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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather dupericy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to

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Speaker 2: coverage like no one else New Storks b.

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Speaker 3: After Noon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, the

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Speaker 3: government's announced the gun law reform. It's not going to

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Speaker 3: upset you as much as you might have expected. We'll

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Speaker 3: speak to Nicole McKee after five. We're going to go

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Speaker 3: to the US to get the latest on Trump threatening

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Speaker 3: to sue the BBC. And if you're freaked out by

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Speaker 3: AI and trying to figure out what's real and what's not,

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Speaker 3: you want to hear the interview with the former White

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Speaker 3: House Chief Information officer after half bus.

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Speaker 1: Six Heaver duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Well entirely predictably. The debate about selling state assets has

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Speaker 3: already kicked off ahead of election year, with Winston calling

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Speaker 3: the idea a tawdry, silly argument and Chris Luxon then

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Speaker 3: shooting back that Winston's view is not surprising. He's been

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Speaker 3: there for fifty years for goodness sake. It's got a

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Speaker 3: lot of entrenched views. I'm actually surprised that Luxon and

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Speaker 3: National are prepared to take this to the election because

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Speaker 3: this is I mean you can already see it, right,

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Speaker 3: and you know how it's gone in the past. This

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Speaker 3: is going to get heated. And National is not really

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Speaker 3: known at the moment for having the stomach for potentially

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Speaker 3: unpopular ideas. So good on them for doing it, because

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Speaker 3: this has got to be done, if only to inject

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Speaker 3: some private sector work ethic into these places. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if I need to lay this

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Speaker 3: argument out for you, but I will. We know that

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Speaker 3: the public sector is slower to get things done the

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Speaker 3: private sector. We know it's more likely to waste money.

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Speaker 3: We know it's less likely to make money. We've got

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Speaker 3: the figures last week just on sick leave. Public sector

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Speaker 3: workers take more sick days than private sector workers. The

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Speaker 3: partial sale of the power companies that happened under John

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Speaker 3: Key's watch has already proved what can happen if you

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Speaker 3: get some private discipline in there. I mean, those four

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Speaker 3: power companies are now worth twice what they were when

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Speaker 3: we sold half of them, so we haven't lost any value,

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Speaker 3: and they pay more dividends and we've got to put

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Speaker 3: money in our pockets. And they've proven that we can

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Speaker 3: do things differently to the way that it was done.

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Speaker 3: In the eighties and nineties, which has freaked out Winston.

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Speaker 3: With the one hundred percent sale of things like B

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Speaker 3: and Z, one hundred percent of B and Z, one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent of New Zealand Rail, one hundred percent of

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Speaker 3: Petro Corp. We can sell forty nine percent less than half.

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Speaker 3: We can still control the business. We get the money

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Speaker 3: out of it, though, we get some discipline into it,

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Speaker 3: and we make even more money from it now. Of course,

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Speaker 3: I think the power company sales are an example of

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Speaker 3: it going well. Others will blame those same sales for

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Speaker 3: a drop off an investment in renewable energy generation or

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Speaker 3: an increase in power prices, which is exactly why this

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Speaker 3: will be a contentious to back because we all see

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Speaker 3: it differently. So God on the Nets for having the courage,

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Speaker 3: by the looks of things, to go their next election

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Speaker 3: ever do for.

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Speaker 1: C Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen nineteen is the text number. Standard text fees apply

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Speaker 3: and we will speak to Winston about this after half

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Speaker 3: past five. Now police are going to start the roadside

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Speaker 3: checks to find drug drivers from December. We've finally got

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Speaker 3: a date. They're going to be using the saliva tests

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Speaker 3: to check for four drugs cannabis, meth, MDMA and ecstasy.

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Speaker 3: Anyone who tests positive will be retested and if the

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Speaker 3: or from driving rather for twelve hours. And Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: as the Transport Minister response for this, Hey bish, Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 3: how do you know if someone's impaired with name a

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Speaker 3: drug cannabis.

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Speaker 4: Well, there'll be a test, obviously, and it's a saliva test,

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Speaker 4: and you do it at the roadside, and you do

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Speaker 4: it twice, and if you test positive twice, you are a.

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Speaker 3: Sample from what else? Does a positive test necessarily mean

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Speaker 3: that you're impaired? You know, because with alcohol you can

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Speaker 3: test positive for alcohol, but you're only impaired at a

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Speaker 3: certain level. Is it going to have this much nuance

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Speaker 4: Well, the point is that we don't want people driving

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Speaker 4: after having done pot.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point.

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Speaker 4: We don't want people doing cocaine, don't want people doing

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Speaker 4: meth and then driving that there's no safe limit at

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Speaker 4: which you can do those drugs and drive. You know,

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Speaker 4: around thirty percent of all road deaths on our road

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Speaker 4: every year involving impairing drug. So if you're taking drugs

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Speaker 4: and you're driving, you are putting lives at risk in

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Speaker 4: the same way that if you you know, you you

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Speaker 4: have four or five beers and then go for a drive,

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Speaker 4: you're also putting these on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you have one beer, you're not putting

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Speaker 3: people's lives at risk. Right, So does a test? I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess time would be the most important thing here,

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Speaker 3: can it? Can it tell that you've like how how

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Speaker 3: recently would you have had to smoke pot for it

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Speaker 3: to pick that pick up like you'd smoke pot.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because I'm not I'm not a pot users.

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Speaker 4: Won't surprise you to learn that. I think I think

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Speaker 4: it picks it up. I think it picks up recent usage,

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Speaker 4: so like you know, a week, a week or so ago. No,

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Speaker 4: but if you if you've smoked up the night before

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Speaker 4: it will pick it up.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, if you've got somebody who who I don't know,

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Speaker 3: they may in fact still be impaired according to the test.

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Speaker 4: Possible, well possibly possibly, But put the point. The point

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Speaker 4: the public that you can't do drugs and drive, and

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Speaker 4: at the moment there is no way of checking at all.

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Speaker 3: You don't need to convince me of this. I'm one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent on board. I'm just trying to understand the logistics.

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Speaker 3: So then what happens. Then obviously you go to a

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Speaker 3: secondary test once it's gone yep, there's a positive. Then

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Speaker 3: you get a blood test or.

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Speaker 4: Something so that a sample is taken and sent off

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Speaker 4: to the lab for a proper laboratory test. And we've

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Speaker 4: designed this with ESR or what's now actually science but

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Speaker 4: previously present ESR to develop it because we've had parliaments

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Speaker 4: had two goes at this before, right this is the

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Speaker 4: third time round where we sort of screwed it up.

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Speaker 4: The last government stuffed it up. So we have designed

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Speaker 4: it with scientists in mind. We've looked at what they

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Speaker 4: And then the full the full test and the lab

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Speaker 4: exactly what what you've taken and actually actually tests for

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Speaker 4: more drugs. Test for twenty five drugs before that are potentially.

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Speaker 3: They're they're going to run the whole lot of them.

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Speaker 3: Mind you, if you test positive for.

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Speaker 4: The week, there's twenty five. Who's I do not understand.

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Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of oza lambs and zza pems

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Speaker 4: and knocks of those of beams names.

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Speaker 3: You know they sound like sleeping drunks, don't I a

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Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of different ones. Well, you know

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Speaker 4: more than I.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: You might know more than that.

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Speaker 3: I read a lot. I read a lot. No, But seriously,

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Speaker 3: what happens then if like, at what point do you

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Speaker 3: disc do you stand a driver down for twelve for

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Speaker 3: twelve hours? Is it when they test positive at the

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Speaker 4: So you get you get, you get disqualified from driving

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Speaker 4: for twelve months after the second positive test at the roadside,

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Speaker 4: and then if there's a positive test through the lab

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Speaker 4: test you get an infringement notice, which happens later. But

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Speaker 4: the point is, if you test positive twice at the roadside,

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Speaker 4: you want to get people off the road, right, Hang.

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Speaker 3: On, did you say twelve months or twelve hours?

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Speaker 1: Twelve hours? Sorry?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Okay, so if you gogangs Ganggang two tests at

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Speaker 3: the roadside, you've definitely smoked some pot recently, twelve hours

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Speaker 3: stand down and then after that you could be in

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Speaker 3: more trouble if which is see how the stuff in

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Speaker 3: your blood period brilliant, This is fantastic. Why do you

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Speaker 3: manage to do it? And Julian Gina couldn't do it?

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Speaker 4: Well, well, I know, I don't want to be too mean,

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Speaker 4: but I mean, look, I mean, in farness to them,

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Speaker 4: is complicated, and you know, you're dealing with science and

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Speaker 4: you know, the reality is we've got to do it,

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Speaker 4: you know, you just around you know, instead, I've seen

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Speaker 4: think most thew Zealanders would say, you know, you need

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Speaker 4: we did breath testing for alcohol, it was quite controversial

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Speaker 4: it crazy You could drive on the roads after having smoked.

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Speaker 3: I think it's crazy now. I've been thinking it's crazy

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Speaker 3: for years. Listen, Kat wants to know about people with prescriptions.

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Speaker 3: So if you've got likes it sounded like it sounded

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Speaker 3: attempting to pronounce before may have just been a stock

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Speaker 3: standed like you know, sleeping pill drug. If you have

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Speaker 4: Doesn't get picked up in the saliva test at the

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Speaker 4: roadside because it just tests for THHC, meth, MDMR, and cocaine.

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Speaker 4: It might get picked up on told.

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Speaker 1: Through the.

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Speaker 4: Through the secondary test. Yeah, this is the laboratory test

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Speaker 4: because it tests for more. But anyone who has a

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Speaker 4: positive lab test for a prescription medication has a defense.

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Speaker 4: So like it's unlikely, but anyone who's doing that and

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Speaker 4: it gets picked up has a defense.

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Speaker 3: Okayant, fine, thank you, bish, I appreciate it, and well

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Speaker 3: done getting this done. That's Chris Boship, the Transport minister.

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Speaker 3: Now you're gonna think twice about smoking that do be

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Speaker 3: on a Friday night, aren't you? Yeah, now you're gonna

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Speaker 3: think twice about it and getting on the road. I

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Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people are going to be

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Speaker 3: in in a spot a bother when this kickson in December,

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Speaker 3: or maybe it's just going to cause the marijuana usage

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Speaker 3: to drop off a cliff. Anyway, it hit me with it.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two are Candice Owens? By the way,

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Speaker 3: if you were planning to go and see her, I mean,

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Speaker 3: come on, now, were you really? Because it was pretty

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Speaker 3: clear this was going to happen. She's not coming to

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Speaker 3: New Zealand anymore, not really a surprise. Officially the ticket

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Speaker 3: sales are paused, but the venue has used the words

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Speaker 3: of course because Ozzie canceled her visa, so she's not

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Speaker 3: So you know, when they did that a month ago,

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Speaker 3: Said b By that again, Heather, the boxer wasn't trans

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Speaker 3: they were intersects. There's a difference, Pedro. That's a fair point.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Do you know what today is?

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Speaker 3: It's fifty years since the Gough Whitlam episode, fifty years

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Speaker 3: I don't want to ridicule other people's beliefs, because I've

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Speaker 2: It's Heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 3: Coming to right. The com case does five o'clock and

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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump has threatened to sue the BBC for

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Speaker 3: In can whatever. Over in the US, the Senate has

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Speaker 3: And finally, a Minnesota man has eaten an ice cream

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Speaker 5: Very good afternoon, Heather, do you guys.

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Speaker 3: Mark this day? Is this a big dat to throw parties,

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Speaker 3: reminded of what happened during the goff Woodland thing? Does

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Speaker 3: it kind of strengthen the case for republicanism in Australia.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have thought so, you know, it's almost like

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Speaker 5: Labour's kryptonite, to be fair. I mean, if you mentioned,

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Speaker 5: if you mentioned the R word around Alberaneza, he'll go

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Speaker 5: and run and hide in the cupboard. He doesn't want

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Speaker 5: any he doesn't want anything to disrupt what he's looking at. Now.

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Speaker 5: He's looking at another after this term, his second term,

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Speaker 5: he's looking at two more. That's the scale of the

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Speaker 5: task for the opposition that is just riven with internal

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Speaker 5: hatreds and fighting. It's horrible.

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Speaker 3: Now what is going going on with the neo Nazis.

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Speaker 3: I mean they cannot be serious about wanting to form

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Speaker 3: a political party, are they.

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Speaker 5: These guys are freaks, They oxygen thieves as far as

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Speaker 5: I'm concerned. I mean one of the guys down to Victoria,

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Speaker 5: the goose down there, you know, I hate immigration with

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Speaker 5: his little Adolf Hitler mustache. The moron came from New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: but I hate immigration. Hello idiot anyway up in New

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Speaker 5: South Wales, these people, I think, with a collective IQ

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Speaker 5: of about sort of room temperature. They staged a big

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Speaker 5: rally outside Parliament House on the weekend. The only reason

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Speaker 5: anyone knew was because TV cameras turned up. There were

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Speaker 5: sixty of them, all dressed in black with an anti

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Speaker 5: Jewish sign. And when journo's quized them, there was some

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Speaker 5: guy who apparently is a member or he's one of

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Speaker 5: the leaders of the Nazi Hitler youth in New South

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Speaker 5: Wales and he says, well, here's the thing. We've looked

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Speaker 5: at the electoral map in Australia and the electoral rules,

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Speaker 5: and New South Wales looks to be the state where

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Speaker 5: we're most likely to be able to form a political

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Speaker 5: party and contest elections. Now it's very very much highly unlikely,

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Speaker 5: but you only need seven hundred and fifty members to

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Speaker 5: form a legitimate political party in New South Wales only

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Speaker 5: five hundred down in Victoria, by the way, and that

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Speaker 5: of course attracts all sorts of benefits you get, you know,

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Speaker 5: you know, status at elections and whatnot. So the New

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Speaker 5: South Wales government going over time trying to stop this,

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Speaker 5: and of course these neo Nazis have used a very

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Speaker 5: famous and very patriotic Australian song by Ganga Jan. You

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Speaker 5: may know it sounds then also known as This is Australia,

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Speaker 5: a big hit back in eighty five. But the man

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Speaker 5: who wrote it forty years later, he's absolutely outraged that

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Speaker 5: these neo Nazis have taken it as their theme and

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Speaker 5: he's got lawyers chasing these blokes and trying to say

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Speaker 5: forget it.

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Speaker 3: Come on, interesting, myles. Thank you very much for keep

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Speaker 3: an eye on that. Murray Old's Australia correspondent eighteen away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 1: Heather do to see?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, listen. So what is going on with the

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Speaker 3: gun the gun situations? This is the overall, long awaited

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Speaker 3: overall of the gun laws. Nicole McKees announced it. Basically,

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Speaker 3: nothing happens with the gun Registry, so remember she wanted

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Speaker 3: to scrap it, not being scrapped, remains untouched. Also, no

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Speaker 3: changes to the very limited number of people who can

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Speaker 3: legally hold the military style automatic weapons. So it's basically

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Speaker 3: endorsed pet controllers and collectors. So I feel like a

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Speaker 3: lot of people will be quite well, not a lot

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Speaker 3: some people will be disappointed in that. We'll talk to

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Speaker 3: Nicole McKee after five o'clock. So I am here for

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump sewing the BBC because I think I am

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Speaker 3: of the view that the BBC has a few abused

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Speaker 3: its power. It is a bit sneary, isn't it. Like,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest about it. There is a plenty of

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Speaker 3: mainstream media that can be a bit sneering. H the

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Speaker 3: Orange Man sneering at him? Well, the Orange Man's coming

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Speaker 3: for his revenge. But there is what I thought was

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Speaker 3: really interesting. Is I like listening to a podcast over

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Speaker 3: a UK podcast The Newsagents, which is made up of

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Speaker 3: three people who you know, reasonably well known people, John Sobel,

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Speaker 3: Emily Maitlis, she of the you know, Prince Andrew, Andrew

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Speaker 3: mount Batten Windsor Interview and Lewis Goddle. All three of

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Speaker 3: them used to work at the BBC. Well can you

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Speaker 3: believe it? I actually am shocked to have it because

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Speaker 3: I rate these guys. They spent their podcast defending the BBC.

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Speaker 16: It is a mistake. But I think to then come

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Speaker 16: back and say this materially misled viewers is a massive

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Speaker 16: overstatement because by the time that clip was played set

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Speaker 16: to music as part of a montage, the speech was

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Speaker 16: nearly four years old.

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Speaker 3: Is that anurve state?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: There was Emily maitlers By the way, wait till you

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Speaker 3: hear Lewis Goodle's We'll get to that. Barry Soapers next

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Speaker 3: sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty right thirteen away from five and Barri Soper, Senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondence with us. Hello Berry, Good afternoon, Heathery, So,

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Speaker 3: asset sales already an issue?

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Speaker 17: Well, yes, it is an issue. And of course, as

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Speaker 17: soon as it came out of Chris Luckson's mouth, was

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Speaker 17: going to be an issue for.

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Speaker 7: The Labor Party. There was no doubt about that.

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Speaker 17: But as coalition partner in New Zealand first, they're having

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Speaker 17: a go as well. But Luxon was in the house

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Speaker 17: this afternoon being quizzed about his view of bedset sales,

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Speaker 17: and he certainly didn't hold back.

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Speaker 18: If you are a high function economy like Singapore, one

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Speaker 18: of the hallmarks of their success has been their asset recycling.

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Speaker 18: They're able to say government capital and redeploy it to

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Speaker 18: higher purposes that generate greater returns and greater benefits for

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Speaker 18: their people. It's pretty simple. We can have an adult conversation,

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Speaker 18: a serious conversation, a strategic one to say if there

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Speaker 18: is government capital, government assets that could or should be

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Speaker 18: recycled for greater purpose and greater benefit for the New

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Speaker 18: Zealand people. That's a legitimate question that we should have,

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Speaker 18: but we should have it without trying to politicize it.

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Speaker 18: And the way the members started today.

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Speaker 17: I've got to say it's a question that Winston Peters,

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Speaker 17: he's certainly asking Winston, no doubt about it is on

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Speaker 17: the campaign trail. He took his second or his first

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Speaker 17: eighteen months and his deputy prime minister for a very

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Speaker 17: good reason. Second eighty months now means that he can

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Speaker 17: campaign taking on the job of deputy prime minister. That

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Speaker 17: was a very definite move for him to give him

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Speaker 17: political advantage on owen'zeed this morning, Peters wouldn't have a

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Speaker 17: bar of National Scholl for a discussion on asset sales

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Speaker 17: and he wasn't holding back on his coalition partner success.

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Speaker 1: Here he is and here they come again with the

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Speaker 1: same story.

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Speaker 6: You know what the story really means, because they've failed

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Speaker 6: to run the economy properly. They wanted to the assets

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Speaker 6: of a time when the country was run properly, when

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Speaker 6: we were number two in the world. We've got a

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Speaker 6: situation where we haven't turned the economy around in the

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Speaker 6: way we should have as fast as we should have.

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Speaker 6: I know it can be turned around, but not what

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Speaker 6: this sort of strategy were You not actually fixing the economy.

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Speaker 6: They're actually just getting rid of the assets built up

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Speaker 6: by our forefathers to try and balance the books. That

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Speaker 6: is an admission of potential failure before we even start.

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Speaker 6: Why don't we fix the economy properly?

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Speaker 17: So he's not really praising the government that he que

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Speaker 17: So how did lux and explain away Winston Peter's view

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Speaker 17: meant opposition to asset sales?

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Speaker 7: Well, have a listen.

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Speaker 18: The Minister of Foreign Affairs has been here a long time.

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Speaker 18: He's been here almost half a century. He has a

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Speaker 18: lot of entrenched positions on lots of different things. But

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Speaker 18: he and I are very very cognizant of what our

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Speaker 18: pronouns are, and they are we.

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Speaker 7: That was quite good, I thought, was that real?

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Speaker 17: Of course to Luxe and making his comment overseas, but

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Speaker 17: they had move on orders with a big thing again

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Speaker 17: in Parliament today they're taking on a life of their own.

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Speaker 17: The Green's Chloe Swarbrick, she was on a bandwagon again

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Speaker 17: in Parliament She's been a bit like a crack record

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Speaker 17: over recent months, inviting the Prime Minister to take a

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Speaker 17: walk on the wild side with her in downtown Auckland

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Speaker 17: to see how the rough sleepers fare. Swarbitt was again

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Speaker 17: at it today asking Luxon about rough sleepers, but her

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Speaker 17: question was taken over by New Zealand First Shane Jones.

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Speaker 17: Luxon was much more upfront than he was last week

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Speaker 17: about the government's planned here.

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Speaker 8: They are.

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Speaker 18: We want people to be able to go into the

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Speaker 18: Auckland CBD and not be intimidated. We are considering move

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Speaker 18: on orders, but we need to make sure the support

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Speaker 18: is in place so that those folks when they are

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Speaker 18: moved on actually have somewhere to go. We don't just

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Speaker 18: move the problem around the.

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Speaker 19: City, Irall Change Jones, the Prime Minister can.

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Speaker 20: The Prime Minister confirmed that thousands of sit as to

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Speaker 20: Queen Street fear for their own safety and it's not

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Speaker 20: purely an issue of homelessness, but potential criminality, drug taking

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Speaker 20: and people defending victimhood.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I can.

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Speaker 18: Many Aucklanders in Auckland refuse to go in the CBD

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Speaker 18: for exactly that reason.

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Speaker 19: The Donald Shane Jones.

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Speaker 20: Speaker in relation to job seeker supporters the Prime Minister

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Speaker 20: where a couple of marriages are about to become unemployed.

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Speaker 7: You know what he's referring to their very good sense

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Speaker 7: to humor. Here he's got you didn't get it.

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Speaker 17: He's talking about the two Maldi MPs. And they went

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Speaker 17: in their house today, I might say, and that was

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Speaker 17: a simple formality getting rid of them, that is, as

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Speaker 17: Parliament got together today.

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Speaker 7: Here's a speaker, Jerry Brownley.

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Speaker 13: I've advised by a Tiparty MARII that their parliamentary membership

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Speaker 13: has changed and that Maria Meno Carpakinghi and Taku de

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Speaker 13: Peris are no longer members of Tiparty Mari for parliamentary purbics. Accordingly,

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Speaker 13: understanding Order thirty five five, those members on the tenth,

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Speaker 13: if they've ever twenty twenty five, are regarded as independent

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Speaker 13: members for parliamentary purposes.

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Speaker 17: We ain't heard the heart last of that one yet,

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Speaker 17: have we, because we the other two MPs that still

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Speaker 17: do belong to the Maori Party besides their co leadership,

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Speaker 17: they went in the house today either as far as

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Speaker 17: I could see, and of course neither were the two

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Speaker 17: that have been expelled from the parties. So who knows

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Speaker 17: what these four MPs two thirds of the caucers are planning.

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Speaker 3: Now interesting, Hey, there's a potential wrinkle in any plans

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Speaker 3: to walk a jump them, which I'm going to run

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Speaker 3: through next. I thought was interesting. Barry Secular, Senior political correspondent.

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Speaker 3: It's now eight away from five, right, it's five away

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Speaker 3: from five. Okay, So listen, we're still waiting on the

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Speaker 3: court to make decisions about suppressions. Read the IPCA case

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Speaker 3: involving gemcskimming. But I can tell you what has already

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Speaker 3: become public. Our NZ is reporting that the IPCA report

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Speaker 3: into how the police handled the gevimcskimming CA is critical

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Speaker 3: of the actions of former Commissioner Andrew Costa. Now it

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Speaker 3: hasn't said specifically what Andrew Costa has done that has

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Speaker 3: copped the criticism, but it is understood the final report

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Speaker 3: was critical of Costa in terms of his action and

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Speaker 3: in action in response to allegations about mc skimmings. So

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Speaker 3: you can kind of join the dots there, I would imagine, Arenz.

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Speaker 3: It has also revealed that the final report was shown

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Speaker 3: to a group of people on the twenty fourth of October,

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Speaker 3: and that's how they basically got wind of it now

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Speaker 3: what you need to understand and so there is more

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Speaker 3: to come. Stand by and if, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: it may drop this afternoon, it may drop tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 3: Either way, there will be a police press conference and

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Speaker 3: we'll get you across it here at Newstalk ZB just

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Speaker 3: for a little bit of background, just to refresh you

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Speaker 3: ahead of the stuff happening. Remember how this all started

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Speaker 3: was in November last year, Mcskimming went on special leave

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Speaker 3: and why he was put on special leave was because

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Speaker 3: there was an allegation of sexual misconduct from a former

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Speaker 3: non sworn fellow employee. In other women, another woman who

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Speaker 3: was working for the police made an allegation against them

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Speaker 3: about sexual misconduct. He was put on special leave. They

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Speaker 3: started the investigation, and when they started the investigation, that's

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Speaker 3: where they started finding the creepy porn on his devices.

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Speaker 3: And everything's unraveled from there. But yeah, not a surprise

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Speaker 3: at all that Andrew Costa does not come out of

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Speaker 3: the smelling right roses. Anyway, I'll get you across it

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Speaker 3: as it unfolds today. If it does. Also, as I said,

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Speaker 3: I was going to play what Lewis Goodall said, this

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Speaker 3: is the podcast I've been listening to so Lewis Goodall

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Speaker 3: just to refresh. Used to be a BBC employee? Now

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Speaker 3: does this podcast? Rickons that what's happening with the BBC

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Speaker 3: is hysterical.

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Speaker 21: I feel like I have been living in a parallel

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Speaker 21: universe for the last twenty four hours, the hysteria over

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Speaker 21: this story that edit in question, John, You're right, it

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Speaker 21: was a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It was clearly misjudged.

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Speaker 21: But the idea that it is somehow a symbol of

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Speaker 21: an institutional bias against Trump or unfair to Trump is

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Speaker 21: an example of institutional bias against Trump is absurd, unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Go and read, by the way, the excuse is that

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Speaker 3: the BBC website is making for itself. Go and read

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Speaker 3: the excuses that the Guardian is making for the BBC.

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Speaker 3: These people are all in an echo chamber where they

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Speaker 3: cannot see how serious this is. It is so serious.

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Speaker 3: It's cost the news executive the job, and it's cost

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Speaker 3: the DG, the boss, the big boss of BBC. It's serious,

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Speaker 3: and yet they're likenh it's just hysteria. It's just crazy,

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Speaker 3: you know. Jonathan Cursley, US correspondent, will be thus shortly

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Speaker 3: on what Donald Trump actually wants out of this threatened lawsuit.

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Speaker 3: And also Nicole McKee on the gun law reform news

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 3: Okay, good afternoon, This is just coming out at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Suppression has lifted on the Gevin mcskimming IPCA report. This

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Speaker 3: means the IPCA can now release the report. They haven't

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Speaker 3: done it yet, but they could do it imminently if

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Speaker 3: they want to, and the understanding is they may well

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Speaker 3: do that. What we do know out of it is

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Speaker 3: newly released information which reveals that the highest ranking police

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Speaker 3: officers ignored anonymous allegations against Jevin mcskimming alleging that he

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Speaker 3: was a sexual predator. They didn't investigate whether the sex

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Speaker 3: claims could be corroborated. Instead, the complaints were used as

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Speaker 3: evidence by police to prosecute a young woman instead for

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Speaker 3: harassment against Jevn mcskimming and as pretty serious allegations. Obviously

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Speaker 3: we understand Richard Chambers, the Police top boss currently and

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister, could hold a press conference

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Speaker 3: as early as within the next hour. We will keep

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Speaker 3: you across that as soon as we get wind of that.

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Speaker 3: To eight pass five Heaver, do sellen right now to

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Speaker 3: the big shake up of the gun laws. It's been

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Speaker 3: revealed and it is a little bit of a fizzer.

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Speaker 3: The gun Registry is safe, it's not going to be scrapped,

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Speaker 3: and military style semi automatic weapon will not be made

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Speaker 3: available to more people than the few who are allowed

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Speaker 3: to have them currently. The Associate Justice Minister Nicole Mackey

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Speaker 3: is behind the reforms. Heinekol.

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Why go soft?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't think I have gone soft. Actually, what

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Speaker 9: you will see is an entire rewrite of the Arms

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Speaker 9: Act that makes things quite clear. However, I did not

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Speaker 9: win everything that I wanted to, but I did win

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Speaker 9: about ninety five percent of what we wanted. So while

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Speaker 9: some people may be upset that we didn't get the

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Speaker 9: winds in the areas I fought for, there actually are

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Speaker 9: wins for every licensed farm's owner and every member of

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Speaker 9: New Zealand society within my Arms Bill.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what made you change your mind? On the gun

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Speaker 3: Registry because you wanted to scrap it.

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Speaker 9: I haven't changed my mind on the gun registry. I

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Speaker 9: still want to scrap it. But I did not win

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Speaker 9: the argument, and hence we hadn't agree to disagree with

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Speaker 9: the Coalition partnership. But the bigger things I needed to

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Speaker 9: achieve are there in the Arms Act, and of course

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Speaker 9: we can always look at it again when we look

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Speaker 9: at whether or not the review of the Registry, which

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Speaker 9: is meant to happen again late in a couple more years,

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Speaker 9: gives us any more information. But at this stage, Heather,

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Speaker 9: I'm still against the registry. I just did not win

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Speaker 9: that debate, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then with the ban on the semi automatics, you

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Speaker 3: wanted to partially lift it. What happened there?

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Speaker 9: I wanted to enable sporting shooters to be able to

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Speaker 9: use large capacity magazines with semi automatics under strict controlled

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Speaker 9: range conditions, and again I could not get that past

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Speaker 9: my colleagues. However, there are some other really good wins

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Speaker 9: in there, including for pest controllers who use large capacities

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Speaker 9: with semi automatics. And I also managed to close another loophole, Heather,

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Speaker 9: where in the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty changes. The

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Speaker 9: government of the day Labor government did not put conditions

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Speaker 9: on large pistol magazines and they were still able to

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Speaker 9: be purchased without a license, So that will be closed

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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 3: Nicole, thank you very much, really appreciate your time. Nicole McKee.

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Speaker 3: Associate Justice Minister.

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Speaker 1: Heather due for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump is threatening to sue the BBC for

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Speaker 3: a billion US dollars for twisting his words. His lawyer

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Speaker 3: has written a letter accusing the corporation of damaging and

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Speaker 3: defamatory statements. Jonathan Kurzley is our US correspondent with US.

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Speaker 19: Hey, Jonathan, Heather, always good to talk you in a listeners.

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Speaker 3: What does Donald Trump want from them? Does he want

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Speaker 3: an apology? Does he want to withdrawal of the Panorama program?

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Speaker 3: Or both?

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Speaker 22: Like all of his legal threats and lawsuit actions against

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Speaker 22: news organizations, he wants money and he wants victory. What

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Speaker 22: he has done here is put forward the same sort

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Speaker 22: of figure that he's put forward in other legal threats

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Speaker 22: against other media organizations here in the United States, by

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Speaker 22: demanding one billion dollars for what he is calling or

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Speaker 22: what his lawyers are calling malicious and disparaging edits of

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Speaker 22: the speech he delivered on the day of the insurrection

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Speaker 22: at the Capitol. It was featured in a Panorama documentary.

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Speaker 22: The words were spliced from different sections of the program

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Speaker 22: to make it look like he had said something slightly

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Speaker 22: different to what he had actually said. We've obviously seen

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Speaker 22: the resignations of the director general of the BBC and

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Speaker 22: of the see of the News Division, but that's not

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Speaker 22: enough for the American President, who, as I said, is

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Speaker 22: now taking the action that he's taken against other news

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Speaker 22: organizations when he's not happy with what they publish or

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Speaker 22: broadcast about him, demanding that a billion dollars be paid

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Speaker 22: to him. Whether he takes this legal action, and exactly

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Speaker 22: where he takes this legal action, though, that remains to

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Speaker 22: be seen, because if he does it in the United Kingdom,

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Speaker 22: well they've got different defamation laws to what they do

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Speaker 22: here in the United States. In the United States, he

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Speaker 22: would have to go to a specific state. He would

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Speaker 22: also have to prove that that program Panorama had been

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Speaker 22: viewed in that specific state. So he clearly has some

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Speaker 22: options that he needs to work through. But the option

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Speaker 22: he has put down is as he has done before

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Speaker 22: it is apologize, retract, and pay up?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: Am I right in thinking that in most of these

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Speaker 3: cases the outside of court before it even reaches court,

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Speaker 3: in which case this is probably going to end the

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Speaker 3: same way.

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Speaker 22: Well, when it comes to the media claims and the

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Speaker 22: media litigation he's made, not many of them have actually progressed.

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Speaker 22: I mean, the one that is moving forward at the

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Speaker 22: moment is one against the Wall Street Journal over some

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Speaker 22: material that was published in relation to the Epstein files

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Speaker 22: and Donald Trump's links to those and apparent birthday card

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Speaker 22: that was sent by President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein that

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Speaker 22: Donald Trump denies. He ever wrote in other civil matters

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Speaker 22: where he has taken action against media companies here I'm

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Speaker 22: thinking of CBS in sixty Minutes in particular, and paramount

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Speaker 22: it has been settled outside court. He has also taken

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Speaker 22: action against ABS America and received some fifteen million US

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Speaker 22: dollars towards his Presidential Library fund. If you like, so,

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Speaker 22: this is exactly what it is. It is a threat.

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Speaker 22: It is not a design to get a billion dollars,

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Speaker 22: but this is the figure he has put down. Four

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Speaker 22: It is an intimidation tactic to say, if you want

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Speaker 22: to take this all the way, then this is what

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Speaker 22: it's going to cost you otherwise, talk to me outside,

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Speaker 22: talk to my lawyers outside, and let's find the middle

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Speaker 22: ground that everybody's happy with. And now employers of other

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Speaker 22: media organizations haven't been happy with the players that have

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Speaker 22: been given because it admits guilt in a sort of way.

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Speaker 22: So what happens now with the BBC in turmoil over

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Speaker 22: the loss of its significant leadership and now facing a

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Speaker 22: billion dollars threat from the American President is how much

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Speaker 22: now do they cow tower to America's commander in chief.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan's always good to talk to you, mate, Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. Jonathan Kurzley are us correspondent. Listen, Jared Savage,

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Speaker 3: who works at The Herald, is going to be with

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Speaker 3: us next. He can actually tell us what's going on

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Speaker 3: here with the gimmcskimming allegation. So stand by fourteen past

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Speaker 3: for c Allen, seventeen past five. Right, the IPCA report

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Speaker 3: has just dropped. It's going to be read by reporters

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Speaker 3: who will tell us what's in it. We have got

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Speaker 3: some more information that has just come out on gevimcskimming.

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Speaker 3: It's been revealed that our highest ranking police officers actually

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Speaker 3: ignored anonymous allegations that Gevimcskimming was a sexual predator. The

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Speaker 3: Herald investigative reporter Jared Savages with me our Hey, Jared, Hi, Heather. Okay,

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Speaker 3: how did these warnings come to the police.

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Speaker 8: So just a bit of background, gim Skimming, Deputy Commissioner,

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Speaker 8: was in a sexual relationship with a much younger woman.

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Speaker 8: He was forty, she was twenty one. For whatever reason,

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Speaker 8: that relationship broke down and she started sending emails in

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Speaker 8: to the police and politicians and newsrooms essentially accusing him

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Speaker 8: of being a sexual predator, dreaming her things like that.

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Speaker 8: So lots of emails coming in, and instead of investigating

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Speaker 8: those emails, which we're kind of incoherent in some parts,

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Speaker 8: the police chose to instead prosecute her under the Harmful

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Speaker 8: Digital Communications Act. So here's a woman sending an email saying, hey,

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Speaker 8: this person making serious allegations against the second most powerful

871
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 8: police officer in the country. Instead of investigating those allegations,

872
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 8: they prosecuted her with essentially digital harassment, a campaign to

873
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 8: discredit him before he applied for the Commissioner of Police

874
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 8: job last year, and it was all completely suppressed and

875
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 8: nobody knew about it.

876
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: Until right now, because he was maintaining it was an

877
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: effort to undermine it to end his career. Basically, wasn't

878
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: it Which point did Andrew Costa, who was then the

879
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: top cup become aware of it.

880
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 8: We believe that Andrew Costa was aware of the existence

881
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 8: of the affair when he became the police commissioner. Jemn

882
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 8: mc skimming disclosed that to him, but perhaps not all

883
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 8: the details around, you know, the age discrepancy and the

884
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 8: fact that mc skimming lady got her a job in

885
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 8: the police. Essentially, they've just accepted mc skimming's version of

886
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 8: events that this was an extra extra marital affair that

887
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 8: went wrong and now this woman's out to get revenge.

888
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 8: There seems to be a lack of action to actually

889
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 8: investigate to see whether or not there was some substance

890
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 8: to these allegations, and that didn't happen until after the

891
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 8: commissioner of a commission of a police appointment took place

892
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 8: sort of October novemb below.

893
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: Year, Jared, the IPCA report has just dropped. One of

894
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: the things is this is what it says. When police

895
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: referred the matter to the IPCA in October last year.

896
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: The then Commissioner Andrew Costa attempted to influence the nature

897
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: and extent of the investigation and the time frame for

898
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: his completion. These attempts were perceived by some others within

899
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Speaker 3: Police as designed to bring the investigation to a rapid

900
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: and premature conclusion so as not to intersect with the

901
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: commissioner appointment process and jeopardize Mcskimming's prospects of being appointed

902
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Speaker 3: as the next Commissioner of Police.

903
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Speaker 8: Were you aware of that, Yeah, that's sort of the

904
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 8: gist of we were sort of operating off sources for

905
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 8: this initial story that we dropped. But to hear the

906
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 8: IPCA say it in such dark terms basically crystallizes the

907
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 8: entire issue with what happened here. It wasn't really about

908
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 8: the substance of the allegations. It's about how it's been handled.

909
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 8: They've done it in a way to protect Mcskimming as

910
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 8: he went ahead for that top job and prevent essentially

911
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 8: Richard Chambers from coming and taking over. This is an

912
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 8: astonishing This is an astonishing IPCA report. I've never seen

913
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Speaker 8: anything quite like it, And the repercussions and that will

914
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 8: float out of this will carry on for some time.

915
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Speaker 3: Yeah, quite Jared, Thanks very much appreciated, Jared Savage, the

916
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Speaker 3: Herald's investigative reporter. There's this as well. In twenty twenty three,

917
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: while a member of the interview panel for the Statutory

918
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: Deputy Commissioner appointment process, Andrew Costa failed to disclose to

919
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: the Public Service Commission his knowledge of je Mix Skimming's relationship,

920
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: which had subsequently dd to the email's alleging misconduct. This

921
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: failure clearly fell below what a reasonable person would have

922
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: expected of a person in his position. Consequently, Andrew Costa's

923
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: disclosure to the Public Service Commission on eight October last

924
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: year during the interim Commissioner appointment process also fell well

925
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Speaker 3: short of what a reasonable person would have expected given

926
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Speaker 3: what he knew at the time. I would yeah, I'm

927
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 3: going to really enjoy seeing whether Andrew Costa actually survives

928
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: this or not, because this is undermining him in a

929
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Speaker 3: big way. I would have thought five twenty two, on.

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Speaker 2: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car,

931
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: your drive home, it's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one

932
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Speaker 2: New Zealand tender power of satellite mobile news talks, they'd be.

933
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: It's just been confirmed that the Police Commissioner and the

934
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Speaker 3: Police Minister will be holding a press conference on the

935
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: gemcskimming stuff after sex. Now, Andrew cost Is coming out

936
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: of this badly. Andrew Costa is the boss at the

937
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Speaker 3: moment of the Social Investment Agency. Remember they shifted him

938
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Speaker 3: sideways in a sweet little move out of the Police

939
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Speaker 3: Commissioner rolling into another role. His minister is Nikola Willis.

940
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Nichola Willis later on and

941
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: see we'll just put a phone call and just see

942
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: how things how she's feeling about him running her outfit.

943
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: Now five twenty five. Now, listen, can I just talk

944
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: about Consumer New Zealand because it's a bit of a

945
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: step change here, but it's released its latest list of

946
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: products that have one what it calls its NA Awards,

947
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: which is basically products that they think are rubbish or

948
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 3: a little bit tricky in some way. So Pam's Plasters

949
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: gets an award for basically not being sticky enough, which

950
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: is a problem. Hello Fresh gets an award for making

951
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: it really really hard to unsubscribe from the meal kit service.

952
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: Harvey Norman gets an award for he having some sort

953
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: of a sale almost ever a week out of the

954
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: ten weeks that consumer looked at it, which basically means

955
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: it's not a sale, it's not a special price, it's

956
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: just the price, and you're being tricked. And then Barker's

957
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 3: Clothing gets an award for hinting that some clothes could

958
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: not be returned when actually anything can be returned if

959
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: it doesn't meet legal guarantees. Now, I don't know about you,

960
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: but I love this kind of stuff. I think this

961
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: is really helpful because I like some of these brands,

962
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: and I use some of these brands, so I like

963
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: knowing what I need to look out for. So can

964
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: I give Consumer a shout out for what they're doing

965
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: for consumers? Because I know it is their job. But

966
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: I don't think that we give them enough credit for

967
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: what they're doing in the successes that they're having, because

968
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: they've had a lot of successes lately. They've been the

969
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: ones leading the charge on forcing supermarkets to pull up

970
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: their socks on the prices they display and the refunds.

971
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: Supermarkets are now in legal trouble for the prices they

972
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: display and they're publishing their refund policies. Consumer New Zealand's

973
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 3: also been the ones leading the charge on the credit cards,

974
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: so surcharges. Now, I don't think that the right outcome

975
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 3: has been achieved with the surcharge ban, but at least

976
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: they got something out of it, right. And they're also

977
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: the ones who lead the charge on banks to step

978
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 3: up on the anti scam stuff like confirmation of paye

979
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: which we all have to do now when we're transferring funds.

980
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: And this is thanks to consumers pressure. So good on

981
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: them for fighting for the consumer. And can I say,

982
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: while they're handing out awards, it feels like maybe they

983
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: should get an award ever do for cl Heather once again,

984
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: corruption and police like this is the problem is when

985
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: you get stuff like this happen, then you know, especially

986
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: if it's the top cop. Remember old old Wokester himself

987
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: who was like, oh police thing by consent? Why I'm

988
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: doing things differently now? This is not the kind of

989
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: difference we wanted. Andrew Costa looking after your mate who

990
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: is a bit of a sexual creep. Heather spliced differently,

991
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: lull that cannot okay. So this is what's going on

992
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: at the moment. Is the what's the word that you

993
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: would use? I can't think of the word right now,

994
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: but when you when you play it down to your

995
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: ey it's not a big deal. Everybody who's on this

996
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: who loves the beebs, Oh, it's not a big deal.

997
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: Let me play you that audio that I played you

998
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: last week. You decide for yourself. Okay. This is what

999
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: the BBC played about Donald Trump speech.

1000
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna walk down to the Capitol and I'll be

1001
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: there with you.

1002
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 4: And we fight.

1003
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: We fight like hell.

1004
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: This is what he actually said.

1005
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna walk down to.

1006
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 7: The Capitol.

1007
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: And we're gonna cheer on our brave senators and congressmen

1008
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: and women.

1009
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1010
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: So what was it spliced? Slightly differently, Yeah, slightly differently. Hey,

1011
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 3: Winston Peters is with us next on the Asset Sales

1012
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 3: News Talks.

1013
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 12: It'd be.

1014
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1015
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: It's Heather dufic Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

1016
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: like no one else news talks.

1017
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: They'd be.

1018
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: Hey, we're going to talk about AI about an hour

1019
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 3: from mountains fascinating. We're going to be having a chat

1020
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: to the woman who was the White House Chief Information Officer.

1021
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: The huddle is standing by right now. It's twenty four

1022
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: away from six now. Asset sales are shaping up to

1023
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: be a major election battle next year. Christopher Luxen says

1024
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 3: he's open to selling big state owned assets to raise cash,

1025
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: a move that Winston Peters are slamming as silly. The

1026
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: longtime critic of privatization says the government should fix the

1027
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 3: economy first. The Prime Minister's already hit back.

1028
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 18: Boy, it's not surprising he's been here fifty years for

1029
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 18: going to say. He has a lot of different views

1030
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 18: on a lot of different things that are pretty entreinged.

1031
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: New Zealand First leader Winston Peters is with us now.

1032
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: High Winston, Hello, I feel like that was a dig

1033
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: at your age. What do you think?

1034
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 6: Well, actually got the fifty years wrong, But I do

1035
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 6: admire as understanding that experience matters.

1036
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that, listen. Can we do it differently

1037
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: to what you saw in the eighties and nineties and hated,

1038
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: which was the sale of the complete sale of things

1039
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: one hundred percent sale. What about if we go for

1040
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 3: a forty nine percent sale of something?

1041
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 6: Well, the real thing is if you're run the thing properly,

1042
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 6: like they do in Singapore. They get proper top class

1043
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 6: businessmen and women to run the Temisek model and they

1044
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 6: ensure they get the maxim out of it. You don't

1045
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 6: have these sort of outcomes. But when you have what

1046
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 6: we've got, what I call lack less than adequate management,

1047
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 6: and you put up with that, and the outcome is

1048
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 6: almost certain you're not going to get the performance you

1049
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 6: should get. But the reality is that the name of

1050
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 6: this game is getting an asset and extracting the maximatic

1051
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 6: value out of it for your workforce, for your wealth,

1052
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 6: and for your own economy. Do you know what other

1053
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 6: countries do that?

1054
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: What are we winston? Don't you accept though, that if

1055
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 3: you leave things in the control of the public sector,

1056
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: they inevitably do not run as well as if you

1057
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: inject the private sector into it, right, And that's what

1058
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: we've seen with the power companies. The minute that they

1059
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: got floated, they doubled in value. They paid heaps more

1060
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: in dividends. So you know't couldn't all of these assets

1061
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 3: that we aren't actually be better run if we had

1062
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: a bit of a bit of listing going on.

1063
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 6: Listen it's nine eight, yeah, and Max Padford was going

1064
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 6: to plato future power costs. Well, the plata was vertical

1065
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 6: when he finished. That's exactly what happened, and we're being

1066
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 6: screwed big time. We used to have a national asset

1067
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 6: for our business and for our homes, which was cheap,

1068
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 6: affordable power, and one of the major costs has now

1069
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 6: been drolled on us in there in the name of privatization.

1070
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 6: If I had my way out of nice.

1071
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: Well, don't you think it was the Bradford the Yeah,

1072
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: I mean, don't you think it was the reforms of

1073
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: the nineties that were partly to blame rather than the

1074
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: asset sales a decade ago?

1075
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 6: But I'm talking about the privatization that happened straight then.

1076
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1077
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 6: The first thing that happened was that Jennie Shipley made

1078
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 6: one power company private. Right now, where did it all go?

1079
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 6: It was all forecasts were all predictable. In firem and

1080
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 6: Saudi Arabia, I don't pay world costs for fuel, and

1081
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 6: I'm in Zealand, we weren't paying world cost There was

1082
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 6: a cutting edge advantance for our businesses and built it

1083
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 6: up on decades by politicians who knew what they were

1084
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 6: doing when we were numbers two in the world.

1085
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think about it?

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Speaker 7: As it doesn't have a.

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Speaker 6: Ring about it? It has a ring about it. So

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Speaker 6: a previous group of politicians ran a far better economy

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Speaker 6: and built all these asses up, and then the modern

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Speaker 6: group group come along with their neo level experiment. They're

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Speaker 6: not running the economy down for decades, and then they

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Speaker 6: start saying, oh, I not will do We'll disguise our

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Speaker 6: failure by selling off the assets our forefather's built. Is

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Speaker 6: this rather convenient?

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about selling off some of land

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Speaker 3: Corp's farms which are being poorly like not well, I

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Speaker 3: mean maybe not poorly, but not that well run by

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Speaker 3: land Corps and then giving young farmers the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: get in.

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Speaker 6: Well, have you looked and see what land Corp Is

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Speaker 6: required to do? They're required to do all sorts of

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Speaker 6: things excepting one of the farms efficiently for the maximum profit.

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Speaker 6: You go back to what they should be doing.

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Speaker 19: They'll do it.

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Speaker 6: But if you give them a whole lot of out

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Speaker 6: of left field criteria woke stuff, you know, in performative

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Speaker 6: stuff to do, then they're never going to make a profit.

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Speaker 3: Hey, can I point that you actually make there? Winston?

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you. Can Andrew cost to survive

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Speaker 3: what's been revealed right now.

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Speaker 6: It's look, I can't comment on this because it's a

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Speaker 6: matter that's you know, will be unbailed on proof. But

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Speaker 6: if you say, would I be concerned? Yeah, I am

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00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 6: seriously concerned at the background to this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Winston, Thanks very much, Winston Peter's New Zealand

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00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: First Leaders twenty away from six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your

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Speaker 2: one of a kind.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle with me this evening. Tim Wilson, Maximu Institute,

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Speaker 3: Craig Rennie to you, economist, high Lands tims to survive this.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, this is this is.

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Speaker 12: Alarming and obviously we need to hear both sides of it.

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Speaker 12: But that report we need to get into the report.

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Speaker 23: But what we've heard from Jared Savage, say you were

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Speaker 23: speaking with him earlier, is extremely concerning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I mean the fact that Andrew Costa, the

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Speaker 3: fact that higher ups in the police rather Craig because

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Speaker 3: it's not actually I'm not sure who who was, But

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Speaker 3: the fact that higher ups in the police were told

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Speaker 3: this needed to be referred to the IPCA and they

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Speaker 3: didn't is pretty damning, isn't it.

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Speaker 24: It does sound pretty dumbing as you suggest. I mean,

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Speaker 24: I'm still digesting the report myself. But the reports in

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Speaker 24: here are deeply troubling, and you know, and if many

1135
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Speaker 24: of them are even close to being two, we really

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Speaker 24: should be asking some hard questions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much. So, all right, Timulism, what do you

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00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: think of the roadside drug testing? I am here for it,

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: but I feel like a lot of people are going

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Speaker 3: to have to knock their drug habits on the head.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's true.

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Speaker 23: I mean, I think I think we can all agree

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Speaker 23: that drugs are bad and five minutes of testing is

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Speaker 23: worth it. You know, when you hear that number of

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00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 23: thirty percent of all road deaths they're from impairing drugs,

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Speaker 23: and put that in the wider context. We're talking about

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Speaker 23: meth earlier in the week, and the Methews in New

1148
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Speaker 23: Zealand has double, It's like, what's wrong with us?

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00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: We need to jump on this, Greig, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon? There'll be a whole bunch of them,

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Speaker 3: a pot that just gets put aside every weekend.

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Speaker 24: Now, well, hopefully if people aren't driving in cars under

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Speaker 24: the influence of drugs, that's a good thing for everyone. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 24: you know, you'll find no argument from me in that space.

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Speaker 24: The one thing I do wonder is whether or not

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Speaker 24: historic drug use, which isn't impairing someone's ability to drive

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Speaker 24: at the time, becomes a challenge. But you know there's

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Speaker 24: you know, drugs and driving don't mix.

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Speaker 3: Are you suggesting, Craig that we're going to have to

1160
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Speaker 3: iron out a few wrinkles as we go along here?

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Speaker 24: I think, you know, human life is messy, and these

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00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 24: these kits and tests aren't you know, one hundred percent

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00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 24: infallible and will probably all all end up in court

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00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 24: many many times working out exactly what the law is

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Speaker 24: here with Anything that helps get impaired drivers off the

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Speaker 24: road is truly a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, totally, Tim, How do you feel about the esset styles?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Look, I'm actually you know what I'm interested to here

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Speaker 12: because we announced as candidacy for the Labor Party on

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Speaker 12: the show a few you know, a few issues back

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Speaker 12: or episodes back, and I just think there could be

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Speaker 12: a possibility here for between between Labor and New Zealand.

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Speaker 25: What have you got to say, Craig, Yeah, go on, Craig,

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Speaker 25: you may you may have you may have announced my

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Speaker 25: candidacy but I'm not doing it on this show. And

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Speaker 25: I can tell and I can tell you, and I

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Speaker 25: can tell you what you said me that I have

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Speaker 25: a future finance minister on the show, which is lovely.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 24: However, every time does suggest a slight lack of confidence

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Speaker 24: in the current finance minister.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of.

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Speaker 24: Fantastic but in terms of the but in terms of this,

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Speaker 24: I think, you know, I find myself in complete agreement

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Speaker 24: with Winston Peters. We we we have public assets that

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Speaker 24: you know, are held for public reasons. They're delivering often

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Speaker 24: public services. We want to make sure we're investing more

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Speaker 24: in them. If they're not working well, that's not reason

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Speaker 24: to sell them. That's the reason to actually make sure

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Speaker 24: they're working well. And they may well need reform.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 24: Around around the world, sales of public assets often haven't

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Speaker 24: led to better outcomes for consumers or for government.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Tim, I want your take after the break, Can

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Speaker 3: I just remind everyone we've got a six o'clock press

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Speaker 3: conference with the Police Minister and the current Police Commissioner

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Speaker 3: about the GEMCS skimming and the Andrew Costa stuff. Sixteen

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

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Speaker 2: leader and luxury real estate.

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Speaker 3: Right back to the huddle, Tim Wilson, Craig Grinny Wright.

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Speaker 3: Tim wants your take on the asset sales.

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Speaker 23: You here for it, Yeah, look and framing it. One

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Speaker 23: of the things that came up in that discussion was

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Speaker 23: power prices and power is absolutely an abundance of power

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Speaker 23: as an abundance of prosperity where our power is too

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Speaker 23: expensive and we need to find more ways to generate it.

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Speaker 23: But with the status quo, we've got a conflict of

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Speaker 23: interest because the market regulator is also a majority shareholder

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Speaker 23: in the gen tailors. And we've had discussions with some

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Speaker 23: top level power people around the country at maxim and

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Speaker 23: they say the one thing that would fix this is competition.

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Speaker 23: So I said, we need to really look at the

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Speaker 23: competitive model at least to also bring in other means

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Speaker 23: of generating power so that we can get more power.

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Speaker 22: Do more with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Fair enough, I mean, yeah, I take your point

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Speaker 3: on that.

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Speaker 22: Craig.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Donald Trump soon suing the BBC.

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Speaker 24: Oh I think you know he's sued many outlets. He's

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Speaker 24: not a man who's afraid of litigation against what he

1224
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 24: sued CBS, he sued the New York Times. You know,

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00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 24: he sued a range with the media. Let's this may

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Speaker 24: just be one, you know, his way of you know,

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Speaker 24: of gaining media attention, but not that he needs it, as.

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Speaker 26: You the wrong.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what the Bee did was horrific.

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Speaker 24: Well, what it appears to be is that they've you know,

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Speaker 24: they've certainly edited something out of sequence, you know, and

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Speaker 24: he's probably got grounds to complain about it.

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Speaker 3: But it's probably got grounds to complain about. It's not

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Speaker 3: been amising it. It's horrific.

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Speaker 23: They completely misrepresented.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's outrageous.

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Speaker 23: So it's like there's currently the BBC has Rodaldell this

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Speaker 23: morning saying, oh, you know, they're quoting external voices about

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Speaker 23: a right wing coup overtaking the BBC actually misrepresenting someone.

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Speaker 23: Isn't a right wing qup being spent for it, isn't

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Speaker 23: a right wing qup.

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Speaker 24: It's called justice too right now, Craig, do you want

1243
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Speaker 24: to try go threatening?

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Speaker 1: Threatening?

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Speaker 24: Threatening to sue the BBC for a billion dollars as

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Speaker 24: a consequence is probably a bit of a stretch, A

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Speaker 24: bit of a stretch, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you want to try again, Craig and

1249
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Speaker 3: say something like what the BBC did was horrific?

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Speaker 24: Well, certainly, I think what the BBC did was incorrect.

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Speaker 24: I'm not sure i'd used the word horrific. I limited,

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Speaker 24: I mean, I may limit the use of the word

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Speaker 24: horrific to slatelyly worse than than that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, remember it is it is my wheelhouse. So

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm more shock than the average person.

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Speaker 6: I am.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Can I just say? I don't know if you

1258
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Speaker 3: heard me saying this before ten, but I am loving

1259
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Speaker 3: consumer New Zealand at the moment. What about you?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Look I me too?

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Speaker 18: Me too?

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Speaker 23: Look they have the yearn R Awards for confusing messaging,

1263
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Speaker 23: failure of a legal standard, absolute rip offs. Can we

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Speaker 23: get the consumer to run with the BBC? Because I

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Speaker 23: think the BBC would lose the year that awards?

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Speaker 3: How good from you to make this about the BBC again?

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Speaker 3: Are you loving Craig? I won't make you do it again. Craig,

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Speaker 3: tell me what you think of consuming New Zealand. Are

1269
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Speaker 3: you loving them as much as I am?

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Speaker 22: I am?

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Speaker 24: You know we have fabulously uncompetitive markets in New Zealand.

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Speaker 24: You know, be the electricity marketers, as we've discussed earlier,

1273
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Speaker 24: all supermarkets or banks that are making multi billion dollar

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Speaker 24: profits and shipping them overseas. There are plenty of areas

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Speaker 24: in which we need better competition in New Zealand than

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Speaker 24: anything that helps others clearly benefit off on New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Now listen, Craig. First of all, are you okay that

1278
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Speaker 3: we keep ribbing you about the fact that you're going

1279
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Speaker 3: to be a future life find You are okay? And

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Speaker 3: so when like, give us a time frame for what.

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Speaker 24: We're dealing with here, I'm not doing. You an'ten for anything, Heather.

1282
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Speaker 24: You can keep ribbing me for as long as you're.

1283
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Speaker 3: Like, like, what decade are we dealing with for you

1284
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Speaker 3: take your potential candidacy for the Labor Party.

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Speaker 12: I can.

1286
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Speaker 24: I can tell you that I'm not going to announce

1287
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Speaker 24: anything on this radio. Sure, Heather that you know you

1288
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Speaker 24: can keep ribbing me for as long.

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Speaker 5: As you like.

1290
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Speaker 23: Let's announce the future governing coalition between Labor and New Zealand.

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Speaker 12: First, you heard it here. First take it to the bank, Greg,

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Speaker 12: Where are you going.

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Speaker 3: To announce it? If you don't announce it to the

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Speaker 3: biggest audience at drive time in the country.

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Speaker 24: Again again, Heather, for the benefit of the tape. I'm

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Speaker 24: not going to be announcing anything. I'm the show, but

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Speaker 24: what I will do is happily come on this show

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Speaker 24: and criticize what the current government's doing because it is

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Speaker 24: not helping a whole range of people right now and

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Speaker 24: New Zealand, particularly on the economy.

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Speaker 3: Very good, hey guys, it's lovely to cheat to the

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Speaker 3: fair of you. Thanks very much, Tim Wilson, Craig Reddy,

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Speaker 3: hud of this evening. And remember six o'clock we've got

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Speaker 3: the press conference about Jim mcskimming and Andrew Coston. Nine

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 2: Six, it's the Heather Dooper cee allan Drive full show

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Speaker 2: podcast on my Art Radio powered by News Talk Zibbie.

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Speaker 3: Did you see the story about Costco today or the

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Speaker 3: Herald Costco's coming to Drury? How good is that Costco

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Speaker 3: is coming to Drury?

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Speaker 22: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why I love it because I was

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Speaker 3: at my brother's house at the weekend and he was saying,

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Speaker 3: he's a classic man. It's like he's like a hunting man,

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Speaker 3: you know, like you know, you know, how ugh, everything

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Speaker 3: is just so you know, black and white. And he's like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why people go to the supermarket and

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Speaker 3: buy like one packet of toilet rolls when you can

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Speaker 3: go somewhere and buy like fifty thousand toilet rolls.

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Speaker 22: It's efficient.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you do it? And I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: you don't have a costco near you, do you that's

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Speaker 3: your problem. Well now he does, because it's coming to Drury.

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Speaker 3: And thank you to the Herald for revealing that, I

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Speaker 3: think accidentally. But anyway, we'll take it five away from six.

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Speaker 3: Now listen, I've got something they might give you a

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Speaker 3: little bit of hope. The Auckland councilors have given their

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Speaker 3: maiden speeches today and one of them is the new

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Speaker 3: Albany Ward councilor, Victoria Short. And then her speech, she

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Speaker 3: revealed that she got pregnant at eighteen. So let me

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Speaker 3: this is what she said. She said, if you were

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Speaker 3: to tell me when I was eighteen, pregnant, with no

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Speaker 3: job and no money, that I would become a freaking

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Speaker 3: counselor for the Albany Ward, I would not have believed you.

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Speaker 3: I have never shared this journey publicly, but it shaped

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Speaker 3: me into who I am. Today. She said she never

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Speaker 3: had an academic spark. She said, I was kindly asked

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Speaker 3: to leave Long Bay College because my grades and attendance

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Speaker 3: had seriously flatlined. She said she left school at seventeen

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Speaker 3: because she was asked to. She got into a relationship.

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Speaker 3: She chased the weekend like it was the only thing

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Speaker 3: that mattered. And then at eighteen, I was pregnant with

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Speaker 3: my first child. I had deeply disappointed my family. The

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Speaker 3: next five years, she reckons with the darkest of her life.

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Speaker 3: She was in a relationship quote deep in manipulation, domestic violence,

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Speaker 3: and isolation. Her two daughters were the one light of

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Speaker 3: her life. And then Victoria Short got the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: work in Murray mccully's North Shore office. She said, I

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Speaker 3: had been following an MP called Paula Bennett, who I

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Speaker 3: related to so much. She was a young solo mum

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Speaker 3: and had also started off her political career in Murray

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Speaker 3: mccully's office in Browns Bay. So I found myself consumed

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Speaker 3: in the world of central politics. I read policies, do

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Speaker 3: hours of research. I tried to become a subject matter

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Speaker 3: expert on anything that was needed. I loved my job,

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Speaker 3: and then in twenty nineteen, so six years ago she

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Speaker 3: ran for local board. She spent the next six years

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Speaker 3: representing the High Biscus Coast and also going to university,

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Speaker 3: which she said was really intimidating for someone who had

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Speaker 3: never finished high school. She added, the struggles you endure

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Speaker 3: do not define you, they forge you. What an absolute example?

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Speaker 3: How good is that? What an example to people who

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Speaker 3: find themselves making bad decisions? Is always a way out

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Speaker 3: of it?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: It is coming up to six o'clock very quickly, so

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Speaker 3: we're going to be taking that press conference. Will bring

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Speaker 3: you the press conference live if we're able to when

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Speaker 3: it starts as it kicks off. And let's see how

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Speaker 3: much trouble Andrew cost is it? News talks b.

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Speaker 26: N Stonker non send sitting long call true, no money

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Speaker 26: knows what I'm gone and through at the table when

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Speaker 26: in walking mushroo.

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Speaker 1: Where some much.

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Speaker 26: It's a little good news? Any mean, isn't it something

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Speaker 26: made bad? Tim the middle not only means a little?

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Speaker 1: What's up? What's down? What will it make your calls?

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Speaker 1: And how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 2: The Big Business Questions on the Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 2: dupic Allen and Mass motor vehicle insurance, your future shipped,

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Speaker 2: good hands used talk sed be right.

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Speaker 3: Good evening coming up in the next hour or what's

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Speaker 3: left of it. We're gonna go to Jamie McKay Inde

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Speaker 3: Brady's with us out of the UK, and then the

1385
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Speaker 3: former White House Chief Information Officer is going to talk

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Speaker 3: us through how we will be able to tell what's

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Speaker 3: real and what's not once AI actually kicks off and

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: gets good at making fake pictures. At sixteen past six. Now,

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Speaker 3: I think, if you want to take anything away from

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Speaker 3: that press conference, Andrew cost has gone. His career in

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Speaker 3: the public service is over right because at the moment

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Speaker 3: he is running. They'd moved him, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: moved him from police commissioner over to boss of the

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Speaker 3: Social Investment Agency. Impossible to see him continue after he

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Speaker 3: was basically involved in ignoring the complaints against Jeim mcskimming.

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Speaker 3: And we know how serious things are against Jevim mcskimming.

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Speaker 3: I mean the guys pleaded guilty to best reality and

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Speaker 3: child porn charges. Now the complaints just we haven't mentioned this,

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Speaker 3: the complaints that his ax. Remember he was in his forties,

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Speaker 3: he was sleeping with another staff member in her early

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Speaker 3: twenties got her a job in the police, which already

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Speaker 3: you know is kind of our that's a problem in

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Speaker 3: and of itself. The complaints that she had tried to

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Speaker 3: laid against him, which were formerly referred to the IPCA

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Speaker 3: on the tenth of October last year, included allegations of

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Speaker 3: sexual interaction without consent, threats to use an intimate visual recording,

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Speaker 3: misuse of a police credit card and police property to

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Speaker 3: further a sexual relationship. Some of the complaints, the IPCA says,

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Speaker 3: alleged criminal conduct, while others alleged behavior constituting a potential

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Speaker 3: breach of the Police Code of Conduct. We're waiting for

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Speaker 3: a statement from Nichola Willis, who is the Minister in

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Speaker 3: charge of the Social Investment Agency, and when it comes through,

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Speaker 3: do not be surprised if it says that's the end

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Speaker 3: of Andrew Costa. Joe Emmackay's next seventeen Past.

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Speaker 2: It's the Head, Duper Cell and Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 3: Staying connected isn't just convenient, it's critical and with one

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Speaker 3: That is forty percent more of our land mass. You

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Speaker 3: can even get coverage out to see on average up

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Speaker 3: to eighty five nautical miles. Now it's no secret that

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Speaker 3: business doesn't just happen in boardrooms anymore. A It happens

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Speaker 3: on the road, site, on site, on the farm, on

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Speaker 3: the move and sometimes in places where coverage used to

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Speaker 3: VID from anywhere in New Zealand wherever they can see

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Speaker 3: the sky basically and when the unexpected hits you know

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Speaker 3: we're talking storms, outage, just natural disasters. Satellite coverage means

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Speaker 3: your business stays connected. So as well as better coverage,

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Speaker 3: it's an added layer of safety that your people, wherever

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Speaker 3: work takes them, will have the Only way to get

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Speaker 3: this world first satellite connectivity for your business in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand is with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: Yet, Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with MAS

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Speaker 2: Motor Vehicle Insurance, your futures in good hands.

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Speaker 1: Used talks, I'd be.

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Speaker 3: Six twenty one. Nikola Willis's statement has arrived. I'll get

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Speaker 3: it to you shortly, but right now we have Jamie McKay,

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Speaker 3: the host of the Country. Hey, Jamie, can I head

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Speaker 3: You've got an armist's day story for us?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, about a Southland farmer. I thought I'd better have

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 27: a rural link in this rural slot on your high

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01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 27: ratings show. It's about a Southland farmer who was an

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Speaker 27: otago mounted rifle and he was wounded twice at Callipoli,

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Speaker 27: evacuated to each ship, got back and participated in the

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Speaker 27: rearguard action on the last night of the evacuation from Gallipoli,

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 27: went back to Egypt, got transferred to the Western Front

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 27: in nineteen sixteen. That's the equivalent of a deadly World

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Speaker 27: War I Cornella at the Battle of Messines in June

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01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 27: nineteen seventeen, a prelude to passiondal New Zealand suffered three

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Speaker 27: thy seven hundred casualties On the day before the big attack.

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Speaker 27: He badly sprained his ankle evading shell fire laced with POISONOUSCS.

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01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 27: His breathing deteriorated. He was listed as dangerously ill with pneumonia.

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Speaker 27: He was shipped to a hospital near Southampton, where his

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Speaker 27: condition worsened, and later years he recounted the story of

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Speaker 27: being in an overcrowded, unsupervised ward and for reasons unknown

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Speaker 27: being denied water, severely dehydrated, and in a state of delirium.

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Speaker 27: He refused to give in, and in the middle of

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Speaker 27: the night he climbed down from his bed, crawled to

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Speaker 27: a bucket of filthy mop walk at water which had

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Speaker 27: been left in the ward, and he drank it. He

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Speaker 27: always maintained that water saved his life. Like other soldiers

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Speaker 27: disenchanted by the horror of first of the First World War,

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Speaker 27: he became something of a pacifist, drank heavily in the

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Speaker 27: company of his army cobbers, and spent a lifetime be

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Speaker 27: deviled by nightmares. He smoked a tobacco pipe until the

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Speaker 27: last week of his life. His nurses at the hospital

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Speaker 27: and in Picago had to pry it from his hand,

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Speaker 27: and he died of pneumonia, aged eighty in June nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 27: He was Hugh McKay, my grandfather and Barry's grandfather.

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Speaker 3: What a great story, and as it turns out, my

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Speaker 3: children's greatgrandfather. Hey, thank you very much exactly. Thank you, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it's a lovely young that's Jamie McKay, Hosts

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Speaker 3: of the Country. Okay, here we go. Andrew Coster's not

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Speaker 3: step down from the role has gone on leave. Former

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Speaker 3: Police Commissioner Andrew Coster has agreed to go on leave

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Speaker 3: from his current role as the Chief Executive of the

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Speaker 3: Social Investment Agency. Minister of Finance statement while actually Minister

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Speaker 3: of the Social and MBAs Agency, Nikola Willis says, I

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 3: read the Independent Police Conduct Authorities report on Sunday. I

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01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 3: was shocked and appalled by its findings. I have conveyed

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 3: my views to the Public Service Commissioner Brian Roach. The

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01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 3: matter now sits with him as Coster's employers, that they've

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 3: taken the first step. He's gone six twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: It's all on the business hour where the heather Duper

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Speaker 2: Sillen and mass motor vehicle insurance, your futures in good

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Speaker 2: hands news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be he that there's no way cost it can stay. Now,

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 3: let's hope he has the guts to resign hither. I'm

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 3: currently on Queen Street. Someone just threw a traffic cone

1495
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: at me. Jos Luxeon's clean up can't come soon enough.

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 3: Now this is for the business for Chloe who thinks

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01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 3: Queen Street's fine, Heather, there are hundreds of farms for

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 3: sale every week. I'm not sure why you think land

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Speaker 3: corpse farms will provide any more opportunities to young farmers

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Speaker 3: than already exist. They're mostly very large and an undesirable areas,

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01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 3: not exactly first farms. Well, that's probably a fair point

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Speaker 3: to make. Listen, Can I just to point something out

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Speaker 3: to you right this? I think there are going to

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 3: be questions about asked of politicians because go reach our

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 3: Savage's article on the Herald, The anonymous allegations were sent

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Speaker 3: to politicians, senior police officers, government officials and journalists. Which

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01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 3: politiciansky which one's news is next?

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Speaker 1: Beware, I'm thinking strong to sing.

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Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 2: with head, the duplicy Allen and Mass motor vehicle insurance,

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Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands used talks 'b.

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Speaker 7: I read that your.

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: Goody is going to appear to us out of the

1514
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 3: UK in about ten minutes time. It's twenty five to seven.

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01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 3: Now let's talk about AI. Do you sometimes look at

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01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 3: a picture or a video and wonder, HM, is this real?

1517
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 3: Or is this AI? How much of the fear around

1518
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 3: AI is founded? Theresa Payton is a former White House

1519
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 3: information officer. She's in the country for Sparks Take Summit

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 3: Underweight at the moment. Let's talk to her High Teresa.

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01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 28: Hi, how are you well?

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01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: Thank you? Do you think we will ever get to

1523
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: a world where we will look at a picture and

1524
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: not know if it's AI or not? We're there now?

1525
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 28: Oh, I can tell the difference, so can't you most

1526
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 28: of the time, But sometimes no time, I have to

1527
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 28: really take a look at it a little closer. So

1528
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 28: we're getting closer and closer to the day you.

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01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 3: Won't be able to take okay. So but the experts

1530
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,799
Speaker 3: at the moment can still like, okay, some of its

1531
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 3: Normal people can see through most of it. The experts

1532
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 3: can still see through. Will we ever get to a

1533
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 3: day where I will put it in front of you

1534
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 3: and you'll go, I actually don't know. Yes, how far

1535
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: away this year? What does that say about our ability

1536
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 3: to prove things?

1537
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 5: Well?

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01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 28: I mean, here's the thing, trust, it's one of our

1539
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 28: most valuable assets, and it's now one of our most

1540
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 28: vulnerable assets. You can't even trust your own eyes. But

1541
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 28: the technology is there where what we can do in

1542
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 28: the very near future. The question is which one's going

1543
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 28: to win out? Is like, for example, you could tell

1544
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 28: whether or not our voice is the two of us

1545
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 28: talking or are you actually talking to a voice clone

1546
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 28: of me? So there is technology now that could say

1547
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 28: this is of human origin or this is of computer origan.

1548
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 3: So do you think there will always be technology that

1549
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 3: will be able to tell us the truth? Yes, but the.

1550
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 28: Question is will it be implemented into the process fast

1551
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 28: enough before we get duped by fraud starers and criminals.

1552
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 3: And will it be accessible enough because the problem is obviously,

1553
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,919
Speaker 3: as a member of the media, we often rely on photographs, videos,

1554
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 3: audio documents to say the thing that we are alleging

1555
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 3: is true because here's the proof, right, Yes, So if

1556
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 3: AI is able to kind of confound that and I

1557
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 3: can't use that anymore, will I always be able to

1558
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: rely on the technology to back me up and go, no,

1559
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 3: that is really the truth?

1560
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 28: You should be able to the other thing to think about, too,

1561
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 28: is we can watermark. So for example, this conversation you

1562
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 28: and I are having. The radio station could water mark

1563
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 28: that conversation, so if somebody tries to meddle with it,

1564
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 28: that AI would know. So it's like, in my mind

1565
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 28: what has to happen is all the tech product companies

1566
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 28: when they edit something, it needs to say what you're

1567
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 28: about to hear has been produced by General Taveika. It's

1568
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 28: like there needs to be a disclaimer, like there is

1569
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 28: things that are unhealthy for it.

1570
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 3: How only the good guys are going to do it?

1571
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 3: Though the bad guys won't. But you can see how

1572
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 3: you can see how you know? Yeah, sure we can

1573
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,480
Speaker 3: prove and disprove, but there could just be this proliferation

1574
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 3: of stuff that is untrustworthy. And we're kind of on

1575
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 3: our own, don't we.

1576
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 28: Yeah, well, we somewhat are on our own to you know,

1577
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 28: I say, we used to be in a place where

1578
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 28: it was trust but verify, and now I say, never trust,

1579
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 28: always verify, Verify, Verify and verify one more time.

1580
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So what do you worry about what seems

1581
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 3: to be the worst case scenario with AI, which is

1582
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 3: that we lose control? Yes? Do you really?

1583
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 28: I really do worry about that?

1584
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 3: Okay, how far away is that if it happens well, I.

1585
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 28: Think there's a lot of really smart people around the world,

1586
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 28: New Zealand included, who are having really hard conversations around

1587
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 28: governance and guardrails for AI. So my hope is those

1588
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 28: hard conversations will turn into governance and guardrails before we

1589
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 28: hit this. But I do think twenty twenty seven, twenty

1590
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 28: twenty eight, if we don't get this right now, this

1591
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 28: isn't you know how we put things off with social media.

1592
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 28: It's still a little bit of a dumpster fire sometimes. Yeah,

1593
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 28: if we don't get this right, this is different.

1594
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: And what happens if we lose control what dees I

1595
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 3: aw I do well.

1596
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 28: For starters, it's a huge energy hog. So if you

1597
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 28: love the planet, it can run infinitely and tell itself

1598
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 28: to keep running. We've already seen in labs where researchers

1599
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 28: who are, you know, kind of like your ethical hackers,

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,440
Speaker 28: they try to see if they can trick the generative

1601
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 28: AI into creating kill switches, telling it don't create a

1602
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 28: kill switch for yourself, or don't create a an override

1603
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 28: to the kill switch, and they see where it basically

1604
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 28: becomes self preserving and does it and it tries to

1605
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 28: create something where you can't turn it off.

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Does it succeed in some of these

1607
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 3: lab in some.

1608
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 28: Of these lab cases in limited areas?

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01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 22: Yes?

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01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 3: Can we not override it?

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01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 21: Then?

1612
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 3: Will we not always have an override function?

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01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 28: The question is as will you have engineers who really

1614
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 28: know how it works?

1615
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 3: Why don't you just go to the wall and pull

1616
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 3: it out?

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 28: I mean that's yeah, ideally, right, just pull it out,

1618
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 28: sort of like the movie Airplane and he unplugged the runway.

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01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm serious. Is that always going to be

1620
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 3: an option that we could It.

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01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 7: May not be.

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01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 28: It may not be because here's the thing. If you

1623
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 28: cut the power to the mainframe, you don't know if

1624
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 28: it already proliferated itself.

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01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 3: To someplace else.

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01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 3: You haven't just watched too many movies, have you, Teresa?

1628
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 28: No, I don't have time for movies.

1629
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 3: It's all in my head. What is the thing that

1630
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 3: you are most worried about? I worry about.

1631
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 28: Losing human essence as part of sort of the story.

1632
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 28: And so, for example, I've watched side by sides of

1633
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 28: the same person interacting with a customer service agent and

1634
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 28: you can hear their voice and you can hear the

1635
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 28: human essence and the interaction between the two. And then

1636
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 28: they opted in the next phone call to talk to

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01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 28: a customer service bot because they didn't have to wait

1638
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 28: if they talked to the bot, and they started responding

1639
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 28: like the robot like without the essence like.

1640
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 3: It was like kind of rude and short, perfunctory.

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01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,480
Speaker 28: So if we spend more time of our day interacting

1642
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 28: with customer service chatbots instead of each other, we're going

1643
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 28: to start to lose that because that's muscle memory for

1644
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 28: us to be polite and to be nice. And so

1645
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,759
Speaker 28: if your muscle memory becomes be just do the task

1646
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 28: and have no emotion, I worry about us losing our

1647
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 28: human essence.

1648
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And isn't it also, I mean, you make me

1649
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 3: think we have such a problem with loneliness, right, you

1650
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 3: don't like the interactions that you had maybe one hundred

1651
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 3: years ago. You go to the SuperMac could get the kids,

1652
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 3: go to the kids' school and direct with the teachers,

1653
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 3: all that stuff that you would do in your day.

1654
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 3: We've lost so much of that. And doesn't that just

1655
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 3: actually doesn't Ali have the ability here to actually just

1656
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: make that worse? It does?

1657
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,560
Speaker 28: And so we're seeing. So you know, it's sort of

1658
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 28: like two sides of the same coin. So on one side,

1659
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 28: for somebody who is lonely, it would be nice for

1660
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 28: them to have an outlet or to be able to game.

1661
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 28: Maybe they're very socially awkward, and so maybe they can

1662
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 28: kind of like use it as a coach to help

1663
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 28: them get the courage up to leave the house and

1664
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 28: go to a party, for example. But what we're seeing

1665
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 28: is that because of the way these chat butts are created,

1666
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 28: is they want you to come back for more. So

1667
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 28: if they're basically designed to give you more of what

1668
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 28: you came for, which means addictive properties, And if it's

1669
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 28: addictive that way, then you'll find And there was a

1670
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 28: story in the Wall Street Journal that somebody said, look,

1671
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 28: I'm an extrovert, and I became more introverted the more

1672
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 28: I talked to my chatbot. Interesting, So it's addictive and

1673
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 28: the person like literally had to have somebody in their

1674
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 28: life say I think you spend too much time talking

1675
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 28: to your phone talking to a bot.

1676
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: I'm just like that movie she isn't it?

1677
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 12: Yes?

1678
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you use it for in a good way?

1679
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 28: Oh, there's so many amazing ways. So I'm trying to

1680
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 28: learn Italian, and so I have a chatbot that I

1681
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 28: use to kind of quiz me on my Italian flash cards,

1682
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 28: so that can be really helpful. I actually tell people

1683
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 28: instead of like asking it just to like summarize something.

1684
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 28: Sometimes I'll say, if you were Bob Iger, how would

1685
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 28: you read this article and how would you summarize it?

1686
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 28: Or if I'm trying to brainstorm, you know, I run

1687
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 28: a company. I've got thirty employees, and sometimes I'm trying

1688
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 28: to brainstorm on a different way to present our services

1689
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 28: to clients. And so you can kind of go in

1690
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 28: this roleplay mode and do that. So there's a lot

1691
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 28: of really positive uses for it.

1692
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, it's been very nice to talk to you.

1693
01:20:58,439 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 3: Thanks for chatting to.

1694
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 28: It's been amazing. And be with you here INSTEADY agreed

1695
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 28: to meet you.

1696
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, go well.

1697
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Speaker 3: Teresa Paton, CEO of Fortaalized Solutions and of course former

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Speaker 3: White House Chief Information Officer. It's coming up sixteen away

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Speaker 21: like a duck, it.

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Speaker 3: So how do we rate the chances that Trump actually

1716
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Speaker 3: follows through on that suit?

1717
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Speaker 19: Well, I'm not sure. The BBC currently has a billion

1718
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Speaker 19: dollars in the bank just waiting for Donald Trump to

1719
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Speaker 19: take it. It's a threat. And it's really interesting because

1720
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Speaker 19: I just watched last night that movie The Apprentice, and

1721
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 19: in the opening sequence where he meets the lawyer Cohen,

1722
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Speaker 19: the lawyer says to a young Donald Trump, you got

1723
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Speaker 19: to slap them with a lawsuit, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 19: he's done with the BBC here. So it's very interesting

1725
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Speaker 19: the Trump playbook, and I think what we're going to

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Speaker 19: see is another apology from the BBC, because yesterday I

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Speaker 19: don't think went far enough. Kind of a robust defense

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Speaker 19: of their journalism, and that's all well and good, but

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Speaker 19: they've been caught redhanded here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, what I've noticed is you've got a lot

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Speaker 3: of defense and minimization that's going on here. I mean

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Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of people Emily Matelis Lewis Good

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Speaker 3: or people like that, all saying there's a hysteria and

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Speaker 3: completely overhyped and really not a big deal. What do

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Speaker 3: you think.

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Speaker 19: I think it's a very big deal. It goes to

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Speaker 19: the absolute fundamental tenet of journalism, the facts. And they

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Speaker 19: whoever edited that Trump interview fifty four minutes was the

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Speaker 19: gap between the two clips, by the way, fifty four minutes.

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Speaker 19: So this was not something that was just done by accident.

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Speaker 19: This was done for dramatic purposes and to make him

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Speaker 19: look as if he was calling on people to go

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Speaker 19: to Capitol Hill and fight. And we all know what

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Speaker 19: happened that January day a few years back. I think

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Speaker 19: it's very very bad. And I think the BBC response

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01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 19: last week, when day after day this was in the

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Speaker 19: papers one day after the other, and they were dithering

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Speaker 19: and they were meetings, I think the problem with the

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01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,879
Speaker 19: BBC's layer upon layer of management. It's like an onion.

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Speaker 19: And having worked at Sky News for seventeen years, the

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Speaker 19: head guy who I worked for directly for seventeen years,

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Speaker 19: John Riley, not only was his door always open, he

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 19: actually took the door off its hinges so he could

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01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 19: interact with people. And there was no getting away from

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01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 19: the guy. If you're in an edit, sweet, he'd come

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Speaker 19: in and watch you work. You know, he was an

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01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 19: amazing boss. I learned so much from him, and I

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 19: think what the BBC struggle with is that the director

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01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 19: General is so far away from the average working member

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Speaker 19: of staff being able to say, Hey, Tim, I've got

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Speaker 19: an idea. You'll get as far as Tim's pa and

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Speaker 19: she'll give you a date sometime in April.

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Speaker 3: Now explain to me, then, Howard is that you have

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Speaker 3: people who I would consider to be a highly respected

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01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 3: journalist making excuses. How you've got people saying this is

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Speaker 3: some sort of a clue going on instead of acknowledging

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Speaker 3: what it is.

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Speaker 19: Because I think they're BBC lifers and their entire career

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01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 19: has been built around the BBC and they don't want

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01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 19: to shake the boat. I think We need people now

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 19: to take a step back and realize this is very serious.

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 19: The most powerful man in the world, and whether people

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01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 19: like Trump or hate him, they've made him say something

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01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 19: he categorically did not say, and it was done for

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01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 19: dramatic effect, and it was done to paint him in

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Speaker 19: the bad light in the run up to an election.

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Speaker 19: And what's he now saying electoral interference? I mean if

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01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 19: it was the other way around, if it was done

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01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 19: here that Keir Starmer had been chopped up and some

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01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 19: interview spliced together to make it look as if he'd

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01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 19: said some thing he hadn't, people would be up in arms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too, right, that's a very fait point. Now, explain

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Speaker 3: to me what's going on with Andrew's surname.

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Speaker 26: Ha, Well, it.

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Speaker 19: Appears he's getting a new title. They're giving him a hyphen.

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Speaker 19: He will be Mount Batton Hyphen Windsor.

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Speaker 22: Now.

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Speaker 19: There's been a lot of discussion in the papers today.

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Speaker 19: Apparently his mother went to the Privy Council after he

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01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 19: was born in the sixties and made it clear that

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Speaker 19: she wanted the family surname to be Mount Batton Hyphen Windsor.

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01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 19: So eyebrows were raised. The other week when he was

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01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 19: just a civilian given the name Mount Batton Windsor, and

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01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 19: that he would just be like everyone else because there

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01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 19: was no hyphen in there. Apparently it was his mother's

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01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 19: wish that the hyphen be included. So another Andrew's story

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01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 19: in the papers today. Yeah, I mean he's probably glad

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01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 19: of the BBC at the moment.

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Speaker 3: What does it matter with his hyphen or not? I

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01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 3: don't get it true.

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Speaker 19: Oh look, I think he had. You need to be

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01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 19: of certain British aristocrats stock and there will be some

1803
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 19: incredible story from the seventeen eighties about some lord who

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01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 19: came up with the idea to have a hyphen and

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Speaker 19: then there was a feudal row with his brother or

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01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 19: cousin over the hyphen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just got a hyphen, Inda, does that

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01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 3: mean unfleshed?

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Speaker 19: I think you're a posture and I thought you were.

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Speaker 3: Ah, and I thank you into hyphen, Brady appreciated UK correspondent. Apparently, actually,

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Speaker 3: though I do have a hyphen, I actually did the

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Speaker 3: hyphen myself. Long long long story, but was actually born Allen.

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Speaker 3: So my name is Hara Alan, like a proper Scottish

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01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 3: name like Allen, but then of course, oh lord, here

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01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 3: we're getting into so now, okay, I'm giving you the story. Okay,

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01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 3: So then what happened was my dad nicked off back

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand when I was about five years old

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01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 3: or something like, maybe even a younger than them. Have No,

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01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,560
Speaker 3: I was five, my brother was three, and so my

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Speaker 3: mum raised us right, and so she's the douplicy, she's

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Speaker 3: the South African. And so I was like, hey, listen,

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01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 3: let's honor the lady who did all the hard work here.

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Speaker 3: So I took my mum's surname and then I hyphenated

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Speaker 3: it with my dad's. My brother was just like an

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01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 3: ut bugger this altogether, and so he just dropped the

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Speaker 3: allen all together and just went for my mum's surname douplassy. Anyway, anyway,

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01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 3: that so I thought I was a bit flash for

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01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 3: a bit there. I was like, hm, hm, I've got

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Speaker 3: a hyphen, big deal. But now I'm reading I've read, Well,

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01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 3: look at all the like rugby league players. They've all

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01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 3: got hyphens, haven't they. Charms, Nicole clock start, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: You're hardly gonna say that a rugby league player is

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Speaker 3: an aristocratic. I'm not casting aspersions. I'm just like, it's

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Speaker 3: just a fact. So what's happened is that the hyphen,

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Speaker 3: which was once the height of aristocracy, is now basically

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01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 3: just like a middle class like thing. Everybody has it now.

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01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 3: So if you've got a hyphen like me, get rid

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01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 3: of it. It's NAF seven away from seven.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Toplas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: Heather, if you've got a hyphenated names your name, you're

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01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 3: a narcissist.

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Speaker 5: That is though.

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01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 3: That is fair because remember we talked about narcissism on

1845
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 3: the show yesterday, and you need names and stuff are

1846
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 3: absolutely traits of narcissism. So yeah, thanks for you're not wrong. Hey,

1847
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 3: there's a bit of controversy involving Chris Luxen that we

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01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 3: haven't had time to discuss. I'm going to dicuss it

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01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 3: with you really quickly. He's given a press conference today

1850
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 3: in front of a Christmas tree, and the date is

1851
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 3: November eleven, and this has prompted a poll online and

1852
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 3: these are the results. Sixty six percent of people say,

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01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 3: quite rightly, it is way too early to put up

1854
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 3: a tree. It's got to be at least December. Obviously,

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01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 3: fourteen percent of people are going to do it in

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01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 3: the next twtnight, which is nuts, and nine percent of

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01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 3: people have done it already. There is also eleven percent

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,560
Speaker 3: who don't do trees, but nobody really cares about the

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01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 3: grinches ants.

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Speaker 29: Where are you on this bah humbug? Heather, Well, it's nice, Yeah, definitely,

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01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 29: I'm going to the core of that eleven percent. What's

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01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 29: my age again? By Blink one eight two to play

1863
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 29: us out tonight. Now they are not going to Australia

1864
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 29: in twenty twenty six as far as we know, but

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01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 29: Mark Hoppers the basist is he's going to be doing

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01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 29: some talks. He's going to be doing a talk at

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01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 29: the Melbourne Recital Center and at the Sydney Opera House

1868
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 29: just about his life because he put a memoir out

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01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 29: last year called Fahrenheit one eight two. So this is

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01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 29: kind of like a book tour. So you go along

1871
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 29: and you don't get to see him play bass, but

1872
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 29: he will talk about, you know, growing up in California

1873
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 29: and all the other than would would you?

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Speaker 22: I wouldn't know.

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01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 8: I don't know if it was my favorite musician.

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01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 29: I don't if I'd rather go watch someone played.

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01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 22: Is that bad?

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01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 5: No?

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01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 3: No, I think we like you because of your singing,

1880
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 3: not because of your talking. So yeah, I'm with you

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Speaker 3: on that. Thank you for that, and it's all right.

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Speaker 3: We will resume the conversation around Andrew Costa. I would

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01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,839
Speaker 3: suspect tomorrow till then keep.

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Speaker 22: Well, what's.

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