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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tamee podcast

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Speaker 2: Ah wild parties, cocaine fueled late night debauchery, Guilty as Charged.

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Speaker 2: That does sound like a bit of me, but no, no,

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Speaker 2: My idea of fun is a map. I've got a huge,

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Speaker 2: detailed map on my wall, a winkled triple projection Pacific scentered.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I can while away ours whole afternoons intercontinental

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Speaker 2: flights just staring at a map. And when you steer

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Speaker 2: at a detailed map, you're drawn to curiosities, to extremes,

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Speaker 2: and naturally, of course, you're drawn into imagining or fantasizing

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Speaker 2: what those places might be like in person, rather than

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Speaker 2: simply as a coordinate on your wall. There are three remote,

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Speaker 2: extreme curious places on Earth that I've always fantasized about seeing.

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Speaker 2: One is Ladenconnada, which is the highest permanently populated town

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Speaker 2: in the world that's in the Peruvian Andes, a grim,

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Speaker 2: freezing mining town with a violent crime problem and where

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Speaker 2: a slab of the residents may or may not have

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Speaker 2: mercury poisoning. It's higher than Everest Base Camp, and if

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Speaker 2: you watch on YouTube, it's about as far from a

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Speaker 2: few nights as denaro As, it's possible.

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Speaker 3: To be.

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Speaker 2: The next of the Kergzil Islands aka the Desolation Islands,

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Speaker 2: a vast seven thousand square kilometer archipelago and the sub Antarctic.

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Speaker 2: It's home to amazing wildlife and a few dozen French scientists.

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Speaker 2: And it is huge. It's vast. The main island of

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Speaker 2: the Kurgulan Islands is one hundred and fifty kilometers long

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Speaker 2: and one hundred and twenty kilometers wide. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: heard of it? It's one of the most remote places

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Speaker 2: on Earth. And my final isle of intrigue is Diego Garcia.

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Speaker 2: My dad first told me about d G. Diego Garcia

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Speaker 2: when I was a kid. So imagine a point, a

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Speaker 2: little atoll in the middle of the Indian Ocean below

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Speaker 2: Diego Garcia has been home to one of the most

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Speaker 2: mysterious and secretive military bases on the planet. Its strategic location,

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Speaker 2: its military runway, its fleet of long range bombers, and

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Speaker 2: its ability to reload submarines with weapons make it hugely

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Speaker 2: important to the US and the UK. But of course

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Speaker 2: that base only came about via a brutal history. Although

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Speaker 2: Diego Garcia had no indigenous population, enslaved people were brought

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Speaker 2: there to work on the atoll on coconut plantations, and

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Speaker 2: over several centuries developed their own language and culture. In

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Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties, the Brits decided to kick them out

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Speaker 2: in order to develop the military base. They forcibly evicted

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Speaker 2: all of the local population to Mauritius and the Seychelles.

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Speaker 2: For decades since, Mauritius has fought for the island and

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Speaker 2: its surrounding islands, the surrounding archipelago. Chagosians, as people from

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Speaker 2: the Chagos Islands are known, have fought to return to

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Speaker 2: their home, but I've always assumed that I would never

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Speaker 2: be able to go. The island is rumored to be

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Speaker 2: a CIA black site, and according to a recent BBC report,

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Speaker 2: only three journalists have ever visited. One pretended to have

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Speaker 2: and a half, another stopped to refuel while traveling in

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Speaker 2: a presidential plane, and the most recent visitor had to

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Speaker 2: agree to incredible restrictions on her reporting and was barred

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Speaker 2: from numerous areas and accompanied by minders at all times.

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Speaker 2: But yesterday came news from Diego Garcia. After years of

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Speaker 2: UK and Mauritius announced that sovereignty of Diego Garcia and

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Speaker 2: So will it mean the Chagossians, as people from the

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Speaker 2: Probably not. Under the deal, the long range bombers, the submarines,

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Speaker 2: Its official status might have changed, but for those of

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Speaker 2: us who trace the atoll across the world on our

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Speaker 2: no less mysterious. Team ninety two ninety two. If you've

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Speaker 2: been to Diego Garcia, please let us know. Jacketnewsdalgs headb

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Speaker 2: ten o'clock on News Dogs, he'db I'm so excited about

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Speaker 2: our feature interview. Rena Owen is going to be with

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Speaker 2: us in studio. Would you believe it is thirty years

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Speaker 2: this year since once We're Warriors were released. She has

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Speaker 2: had a remarkable career in the decades since she has

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Speaker 2: which is an incredible achievement. So Reena Owen is going

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Speaker 2: to be with us after ten in studio. Right now,

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Speaker 2: it's thirteen minutes past ten. Kevin Milne will kick us

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Speaker 2: off for our Saturday Morning next. I'm Jack Tame. This

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Speaker 2: is News Dog ZB.

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Speaker 4: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and be purured on codt

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Speaker 2: I love this show. I love this job. Jack. I've

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Speaker 2: been to Diego Garcia. How about that top of the text, Jack,

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Speaker 2: I've been to Diego Garcia, allbit in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the night on a refueling stop, so pretty much in

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Speaker 2: my view, it was a typical US military base in

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Speaker 2: the middle of what seemed like a US town. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I still want to know more, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you haven't been lucky enough to see all parts

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Speaker 2: to drive around the whole atoll. It's about forty killing meters.

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Speaker 2: They reckon that it has some of the cleanest waters

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Speaker 2: and some of the coral reefs that are in best

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Speaker 2: is that is remarkable. So thank you very much for that, Jack.

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Speaker 2: Maps are dying out that being said, I love like

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Speaker 2: you browsing New Zealand maps. Yeah, I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 2: totally sure they're doing out there. Some some maps are

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Speaker 2: probably dying out right. Rod says he wants he's a

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Speaker 2: similar wanderlust. He wants to sit on a rock paddling

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Speaker 2: South America. Making plans is Rod, thank you. Ninety two

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Speaker 5: Oh Jack, you've got to go to the Diego. You've

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Speaker 5: got to be the fourth journalist. I just you've got

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Speaker 5: to do a documentary.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? I just I can't. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's a case of just simply like emailing the

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Speaker 2: I'm Jack, I'm from New Zealand. I want to come

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Speaker 2: to Diego Garcia. I don't think that's necessarily gonna You've.

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Speaker 5: Got You've got some remarkable contacts around the place.

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Speaker 2: Not that remarkable, do you know, Kevin, I did. I

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Speaker 2: the right term. I did go to Guantanamo Bay with

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Speaker 2: the military base at the end of Cuba, right, and

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Speaker 2: so I need to Cuba as a tourist. But to

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Speaker 2: go to the to go to Guantanamo Bay requires a

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Speaker 2: That was complicated enough. But there are gazillions of journalists

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Speaker 2: only three apparently have made it to Diego Garcia over

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Speaker 5: You've got that little that little sort of four runner

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Speaker 5: that you gave us before, was the script for you

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Speaker 5: for the first minute of your documentary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe. What what I will do, as

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Speaker 2: I will there is this this BBC reporter who has

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Speaker 2: So what I'll do is I'm going to put that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm not the only one who you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes fantasizes about reaching these remote parts of the earth.

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Speaker 2: But Kevin, you've been turning your attention to something else

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Speaker 2: this week. You've been running your eye over the latest

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Speaker 2: census results.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's almost interesting the census. I imagine that

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Speaker 5: you yourself would be a keen reader of census results.

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Speaker 2: Ah, a bit like that. Absolutely love it, love love

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Speaker 2: a data dump from Statistics New Zealand. Nothing, you're excited.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't surprised that Wellington's cities has the largest proportion

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think so too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was surprised to find Auckland City so far

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Speaker 5: Zealand European. I find that a fantastic statistic. Really more

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Speaker 5: Indians than Chinese now in New Zealand. It's going to

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Speaker 5: help our cricket sides. The Filipino population has gone up

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Speaker 5: wonderful nurses in our hospitals and our care facilities. Gisbon

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Speaker 5: now got more people identifying as Maori than New Zealand

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Speaker 5: European fifty fifty two percent European. I found that interesting.

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Speaker 5: And I see there are more Greeks and Wellington than

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Speaker 5: all New Zealand homes now have heat pumps. We should

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Speaker 5: have got out of the media jack and into heat pumps.

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Speaker 5: Auckland heat pumps have finally caught on, from thirty nine

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Speaker 5: six percent now. Now is that because your old fashioned

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Speaker 5: I don't know over half of New Zealand's population has

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Speaker 5: European New Zealanders have no religion. I reckon itly far

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Speaker 5: more than half. Finally, cigarettes makings half since two thy thirteen.

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Speaker 5: Lobbyists and health professionals take about time now, surely got

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Speaker 5: the squeeze on alcohol? You'll agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've long seen I think our attitudes

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Speaker 2: towards alcohol could still do with some improvement.

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Speaker 2: The fascinating numbers, Ah, Kevin, there's one little data point

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Speaker 2: you haven't included there I was interested by. There are

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Speaker 2: still thirty one percent of New Zealand homes have a

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Speaker 2: land line. Yes, yeah, although on the Chathams it's more

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Speaker 2: than seventy percent, because which kind of makes sense. I

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Speaker 2: can imagine there are a few dead spots of cell

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, there'll all be people my age, aren't they

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Speaker 5: with the old still with the landline?

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Speaker 5: Every now and again. I wish we still had one,

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Speaker 5: to be honest, do you Oh yeah, yeah, they're a

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Speaker 5: lovely item. Really, I've still got a mc garage and

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Speaker 5: I sold what do they call them? Rotary?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And kids don't even know where to put the receiver

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Speaker 5: down on them anymore.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I'm not that confident that I could

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Speaker 2: use one. A bit of a change. Yeah, No, those

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Speaker 2: really does describe a change in New Zealand. Was also

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Speaker 2: interested that there are I think almost twice as many

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Speaker 2: people who identify as Hindu as do Muslim in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: So thank you, Kevin. Kevin Milner with us there. Thank

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Speaker 2: He's got a bit excited there and then mine, sorry

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Speaker 2: Savill is here this morning and Jimmy Spittle says he's

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Speaker 6: So it should be a good competition, jack in.

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Speaker 2: The faint, yeah should. The Women's Tea twenty Cricket World

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Speaker 6: Good outing for a team that has struggled so much

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Speaker 6: for mat the White Ferns made one sixty against India.

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with the Silver Fans?

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Speaker 5: Good question.

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Speaker 6: The Black Ferns lost against Ireland the other day. The Silver.

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Speaker 6: I just hope looking forward to this.

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Speaker 6: Fingers crossed that he that he comes through unscathed. He's

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, thanks V. That's our Sporto Andrews seven Jack.

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Speaker 2: I also called into Diego Garcia in the early eighties

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Speaker 8: Care as long as.

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Speaker 9: It's all as Hussy Candy, the Joker, the Joker.

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Speaker 2: That is Lady Gaga with the Joker. And we are

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Speaker 2: at Francisca Rudkin is here killed er, good morning, and

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Speaker 2: her first film for us this morning is Joker folly

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Speaker 4: Two years ago the name Arthur Fleck had got them

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Speaker 10: When my first son Joker, Oh, I say my life

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Speaker 2: Mmmm. Okay, Francisca, tell us about Joker folly a d.

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Speaker 11: Did you see the original Joker was released about twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 11: Wakin Phoenix was absolutely amazing and it really committed to

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Speaker 11: the role. The film was very grim it was very visceral,

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Speaker 11: I struggled with the film though, I felt that it

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Speaker 11: I wasn't sure what it's sort of offered. I wonder

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Speaker 10: He became the Joker.

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Speaker 11: He was sort of this insult, this this outsider who

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Speaker 11: It's the trial. He also falls in love with another

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Speaker 11: has to decide And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 11: I think you kind of get to decide.

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Speaker 12: What you think about it.

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Speaker 11: But I look, I'm going to be honest, it's grims,

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Speaker 11: It's another our six team. This is not the kind

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Speaker 11: of comic book you know, film you think, oh, it'spea

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Speaker 11: good for the school holidays. We take the kids along.

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Speaker 11: And I think you probably had to really enjoy the

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Speaker 11: first film to get something out of this one. I

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Speaker 11: felt like this one just didn't give us. It just

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Speaker 11: felt a little bit flat, not sort of enough was

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Speaker 11: really going on. And once again, Jake, you know I'm

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Speaker 11: not the biggest musical fan, so maybe you also need

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Speaker 11: to be able to a fan of the musical interlude

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Speaker 11: to the number.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's a joker. Next up, let's have a

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Speaker 2: listen to Will and Harper.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 13: There, I'm Will Ferrell, one of the greatest actors in

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Speaker 13: the world. A long time ago, back when I was

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Speaker 13: at Serenai Live, I met a guy who was hired

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Speaker 13: as a writer the same week I was hired. Over

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Speaker 13: the years, he became one of my closest friends. And

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Speaker 13: then one day I got this email, Hey, Will, something

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Speaker 13: I need you to know. I'll be transitioning to live

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Speaker 13: as a woman.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a good set up there, So tell us

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Speaker 2: about Will and Harper.

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Speaker 11: So this is a documentary which is currently playing on Netflix.

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Speaker 11: And this is an example of why comedy is such

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Speaker 11: a valuable genre.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 11: It allows us to talk about difficult, serious topics that

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Speaker 11: might make us uncomfortable, you know, it might it helps

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Speaker 11: us kind of deal with a topic that we might

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Speaker 11: be curious about but we don't know much about. And

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Speaker 11: that's pretty much what Will Pharel does in this film.

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Speaker 11: So Andrew Steele was they started at Saturday Night Live

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Speaker 11: at the same time. He was a writer, Will was

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Speaker 11: an actor. And Andrew Steel goes on to become the

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Speaker 11: head writer for many years at Saturday Night Live. And

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Speaker 11: I've been friends for thirty years. And at sixty one,

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Speaker 11: Andrew decides to transition and becomes Harper Steel and tells

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Speaker 11: Will about this, and so Will's fears sort of thoughts

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Speaker 11: is okay, that's cool. But then of course he's like, well,

475
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Speaker 11: how does this kind of affect our friendship? What does

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Speaker 11: this kind of mean? How do I deal with this?

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Speaker 11: And Harper is the kind of person that has always

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Speaker 11: loved traveling across America, stopping in small towns, love loves dives,

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Speaker 11: bars and really bad bears, And so Will says to her, Look,

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Speaker 11: this is how you wanted to live your life.

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Speaker 10: I know that you're not how this is what you

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Speaker 10: love in life.

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Speaker 11: I know it's quite hard for you to do this

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Speaker 11: as happen. Why don't we do it together. Let's cross

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Speaker 11: the country, let's travel New York, LA. And I'm with you.

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Speaker 11: Let's go and do this and see how it goes.

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Speaker 11: And before they left and when they sort of started

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Speaker 11: this documentary up, but it's been very well produced. When

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Speaker 11: they started, I think they thought they kind of you know,

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Speaker 11: set up some gags and thought about some fun things

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Speaker 11: they could.

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Speaker 4: Do along the way.

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Speaker 11: But then as the sort of carries on, they realized

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Speaker 11: that just letting it be, you were going to get

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Speaker 11: the humor, you were going to get the conversations. And

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Speaker 11: it's just this really lovely story about friendship. And what

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Speaker 11: I like about it is that although it sort of

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Speaker 11: feels like it's quite a good production, behind it, Will

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Speaker 11: himself asks questions as clumsily as you or I might,

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Speaker 11: you know, like of his friend and what they've been

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Speaker 11: through and what it's like for them, and how long

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Speaker 11: we've felt like this, and you know, and asks all

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Speaker 11: sorts of questions that we're all sort of would be

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Speaker 11: curious to ask a friend if they had been through

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Speaker 11: a transition. So you kind of get to share that,

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Speaker 11: but in a very war amusing sort of accessible way.

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Speaker 11: It really it really is is a delight and the

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Speaker 11: two of them to get it. Honestly, it's laugh out

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Speaker 11: loud funny. At times, they're very but then there's also

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Speaker 11: a lot of seriousness in here because Will realizes that

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Speaker 11: actually he's been able to be a buffer for Harper.

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Speaker 11: You know, he's this fate well most most of the

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Speaker 11: time people recognize them. Quite often they don't, but you know,

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Speaker 11: he was able to sort of be a buffer and

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Speaker 11: as the and it's all sort of about him at first,

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Speaker 11: but as the film progresses, Half is able to sort

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Speaker 11: of stand on her own true feet a bit more

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Speaker 11: and she sort of takes center stage and things. But

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Speaker 11: they learn a lot as they go. But it's yeah,

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Speaker 11: it's just really gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Cool, it sounds amazing. Yeah, I like the sound of that.

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Speaker 2: There's Will and Harper. I'm a long time Will Fairrell fan,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, it's a bit of me. I reckon Francisca.

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Speaker 2: We'll make sure that Francisca recommendations are up and available

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Speaker 2: on the news talk z'd be website. And I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to see that you agree with her. Jack Golda, Mike

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Speaker 2: here read the Joker. You can put lipstick on a peg.

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Speaker 2: But yep, it's still a pig there. I go to

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Speaker 2: see you, okay, Jack. Further to my Diego Garcia experience,

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Speaker 2: it consisted of attempting to find the only phone box

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Speaker 2: on the island. I had to be escorted there to

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Speaker 2: use my telecomphone cards to make an international phone call

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Speaker 2: to my colleagues, and sadly that didn't work. Still not

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Speaker 2: good to get you even if you knew it wasn't

535
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Speaker 2: going to work. Good because you get to see it.

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Speaker 2: But Diego Garcia, Jack, I was in Diego Garcia in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two with the Navy. We anchored in the

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Speaker 2: lagoon for two days and were permitted to shore where

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Speaker 2: we swam in the beautiful waters and we're able to

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Speaker 2: socialize with some of the US staff. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: all of the Diego Garcia memories. I'm just delighted that

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Speaker 2: anyone has heard of it and has been there before.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two ninety two is our text number if you

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Speaker 2: want to send me a message, sixteen to ten. We've

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Speaker 2: got that egg plant avocado whip recipe for you.

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Speaker 1: Next Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going

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Speaker 1: through the weekend with Bpure dot co dot inst for

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Speaker 1: high quality supplements used talksb Ah, this.

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Speaker 2: Is interesting hijack just on a tangent. Can I just say,

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Speaker 2: Michelle on a tangent to your tangent, how much I

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Speaker 2: love tangents. And if there is one show that embraces

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Speaker 2: a tangent, it's this show on a tangent. Anyone who

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Speaker 2: has been to a un posting before, or who has

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Speaker 2: been on a military base would love one of the

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Speaker 2: US PX shops. I think PX stands for Postal Exchange.

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Speaker 2: It's like a commissarrey, it's like a it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like a like a US drug store, but it's on

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Speaker 2: a military base.

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Speaker 4: AE.

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Speaker 2: We used to buy dom Perrignon for less than twenty

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Speaker 2: dollars in Damascus and then picnic with it sacrilegiously mixed

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Speaker 2: with orange juice, says Michelle. Yeah, that is That's pretty

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Speaker 2: amazing and I'm sure there'll be people who are screaming

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Speaker 2: at their radios right now. Thank you, Michelle ninety two

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Speaker 2: ninety two. If you want to send us a message,

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Speaker 2: it's thirteen to ten on newstalk s d B and

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Speaker 2: Margo Flanagan, who's of course one of the two Raw

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Speaker 2: sisters is with us this morning.

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Speaker 11: Killed a Killed a Jack.

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Speaker 14: How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Very very well? Thank you. I'm so excited because you

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Speaker 2: have a delicious spring adjacent recipe for us this morning

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Speaker 2: from your new book More Salad and egg Plant an

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Speaker 2: avocado whip whip.

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Speaker 7: Yes, this is such a banger. I love this recipee.

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Speaker 2: So where would you serve this like?

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Speaker 3: This?

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Speaker 4: Is?

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Speaker 2: This is the sort of thing that if you are

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Speaker 2: having a little barbecue or something and you can get

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Speaker 2: your hands on some good eggplants at this time of year,

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Speaker 2: this would be a good option.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure, it can be any occasion. I think

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Speaker 7: that's what I love about the threepm. Why we chose

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Speaker 7: to do it on this show, because it's a great

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Speaker 7: veg side to a delicious protein. It's a great starter

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Speaker 7: you could save with some showado. There's so many different options.

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Speaker 7: You can have it with corn chips, you can do

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Speaker 7: it on toast like It's just the options are endless.

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Speaker 2: Now that sounds that sounds awesome. Okay, run us through it.

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Speaker 2: How do we make it sure?

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Speaker 7: So we start off with our eggplants, so within more salid.

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Speaker 7: What we've done is we've done a workshop on every page.

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Speaker 7: So that's kind of the point of difference between our

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Speaker 7: five others or our four other cookbooks. So if you

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Speaker 7: don't have eggplant, or eggplants are really expensive, in the

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Speaker 7: swap for this recipee, we've said if you can swap

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Speaker 7: eggplants with roasted spring carrots or I mean, if we're

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Speaker 7: in winter. We're not now, but you could do pumpkin

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Speaker 7: or yams, or you can refer to us what with

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Speaker 7: the Season's Guide and more salads for more options. So

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Speaker 7: with the egg plant, cut it up, chuck it on

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Speaker 7: a baking tray. And with eggplant, the key is lots

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Speaker 7: of oil. Always add more than what you think, because

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Speaker 7: a lot of people hate eggplant because it's really rubbery,

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Speaker 7: but it's because you're not adding enough oil. So make

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Speaker 7: sure you add about three to four tablespoons of oil.

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Speaker 7: Pop it in a preheated oven at two hundred degrees

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Speaker 7: for about twenty five to thirty minutes, and you'll have

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Speaker 7: the most amazing, soft, delicious eggplant. So while that's in

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Speaker 7: the oven, we're going to make the avocado whips. But

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Speaker 7: in this whip, we've got one avocado, We've got one

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Speaker 7: cup of fresh herbs, so herbs and in more salad.

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Speaker 7: We've just ridden herbs. So that can be anything you have,

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Speaker 7: whether it's mint, basil, parsley, coriander, can be a mixture

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Speaker 7: of a couple. Just do whatever you've got at home.

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Speaker 7: You've got extraversion olive oil, hulld to heni so to henie.

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Speaker 7: A lot of people don't like to heni. But if

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Speaker 7: you don't like it, because you're probably getting the wrong one.

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Speaker 7: So make sure you're always getting hulled. And then we've

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Speaker 7: got garlic, lemon and sea salt. So if you don't well,

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Speaker 7: this whip is a great way to use your bad avocado.

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Speaker 7: So if you open it and it's not that slash,

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Speaker 7: make this recipe. It's great. Or you could use a

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Speaker 7: cup of green peas or in amami beans as well.

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Speaker 7: If you don't have EVO, So your eggplants roasted, your

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Speaker 7: avocado whips done, Spread the avowep on a flat plate

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Speaker 7: top with your delicious roasted egg plant and then crumble

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Speaker 7: over some fetter, fresh herbs, docker extraversion olive oil and

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Speaker 7: Bob's your uncle.

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Speaker 4: Easy?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 7: Just reastpee takes thirty minutes, serves four to six.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wouldn't in my house to serve one to

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Speaker 2: two serve me.

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Speaker 7: I know that's actually a thing in my house too.

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Speaker 7: It's always like, oh shit, that is meant to serve

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Speaker 7: for but beaten it. So and we've got a delicious

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Speaker 7: with with every recipe and more salad as well. So

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Speaker 7: on this resp it says this is delicious with our tomatoes,

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Speaker 7: basil and crousions. And it would be great with chicken

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Speaker 7: or seafood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it sounds so good. So your books out

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Speaker 2: now as well, right more salad? Hell yeah, yeah, hell.

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Speaker 7: Yea, So get it from any bookshop. It's the book

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Speaker 7: to have this summer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds very It sounds sounds amazing. Thank you

648
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Speaker 2: so much, Mago. We'll make sure that recipe too for

649
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Speaker 2: the a plant and avocado whip is it is more

650
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Speaker 2: fun to eat than it is to say. That's what

651
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Speaker 2: I'll say. We'll make sure that that is up and

652
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Speaker 2: available on our website as well. Right now, it is

653
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Speaker 2: nine minutes to ten on Newstalk CD.

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Speaker 4: My casking Ryan Bridge.

655
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Speaker 2: Person for all of our listeners who might not have

656
00:34:00,213 --> 00:34:03,053
Speaker 2: heard of it before or maybe recognize the name, tell

657
00:34:03,133 --> 00:34:04,053
Speaker 2: us a little bit about.

658
00:34:03,893 --> 00:34:12,853
Speaker 15: Tucky Door Tucky Theater was in its prime heyday was

659
00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:17,493
Speaker 15: in Wellington and it's where, for those who may not know,

660
00:34:17,733 --> 00:34:20,653
Speaker 15: I did a film called Once We're Warriors thirty years

661
00:34:20,693 --> 00:34:26,693
Speaker 15: ago and this theater space, which was first called Depot Theater,

662
00:34:27,933 --> 00:34:34,933
Speaker 15: provided us with a space where that nurtured Maldi talent, writers, actors.

663
00:34:35,693 --> 00:34:40,133
Speaker 15: I first got involved when I was invited down by

664
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Speaker 15: Jim Moriarty to do the first ever theatre at I season,

665
00:34:44,453 --> 00:34:47,373
Speaker 15: which was in nineteen ninety. We were going through the

666
00:34:47,373 --> 00:34:50,813
Speaker 15: one hundred and fifty year celebration of Teddy t Or

667
00:34:50,933 --> 00:34:56,733
Speaker 15: White Tonguey So and it was Maldy doing everything acting, writing, producing,

668
00:34:56,893 --> 00:34:59,173
Speaker 15: directing drama. And I thought, oh, I've got to come

669
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Speaker 15: and live in Wellington because this is where theater is

670
00:35:02,133 --> 00:35:05,213
Speaker 15: and as an actor you've got to learn your craft.

671
00:35:06,373 --> 00:35:11,053
Speaker 15: And so this space was there during that time of

672
00:35:11,933 --> 00:35:18,373
Speaker 15: pivotal changes, which we had a wonderful fabric of comata

673
00:35:18,453 --> 00:35:21,573
Speaker 15: who were mostly women, so I call them the founding mothers.

674
00:35:22,293 --> 00:35:26,213
Speaker 15: Kitty Cartunya Baker, Sunny, Amy Roner, all of these women

675
00:35:26,293 --> 00:35:32,333
Speaker 15: who literally most creative artists have a space for humanity

676
00:35:32,573 --> 00:35:35,013
Speaker 15: rather than politics. So they're not afraid, they're not thinking

677
00:35:35,053 --> 00:35:38,773
Speaker 15: about political things. They're thinking, hey, we need to this

678
00:35:39,013 --> 00:35:42,653
Speaker 15: is a season where we need to start creating and

679
00:35:42,773 --> 00:35:46,453
Speaker 15: dedicating the space to the Maldi voice, to Maldi stories.

680
00:35:47,213 --> 00:35:50,013
Speaker 15: And the following year, nineteen ninety one is when they

681
00:35:50,053 --> 00:35:53,653
Speaker 15: did the renaming ceremony of changing the depot is what

682
00:35:53,773 --> 00:35:56,973
Speaker 15: it was called to Takiua, the weaving of two. That

683
00:35:57,213 --> 00:36:02,053
Speaker 15: same year, play Market published a book head air Hoe,

684
00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:05,773
Speaker 15: which was five plays by Maldi playwrights. So a lot

685
00:36:05,813 --> 00:36:08,533
Speaker 15: of us came out of that stable. A lot of

686
00:36:08,653 --> 00:36:12,013
Speaker 15: us learned our craft there before tuky Do though theater

687
00:36:12,453 --> 00:36:15,333
Speaker 15: I was first started in New Zealand with Don Soarwyn

688
00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:18,533
Speaker 15: and Mary padoing there to Birdier series, which is where

689
00:36:18,573 --> 00:36:21,093
Speaker 15: I met Leta Mahori and do We're Brown? And I

690
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,813
Speaker 15: had gone to drama school in London, and it's a

691
00:36:23,893 --> 00:36:26,373
Speaker 15: craft people. I couldn't have done what I did with

692
00:36:26,653 --> 00:36:30,053
Speaker 15: Beth Heckare without learning my craft. And all those years

693
00:36:30,133 --> 00:36:33,173
Speaker 15: of theater and so takey Door gave us that space

694
00:36:33,253 --> 00:36:35,773
Speaker 15: to write plays. I wanted to work with weak Cookie Car,

695
00:36:35,933 --> 00:36:37,933
Speaker 15: so I wrote a play called Daddy's Girl so I

696
00:36:38,013 --> 00:36:41,053
Speaker 15: could work with weak Cookie Car. I drama turned, I

697
00:36:41,213 --> 00:36:44,413
Speaker 15: stage managed, I directed, I produced. We all did everything

698
00:36:44,733 --> 00:36:49,173
Speaker 15: to create this vibrant theater space and it became hugely successful.

699
00:36:49,733 --> 00:36:53,893
Speaker 15: We had full houses, every show was full, and then

700
00:36:54,013 --> 00:36:58,653
Speaker 15: eventually it transformed into a company that lost its building

701
00:36:59,213 --> 00:37:02,133
Speaker 15: but went on to become a huge commercial success, which

702
00:37:02,213 --> 00:37:04,093
Speaker 15: is not easy to do in the world of theater.

703
00:37:04,413 --> 00:37:05,733
Speaker 15: It's not a lot of money in theater.

704
00:37:06,373 --> 00:37:09,453
Speaker 2: We do it for love commercial success in theater in

705
00:37:09,533 --> 00:37:11,133
Speaker 2: the same time, No, they're not.

706
00:37:11,333 --> 00:37:14,413
Speaker 15: I waited tables, I cleaned toilets, I did all those

707
00:37:14,693 --> 00:37:17,013
Speaker 15: jobs that other actors do to pay the bills while

708
00:37:17,053 --> 00:37:19,933
Speaker 15: I was doing my passion. But it's where I learned

709
00:37:20,013 --> 00:37:23,533
Speaker 15: my craft. I also futtyn Or Noddle, which is a

710
00:37:23,573 --> 00:37:26,453
Speaker 15: big part of the documentary, took you to a breaking

711
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:31,853
Speaker 15: barriers when it all my handed over the reins for

712
00:37:32,013 --> 00:37:34,893
Speaker 15: me to play the role of Ruby. That is still

713
00:37:34,973 --> 00:37:37,973
Speaker 15: to this date one of the best pieces of theater

714
00:37:38,253 --> 00:37:42,453
Speaker 15: I have ever worked on. And it links into Once

715
00:37:42,573 --> 00:37:46,493
Speaker 15: Were Warriors because we toured futting A Noddle Wellington to

716
00:37:46,613 --> 00:37:50,893
Speaker 15: Auckland into the Adelaide Theater Festival and I had heard

717
00:37:50,973 --> 00:37:53,973
Speaker 15: that Communicado had the rights for Once Were Warriors and

718
00:37:54,133 --> 00:37:55,973
Speaker 15: having read the book I knew that that was going

719
00:37:56,053 --> 00:37:58,213
Speaker 15: to be a role to die for, which I literally did.

720
00:37:59,053 --> 00:38:01,773
Speaker 15: But I actually had the audacity of my youth thring

721
00:38:01,813 --> 00:38:04,493
Speaker 15: them up and say, oh, Kilder, my name's Renna Owen

722
00:38:04,613 --> 00:38:06,893
Speaker 15: and I'm in this play called Futo not or not

723
00:38:07,013 --> 00:38:09,933
Speaker 15: All when I'm playing Ruby, and Ruby's a character that's

724
00:38:09,973 --> 00:38:12,653
Speaker 15: a lot like Beth heickeett. I would love look if

725
00:38:12,693 --> 00:38:14,413
Speaker 15: I bought you tickets, would you come and see the

726
00:38:14,493 --> 00:38:18,053
Speaker 15: play and see my work? And Ross Jennings, who was

727
00:38:18,133 --> 00:38:21,453
Speaker 15: a partner of their communicator, he came, wow, and he said, yeah,

728
00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:25,653
Speaker 15: you'd be really good for me. Well, I had to

729
00:38:25,853 --> 00:38:28,293
Speaker 15: an audition the following year, but that was part of it.

730
00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:31,333
Speaker 15: That was absolutely part of the process. But a year

731
00:38:31,413 --> 00:38:34,613
Speaker 15: before then was actually my first encounter was with Alan

732
00:38:34,693 --> 00:38:38,253
Speaker 15: duff in the Book and Dylan's Bookstore. Because they knew

733
00:38:38,413 --> 00:38:41,053
Speaker 15: our co op Tucky to a co op did Malori

734
00:38:41,133 --> 00:38:44,013
Speaker 15: acting Malori directing. They asked me if i'd present a

735
00:38:44,093 --> 00:38:47,813
Speaker 15: reading of his second novel, One Night Out Out Stealing,

736
00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:51,253
Speaker 15: and so I did, and my Maldi actor didn't show up,

737
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:53,453
Speaker 15: so I ended up having to read this extract and

738
00:38:53,533 --> 00:38:56,453
Speaker 15: Allen thought the whole idea of this presentation was a

739
00:38:56,493 --> 00:39:01,013
Speaker 15: bit ardie fardi. But once I started to read, he

740
00:39:01,133 --> 00:39:03,333
Speaker 15: turned around and he watched and he listened, and he

741
00:39:03,413 --> 00:39:05,213
Speaker 15: came up and he said to me, he said, how

742
00:39:05,253 --> 00:39:07,133
Speaker 15: did you do that? You read it? You read it

743
00:39:07,293 --> 00:39:09,853
Speaker 15: exactly the way I wrote it. How did you do that?

744
00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:12,253
Speaker 15: And I said, I'm an actor? And he said, have

745
00:39:12,373 --> 00:39:13,373
Speaker 15: you ever read my book?

746
00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:13,573
Speaker 4: Once?

747
00:39:13,653 --> 00:39:16,333
Speaker 15: We're worries because you'd make a great Beth. And he

748
00:39:16,413 --> 00:39:18,253
Speaker 15: got a copy of the publisher and he signed in

749
00:39:18,293 --> 00:39:23,293
Speaker 15: it to Renna maybe my Beth, I hope. So so

750
00:39:23,453 --> 00:39:26,373
Speaker 15: that started. Then, yes, and then with tATu nudd or

751
00:39:26,413 --> 00:39:30,533
Speaker 15: nuddle thanks to me working at Takidua and tuky do

752
00:39:31,213 --> 00:39:34,453
Speaker 15: you employed us? Okay, we may not have made the

753
00:39:34,493 --> 00:39:38,293
Speaker 15: big bucks, but it gave us work. And when you're

754
00:39:38,333 --> 00:39:40,733
Speaker 15: growing and learning as a writer or an actor or

755
00:39:40,733 --> 00:39:42,813
Speaker 15: a director or a dramatri, you've got to do it.

756
00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:45,133
Speaker 15: It's like any craft. The more you do it, the

757
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:49,453
Speaker 15: better you get. And I highly recommend theater to young

758
00:39:49,533 --> 00:39:53,493
Speaker 15: actors because it's not so much about vanity or ego

759
00:39:53,653 --> 00:39:56,213
Speaker 15: or having your photo on a magazine or being famous.

760
00:39:56,293 --> 00:40:00,333
Speaker 15: It's about craft. It's about the one oh ones of

761
00:40:00,453 --> 00:40:02,893
Speaker 15: what this industry is all about, which has been a

762
00:40:02,973 --> 00:40:06,253
Speaker 15: storyteller and being able to tell a story and draw

763
00:40:06,453 --> 00:40:09,533
Speaker 15: in an audience and then touching their minds, their hearts

764
00:40:09,693 --> 00:40:10,853
Speaker 15: and telling a story.

765
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Speaker 2: Thirty years, Yes, Once We're Warriors. How do you reflect

766
00:40:16,373 --> 00:40:16,573
Speaker 2: on that?

767
00:40:17,813 --> 00:40:22,373
Speaker 15: Ah, it's kind of yess, you go wow. Thirty years

768
00:40:22,733 --> 00:40:27,333
Speaker 15: it went golf, Yes, it went fast. And a couple

769
00:40:27,373 --> 00:40:35,613
Speaker 15: of things have happened this year. One Timothy has done

770
00:40:35,653 --> 00:40:38,493
Speaker 15: a re release of the actual vinyl the soundtrack for

771
00:40:38,613 --> 00:40:42,653
Speaker 15: Once We're Warriors, and it's pretty damn cool and it's

772
00:40:42,933 --> 00:40:45,893
Speaker 15: it's just brilliant that he's doing it because we've gone

773
00:40:46,053 --> 00:40:50,613
Speaker 15: back to vinyl. Also to Once We're Warriors has been

774
00:40:50,653 --> 00:40:53,893
Speaker 15: on it at the Hawaii International Film Festival next week,

775
00:40:54,973 --> 00:40:56,933
Speaker 15: tim is going to be over there. I can't make

776
00:40:57,013 --> 00:40:59,733
Speaker 15: it because I'm working on Moana and so I've got

777
00:40:59,773 --> 00:41:04,373
Speaker 15: to go back to Atlanta, Georgia. But for anyone who's

778
00:41:04,373 --> 00:41:07,493
Speaker 15: still interested in vinyl, the oldie and the newbies are

779
00:41:07,653 --> 00:41:12,933
Speaker 15: flyingout Records dot com sorry, dot co dot NZ re

780
00:41:13,133 --> 00:41:17,133
Speaker 15: releasing the Ones We're Warriors soundtrack at the end of October,

781
00:41:17,733 --> 00:41:22,253
Speaker 15: and this documentary, which I'm a small part of, comes

782
00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:27,573
Speaker 15: out later this year in November, and you know, Fetu

783
00:41:27,613 --> 00:41:33,173
Speaker 15: has done a wonderful job because it's I'm working on

784
00:41:33,293 --> 00:41:36,173
Speaker 15: a work in progress, a documentary about once We're Warriors

785
00:41:36,253 --> 00:41:39,133
Speaker 15: and the whole theme being more than the movie? What

786
00:41:39,293 --> 00:41:41,813
Speaker 15: does it take to make more than the movie? And

787
00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:44,493
Speaker 15: it's very hard to choose when you've got so much

788
00:41:44,813 --> 00:41:48,413
Speaker 15: material and resources to choose from. What do you pick?

789
00:41:48,733 --> 00:41:52,213
Speaker 15: What do you include to tell your story? And she's

790
00:41:52,253 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 15: done a great job of bringing in the old and

791
00:41:54,933 --> 00:41:58,413
Speaker 15: some of the old footage and definitely honoring our co

792
00:41:58,613 --> 00:42:01,213
Speaker 15: Martr who will all Co mart to us young people

793
00:42:01,333 --> 00:42:04,853
Speaker 15: back then and still are sunny. Amy's still kicking well

794
00:42:04,893 --> 00:42:08,373
Speaker 15: into her nineties. And then she's touched on a lot

795
00:42:08,453 --> 00:42:11,453
Speaker 15: of the things that happened in that seminal period, and

796
00:42:11,653 --> 00:42:16,253
Speaker 15: touched on a lot of the new actors and re enacting,

797
00:42:16,773 --> 00:42:21,093
Speaker 15: you know, scenes from plays that were incredibly successful, like

798
00:42:21,213 --> 00:42:25,093
Speaker 15: Fat or No, like Tehuki Note which was there. We

799
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:28,693
Speaker 15: are Brown Ewan Brown. Our relationship started, you know TV

800
00:42:28,973 --> 00:42:33,213
Speaker 15: for Airti Birdier for TV one and then at Take

801
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:36,053
Speaker 15: Do and then we all ended up working on Warriors,

802
00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:40,373
Speaker 15: and so it's it's like Taki Doua, the weaving of

803
00:42:40,453 --> 00:42:43,493
Speaker 15: two threads. You know, all these threads come together and

804
00:42:44,453 --> 00:42:47,373
Speaker 15: one thing. It's really hit home this year, thirty years

805
00:42:47,413 --> 00:42:49,893
Speaker 15: because I do have the privilege of being Grandma Tala

806
00:42:50,053 --> 00:42:55,093
Speaker 15: in Muana, the live action film. I've had so many

807
00:42:55,173 --> 00:42:59,333
Speaker 15: of our extras and our principal dancers. Everyone has to

808
00:42:59,413 --> 00:43:02,973
Speaker 15: be Polynesian, and some of them live in America, some

809
00:43:03,093 --> 00:43:05,253
Speaker 15: of them came off the Islands. We've got Hawaiians, We've

810
00:43:05,253 --> 00:43:08,773
Speaker 15: got Tonguans, we've got Morns, We've got just everyone a

811
00:43:08,813 --> 00:43:13,453
Speaker 15: great representation, and so many of them have come up

812
00:43:13,533 --> 00:43:17,173
Speaker 15: to me and said, thank you. I wouldn't be here

813
00:43:17,253 --> 00:43:21,573
Speaker 15: today if it wasn't for once. We're warriors, you know,

814
00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:23,973
Speaker 15: or thank you for paving the way, or thank you

815
00:43:24,093 --> 00:43:27,533
Speaker 15: for opening the door, because you know, Jack for my life.

816
00:43:28,253 --> 00:43:31,813
Speaker 15: As a creative kid growing up, I had a vivid imagination.

817
00:43:31,973 --> 00:43:35,413
Speaker 15: I was overly emotional. I was first published when I

818
00:43:35,533 --> 00:43:38,093
Speaker 15: was eight in a poetry contest. I was in the

819
00:43:38,133 --> 00:43:41,213
Speaker 15: Kappa Huker group. I found my place on the stage

820
00:43:41,293 --> 00:43:45,213
Speaker 15: in Bay of Islands High school musicals, and I knew

821
00:43:45,253 --> 00:43:48,293
Speaker 15: as Arangitai as a young person, that this was my

822
00:43:48,453 --> 00:43:51,253
Speaker 15: place in the world. I couldn't be an actor at

823
00:43:51,293 --> 00:43:53,613
Speaker 15: the end of the seventies because I had no role models,

824
00:43:54,413 --> 00:43:57,253
Speaker 15: and as a woman, my career options were a secretary, teacher,

825
00:43:57,333 --> 00:44:00,653
Speaker 15: or nurse. So I trained as a nurse and you know,

826
00:44:00,933 --> 00:44:04,773
Speaker 15: but and qualified and I got back into acting because

827
00:44:04,813 --> 00:44:07,173
Speaker 15: that's what was in my heart, that is my passion.

828
00:44:08,053 --> 00:44:10,533
Speaker 15: So to now be a role model for all of

829
00:44:10,653 --> 00:44:14,733
Speaker 15: those And there is an incredibly extraordinary amount of Polynesian

830
00:44:14,853 --> 00:44:17,733
Speaker 15: talent here in New Zealand and then the South Pacific.

831
00:44:17,813 --> 00:44:19,693
Speaker 15: And what we have going for us as a nation

832
00:44:20,493 --> 00:44:23,453
Speaker 15: is this is the largest Polynesian city in the world.

833
00:44:24,293 --> 00:44:29,173
Speaker 15: It's our most unique Our Polynesian heritage, our cultures is

834
00:44:29,293 --> 00:44:32,773
Speaker 15: what makes our country unique and different.

835
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Speaker 2: So let's let's celebrate the Yeah. I just feel like

836
00:44:37,813 --> 00:44:40,093
Speaker 2: there's a you were speaking about threads, right, and I

837
00:44:40,173 --> 00:44:41,973
Speaker 2: feel like you can step it out right. You can

838
00:44:42,053 --> 00:44:45,533
Speaker 2: go from Taky to through to Once Warriors, all the

839
00:44:45,573 --> 00:44:49,653
Speaker 2: way through to Muana today, like there is a consistent

840
00:44:49,773 --> 00:44:54,213
Speaker 2: line there. Yes, and like you think about the last

841
00:44:54,853 --> 00:44:58,853
Speaker 2: four decades, say that is an amazing progression.

842
00:44:59,253 --> 00:45:03,053
Speaker 15: Don't you think it's an incredible progression? And it's it's

843
00:45:03,133 --> 00:45:06,413
Speaker 15: it's it's like a fucker Poppa ye it's all I

844
00:45:06,573 --> 00:45:09,693
Speaker 15: lead to this moment in time, and all of us

845
00:45:09,773 --> 00:45:12,493
Speaker 15: working on Muana, we have no doubts that we've all

846
00:45:12,573 --> 00:45:16,293
Speaker 15: been called to this moment in time because this is huge.

847
00:45:17,133 --> 00:45:20,693
Speaker 15: It's going to be the biggest Polynesian film in the world,

848
00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:25,613
Speaker 15: and we've all risen to it. And as I shared

849
00:45:25,693 --> 00:45:28,333
Speaker 15: with our young cast and crew, you know, there's a

850
00:45:28,373 --> 00:45:31,173
Speaker 15: great multifucker Toky, which means I'm not the strength of one,

851
00:45:31,253 --> 00:45:33,893
Speaker 15: but I'm the strength of many. So with me comes

852
00:45:33,973 --> 00:45:39,133
Speaker 15: all my Tupuna Kawiti, my father, my friends, Taki Doua,

853
00:45:39,413 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 15: all the my mentors who everybody who invested in me

854
00:45:44,213 --> 00:45:47,453
Speaker 15: to become the actor that I am today. I stand

855
00:45:47,493 --> 00:45:50,213
Speaker 15: there with all of them. So we are a big

856
00:45:50,333 --> 00:45:54,093
Speaker 15: part of this fabric. And I have enormous confidence in

857
00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:59,973
Speaker 15: our at our future generations watch out, because they're growing

858
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Speaker 15: up with things that the likes of my generation didn't

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Speaker 15: all out of the wardrobes. Thank goodness, because these are

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Speaker 15: make about Once We're Warriors is still relevant. Is that

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Speaker 15: all of the things that were portrayed in this film

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Speaker 15: year to violence, you know, these things, sexual abuse, these

867
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Speaker 15: issues are still happening. And that's the privilege of being

868
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Speaker 15: an artist, as you get to try your best to

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Speaker 15: represent a slice of humanity. And I knew this film

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Speaker 15: right back when I read the book. I thought, wow,

871
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Speaker 15: because my generation and generations before me, my mother's are

872
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Speaker 15: other generations. They didn't have domestic violence outreaches to go to.

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Speaker 15: They suffered in silence till death. Do you apart?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 10: So it's a.

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Speaker 15: Profound privilege to be a storyteller. I am indebted to

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Speaker 15: Anne Mitchell in London and the Actors' Institute in London,

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Speaker 15: you know, I found my place. I belonged because growing

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883
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884
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Speaker 15: beaten and bullied because I think a lot of our

885
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Speaker 15: creatives and our hyper sensitive children, we're easy targets. For bullies,

886
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Speaker 15: you know. So just the only thing I'd like to

887
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Speaker 15: leave with our young listeners is you can't be what

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Speaker 15: And so I'm thankfully thanks to people like Tuket institutions

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Speaker 15: and giving Maldy and Polynesians and Pakia everyone opportunities to

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894
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Speaker 15: It's where mouldidum is Marai is our theater. We come out,

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Speaker 15: we come out what's our first language, Jack Week, come

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Speaker 15: out screaming and crying. And here's the irony. Me being

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Speaker 15: so emotional as a kid was not easy on my

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Speaker 15: mother Yea, or some of my brothers and sisters. But

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Speaker 15: the irony is is now I get paid to right.

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Speaker 2: It is such a pleasure to speak. Honestly, we could

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Speaker 2: go all day. Congratulations on Moana, which you're about to

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Speaker 2: leave to but also thank you so much for the

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Speaker 2: story that you have helped to tell with Taky Dour

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Speaker 2: as well. It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 15: Thank you, Jack and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Hockey that is Rena Owen tuky Do is going to

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Speaker 2: past ten.

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Speaker 1: Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack

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Speaker 1: Day and vpure dot Co. Do ont inst for high

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Speaker 2: He'd be twenty six ars ten. You're a Jack Taime

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Speaker 2: on news Talks. He'db Jack, What an incredible woman. That

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Speaker 2: was an inspiring interview. Thank you, Thank you. Ninety two

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Speaker 2: ninety two. If you want to send us a message

917
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Speaker 2: this morning, it is screen Timetime Tara Awards our screen

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Speaker 2: time expert here with her three shows to recommend to

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Speaker 2: us this weekend. Hey Tara, good morning. Let's begin with

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Speaker 2: a show on Neon tell us about Joan.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: This is a great new British crime thriller and it's

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Speaker 16: based on a true story about a woman who became

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Speaker 16: the most notorious jewel thief in Britain during the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 16: And her name was Joan Hannington and she's played here

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Speaker 16: by Sophie Turner from Game of Thrones, who is fantastic

927
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Speaker 16: in this. Joan is a young mother in her twenties

928
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Speaker 16: when she leaves her violent husband and goes to London

929
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Speaker 16: where she tries to find a job at a home

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Speaker 16: for her daughter. It's not easy, and she talks her

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Speaker 16: way into getting a job in a jewelry shop. Joan

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Speaker 16: is someone who knows an opportunity when she sees one.

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Speaker 16: She's very clever and smart, and she decides to steal

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Speaker 16: some loose diamonds and then has this chance meeting with

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Speaker 16: an antiques stealer and they team up to sell on

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Speaker 16: these jewels and become this force to be reckoned with

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Speaker 16: within the organized crime world in Britain. And it's a

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Speaker 16: real rags to rich's tail and a lot of fun

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Speaker 16: to watch. Joan is this great anti hero. She's a

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Speaker 16: good person who makes some bad decisions, but you're always

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Speaker 16: on her side. She gets to wear all these different disguises,

942
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Speaker 16: she gets to be a lot of different people. And

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Speaker 16: the show has gone really hard on recreating the eighties

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Speaker 16: with the costumes and the set music. It's just fabulous

945
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Speaker 16: and it's such an incredible story and they've recreated it

946
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Speaker 16: in a very entertaining, very bingeable way.

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Speaker 2: I really like this one awesome. Okay, that's Joan. That's

948
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Speaker 2: on Neon on Disney plus Last Days of the Space Age.

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Speaker 16: This is a new Australian drama and a bit like Joan.

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Speaker 16: This is a drama set in quite a nostalgic time

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Speaker 16: in place. This is set in Western Australia in the

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Speaker 16: late nineteen seventies and it's about three families who live

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Speaker 16: in the same suburb and it takes place against these

954
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Speaker 16: two big events that actually happened. One was the Miss

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Speaker 16: Universe competition coming to Perth in nineteen seventy nine and

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Speaker 16: the other was the US space station Skylab crashing to

957
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Speaker 16: the ground near town. So the show takes these two

958
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Speaker 16: big world events and places them against these the lives

959
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Speaker 16: of these suburban families, and it's looking back on that

960
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Speaker 16: time with some rose tinted glasses on. This is very nostalgic.

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Speaker 16: It's quite a gentle show. It's trying to say a

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Speaker 16: lot of different things about Australian society at that time,

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Speaker 16: and I'm not sure it completely pulls it off. It's

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Speaker 16: almost trying to do too much. But if you like

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Speaker 16: a warm, gentle, nostalgic TV series that takes you back

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Speaker 16: to a certain time of place.

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Speaker 3: This will do that.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it's a Disney show, but I feel like

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Speaker 16: this would fit in really well in sort of a

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Speaker 16: TV one Sunday night kind of slot. It's that kind

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Speaker 16: of vibe. And it has this great cast as well.

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Speaker 16: There's some amazing acting talent in here. Radha Mitchell, Jesse Spencer, Mailman,

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Speaker 16: Ed Glenn So there's a lot of talent here and

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Speaker 16: they really lift the show.

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Speaker 2: It's nice, okay, cool and on Neon. Brilliant Minds.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, this is the latest American medical drama that's just

977
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Speaker 16: come to Neon. And if you love shows like House

978
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Speaker 16: the Good Doctor, I know that's a favorite one of yours, Jack,

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Speaker 16: you'll love the Brilliant Minds. And so often with these

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Speaker 16: kinds of medical shows, you have this genius, brilliant doctor

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Speaker 16: at the center of it who's a bit of a

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Speaker 16: renegade or who uses unorthodox methods, and you know, we'll

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Speaker 16: do whatever it takes to crack those and serious cases

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Speaker 16: exactly that keeps turning up at the hospital. And this

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Speaker 16: is another one of those shows. It's inspired by a

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Speaker 16: real neurologist and the main character is doctor Oliver Wolfe,

987
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Speaker 16: who in the first five minutes of the show, smuggles

988
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Speaker 16: and Alzheimer's patient out of hospital takes him on a

989
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Speaker 16: motorbike to his granddaughter's wedding where he doesn't recognize anyone,

990
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Speaker 16: but he still sings at the wedding because he can

991
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Speaker 16: remember music and song. And Doctor Oliver is that kind

992
00:53:02,413 --> 00:53:04,413
Speaker 16: of guy. He will break the rules if it means

993
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Speaker 16: he can connect with his patients a different way, even

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Speaker 16: if it gets some fired. So you know, it's a

995
00:53:09,413 --> 00:53:11,733
Speaker 16: great little medical drama. It's one of those cases by

996
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Speaker 16: the case of the Week kind of shows. Yeah, so

997
00:53:14,893 --> 00:53:16,733
Speaker 16: it's not doing anything new, but very.

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Speaker 2: Watchable, nice cool. So that's Brilliant Minds. That's on Neon.

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00:53:19,773 --> 00:53:22,573
Speaker 2: Joan is also on Neon. That's the British crime series,

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Speaker 2: and Last Days of the Space Age is on Disney

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Speaker 2: Plus Atara. I excuse my forgetfulness, but I should have

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Speaker 2: asked immediately, is everything okay your place because you're in

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Speaker 2: you're in Otaga right, Yes.

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Speaker 16: We're in Ternedin. We're very lucky. Everything's fine here and

1005
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Speaker 16: the rain has stopped, which is great after about forty

1006
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Speaker 16: eight hours of solid rain, so that's really good news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we're thinking of everyone who's been affected, and

1008
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Speaker 2: hoping that people whose houses have been evacuated can go

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Speaker 2: home soon. But thank you so much for your recommendations

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Speaker 2: this morning as well. We'll put all of those up

1011
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Speaker 2: on the news talks HEV website before eleven o'clock. What

1012
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Speaker 2: to do if you find yourself with a surprise win fall,

1013
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Speaker 2: if you win lotto, come to a big inheritance, you

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Speaker 2: don't what to do with all that money. It's a

1015
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Speaker 2: problem I would like to have, but it is a problem.

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Speaker 2: It is a problem, So we'll give you some advice

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Speaker 2: very soon.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 1: on news talks.

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Speaker 4: Be you've seen enough to know how deep we're but

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Speaker 4: with you, fair, but with you we have come through

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Speaker 2: This is Louis Baker. Ah that voice, that voice. He's

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Speaker 2: one of New Zealand's highest profile independent artists, a soul sensation,

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Speaker 2: a hometown favorite in Wellington. He's known for blending his

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Speaker 2: retro influences with modern sonics and he's just got that

1027
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Speaker 2: timeless voice. It's beautiful anyway. He's just about to set

1028
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Speaker 2: off on a massive UK and European tour, and he's

1029
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Speaker 2: just dropped some fresh tunes before he goes. It's his

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Speaker 2: first time that he has produced an EP as a

1031
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Speaker 2: solo producer as well. So anyway, we're going to take

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Speaker 2: a bit more of a listen to some of Louie

1033
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Speaker 2: Baker's new music and we'll catch up with our music reviews.

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Speaker 2: She's going to give us her thoughts before midday today. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks for your feedback. Jack, what an amazing orator. Renna

1036
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Speaker 2: owner is one of the best, if not the best ever.

1037
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Speaker 2: Such a talent. Jack. That was an absolutely fabulous interview

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Speaker 2: with Thank you so much as Catherine Jack omg Rena. Wow, wow, wow,

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Speaker 2: thank you ninety two ninety two. If you want to

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Speaker 2: send us a message twenty five to eleven non news talks,

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Speaker 2: he'd be putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, some Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: The report out in Sydney into their new metro line. Now,

1044
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Speaker 17: this is the twenty one billion dollar behemoth and was

1045
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Speaker 17: going to transform allegedly Sydney public transport and it seems

1046
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Speaker 17: at first report to be working. Now the trouble with

1047
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Speaker 17: transport here Wellington famously hopelessly the bus has went up

1048
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Speaker 17: the wrong streets, ran out of gas, never turned up

1049
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Speaker 17: in the first place. Now they'll claim all that's fixed

1050
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Speaker 17: now Auckland buses have been hit and this forever, I

1051
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Speaker 17: mean our kids over the years eventually refused to go

1052
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Speaker 17: on a bus at all for the simple reason they

1053
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Speaker 17: literally took up. The trains are permanently canceled still for

1054
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Speaker 17: never ending schedules of maintenance. So the theory has never

1055
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Speaker 17: met the reality. And in that consistency and ensuing reputation

1056
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Speaker 17: for reliability is the real answer for the public transport conundrums.

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Speaker 17: Back Monday, from six am, the Mike asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: the Jaguar spage used talk ZB twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two minutes to eleven non news Talk ZEDBU with Jack

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Speaker 2: tame So. In the United States, America's biggest news website,

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Speaker 2: CNN's website has just started rolling out its paywall. Texbert

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Speaker 2: Paul Stenhouse is here with the details. Gout of Paul.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, this has been I guess a long time coming, actually, Jack,

1064
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Speaker 18: because we've been seeing CNN's viewership on TV.

1065
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Speaker 19: Fall and fall and fall over the years.

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Speaker 18: And the big question is how do you pay for

1067
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Speaker 18: such an expansive news operation? Because when they go to

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Speaker 18: something this is a crazy start, right, I want to

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Speaker 18: see any anchors said in an interview that when they

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Speaker 18: went to each of the Republican national Conventions and the

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Speaker 18: Democrat National Convention, CNN.

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Speaker 19: Sent three hundred people. Three hundred people. Now that's just

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Speaker 19: one event. Think of all of the news events going

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Speaker 19: on in the United States and around the world.

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Speaker 18: And they used to do it by obviously these massive

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Speaker 18: TV ratings and getting all these big fees from all

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Speaker 18: the cable providers and that type of thing.

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Speaker 19: It's gone away, and so CNN has been grappling with

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Speaker 19: what do you do?

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Speaker 18: They aren't getting enough money from advertising on their news website,

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Speaker 18: and so now they've started rolling out a paywall. We've

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Speaker 18: assumed this is coming why because CNN CEO is a

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Speaker 18: new guy who came from a place called The New

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Speaker 18: York Times, where he rolled out a paywall via and

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Speaker 18: basically it's become the envy of the news industry over here.

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Speaker 18: They've got ten million digital subscribers who are basically paying

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Speaker 18: for the Times journalism. CNN currently has one hundred and

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Speaker 18: seventeen million unique viewers each month on their digital platforms,

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Speaker 18: so they will really be hoping they can try to

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Speaker 18: convert as many of those as they can to fuel

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Speaker 18: their whole operation. Yeah moment, they're not doing it for everybody.

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Speaker 18: They're rolling it out in a very slow, slow way,

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Speaker 18: just like The Times did. Actually targeting the most heavy

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Speaker 18: users of seen in dot com at the moment, only

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Speaker 18: in the United States, and they're asking them to pay four.

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Speaker 19: Bucks a month for access. Right, Okay, they're starting, that's

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Speaker 19: their starting.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm. Interesting that they've decided to do it now, right,

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Speaker 2: And I get it, making news, especially video news, is

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Speaker 2: super super expensive. But what's your sense as a news

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Speaker 2: junkie and a tech junkie. Do you reckon this is

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Speaker 2: going to work?

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Speaker 19: I mean, they have to do something right. It worked

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Speaker 19: for The Times, but it worked.

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Speaker 11: For the Time.

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Speaker 18: Very different though, because The Times has gone into a

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Speaker 18: whole lot of other categories that you can subscribe to cooking.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, recipes, yeah, wordle and all games yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 18: Seeing's really tricky and especially just before an election, they

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Speaker 18: say that they are going to give you additional perks

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Speaker 18: if you're one of the subscribers, to get access to

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Speaker 18: things that other people might not. C and M's biggest

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00:59:19,933 --> 00:59:22,333
Speaker 18: challenge is people turn to see him. When there's big

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Speaker 18: stories going on, people stem tend to stick with the

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Speaker 18: times day in and day out. That's the challenge.

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Speaker 19: But they've got the guy for the job. If he's

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00:59:31,733 --> 00:59:33,693
Speaker 19: done it once, that's true, that's true, says maybe he

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00:59:33,773 --> 00:59:34,293
Speaker 19: can do it again.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be very interesting to see how that

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Speaker 2: works out. Thanks Paul. That's our Textbert Paul Stenhouse before

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock when the garden rude climb past has the

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00:59:41,533 --> 00:59:43,933
Speaker 2: things you need to get in the ground now, your tomatoes,

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Speaker 2: your spuds ahead of the spring and summer ahead. Right

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Speaker 2: now is nineteen to eleven.

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Speaker 4: A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and Bepwart

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Speaker 1: dot co dot nzen for high quality Supplements used Talks.

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Speaker 2: MB seventeen to eleven, which means it's time to talk

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Speaker 2: personal finance. Lisa Dudson's here Kelder morning Jack. Well, we're

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Speaker 2: calling this a problem, but really, is it so such

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Speaker 2: a problem If you have a sudden win fall, if

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Speaker 2: you come into sudden money. It's put it this way,

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Speaker 2: it's the kind of problem I would like to have. Lisa, Yes, but.

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Speaker 3: You're reason resceptible with money jack. So it's really interesting

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01:00:18,853 --> 01:00:22,413
Speaker 3: because when you look at the steps around the people

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Speaker 3: that win lotto, for instance, and how many have still

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Speaker 3: got their money years later, it's actually quite standing. A

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Speaker 3: lot of people lose it because they don't I can't

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Speaker 3: really understand what to do with it in the relationship

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Speaker 3: between how much money they've got and what the spin

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Speaker 3: then actually means. So you know, I think that your

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Speaker 3: best advice is to subviosly take a brief celebrate, don't

1143
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Speaker 3: you carried away? And then you know the next step

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Speaker 3: is going to get some professional advice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And what would you advise someone who had

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Speaker 2: come into a significant whinfo all come into sudden money?

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Speaker 2: What would you advise them to do once they had

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a moment, How should they assess

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Speaker 2: what decisions to make going forward?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I think you know, absolutely go on to assertiably

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Speaker 3: qualify financial advisor. I can give you some guidance and

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01:01:03,693 --> 01:01:06,733
Speaker 3: some of you can respect and connect them. Otherwise you

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01:01:06,813 --> 01:01:08,413
Speaker 3: might kind of not listen to them and dismiss the

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Speaker 3: mind it forgive you. And then it's about thinking about

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Speaker 3: your current financial position and your current life and then

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Speaker 3: go what would you actually like to achieve and what

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Speaker 3: do you think would be the best use of your

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Speaker 3: wom for And then you can go to you know,

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Speaker 3: to a professional and go, okay, this is what I think.

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Speaker 3: What are the best options that are.

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Speaker 10: Available to me?

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Speaker 3: Because we don't know what we don't know, right, And

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Speaker 3: there's often lots of options, and some of them have

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Speaker 3: fishalos and some of them relate to better to your

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Speaker 3: persons circumstances and bolves than what they would to someone else's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I can imagine, I can imagine there is

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Speaker 2: a bit of a risk in going two ways. Right,

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Speaker 2: So you hear about those horror stories you hear about

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Speaker 2: someone who won millions of dollars or the classic ones,

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Speaker 2: a professional athlete, right who gets he heads of money

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Speaker 2: and then years later is somehow you know, Boris Becker

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Speaker 2: or something is in some dire financial situation. But then

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Speaker 2: I suppose there's also a risk that people who aren't

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Speaker 2: used to having money are so conservative that actually they

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Speaker 2: miss out on some of the opportunities that having that

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Speaker 2: windfull might provide them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I mean it's a huge risk, and you

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Speaker 3: know you do.

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Speaker 10: There's a clasic.

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Speaker 3: Example about professional skills and also to a lot of

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Speaker 3: professional sports it as an example, are quite young, so

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Speaker 3: they they don't really have a lot of life experience.

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Speaker 3: But it comes back to having a financial advisor that

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Speaker 3: you can actually that you like and respect because they

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Speaker 3: can actually be your guide through this journey and how

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Speaker 3: you manage your money effectively and hopefully stop you from

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Speaker 3: doing dumblings, which is what a lot of people do

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Speaker 3: when they get some winnfle And I think the other

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Speaker 3: challenge too is a lot of people who come knocking

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Speaker 3: on the door. Your friends and family suddenly become your

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Speaker 3: best friends and either want payouts or try to give

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Speaker 3: you advice on their very limited knowledge as they actually have,

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Speaker 3: and they continue down the garden.

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Speaker 2: So what would you tell people to do then? If someone,

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Speaker 2: if someone secretly came into or it wasn't publicized, came

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Speaker 2: into a large sum of money, would you tell them

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Speaker 2: not to tell anyone?

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Speaker 3: I think I would tell them to be careful about

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Speaker 3: who they told and about how they displayed their wealth. Yes, right,

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Speaker 3: because auditioning it out and having been parties and all

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Speaker 3: the rest of it comes might go on which they're

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Speaker 3: pretty free with it and come knocking. So I think

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Speaker 3: it comes back to being sensible. It's such an amazing

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Speaker 3: opportunity when you do get at the sun windful that

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Speaker 3: you want to be smart with how you use it,

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Speaker 3: and like if you invest it, why wisely you might

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Speaker 3: pay off a mortgage, you might have a great overseas holiday.

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Speaker 3: And then if you invest at Winsley, then you've got

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Speaker 3: money for the rest of your life and the potentially

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Speaker 3: can grow and help more people rather than just giving

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Speaker 3: it away straight away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, you go.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, you know, often the

1215
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Speaker 3: challenges is that when you haven't earned it and done

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Speaker 3: the hard yards, often people can be quite free with.

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Speaker 2: Money, right okay, Yeah, and there'd be much more loosey

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Speaker 2: goosey than they would have been if they'd been paying

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Speaker 2: tax on their earnings for forty years to get to

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Speaker 2: that position, yeah, and grasping.

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Speaker 7: It out because then they know the value of that.

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Speaker 3: Whereas when you could get this large sum of money

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Speaker 3: getting between when you're young and you go great, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: first class travel around the world. And it also is

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Speaker 3: around the context of how much you were the ones

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Speaker 3: all right, if it's five hundred thousand, that's one because

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Speaker 3: that might be enough to play off you more, which

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Speaker 3: if you live in all plats right where if it's

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Speaker 3: five million, that's different, that's different context around it. So

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Speaker 3: it all comes down to the amount where you are

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Speaker 3: now what you want to do, and you've just been

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01:04:32,333 --> 01:04:35,053
Speaker 3: taking a breath and getting some good advice and you're

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Speaker 3: not doing dumb stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's really really good advice.

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Speaker 14: Lee.

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Speaker 2: So I think what we will do is just because

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Speaker 2: I know listeners will be really interested in this, if

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Speaker 2: there's anyone out there right now who would like to

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Speaker 2: invest in me so that we can get a real

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Speaker 2: life kind of example of how this might work. I

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Speaker 2: think Lisa and I are both when you say that

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01:04:50,653 --> 01:04:52,733
Speaker 2: we're open to that. You know, we we can follow

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Speaker 2: this through the different stages. I can share my progress.

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01:04:55,253 --> 01:04:57,173
Speaker 2: Perhaps that could be a little option for anyone listening

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great idea because you know it's tough

1247
01:05:01,413 --> 01:05:03,693
Speaker 3: for people sometimes, you know, they don't know where to

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01:05:03,773 --> 01:05:07,733
Speaker 3: go for you to talk to, right yod it's super important.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Lisa. That is Lisa duds And yea, if you

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01:05:09,813 --> 01:05:11,453
Speaker 2: have five million dollars that you want to give me,

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01:05:12,013 --> 01:05:13,973
Speaker 2: ninety two ninety two is the best place to start.

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Speaker 2: Send us a text. I can assure you that my

1253
01:05:17,693 --> 01:05:21,173
Speaker 2: wonderful producer, Libby will immediately get in touch. Leven to eleven.

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Speaker 2: You're a Jacktaime on news Talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 4: News.

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Speaker 2: You can trust this this morning, Hi Google.

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Speaker 12: Hi Jack. That was a bit of a throwback to

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Speaker 12: the nineteen seventies. Google Stephenson.

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I said, did I say Dogle Stephenson?

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Speaker 12: You were thinking about that? You were thinking about the

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Speaker 12: news I.

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Speaker 2: Was thinking about I was thinking about broadcasters who define

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Speaker 2: what it means to have gravitas, Google, That's what I

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01:05:48,493 --> 01:05:51,373
Speaker 2: was thinking about. I was thinking about the silky voices

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Speaker 2: that have that have illustrated momentous moments in our nation's

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Speaker 2: history and yours.

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Speaker 12: Just you know, right, yeah, right, you wriggled yourself out

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Speaker 12: of there.

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01:06:00,253 --> 01:06:04,013
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for that part. Yeah, it's a very common thing.

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Speaker 12: It's a very common thaing.

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Speaker 19: Do you get there?

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Speaker 4: Do you get that a lot?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:06:06,933 --> 01:06:08,093
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do, Yeah, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 12: People particularly, yeah, particularly people who are you know, who

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Speaker 12: remember Google Stevenson from the news, will often because my

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01:06:14,973 --> 01:06:17,293
Speaker 12: name is so similar, Google Southerm and Google Stevenson up

1278
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Speaker 12: so similar, and people go on Google with Stevenson.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it like, Yeah, well no, not quite that old,

1280
01:06:21,453 --> 01:06:25,013
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, that's right anyway. Hey, So, so the

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Speaker 2: latest tranch of census data has been released this week

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Speaker 2: and there were some really interesting numbers. Heaps of different

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Speaker 2: subjects covered, but there was a lot of data on

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Speaker 2: how we are working, and so one in six New Zealanders,

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Speaker 2: according to the latest data, are now working from home.

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Speaker 2: But the number of people working from home most of

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Speaker 2: the time has increased almost sixty percent between twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty three. That just shows you, what, you know,

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Speaker 2: what the pandemic has done for the way in which

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Speaker 2: we work. What did you Was that at all surprising

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Speaker 2: to you that those kind of numbers.

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Speaker 12: No, I don't think so, you know, it's it's so

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Speaker 12: much of it has been prevalent since since COVID. But

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Speaker 12: it's interesting because the history of working from home like

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01:07:11,373 --> 01:07:14,453
Speaker 12: takes back way before COVID. I like to think it

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Speaker 12: was kind of the best kept secret prior to COVID. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: and then people discovered it and went, well, look at

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Speaker 12: this crazy thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and me.

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Speaker 12: Included like, I'd never done it before and it was

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Speaker 12: a little tricky, but yeah, over COVID and it's just yeah,

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Speaker 12: and it's just so, So it doesn't surprise me that

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Speaker 12: that those that number is really about the number of

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Speaker 12: people doing it. Yeah, And look, I think it's a

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Speaker 12: good thing, not working from home full time. But i'd

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Speaker 12: staatenly claim on saying that hybrid working is the best

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Speaker 12: for people's well being and the best for people's productivity.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've said before that for me personally, a hybrid

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01:07:50,853 --> 01:07:52,813
Speaker 2: model works really well. I like being in the office.

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Speaker 2: I really love engaging with people, but I also love

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Speaker 2: being able to If I've got to focus on something

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Speaker 2: where I need to read a lot and I need

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Speaker 2: to be on detail, I need to not be interrupted

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Speaker 2: every two minutes, then working from home is fantastic. So

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Speaker 2: I try and do it one day, one day week

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Speaker 2: I can, if I can, so talk to us about

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01:08:09,733 --> 01:08:13,093
Speaker 2: that change, because you know that, like you say, working

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01:08:13,133 --> 01:08:17,493
Speaker 2: from home has become more common after COVID, but research

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Speaker 2: in this space has been underway for decades.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it has been. I mean it really kicked off

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01:08:24,413 --> 01:08:27,053
Speaker 12: obviously after COVID and during COVID because so many of

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01:08:27,133 --> 01:08:29,933
Speaker 12: us started doing it. But people that have been researching

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01:08:29,973 --> 01:08:32,413
Speaker 12: this area for twenty years or so, and then there

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01:08:32,493 --> 01:08:34,813
Speaker 12: has been some really good New Zealand research too. Like

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Speaker 12: you know, often we go, oh, well that's overseas, it

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01:08:36,733 --> 01:08:40,213
Speaker 12: won't work here. But Jared harr Out of Massy Uni, yeah,

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Speaker 12: has consistently studied us for about the last four years,

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Speaker 12: and all the research really points to that mix. As

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Speaker 12: you noted, really that hybrid model, you know, one two

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Speaker 12: three days maybe at home and the other you know

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01:08:52,653 --> 01:08:56,053
Speaker 12: two three days at work is really the best model

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Speaker 12: you get that you get that that lovely mix of

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Speaker 12: still socially interacting and team involvement and collaboration, but also

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Speaker 12: the opportunity to have some more focused time. But also

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Speaker 12: people talk about the work life balance, you know, when

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Speaker 12: you're at home, Like this is for me personally. I

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Speaker 12: work from home maybe two days a week, two or three,

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Speaker 12: and when I'm at home, I just feel like I

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Speaker 12: just feel more relaxed. I get a lot. To be honest,

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Speaker 12: I probably get more work done when I'm at home

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Speaker 12: than I do at work. Comes really more productive, even

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Speaker 12: though I am getting up and doing the washing and

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01:09:29,253 --> 01:09:31,253
Speaker 12: taking the dogs for the walk and all that kind

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Speaker 12: of thing. Yeah, but it's way more effective than either

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01:09:36,853 --> 01:09:38,973
Speaker 12: one hundred percent at home or one hundred percent in

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Speaker 12: the office.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to us about those options. So what are

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Speaker 2: the disadvantages for working from home one hundred percent of

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, the disadvantage of that is that those people tend

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01:09:50,973 --> 01:09:57,053
Speaker 12: to report more isolation, you know, lower mood, which is

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01:09:57,093 --> 01:10:01,693
Speaker 12: probably collected to the isolation and the potential to overwork

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01:10:01,813 --> 01:10:06,853
Speaker 12: and burn out. And that's possibly because lots of us

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01:10:06,933 --> 01:10:09,253
Speaker 12: when we work at home, you know, you tend to

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01:10:09,373 --> 01:10:12,293
Speaker 12: start earlier in the morning because you don't have to

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Speaker 12: do a commute ye and then you tend to go

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Speaker 12: later into the evening because there isn't that there aren't

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01:10:18,173 --> 01:10:20,773
Speaker 12: no social cues around you to say, okay, it's the

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Speaker 12: end of the day and you just woh, I'll just

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Speaker 12: do this a little bit more and all of that's

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Speaker 12: six thirty and you think, gee, I should have finished

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Speaker 12: about half an hour ago. So that's that's the working

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01:10:28,933 --> 01:10:31,373
Speaker 12: from home full time, and the working from the office

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Speaker 12: full time isn't in terms of productivity, we just lose

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01:10:35,893 --> 01:10:40,173
Speaker 12: productivity when we're in the office full time. You know,

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01:10:40,453 --> 01:10:43,173
Speaker 12: we get interrupted, we go out for coffee, you know,

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Speaker 12: we have those water cooler chat and those things are important.

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Speaker 12: I'm not trying to say that those are a waste

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01:10:49,893 --> 01:10:52,693
Speaker 12: of time. They are important, but if you do them

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01:10:52,773 --> 01:10:55,693
Speaker 12: too much, you end up not being super productive because

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Speaker 12: there's lots of interruptions and you stop, start and all

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01:10:58,733 --> 01:11:01,973
Speaker 12: those sorts of things. So yeah, one hundred percent either

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01:11:02,013 --> 01:11:04,253
Speaker 12: way is not great that but that it's the Goldilock

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01:11:04,333 --> 01:11:06,693
Speaker 12: so principle. I guess it's that right sweet spot in

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01:11:06,733 --> 01:11:07,093
Speaker 12: the middle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally. I mean, like I said, works for me.

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Speaker 2: So if there, if you were to be critical, is

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01:11:12,413 --> 01:11:15,933
Speaker 2: there any disadvantage to the Goldilocks model, any disadvantage to

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Speaker 2: the to the hybrid model.

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Speaker 12: Possibly not for the people though who are able to

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Speaker 12: do it. A disadvantage is that some people can't work

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01:11:27,453 --> 01:11:30,853
Speaker 12: from home. Their jobs don't allow us. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 12: if you're a tradee it's kind of difficult. It's kind

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01:11:34,173 --> 01:11:36,613
Speaker 12: of difficult to be a plumber and work from home

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01:11:36,693 --> 01:11:41,013
Speaker 12: on somebody else's plumbing. And it can have the potential

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01:11:41,133 --> 01:11:43,373
Speaker 12: even within a workplace, like if some people in a

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01:11:43,453 --> 01:11:45,973
Speaker 12: workplace can work from home and some can't, it can

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01:11:46,133 --> 01:11:49,173
Speaker 12: have the sense of almost two classes of workers and

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Speaker 12: one who are sort of well, we can work from home,

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Speaker 12: and the others who can't and that can create a

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01:11:54,093 --> 01:11:56,973
Speaker 12: bit of division. I think there are probably clever ways

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Speaker 12: around that, but I think that is that is a

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Speaker 12: bit of a downside. Are those are those people that

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01:12:02,253 --> 01:12:03,733
Speaker 12: don't have the opportunity to do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said Hey, thanks Dogle. That is Google Sutherland,

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01:12:08,373 --> 01:12:10,813
Speaker 2: who is of course with Umbrella Well Being, will put

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Speaker 2: all of his tips there and thoughts. I'm working from

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Speaker 2: home on the news talks he b website. Thanks for feedback.

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Speaker 2: We've had gazillions of messages and texts and emails and

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Speaker 2: everything throughout the morning. So we started the show by

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01:12:22,493 --> 01:12:25,533
Speaker 2: talking about Diego Garcia, which is this little atoll in

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01:12:25,653 --> 01:12:27,733
Speaker 2: the Indian Ocean. I reckon if you were to draw

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01:12:27,813 --> 01:12:31,573
Speaker 2: line that's kind of directly under India, basically halfway across

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01:12:31,733 --> 01:12:35,893
Speaker 2: the Indian Ocean between Tanzania and Indonesia. That's where Diego

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01:12:35,973 --> 01:12:39,093
Speaker 2: Garcia has got a really mixed history, no indigenous people,

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01:12:39,893 --> 01:12:43,573
Speaker 2: but had people who were the descendants of slaves living

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01:12:43,613 --> 01:12:46,213
Speaker 2: there for several hundred years. They all got shipped off

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Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties because the UK and the US

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01:12:48,493 --> 01:12:53,013
Speaker 2: wanted to build a mega and very secret military base there.

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Speaker 2: In the decades since, I think Only a couple of

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01:12:56,133 --> 01:12:58,093
Speaker 2: journalists have ever been able to visit. You're not allowed

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01:12:58,093 --> 01:13:00,213
Speaker 2: to go there as a tourist. The only people there

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01:13:00,253 --> 01:13:03,133
Speaker 2: are working on the base. And anyway, this week the

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Speaker 2: UK announced that sovereignty for Diego Garcia would be passing

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Speaker 2: back to Mauritius. Mauritius had had a claim on Diego

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Speaker 2: Garcia for many years. It's been the subject of terse negotiations.

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Speaker 2: The military base is going to stay for at least

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Speaker 2: the next one hundred years, but technically Mauritius does have

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01:13:21,653 --> 01:13:26,693
Speaker 2: sovereignty over Diego Garcia. Anyway, many of you have flicked

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Speaker 2: us notes about about that this morning. Jack absolutely loved

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Speaker 2: your little editorial this morning. Regarding maps. There is a

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01:13:34,333 --> 01:13:38,253
Speaker 2: great little shop in christ Church, tucked anonymously behind two

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01:13:38,373 --> 01:13:40,733
Speaker 2: car yards at the western end of Morehouse, have holding

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01:13:40,773 --> 01:13:42,573
Speaker 2: on by the tips of its fingers to stay afloat.

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01:13:43,613 --> 01:13:47,093
Speaker 2: I suspect it's the map fanatics like you of this world,

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01:13:47,213 --> 01:13:50,493
Speaker 2: the armchair travelers and the topography nerds that provide it

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01:13:50,533 --> 01:13:54,093
Speaker 2: with economic sustenance. In one of my frequent forays, I

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Speaker 2: discovered the pocket Atlas of Remote Islands by Judith Lansky

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01:13:58,053 --> 01:14:06,293
Speaker 2: Clipperton Atoll, Floriana, Diego, Garcia, Bouvet, Deception, Tromelion. The lists

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01:14:06,453 --> 01:14:09,933
Speaker 2: so goes on this wee gem is subtitled fifty Islands

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01:14:09,973 --> 01:14:12,733
Speaker 2: I've not visited and never will. Let the map viewers

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01:14:12,813 --> 01:14:16,093
Speaker 2: of the world rejoice, says Ann. That's a great little tip.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen that book, the Pocket Outlass of Remote Islands. Indeed,

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01:14:20,293 --> 01:14:23,653
Speaker 2: it is a beautiful little book. And I believe you're

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01:14:23,693 --> 01:14:26,453
Speaker 2: talking about map World. I can tell you I've spent

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01:14:26,493 --> 01:14:28,373
Speaker 2: a bit of time in map World over the years.

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01:14:28,573 --> 01:14:30,813
Speaker 2: Love me some map World. Is map World New Zealand's

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01:14:30,813 --> 01:14:35,733
Speaker 2: only dedicated map shop. I think it might be. Would

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01:14:35,773 --> 01:14:38,053
Speaker 2: be delighted to be wrong on that, but I think

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01:14:38,093 --> 01:14:40,213
Speaker 2: it might be New Zealand's only dedicated map shop. So

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01:14:40,333 --> 01:14:42,813
Speaker 2: thank you very much for that. Ninety two ninety two

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01:14:42,933 --> 01:14:44,973
Speaker 2: if you want to send us a message and a

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01:14:45,053 --> 01:14:47,053
Speaker 2: couple of minutes on news Talks B we are turning

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01:14:47,173 --> 01:14:50,013
Speaker 2: our attention to another island. It's another island in the

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01:14:50,093 --> 01:14:53,333
Speaker 2: Indian Ocean. It is a little more populated, it is

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01:14:53,373 --> 01:14:56,133
Speaker 2: a little more regularly visited. It's maybe a little bit

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01:14:56,253 --> 01:14:59,293
Speaker 2: less mysterious, but no less enjoyable to visit. We're looking

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01:14:59,333 --> 01:15:02,093
Speaker 2: at Sri Lanka in a couple of minutes. Seventeen past eleven.

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Speaker 2: Good news. It isn't just Map World. Great news are

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01:15:11,613 --> 01:15:14,533
Speaker 2: the Map and Chart shop in Hamilton as well. There's

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01:15:14,533 --> 01:15:16,453
Speaker 2: a dedicated map shop. So New Zealand has at least

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01:15:16,493 --> 01:15:19,973
Speaker 2: two dedicated map shops. I know Marke Yardley, our travel correspondent,

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01:15:20,013 --> 01:15:21,733
Speaker 2: will have been to Map World a few times over

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Speaker 2: the years.

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Speaker 10: Good morning, definitely, Jack, Yes, good morning. You can beat

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01:15:26,333 --> 01:15:26,973
Speaker 10: a good map.

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01:15:27,373 --> 01:15:29,133
Speaker 2: You just cannot beat a good map. I just I

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01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:31,373
Speaker 2: love it. You know what I was thinking before, Maybe

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01:15:32,053 --> 01:15:37,253
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe should libraries have more maps? Should they?

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01:15:37,413 --> 01:15:42,213
Speaker 10: You know, there's a little debate. That is the debate

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01:15:42,493 --> 01:15:44,413
Speaker 10: you need to have leading Q and eight mine.

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01:15:45,573 --> 01:15:47,653
Speaker 2: That is the debate that people need. Hey, we've been

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01:15:47,693 --> 01:15:50,813
Speaker 2: talking about various remote islands this morning in the Indian Ocean,

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01:15:50,933 --> 01:15:54,573
Speaker 2: both the kurgel And Islands and the and Diego Garcia.

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01:15:54,693 --> 01:15:57,613
Speaker 2: But we are focusing on something that is a little

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Speaker 2: more populated, Colombo and gaul In, Sri Lanka and Sri

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01:16:02,093 --> 01:16:04,613
Speaker 2: Lunka's I mean, it's had its troubles of late. Did

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Speaker 2: you find it to be a welcoming place?

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Speaker 10: One hundred percent? Yeah, from go to Wa, all all

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01:16:09,373 --> 01:16:11,973
Speaker 10: I calls I encountered were just so welcome and warm

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01:16:12,133 --> 01:16:14,773
Speaker 10: out going, quite curious. When I mentioned I was from

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01:16:14,853 --> 01:16:17,813
Speaker 10: New Zealand, the reflectsive response check even though the black

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01:16:17,853 --> 01:16:22,053
Speaker 10: Caps were in town, was all blacks? Really, I know,

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01:16:22,693 --> 01:16:24,213
Speaker 10: and I didn't know it would be.

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01:16:24,573 --> 01:16:24,973
Speaker 4: I know it.

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01:16:25,053 --> 01:16:28,013
Speaker 10: They're not exactly a jug and aught of a rugby nation,

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01:16:28,173 --> 01:16:32,253
Speaker 10: are they not yet? But yeah, that's true. Yeah, it

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01:16:32,373 --> 01:16:34,453
Speaker 10: was all blacks. And then the other thing they mentioned

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01:16:34,533 --> 01:16:37,213
Speaker 10: was anchor milk. I love the anchor milk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you do, you do get there sometimes.

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Speaker 2: My one was always the anchor butter. You know, like

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01:16:42,333 --> 01:16:44,293
Speaker 2: you go through you're traveling through the Caribbean and someone

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01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:46,453
Speaker 2: will say, oh, New Zealand, I love anchor butter.

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01:16:46,693 --> 01:16:46,893
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: But I was actually really pleased to see that tourism

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01:16:51,733 --> 01:16:54,373
Speaker 10: is bouncing back in Sri Lanka because, as you will know,

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Speaker 10: the previous government they were as corrupt as hell. They

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Speaker 10: bankrupted the nation. I've now got a new government and

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01:17:02,133 --> 01:17:05,333
Speaker 10: they're on this sort of anti corruption drive at the moment,

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01:17:05,613 --> 01:17:07,973
Speaker 10: yeare very welcoming place for a tourist.

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Speaker 2: So how did Colombo strike strike you? What were your impressions?

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01:17:12,573 --> 01:17:17,373
Speaker 10: Remarkably cleaner than India's big city. And I'm a bit

1495
01:17:17,413 --> 01:17:20,373
Speaker 10: of an obsessive when it comes to street lister jack

1496
01:17:20,533 --> 01:17:23,733
Speaker 10: and I was just so pleased, so surprisingly pleased to

1497
01:17:23,813 --> 01:17:28,293
Speaker 10: see the Sri Luankan capital so clean, very green heart

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01:17:28,933 --> 01:17:32,253
Speaker 10: hundreds of enormous banion and feakest trees which are just stunning.

1499
01:17:33,773 --> 01:17:36,733
Speaker 10: And I just love that max of new world glam

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01:17:36,853 --> 01:17:39,493
Speaker 10: and old world tradition. You know it just jockles for

1501
01:17:39,573 --> 01:17:43,213
Speaker 10: your attention in Colombo, soundtracks by Talk Talk, centered by

1502
01:17:43,293 --> 01:17:46,373
Speaker 10: spicy food. What more could you want? Really? Yeah, the

1503
01:17:46,613 --> 01:17:49,413
Speaker 10: shining new confection. By the way, in Colombo is this

1504
01:17:50,173 --> 01:17:54,093
Speaker 10: incredible structure called the Lotus Tower, and it's like a

1505
01:17:54,213 --> 01:17:58,333
Speaker 10: torch and it's crowned with this big bulbous flower shaped top.

1506
01:17:58,653 --> 01:18:01,533
Speaker 10: It's high than the Sky Tower and at night or

1507
01:18:01,973 --> 01:18:04,333
Speaker 10: over the city, you can see the light show from

1508
01:18:04,933 --> 01:18:08,813
Speaker 10: the Lotus Tower. So they that and also so many

1509
01:18:08,933 --> 01:18:12,333
Speaker 10: colonial buildings they've retained a huge stat of them and

1510
01:18:12,373 --> 01:18:17,013
Speaker 10: they're all like stone sirens to the respective as eras

1511
01:18:17,053 --> 01:18:19,413
Speaker 10: of Portuguese Dutch and British rule.

1512
01:18:19,893 --> 01:18:22,173
Speaker 2: Is the population mainly Buddhist.

1513
01:18:22,533 --> 01:18:29,013
Speaker 10: Yeah apparently, but quite sizeable populations of Catholics, Hindu and Muslims.

1514
01:18:29,293 --> 01:18:34,053
Speaker 10: And I mean starting with the Buddhist architecture. There was

1515
01:18:34,093 --> 01:18:37,853
Speaker 10: this magnificent temple in Colombo called gangor ung A Maya,

1516
01:18:38,213 --> 01:18:41,933
Speaker 10: and my goodness, it's like Buddhist to Baroq. It is

1517
01:18:42,093 --> 01:18:44,653
Speaker 10: just bling bling and you just go there and you

1518
01:18:44,773 --> 01:18:48,413
Speaker 10: watch these lovely devotees take their colorful lotuses, put them

1519
01:18:48,453 --> 01:18:51,253
Speaker 10: in front of the body. Then they light the oil

1520
01:18:51,373 --> 01:18:55,253
Speaker 10: lamps and their jostics. It's all very zen. I actually

1521
01:18:55,333 --> 01:18:57,813
Speaker 10: went to Saint Joseph's Church, the Catholic church as well.

1522
01:18:58,173 --> 01:19:01,053
Speaker 10: You may recall that was the scene of that horrendous

1523
01:19:01,213 --> 01:19:05,253
Speaker 10: Easter Sunday terrorist bombing about five years ago. Just the

1524
01:19:05,373 --> 01:19:08,093
Speaker 10: most amazing church. And then just down the road in

1525
01:19:08,253 --> 01:19:14,253
Speaker 10: the Petta shopping district, Jamie or Alpha Mosque. My godness,

1526
01:19:14,573 --> 01:19:17,973
Speaker 10: I thought I'd send some amazing masks. This thing is

1527
01:19:18,053 --> 01:19:23,613
Speaker 10: a show stopper, vivid candy striped minarets, the most ornate

1528
01:19:23,813 --> 01:19:28,173
Speaker 10: Arabesque interiors. It is just a jaw dropper. Definitely add

1529
01:19:28,253 --> 01:19:28,813
Speaker 10: that to the check.

1530
01:19:29,213 --> 01:19:30,653
Speaker 2: Nice is it good street food?

1531
01:19:31,573 --> 01:19:36,613
Speaker 10: Really? Good yet. Down on the Colombo beachfront green around twilight,

1532
01:19:36,773 --> 01:19:39,733
Speaker 10: they fire up the food carts and I fell in

1533
01:19:39,773 --> 01:19:44,573
Speaker 10: love with a classic dish called koto routi or koto

1534
01:19:45,133 --> 01:19:49,773
Speaker 10: roti sorry, which is your chopped roty with curried chickens,

1535
01:19:49,853 --> 01:19:55,813
Speaker 10: scrambled eggs, chili and onions, so delicious. I acquainted myself

1536
01:19:55,893 --> 01:20:00,973
Speaker 10: Jack with isowaddy iso waddy, which are dal fritters topped

1537
01:20:01,053 --> 01:20:04,013
Speaker 10: with spicy prawns, and the locals just live on those

1538
01:20:04,093 --> 01:20:09,293
Speaker 10: things and chowd down on string hoppers. These are those

1539
01:20:09,573 --> 01:20:13,133
Speaker 10: rice flowed steam noodles and they serve them with gravy

1540
01:20:13,413 --> 01:20:18,013
Speaker 10: and pole sambol, which is a combination of freshly grated

1541
01:20:18,133 --> 01:20:22,093
Speaker 10: coconut Chlott's chili and lime juice. And I mean they

1542
01:20:22,213 --> 01:20:24,693
Speaker 10: have the hoppers or around the day. It's likely every

1543
01:20:24,773 --> 01:20:25,373
Speaker 10: day breakfast.

1544
01:20:25,493 --> 01:20:26,693
Speaker 3: But that that that.

1545
01:20:27,413 --> 01:20:30,733
Speaker 10: Sandbowl, the freshly grated coconut. Man, that's good.

1546
01:20:31,053 --> 01:20:34,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm one over. That's so.

1547
01:20:34,653 --> 01:20:35,013
Speaker 3: Am I right?

1548
01:20:35,053 --> 01:20:36,453
Speaker 2: And I'm putting on the spot here, am I right?

1549
01:20:36,453 --> 01:20:40,373
Speaker 2: Because they've changed the status of the capitol, right, The

1550
01:20:40,453 --> 01:20:43,853
Speaker 2: capital is now Sri Jaya wardener Pa quart or something

1551
01:20:43,933 --> 01:20:45,653
Speaker 2: I think is that? Yeah?

1552
01:20:47,413 --> 01:20:50,453
Speaker 10: Yea, if it's like an administrative capital.

1553
01:20:50,653 --> 01:20:53,333
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it's kind of adjacent to Colombo, now right, yeah, correct,

1554
01:20:54,013 --> 01:20:56,693
Speaker 2: So down the coast to Gaul. Did you catch it?

1555
01:20:57,733 --> 01:21:00,573
Speaker 10: I did. I was lucky in town to be in town. Well,

1556
01:21:00,653 --> 01:21:02,013
Speaker 10: I thought it was lucky, given.

1557
01:21:03,333 --> 01:21:05,253
Speaker 2: I was looking for you on TV. I didn't see you,

1558
01:21:05,333 --> 01:21:06,293
Speaker 2: but you must have picked up.

1559
01:21:06,613 --> 01:21:09,573
Speaker 10: Yeah, so funny you mentioned that, because yes, I was

1560
01:21:09,813 --> 01:21:14,413
Speaker 10: one of those said sex who went who went Dutch. Oh,

1561
01:21:15,453 --> 01:21:18,253
Speaker 10: I was standing on the ramparts of the fort, you know,

1562
01:21:19,133 --> 01:21:23,573
Speaker 10: free and fabulous. But it is such an amazing spectacle.

1563
01:21:24,053 --> 01:21:27,093
Speaker 10: And of course that's the grounds that Shane Warn helped

1564
01:21:27,213 --> 01:21:31,733
Speaker 10: resurrect after the Boxing Days tsunami. And these actually little

1565
01:21:31,893 --> 01:21:34,613
Speaker 10: notices you can still see how high the water rose

1566
01:21:34,653 --> 01:21:38,933
Speaker 10: and gall thirty meters in height around the crocket ground.

1567
01:21:39,253 --> 01:21:40,973
Speaker 10: Who are staggering three zero?

1568
01:21:41,773 --> 01:21:41,933
Speaker 5: Yes?

1569
01:21:42,493 --> 01:21:42,533
Speaker 18: What?

1570
01:21:43,613 --> 01:21:47,613
Speaker 10: Yes, seriously thirty meters isn't that amatable?

1571
01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:52,133
Speaker 2: It seems that's astonishing? Okay wow yeah yeah, so but.

1572
01:21:52,213 --> 01:21:53,933
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's such a gorgeous croocket ground.

1573
01:21:54,013 --> 01:21:54,173
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1574
01:21:54,253 --> 01:21:57,093
Speaker 10: Thirty thousand Ancons died in that tsunami.

1575
01:21:57,533 --> 01:21:58,253
Speaker 4: That's so sad.

1576
01:21:58,533 --> 01:22:01,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and like you say that the ground

1577
01:22:01,093 --> 01:22:04,213
Speaker 2: that has been resurrected in the years following. Is I

1578
01:22:04,253 --> 01:22:06,893
Speaker 2: mean one of the one of the most picturesque grounds

1579
01:22:06,893 --> 01:22:09,813
Speaker 2: in the world. Is the fortified Old Town as good

1580
01:22:09,853 --> 01:22:11,213
Speaker 2: in the flesh as it looks on Telly.

1581
01:22:12,373 --> 01:22:15,493
Speaker 10: Great question because I thought, oh, you know what TV's like,

1582
01:22:15,733 --> 01:22:19,173
Speaker 10: But it is such a jewel jacket. Really is amazing,

1583
01:22:19,373 --> 01:22:22,373
Speaker 10: And it takes a good two hours to circumnavigate the

1584
01:22:22,493 --> 01:22:25,373
Speaker 10: walls of the fort town and that town is just

1585
01:22:25,693 --> 01:22:31,253
Speaker 10: jammed packed with whitewashed buildings and terracotta reef tops, endlessly exotic.

1586
01:22:31,653 --> 01:22:34,213
Speaker 10: It's the sort of sensation you get as you wander around.

1587
01:22:34,693 --> 01:22:37,613
Speaker 10: What blew me away about those fort walls. It's how

1588
01:22:37,693 --> 01:22:40,013
Speaker 10: they were built the Dutch when they took over from

1589
01:22:40,053 --> 01:22:44,613
Speaker 10: the Portuguese. They mined the reef just offshore for the rock.

1590
01:22:45,293 --> 01:22:48,773
Speaker 10: So are you walking down the remparts, you can see

1591
01:22:48,853 --> 01:22:53,373
Speaker 10: the shells still in the rock from the reef and

1592
01:22:53,533 --> 01:22:55,733
Speaker 10: for the view of use. There's this place on the

1593
01:22:55,813 --> 01:22:59,613
Speaker 10: ramparts called flag Rock, and the biggest buy from the

1594
01:22:59,653 --> 01:23:03,213
Speaker 10: street venders there is something I'd never come across before.

1595
01:23:03,773 --> 01:23:07,933
Speaker 10: A slice of fresh papya with a sprinkling of chili powder.

1596
01:23:08,693 --> 01:23:11,973
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because they do the mango with chili. You know,

1597
01:23:12,093 --> 01:23:15,053
Speaker 2: that's the mango chili. How did papia and chili go?

1598
01:23:15,853 --> 01:23:18,453
Speaker 10: Yeah, well yeah, I mean I always think mango is sweeter,

1599
01:23:18,693 --> 01:23:22,573
Speaker 10: but the fresh papiya with the chili was really good. Yeah,

1600
01:23:22,613 --> 01:23:24,173
Speaker 10: it was like the perfect balance.

1601
01:23:24,373 --> 01:23:27,213
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, very very good. Yeah'd but be happy

1602
01:23:27,253 --> 01:23:28,733
Speaker 2: to give that a crack. What about the beaches?

1603
01:23:29,653 --> 01:23:31,973
Speaker 10: Yeah, well I can now well believe why some people

1604
01:23:32,093 --> 01:23:34,533
Speaker 10: head to Gore, not to the crickets, but for the beaches,

1605
01:23:34,693 --> 01:23:40,733
Speaker 10: because they are just so stupendously inst the perfection ofly

1606
01:23:40,973 --> 01:23:44,933
Speaker 10: brilliant Jungle beach really good. The one I would recommend though,

1607
01:23:45,053 --> 01:23:48,653
Speaker 10: is Una Watuna Beach because it's banana shaped, you know,

1608
01:23:48,733 --> 01:23:51,613
Speaker 10: it's just that perfect present and it's all soft blonde

1609
01:23:51,653 --> 01:23:54,493
Speaker 10: sands and crystal clear waters. It always pulls the crowd.

1610
01:23:54,853 --> 01:23:56,253
Speaker 10: It will just chum your pants off.

1611
01:23:56,373 --> 01:23:59,493
Speaker 2: Yeah nice, it sounds wonderful. Thank you, Mike. So we'll

1612
01:23:59,493 --> 01:24:02,413
Speaker 2: put all of Mike's tips for visiting Colombo and Gaul

1613
01:24:02,533 --> 01:24:04,573
Speaker 2: and Sri Lanka up on the news talks He'd website.

1614
01:24:04,573 --> 01:24:07,453
Speaker 2: We put everything up there from our show. So if

1615
01:24:07,453 --> 01:24:10,813
Speaker 2: you've got any questions about the TV shows that we're recommending,

1616
01:24:11,013 --> 01:24:13,493
Speaker 2: our film picks for the week, music, all that good

1617
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Speaker 2: stuff all goes on the website, News talks atb dot

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Speaker 2: co dot nzed forward slash Jack Jack. Good morning. I've

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01:24:19,373 --> 01:24:23,933
Speaker 2: been to Diego, Garcia twice, says says David on my

1620
01:24:24,053 --> 01:24:26,533
Speaker 2: way to and from Somalia in nineteen ninety three while

1621
01:24:26,573 --> 01:24:29,133
Speaker 2: peacekeeping this. I mean, there's another fascinating part of the world, David,

1622
01:24:29,573 --> 01:24:32,213
Speaker 2: Great Island, absolutely loved it, bloody hot. No one told

1623
01:24:32,293 --> 01:24:36,053
Speaker 2: us what they actually did there. There are huge satellite dishes.

1624
01:24:36,413 --> 01:24:38,653
Speaker 2: Love you show, Thank you David ninety two, ninety two.

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Speaker 1: Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

1628
01:24:49,053 --> 01:24:50,933
Speaker 1: team on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 4: Give me one.

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1631
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Speaker 20: mean in or one is a wish from me?

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Speaker 5: Did you.

1633
01:25:11,573 --> 01:25:14,293
Speaker 2: Do JEDV you with Jack tame after mid day today,

1634
01:25:14,373 --> 01:25:16,253
Speaker 2: Jason Pine is in the hot seat for weekends for

1635
01:25:16,493 --> 01:25:19,493
Speaker 2: more than a poney. Hello there, Jack. So the white

1636
01:25:19,533 --> 01:25:21,613
Speaker 2: ferns have two things around a little bit. I was

1637
01:25:21,653 --> 01:25:23,973
Speaker 2: feeling I was feeling a little bit pessimistic heading into

1638
01:25:23,973 --> 01:25:25,573
Speaker 2: the start of the Woman's Tea twenty World Cup. I

1639
01:25:25,613 --> 01:25:27,173
Speaker 2: know we're only one game deep, so there's no point

1640
01:25:27,213 --> 01:25:29,773
Speaker 2: getting too excited just yet. But a comprehensive victory over

1641
01:25:29,853 --> 01:25:30,813
Speaker 2: India this morning.

1642
01:25:30,893 --> 01:25:33,493
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think pessimism was justified. Ten straight losses in

1643
01:25:33,533 --> 01:25:35,733
Speaker 21: the format against good teams. You know that's not the

1644
01:25:35,813 --> 01:25:37,453
Speaker 21: kind of film you what's going on to doom and

1645
01:25:37,493 --> 01:25:39,853
Speaker 21: gloomy em I don't think you are, no, but I

1646
01:25:39,973 --> 01:25:42,373
Speaker 21: think we can. We can celebrate this. One hundred and

1647
01:25:42,453 --> 01:25:44,853
Speaker 21: sixty for four plays, one hundred and two all out.

1648
01:25:44,933 --> 01:25:49,053
Speaker 21: That's a comprehensive twenty twenty victory led by Sophie Devine

1649
01:25:49,133 --> 01:25:50,933
Speaker 21: with what fifty seven not out of thirty six. And

1650
01:25:50,973 --> 01:25:53,293
Speaker 21: then our pace bowl is Rosebary mayor lea to who

1651
01:25:53,293 --> 01:25:56,333
Speaker 21: who taking the wickets? Really good start. And look if

1652
01:25:56,333 --> 01:25:58,773
Speaker 21: we learned anything from the Men's Tea twenty Cricket World Cup,

1653
01:25:58,813 --> 01:26:00,773
Speaker 21: what was that back in last year. You've got to

1654
01:26:00,773 --> 01:26:03,973
Speaker 21: start these tournaments well otherwise you just don't progress. So

1655
01:26:04,413 --> 01:26:07,453
Speaker 21: that there's two groups of five, only the top two

1656
01:26:07,493 --> 01:26:10,093
Speaker 21: go through to the semis. Australia are in our group,

1657
01:26:10,213 --> 01:26:12,773
Speaker 21: so clearly they're going to be pretty competitive. Beating India

1658
01:26:12,853 --> 01:26:15,893
Speaker 21: this morning. That's an upset India we favorite. I checked

1659
01:26:15,893 --> 01:26:18,013
Speaker 21: the odds last night before I went to bed. India

1660
01:26:18,053 --> 01:26:20,373
Speaker 21: were firm favorite. So its a very good result.

1661
01:26:20,613 --> 01:26:23,693
Speaker 2: Comprehensive victory as well. It was Yeah, it was pretty

1662
01:26:23,733 --> 01:26:25,253
Speaker 2: one sided it to be perfectly honest. So what are

1663
01:26:25,293 --> 01:26:26,533
Speaker 2: you planning for us this afternoon?

1664
01:26:27,093 --> 01:26:29,693
Speaker 21: Well, speaking of cricket, we've got a new Test captain

1665
01:26:29,693 --> 01:26:31,613
Speaker 21: in the men's game, Tom Latham. He's going to lead

1666
01:26:31,653 --> 01:26:33,573
Speaker 21: us off after midday. Keen to chat to him about

1667
01:26:33,653 --> 01:26:36,373
Speaker 21: how this came about, whether there will be any awkwardness

1668
01:26:36,413 --> 01:26:39,773
Speaker 21: around him replacing Tim Soudy, if indeed Tim Southy continues

1669
01:26:39,853 --> 01:26:42,093
Speaker 21: in the Test site, and what his strategy is to

1670
01:26:42,173 --> 01:26:43,053
Speaker 21: take this team forward.

1671
01:26:43,133 --> 01:26:44,653
Speaker 2: And also this afternoon.

1672
01:26:44,813 --> 01:26:47,213
Speaker 21: Cam roy Guard is back on the rugby field two

1673
01:26:47,213 --> 01:26:49,493
Speaker 21: o'clock this afternoon, Well won't be there because he's on

1674
01:26:49,573 --> 01:26:52,893
Speaker 21: the bench, but for Counties against Manawatu six months after surgery.

1675
01:26:53,013 --> 01:26:55,693
Speaker 21: On a ruptured to tell Attendon Cam roy Guard's back.

1676
01:26:55,973 --> 01:26:57,573
Speaker 21: I said, mate, can we chat this afternoon? And he

1677
01:26:57,573 --> 01:26:59,373
Speaker 21: said yeah, I've been out before kickoff, but I'll take

1678
01:26:59,413 --> 01:27:02,573
Speaker 21: the call. So can Royguard after one o'clock on his

1679
01:27:02,693 --> 01:27:06,653
Speaker 21: recovery and hopefully his return if he gets through this afternoon. Okay,

1680
01:27:07,053 --> 01:27:08,733
Speaker 21: then I think he's on the plane on you know,

1681
01:27:08,813 --> 01:27:09,573
Speaker 21: for the Northern tour.

1682
01:27:09,733 --> 01:27:12,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another thing, this thing, right. They were all going, yeah,

1683
01:27:12,973 --> 01:27:18,413
Speaker 2: you just just just get through today, unscap. How are

1684
01:27:18,453 --> 01:27:20,453
Speaker 2: you feeling about I know you're going to be speaking

1685
01:27:20,453 --> 01:27:22,933
Speaker 2: of Tom Nathan, but how are you feeling about the transition?

1686
01:27:22,973 --> 01:27:24,613
Speaker 2: Because you know, it was really interesting hearing from Mike

1687
01:27:24,613 --> 01:27:26,773
Speaker 2: Heson earlier this week who felt like, actually the Tim

1688
01:27:26,853 --> 01:27:29,693
Speaker 2: Soudy situation this season had not been handled as well

1689
01:27:29,733 --> 01:27:31,733
Speaker 2: as it might have been, and that he felt like

1690
01:27:31,933 --> 01:27:34,733
Speaker 2: maybe a better option would have been to make a

1691
01:27:34,773 --> 01:27:36,333
Speaker 2: transition with the Cat and Sy at the start of

1692
01:27:36,413 --> 01:27:39,653
Speaker 2: the season, you know, as as opposed to a couple

1693
01:27:39,693 --> 01:27:40,253
Speaker 2: of games deep.

1694
01:27:40,813 --> 01:27:43,773
Speaker 21: I agree, but yeah, always, I've always, you know, liked

1695
01:27:43,813 --> 01:27:46,213
Speaker 21: and respected Mike Hessen's views, and I think he's deard right.

1696
01:27:46,253 --> 01:27:49,093
Speaker 21: When you send a team to the sub Continent, you

1697
01:27:49,213 --> 01:27:51,373
Speaker 21: know that you're probably only going to play two pace

1698
01:27:51,453 --> 01:27:54,533
Speaker 21: bowlers in the test matches, and it's got to be

1699
01:27:54,573 --> 01:27:56,813
Speaker 21: your fastest guy and your best guy, and Tim Soudy

1700
01:27:56,933 --> 01:27:58,613
Speaker 21: is neither of those two things at the moment. Matt

1701
01:27:58,653 --> 01:28:02,453
Speaker 21: Henry is his form against Australia in the home summer.

1702
01:28:02,493 --> 01:28:05,333
Speaker 21: What seventeen wickets he got? Then then he doesn't play

1703
01:28:05,373 --> 01:28:08,453
Speaker 21: against Sri Lanka because Tim Soudi's the captain. This kind

1704
01:28:08,453 --> 01:28:11,053
Speaker 21: of had to happen. I think what I hope now, Jack,

1705
01:28:11,173 --> 01:28:14,173
Speaker 21: is that I almost hope that Tim Soudy doesn't go

1706
01:28:14,253 --> 01:28:16,853
Speaker 21: to India, but then freshens up, gets ready in place

1707
01:28:16,933 --> 01:28:19,173
Speaker 21: the three home Test matches against England, which I think

1708
01:28:19,213 --> 01:28:22,653
Speaker 21: he still justifies as place four in a four prong

1709
01:28:22,733 --> 01:28:25,813
Speaker 21: seam attack. And maybe that's a Swan song. Maybe, you know,

1710
01:28:25,973 --> 01:28:29,733
Speaker 21: maybe he's eighteen wickets short of four hundred. You know,

1711
01:28:29,853 --> 01:28:33,493
Speaker 21: he's our second most prolific behind Sir Richard Fresh and Upton.

1712
01:28:33,893 --> 01:28:35,613
Speaker 21: Have a bit of time out and then get ready

1713
01:28:35,613 --> 01:28:38,733
Speaker 21: for home Test matches in seam friendly conditions, try and

1714
01:28:38,773 --> 01:28:40,453
Speaker 21: bring up the four hundred and go out a hero

1715
01:28:40,613 --> 01:28:44,413
Speaker 21: because he's been a tremendous cricketer for US, an absolutely

1716
01:28:44,533 --> 01:28:48,333
Speaker 21: brilliant part of a sustained period of success. Totally agree

1717
01:28:48,413 --> 01:28:49,853
Speaker 21: he deserves to go out on top and I hope

1718
01:28:49,893 --> 01:28:50,133
Speaker 21: he does.

1719
01:28:50,293 --> 01:28:52,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with that very much. Looking forward

1720
01:28:52,453 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 2: to the show this afternoon. Thank you. Jason Pine will

1721
01:28:55,133 --> 01:28:57,893
Speaker 2: be behind the Mic right after the midday news. Before midday,

1722
01:28:57,893 --> 01:28:59,773
Speaker 2: we're going to play you that new music from Louis Baker.

1723
01:28:59,813 --> 01:29:01,813
Speaker 2: Next up, Sally Rooney's got a new book out. We'll

1724
01:29:01,813 --> 01:29:05,373
Speaker 2: tell you all about it. Twenty three to twelve on newstalksz'db.

1725
01:29:06,453 --> 01:29:07,533
Speaker 4: Wait to kick off your weekend.

1726
01:29:07,693 --> 01:29:11,333
Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and bepure

1727
01:29:11,373 --> 01:29:14,933
Speaker 1: dot co dot nzi for high quality supplements used talk ZMB.

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01:29:15,213 --> 01:29:17,293
Speaker 2: It is just coming up to twenty to twelve. Katherine

1729
01:29:17,333 --> 01:29:20,013
Speaker 2: Rain's out book reviewer has here with what might be

1730
01:29:20,093 --> 01:29:23,253
Speaker 2: the most keenly anticipated new book of this year. Hey Catherine,

1731
01:29:23,693 --> 01:29:27,013
Speaker 2: Hey Jack, So tell us about Sally Rooney's Intimezzo.

1732
01:29:27,853 --> 01:29:30,373
Speaker 14: So this follows two brothers, Peter and Ivan, and I've

1733
01:29:30,453 --> 01:29:32,533
Speaker 14: just lost their father who had been battling cancer for

1734
01:29:32,653 --> 01:29:36,253
Speaker 14: many years, and their mother divorced their father years ago,

1735
01:29:36,293 --> 01:29:37,653
Speaker 14: and she's kind of present in the story but not

1736
01:29:37,733 --> 01:29:39,533
Speaker 14: particularly involved in their lives. That she's got a new

1737
01:29:39,613 --> 01:29:42,853
Speaker 14: husband and step children. And Peter's in his early thirties

1738
01:29:42,893 --> 01:29:45,093
Speaker 14: and he's a civil rights lawyer, and he's this very

1739
01:29:45,493 --> 01:29:47,773
Speaker 14: kind of cool presence about him, and he's actually juggling

1740
01:29:47,813 --> 01:29:50,533
Speaker 14: two relationships, one with Sylvia, his first love who he's

1741
01:29:50,533 --> 01:29:53,573
Speaker 14: stayed very close to, and Naomi, who's a college student

1742
01:29:53,573 --> 01:29:56,213
Speaker 14: who's very carefree attitude, and she makes money from her

1743
01:29:56,293 --> 01:29:59,293
Speaker 14: online following. And then is Ivan, and he's in his

1744
01:29:59,413 --> 01:30:02,333
Speaker 14: early thirties, and he was a chess prodigy and after

1745
01:30:02,373 --> 01:30:04,573
Speaker 14: a few years of dealing with his father's illness and

1746
01:30:04,693 --> 01:30:08,253
Speaker 14: struggling to find success again, both in his personal life

1747
01:30:08,293 --> 01:30:10,813
Speaker 14: and professionally, and he's quite socially awkward. He's almost the

1748
01:30:10,933 --> 01:30:13,933
Speaker 14: complete opposite of his older brother. And he's fallen in

1749
01:30:13,973 --> 01:30:16,453
Speaker 14: love with this older woman, Margaret, who's dealing with a divorce,

1750
01:30:16,573 --> 01:30:18,493
Speaker 14: and you know, she's not sure about their less than

1751
01:30:18,533 --> 01:30:23,813
Speaker 14: conventional romance. And the cracks of the story that is

1752
01:30:23,933 --> 01:30:26,373
Speaker 14: revolving around these two brothers and their respective in their

1753
01:30:26,453 --> 01:30:29,093
Speaker 14: lives and their inability to connect with each other after

1754
01:30:29,133 --> 01:30:31,773
Speaker 14: the loss of their father and the grief that it causes.

1755
01:30:31,933 --> 01:30:34,533
Speaker 14: And Peter's playing games with the woman's in his life

1756
01:30:34,613 --> 01:30:37,453
Speaker 14: and Ivan seeking solace and some old friends and chess,

1757
01:30:37,533 --> 01:30:40,253
Speaker 14: and both are in over their heads and they hurt

1758
01:30:40,293 --> 01:30:43,973
Speaker 14: themselves in each other. And the books divided into three parts,

1759
01:30:44,093 --> 01:30:47,253
Speaker 14: and Sally Rooney builds the tension just in in a

1760
01:30:47,933 --> 01:30:52,293
Speaker 14: very intense way. And the third part is the characters

1761
01:30:52,333 --> 01:30:55,173
Speaker 14: and storylines when the first two halves begin to meld together,

1762
01:30:55,573 --> 01:30:58,293
Speaker 14: and Peter's chapters are written in the stream of consciousness

1763
01:30:58,333 --> 01:31:01,453
Speaker 14: style and Ivan's chapters are real contrast to this, and

1764
01:31:01,573 --> 01:31:03,773
Speaker 14: you know, like how his mind works and very structured

1765
01:31:03,813 --> 01:31:07,653
Speaker 14: and methodical. And so we get this story that's also

1766
01:31:07,733 --> 01:31:10,293
Speaker 14: told with the background of social commentary around it as well,

1767
01:31:10,333 --> 01:31:14,293
Speaker 14: about wage labor and housing crisis and monetary power dynamics

1768
01:31:14,373 --> 01:31:18,293
Speaker 14: and religion and discussions about all sorts of different things.

1769
01:31:18,373 --> 01:31:21,573
Speaker 14: And it's beautifully told and very masterly Brittain and yet

1770
01:31:21,573 --> 01:31:23,293
Speaker 14: it's well worth a read.

1771
01:31:23,733 --> 01:31:26,733
Speaker 2: Sounds great, okay, cool. So that's INTIMESO by Sally Rooney.

1772
01:31:26,933 --> 01:31:28,733
Speaker 2: How do you reckon it compares to her other books?

1773
01:31:28,813 --> 01:31:33,093
Speaker 14: Catherine, Um, it would be one of would be one

1774
01:31:33,133 --> 01:31:35,773
Speaker 14: of the ones that I It's probably not my favorite,

1775
01:31:35,813 --> 01:31:38,893
Speaker 14: but it would probably be second or third in the rankings.

1776
01:31:39,013 --> 01:31:41,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very good. Okay. So next up The Siege

1777
01:31:41,773 --> 01:31:43,653
Speaker 2: by Ben mc by Ben McIntyre.

1778
01:31:44,533 --> 01:31:47,613
Speaker 14: So this is nonfiction and it starts in the spring

1779
01:31:47,653 --> 01:31:51,813
Speaker 14: of nineteen eighty when six armed gunmen storm the Iranian

1780
01:31:51,933 --> 01:31:55,333
Speaker 14: Armers MBSSY in London and take hostages and cause this

1781
01:31:55,653 --> 01:31:59,733
Speaker 14: very tense six days in which there's British priests and negotiators,

1782
01:31:59,813 --> 01:32:04,173
Speaker 14: intelligent agencies, the SAS and they scrambling to de escalate

1783
01:32:04,213 --> 01:32:09,533
Speaker 14: this very volatile situation that erupt and this small group

1784
01:32:09,613 --> 01:32:13,573
Speaker 14: of men who take these twenty six hostages captive, and

1785
01:32:13,653 --> 01:32:16,693
Speaker 14: there's amongst that is some BB bleck See employees and

1786
01:32:16,773 --> 01:32:19,173
Speaker 14: this British policeman, a guy called Trevor Locke, who worked

1787
01:32:19,213 --> 01:32:22,613
Speaker 14: at the embassy and at the perception at the time

1788
01:32:22,773 --> 01:32:25,093
Speaker 14: was that these were a very cleche Arab group of

1789
01:32:25,213 --> 01:32:28,253
Speaker 14: terrorists and they were actually mostly educated protesters who were

1790
01:32:28,333 --> 01:32:31,893
Speaker 14: against the regime of the alertekmen who had betrayed, who

1791
01:32:31,933 --> 01:32:35,253
Speaker 14: felt they'd betrayed their dreams of this independent Arabistan when

1792
01:32:35,293 --> 01:32:38,813
Speaker 14: the beautial bridgal regime of the Shah was overthrown, and

1793
01:32:38,933 --> 01:32:42,013
Speaker 14: they wanted Britain to take their side in the independence battle.

1794
01:32:42,733 --> 01:32:45,613
Speaker 14: And this not known by anybody at the time. This

1795
01:32:45,813 --> 01:32:49,573
Speaker 14: whole operation was bankrolled by said at the police secret

1796
01:32:49,573 --> 01:32:52,933
Speaker 14: police force of Sadam Hussein, and the operation was planned

1797
01:32:52,933 --> 01:32:55,693
Speaker 14: by two very notorious terrorists at the time, and of

1798
01:32:55,733 --> 01:32:58,613
Speaker 14: course this is all captured on live television as well,

1799
01:32:58,853 --> 01:32:59,693
Speaker 14: and it's just this.

1800
01:32:59,853 --> 01:33:00,213
Speaker 16: You get this.

1801
01:33:00,333 --> 01:33:02,893
Speaker 14: You know, you've got the police, negotiators, the rival protesters

1802
01:33:02,933 --> 01:33:07,533
Speaker 14: clashing outside the embassy six and the CIA and everybody's

1803
01:33:07,573 --> 01:33:11,653
Speaker 14: trying to rescue them. But inside there's Locke and there's

1804
01:33:11,693 --> 01:33:14,973
Speaker 14: fellow hostages who were trying to outwit and outflank their captors.

1805
01:33:15,573 --> 01:33:18,733
Speaker 14: And then on the sixth day after terrors, terrorists execute

1806
01:33:18,773 --> 01:33:21,053
Speaker 14: the embassy press attache and dumped his body on the

1807
01:33:21,093 --> 01:33:24,573
Speaker 14: front deilstep that sparks the essays ray, and you get

1808
01:33:24,653 --> 01:33:27,973
Speaker 14: this story of ordinary men and women under immense pressure,

1809
01:33:28,533 --> 01:33:32,573
Speaker 14: and Ben McIntyre is able to with the meticulous research

1810
01:33:32,613 --> 01:33:34,213
Speaker 14: that he's done, and you get the book that kind

1811
01:33:34,213 --> 01:33:37,733
Speaker 14: of conveys that tension inside and what happens between the

1812
01:33:37,813 --> 01:33:40,373
Speaker 14: hostages and the captors, and the volatile mood swings and

1813
01:33:40,453 --> 01:33:43,213
Speaker 14: what the public are thinking and the paranoia and all

1814
01:33:43,293 --> 01:33:45,373
Speaker 14: sorts of things that are going on, and you get

1815
01:33:45,413 --> 01:33:50,133
Speaker 14: this very fascinating historical narrative story that still has ramifications

1816
01:33:50,173 --> 01:33:53,933
Speaker 14: today and it's but well told. You feel like the

1817
01:33:54,093 --> 01:33:56,573
Speaker 14: parts of the story and the historical things all come together,

1818
01:33:56,613 --> 01:33:57,853
Speaker 14: and yeah, makes a very good read.

1819
01:33:57,973 --> 01:34:00,333
Speaker 2: This is awesome, Okay, cool, So that's The Siege by

1820
01:34:00,413 --> 01:34:03,493
Speaker 2: Ben McIntire. Catherine's first book, of course, is Intimatezo by

1821
01:34:03,693 --> 01:34:06,293
Speaker 2: Sally Rooney. Both of those will be on the website.

1822
01:34:06,533 --> 01:34:08,213
Speaker 2: New music from Louis Baker for you in a couple

1823
01:34:08,213 --> 01:34:09,493
Speaker 2: of minutes on news Talks, he'd be.

1824
01:34:09,773 --> 01:34:12,253
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to

1825
01:34:12,413 --> 01:34:15,413
Speaker 1: Us Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and befewre dot co

1826
01:34:15,573 --> 01:34:18,493
Speaker 1: dotence for high quality supplements Use Talks.

1827
01:34:18,533 --> 01:34:18,813
Speaker 3: It'd be.

1828
01:34:20,613 --> 01:34:28,933
Speaker 8: Expectations still fallow twice. It's hard, cold, sword, haptic and

1829
01:34:29,373 --> 01:34:32,333
Speaker 8: don't make it easy on all your card.

1830
01:34:32,973 --> 01:34:41,453
Speaker 4: All works hard, word hard.

1831
01:34:45,213 --> 01:34:49,693
Speaker 2: That is Louis Baker. That song's fool's expectation beautiful A.

1832
01:34:50,493 --> 01:34:53,773
Speaker 2: He's just released a new album it's called Medicine, and

1833
01:34:54,013 --> 01:34:56,573
Speaker 2: our music review at Stelle Clifford's been listening. She's with

1834
01:34:56,693 --> 01:34:59,053
Speaker 2: us this morning ten ark were good morning.

1835
01:34:59,733 --> 01:35:03,173
Speaker 22: And I am bringing all the soul vibes to you. Yeah,

1836
01:35:03,493 --> 01:35:07,373
Speaker 22: with our mate Louis Baker. So he has released his

1837
01:35:07,493 --> 01:35:10,453
Speaker 22: latest EP. It's called Medicine, and it's all in the

1838
01:35:10,533 --> 01:35:14,413
Speaker 22: title music is his remedy, which probably is something that

1839
01:35:14,453 --> 01:35:15,613
Speaker 22: can be said for quite a few of us.

1840
01:35:15,733 --> 01:35:16,333
Speaker 11: I reckon.

1841
01:35:18,013 --> 01:35:21,253
Speaker 22: And his this opener called Fool's Expectation, and it kind

1842
01:35:21,293 --> 01:35:25,573
Speaker 22: of has like this start without me terrifying you with

1843
01:35:25,613 --> 01:35:28,573
Speaker 22: my voice too much, but one of my beautiful starts

1844
01:35:28,613 --> 01:35:30,933
Speaker 22: are you're like, oh, this could be from a scene

1845
01:35:31,053 --> 01:35:34,813
Speaker 22: in dirty Dancing, like one of those sixties sort of

1846
01:35:34,893 --> 01:35:39,453
Speaker 22: swooty thongs, losing the scene and questioning themselves and having hope,

1847
01:35:39,533 --> 01:35:41,813
Speaker 22: but going all that all went to custom kind of things,

1848
01:35:41,813 --> 01:35:46,653
Speaker 22: you know, or maybe some cool sixties jazz soul kind

1849
01:35:46,693 --> 01:35:48,933
Speaker 22: of bar would be probably more how it would be,

1850
01:35:49,013 --> 01:35:52,573
Speaker 22: but that more modern production that we get with Louis

1851
01:35:52,573 --> 01:35:55,333
Speaker 22: and his arrangements, So there's lots of layering and then

1852
01:35:55,413 --> 01:35:58,533
Speaker 22: this real cool lyrical journey of sort of hope and

1853
01:35:58,573 --> 01:36:01,093
Speaker 22: loss and disappointment. And he does I mean, his voice

1854
01:36:01,293 --> 01:36:04,893
Speaker 22: is so you know, he can go for those really massive, huge,

1855
01:36:05,253 --> 01:36:08,893
Speaker 22: big voice not but actually for a lot of this EP,

1856
01:36:09,533 --> 01:36:13,053
Speaker 22: he keeps it quite subtle and quite I mean it

1857
01:36:13,093 --> 01:36:14,933
Speaker 22: sort of makes him mouth a little bit, doesn't it.

1858
01:36:14,933 --> 01:36:17,293
Speaker 22: You know, It's like it's really beautiful, and throughout that

1859
01:36:17,373 --> 01:36:21,133
Speaker 22: song it's really great. A lot of emphasis throughout the

1860
01:36:21,173 --> 01:36:24,573
Speaker 22: EP of that real thick, deep bassline, so making those

1861
01:36:24,653 --> 01:36:27,653
Speaker 22: beats and then the lush, rich vocals that come over

1862
01:36:27,853 --> 01:36:28,413
Speaker 22: that just seem to.

1863
01:36:28,453 --> 01:36:29,413
Speaker 11: Flow out of him.

1864
01:36:30,093 --> 01:36:32,253
Speaker 12: Is a really really great co lab.

1865
01:36:32,253 --> 01:36:37,093
Speaker 22: Worth Wellington singer artist Wallace. It's a song called Bean Gone,

1866
01:36:37,133 --> 01:36:39,973
Speaker 22: which has actually been placed in the top twenty on

1867
01:36:40,013 --> 01:36:40,893
Speaker 22: the EPRA Silver Scroll.

1868
01:36:41,373 --> 01:36:43,453
Speaker 6: Okay, but their voices just.

1869
01:36:43,693 --> 01:36:47,853
Speaker 22: Meld together, like they come together as one so beautifully,

1870
01:36:47,973 --> 01:36:51,253
Speaker 22: and she means she's a stellar artist anyway, so to

1871
01:36:51,333 --> 01:36:53,733
Speaker 22: see them co lab is really cool thing. There's a

1872
01:36:53,773 --> 01:36:57,493
Speaker 22: few of those psychedelic, trippy grooves kind of going on

1873
01:36:57,613 --> 01:37:00,373
Speaker 22: in some songs with that little record ta tat kind

1874
01:37:00,413 --> 01:37:03,173
Speaker 22: of drum thing that keeps you sort of moving because

1875
01:37:03,613 --> 01:37:05,053
Speaker 22: I don't want to make it sound like it's all

1876
01:37:05,253 --> 01:37:08,693
Speaker 22: slow and swayy, like. I think there's plenty of stuff

1877
01:37:08,693 --> 01:37:11,133
Speaker 22: in here where you could get up and can't help.

1878
01:37:11,013 --> 01:37:15,253
Speaker 11: But cut a couple of shapes. But also there are.

1879
01:37:15,173 --> 01:37:16,893
Speaker 22: Those songs that take you on that just really I

1880
01:37:16,973 --> 01:37:19,613
Speaker 22: guess it's medicine, right, He's trying to make you just reconnect,

1881
01:37:19,773 --> 01:37:22,733
Speaker 22: chill out. I think that it's like a woman brace.

1882
01:37:22,853 --> 01:37:26,053
Speaker 2: If I was going to sum it up like that, yeah, nice.

1883
01:37:26,093 --> 01:37:28,293
Speaker 22: Haven't I haven't had Louis Baker, but I imagine he's

1884
01:37:28,333 --> 01:37:28,853
Speaker 22: quite good at.

1885
01:37:30,933 --> 01:37:31,133
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1886
01:37:31,253 --> 01:37:33,813
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if his music is easy to go by,

1887
01:37:33,893 --> 01:37:36,893
Speaker 2: for sure, he's giving us yeah exactly.

1888
01:37:37,293 --> 01:37:37,333
Speaker 18: So.

1889
01:37:37,573 --> 01:37:39,653
Speaker 2: I mean it's interesting, right because, like you say, he's

1890
01:37:39,973 --> 01:37:41,373
Speaker 2: like when I think of his music, I do think

1891
01:37:41,413 --> 01:37:42,293
Speaker 2: of the kind of layering.

1892
01:37:42,453 --> 01:37:42,613
Speaker 5: Right.

1893
01:37:44,133 --> 01:37:46,453
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that he's the sole producer on

1894
01:37:46,533 --> 01:37:49,133
Speaker 2: this album, so and that you know, there's quite a

1895
01:37:49,773 --> 01:37:50,293
Speaker 2: it's quite.

1896
01:37:50,173 --> 01:37:53,013
Speaker 22: Distinct, yeah thing to take on, and it was his

1897
01:37:53,253 --> 01:37:54,773
Speaker 22: like he set himself a goal and that's what he

1898
01:37:54,813 --> 01:37:57,293
Speaker 22: wanted to achieve. And I think he's done a really

1899
01:37:57,453 --> 01:37:59,773
Speaker 22: beautiful job. I mean, he's worked with some incredible people

1900
01:38:00,093 --> 01:38:02,693
Speaker 22: through his career, so you must pick up so much.

1901
01:38:02,813 --> 01:38:04,933
Speaker 22: And I guess when you sit with some songs yourself

1902
01:38:05,133 --> 01:38:07,813
Speaker 22: as the sole producer, you get a chance to titoo

1903
01:38:07,853 --> 01:38:10,453
Speaker 22: around and play with how you think it should go.

1904
01:38:10,693 --> 01:38:14,573
Speaker 22: And he's done a really great job. I was expecting

1905
01:38:14,813 --> 01:38:18,013
Speaker 22: maybe not to have as much smooth production, you know,

1906
01:38:18,133 --> 01:38:21,453
Speaker 22: for someone picking it on just as himself, but he

1907
01:38:21,573 --> 01:38:24,013
Speaker 22: clearly knows what he's doing, no, and he's done some

1908
01:38:24,213 --> 01:38:26,213
Speaker 22: fun little stuff in there, and I think it's one

1909
01:38:26,253 --> 01:38:28,413
Speaker 22: of those ones you'll first listen to. You'll hear his

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Speaker 22: voice and you'll follow that along and then as you

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Speaker 22: go back you start hearing some of those different beats

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Speaker 22: and sounds and things that he's put through some of

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Speaker 22: that layering. It'll be interesting to see it live because

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Speaker 22: I think that sort of changes everything as well when

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Speaker 22: it comes to a full band being part of the production.

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Speaker 22: And that's kind of the beautiful thing I think about

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Speaker 22: soul and R and B. It can have some different

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Speaker 22: elements to it once it becomes live, and they play

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Speaker 22: with it even more once it's on stage. So if

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Speaker 22: you happen to be in his hometown of Wellington tonight

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Speaker 22: at San fran So they going to do the EP

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Speaker 22: and then they're going to do a whole lot of

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Speaker 22: his other headlog and everything, and then of course the

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Speaker 22: massive news everyone might have seen as that he's taking

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Speaker 22: his bags to Europe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sorry dates or whatever like Halle.

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Speaker 22: So that's really exciting stuff for him on the back

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Speaker 22: of just really sing something.

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Speaker 12: New for himself to so good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what'd you give me?

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Speaker 22: I'm giving it a nine out of ten only because

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Speaker 22: I wanted more.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, I like that very good. Okay, nine

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Speaker 2: out of ten for medicine, by the way, Baker. We'll

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Speaker 2: have a bit more of a listen in a few

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Speaker 2: minutes thanks to Stelle.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy every view from every angle.

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