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Speaker 2: Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean The

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Speaker 2: week in edition, first of yesterday's News. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: throw Saturday in there as well, because otherwise it's not

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Speaker 2: really a weekend weight loss Drugs like we go there,

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Speaker 2: are they good or bad? I think I've ever simplified

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Speaker 2: the issue there. The black Caps have been going well,

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Speaker 2: even though we've never heard of some of them, and

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Speaker 2: Marlon Williams we've definitely heard of because he seems to

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Speaker 2: be in our studios every second week. But before any

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Speaker 2: of that, yes, tariff talk, plenty of tariff talk, of course,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure there will be for the next little while.

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Speaker 3: So he's kicked off a global trade ward that'll leave

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Speaker 3: a majority of US worst off. Fan all part of

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Speaker 3: the genius. It's a full game to try and predict

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's next move, but for the little it's worth.

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Speaker 3: My best guess, and it is just that a guess

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Speaker 3: is that none of these tariffs are set in stone.

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Speaker 3: Countries are going to try and plicate him. Companies in

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Speaker 3: the US are going to try and negotiate their own

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Speaker 3: little carve outs. If you're a company that relies on

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Speaker 3: bringing in some mineral from China and you need that

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Speaker 3: to develop your industry, You're going to go and knock

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Speaker 3: on the door at Pennsylvania Avenue and ask Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: for a little bit of special treatment. And Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is going to absolutely love picking favorites. That being said,

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Speaker 3: his approach will lurch all over the place, defined only

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Speaker 3: by spur of the moment, whims and incoherence. Regardless of

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Speaker 3: what happens, Trump will claim success. His supporters will agree

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Speaker 3: in global order looks that much more unstable.

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Speaker 2: Have we ever really had any global order?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: How stable have things ever been? Are things less really

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Speaker 2: less stable than they ever were?

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Speaker 5: Maybe? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's all I keep being told it's a turbulent time.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like I've been told it's a turbulent

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Speaker 5: time before news talk has it been coming here. I'm

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Speaker 5: probably not saying that correctly. He wasn't a fan. I

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Speaker 5: don't think that become Paris.

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Speaker 2: I'm just getting that vibe he was on with Jim

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Speaker 2: Year's Stay Afternoon.

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Speaker 6: There are some strange calculations that the White House has

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Speaker 6: done when it came to up calculating who was going

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Speaker 6: to get hit with these tariffs? What have they what

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Speaker 5: Strangely, well, it was quite bizarre.

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Speaker 7: They essentially said, any country that has a trade deficit

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Speaker 7: that can be resolved with tariffs. Now that's not really

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Speaker 7: how tariffs work. Usually what you have is somebody will

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Speaker 7: impose a tax on a particular type of product from

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Speaker 7: a particular type of country. But the Americans or their

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Speaker 7: White House in this instance, has taken the view that

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Speaker 7: if you have a trade deficit, it must be because

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Speaker 7: you have tariffs. Now, New Zealand does not impose tariffs

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Speaker 6: And also it seems like he's used he's used trade

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Speaker 6: deficits in some examples. No, I think I saw something

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Speaker 5: GA all of it.

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Speaker 6: It's all of it, and it's all of it. So

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Speaker 6: instead of looking at tariffs, he's just looked at, for instance,

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Speaker 6: so I think China the goods trade deficit, he's simply

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Speaker 7: Very much. And yeah, it's just a really bizarre thing,

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Speaker 7: Like it just makes no kind of sense. And they've

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Speaker 7: also taken just one year's deficit. Now trade deficits move

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Speaker 7: is shows is there isn't a whole heap of thought

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Speaker 7: It's very strongly viewed within the White House that trade

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Speaker 7: defaces are bad and tariffs will solve it. And that's

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Speaker 7: the thing that's created so much uncertainty. I don't think

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Speaker 6: I guess that's why we've seen such a massive amount

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Speaker 7: Oh it's been frightening. I mean I was an economist

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Speaker 7: at Goldman Sachs when the global financial crisis happened, and

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Speaker 5: This was worse? How much worse?

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Speaker 7: Well, it's been deeper and faster than when that happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you ever want it to be deeper

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Speaker 2: I don't know is deeper ever.

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Speaker 5: Really that good? Though?

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Speaker 2: Citybody talking about green move on okay, and prad Jessica's

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Speaker 2: been having a little think about things like a zembic

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Speaker 2: and the goovi the weight of God's drugs. Probably know

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Speaker 2: if it's such a fan of using them for cosmetic means,

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Speaker 2: but it sounds like she's a fan of using them

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Speaker 2: to I don't know, help solve a lot of our

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Speaker 8: If you use this drugs selectively on people who have

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Speaker 8: exhausted other means of losing weight and are facing serious

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Speaker 8: our health system. It was a cardiologist involved in heart

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Speaker 8: one thing which stops a heart transplant patient being the

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Speaker 8: it should be available for every obese New Zealander that

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Speaker 8: chronic complex conditions. But here's the thing. At the stage,

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Speaker 8: FARMC is not funding the drug and it's cost prohibitive.

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Speaker 8: With gov is available in Australia, it costs New Zealand

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Speaker 8: about four hundred and ninety seven per month for the

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Speaker 8: recommended dose required to have the best weight management outcome.

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Speaker 8: So serious work needs to go into assessing the benefit

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Speaker 8: a drug such as this could have on reducing the

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Speaker 8: burden on our house system. If the benefits outweigh the costs,

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Speaker 8: then it needs to be funded by Farmac as soon

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mentioned this last week.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I am staying to rely on more

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Speaker 2: what I should be doing is eating less bad stuff

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Speaker 2: and exercising war.

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Speaker 5: Thiss is so hard, isn't it? Used talk Si right, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know how closely you've been following the cricket lately.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 2: We hear cricket over the weekend, even at April. In

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Speaker 5: And once again the Black Cats were victorious.

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Speaker 2: It seems like Pakistan have haw they fired a shot.

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Speaker 9: Well, what's gone so well over these three matches for

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Speaker 4: Oh, I just obviously it's a new team coming in.

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Speaker 4: Everyone was with quite a few guys over at the IPL.

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Speaker 4: I think everybody was just super keen to get stuck

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Speaker 4: and it was just good fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: How enjoyable was it being part of what might be

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Speaker 9: called a pretty pretty fresh looking white ball team. How

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Speaker 9: exciting was that?

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Speaker 4: Oh? It was awesome. Yeah, just obviously a bit of

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Speaker 9: So back to back five wicket bags for you. Even

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Speaker 9: when you got your fifth wicket yesterday, the only really

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Speaker 9: enjoyed though, contributing to another win in this way, Oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, no, it was great fun being out there

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Speaker 4: just to have yeah, Jacob, Dusty and Willow Rock bowling

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Speaker 4: was an awesome opportunity just to come in behind them

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Speaker 4: at me, and it was nice. Nice to get a

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Speaker 2: So yeah, excitement machine and bowling machines. That Nana benc

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Speaker 2: Is there did a bit of damage to the Pakistanis

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Speaker 2: You'll last you gas.

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Speaker 5: He's a nice clothes don't they news?

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Speaker 2: Talk it Bean, I've got another nice now, Marlon Williams.

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Speaker 5: I have publicly stated before that I'm not really a

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Speaker 5: but he seems to make.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it, and he also seems to be

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Speaker 5: You Billie as well. I think it's doing all right, Marlon.

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Speaker 5: It's a funny ta WakaWaka. That means the messy house,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, the messy house. Yeah, it's sort of a

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Speaker 10: I guess I suppose on one level, it's a sort

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a metaphor. So you basically had your

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Speaker 3: this has been a process of clarifying.

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Speaker 10: Yes, you know, I think it's it speaks to the

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Speaker 10: and impose any too much will on them, let on

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Speaker 3: Okay, what is striking too many about the album is

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Speaker 3: tell us about that decision.

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Speaker 10: I grew up speaking a little bit, went to Kungladell,

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Speaker 10: but it will sort of drifted away from me again

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Speaker 10: as I went into my moved on into my childhood,

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Speaker 10: into primary school. But I always was always singing, singing,

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Speaker 10: and Marty, and you know, it's just such a beautifully

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Speaker 10: that I was going to come back around and give

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Speaker 10: myself an excuse to be able to sing singing Todell.

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Speaker 10: And yet twenty nineteen came along and I sort of

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Speaker 10: was in between writing records and the first sort of

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Speaker 10: first song came out came came to me, which was

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Speaker 10: which is the first single, and I born in a

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Speaker 10: Mardi teacher named Commy, and so they, yeah, they helped

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Speaker 10: me grace very graciously to put the album together and

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Speaker 10: then yeah, we just sort of wrote over the next

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Speaker 2: You find it funny that Jack completely mispronunciated the name

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Speaker 2: of Marlon's album there like he said it in a

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