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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin to find the real story.

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Speaker 2: Egoring it's hither Dupericy on drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: let's get connected News Talks Evy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we are

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Speaker 3: going to speak to that Israeli politician who was told

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Speaker 3: off Chris Lux and she's with us up the half

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Speaker 3: past five. Constitutional lawyer Graham Edgelot on whether the Royal

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Speaker 3: Commission should just change its mind and summons Jasinda Etol

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Speaker 3: and also the Alteradrohungamere on why he's complaining that the

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Speaker 3: government always blames counsels.

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Speaker 1: What ever, dupericy Alan.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think what many of us are experiencing right now,

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Speaker 3: Regissinda and Grant and Chippy and iceha're not fronting publicly

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Speaker 3: for the COVID inquiry is not disappointment, because disappointment requires

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Speaker 3: us to have had a higher expectation of them, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think that we did, because I think we

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Speaker 3: got the measure of these people a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: I think what we're experiencing right now is a sense

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Speaker 3: of injustice because these people had the power, and they

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Speaker 3: used that power to do things to our lives that

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Speaker 3: no other politicians in the history of this country have done.

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Speaker 3: They told us not to leave our homes. They shut

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Speaker 3: the border so that we couldn't leave the country or

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Speaker 3: come back in. They ended some businesses through their rules.

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Speaker 3: They effectively forced people out of jobs for not taking

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Speaker 3: a vaccine that I would say most of us don't

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Speaker 3: even bother with. Now. Now, we can argue about whether

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Speaker 3: any of that or all of that was justified, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think we can argue about how massive that was.

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Speaker 3: It was huge, unprecedented power. Now, with power comes responsibility

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Speaker 3: and accountability, and that's where they are letting us down,

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Speaker 3: because they are refusing to be held accountable, even if

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Speaker 3: just in answering questions in front of us for us

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Speaker 3: to be able to see it now right or wrong.

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Speaker 3: Their actions during COVID caused so many people to lose

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Speaker 3: restore that a little bit. Instead, what they're doing is

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Speaker 3: they causing us to lose even more faith in government.

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Speaker 3: If these people ever tell themselves or us that they

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Speaker 3: are here to serve, it is utter bs. They're not

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Speaker 3: here to serve. If they were, every single one of

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Speaker 3: them would put their tree's expectations of answers ahead of

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Speaker 3: their own ambitions, but they're not. It's more important for

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Speaker 3: Jacinda to keep managing her brand and living her best

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Speaker 3: international life of Glamour. More important for Grant Robertson to

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Speaker 3: keep pulling in that six hundred and thirty thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: a year at Otago. More important for Chippy to try

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Speaker 3: to have another go, deluded at being Prime Minister again.

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Speaker 3: More important for I should preserve whatever credibility she has

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Speaker 3: left as a health academic. But they should know. They

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Speaker 3: can delay accountability, but they cannot prevent accountability. They will

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Speaker 3: be held accountable, maybe through a future Commission of inquiry

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Speaker 3: one day, maybe just through the history books that eventually

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Speaker 3: trash their reputations like history has trashed so many other politicians,

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Speaker 3: including Muldoon's. Either way, add to the long list of

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Speaker 3: unpleasant things that we've learned about them, we can now

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Speaker 3: add cowardice to that list.

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Speaker 1: To ever do for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text

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Speaker 3: fees apply.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: A Kiwi dad has found himself in an unexpected bureaucratic

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Speaker 3: nightmare trying to get his kid's New Zealand citizenship. John

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Speaker 3: Bryars Ruddock's great grandfather was an all Black, his mother

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Speaker 3: was a Maori singer, Ronda Bryce, and his ancestor signed

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Speaker 3: the Treaty of Whitehangi. But John himself was born overseas,

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Speaker 3: and so when he moved back to New Zealand and

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Speaker 3: pretty lengthy and expensive process to get them their citizenship.

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Speaker 3: And John is with me. Now, hey, John, got John,

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Speaker 3: So what's the problem here? I mean, this is this

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Speaker 3: is what everybody has to go through if they find

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Speaker 5: They exactly, Yeah, And that's uh, you know, I had

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Speaker 5: an easier route as far was you know, but somebody

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Speaker 5: migrating here with my children, you know that wasn't a

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Speaker 1: And you know, being that I am and.

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Speaker 5: My children are as well, you know, I just feel

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Speaker 5: it is, I guess, kind of unconstitutional as far as

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Speaker 5: you know, if we're going to the treaty and you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so are you saying so you have citizenship

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Speaker 3: by descent like me because our parents were Kiwis, but

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Speaker 3: we were born overseas. Yes, and so your problem is

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Speaker 3: you you are a Kiwi, but because you have citizenship

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Speaker 3: by descent your kids being born overseas, you cannot pass

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Speaker 3: it on to them. Yes, correct, okay, And so are

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Speaker 3: you saying that coming back as a Kiwi with your

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Speaker 3: not Kiwi kids is harder to get them citizenship than

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Speaker 3: it would be if you came in on a visa

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Speaker 3: as a migrant. Is that right?

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Speaker 5: That is right?

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Speaker 3: How so how does that work because.

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Speaker 5: I'm a citizen and my children who are solely dependent

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Speaker 5: on their father. Yes, because I'm not on a visa

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Speaker 5: or applying for a visa myself, they all get charged individually.

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Speaker 5: So normally, say if I had twenty kids and I

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Speaker 5: it would cost me three thousand and two hundred for

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Speaker 5: it's three two hundred per child. How many kids you got,

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Speaker 5: I've got three.

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Speaker 3: Children, okay, just like ten thousand dollars, right, right? Have

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Speaker 3: you started the process?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So being that the first thing I had to get

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Speaker 5: sole custody that I deserve. Sow I first did that

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Speaker 5: a few years. Actually, I moved there during the COVID

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Speaker 1: We moved to Washington.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this has just become a bureaucratic nightmare. Now,

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Speaker 3: I just want to clarify something that you said at

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Speaker 3: it is for any New Zealand citizenship who finds a

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Speaker 5: That I feel it's understandable I for to be in place,

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Speaker 5: but I feel like there's a There is the Treaty

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Speaker 5: of White Tonguey and that's what differs from other countries.

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Speaker 5: And Dongata Fenua allowed access to their fenoa.

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Speaker 1: It should be upheld.

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Speaker 3: So are you so just I don't want to put

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Speaker 3: you're Maori, it's got to be an easier route to

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Speaker 5: I definitely feel it should be prioritized as far as being,

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Speaker 5: you know, fuck a pop of this land. Like my

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Speaker 3: Okay, so listen, best of luck with it, John, I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time, John, Bryce Ruddick, Yeah, come back

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Speaker 3: to that, and it's okay. Fourteen past four.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show.

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Speaker 3: Hey. By the way, just on the Donald Trump meeting,

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Speaker 3: which is going to be tomorrow our time. Apparently he's

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Speaker 3: going to offer Vladimir Putin access to rare earth minerals

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Speaker 3: in order to incentivize him to reach a ceasefire in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: So he's got a bunch of options he's going to

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Speaker 3: put to Putin when he meets with them in Alaska,

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Speaker 3: including this is that I find this wild, including opening

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Speaker 3: up Alaska's natural resources to Moscow, giving Putin access to

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Speaker 3: the rare earth minerals that he's got going in the

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Speaker 3: Ukrainian territories currently occupy by Russia and then also lifting

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Speaker 3: some of the sanctions. So we'll see how this goes

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Speaker 3: down Tomorrow's I think we can all predict. Probably not

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Speaker 3: that well. Eighteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Good Sport with tab multis fast, easy and more codes

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Speaker 2: are eighteen bit responsible.

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Speaker 3: Garcy water Grave.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't need Alaska, right, he's got Greenland.

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Speaker 3: Has that happened yet or not?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is getting wild regardless.

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Speaker 7: Let's move on to sport and the tab beat responsibly.

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Speaker 7: Let's do this straight away. I'm playing this game with myself.

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Speaker 7: People might want to join on, and it's called sub

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Speaker 7: one thirties. So you find the odds that are sub

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Speaker 7: one thirties and you think I'm going to multi all

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Speaker 7: of them up to see what happens. Makes the weekend

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Speaker 7: Africans are playing a dollar ten to be Dozy in

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Speaker 7: the Rugby Championship, and New Zeland are paying a dollar

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Speaker 7: playing a dollar eleven to beat North Harbor Hawks. Bayray

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Speaker 7: got that completely run the wrong way. Tasman are paying

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Speaker 7: multi up all five of those and see how you go.

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Speaker 7: Don't tell look, and it's not advice from me, because

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying this is something I do. It's the

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Speaker 7: sub one thirty. Die have to spin at a sub

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Speaker 3: See over eighteen flag It's never worked. Now See Golden

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Speaker 3: has confirmed what we all knew was happening. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 7: She's off the Fireferns, Fireferns.

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Speaker 3: I'll see what you're doing there, mate.

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Speaker 7: Katie Wills is stealing everybody. So I don't know how

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Speaker 7: many more are going to go over there, but I

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Speaker 7: believe there are still more announcements in the pipeline expected

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Speaker 7: to come up in the next twenty the more the

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Speaker 7: New Zealanders would like or fans of net or would

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Speaker 7: like to see their superstars playing in the Premiership or

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Speaker 7: they'd just rather see the silver Ferns win gold and

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Speaker 7: win world championships. What's more important?

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Speaker 3: Do you think the Silver Ferns winning everything? Yes?

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Speaker 7: And we're willing to forego having some of our superstars

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Speaker 3: Yes, can I tell you?

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Speaker 7: Ways have opened and everyone's leaving. But we can't lose

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Speaker 7: everybody because he's in a netbill gay yet not you

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Speaker 3: So at some point, and this is the argument that Alex,

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Speaker 3: netball makes this point, right, at some point Netball New

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Speaker 3: Zealand has to say stop. That's enough. Otherwise it's a

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Speaker 3: free for all and they've got no control. So even

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Speaker 3: just to create the idea, to create the perception that

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Speaker 3: still got control, they've got to say no to somebody.

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Speaker 7: Right, and they will eventually. I don't know when. I

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Speaker 7: suppose we'll find out. Whilst a few beggins, there's probably

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Speaker 7: some more to come.

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Speaker 8: Just go back.

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Speaker 7: Tasman are playing North and Hawks Bay are playing North.

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Speaker 7: Harve excuse me, sorry, I can't read my own hand.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm looking at it and it's pretty hard to read.

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Speaker 7: Mates possible to write neatly.

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Speaker 3: Like it's just like a series of triangles and pyramids

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Speaker 7: Number one Luke Humphries, the bigst darted cool hand Luke.

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Speaker 3: That'd be wtf, Heather, He's not a key with his kids,

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Speaker 3: We are married to the scott Our kids were born

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Speaker 3: Looks like the Golden Mile might be dead. Now the

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Speaker 3: First stage is already underway. This is at Cambridge Terrace,

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on newstalks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: European leaders of how the conference call ahead of the

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Speaker 11: International borders cannot be must not be changed by force.

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Speaker 11: That any talk about borders diplomacy cease fire has to

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Speaker 3: As you'd imagine, Elbow isn't stoked that Hamas has praised

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Speaker 7: They shouldn't repeat Hamas's propaganda.

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Speaker 4: What I'll do is say that Hamas should be isolated.

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Speaker 3: And finally a lake in Minnesota has disappeared. So what

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Life Presenters with us ale. Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: So it looks to me like your friend Elbow is

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Speaker 13: Absolutely he is, and obviously Hermas is going to leverage

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Speaker 13: it's not a great headline is it in Australia when

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Speaker 13: it's absurd. It's just really really dividing. I suppose still

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Speaker 3: Hey, you been invited to his wedding?

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Speaker 13: Who elbows, Yeah, I'm his best man.

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Speaker 3: Why did I ask you that question and expect a

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well that's right.

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Speaker 13: I mean that hug with your Prime minister on the

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Speaker 13: weekend and Elbow like they're pretty close.

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Speaker 3: I didn't tell now, but hang on a tack hanging

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Speaker 3: at tack, don't you reckon? That was lux and trying

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Speaker 3: for like Elbow wasn't expecting a full man hug and

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Speaker 3: Luxe and Winton for it.

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Speaker 13: Hold on but didn't But didn't Elbow try and go

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Speaker 13: in and excuse my naivity. And I'm probably going to

444
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Speaker 13: make myself look like a fool. But you have a

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Speaker 13: sort of special greeting in New Zealand sometimes unmously assuming

446
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Speaker 13: this is sort of a Maori customy can he try

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Speaker 13: and can he try and touch noses with?

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Speaker 1: Did he with luck?

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Speaker 4: Did he did.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, corrects, Hell, look.

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Speaker 13: What he's going to kiss him? Like a full on bromance.

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Speaker 13: I think Luxon was like, dude, what are you doing?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Now, this is what happens when you two woke. You

455
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Speaker 3: start and you start using it in the wrong times,

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Speaker 3: like it's lux and mate. Now what do you make

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Speaker 3: of James o' getting the call up? Does that surprise you?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we're out of options, Like, come on, it's twenty five. Look,

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Speaker 13: I mean he couldn't even get a gig in an

460
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Speaker 13: Australian teams, had to go and play for one of

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Speaker 13: your poultry teams.

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Speaker 3: This, come on, man, playing for the Crusaders is better

463
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Speaker 3: than playing for any of your crap teams.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but hold on, you've got a foot in both camps, right,

465
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Speaker 13: Like you cheer on South Africa and New Zealand, so

466
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Speaker 13: you do anything to try and bury Australia. So I

467
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Speaker 13: kind of obviously representing the Wallabies this weekend master stroke.

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Speaker 6: Look, it's not a master stroke.

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Speaker 13: We're just out with options, like we're just pulling a

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Speaker 13: lever and trying to find anyone who's about. Nick White

471
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Speaker 13: retired last week and now he's on in South Africa.

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Speaker 13: He's back from retirement, the shortest live retirement.

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Speaker 3: Oh is he the one that looks like a chimney sweep?

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Speaker 3: He does?

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Speaker 13: Actually?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, got a great mustache. Yeah that is awesome.

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Speaker 3: He sweeps the chimney with the mustache. Hey, thank you Oli,

478
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Speaker 3: as always your religion. Olli Peterson six pr Perth Lifeerson.

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you how good Olie is? I'm going

480
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Speaker 3: to tell you something don't like to often show you

481
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Speaker 3: how the sausage is bade. But Murray was supposed to

482
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Speaker 3: be talking to us, and you know he's a boomer,

483
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Speaker 3: so we couldn't get him on the phone, and as

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Speaker 3: phones go straight to voicemail. Godden, I hope he's alive.

485
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Speaker 3: God only knows he could. He might have just forgotten,

486
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Speaker 3: might be playing golf, might have just fallen asleep, you know,

487
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Speaker 3: like an afternoon seest it or something. So I said

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Speaker 3: to the Germans, said I can't I can't get can't

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Speaker 3: get Murray. And I said, I just call Lollie. He'll

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Speaker 3: be fine. Give him a call and we'll tell him

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Speaker 3: what we want to talk to him about. Tell him now.

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Speaker 3: She did, and he had about a one minute. What

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Speaker 3: I don't even think he had him. Did he even

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Speaker 3: have a minute's warning? I think he had like thirty

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Speaker 3: seconds warning. No, not even that. That's a lie. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're right, and has put two hands up in the

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Speaker 3: air ten seconds warning. I saw him pop up on

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Speaker 3: the phone box with ten seconds to go, and he

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Speaker 3: was just unflustered. He's a man who just lives his job.

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Speaker 3: He knew everything. We were like, we want to talk

501
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Speaker 3: to you about that. He's like, yeah, I'm across that,

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Speaker 3: I know all about that. I'll tell you what happened.

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Speaker 3: That's how good he is. Awesome man. Anthony Alberinezi, by

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Speaker 3: the way, on his wedding, So what's happened is he's

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Speaker 3: been asked about it and he often you'll find this,

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Speaker 3: Anthony Alberinezi often likes to talk about his wedding when

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Speaker 3: he's got bad news going on, Like it's quite a

508
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Speaker 3: bad thing for him to be chums with Kamas. So

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Speaker 3: he's like, hey, do you want to talk about my

510
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Speaker 3: wedding again? And the Australian media like yep, tell us

511
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Speaker 3: more mate, and he goes, oh, no world leaders are coming.

512
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Speaker 3: They're like oh okay, so no world leaders are coming.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty small ceremony, he said, mainly family. They're

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Speaker 3: really close to selecting a date for the ceremony, which

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Speaker 3: will take place this year, and they're looking over a

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Speaker 3: couple of options before locking in the final details. So

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Speaker 3: let's just let's just understand what news there was out

518
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Speaker 3: of that. Absolutely nothing, and yet they reported it. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: I don't blame him for having no world leaders, because

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Speaker 3: if you start having world leaders, then you're going to

521
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Speaker 3: have to invite Trump, aren't you, because you can't have

522
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Speaker 3: the other world leaders there. And Trump's not there. And

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Speaker 3: now the position he finds himself in Hamas is going

524
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Speaker 3: to expect to be there too, So this is going

525
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Speaker 3: to get really awkward for him, isn't it. Sixteen Oh

526
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Speaker 3: by the way, on the subject of that, the Israelis

527
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Speaker 3: have got pretty upset at Luxan for what he said

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Speaker 3: about Benjamin Nettinnahu. So let's talk to Thomas Coglan about that.

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Speaker 3: Next sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get paid

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Speaker 2: human certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor, is in for Bari.

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Speaker 3: So but today, hey, Thomas, afternoon, Thomas, how's some luxe

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Speaker 3: and feeling about the spat he's got himself into with

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Speaker 3: members of the Israeli government.

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Speaker 17: Yes, this is this is quite the spat sparked yesterday.

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Speaker 17: A reporter of ours, jamuns Or, asked Luxon what he

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Speaker 17: thought about the unfolding situation in Gaza and said that

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Speaker 17: benyminntn Yahoo, the Israeli leader, had lost the plot. The

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Speaker 17: Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharon Haskell responded in a

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Speaker 17: tweet this morning, missus really about the dangers of hamas

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Speaker 17: and how Christopher Luckxon has luxury not of not not

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Speaker 17: to think about about terror groups given New Zealand's isolation

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Speaker 17: and uh and and uh and and relative peace. Christoph

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Speaker 17: Luckxon is not really not backing down. He stands by

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Speaker 17: what he said. It's his personal view, so I think

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Speaker 17: he's he's feeling pretty solid. I think he's actually enjoying

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Speaker 17: the opportunity to put a line in the sand on

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Speaker 17: the Israel Gaza issue. He's obviously constrained to weave it

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Speaker 17: by his coalition partners, so he does seem to be

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Speaker 17: enjoying the opportunity. They just put his own personal view

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Speaker 17: out there, distinct from that of David Seymour and Winston

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Speaker 17: Peter's Is.

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Speaker 3: It remarkable to you? I mean, I find it quite

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Speaker 3: incredible that the thing of all the things that we

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Speaker 3: have done in this country and our leaders have done

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Speaker 3: in order to put pressure on Israel, this is the

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Speaker 3: thing that's actually having the best effect.

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Speaker 17: Yes, that is quite remarkable. It is it is a

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Speaker 17: way that Israel seems to be conducting its foreign affairs

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Speaker 17: at the moment. The Australians have had a broad side

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Speaker 17: from Israel. I think the Canadians and the Brits got

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Speaker 17: one recently too, over their decision to recognize the Palestinian state.

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Speaker 17: It's Israel is sort of adapting to that. Quite boisterous

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Speaker 17: and a wee bit unhinged, if I may say so,

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Speaker 17: a way of doing foreign affairs, which is the very

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Speaker 17: twentieth first century, very Donald Trump. That's the sort of

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Speaker 17: way they do things now. So perhaps not surprising on

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Speaker 17: their side of things. I think it is a wee

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Speaker 17: unusual on our side of things. We tend to keep

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Speaker 17: our heads down a wee bit so yeah, quite quite unusual, now.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, I mean, can Commission of Inquiry really

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Speaker 3: hides behind this non adversarial terms of restaurants that they

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Speaker 3: are in order to not summons.

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Speaker 17: Just in detail, I wonder that is very good question,

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Speaker 17: and I wonder whether it would do more harm than

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Speaker 17: good to summons her forcing someone to come against their

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Speaker 17: will before a royal commission. That is, that is quite

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Speaker 17: a big step. But it is certainly within their power.

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Speaker 17: But it would certainly that would that would be quite

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Speaker 17: an ugly look, why.

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Speaker 3: Would it do harm? What is the harm that it

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Speaker 3: would do?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 17: I think that they are cooperating with the inquiry. They've

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Speaker 17: cooperated with the first date of the inquiry, which they

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Speaker 17: obviously set up themselves. But I wonder whether you use

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Speaker 17: you already this this second phase I think is on

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Speaker 17: thin ice because the terms of reference only include that

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Speaker 17: second labor only term. It doesn't include the New Zealand

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Speaker 17: first labor term. You don't want the Royal Commission, I think,

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Speaker 17: to look like a court that was said up to

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Speaker 17: damn the reputation of the second term of the labors.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the difficulty we find ourselves, and

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Speaker 3: is that the first part was set up in such

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Speaker 3: a way that it would not ask the difficult questions

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Speaker 3: and deal with the difficult things. And then the second

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Speaker 3: part is therefore forced to deal with the difficult things. Look,

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Speaker 3: I agree both of them have been us screwing the

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Speaker 3: scrum in the in each of their directions. But in

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Speaker 3: the middle of it, it's all of us who want

602
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Speaker 3: answers to this and are not being served.

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Speaker 17: I know, and this is why, this is why I

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Speaker 17: think everyone else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I can make this argument, I actually don't

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Speaker 3: give a hell about whether it's an ugly look or not.

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Speaker 3: Just sind owes it to us. We were forced to

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Speaker 3: do a lot of things we didn't want to do,

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Speaker 3: so the very bloody least she could do is do

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Speaker 3: something she doesn't want to do.

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Speaker 17: I agree. I wish you'd just get on a plane

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Speaker 17: and show up. I mean, I think their excuse that

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Speaker 17: it's it's it's convention that ministers don't show up to

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Speaker 17: these things. I don't think that's correct. Wayne Mapp quoted

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Speaker 17: up to the Operation Burnham inquiry and inquiry that the

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Speaker 17: last Labor government set up. It was cheered by a

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Speaker 17: former Labor Prime minister. He shut up and defended himself

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Speaker 17: in public on camera. They should just do it, but

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Speaker 17: for whatever reason, and it is a terrible look, I mean,

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Speaker 17: just thin they were doing went on the Oprah Winfrey

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Speaker 17: podcast for an hour and promoted a book. And if

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Speaker 17: she can do that and is not afraid of people

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Speaker 17: clipping up those that that Oprah Winfrey interview and using

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Speaker 17: it in a misleading way, then she can certainly front

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Speaker 17: up to this. I bet she should just do it.

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Speaker 17: But summonsing someone is a big step, and you've got

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Speaker 17: and you've got to be absolutely sure that it's the

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Speaker 17: right one to make.

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Speaker 3: Is there any is there any hope at all that

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Speaker 3: the situation may change or is the decision made and

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Speaker 3: they're going to stick with it.

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Speaker 17: I think they're going to stick with it. The only one,

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Speaker 17: the most interesting thing that could happen is Chris Upkins

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Speaker 17: and Aishavil have a lot to lose because if they

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Speaker 17: look like that, they're still an act of politics. Chris

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Speaker 17: up Can still wants to be Prime Minister. If they

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Speaker 17: look like they're running from this, the net looks pretty

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Speaker 17: terrible for them, and I think there's evidence that it

639
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Speaker 17: is looking terrible for them. I think they were taken

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Speaker 17: by surprise and how negative the reaction has been to it.

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Speaker 17: So I think I am to be honest, Chris Hopkins

642
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Speaker 17: loves a scrap. I think he'd actually quite like to

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Speaker 17: sit down and go through it all. But I think

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Speaker 17: I personally might you know, just I don't have any

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Speaker 17: particular insight to this, but my personal thinking is that

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Speaker 17: he and Ei Shavera are probably sticking with Grant Robinson

647
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Speaker 17: and just on this. Out of respect to them, I

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Speaker 17: think they'd be quite heavy to sit down and do it.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I think you might well be right. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Thomas appreciated. That's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political leaders A

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Speaker 3: sorry Barriosaper is not here because he's come down with

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Speaker 3: man flu. Seven away from five, putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast from.

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Speaker 18: Just Cinder doing to Chris Hepkins, Grant Robinson, a Shaverel.

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Speaker 18: No one is willing to show up publicly for the

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Speaker 18: COVID inquiry. Chris Hepkins is with us. Do you realize

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Speaker 18: how shocking this looks? You're not turning up in public?

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Speaker 19: Well, I mean the Royal Commission themselves have said that

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Speaker 19: they're not holding any through the public hearing.

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Speaker 6: They ran out of questions after about it.

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Speaker 18: At this they may be inconfident. I don't know, because

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Speaker 18: I've not seen it, and they've not seeing you either.

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Speaker 18: That's the whole point of this. People would like you

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Speaker 18: to be seen, to be held to some level of account.

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Speaker 18: Is there something wrong with it?

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Speaker 20: Well, Mike, you've got the US rating breakfast show in

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Speaker 20: New Zealand and here I am answering your Christians.

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Speaker 14: If you've got Christians about the COVID response, fire away.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: a Vida News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Hither I've been thinking this is an email from Dylan.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? The chances are that the three

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Speaker 3: stooges who refuse to be publicly interviewed by the Royal

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Speaker 3: Commission are actually doing this out of loyalty to a

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Speaker 3: dourn because simply she doesn't want to think about it.

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Speaker 3: Her appearance would be very public, very embarrassing, given her

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Speaker 3: international profile, likely be broadcast around the world. It would

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Speaker 3: leave her reputation in her brand in tatters, a brand

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Speaker 3: that is she has been so fastidious to curate. Look,

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Speaker 3: I think I think there's a chance of that. I

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Speaker 3: think there's absolutely no doubt, don't you that the four

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Speaker 3: of them are acting in cohoats. This is an coordinated thing,

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Speaker 3: and they've sent Chippy out there to front it. And

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Speaker 3: if Thomas is right that Chippy and Aisha are surprised

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Speaker 3: by their reaction, it's because I think they genuinely have

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Speaker 3: convinced of So go and read this Into's book, If

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Speaker 3: You Hate Yourself, you will find that she seems to

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Speaker 3: genuinely believe that the people who are upset with her

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Speaker 3: are just a bunch of crazy anti vaxes. And I

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Speaker 3: just wonder if they've all juped themselves into that they're

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Speaker 3: all like, are they anti vaxers? The ones who are

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Speaker 3: angry at us? I forget, No, it's a whole It's

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Speaker 3: a lot more than that, mate. So maybe that's why

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Speaker 3: they're surprised. Anyway, listen, we're going to talk to Mark

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Speaker 3: Mitchell very shortly about that police shooting in Canterbury today.

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Speaker 3: Looks like it was a domestic violence incident that got

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Speaker 3: out of hand. It was a man with a knife

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Speaker 3: threatening to kill his partner or hurt his partner. The

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Speaker 3: cops got to the address last it actually happened last night,

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Speaker 3: got to the address. Women ran out of the house,

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Speaker 3: followed by a man with the knife. So they shot

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Speaker 3: the man but then she picks up the knife and

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Speaker 3: starts coming out the cops, so they shoot her too,

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Speaker 3: and then she's the one that dies, which does feel

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Speaker 3: like an unfortunate twist in this whole thing. Anyway, the

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Speaker 3: question is what does this do for the debate over

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Speaker 3: whether the police should be armed or should not be armed.

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Speaker 3: So Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister's with us shortly on that.

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Speaker 3: The minister, the Deputy Foreign minister over in Israel, who's

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Speaker 3: told luxenof because the most dangerous things now come tree

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Speaker 3: are cats and possums. She's going to be with us

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Speaker 3: after half past five to explain her thoughts on this,

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Speaker 3: So stand by for that. News Talks at.

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Speaker 2: B Questions, Answers, facts, analysis, the Drive, show you trust

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Speaker 2: for the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Let's Get Connected.

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Speaker 1: News Talks at B Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Labor leader Chris Hopkins has spent the last twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours defending his decision not to turn up to the

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Speaker 3: public COVID inquiry. The Commission decided against summonsing him just

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Speaker 3: into Arduring Grant Robertson and I Shaverral because it would

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Speaker 3: be legalistic and adversarial, which the terms of reference prohibit.

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Speaker 3: Graham Edgeler is a constitutional lawyer. High Graham, Hello, should

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Speaker 3: they have gone ahead and just summons these guys anyway.

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Speaker 9: If they think they need it?

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Speaker 21: And so I think that's you know, it's the they

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Speaker 21: have the power to do all of these things. But

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Speaker 21: the question is really for the Royal Commission is are

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Speaker 21: we missing out on information that we wouldn't otherwise get

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Speaker 21: information that we might need to be able to make

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Speaker 21: our conclusions and make our recommendations. And if the answer

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Speaker 21: to that was yes, then they should exercise it. They

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Speaker 21: seem to think at the moment that they don't need

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Speaker 21: to have the summons, but it's something they have in

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Speaker 21: their back pocket, you know, if you know, they're still

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Speaker 21: sort of getting information from them. If they start getting

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Speaker 21: sort of stonewalled about the type of information that that

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Speaker 21: they want and can't get it, then it's the power

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Speaker 21: they have and they should seriously consider using if they

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Speaker 21: need it to get the information they need to have

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Speaker 21: to make their recommendation.

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Speaker 3: They seem to be, I mean not, they seem to be.

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Speaker 3: They are worried about the fact that it would appear adversarial,

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Speaker 3: But is the summons itself adversarial if the interview that

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Speaker 3: it then elicits is not adversarial.

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Speaker 21: It's a little you know, sort of formally sort of

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Speaker 21: giving a document to someone saying if you don't turn up,

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Speaker 21: you're committing a crime. You know, I could see why

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Speaker 21: people have that sort of thing. I mean, I would

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Speaker 21: have hoped that the ministers or former ministers would have

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Speaker 21: agreed to go. You know, I sort of there are

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Speaker 21: reasons for it. Don't seem particularly strong for me. You know,

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Speaker 21: it's something that I think we should expect ministers or

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Speaker 21: former ministers to do when these sorts of things happen.

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Speaker 21: We had it about a year ago with Minister Karen

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Speaker 21: Ture before the White Tangi Tribunal, which is also a

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Speaker 21: Commission of Inquiry, and they weren't getting answered and so

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Speaker 21: they did exercise their power to WISU were summons and

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Speaker 21: at that point sort of the government ministers who are

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Speaker 21: up in arms about former ministers not doing this, now

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Speaker 21: up in arms that any tribunal would ever ask a

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Speaker 21: minister to come along and answer anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean apart from them obviously playing politics. So

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Speaker 3: that that's a fair point that you're making. But isn't

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Speaker 3: that fascinating that the White Tangi Tribunal was prepared to

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Speaker 3: summons hurt over simply changing one tiny part of a

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Speaker 3: piece of legislation, and yet this Commission of Inquiry of

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Speaker 3: Equal Standing is not prepared to do it on something

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Speaker 3: that has touched every single one of our lives, is

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Speaker 3: a thousand times bigger than what Karen Shaw did.

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Speaker 21: I think part of the issue in that case is

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Speaker 21: they were the White Tongue Tribunal was prepared to just

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Speaker 21: accept written responses, and the Minister then just didn't want

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Speaker 21: to provide anything, didn't want to answer written questions. It'soughtky, okay,

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Speaker 21: well you're not going to do anything, then we need

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Speaker 21: you know something. In this particular case, I understand that

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Speaker 21: at least some of the former ministers have met with

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Speaker 21: some of the commissioners sort of they sort of informally

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Speaker 21: in private, and they are also providing written answers to

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Speaker 21: all the sorts of questions that the Commission has And

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Speaker 21: so I think that's probably the difference is that they

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Speaker 21: are getting written answers which were what Karen Shaw didn't

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Speaker 21: want to provide at the time.

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Speaker 3: Hi yea fair enough, Hey, listen, I'm given that they

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Speaker 3: don't want to appear publicly. Should the transcripts of the

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Speaker 3: interviews and evidence that they have given be published?

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Speaker 9: I think it should.

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Speaker 21: I don't think it needs to be published now. I

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Speaker 21: see no reason why it couldn't be published when the

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Speaker 21: commission makes its report. You know, sometimes, you know, we

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Speaker 21: think maybe to that the christ Church terror attack of inquiry.

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Speaker 21: You know, a lot of sort of perhaps sensitive national

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Speaker 21: security information that you wouldn't want published this. You know,

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Speaker 21: there might be a few things you need to redact

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Speaker 21: or something like that with you protect privacy with people's

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Speaker 21: names or whatever. But I see no reason why that

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Speaker 21: they couldn't release the the evidence when when they get

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Speaker 21: to the end, and I think that would be appropriate.

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Speaker 3: Graham, thanks for your time. Mate. There's Graham Angelo, constitutional

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Speaker 3: lawyer Heather do Selo. Police have shot two people, killing

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Speaker 3: one of them. The incident happened in christ Church last night.

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Speaker 3: Both of them threatened officers with a knife. Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 3: is the policeman, as stand with us now how much.

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Speaker 6: Sorry even.

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Speaker 3: Track of time already the past five almost mates, so

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Speaker 3: you can get away with both now? Could the cops

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Speaker 3: have used tases here instead of weapons?

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to second guess. I never do, never would.

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Speaker 12: In my advoice, would be for people not to ever

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Speaker 12: seecond guess what police officers are doing when they're dealing

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Speaker 12: with an incident. All of that will come out in

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Speaker 12: good time, because of course it sparks an incident like that,

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Speaker 12: sparks an IPCA investigation, and that will be fully reported on.

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Speaker 6: But you know, my.

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Speaker 12: Thoughts go out to those police officers and their families.

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Speaker 12: They have my full support. It is a police officer's

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Speaker 12: worst nightmare to be placed in a situation like that,

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Speaker 12: and remember that they are responding to a violent incident

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Speaker 12: and the only thing in the forefront of their mind

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Speaker 12: is making sure they get there to try and resolve

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Speaker 12: it and keep people safe. But they're obviously confronted with

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Speaker 12: a situation where like I said, it's the worst case

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Speaker 12: for a police officer having to make those types of decisions.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon this does to the debate over

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Speaker 3: whether police should be armed.

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Speaker 6: That is entirely a question for the commissioner.

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Speaker 12: I know that is something that he's been asked and

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Speaker 12: also body cameras.

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Speaker 6: All I'd say is that I'll fully support him.

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Speaker 12: We've got an outstanding police commissioner that cares obviously very

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Speaker 12: deeply about his frontline police officers as I do as

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Speaker 12: well and this government, and we will take any advice

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Speaker 12: he brings forward to us.

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Speaker 3: Are you disappointed that none of the top three in

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Speaker 3: the police brass let any of you guys in the

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Speaker 3: Beehive know that Michael Forbes had had his phone taken

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Speaker 3: by them, even though they'd known for ages.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I am disappointed by that, but again we have it.

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Speaker 6: We have a new police commissioner either a very good.

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Speaker 3: Struggle but no, no, no, that's cool. I mean, we all

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Speaker 3: like him. But at least one of those three, one

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Speaker 3: of them, one of those three is Andy Costa, who's

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Speaker 3: just got another job in the government. Did he did

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Speaker 3: he see that email when it came to me.

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Speaker 12: I've got no idea, but certainly I said it in

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Speaker 12: my letter of expectation.

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Speaker 6: I was very clear about no surprises.

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Speaker 1: He knew.

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Speaker 3: He knew though much, because it's impossible that Jeevin mc

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Speaker 3: skimming and Tanya Kurra didn't know and go to him

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Speaker 3: and go you heard about Michael Forbes, So why didn't

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Speaker 3: he tell you?

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Speaker 12: I can't speculate on that he would have to be

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Speaker 12: outset himself. All that I know is that is that, Yes,

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Speaker 12: I would have expect did to be informed under most surprises.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Is this why Tanya Kurrar resigned the other day

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Speaker 3: because this is a bad look for her?

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Speaker 6: No, No, I don't think.

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Speaker 12: I don't know the reasons behind that. That was her

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Speaker 12: own choiceetters operational so but no.

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Speaker 3: Well, resignations always someone's choice. Did they have anything to

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Speaker 3: do with us? How am I?

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Speaker 12: You know, I'm the minister, I'm not involved in operational matters.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, fair antswer I'll let you go with that one. Mark,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Mark Mitchell, police minister. If you don't know

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Speaker 3: what I'm talking about, it's the stuff that came out yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Those three GEVI Mcskimming, Andrew Costa, Tanya Kurra, they knew

868
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Speaker 3: for ages that the guy tailing tailing the Prime Minister

869
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: was a bit dodgy, and they didn't tell them, which

870
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: they should have done, and then she quit the other day.

871
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: I think you could put two and two together. Fourteen

872
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: past five, d AB's taking a look at the latting house.

873
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: The latest housing data reckons it makes an OCR cut

874
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: next week more likely. So this is the ARII n

875
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: Z data. House prices down another zero point five percent

876
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: in July. Doesn't sound like a lot, but in a month,

877
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: it's quite a lot. It's the largest monthly fall since

878
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: April last year. House sales down again two point eight

879
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: percent same month. They reckon if this continues, we will

880
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: see not just the cut next week, but we will

881
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: see more cuts. And they're now even talking about the possibility,

882
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: which is a bit of change from some of these economists,

883
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: talking about the possibility that we may go below the

884
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: three percent mark this year quarter past. Now, you may

885
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: have heard businesses more than just a text, but let's

886
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: be real, if you can't even get a text through,

887
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: you are in trouble. At One New Zealand, they get it.

888
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: That's why they've been working hard to give you more

889
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: than just traditional mobile coverage. Recently, you've heard me talking

890
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: about One New Zealand satellite. This is the first and

891
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: only satellite powered mobile network in the country. Lets you

892
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: do business in the wop wops or if disaster strikes

893
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: and traditional sale towers fail, you can still text for

894
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: a hand I've been raving about this. Right now you

895
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: can try it for free for thirty days with an

896
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: eligible phone if you want to plus this is the

897
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: important but the awards speak for themselves. One new Zealand

898
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: has just been named again the best mobile network in

899
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: New Zealand for an impressive fourth year in a row,

900
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: according to the independent testing that's done by umlaut. So

901
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: do you want the best for your business and choose

902
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 3: One New Zealand the best mobile network for a better

903
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: New Zealand ever? Du for c Ellen, Heather, sweetie, This

904
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: government doesn't have the funds to get even the basic

905
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: essentials all done and you can't blame them for that.

906
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: I just love all the interesting gossip you have on

907
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: your show. Thanks Dave. No point in reading that text

908
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: other than I just love the way that Dave just

909
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: constructed that text. Nineteen past five. Now you know how

910
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: obsessed we all are with the supermarket giveaways, the Disney discs,

911
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: the Smeke Braser and so on. Well, if you are,

912
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: don't feel bad. It's not an accident. It's psychology. It can't.

913
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: Vera is a professor of marketing at the University of Canterbury. Hayekun't.

914
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 14: How are you going?

915
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you, sir.

916
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: What is it? Why?

917
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: Are we so into this stuff?

918
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 22: So this stuff works because every human, regardless of how

919
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 22: conscious you might be, loves to feel like they've won something,

920
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 22: especially if it's for free. And so when the supermarkets

921
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 22: are offering a way of kind of enticing you into

922
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 22: their shop versus someone else's, and we feel like we're

923
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 22: getting rewarded for our loyalty or rewarded for our good behavior,

924
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 22: then it's going to work for us. We're going to

925
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 22: get that little dopamine here to say, yep, if I

926
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 22: keep collecting, if I keep getting this, I might get

927
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 22: my reward at the end.

928
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 3: But does it always work? Because I love the idea

929
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 3: of the snake knives and the pots and all that stuff.

930
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: But those Disney discs I just take and give them away.

931
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: They mean nothing to me exactly.

932
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 22: And what you've basically identified is that what is valuable

933
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 22: for you is not necessarily valuable for someone else, and

934
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 22: vice versa. So we pick up the Disney discs to

935
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Speaker 22: give to friends who have younger kids. You know, our

936
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 22: kids are eighteen and twenty. They don't need that sort

937
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 22: of stuff. We ourselves are not swayed by these sorts

938
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 22: of promotions because we're very conscious about what impact they have,

939
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 22: But most of the people out there are not thinking

940
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 22: consciously about what they're buying at that time. And it's

941
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 22: kind of like a little bit bit of emotional pattern

942
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 22: the back to say thank you for coming into a

943
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 22: new world or countdown or whatever, and here you go.

944
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 22: So depending on what the prize is will depend on

945
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 22: the target audience and you'll see that new world. For example,

946
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 22: targets people very specifically based on their client base will

947
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 22: worth the same. They try to find the rewards that

948
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 22: work for their people or what would attract people to

949
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 22: their store.

950
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: Having said that account, I'm just reflecting on my behavior now.

951
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: And even though I hate the Disney Discs with the

952
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: passion that I cannot explain, I never ask them not

953
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: to give them to me and I always take them,

954
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: even if to give them to somebody else. So it's

955
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: working on me, isn't it.

956
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 22: It's working in you in a sense because you've got that.

957
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 22: But has it changed your behavior to get you into

958
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 22: Woolworth's is the real question. If it hasn't changed your behavior,

959
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 22: like you're always going into the same Wallies every time,

960
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 22: or you're going into the same supermarket every time, then

961
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 22: it's not really changed much of your behavior, but you

962
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 22: grabbing them, even if it's to chuck in the bin.

963
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 22: It's another kind of social cue. If someone's offered you something,

964
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 22: it's rude to say no thanks, I don't want your hospitality.

965
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 22: But if you are taking it and giving it to

966
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 22: someone else, and then that is a way of extending

967
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 22: your sense of monarchy to someone else, then yeah, that's

968
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 22: the way that the supermarkets win as well.

969
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: A count thanks very much, appreciate it, account via Professor

970
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: of Marketing, University of Canterbury. Now this will make you

971
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: feel better about it. He can't. Even though he is,

972
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: he's aware of all of the stuff. He told me,

973
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 3: he's still was talking earlier. He still succumbs to this stuff.

974
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: So he was saying he once ended up with twenty

975
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: cag's a frozen salmon for free. Somebody just came up

976
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: to him was like you want They were doing a giveaway.

977
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: Do you want twenty cag's a frozen salmon? He's like, yeah,

978
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: I want it, and then he got it and he

979
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: was like, what the hell am I going to do

980
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: with this now? Because he was in Corimandel on holiday,

981
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: so he gave half of it away to the hotel

982
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: or something that he was staying at in Corimandel, and

983
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: then for the other teen CAGs he had to get

984
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: it back to christ Church, so he went to Ball

985
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: to chilibin. Now isn't that a case of sometimes the

986
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: free bee not being worth it? Happy to take the

987
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: twenty cages of k but now he's paying money to

988
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: buy a chilibin to get at home. So you know

989
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: it messes with our brains, doesn't it. Five twenty two Checking.

990
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: The point of the story.

991
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

992
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: get connected, and youth.

993
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: Dog said, be yeah, can you please invite Grant Robertson

994
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: on to get his side of this debarcle? You what

995
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: actually fascinating? He's obviously what I get the feeling he

996
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: might be worried about what we think about him because

997
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: one of his little helpers just wrote an opinion piece

998
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: in the Herald. I'll run you through that hopefully in

999
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: the next half hour. Right now, it's five twenty five. Now,

1000
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: if the secondary school teachers think that they're going to

1001
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: get the support of Kiwi parents with next week's strike,

1002
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: they're cutting themselves. I don't think they are. The thing is,

1003
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 3: public support in these kinds of negotiations is really really important,

1004
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to public pay negotiations. It's

1005
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: why the unions and the ministers try so hard to

1006
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 3: sell their own positions in the media, because public support

1007
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: will determine how long the workers can strike for. And

1008
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: if we support the workers, then we'll put up with

1009
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: their strikes and they get a better chance of screwing

1010
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: a good deal out of the government. But if we

1011
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: don't support the workers, then we're not going to put

1012
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: up with their strikes. They're going to have to settle

1013
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: earlier and therefore for less than they actually want. Now, once,

1014
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: can we see these numbers. I don't think that they're

1015
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: going to think that teachers claims here are reasonable. Teachers

1016
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: just got a fourteen and a half percent pay rise

1017
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: two years ago. Now on top of that, they want

1018
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: another eight percent, plus four percent the year after, plus

1019
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 3: four percent the year after. Now you add that up,

1020
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 3: that's more than thirty percent in five years. Hands up.

1021
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: Who else has got a thirty percent pay rise in

1022
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: five years? Now on top of that, what have we

1023
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: been talking about for the last couple of years, If

1024
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 3: not that we have a crisis in education with kids

1025
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: failing to learn basic things and therefore failing their exams.

1026
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 3: And what have we been implording for the last few weeks,

1027
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: if not the bold moves by Erica Stanford to finally

1028
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: reform education and give our kids a chance. So do

1029
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: do teachers really think that, in that context of us

1030
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: as parents being worried and applauding an education minister for

1031
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: turning it around, that if they start disrupting kids learning

1032
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: with the strike, that we're going to support them. It's

1033
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: very unlikely. Teachers might need to brace themselves that they're

1034
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: going to have to settle much closer to what the

1035
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: government is offering them than the thirty percent that they

1036
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: want over five years. Because read the.

1037
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Room together, do for sea Ellen.

1038
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: That Israeli minister is going to be with us shortly now, listen,

1039
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: I've got to tell you this. In fact, I'm not

1040
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: gonna have time to tell you this. And this brings

1041
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: me some despair. The most bizarre Inheriton's case has just

1042
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: ended in Sydney, with one of the brothers cutting off

1043
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: the ear or like a bit of the ear, of

1044
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: the corpse of his other brother and then going to

1045
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: court to try to get to be able to retake Oh,

1046
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: it's just fascinating anyway, I'm gonna have to sorry, that's

1047
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: like the world's worst tease. I'm gonna have to tell

1048
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: you about it later because I absolutely have run out

1049
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: of time on this one. Here the can you please

1050
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: save the Disney discs for me? My two grandchildren staying

1051
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: here from Dubai just love collecting them. Cat, you're gonna

1052
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: send them back to Dubai with all THEO what do

1053
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: you think their parents can do when they turn up

1054
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: in Dubai with all those Disney discs and throw them

1055
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: in the bin? Stop it?

1056
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: Cat.

1057
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: Headline's next.

1058
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1059
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand. Let's

1060
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: get connected news dogs.

1061
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: They'd be to you're taking me?

1062
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 14: How would your name go to?

1063
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 3: Right at the hut is standing by this evening. We've

1064
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: got Phil O'Reilly and Rob Campbell with us, and then

1065
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: after six o'clock we're going to talk to the mayor

1066
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: of Watata Hunger. Max Baxter is not stoked with how

1067
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: the government is having a cracked local government. Right now,

1068
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: it's twenty five away from seven, it's from six rather now.

1069
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: A member of the Israeli government has hit back at

1070
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: Chris lux and the Prime Minister after his comments on

1071
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: the war in Gaza yesterday.

1072
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 21: I think lettin Yahoo has gone way too far.

1073
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: I think he has lost the plot now. Israel's Deputy

1074
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sharon Haskell, fired back, claiming New

1075
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: Zealand's biggest threat to life were possums and cats and

1076
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: she's with us right now, hash Sharon. I had a

1077
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: good morning, good morning to you. Now, Sharon, You've got

1078
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: a point there. But Chris Luxon also has a point,

1079
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: doesn't he. I mean, you guys have lost the plot

1080
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 3: with what's going on in Gaza.

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Speaker 16: Well, c First of all, I stand by Prime Minister

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Speaker 16: in to now and his actions. Every single thing that

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Speaker 16: he did in the last two years, the sole purpose

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Speaker 16: of it was to defend our people, our country and

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Speaker 16: our children. The reality year is very tough and the

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Speaker 16: Middle East is a very very tough neighborhood as well,

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Speaker 16: with many changes, and we're facing death cult tourist organization

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Speaker 16: jihadists who have not just committed the worst massacre of

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Speaker 16: Jews since the Holocaust, but they continue to reiterate and

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Speaker 16: say over and over again that whenever they'll have the chance,

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Speaker 16: they'll create, and they'll do the massacre, the raping, the

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Speaker 16: burning alive, over and over again. I think it's just

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Speaker 16: natural that any country will try and defend the country.

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Speaker 16: We cannot live beside a Nazi deaf cult, and so look,

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Speaker 16: it's been very difficult to combat them, and obviously the

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Speaker 16: situation is far more complex because they hold hostages, and

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Speaker 16: that makes it far more difficult for us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, but this is where the plot has

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Speaker 3: been lost. Your defense of Israel and your attempts to

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Speaker 3: get the hostages back have now resulted in children starving

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Speaker 3: to death. That is unacceptable.

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, I dispute the fact that you put

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Speaker 16: the responsibility for the humanitarian crisis on Israel.

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Speaker 3: You are responsible for.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 16: Well, the first one that is responsible for the humanitarian

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Speaker 16: crisis is a terrorist organization from US since the beginning,

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Speaker 16: was given free access, was looting them, was taxing them,

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Speaker 16: was benefiting from it. We've been trying to work with

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Speaker 16: the international community for almost two years now begging them

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Speaker 16: to stop using Genera as has been using this organization

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Speaker 16: because their own Yes, you have your own the facilities,

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Speaker 16: the logistics and so all done. The first responsibility is

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Speaker 16: not to take this as a political case, but as

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Speaker 16: a professional humanitarian case. And if the United Nation would

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00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 16: have said the proper agencies here to the gazen strip

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Speaker 16: that are capable that haves the logistics expertise to deal

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Speaker 16: in crisis in humanitarian crisis like the World Food Organization UNI,

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Speaker 16: SEF and World Health Organization, instead of just handing it

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Speaker 16: out from us, this would have looked very much differently.

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Speaker 16: We have been trying to work and their mission has

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Speaker 16: been failing since day one, and no matter how much

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Speaker 16: we've been trying to work together, Secretary General of UN,

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Speaker 16: Guterish have turned it into a political issue.

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Speaker 3: I understand your frustration. I understand your frustration with the UN,

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Speaker 3: But is an argument about which idea organization is handing

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Speaker 3: out aid really worth having when there are children who

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Speaker 3: are done as a result of a lack of eide.

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Speaker 3: Surely the solution here is simply Surely the solution here

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00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: is just through which the aid organization just flood the

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Speaker 3: area with aid. That way Hamas loses control of it

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Speaker 3: and the kids get fed.

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Speaker 16: Well, that's the problem that I think you don't really understand,

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Speaker 16: because they were handing out to be distributed by a

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Speaker 16: terrorist organization that threw the control over the food and

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Speaker 16: the shelter in the medicine, were controlling the population. When

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Speaker 16: we tried to build a second channel, the Americans were

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Speaker 16: putting a new aid organization to funnel more aid because

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Speaker 16: that system was failing. What did Hamas do? They created chaos.

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Speaker 16: They declared that anyone that would go and collect free

1141
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 16: food directly to Savinian will be called a traitor, and

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Speaker 16: in guards that traitors are executed. They put a bounty

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Speaker 16: on the head of the humanitarian workers to create chaos

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Speaker 16: in those distributions. Do you understand that?

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Speaker 3: Do you understand the international argument here that if you

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Speaker 3: flood the area with aid, harmasa's control over aid and

1147
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 3: therefore over the population is loosened and the kids get

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Speaker 3: fed and HARMASA is no longer relevant because there's just

1149
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Speaker 3: so much aid.

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Speaker 16: If only if many organizations are the one who are

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00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 16: going to distribute it. If you look on the last

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00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 16: cease fire when Gazza was fielded with humanitarian aid, you

1153
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 16: saw that Tramas was pocketing millions of dollars. It was

1154
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 16: the first time since the seventh of October that Tramas

1155
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 16: was able to pay one hundred percent of all the

1156
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 16: salaries of all the terrorists and was the first time

1157
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 16: it was able to recruit new terrorists to fight and

1158
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 16: kill is rabbies and so that had become duicidal. You

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00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 16: need to understand that the situation is.

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Speaker 23: Much more complex than the blood biballs and the propaganda

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00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 23: that Traumas is spreading, where most of the media is

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Speaker 23: taking almost all the information straight from the mouthpiece from US.

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Speaker 16: And it's buying into this.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand this situation is fun. I understand you're saying, Sharon, listen,

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00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: are you guys in in the government aware of just

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Speaker 3: how upset the international community is about what they are

1167
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: seeing and how out of step you guys are with

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Speaker 3: the rest of us Now?

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Speaker 16: I think that many in the international community are very

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Speaker 16: much concentrating on the process.

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Speaker 3: Another result, I think I think when Trump of did children.

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Speaker 16: Well on a contrary because if that was the aim

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Speaker 16: of some of the leadership, then they weren't destroyed the

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Speaker 16: delicate negotiation that were going on for almost a month

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Speaker 16: during the times where we were making so many concessions

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Speaker 16: towards from us and demands when we were negotiating and

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Speaker 16: Israel agreed three times for a sea fire and Commasins refused,

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Speaker 16: And while we were negotiating, some of these leadership like

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Speaker 16: Macron and others.

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Speaker 24: Make claims who tough in Commasin's position during the negotiations

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Speaker 24: and completely obliterating any kind of chance for a cea spare.

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Speaker 16: So, if you're concentrating on their children, and if you

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00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 16: want a ceasefire, then you do what you know Trump

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00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 16: did in the beginning, put enough pressure on commands so

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Speaker 16: that they will be forced to agree to a ceasefire

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00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 16: that will release the hostages that are being starved to death,

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Speaker 16: being abused, being tortured. And on the other hand, elevate

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00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 16: and give a ceasefire for the Palestinian give an opportunity

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Speaker 16: to bring in eight. That's what the responsible thing to

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Speaker 16: do is when I.

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Speaker 3: See, I'm sorry we've got I really appreciate your points

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Speaker 3: and I don't mean to cut you off, but we

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00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: are really short on time sharing. Thank you so much

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 3: for taking the time to talk to us. Mate that

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Speaker 3: Sharon Haskell is Raelei, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, to

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Speaker 3: take a break, go to the huddle next seventeen away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 2: for unmasked results right.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle of that seven? Who got Fellow Riley,

1201
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: former former Business Business New Zealand boss and also ironed

1202
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 3: you partners at the moment in Rob Campbell, au T

1203
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: Chancellor and former Boss of Health New Zealand. How are

1204
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 3: you too here?

1205
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: You going right?

1206
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: Phil? What do you make of that? From from Sharon Haskell?

1207
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 14: I have a lot of the sympathy.

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Speaker 3: We'll go Phil this and then you Rob go Phil.

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Speaker 14: Thanks mate. I've a lot of sympathy for what she's saying,

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00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 14: and a lot of what she's saying I think is

1211
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 14: actually correct. I've been reading a lot about this. But

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00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 14: I also agree with our Prime Minister. I think I

1213
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 14: think they have lost the plot. I think they need

1214
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 14: to they need to think about what their war aims

1215
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 14: are and how they get out of this and what

1216
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 14: they're doing now is not doing that. So you know,

1217
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 14: I think Lesson's absolutely right.

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00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: Actually, Okay, what do you make of it?

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00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 15: Rob?

1220
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 6: Well?

1221
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Speaker 19: You can see why it's hard to get peace there,

1222
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 19: can't you? But I have you don't think the Prime

1223
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 19: Minister is correct. It was good for him to show

1224
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 19: some humanity. But the truth is Netanya who hasn't lost

1225
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 19: the plot. He is carefully following the plot. It's been

1226
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 19: the same plot all the way along. They want to

1227
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 19: destroy Hamas, they want to destroy Gaza and potentially destroy

1228
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Speaker 19: the Palestinians. And I think it is the plot. So

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Speaker 19: I'm sorry. I think the Prime Minister's wrong. He hasn't

1230
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 19: lost it. He's carrying it through.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, listen, I should Phil Should the Royal Commission

1232
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: of Inquiry change its mind and summons just under it?

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Speaker 6: Ol? No.

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Speaker 14: The reason is I don't. I think that's going too far.

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Speaker 14: And I think, you know, there's the politicians who refuse

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00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 14: to turn up have demonstrated already to the public of

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00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 14: New Zealand that the very issues that have been raised

1238
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 14: by the government about them right now under which they

1239
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 14: they were on the podium of truth every day, they're

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00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 14: oppit to turn up.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 14: I think enough's been said. And if that were summons,

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00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 14: there'll be no good to it. Anyway. They wouldn't say anything.

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Speaker 14: They'd lawyer up. They know you have agree adversarial arrangement,

1245
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 14: and that the whole idea of this Commission of Inquiry

1246
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Speaker 14: is to get to some actionable truth, some actionable kind

1247
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 14: of stuff that can that can get rid of the

1248
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 14: cracks and actually let us move forward together. So you

1249
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 14: know they've done what they've done, I think we move on,

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Speaker 14: And because I'll cooperate with the inquiry in other ways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if the point of it, and I agree Rob

1252
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: that the point of it is to remove the cracks

1253
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Speaker 3: and let us move on. This is not letting us

1254
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: move on, is it. If you don't have the very

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00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: people who made the decisions answering the questions in public.

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Speaker 19: Well, I guess I don't know about the performance side

1257
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Speaker 19: of it.

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Speaker 6: I don't even.

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Speaker 19: Know how much they've answered the legitimate questions that the

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00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 19: Commission has. I mean, if they've answered the questions in

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Speaker 19: some other way and want to avoid the performance, I

1262
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Speaker 19: can sort of understand that. And frankly, I don't think

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Speaker 19: it's going to persuade anyone either way to change their

1264
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 19: mind about the COVID period. Unfortunately, it would be good

1265
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 19: if we could do that and move on, But I

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 19: don't think it's actually very gemine to it whether they

1267
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Speaker 19: turn up or not.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, actually, Phil, now that I think about

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Speaker 3: it, it is possible that they have fallen into a trap

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Speaker 3: that was set for them, which is do you think so.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that may be.

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Speaker 14: I mean it's possible that was the case. That would

1273
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 14: be very cynical to say that.

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Speaker 6: Ye.

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Speaker 14: But the hard thing is, well, that's right, as was

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Speaker 14: the government of the day, as was the disinderdurned government's

1277
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Speaker 14: reaction to COVID. That was highly political as well, of course,

1278
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 14: so there's politics everywhere year. But I think you know

1279
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 14: that they were lying on this convention that you know

1280
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 14: for politicians in public or on commissions of inquiry, a

1281
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 14: convention I was unaware of until I was made aware

1282
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Speaker 14: of it. Had advice over the last couple of days,

1283
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Speaker 14: by the way, but these are very unusual times, and

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Speaker 14: some of the commentators have made the point that in Britain,

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Speaker 14: the various prime ministers and the various senior officials did

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Speaker 14: turn up and talk about this publicly because they were

1287
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 14: unprecentered times. That's the very point of the matter, right.

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Speaker 14: So I think they've done themselves damage already by saying no,

1289
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 14: we're not going to turn up publicly and talk about this,

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Speaker 14: because by doing so they might have actually got more

1291
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 14: people on side with what they were trying to do.

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Speaker 14: They did have some hard decisions to make. Whether we

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Speaker 14: agreed with the decisions or not. Whether I agreed it's

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Speaker 14: another matter. But I think they did themselves a disservice

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Speaker 14: now by saying we won't talk about it. But that's

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Speaker 14: down to them. I don't think the you know, forcing

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Speaker 14: them to turn up lectually elp.

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Speaker 3: In a court of law. If you're accused of murder

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Speaker 3: and you don't take the stand, you look guilty, and

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Speaker 3: the same thing that's just happened, right, except, of course,

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Speaker 3: I mean I should clarify that I'm accused of murder

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Speaker 3: at all. Now, Rob, you're a union man. Have the

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Speaker 3: teachers got us on board?

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Speaker 19: The teachers typically can get offside in these disputes, and

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Speaker 19: they'll be acutely aware of that. So I think that

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Speaker 19: wait and see where these negotiations lead to. I'm not

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Speaker 19: too concerned about it at the moment, and I think

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Speaker 19: that the teachers have got some legitimate arguments. You would

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Speaker 19: have thought that they could probably get them sorted out.

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Speaker 19: It's a bit of a joke, this idea about, you know,

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Speaker 19: the government saying that they're not bargaining in good faith,

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Speaker 19: because after all, the government has laid down some pretty

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Speaker 19: strict guidelines as to what could be done in the negotiations.

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Speaker 6: So is that good faith? I don't know.

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Speaker 19: It might be there is that they'll be able to

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Speaker 19: sort something out.

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Speaker 3: I think they might have to fill because I mean, here,

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Speaker 3: look at thirty percent pay rise in five years is

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Speaker 3: out the gate as it is?

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Speaker 14: I agree, And of course a nine min old employer's advocate,

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Speaker 14: Rob's an old union official, so we'll say aligne to you.

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Speaker 14: These teachers are already getting four percent to seven and

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Speaker 14: a half percent anyway, because they're on a stepped pay

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Speaker 14: increase each year, so that one percent is not one

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Speaker 14: that's actually five to eight percent actually, as well as

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Speaker 14: that they're already being paid, according to the union, about

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Speaker 14: one hundred grand a year, which is not exactly some change.

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Speaker 14: So I think they've just got to get to the table.

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Speaker 14: And I'm sure Rob is a good union official and

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Speaker 14: the A is a good employers advocate, would say they've

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Speaker 14: got to get to the table, try and sort it out,

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Speaker 14: because if they do go on strike and they have

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Speaker 14: to demonstrate to mums and dads that they had no

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Speaker 14: choice but to And I don't think they demonstrated that

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Speaker 14: just yet.

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Speaker 19: One of the very foy things I've learned, very early

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Speaker 19: things I learned in the union and the negotiating world

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Speaker 19: was that outside people's opinions about claims and counterclaims are

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Speaker 19: almost always wrong and almost always unhelpful. So I think

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Speaker 19: almost let the teachers and the government sort of out

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Speaker 19: themselves without us coming on who's right and who's wrong.

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Speaker 3: Let's see how it goes. Thank you both, so don't

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Speaker 3: help myself, Rob, Thank you both so much. Appreciated. Rob Campbell,

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Speaker 3: Fellow Raleigh A huddled This evening had away from six.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 3: Heather, great interview. Thank you very much for letting the

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Speaker 3: Israel DFM speak most media very one sided. I think

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Speaker 3: she was correct in her assessment and that humas ultimately

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Speaker 3: responsible for the plight of aid not getting through to

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Speaker 3: Palestinian people. Cheers Pete. Listen, this is such a fraught subject,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. Once upon a time? What a way to

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01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: start a young five four ten years ago? Now she's

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01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 3: time flies. Ten years ago. I went I went on

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Speaker 3: a trip to the US. It was one of those

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Speaker 3: ones organized by the US Embassy in New Zealand, and

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Speaker 3: they they got a whole bunch of people from around

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Speaker 3: the world, you know, youngish people who they thought that

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Speaker 3: we're going to be influencers or thinkers or whatever in

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Speaker 3: the future, and obviously a member of the media kind

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Speaker 3: of fits into that category. So anyway, they got us

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Speaker 3: into Washington, took us around the US and stuff, and

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Speaker 3: we got talking. It was people from Europe, Vatican City,

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Speaker 3: you know, Georgia, Estonia, that kind of thing, whatever, the

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Speaker 3: whole various other places as well, Africa and stuff, and

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Speaker 3: we got talking about what was happening in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: And I really remember one of the guys who I

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Speaker 3: think was from Bosnia. It got really angry with me

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Speaker 3: because I was of the view that, you know, I

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Speaker 3: was all like, pacifist, pathifist, pathifists, you know, put down

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Speaker 3: your weapons. And he was like, you have no idea

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Speaker 3: what you were talking about. You live in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: No one can get to you, and even if they

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Speaker 3: wanted you, it wouldn't be worth the hassle. You guys

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Speaker 3: are the safest people out there. You do not know

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Speaker 3: what it feels like to be living with a threat

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Speaker 3: of missiles, and that really stuck with me. And I

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Speaker 3: think we have to remember that when we talk about

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Speaker 3: the Middle East. I'm not picking sides here. I am

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Speaker 3: on the side of the children. I just want those

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Speaker 3: children in Gaza to be able to eat. I think

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Speaker 3: the Israelis have a point that Hermas is nicking the aid,

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Speaker 3: but I think the Palace d Indians have a point

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Speaker 3: that if there is no aid, there is no aid

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Speaker 3: to nick and the kids are dying. And in fact,

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Speaker 3: I would say, and I mean from my position, I

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Speaker 3: almost I'm almost so in favor of the children that

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Speaker 3: I would let Hummus nick the aid just to be

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Speaker 3: able to feed the kids. I do not think either

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Speaker 3: of these sides are good here. I don't think the

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Speaker 3: IDF and the Israeli government is behaving well, nor do

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Speaker 3: I think Hummus is behaving well. I feel terrible for

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Speaker 3: the children caught in it. But the point that we

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Speaker 3: are start, I mean, if that interview didn't tell you that,

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Speaker 3: then what you need to understand is it is not

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Speaker 3: simple when you're in that situation. If it was simple,

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't be in that situation. Anyway, just fingers cross

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Speaker 3: and prayers to God that the kids actually get some

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Speaker 3: food at some stage in the near future and we're

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Speaker 3: able to help that situation. Four away from six, listen,

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Speaker 3: I need to tell you about this inheritance case of Cape.

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Speaker 3: So this isn't Sydney. So what happened is the brother

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Speaker 3: dies of COVID. This is a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: Now he doesn't leave a will. Now under New South

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Speaker 3: Wales succession laws, if you die with the outer will

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Speaker 3: your children get it. As you would imagine, the brother

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Speaker 3: only had one son who would get everything, including a

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Speaker 3: million dollar property and inn at Sydney. But the brother

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Speaker 3: is not sure that the brother wants the stuff. He

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Speaker 3: wants the granny to get it right, so he sets

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Speaker 3: out to prove that the sun is not actually the

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Speaker 3: son of the dead brother. So what he does is,

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Speaker 3: while his brother is lying in the coffin dead, he

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Speaker 3: cuts off part of his ear, and then the coffin

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Speaker 3: lid shuts and they have the funeral ceremony and then

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Speaker 3: the cremat and the next day he keeps the samples

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Speaker 3: of his brother's ear in two glass jars in the freezer.

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Speaker 3: And anyway, eventually he tries to prove that the sun

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Speaker 3: is not his by getting at DNA sampled and they're like,

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Speaker 3: what are you doing with bits of his ear? So

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Speaker 3: he gets charged with interfering with the corpse. Then he

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Speaker 3: takes a court case to try to obtain the human

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Speaker 3: tissue from police for testing. He just failed in that

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Speaker 3: court case. Wild times an inheritance law in Sydney. A wow,

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Speaker 3: try not to do that if he can, or Torohong

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Speaker 3: is mayor.

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Speaker 2: Next we're Business meets Insight. The business hours were headed

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Speaker 2: Ellen and Mayors for Trust at Home Insurance solutions.

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Speaker 1: News talks end be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. Wonderken Jamie Bettan,

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Speaker 3: I just I was not sure if it was wonder

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Speaker 3: kend or wonderked for a second, but I got it right.

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Speaker 3: Jamie Betton anyway on his new business in US visa assistance,

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Speaker 3: Jamie McKay on, fed Farmer's ramping up the campaign against

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Speaker 3: the trees again and end the Brady's with us out

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Speaker 3: of the UK right now. It's seven past six now.

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Speaker 3: The outgoing mayor of Uturohunga has had a crack at

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Speaker 3: central government, saying it needs to stop using local government

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01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 3: as a punching bag Max BacT. Max Baxter rather says

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Speaker 3: his twelve year term has been enjoyable, but he's sick

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Speaker 3: of the government dumping unfunded mandates on local authorities with

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Speaker 3: no financial help. And he's with us now, I'm Max,

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Speaker 3: your cureder, Heather, what have you not loved?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 25: Look, it's just getting incredibly challenging out there, and I

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01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 25: think the rhetoric that's been throwing at local government in

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Speaker 25: recent times is doing way more harm than good. I

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Speaker 25: think it's about time the central government and local government

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Speaker 25: work together rather than throwing barbs each other. And we've

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Speaker 25: got elections in a few weeks time here now, and

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Speaker 25: like I've seen a lot of elected members, mayors, fellow

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01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 25: elected members that have been under a lot of pressure,

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 25: a lot of criticism. There's been death threats, violence threats

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Speaker 25: against people, and it's not helped by the rhetoric, this

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Speaker 25: throne at local government, elected members by central government.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, we all want fights to stop and stuff,

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Speaker 3: but they're going to it's going to happen, it's going

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Speaker 3: to continue. So what is it that they've ordered you

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Speaker 3: guys to do that's unfunded that's really got your goat?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I think we talk about a lot of legislative

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Speaker 25: requirements and look a couple of things here that I

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Speaker 25: think about big brother playing party with us. You know,

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Speaker 25: still more to consents alone for us this year are

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Speaker 25: going to be three hundred thousand dollars for a Toronto

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Speaker 25: District council. Our auditing fees are two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 25: thousand dollars for this year. And we keep on looking

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Speaker 25: at those costs and legislation that comes on us. And

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Speaker 25: I know the government is talking about it. Minister Bishops

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Speaker 25: talking about cutting a lot of the red tape and

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Speaker 25: I get that, but you know, these costs you think

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Speaker 25: about a small commun unity in a small district, they're

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Speaker 25: incredibly prohibitive when we're just trying to get things done.

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Speaker 3: Sounds to me like this local water done well business

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Speaker 3: is going to be a bit of a stuff up?

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Speaker 3: Is it.

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Speaker 25: Look gosh less?

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Speaker 6: Wait? And see?

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Speaker 25: I mean it's I think if a lot of these things,

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Speaker 25: if the money was actually just given to us to

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Speaker 25: do the job, rather than all the money that's spent

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Speaker 25: setting up new entities, we could get a lot done.

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Speaker 25: And I think if we go back to the storm

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Speaker 25: water and consents for seawalls and the likes. If the

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Speaker 25: money was there available for us to actually just do

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Speaker 25: the work, wouldn't we get a lot more done?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Now, what do you think of the political parties

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Speaker 3: coming to local government, like actors just announced they're going

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Speaker 3: to be standing candidates.

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Speaker 25: No, I don't agree with it all. I mean, this

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Speaker 25: is about local democracy. We're talking here. We're talking about

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Speaker 25: citizens that really care for the communities in which they live,

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Speaker 25: that want the best for their communities. And the last

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Speaker 25: thing we need is some central government political overload and

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Speaker 25: local government system, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It, don't you think? I mean the problem that we've

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Speaker 3: got is not a lot of people vote in local

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Speaker 3: government anymore. And I think part of the problem macts

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01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: is because we look at this list of people, go

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Speaker 3: I don't know who this is. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: they stand for, and it just feels just like too

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01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 3: much mental load. So if you have a blue box

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: or a pink box, or a red box or a

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: green box, at least you know kind of roughly what

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Speaker 3: they stand for. It's shorthand it gets us involved again.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 25: No, then you ask the question, why do we have

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Speaker 25: local government? I mean local government is there about caring

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Speaker 25: for the communities. And we've heard a lot of rhetoric

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01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 25: around getting rid of the well beings, you know, the social, economic, environmental,

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 25: and cultural aspects of what we do. If you get

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 25: rid of those, who's going to deliver on that? And

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 25: what's left once you take away those well beings in

1513
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 25: a community? That is what people get up for. They

1514
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 25: get up for to be locked after they're there for

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01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 25: vibrant communities, So somebody has to deliver that. And with

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01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 25: the erosion or potential erosion of local government, you'll get

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01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 25: to the point where who is actually going to deliver

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 25: on those because it's certainly not being delivered by central government.

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01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 6: Currently.

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Speaker 25: Local government is the last man standing, so we need

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 25: to be there.

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 3: So what about the argument that a whole bunch of

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01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 3: stuff that we actually just used to do for ourselves

1524
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: and each other, like our neighbors and our family and

1525
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 3: our friends, we now expect these authorities to do for us.

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be relying on an authority for your well being.

1527
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: You should just be doing it as a community.

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01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 25: I think we're local government for some of us. If

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01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,959
Speaker 25: you look at a council, we look at us ourselves

1530
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,480
Speaker 25: as anchor institutions, and we're there to facilitate the opportunity.

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 25: So somebody's got organized communities to do this. So we

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 25: don't actually have to deliver as councils, but someone has

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01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,440
Speaker 25: got to facilitate the opportunity.

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 3: What about some communities just organize the street barbecue themselves.

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: Why do we need a local government body to do that?

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01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 25: Go on here there, it's a bit bigger than a barbecue,

1537
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 25: you know that is. I mean, we've got roadstock after it,

1538
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 25: rubbish to back up, we've got But.

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 3: That's not well being, that's just your job.

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01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 6: They are they really well being?

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01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 3: That's infrastructure.

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 25: Oh come on the road that you travel on that

1543
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 25: hasn't got potholes. There's well being. For a farmer that

1544
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 25: there's exactly what he needs to have to get to do.

1545
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 25: So yeah, come on here. In a small community like ours,

1546
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 25: we're not building event seeds is, we're not building anything fancy.

1547
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 25: We're looking after our communities.

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01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: So the vibrant No, no, I agree with that as

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 3: we Okay, Well, if that's your well being, that's the

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01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 3: wellbeing that I like, Max, Thank you very much, appreciate it,

1551
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 3: Max Baxter. Or to the hungers mayor what's the time?

1552
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 3: Twelve past six? Heather was are falling off me? So

1553
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 3: what happened was I watched ted Lasso. You watch ted Lasso,

1554
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 3: and you know the bad guy and ted Lasso, what's

1555
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 3: his name, the really annoying one who ends up backstabbing him,

1556
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 3: you know, the one who's is like like sidekick at

1557
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 3: the short chap he's a sidekick and then he goes

1558
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 3: anywhere and then.

1559
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 20: Spoilers for ted Lasso, everybody, Sorry, I don't know. I

1560
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 20: haven't seen the show, and now I know how it

1561
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 20: ends so.

1562
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: I can see his face. It's so annoying, you know,

1563
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 3: the character that everybody hates because he's a dickhead. Anyway,

1564
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: he says wonder kid, and then everybody's like, no, it's

1565
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 3: not wonder kid, it's wonder kinned and he's like, no,

1566
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: it's wonder kid. And that has ruined it for me.

1567
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 3: It's completely ruined it. I cannot say the word now

1568
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 3: without what like doing exactly the same thing as him

1569
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 3: and wandering which of the two. It's same as Epitome.

1570
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 3: Once some one of my friends said Epitome on tally

1571
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: and it became now I can't look at epit to

1572
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: me without seeing epitome and second guessing myself. And I'll

1573
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 3: tell you what, Hyperbowl is getting very close to also

1574
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 3: being one of those. Anyway, I think Laura just said it.

1575
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 3: It's more like wunderkind. Now shut up. It's really annoying

1576
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 3: when you've got you know what, you know what you

1577
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 3: just did a you just corrected someone's pronunciation. I am

1578
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 3: speaking English not German. Therefore it is wunder kid. Anyway, listen,

1579
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to bring up to date with this business,

1580
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 3: with what's going on with the COVID inquiry. One of

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01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 3: the people obviously who's who's declined to appear is Aisha

1582
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 3: or Asia. Aisha. There's more of them. They're everywhere. It's

1583
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 3: all the potholes in the English language. Aisha Verel, former

1584
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 3: Health minister, she doesn't want to appear on that. She's

1585
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: part of the for the kabal four have said no.

1586
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 3: She was on a mcmill's show in Wellington this morning though.

1587
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: And what is becoming a parent is that these four

1588
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 3: are acting in coordination. So the lawyer is Denton's. Kensington

1589
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 3: swan Ei Cheveril revealed this morning her lawyer is also Denton's.

1590
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 7: Did they make that decision with you individually or as

1591
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 7: a group that no one was going to present, No

1592
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:23,959
Speaker 7: one was going to front.

1593
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: Up the decisions. I stand by the decisions that I

1594
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 3: have had.

1595
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 7: Question. Sorry, but that wasn't the question.

1596
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 9: I've got to get so I can find.

1597
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 3: Nick has another go and asking basically the same question.

1598
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 3: I take responsibility for the decisions that I have made

1599
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 3: with respect to this so and yeah, well you know

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 3: you've got to go in for a third time.

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 7: Would you have turned up, take all the other stuff away,

1602
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 7: the lawyers, the bs, everything away? Would you have fronted?

1603
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1604
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 3: I take responsibility for the decisions I have made. I

1605
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 3: have answered all of their questions. They're all acting in

1606
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 3: cahertz and don't you miss her? Wasn't it a lovely

1607
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 3: time when our health minister sounded absolutely petrified of having

1608
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 3: to talk out loud? Quarter past six.

1609
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: It's the Heather Dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1610
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: my Heart Radio empowered by newstalg Zebbi.

1611
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 3: Nat. His name was Nat, the irritating guy in ted Lasso.

1612
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 3: Eighteen past six.

1613
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: The Rural Report on Heather dupersy Allen Drive.

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay hosted the Countries with us a Jamie got heather.

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 3: So sheep numbers are down one percent, beef cattles up

1616
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 3: nearly well, just over four.

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01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. And on the face of a fall of

1618
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 4: one percent for the sheep number doesn't appear to be

1619
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 4: too bad. But worryingly, the breeding is the ones that

1620
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 4: produced the lambs have fallen by nearly two percent. Here's

1621
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 4: the numbers heather we're now in this country only have.

1622
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 4: When I say only, we only have twenty three point

1623
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 4: three million sheep. It's about exactly one third of what

1624
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 4: we had in nineteen eighty two. There's about four sheep

1625
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 4: to every one of us now. Back in the nineteen sixties,

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01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 4: the Holy Oak years, there was thirty sheep to every

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01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 4: one of us. So we've seen a real decline and

1628
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 4: sheep numbers now. Beef and land New Zealand. This is

1629
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 4: part of their annual stock number survey. They're estimating that

1630
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 4: two point six million stock units have been lost to

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01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:26,839
Speaker 4: a forestation since twenty seventeen, and they're saying that despite

1632
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: the argument from some in the forestry industry or the

1633
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 4: carbon farming industry, a forestation is responsible for seventy eight

1634
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 4: percent of the total reduction in sheep and beef stock

1635
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 4: numbers since twenty seventeen. Heither, and that leads onto the

1636
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 4: story about what Federated Farmers are on about at the

1637
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 4: moment regarding the report back to Parliament.

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01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they say the government isn't going far enough when

1639
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 3: it comes to banning the pines taking over productive farmland.

1640
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 3: What do they want the government to do?

1641
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 4: Well, go a bit further, be a bit tougher on

1642
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 4: the legislation. I don't know whether a nice suggested this

1643
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 4: to Wayne Langford, the president today on my show, whether

1644
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 4: the forestry spokesman who's also the new sheep and beef

1645
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 4: spokesman he took over from Toby Williams. I know that

1646
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 4: you spoke to Toby. He was the guy and behind

1647
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 4: to save our Sheep campaign. Well, Richard Dawkins said many

1648
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 4: farmers will be feeling a total sense of betrayal. That

1649
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 4: might be over egging at a week, but he did say, look,

1650
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 4: there's one silver lining. They've tightened the rules around the

1651
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 4: silly intent to plant tests. So what they were saying

1652
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 4: when they announced these restrictions at the early December last

1653
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 4: year was if you had some seedlings and you could

1654
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 4: prove that you'd bought them or an invoice, you could

1655
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 4: go ahead and plant. They're now saying tough. If you

1656
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 4: had the seedlings seedlings with no land to plant them on,

1657
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 4: that doesn't count as a clear intent to plant. I

1658
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 4: think what our federated farmers are disappointed about heather, in fact,

1659
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 4: to quote them, extremely disappointed, is that the ban whole

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01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 4: farm conversions only applies to land use capability classes one

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 4: to five. That's the good land. Okay, So the FEDS

1662
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 4: are saying, in reality, that's only about twelve percent of

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 4: farm conversions were happening on that land. Anyhow, Dawkins said

1664
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 4: two thirds of sheep and beef farms are on classes

1665
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 4: six and seven land, that legislation doesn't apply to them.

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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 4: They can go one hundred percent if they want to.

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01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 4: Federated farmers argue that every single farm in the country

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01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 4: should be subject to the same twenty five percent carbon

1669
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 4: credit limit, no matter what it's our u SE rating is.

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01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 4: So there you go. The Feds and the foresters are fighting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah very much. So Hey, thanks very much, Jamie. Talk

1672
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 3: to you again next week. That's Jamie mckaie, host of

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01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 3: the Country. Yeah, have you caught up on people's coffee yet,

1674
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: especially if you put money into it. Have you heard

1675
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 3: the news I'll run you through at six twenty one.

1676
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1677
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: Your business hour where the head duplic Ellen and it

1678
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks dB.

1679
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the local government is a flawed concept. I want

1680
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 3: nothing to do with Why would I bother voting? I

1681
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 3: need to get rogered and extorted by a bunch of hillbillies.

1682
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 3: The sooner that local local body government's centralized or run

1683
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: under political party lines, the sooner I will start participating

1684
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 3: in local body elections. Again, that's from herb. Do you

1685
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 3: know what. I still think it's a good idea. I

1686
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 3: still think it's a good idea. And what it would

1687
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 3: do is, you know you've got punters sitting around the

1688
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 3: council table at the minute going. I think we should

1689
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: spend money on what about a bi crack on Oriental

1690
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: Parade and we can make it raally, you know, like

1691
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 3: they just they spend like Dosco lights disco lights on

1692
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 3: Taranaki Street in Wellington. You know, they just come up

1693
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 3: with stupid stuff. I'll tell you what, and they get

1694
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 3: away with it. They get away with it because hardly

1695
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 3: anybody actually participates anymore. But I'll tell you what if

1696
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: they were belonging to let's just say the ACT Party

1697
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 3: and we started getting angry at the ACT Party, I

1698
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 3: bet you the ACT Party in central government start whipping

1699
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 3: them and making them make some sensible decisions as a

1700
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 3: result of it. Now, don't expect that kind of behavior

1701
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 3: from the Greens or Labor. They don't mind the spending.

1702
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 3: We're going to come to that at some stage in

1703
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 3: this show. But you will expect a a greater degree

1704
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 3: of rigor from parties on the right to do with spending. Therefore,

1705
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 3: I welcome political parties getting involved in local government. Now,

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01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 3: if you like oh, by the way, it's six twenty five, If.

1707
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: You like Heather dupless Yellen.

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01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 3: Magic, if you like People's Coffee, you need to know

1709
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: it's just being bought by the competitors Cutamoo Coffee, which

1710
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 3: is also a Wellington brand. Now, the interesting thing about

1711
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: this is that couple of three years ago, People's Coffee

1712
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 3: went crowdfunding and they wanted they wanted people to chuck

1713
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 3: some cash and so that they could compete in the

1714
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 3: supermarket wholesale market, and people put in a fair bit

1715
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 3: of money, like some people put in six hundred dollars,

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Speaker 3: some people put in four hundred dollars. Whatever, these people

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01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,959
Speaker 3: will get nothing back from the sale of People's coffee.

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01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 3: The guy who sold People's coffee says he's going to

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 3: do his best to sell the plant, which is a

1720
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 3: couple of roasters, and then redistribute the capital to investors. However,

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01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 3: he says, I want to be clear, even if this

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01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 3: plant can be sold, it will be a small percentage

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01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: of what you will put in. So perhaps a lesson

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01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 3: in not getting involved with the crowdfunding if you can

1725
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 3: avoid it. Six twenty sacks for Allen Shoba's news for you.

1726
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has have enough the names of the Kennedy

1727
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 3: Center honor recipients for twenty twenty five. It's the highest

1728
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 3: award you can get in the US for lifetime contribution

1729
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 3: to the arts, and it's Trump's first year as chairman

1730
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: of the board. Previous honorees have been Meryl Streep and

1731
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 3: Johnny Cash and Dolly Parton and Queen Latifah. This year's

1732
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 3: winners include the band Kiss and Silver Stallone. But if

1733
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 3: that wasn't trumpy enough for you. He's also going to

1734
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 3: be hosting it.

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Speaker 8: He said, I'm the President of the United States. Are

1736
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 8: you fools asking me to do that? Sir, you'll get

1737
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 8: much higher ratings, he said, I don't care. I'm President

1738
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 8: of the United said I won't do it. They said please,

1739
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 8: and then Susie Well said, to be started like a horse.

1740
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 8: I said, okay, Susie'll do it.

1741
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 3: Basically, just tell Susie to tell him to do it,

1742
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 3: and then he'll do it anyway. Also getting the awards

1743
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 3: the disco Legend Glory again or and we're all going

1744
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 3: to be able to watch the awards live in December.

1745
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 3: How good is that? Can't wait? It's going to be

1746
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: Trump's involved. It's going to be hilarious in a good

1747
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 3: or a bad way. Hard to know. Jamie beaton Crimson

1748
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 3: Education with US. Next news is coming at.

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Speaker 1: You, croaching the numbers and getting the results.

1750
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 2: It's Heather dupleic Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS

1751
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 2: for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions News Talks.

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Speaker 26: That'd be what is a fil right about you? Everybody

1753
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 26: is a fill I can tell you anything. Oh the

1754
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 26: secrets that you me and change that.

1755
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 3: I have been promising to tell you. About Grant Robinson's

1756
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 3: defensive spending and stuff. So stand by, I'm going to

1757
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 3: do that very shorty. We're also going to go to

1758
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 3: the UK with In de Brady. It's twenty five away

1759
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: from seven. Now. After turning the overseas education industry on

1760
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 3: its head, Jamie Beaton is setting his sights on a

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01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 3: new a new venture. He's created a spin off of

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01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 3: Crimson Education that will focus on getting key we startups

1763
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 3: access to the US market. It's called Concord Visa. It

1764
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 3: will guide users through the confusing US immigration process and

1765
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 3: help them secure special visas. Head let's have a chat

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01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: to Jamie. Jamie, Hello, how are you doing very well?

1767
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 3: Have we found you yet again at an airport?

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01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 4: Yes?

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01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 15: We have, but I've just walked outside of the door,

1770
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 15: so it should be quiet.

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01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 6: Now.

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01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 3: I feel like every time I talk to you, Jamie,

1773
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 3: you're at an airport. Do you just live in airports

1774
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: at the minute?

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01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 15: It does feel that way.

1776
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 3: Yes, well that's what happens when you're a hot shot.

1777
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: He Now tell me how this venture works. Is this

1778
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 3: just aimed at startups or is it also students? Is

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01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 3: it for everybody?

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01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 15: So for the last twelve years we've been helping so

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01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 15: many ambitious kiwis getting into these amazing universities and they

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01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 15: get these f one visas to stay in the country.

1783
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 15: And when I finished my own program, I didn't have

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01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 15: to find a way to keep building Crimson in the States,

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01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 15: and so I found this obscure visa category called the

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01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 15: one visa, which helped me to actually begin being able

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01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 15: to work in the US. And so the first folks

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01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 15: we helped were students, ambitious kids that wanted to actually

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01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 15: take advantage of these degrees and keep going. And then

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01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 15: we realized actually there were all these high growth companies

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01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 15: like Tracks in New Zealand that were trying to expand

1792
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 15: in the US market, and we could actually not just

1793
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 15: help individuals, but help whole teams, whole companies with a

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01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 15: rapid expansion. So we've expanded from just students to companies

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01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 15: and other organizations.

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01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,560
Speaker 3: Are these people who want to go over to the

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01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 3: US temporarily or setup set up shop there permanently.

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01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 15: So take a company like Zero or you know, for example,

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01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 15: Holt or Rocket Labs. They initially start in New Zealand,

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01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 15: but they want to have this massive ability to tap

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01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 15: into the US market, which now has become, for example,

1802
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 15: Crimson's biggest market. So often they want to send stuff

1803
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 15: from the New Zealand team to America to crack the

1804
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 15: market higher local teams and then often bring those kivs

1805
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 15: back or you know, to a new market. And so

1806
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 15: often it's sort of the shop troops, those sales and

1807
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 15: marketers as revenue leaders, maybe the founders who want to

1808
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 15: go over there and get the business going. And so

1809
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 15: often it's about it's about global expansion qv companies.

1810
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 3: How do you think this business that's going on in

1811
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 3: the UK and the US, sorry at the moment with

1812
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 3: people ending up an ice attention scenes as including a

1813
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 3: Kiwi at the minute, is that going to put people off?

1814
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 4: No?

1815
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 15: So, you know, I've been on the ground in New

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01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 15: York for last four years and there's definitely a lot

1817
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 15: of media hysteria around some of these ice attentions. But

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01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 15: for a Kiwi or you know, someone who's building a

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01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 15: company in the States, it's really two different realities. You know,

1820
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 15: it's kind of unfortunate, but I think that you know,

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01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 15: it's really really different.

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01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 6: Kettle of fish.

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01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 15: So a lot of our folks are looking to move

1824
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 15: to places at New York, of California. These amazing hubs

1825
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 15: of economic activity, business opportunity, growth, opportunity, and naturally where

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01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 15: our students and our companies are working with the focused on.

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Speaker 3: Jamie, how much are you loving the fact that NCEA

1828
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 3: has been put on the bin.

1829
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 15: I'm glad it's in the trash, and you know it's

1830
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 15: it really honestly has been haunting students for a while now,

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01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 15: because you know, I've seen twelve years of Kiwi's doing

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 15: nca Cambridge and IV and you know, the reality is

1833
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 15: NCAA has the internals that are really low integrity. A

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01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 15: lot of students now use GPT. It isn't world class.

1835
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 15: It's super confusing, it's like hieroglyphics, and so getting rid

1836
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 15: of that and having a truly world class standard actually

1837
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 15: means dou Kibis can compete on the world's biggest stages.

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01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 15: People talk about equity education, but actually the way to

1839
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 15: start equity is really to have people taking a curriculum,

1840
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,879
Speaker 15: a public school curriculum that actually can take you anywhere.

1841
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 15: And so I'm pumped about this and honestly it's very inspiring.

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01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 3: Do you think they've made the right call here though,

1843
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 3: in setting up yet another New Zealand that bespoke certificate

1844
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 3: or should we actually have gone with ib or Cambridge.

1845
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 15: So, I mean Singapore took the A levels from the

1846
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 15: UK and they tuned them up, made them even more rigorous,

1847
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 15: incorporated some local history and that's been wildly effective there.

1848
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 15: I think as long as the curriculum that is being

1849
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 15: developed has you know, research around international maths and English

1850
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 15: standards and it's really exam based. There aren't these kind

1851
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 15: of ways to get around those exams with internals that

1852
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 15: aren't you that aren't greaded properly. I think that could

1853
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 15: be a really good outcome, you know, for a COSF

1854
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,839
Speaker 15: efficiency standpoint. Taking it an international curriculum is also very exciting.

1855
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 15: But I think the approach is going to look great

1856
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 15: and honestly it's a massive step forward. And also, you know,

1857
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 15: there are many folks and for example the Ministry of

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01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 15: Education that are quite vested in the national curriculum and

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01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 15: so you know, I mean this also helps to get

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01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 15: their buy in as well.

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01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamie, hey, thanks very much, enjoy your flight. That's

1862
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 3: Jamie Beaton, Crimson Education founder.

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01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: Ever.

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Speaker 3: So you know what if you have a minute, if

1865
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 3: you've got a question that you would like the COVID

1866
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 3: inquiry to have to have as these four flick it

1867
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 3: through to me. I've got another twenty minutes of the show,

1868
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 3: and I quite like to see what people would like

1869
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 3: to have asked. So I've just been thinking about it

1870
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 3: myself a little bit lately. I reckon i'd like to

1871
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 3: somebody actually sent a question through earlier. It was something

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01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 3: along the lines of when Auckland had gone into lockdown,

1873
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 3: so we're talking August twenty one. By that stage, did

1874
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,520
Speaker 3: they realize that the COVID vaccine did not stop transmission,

1875
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 3: which made the whole point of a lockdown kind of

1876
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 3: pointless or made or at least no, it didn't make

1877
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 3: the lockdown pointless. It made forcing people to take the

1878
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 3: vaccine that they didn't want to take pointless, and the

1879
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 3: mandates pointless. So if you have a question, I quite

1880
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 3: like to know. It's one of the questions that I

1881
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 3: would have. Also would be around the spending that Grant was,

1882
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, Grant got his little money

1883
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 3: hose out, he just went nuts with it. Now it

1884
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 3: seems to me that Grant is actually I suspect Grant

1885
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 3: is starting is irritated by our constant criticism and the

1886
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 3: Treasury's criticism recently, which came out last week, was it

1887
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 3: on Friday. Because of the spending, Grant has got a

1888
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,839
Speaker 3: little help called Tony Toby Moore, who was an advisor

1889
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 3: in his office from December twenty twenty onwards, and he's

1890
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 3: just submitted today an opinion piece to the Herald kind

1891
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 3: of explaining what they were up to and what his

1892
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 3: argument for why they spent so much was that they

1893
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 3: thought that the tax revenue would cover it. So they

1894
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 3: thought they could blow as much cash as they did

1895
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 3: because it would be okay. Corporates would keep on paying,

1896
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 3: and companies and businesses and so on would and individual

1897
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 3: like you and I would keep paying tax and therefore

1898
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 3: would be fine, and the surplus would be achieved shortly

1899
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. With that projection was completely out,

1900
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 3: like way out by Treasury. And of course, as we've seen,

1901
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 3: the economy has fallen off and nothing has None of

1902
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 3: this has come true. I mean obviously that you could

1903
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 3: argue any right thinking person would have predicted that given

1904
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 3: that the country had been closed for god only knows

1905
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 3: how long by that stage, two years or whatever. So

1906
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: if you're going to shut down entire sectors like international

1907
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 3: education and tourism, etc. You're probably going to have a

1908
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 3: bit of a fall off on the tax revenue, but whatever. Anyway,

1909
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 3: so he thought they could keep blowing money because they

1910
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 3: were going to get heaps of money in, which is

1911
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 3: also not very smart as living to the extent of

1912
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 3: your budget. Also, what he says is that Treasury was

1913
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,799
Speaker 3: telling them different things at the same time. So Treasury

1914
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 3: was telling them, hey, spending that much money is probably

1915
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 3: not a good idea, but also could you spend more money?

1916
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 3: He says, as late as October twenty twenty two, Treasury

1917
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 3: was advising the Minister of Finance to increase the allowance

1918
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 3: for the next budget from four point five billion to

1919
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 3: five billion in the set In the half year Update

1920
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, Treasury express concern about what it

1921
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 3: described as the largest fall in real government consumption since

1922
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 3: nineteenninety seven. Now, look, I don't know enough to know

1923
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 3: whether he's telling the truth here. I imagine he is.

1924
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 3: I imagine that Treasury did give them conflicting advice. But

1925
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 3: do you know what it's the role of the people

1926
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 3: in that position. The Minister of Finance and all the

1927
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 3: people around him in that case to make the right decision.

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Speaker 3: If you're just going to go and blame the officials

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Speaker 3: every single time you get something wrong, why don't we

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Speaker 3: just make the officials the Minister of Finance if you

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Speaker 3: can to turn your brain off and let Treasury run everything,

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Speaker 3: which is make Treasury the Minister of Finance. Minister of

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Speaker 3: Finance is in that position to cut through the bs

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Speaker 3: and decide the right thing to do and demonstrably in

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Speaker 3: this instance Grant Robertson did not make the right decision.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas.

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Speaker 1: For trusted Home Insurance Solutions use talks that'd be here.

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Speaker 3: The Dentons, the law firm has represented the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Labor Party for a long time, so it's no surprise

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Speaker 3: they're giving Labor Party MP's advice to steer clear of

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Speaker 3: the Royal Commission because they are protecting their interests. Katha's

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Speaker 3: bang on fourteen away from seven. Indo Brady UK correspondent

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Speaker 3: with us now Hey in dn Hey.

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Speaker 9: Heather great to speak to you again, how likely.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it is that Ukraine is going to

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Speaker 3: be carved up?

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Speaker 9: Well, that's the big fear in Europe certainly. And look,

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Speaker 9: there was the last ditch zoom call yesterday with President Trump,

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Speaker 9: organized by the German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz, urging him not

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Speaker 9: to listen to Putin, not get involved in a carve up,

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Speaker 9: and that Ukraine must be represented at the next round

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Speaker 9: of negotiations. Now what I'm hearing this morning here is

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Speaker 9: that Vladimir Zelenski is due in the UK this morning

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Speaker 9: and he will head straight to Number ten Downing Street

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Speaker 9: for a meeting with kir Starmer. So this will be

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Speaker 9: a high profile You'll see a lot of pictures in

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Speaker 9: the next couple of hours. This will be a high

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Speaker 9: profile meeting and just you know, showing the world that

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Speaker 9: the UK has Ukraine's back. So the big fear tomorrow

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Speaker 9: is that we end up some sort of a botched deal.

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Speaker 9: The phrase we keep hearing from Americans is that will

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Speaker 9: be a West Bank style occupation. And I don't think

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Speaker 9: anyone should be basing a peace deal or a ceasefire

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Speaker 9: on anything that Israel has done in the past. It

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Speaker 9: simply doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: What are the chances that there is actually that's something

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Speaker 3: concrete that comes out of this. Is it not a

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Speaker 3: greater chance that the whole thing falls over?

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Speaker 9: I think the big, big fear is the President Trump

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Speaker 9: has no understanding of Putin's mentality, his thinking, or his

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Speaker 9: relentless meat grinder approach to the war in Ukraine. Putin,

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Speaker 9: if he calls a cease fire, if they manage to

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Speaker 9: get a cease fire, he will simply replenish, restock, and

1976
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Speaker 9: go again. And you know this is a guy Putin

1977
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Speaker 9: on record is saying to George W. Bush as far

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Speaker 9: back as two thousand and eight that he doesn't even

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Speaker 9: believe Ukraine is a country. So he's not going to

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Speaker 9: stop at Luhansk and Crimea and other regions that they

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Speaker 9: already have illegally occupied. The Putin plan is all of

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Speaker 9: Ukraine eventually, if not this year, if not next decade,

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Speaker 9: he will keep going. So we need someone to stop him.

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Speaker 9: And I think the big, big series concern in Europe

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Speaker 9: is that Trump thinks he's dealing with someone that you know,

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Speaker 9: is going to give his word.

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Speaker 6: And keep it.

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Speaker 3: And how much trouble is David Lemmy in over the fishing.

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Speaker 9: So you would think that some of the army of

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Speaker 9: minions who surround themselves with our modern politicians would have

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Speaker 9: seen fit to go and buy a rod license. Last

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Speaker 9: week for JD. Vance and David Lammy, they called a photocol.

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Speaker 9: They got the photographers in.

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Speaker 13: Oh.

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Speaker 9: The Vance family are here on holidays. It's amazing JD

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Speaker 9: is fishing with David Lammy. No, no understanding of fishing

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Speaker 9: the environment. The Environment Agency rules if you go fishing

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Speaker 9: on a lake or a river in the United Kingdom,

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Speaker 9: you need a rod license. Any five year old fisher

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Speaker 9: man or girl would tell you this. Lammy and Jdvans

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Speaker 9: decided to go fishing, and then someone pointed out, ups,

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Speaker 9: we haven't got fishing licenses. So now that it's been

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Speaker 9: reported to the Environment Agency by Lammy himself, he's looking

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Speaker 9: at a five thousand dollars fine. Apparently he has gone

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Speaker 9: and bought retrospective licenses. But we'll see if that cuts

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Speaker 9: the mustard.

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, so tell me, just just paint me the

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Speaker 3: picture of Andrew swearing at them.

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Speaker 13: Go on. So here we go.

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Speaker 9: We're in a heat wave this week. You might be

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Speaker 9: able to hear the air con. This is the only

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Speaker 9: room I've found in the building with air come by

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Speaker 9: the way, it's it's been twenty eight to thirty two

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Speaker 9: celsius most days this week in the South of England.

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Speaker 9: So some workmen have been brought into the Royal Estate

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Speaker 9: to install a speed bump just near the Royal Lodge

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Speaker 9: on Windsor Great Park, thirty two bedroom mansion that Andrew

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Speaker 9: rattles around him with his ex wife Sarah Ferguson. Count

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Speaker 9: the bedrooms thirty two. There are two adults in that property.

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Speaker 9: No wonder chain out So anyway, there have been reports

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Speaker 9: of someone driving like an idiot a great speed regularly

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Speaker 9: around the estate. Wonder who that could be? And workmen

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Speaker 9: are brought in to put in a speed bump. So

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Speaker 9: toiling away for probably I'm guessing about twenty five dollars

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Speaker 9: an hour, these poor fellas in the heat wave, breaking

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Speaker 9: their backs, digging out the road, putting in a speed bump,

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Speaker 9: and along comes Prince Andrew on a horse. He slows down,

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Speaker 9: he looks down at the workmen and word for word

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Speaker 9: he says, what the f are you doing?

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Speaker 17: Now?

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Speaker 9: That was how he greeted the workmen on the Royal Estate.

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Speaker 9: Funnily enough, they weren't happy it's ended up in the

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Speaker 9: papers this week and given all of the headlines this

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Speaker 9: guy is created in the last two weeks with the

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Speaker 9: new book about his life and lifestyle and how he

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Speaker 9: treats people, you would think Andrew might want to keep

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Speaker 9: a low profile. But there we go, the gift that

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Speaker 9: keeps on taking.

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Speaker 3: What a knob. Hi, thank you in I appreciate it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: h Brady UK Correspondent. Let's be honest, ay, I mean,

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Speaker 3: he is one of our princes, isn't he. But if

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Speaker 3: he was living in New Zealand and pulling that condition,

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Speaker 3: Nanigan just sort him out, wouldn't we go around there

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Speaker 3: tell him off? He wouldn't be a prince for long

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Speaker 3: nine Away from seven It's the.

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Speaker 2: Heather topsy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: by News Talk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you know what, I didn't expect that many texts

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Speaker 3: on what you would like answered. But this is the

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Speaker 3: value of having these people front up and answer these

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Speaker 3: questions in public because there are so many questions we

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Speaker 3: want answered. And look, I think the COVID Commission will

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Speaker 3: probably answer them in written form, but really, who reads

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Speaker 3: those reports? Heh, who reads those reports? Sitting there and

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Speaker 3: watching Jacinda, though, answer them. Would we get up in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the night for that, wouldn't we? Heather? Oh, Heather,

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Speaker 3: anybody who used that sort of language that Andrew just used,

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Speaker 3: install on somebody installing another speed bump would be doing

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Speaker 3: the Lord's work very shortly. Thank you, Nick. Okay, here

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Speaker 3: we go, Heather. My question for the COVID inquiry is

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Speaker 3: is it true that Jinda and Co's handling of the

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Speaker 3: pandemic saved over twenty lives. That's a good question, actually,

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Speaker 3: because Cindy still trots that number out in her book.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that that is I think that

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Speaker 3: there's so much debate about it, she could probably be

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Speaker 3: accused of m misinformation. Hither, when we had ninety percent

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Speaker 3: of the vaccine update, my question is this, which is

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Speaker 3: way above any known herd immunity, why did they then

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Speaker 3: move to mandates? Good question. Hither. By mid to late

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty, this is the question many of us at

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Speaker 3: home were listening online to interviews with frontline medical stuff

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Speaker 3: in other countries, and they were talking about the early

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Speaker 3: treatment protocols that they were developing and using and how

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Speaker 3: effective it was here though, the whole time people with

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Speaker 3: COVID were basically told to stay home, keep up the fluids,

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Speaker 3: and come to hospital only when you have trouble breathing.

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Speaker 3: Why were we not learning from the medicos overseas. Hither

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Speaker 3: here's my COVID question. I was in full ppe gear,

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Speaker 3: so why it wasn't I allowed to see my mum

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Speaker 3: dying in hospital? I will never forget that, m as

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Speaker 3: I can imagine you will never Hither. Here's my question.

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Speaker 3: How much extra did they pay for the emergency vacine

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Speaker 3: vaccines that they brought from Spain and Portugal that were

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Speaker 3: flown in with only two days of supply left. And

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Speaker 3: it just goes on and on. These all great questions. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: hopefully they have to front up and answer them. Great

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Speaker 3: great news on a kind of grim a on a

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Speaker 3: just frankly a grim subject. Polky has been has been

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Speaker 3: back to the court room today for a procedural hearing

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Speaker 3: before the coronial in quest in to the death of

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Speaker 3: his wife, Pauline Hannah, and Polky has indicated might be

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Speaker 3: prepared to give evidence for the coronial inquiry. Now, I'm

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01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 3: up for that. You up for that, I'm up for that.

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Speaker 3: Should do it polky. I'm starting to feel I'm just

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Speaker 3: starting to wonder how much how much of this attention

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Speaker 3: for Philip Poulkinghorn is enjoying. But anyway, we'll find out

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Speaker 3: when he decides whether he's going to be taking that

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Speaker 3: stand or not.

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Speaker 20: Hans talking Heads burning down the house to play us

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Speaker 20: out tonight. David Berne is probably best known as the

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Speaker 20: front man of the Talking Heads, and I don't think

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Speaker 20: he likes that He's best known as the front man

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Speaker 20: of Talking Heads, But could he rather be known for Well,

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Speaker 20: the thing is, it's been thirty four years since they

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Speaker 20: split up, and he's been making music since then. He's

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Speaker 20: just got a new solo album coming out, and he's

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Speaker 20: going to do a tour in support of the album.

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Speaker 20: But all anyone wants to talk from about his talking

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Speaker 20: So he said, yes, I will play some talking Head songs,

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Speaker 20: but I don't want to be just a legacy act

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Speaker 20: who plays of the old hits. So you know, I'm

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Speaker 20: going to play some of my own music as well.

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Speaker 3: He can change that. He can make some of his

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Speaker 3: own hits better than his Talking Head's hits. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that's what I will.

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Speaker 20: Hope people will come for the talking head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do we need to say to David Hate? Have

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Speaker 3: you heard of Harry Styles? His hits are better than

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Speaker 3: one directions, which is why he's called Harry Styles. Look

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Speaker 3: no lives there at all, David, because you're a bit strange,

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Speaker 3: aren't you with your music? No one really was talking

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Speaker 3: kids as well. To be fair, this is very very true. Okay,

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Speaker 3: thank you and hate tomorrow fry yay, how good see

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Speaker 3: you then?

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