thing is that the guys that
Speaker 5: ran in their in their in their vests afterwards were
Speaker 5: his workmates. He'd been working during the day as an
Speaker 5: host and they are on the truck going home and
Speaker 5: he'd driven past, you know, might have given them a
Speaker 5: bit of a raz or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I just look, actually, because it took some initiative.
Speaker 3: You're in a busy motorway and he got out, and
Speaker 3: the guy who was driving the car, you know, was
Speaker 3: I think it was an unexpected obviously an unexpected medical event.
Speaker 2: But I was just thinking, how brave, how you know
Speaker 2: It's one thing to go something's wrong there, to being.
Speaker 3: I'm the one I'm going to act and get out
Speaker 3: of my car and prevent potentially a tragedy. And let's
Speaker 3: be honest, most people would just say, what's this iffing
Speaker 3: idiot doing you know, in the driving would have been angry.
Speaker 3: He could have been a road rage incident, all those
Speaker 3: sorts of things. It's it's really amazing to see.
Speaker 2: The other amazing thing is how many people have dashboard cams.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, by the way, and why we should give
Speaker 2: a shout out to the guy? Did? His name is
Speaker 2: Jeff Benjamin? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think you know what a great key we
Speaker 3: and I think it's not. I think every now and
Speaker 3: again we just need some of these lovely, heartwarming stories to.
Speaker 2: Not every now and then every day to we need Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I underplayed it, Deny. I meant all the time. We
Speaker 3: need more of it, don't we spread the love? We
Speaker 3: need more of the guys like the silver foxes in
Speaker 3: the studio. Yes, it is because there's a little bit
Speaker 3: of silver, but you have fox.
Speaker 2: Hey. There might be snow on the roof, mate, but
Speaker 2: there's a fire down below.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I think that means it's whole time home time.
Speaker 2: I must to have a coup teen to lie down. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we will be back with one roof radio show.
Speaker 3: New guest in this Yuaro Elsewelf joins us to discuss Renovano.
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