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Speaker 1: So we've got the COVID Report Phase two. It's come out.

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Speaker 1: Royal Commission found cabinet cat auckland in and a lockdown

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Speaker 1: nearly a week longer than n Ashley Bloomfield had advised, though

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Speaker 1: Chippy is now disputing the exact sequencing of that review.

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Speaker 1: Also says advice on vaccines for under eighteen's was missed.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Hag is a lawyer who defended the client who

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Speaker 1: didn't want a COVID JAB and joins us this morning.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Matthew, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to the report?

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Speaker 2: It's well, I'm not really been surprised, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: The things that are in the report were being said

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Speaker 2: at the time by many people, and I think what's

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Speaker 2: disappointing is at the time those people who were saying

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Speaker 2: those things were ostracized by the government. They were inconsistent

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Speaker 2: with the one source of truth that the government were

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Speaker 2: putting out at that time and portrayed it as these uncaring,

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Speaker 2: unthinking people. In the report I think confirms that in

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Speaker 2: many aspects that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: Is this are you talking about the second dose for

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Speaker 1: young people in the myocarditist risk, etc.

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Speaker 2: I am. And also I'm talking about aspects of the

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Speaker 2: mandates and the extent of lockdown and testing.

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Speaker 1: Problem is that we if we all have to agree

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Speaker 1: on what we do next time, is anyone going to

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Speaker 1: agree on anything? You know? Like, that's what it's saying

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Speaker 1: that we should do, is have some kind of plan.

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Speaker 1: But then whatever plan we come up with just get

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Speaker 1: thrown out the window, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. We had a pandemic emergency planned from

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Speaker 2: the nineties and that was thrown at the window. You're

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Speaker 2: absolutely right. Look, there's nothing to stop in future governments

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Speaker 2: from doing the same thing. But I think the report

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Speaker 2: is a good thing because it does shine a light

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Speaker 2: on some of those some of the flaws. And I

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Speaker 2: don't think people expect perfection, but we need to be introspective,

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Speaker 2: We need to reflect on things carefully. One of the

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Speaker 2: recommendations of the report is the introduction of primary legislation

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Speaker 2: to better protect human rights in relation to some of

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Speaker 2: those mandates and testing in lockdowns, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: a good idea.

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Speaker 1: There was also some interesting numbers in there about about

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Speaker 1: how many people didn't get the job and therefore lost

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Speaker 1: their job, and that kind of drag on their employment.

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Speaker 2: Even today, there are teachers, principles, police officers, members of

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Speaker 2: the forces that are still without a job and we'll

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Speaker 2: probably never go back, which is really sad, not just

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Speaker 2: for them and their families, but for communities. And I

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Speaker 2: think we do need to reflect as a society on

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Speaker 2: those professions that we hold up highly as people who

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Speaker 2: serve our community, but we turn our backs on them

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Speaker 2: when they need society to protect them and their basic

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Speaker 2: human rights.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Matthew. Matthew Hague, lawyer. He defended the

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Speaker 1: client who didn't want to COVID JAB talking about the

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Speaker 1: Report Act yesterday. For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge,

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