1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: The Rural Report on hither do for see Alan Drive, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Jamie McKay, Host of the Countries with us l O, 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: Jamie get Neil. I'll try, Heather, really, I won't. I 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: won't smoke you, Heather, try not to smoke you. You need 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Do you need Stewart to tell you what a woman is? No? No, 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. We're having all sorts of issues 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: with politicians in this country telling a woman. He was 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: on my Yeah, somebody tells me and said when he 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: was on your show and actually didn't sound that cross 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: at stew at all. Well, he was on my show 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: today and he didn't sound that cross Stewart at all. 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: But that of view and I looked back on it 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: was recorded at about quarter to eleven this morning. I'm 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: not sure whether he knew at that stage that Stuart 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: Nash had resigned or was going to resign. Yeah, he said, oh, 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: well he made a mistake. We all make mistakes. He 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: immediately apologized, business as usual. I suspect underneath it all 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: he's human because you know him as well as I do, 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: and the man himself has impeccable manners and etiquette. He 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: would never have mutted that himself. No, I think you're 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: quite right. Hey, listen, is it the case that some 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: forest is starting to regret getting into the carbon farbing Well, 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: a really interesting comment came out from a panel discussion 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: from doctor Elizabeth Heigu, who's the chief executive of the 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: Forest Owners Association, and she's saying that it's turned into 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a poison chalice for some growers. They're 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: starting to regret rushing into carbon credit farming. She's saying 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: that it's true that some people and this is what 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: we've been or I've been arguing all along, we're treating 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: it like a bit like a gold rush. She was 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: fed up with dealing with a lot of negativity around 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: forestry because most of it is not negative at all. 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: But she said every forest needed to be actively managed, 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: but there were a small number of people failing to 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: uphold their legal and moral land management obligations. And then 36 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: she went on to save anyone says they can plant 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: and walk away, This is spray and walk away with 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: everything climate change is throwing at us. They are a 39 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: liability and they need to be held to account. So 40 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: strong words from a doctor Elizabeth on that one Federated 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Farmers when it comes to the carbon farming. They made 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: a good point. They said farmers could probably accept re 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: a forestation because the rates apparently in numbers of hectares 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: are no higher than they were twenty five years ago. 45 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: It's just where we're planting them right at the moment. 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: They're saying they could probably accept this rea forestation if 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: it were driven entirely by the harvest market i e. 48 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: Log prices, etc. However, seventy percent of the revenue for 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: harvested trees was coming from carbon, and they're saying they 50 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't be planted at the scale they are at the 51 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: moment if it wasn't for the carbon price. The other 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: issuer is with these carbon farms, farms adjoining pine forests 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: were losing the likes of lambs, newborn lambs to feral 54 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: pigs coming out of the trees. Pest control has fallen 55 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: away in these forests. It's leading farmers to have to 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: move away from sheep to the likes of beef. So 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: it is a real issue. And then there's the fact 58 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: that carbon farming has made sheep and beef farms more valuable, 59 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: and that has a negative effect on the return of 60 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: assets for sheep and beef farms. So yeah, it's an 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: interesting argument, and I think that the forestry industry per se, 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: is getting a bit sick of being tarred with the 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: carbon farming brush. Jamie, it's good to talk to you. 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your taking on that. There's Jamie Mackay, 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: host of the Country. For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, 66 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.