1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: More advice for farmers around methane, and expert Climate Panel 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: has concluded we could still meet our climate targets without 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: dress and cuts to methane emissions. We thought maybe forty 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: seven percent was required. They now argue could be as 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: low as twenty four percent. The egg Minister Tod McLay 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: with us Todd Morning, Mike, Good morning, biogenic methane ten 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: percent reduction below seventeen by twenty thirty four to twenty five. 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: I got a headache reading this. Does anyone understand what's 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: going on? 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: It is very very technically. You're right, and that's the 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: reason that we campaigned on having an independent scientific review 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: of the role of methane from animals, from cows against 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: additional warming. You're right. Currently the legislation says by twenty 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: fifty there has to be a twenty four to forty 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: seven percent decrease of methane. That's not a target for 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: farmers to work towards. It's just a really broad band 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: that last government said, we don't know, we'll work it 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: out later. So this is the first bit of independent 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: advice in government's commissions that will help inform us of 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: exactly what that target should be and we'll look to 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: work through the set next year. 22 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: Do you see it as solid work or it's malleable, 23 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: it's variable. We still don't know. 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: Well, it's based on science. There's been other reports have 25 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: been coming out the sector have had one done there 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: that the a few others who are reputable that are 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: in a similar place. And again this is very very technical. 28 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: It's the reason I'm so keen to move the debate 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: around from what we've seen over the last few years 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: to the science. So if we can land the science 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: it's credible, then actually we're informed that the action we're 32 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: taking is going to have an effect. I think so 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: far there's been a lot of talk that deletes us 34 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: in a different direction. Yeah, you know, it's all about 35 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: the politics at the moment that should be based upon 36 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: science and whatever we do will be very hard for 37 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: our farmers. But we're only going to ask them to 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: do what they need to. We're not going to ask 39 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: them to do more than that. 40 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: Here's your problem, and this is in the report. It 41 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: is based on the world rapidly increasing its policies. I 42 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. So if they don't 43 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: do that bit, what do we do. 44 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we as others around the world, have committed to, 45 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, limiting warning to one point five percent, and 46 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: you are right, the rest of the world has to 47 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: step up. But we only need to focus on what 48 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: New Zealand does. We don't need to lead the world. 49 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: We don't need to do more than others. We don't 50 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: need to be right out in the front. You need 51 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: to focus on what our obligations are. And so that's 52 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: what the government is likely to do. But the Climate 53 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 2: Change Commission is also going to come out with their 54 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: report very soon. We'll take these two bits of advice. 55 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: We'll look at it take some time to be sensible 56 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: next year and then Kevin, it will make a decision. 57 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: Okay, that commission. You talk on the outgoing chairperson ROADCA. 58 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: He says, quote, it's going to fail. It needs pretty 59 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: radical reform, as you right. 60 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 2: Well, I've got a lot of respect from his work, 61 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: very very hard, but no I don't agree there. You know, 62 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: he he'll bring his report forward. I can't wait to 63 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: see what it is. It will be his last opportunity 64 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: to have a view on this before there is a 65 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: new chair that will come in. But what we're going 66 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: to do is work constructively. You know there are two 67 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: views out there. We should be right at the front 68 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: of the queue leading the world. That's harmful to New 69 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: Zealand consumers and it's harm full to the economy. We 70 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: are very smaller methods compared to almost everybody else, but 71 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: that's not a reason for us not to do our 72 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: fair share. We should be leading the world in innovation, 73 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: not in closing down businesses. 74 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: Good stuff to IP appreciate. It has almost taught Macloude, 75 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: the Agriculture Minister. 76 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 77 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: news talks. 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