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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon, just gone seven after four. The

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Speaker 2: give you details on that, Sir Brian Roach on this

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Speaker 2: report into departments sharing our data. The PM's open to

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Speaker 2: sending peacekeeping troops to Ukraine. Ron Mark reacts. Stuart Nash

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Speaker 2: and Morris Williamson on the Huddle. Plus, we'll look at

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Speaker 2: the RBA's rate cut ahead of our expected one tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge, Well, it's been a long time coming, but

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Speaker 2: finally we have our hands on another Roach report, This

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Speaker 2: one the Public Service Commission, looking at whether census and

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Speaker 2: vaccination data which was handed out to third parties like

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Speaker 2: the Mony Day Women I and the White Pardata Trust,

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Speaker 2: we've been badly let down by our government agencies. They've

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Speaker 2: about that now. Brian wrote said today that the White

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Speaker 2: writing via lawyers so there will be more to come

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Speaker 2: in the meantime they've announced a funding frees. They're turning

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Speaker 2: the money off Health New Zealand and to Perny Corkidy

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Speaker 2: on that later, in fact, we'll speak to sir. Brian

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Speaker 2: wrote after five. Now in Wellington, some patients have been

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Speaker 2: The chief clinical officer at Health inz is Richard Sullivant.

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Speaker 2: He's with me this afternoon. Hi, Richard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cure, Brian, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Things? Is this true?

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Speaker 3: Look Ryan, So the thing to talk through this so

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Speaker 3: So that's absolutely not true. The body mass index is

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Speaker 2: So are you turning people away? I mean that surgery

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Speaker 3: So based on their weight alone, No, there are criterias

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Speaker 3: Not my knowledge specifically on their BMI. People have been

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Speaker 3: So we're just don't gather up the communications we're sending

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Speaker 2: Is there a case to be made for declining people

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Hey, are you going to quit New

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. It's a critical role, hey, de

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Speaker 2: Doesn't feel like a sinking ship.

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Speaker 3: No, no, Look, you know we've got some great stuff

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Speaker 2: Well handled. Richard Sutherland Sullivan, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: got some late breaking news. Leil McDonald has a new job.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, his first coaching position since he departed the All Blacks.

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Speaker 2: You think you've got to pay out when you left your.

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Speaker 2: That Halberg's tonight Lydia Cogan to win. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 7: But after I want to say it, nearly a quarter

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Speaker 6: This, I still haven't had anyone give me a convincing

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Speaker 7: No, I've never indulged in it. I don't see the point.

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Speaker 7: It's not a competition.

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Speaker 12: We do break in.

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Speaker 13: If you know.

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Speaker 2: And I tell you who we'll be happier as Anthony

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Speaker 5: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: The Pope's still in hospital. Here's the latest on.

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Speaker 15: That doctors caring for the Pope have changed the course

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Speaker 2: Finally, this afternoon, scientists have revealed if you're shaking your

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Speaker 2: wee booty right now, well it's actually quite good for you.

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Speaker 2: Scientists revealing that dancing around the kitchen for twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends inn Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Murray Oldiers will as Astralia correspondent. You'll be dancing with

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Speaker 17: Well, yes, very good. Afternoon, Ryan, A lot of people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and instated first in a very long time,

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Speaker 17: I don't know what you thought. I saw that video,

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Speaker 17: It's not a failure of consistency, it's the deliberate engineering

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Speaker 17: you say, blowback Ryan from the outrage it was expressed

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Speaker 17: a week ago.

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Speaker 2: You've got this problem. We have this problem here too,

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Speaker 2: the e bikes and the scooters catching fire because of

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Speaker 2: the batteries. But quite a bad one in wester of Sydney.

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Speaker 17: Oh, dreadful last night. While earlier this morning six o'clock,

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Speaker 17: there were six young people in a rented property in

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Speaker 17: the western suburbs of Sydney at Guilford. They think it's

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Speaker 17: an e scooter. They have to do more forensic testing

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Speaker 17: of the of the of the house, what's left of

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Speaker 17: the house. But five of the residents got out alive.

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Speaker 17: It looks like the sixth a young man was trapped

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Speaker 17: in his bedroom and the dreadful feeling is that perhaps

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Speaker 17: he was charging his e scooter in the bedroom. The

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Speaker 17: things caught fire. What fire and safety officers over here,

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Speaker 17: firefighters have been saying for for months and months and months,

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Speaker 17: it's like a thermal runaway fire. It's not something you

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Speaker 17: can put out with a cup of water. This thing

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Speaker 17: takes on a life of its own and you simply

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Speaker 17: can't put him out. And if the scooter that's blazing

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Speaker 17: away is between you and the only door out of

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Speaker 17: the room, it's not going to end well for you.

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Speaker 17: And so that's why they're saying, if you're going to

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Speaker 17: charge these things, charge them outside, Charge them, not in

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Speaker 17: a exit route out of the home or out of

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Speaker 17: the property where you are. It's the third death in

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Speaker 17: New South Wales that's now being attributed to these things.

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Speaker 17: But have we listen to this three fires and sitting

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Speaker 17: in the last twenty four hours well in them fatal

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Speaker 17: twenty eight fires and ten injuries this year alone, and

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Speaker 17: more than three hundred e scooter or e bike fires

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Speaker 17: last year. But it's not just big batteries. There's one

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Speaker 17: thousand files a month last year from electric toothbrushes, from

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Speaker 17: things like Kenny's Toys. They've got these batteries in they

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Speaker 17: go out in the recycling and in the rubbish and

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Speaker 17: there catching fire in rubbish recycling centers or in the

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Speaker 17: back of rubbish trucks. It's a very big problem. Not

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Speaker 17: sure how they're going to deal with it.

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Speaker 2: To be frank, No, it sounds like it's getting a

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Speaker 2: little out of hand. Murray, thank you for that. Murray

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Speaker 2: Old's Australia correspondent with US just confirming the RBA has

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Speaker 2: cut their first time since twenty twenty, that the Reserve

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Speaker 2: Bank of Australia has cut their official cash. Right over there,

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Speaker 2: we're expecting ours. Of course tomorrow we'll have Brad Olsen

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Speaker 2: on that after sixth this evening coming up next. Why

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Speaker 2: has the boss of stats n Z decided to leave?

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Speaker 2: And was it his decision?

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Speaker 1: Barry So politics with centrics credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen to five, all the secrecy, all of the hiding

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Speaker 2: behind the diplomacy, and finally we have our hands on

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Speaker 2: this comprehensive strategic partnership between the Cooks and China. Barry Spacy, Hey, Barry.

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Speaker 7: And it has to be put into some perspective, doesn't

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Speaker 7: it really?

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Speaker 4: Ryan?

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Speaker 14: That the Cork Hmans has a population of well under

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Speaker 14: twenty thousand people. China has a population of one point

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Speaker 14: four billion people. The Cooks is about the size population wise,

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Speaker 14: or smaller than Levin. So it's like China doing a

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Speaker 14: deal with livi In. And why on earth Mark Brown,

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Speaker 14: the Prime Minister of the Cooks, has kept this deal secret.

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Speaker 14: Goodness only knows either it is creating trouble because it

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Speaker 14: is an insult in New Zealand. We do have an

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Speaker 14: agreement with the Cork Islands to be open and frank

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Speaker 14: with New Zealand about their dealings internationally. They are part

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Speaker 14: of a row are the the New Zealand realm, which

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Speaker 14: basically means we both have as head of stake King

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Speaker 14: King Charles. So no big deal, but I've read of

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Speaker 14: skim read the deal if they if the Chinese are

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Speaker 14: trying to win the hearts and minds of the Cork Islanders,

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Speaker 14: China has agreed to continue to supply scholarship opportunities to

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Speaker 14: the Corks and they'll make every endeavor to take them up.

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Speaker 7: That's the Cork Island.

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Speaker 14: China will continue to promote the Chinese language by Cork

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Speaker 14: Islanders and they're providing they'll provide teaching resources within the

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Speaker 14: Corks to teach them Chinese.

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Speaker 2: See the thing is I mean you mentioned Levin. Levin

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Speaker 2: doesn't need a new port being built for you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 14: The infrastructure has been built by the Chinese in the

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Speaker 14: Cork Islands now for some considerable time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but this looks to me. I mean, the thing

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Speaker 2: that worries me, the only thing that worries me about

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Speaker 2: this agreement is the mention of one belt one road,

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Speaker 2: which is you know, the old Silk the new Silk

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Speaker 2: road they're looking at, so, I mean, are they wanting

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Speaker 2: to put the cooks on it?

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 14: The thing is you look at the the Pacific was

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Speaker 14: ignored by the United States for quite a long time.

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Speaker 14: The Chinese influence in the Court, not in mccox, in

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Speaker 14: the Pacific nationhood has been essentially taken up by the Chinese.

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Speaker 14: So they are much more influence influence in the Pacific

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Speaker 14: than they once were.

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Speaker 7: But that's you'd have to look at the reasons for that.

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Speaker 14: New Zealand's doing its best now to reestablish itself, but

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Speaker 14: doesn't have the money unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: That China has a lot of big reports out today

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Speaker 2: which we've been you know, skimming our way through the

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Speaker 2: Public Service Commission report and we've had a addis into

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Speaker 2: the vaccines and the census Darnam. We've had the state

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Speaker 2: stats in z boss fall on his sword.

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Speaker 14: Yes, Sir Mark Soden, he's going at the end of marches,

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Speaker 14: which is when his contract ends. I'm not sure there

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Speaker 14: has been told to Walker. I suspect that is the case.

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Speaker 14: Brian Roach, who I know very well, probably said to him, Look, come,

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Speaker 14: it's not a good look for the public service. This

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Speaker 14: too many gaps, not enough checks and balances, and of

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Speaker 14: course you've got the Maldi Party right at.

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Speaker 7: The center of this.

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Speaker 14: What this inquiry didn't do though, and it's important to

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Speaker 14: note that it didn't look at the validity of the

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Speaker 14: specific allegations that have been made against the Maldi Party.

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Speaker 14: That's being locked at by the Privacy Commissioner and by

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Speaker 14: the police, and they are the critical ones when it

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Speaker 14: comes to politics and all of this. But certainly the

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Speaker 14: public service generally has been found wanting. And I know

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Speaker 14: you're going to be talking to Brian Roach and you'll

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Speaker 14: know how to repeat those comments.

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Speaker 2: The Green's been a bit silly in parliament.

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Speaker 14: Oh honestly, Ryan, I thought, if you really want to

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Speaker 14: know how ridiculous the Greens can come, it can be

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Speaker 14: when it comes to parliament. Whether New Zealand should be

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Speaker 14: rugging up over winter or letting the lights go off.

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Speaker 14: Here's Chloe Swarbrick answering asking Chris lux in a question

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Speaker 14: that obviously falls into the category of knowing the answer

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Speaker 14: before it's asked, but then later compounding it in my

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Speaker 14: view with just plain silliness.

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Speaker 18: Does extracting and burning coal make climate change better or worse?

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Speaker 19: Well, I'd just say having an oil and gas band

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Speaker 19: that that member signed up for, which has led us

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Speaker 19: to import in huge amounts of Indonesian coal to keep

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Speaker 19: our lights on, we would like it to be gas

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Speaker 19: because that's better than coal and we're not going to

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Speaker 19: have the situation we had last winter.

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Speaker 20: The honorable change on can the Prime Minister confirm as

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Speaker 20: a consequence of the cancellation of the oil and gas industry,

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Speaker 20: over one million dollars worth of coal will be important

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Speaker 20: from Indonesia to enable people to actually enjoy energy security

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Speaker 20: this year.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, and again it wouldn't need to be that way

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Speaker 19: if the previous government had a proper energy policy instead

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Speaker 19: of a bumper stigger.

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Speaker 18: Why does the Prime Minister think that? Roadca, former Chair

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Speaker 18: of the Climate Change Commission, and his final hearing before

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Speaker 18: this Parliament, said that those who promote the combustion of

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Speaker 18: fossil fuels are quote commission crimes against humanity in quote god.

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Speaker 5: Rid to him.

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Speaker 19: I mean, this is an outrageous conversation we're actually having

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Speaker 19: here because this country needs to grow.

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Speaker 2: We need to have economic growth.

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Speaker 19: The Greens not for economic growth.

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Speaker 14: Honestly, I mean, you know, I just thought it's worth

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Speaker 14: playing that just to show how silly this argument can become.

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Speaker 14: She actually even said us Chris likeson whether coal was

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Speaker 14: a mineral, and I don't think he knew actually it's

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Speaker 14: a fossil fuel. But if you look it up, if

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Speaker 14: you look up what coal consists of, there are minerals

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Speaker 14: in coals.

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Speaker 2: It's on our minerals list. Now we can probably sneak

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Speaker 2: it in there. Surely fascinating, that isn't it. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's that sort of level of debate we're either with

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Speaker 2: us or you know, you're an arts kind of Well no,

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Speaker 2: that's exactly.

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Speaker 14: It's just nonsense.

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Speaker 2: And this is Cloie Sawbrook using the electricity that's generated

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Speaker 2: by cold yes.

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Speaker 14: Vibration, flying from Auckland every week to go to Parliament,

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Speaker 14: burning carbon credits.

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Speaker 2: So every time she gets on a planet's a crime

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Speaker 2: against humanity?

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Speaker 7: Exactly got it?

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Speaker 2: So, senior political correspondent, News Talks. He'd be seven to five.

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Speaker 5: All the big names are wrong. The Mike hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: It's time for catch up. Whether I will make Graham

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Speaker 2: Norton has headed our wife? What ab used to be

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Speaker 2: a growing number of shows in this country? Or do

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Speaker 2: you have that nervousness when you talk to an agent

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Speaker 2: going how many shows? How big a haul? How many tickets?

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Speaker 21: You know, all that stuff you do, because most of

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Speaker 21: the stuff I do, it's quite a passive thing to consume.

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Speaker 2: You know, you turn on a radio or you turn

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Speaker 2: on a TV.

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Speaker 5: This you've got the actively go online, reach into your wallet.

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Speaker 2: It's a much bigger it. You can quite like me

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Speaker 2: without thinking I need to leave my coat to spend

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Speaker 2: two hours. Yeah, you're always there, as expect tomorrow at

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Speaker 2: six am, The Mike asking Breakfast with the rain drove

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Speaker 2: of the last News Talk ZEDB four to five on

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Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. So the cooks in China, this deal

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Speaker 2: that's been done. We have a copy of the deal,

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Speaker 2: and already we're finding and hearing about things that weren't

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Speaker 2: in it, including a one off grant. This is according

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Speaker 2: to a local outfit in the Cook Islands, a one

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Speaker 2: off grant of about four million dollars that China will

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Speaker 2: pay to the Cook Islands. Thank you Mark Brown for

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Speaker 2: your visit. There's four million a call, four million dollars

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Speaker 2: for you. And I guess this reporter is more about

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Speaker 2: what's not in it, you know? Is this just the

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Speaker 2: sanitized version that the press is getting today? They say

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Speaker 2: Mark Brown has said in the coming months, in the

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Speaker 2: coming years, there may be some projects that we can formalize.

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Speaker 2: So have they done a spit in a handshake on

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Speaker 2: a few things that we're not quite aware of yet?

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Speaker 2: I would say probably anyway, Winston will go and sort

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Speaker 2: it out, won't he. After six this evening we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about this green bonus for our dairy farmers.

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Speaker 2: How much extra will they get? Is it worth it?

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Speaker 2: Coming up next afternoons, it's sir Brian Roach on the

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Speaker 2: report out of Parliament today.

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Speaker 5: Today.

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Speaker 22: Oh aren't you on? Need you olga ah need?

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Speaker 13: It's beautiful season? Are questions, answers, facts analysis? The drive

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Speaker 13: show you trust for the full picture? Brian Bridge on

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Speaker 13: Heather Duplicy allan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 5: News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Good evening it. At seven after five, news Talk said,

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Speaker 2: be Government agencies have been caught doing a bit of

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Speaker 2: a spray and walk away with personal data. So the

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Speaker 2: State Services Commission has a report out today and it's

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Speaker 2: found that public service agencies shared personal information of us

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Speaker 2: kiwi's with third party agencies without any safeguards. Stats N

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Speaker 2: zed health end Z the Minister of Health all and

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Speaker 2: for a bolocking. So Brian Wroaches the State Service Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: he's with me this evening. Good evening, Good ending, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: the Manurobamri, the wipe Art of Trust and the Pharo

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Speaker 2: Order Commissioning Agency. Can they be trusted with public money?

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Speaker 23: Yes, they currently have public money. I think the issue

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Speaker 23: that was highlighted in the review that we were found

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Speaker 23: to not have all of the protections in place that

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Speaker 23: we need in a new operating environment, and that's what

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Speaker 23: we're seeking to change.

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Speaker 2: So will will they get public money going forward?

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Speaker 23: I think so that's very much an issue for the agencies.

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Speaker 23: My jurisdiction is actually how the agencies provides money to

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Speaker 23: suit parties. I don't have a direct relationship with those,

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Speaker 23: but the principle that we're adopting here is that when

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Speaker 23: you are in receipt of public money, there is a

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Speaker 23: duty of care and obligation to the taxpayer to have

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Speaker 23: certain minimum standards around it on art to sharing and

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Speaker 23: conflicts of interest management.

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Speaker 2: And this report shows that some pretty big government agencies

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Speaker 2: didn't have those.

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Speaker 23: This report does show that, as I've said publicly, this

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Speaker 23: is a very sobering report to read, that it was

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Speaker 23: unacceptable what was done. We left open the fact that

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Speaker 23: public that private information could have been compromised. That's just

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Speaker 23: an unacceptable thing from where I sit. What's the consequence, Well,

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Speaker 23: the consequences the Chief Executive has decided, you know, to

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Speaker 23: not renew as contract. That's a very high sanction. The

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Speaker 23: other consequences are that we are going to change the

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Speaker 23: way that we contract with third parties and we will

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Speaker 23: impose certain standards on them. We will be open to

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Speaker 23: criticism as being bureaucratic. We are not being bureaucratic. We

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Speaker 23: are just being clear about the duty of care required

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Speaker 23: on people who access is public money to discharge services.

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Speaker 2: And this is what I was getting at before. So

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Speaker 2: in the case of Manydowa Marian, the Wipe Data Trust,

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Speaker 2: going forward, will they be able to get contracts or

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Speaker 2: do they have to prove something to departments before they

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Speaker 2: can do that.

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Speaker 23: They, like all other people who receive money, will have

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Speaker 23: to actually comply with the new contract standards, which we

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Speaker 23: hope to be operative from one July. That will be

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Speaker 23: a decision for them whether they choose to do that

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Speaker 23: or not. That is not something for me to decide.

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Speaker 2: And what is the requirement around conflicts of interest in

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Speaker 2: your new standards?

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Speaker 23: We just want greater transparency and the ability to follow

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Speaker 23: the trail to assure ourselves that when you've got public money,

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Speaker 23: you have a duty of care to maintain certain standards.

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Speaker 23: Conflicts of interests is one of them. I think that

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Speaker 23: is a very very generally accepted contractual requirement.

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Speaker 2: Is it appropriate to have the boss of an agent

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Speaker 2: the receiving money also the president of a political party.

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Speaker 23: We live in a very small country where people have

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Speaker 23: multiple roles. Ultimately, that's the matter for the agency who

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Speaker 23: is contracting them to satisfy themselves.

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Speaker 2: On This has been a long time coming, this report,

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Speaker 2: Sir Brian. Were you surprised at just how loose the

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Speaker 2: back end was here from some of our departments?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 23: You know, I've said publicly that this, particularly with respect

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Speaker 23: to this Department of Statistics, it was a systemic failure.

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Speaker 23: You know, they breached a threshold of seriousness which has

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Speaker 23: ended up in the Chief Executive deciding to leave and

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Speaker 23: US having to make quite significant changes across the public sector.

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Speaker 3: You know, it is a very valuable.

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Speaker 23: Learning lesson for us. It has taken a long time.

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Speaker 23: It's a complex area, but it's one that I'm comfortable

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Speaker 23: that we've reached in the right position at the end.

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Speaker 2: So Brian, thank you very much. Times that Brian Wroch,

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Speaker 2: the State Services Commissioner, eleven after five Bridge she Zealand

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Speaker 2: is open to sending peacekeeping troops to Ukraine. Here's the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister this morning. I'll tell you what he said.

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Speaker 2: He said, we are open to sending troops to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: He also wants to get defense spending close to two

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Speaker 2: percent of GDP. We're currently spending just over one percent.

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Speaker 2: The former Defense minister is Ron Marky's with me this evening.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Ryan, how are you today?

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Speaker 2: Very well? Thank you. Do we have the capacity to

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Speaker 2: send well, would we have the capacity to send troops

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine?

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Speaker 3: Well, it depends what role and what function they were

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Speaker 3: being asked to perform. Ryan, I think we know from

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Speaker 3: the many deployments we have around the world that some

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Speaker 3: deployments might just be one or two officers, maybe a

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Speaker 3: dozen in different locales, not like the I think the

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Speaker 3: eight we've got the United Nations, it might be larger

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Speaker 3: than the twenty eight we've got with your Multinational Force

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Speaker 3: and Observed, or you know, if we're considering the seven

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Speaker 3: thousand odd that we sent to East teamor over a

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Speaker 3: extended duration, that was quite a different deployment as was Bosnia.

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Speaker 3: So it really comes down to what does New Zealand

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Speaker 3: want to do and what role would it want to

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Speaker 3: take up in a peacekeeping missile? Are we going to

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Speaker 3: put troops on the ground to enforce a peace keeping

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Speaker 3: a deal or are we going to make cups of tea?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 2: Good question. What do you think about this idea that

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Speaker 2: we pump out spending up to two percent? We're currently

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Speaker 2: at about one point two. I mean, that's but we're

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Speaker 2: talking billions and billions of dollars here. It would happen

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Speaker 2: and presumably over a long period of time, But do

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Speaker 2: we need to do that?

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Speaker 3: Well, when I wrote the New Zealand first Defense policy

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Speaker 3: way back in the nineteen nineties, and I advocated that

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Speaker 3: we should be targeting a budget of two percent of GDP.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people scoffed at it, and I think

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Speaker 3: even the dimest research as we'll find which parties in

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Speaker 3: the Parliament have always resisted increasing defense spending. I don't

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Speaker 3: think we're anywhere near one point one percent right now.

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Speaker 17: Ryan.

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Speaker 3: We hit that high in my time as Minister of Defense,

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Speaker 3: but we've slipped back again. I guess the fund that

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Speaker 3: the base question right now is if we are going

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Speaker 3: to deploy an elements to assist with the peacekeeping operation

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Speaker 3: in Ukraine, what would that look like and how much

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Speaker 3: money would that require? Who's going to pay for it?

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Speaker 3: Are we going to see an immediate injection into the

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Speaker 3: Defense Force to meet such a commitment? And what is

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Speaker 3: the commitment going to be is I don't think you

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Speaker 3: can deploy troops anywhere without providing the resources, both material

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Speaker 3: personnel or be they material personnel or fiscal And to

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Speaker 3: expect the Chief of Defense Force to make a deploy

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Speaker 3: troops on another mission without having an increase in his

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Speaker 3: budget to cover that would not be sensible. It would

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Speaker 3: be setting people up to fail.

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Speaker 2: Certainly sounds reasonable to me. Ron, thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for that. Ron Mark, who's the former defense minister with

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Speaker 2: us just gone fourteen minutes after five the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: this morning. This is what he had to say on

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Speaker 2: sending troops to peacekeeping troops to Ukraine.

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Speaker 25: I think we've got a long way to go. We're

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Speaker 25: very supportive of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: We'd be open to it.

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Speaker 3: We stand with the Ukraine.

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Speaker 19: It's important, you know, we have these values about nation

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Speaker 19: state sovereignty, you know, rule of law.

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Speaker 2: You know, we'd be open to that.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of what had gone to the

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Speaker 2: bridge before we get there isn't there Coming up next,

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Speaker 2: Kate Roger is going to be with us because if

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Speaker 2: you're somebody who watches Netflix, watches any television actually, and

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Speaker 2: also scrolls on your phone, there is a new feature

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Speaker 2: coming that might interest you. It's probably bad for humanity,

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Speaker 2: the state of our brains, but a new feature coming

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Speaker 2: that might help you. We'll get to that next news talks.

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Speaker 2: Here'd be it is seventeen minutes after five. Netflix is

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Speaker 2: now creating a second screen show. This is designed for

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Speaker 2: people who want to scroll on their phones while they're

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Speaker 2: also watching TV. Don't lie, you do it too. The

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Speaker 2: shows feature overly descriptive dialogue, repetitive plots. This is in

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Speaker 2: order to engage an increasingly distracted audience who want to

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Speaker 2: double screen. Kate Rodgers, the film reviewershuits with us this

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Speaker 2: evening high.

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Speaker 24: Kate, you knew to ring there immediately because you knew

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Speaker 24: how much this was going to whine the arts.

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Speaker 2: Kate? Is this the end of the arts?

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Speaker 24: No, this is the devolution of the human race. And

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Speaker 24: before you know it, we're just going to be shopping

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Speaker 24: around like omebers, just sliming along the ground, bumping into

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Speaker 24: each other. We've got a brain cell to spare between us.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to give out an oscar for the

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Speaker 2: best second screen movie?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: Where are we heading?

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Speaker 24: I don't know where we're heading, And honestly, I would

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Speaker 24: argue that ninety percent of the shows we're watching on

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Speaker 24: streaming are basically second screen shows. Anyway. I mean, you

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Speaker 24: know me well enough that when they started telling us

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Speaker 24: that we could watch Christopher Nolan films on our phone,

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Speaker 24: I knew that we were going down hill, and we

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Speaker 24: were going downhill fast. And I also know what a

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Speaker 24: purest I am and what a dinosaur I am. And

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Speaker 24: I will confess there have been one or two moments

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Speaker 24: where I have found myself looking at my phone when

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Speaker 24: I'm watching TV. But I would argue, I'm just watching

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Speaker 24: something rubbish that Max, my twelve year old that's watching.

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Speaker 24: But I'm a red I won't let the kids have

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Speaker 24: a phone if we're going to sit down and watch

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Speaker 24: the movies, whatever it might be, because I do sit

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Speaker 24: my kids down to watch a movie. But I do

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Speaker 24: know that I'm just wasting my breath. I mean, how

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Speaker 24: many phones do you watch? And how many iPads are

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Speaker 24: you watching?

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Speaker 2: When you watch and listening to this. Everybody listening to

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Speaker 2: this knows that they do a little bit of this too.

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Speaker 2: So what will people actually notice to tell us what

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Speaker 2: the difference will be in the product from what I'm gathering?

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Speaker 24: And if anyone's going to do this in part theer

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Speaker 24: this and by the sound of it, it's been happening

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Speaker 24: in boardrooms across streaming head offices all over the world

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Speaker 24: as basically dumbing it down to a level that it's repetitive,

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Speaker 24: that you're never going to lose track of the plot.

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Speaker 24: So you're sitting your scrolling through Instagram and then suddenly

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Speaker 24: you hear the word angela fever. I don't you look

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Speaker 24: up and go, oh, gosh, I forgot that Nigel from

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Speaker 24: because Honah got glendular fever when he was twelve and

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Speaker 24: that's why he's struggling to make his relationship work with

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Speaker 24: Daphney from Cans. And then they'll repeat it again ten

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Speaker 24: minutes later.

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Speaker 10: And you go, oh, angela fever.

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Speaker 24: I guess they're making it so that they're constantly repeating

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Speaker 24: certain bits of a plot in order for you to

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Speaker 24: cap up. And you know what, there's so many people

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Speaker 24: and I know them myself, especially in these days and

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Speaker 24: age where we are stressed and anxious, that go back

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Speaker 24: to shows that we've watched over and over again, whether

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Speaker 24: it's The Gilmore Girls, whether it's Suits, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 24: We know everything that's going to happen. There's a comfort

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Speaker 24: in that. It also means we don't really have to

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Speaker 24: engage the brain or the synapses. We can just let

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Speaker 24: it wash over us and we know what's happening. So

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Speaker 24: they're essentially trying to tap their algorithm into that motion

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Speaker 24: that we don't have to think, and then we can

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Speaker 24: just sit and though why would we bother? Why don't

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Speaker 24: you just sit on Instagram on them? Why don't you

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Speaker 24: watch something?

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Speaker 2: Well exactly, Kate, thank you for that. Hate Roger, who's

878
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Speaker 2: a film reviewer and critic and quite critical of this idea,

879
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Speaker 2: I have to say, you're not doing nothing in defense

880
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Speaker 2: of the net. You are still engaging your brain. In fact,

881
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Speaker 2: you could say you're more engaged because you're multitasking on

882
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: multiple platforms all at once. So I don't know, will

883
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Speaker 2: we become thicker? Have we become thicker? I think the

884
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Speaker 2: answer is probably yes. It's just got twenty one minutes

885
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Speaker 2: after five, you're on news Talk ZB. I'll tell you

886
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Speaker 2: why noise canceling headphones are a bad idea shortly. Also,

887
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Speaker 2: next i'll tell you about how many government departments we

888
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Speaker 2: have in New Zealand compared to everyone's favorite country at

889
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Speaker 2: the moment, Ireland. So there's a lot of mobile companies

890
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Speaker 2: out there claiming to be the best, But what does

891
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Speaker 2: the best actually mean? For one end z it means

892
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Speaker 2: being exhaustively tested by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT part of

893
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Speaker 2: its censure who do this across more than one hundred

894
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Speaker 2: and twenty countries? Globally and boy is they're testing thorough

895
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Speaker 2: it's likeful like comparisons with the same devices on the

896
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Speaker 2: same mobile package at the same location in performing the

897
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Speaker 2: exact same action like downloading a movie or uploading a

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Speaker 2: photo on a phone. They also supplement their scoring with

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Speaker 2: crowdsawce Darter, which covers ninety eight percent of New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: population area. And guess who came out on top is

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four out of our three big tailcos,

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Speaker 2: one en z It's mobile network performed the best, winning

903
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Speaker 2: for both voice and data and that's the third year

904
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Speaker 2: in a row one en z have taken out this award.

905
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Speaker 2: That is impressive. So if you're with one end z,

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Speaker 2: it's good to know you're already on New Zealand's best

907
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Speaker 2: mobile network. And if you're not, check out one dot

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Speaker 2: n z to join the winners.

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Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the d forward, it's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on Heather dup c Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

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00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 5: Let's get connected. News talks'd be five.

912
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Speaker 2: Point twenty five. This idea we blow up some government

913
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Speaker 2: departments and agencies is finally getting its day in the sun.

914
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Speaker 2: So Brian Roach, Who's Luxelon's Public Service ZAR, to use

915
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Speaker 2: a Trump term, is talking about hitting control delete on

916
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: entire agent sees. And you've got to ask yourself, why

917
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: do we have so many and what exactly is their purpose?

918
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Speaker 2: Why do we have a ministry for women? Yes, there

919
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Speaker 2: are disparities between men and women that warrant government attention,

920
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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, But there are also disparities that

921
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Speaker 2: go the other way. Men make up around eighty percent

922
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Speaker 2: of our homeless. Men are three to five times more

923
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Speaker 2: likely to die by suicide. If we follow the logic

924
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Speaker 2: of having a ministry for women, should we not also

925
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Speaker 2: have ministry for men. It's not just departments whose purpose

926
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Speaker 2: is questionable and results hard to quantify, but also the

927
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Speaker 2: sheer number of them. We've created a beast that multiplies

928
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Speaker 2: like a virus and adds layers all the way to

929
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Speaker 2: the top. The New Zealand Initiative did a report and

930
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Speaker 2: they found that this country, compared to comparable nations, has

931
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Speaker 2: forty four percent more ministers, nearly treble the number of portfolios,

932
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Speaker 2: and one and a half times as many departments. Why Ireland,

933
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Speaker 2: which it's trendy at the moment to aspire to be

934
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Speaker 2: like similar population to US has around fifteen ministers, eighteen

935
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Speaker 2: departments and eighteen portfolios. We have seventy eight portfolios and

936
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Speaker 2: forty agencies. If others can cope without them, and they

937
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Speaker 2: seem to be all.

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Speaker 5: Right, why can't we Crayon Bridge.

939
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Speaker 2: Twenty seven, after five year on news Talk, said B

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Speaker 2: lots to come. After the news, we're going to talk

941
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Speaker 2: to you about well, I want to bring you this

942
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Speaker 2: story about noise canceling headphones. I've never used them, but

943
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Speaker 2: if you use them, or if you've got kids who

944
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Speaker 2: use them, there's a bit of a warning about what

945
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Speaker 2: it's doing to your ears also, which kind of doesn't

946
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Speaker 2: make sense because you think noise canceling headphones would be

947
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Speaker 2: good for your ears, but actually they might be quite bad.

948
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Speaker 2: And I'll explain that. We'll also look at that plane

949
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: crash in Toronto and some suggestions from the IPCA on

950
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: how we handle protests going into the future. You're on

951
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: news Talk, said B.

952
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Speaker 22: If you can't tell, they said Sam.

953
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Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan first.

954
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Speaker 5: It's Ryan Bridge on Hither.

955
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Speaker 1: Duplessy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

956
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: news talks.

957
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 5: They'd be We'll never A.

958
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Speaker 2: We'll never, We'll never, twenty five minutes away from six

959
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Speaker 2: Stuart National. Morris Williamson's standing by with the huddle very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Noise canceling headphones Do you use them? I don't use them,

961
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Speaker 2: but I know a lot of young people use them,

962
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Speaker 2: and there's potentially a problem with overuse of as canceling headphones.

963
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Speaker 2: And the GPS have been ringing the alarm bells over

964
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Speaker 2: in the UK about this, which is fascinating. When you

965
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Speaker 2: sit in a cafe, you are listening to dozens of

966
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Speaker 2: different noises all at once. Right, You've got the cafe,

967
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Speaker 2: the coffee grinder going, you've got people chattering away, you've

968
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Speaker 2: got the till ringing, you've got the cars outside, and

969
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Speaker 2: your brain is working, almost like sport. It is working

970
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Speaker 2: to place all of those sounds around you and try

971
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Speaker 2: and figure out where they're coming from. When you have

972
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Speaker 2: noise canceling headphones on, there is just one sound, so

973
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Speaker 2: your brain's ability, this is what they think, your brain's

974
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Speaker 2: ability to figure out where a sound is coming from

975
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Speaker 2: could be affected by this. There's a particular young woman

976
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Speaker 2: who they've looked at who spends five hours a day

977
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Speaker 2: on her noise canceling headphones. Her hearing is fine and

978
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: the hearing test, but she's having trouble deciphering where the

979
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Speaker 2: sounds are coming from and it's taking her longer to

980
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Speaker 2: tune in, and she's not alone in the UK. So anyway,

981
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Speaker 2: just a preemptive warning you if you do use them,

982
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Speaker 2: maybe do it less so twenty three away from six Bridge.

983
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Speaker 2: The Independent Police Conduct Authority is calling for new legislation

984
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Speaker 2: around how officers deal with protests, and we've sent a

985
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Speaker 2: few of those in the last few days, haven't we.

986
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: The changes would allow police and local authorities to set

987
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: conditions around the protest applications, the traffic management, and they

988
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: might even stop you from picketing outside private residence like

989
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: the PM's house. The current framework has also been called

990
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: unfit for purpose and inadequate. The chair of the IPCA

991
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Speaker 2: is Judge Kenneth Johnson. It's good to have you on

992
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: the show. What our protest is allowed to do at

993
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: the moment that you don't want them doing in the future.

994
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 26: What we're trying to do is ensure that police officers

995
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 26: don't have the large the world rather than difficult task

996
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 26: of enforcing a disparate group of criminal provisions in the

997
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 26: context of protests, but.

998
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 27: Rather have an overarching that of legislation that enables them

999
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 27: to identify considerably more precision when activity is stepping outside

1000
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Speaker 27: the bounds of what's been proposed.

1001
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 2: But isn't it obvious. I mean, if somebody punches somebody

1002
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: else on approachest, you can arrest them. If somebody walks

1003
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: onto a highway that's a safety issue, you can arrest them.

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Speaker 26: But that's precifically the point. The outcome of punching somebody

1005
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 26: is not going to change at all. However, if you

1006
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 26: do give notice and it's accepted that you'll be walking

1007
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 26: down Queen Street or up Lampton Key or something on

1008
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Speaker 26: a particular day, then walking down Queen Street or up

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Speaker 26: Lampton Key is not going to result in a charge

1010
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Speaker 26: of blocking the highway or whatever the appropriate charge is

1011
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 26: under the transport legislation.

1012
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: But that's I mean, that's the rule now right. I mean, people,

1013
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: we have the HIKOI over the Harbor Bridge that was

1014
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: escorted by police. That happens now, well, yes.

1015
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 26: It does, but it doesn't alter the fact that blocking

1016
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Speaker 26: the highway can be an offense. The fact that it's

1017
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Speaker 26: not enforced is a definition not always enforced anyway, it

1018
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 26: often is enforced. For example, the Wellington Parliamentary protest.

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00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: What about you know, should it people be able to

1020
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 2: pick it outside the Prime Minister's house, outside anyone's house.

1021
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Speaker 26: Well, that's a particular issue and you will have seen

1022
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Speaker 26: from the report if you've read the whole thing, I

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Speaker 26: imagine you have that we identify that as an area

1024
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Speaker 26: where the Government of the day might like to give

1025
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 26: some consideration to whether that should be lawful or not.

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00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 26: And at the moment it's drift it awful to pick

1027
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 26: it outside the Prime Minister's house that you want to

1028
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 26: whether it should be a not as not a matter

1029
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Speaker 26: for us to determine. And it's an issue that we've

1030
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 26: raised and identified what other countries do in that area,

1031
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 26: and no doubt the Government of the day will give

1032
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Speaker 26: some consideration to it in the fullness of time.

1033
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure they will. Kenneth, thank you very much for

1034
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: your time. Kenneth Johnson Casey, the chair of the IPCA.

1035
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Speaker 2: I'm not entirely convinced, I have to say, after that

1036
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: at twenty away from six, not entirely convinced that that

1037
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: would justify a completely new piece of legislation to deal

1038
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Speaker 2: with protests in New Zealand.

1039
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerbea's international realty, local and

1040
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

1041
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: Joining me Tonight's Stuart Nationville, my Labor minister. Hey Stuart, Hey,

1042
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 2: you're right.

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Speaker 26: How's it going?

1044
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 10: Very good?

1045
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: Thank you. Morris Williamson's here too, all can counsel the

1046
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: former National Minister. Good evening. You've got to feel for

1047
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: the police, Stuart, because there's between a rock and a

1048
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: hard place, especially at the moment with the protest that

1049
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: we're seeing, and they've got cameras on them and they're

1050
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: damned if they go too hard, and they're damned if

1051
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: they go too soft.

1052
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Speaker 25: Well made. As a former Minister of Place, anything that

1053
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 25: can remove the ambiguity from the role of the fantastic

1054
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 25: men and woman on the front line, I'm support off

1055
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 25: And if the framework is not suitable for purpose at

1056
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 25: the moment, then give them a new framework. I mean

1057
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 25: I'm all for this, to be honest, man.

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00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, just not quite sure what's wrong with the current framework.

1059
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 25: Well, if there is ambiguity, and it seems as if

1060
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Speaker 25: there is a bit of ambiguity, if police don't know

1061
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 25: what they can and can't do.

1062
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 5: Then there's always going to be gray areas.

1063
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Speaker 25: But provide a framework which is fit for purpose makes

1064
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 25: it a lot easier to police if police know what

1065
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 25: they're doing.

1066
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: But Morris, they should know. I mean, if you hunt someone,

1067
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: that's an offense. If you go on the road, that's

1068
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Speaker 2: an offense. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, I think I think anything that involves physical activity

1070
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 28: in terms of hurting and damaging people or property, anything

1071
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 28: in terms of threats and so on, I think is

1072
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Speaker 28: an absolute you've foregone your right to be there. You

1073
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Speaker 28: want to go on peacefully protest. I did it over

1074
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Speaker 28: Vietnam War and all sorts of shit years ago, but

1075
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Speaker 28: we peacefully. We've had signs and you know, down with

1076
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 28: America and all that for over Vietnam, but you didn't

1077
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 28: go out and start causing the riots. And the police

1078
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 28: should have absolutely every right to intervene when people are

1079
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 28: threatening personal safety and security. And I think they can

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Speaker 28: do that now if they given a proper edict from

1081
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 28: their high command.

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Speaker 2: I think that is probably more the point, isn't it, Stuart,

1083
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: That it's the top brass that maybe say, oh look

1084
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: this is a bit political let's hold back. That's more

1085
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: than anything, probably what stopped police from getting involved.

1086
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 25: Oh look, I don't think that's the case. There reason

1087
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Speaker 25: no say that is. You know, I've known a lot

1088
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Speaker 25: of top cops over the time, and they're very good

1089
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 25: men and a woman who put the health and safety

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Speaker 25: of their front line officers as their numbers. Well, no,

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Speaker 25: I don't think they say you can't do this because

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Speaker 25: of political ramifications. They allow their men and women on

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00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 25: the front line to do what they need to do

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00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 25: to control the situation. I agree with Morris. If you're

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00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 25: smacking someone, then my guid the police should be able

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Speaker 25: to do whatever they need to be able to do.

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Speaker 25: But if the framework provides ambigulity at the moment, then

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00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 25: put a new framework and play so, you know, so

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Speaker 25: it removes ambiguilty and the police know exactly what they

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Speaker 25: need to do in.

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Speaker 28: The worst part about it all is the number of

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Speaker 28: cameras there. Everyone's got a camera, everyone's filming it, and

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00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 28: you've got sitting there thinking if I grabbed this person

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Speaker 28: who's blocking the road, stuffing people's lives and every and

1105
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 28: I even pushed them out of the way, that'll be

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00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 28: the story exactly and I think the news media have

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 28: got a lot to sort of answer for about making

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00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 28: it the big story when all you did is clear

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00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 28: somebody out of blocking a road and allow people to travel.

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Speaker 25: I agree with you one hundred pcent.

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Speaker 2: Mars Right, guys, we'll leave this here because we have

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00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: so much to discuss when we come back. Stuart Nash

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00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: and Morris Williamson will get to the report from the

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Speaker 2: State Services Commission. This is on your data, your census data,

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Speaker 2: your vaccination data, Where is it ending up and what

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00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: checks and balances are in place to make sure it

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00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: doesn't get in the wrong hands.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty Elevate the

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00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: marketing of your Home just.

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Speaker 2: Gone fourteen minutes away from six News Talk, said b

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Speaker 2: Stuart Nash and Marris Williamson on the Huddle tonight. So

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00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: we've had the State Services Commission reports out today and

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Speaker 2: it says that with the census and the vaccination data,

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Speaker 2: that it was released to third parties and we didn't

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Speaker 2: have proper checks and balances in place to make sure

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Speaker 2: nothing untoward happened with it. So on the question of

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: did anything untoward happen with it? The answer is, we

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Speaker 2: actually don't know, and this report doesn't tell us. Stuart,

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Speaker 2: I'm dying to know what you think about this bloody

1130
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: outrageous Ryan.

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Speaker 25: You know, we asked keys to give us a lot

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Speaker 25: of data because we need the data to inform policies.

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 25: And if kiwis believe that their data isn't being kept safe,

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00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 25: then they just won't trust the government. I think this

1135
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 25: is outrageous. And you know the guy, the head of STATSU,

1136
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 25: New Zealander, he's not standing down, he's just not seeking reappointment.

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Speaker 17: I think he should go immediately.

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Speaker 25: I mean the report is damning. The words in the

1139
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 25: report are things like, you know, significant failure, ignored staff concerns,

1140
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 25: reconflict of interest. You know, this is this is really

1141
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 25: really bad. And if the if the public lose confidence

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00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 25: in the government to keep their data safe, they just

1143
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 25: won't give it. So I think this is this is,

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00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 25: this is really bad. It's outrageous.

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Speaker 2: Laur If you think you should be gone now too.

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Speaker 28: Hundred percent, you're dead right. The longest statistic New Zealand

1147
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 28: fourteen years. I think I hold the portfolio and all

1148
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 28: I can tell you is that the integrity of that

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00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 28: data is absolutely everything. People will cooperate at census time

1150
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 28: and so on if they know that that data is

1151
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 28: anonymized and never used for anything. If they think it

1152
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 28: leaks out, you can forget the value of any census.

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Speaker 28: It will be completely valueless.

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Speaker 2: Interesting that they were in terms of the White Data Trust,

1155
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: the money da wom A I and the Final Order

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: Commissioning Agency. They've said with funding going forward that it

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: will not just then actually, but all third parties will

1158
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: have to meet a certain standard before they will give

1159
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: them any more money in the future Stewart, and that

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: will include things like, you know, your conflict dealing with

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00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 2: your conflicts of interest. So that's an interesting development.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 25: Well, look, there are times when you do need to

1164
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 25: share data to inform decisions, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 25: But if anything compromises the integrity of that, then you

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00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 25: know it's got to get And I don't think these

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01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 25: organizations should get any money. I mean, the report says

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Speaker 25: it's not there to find fault, But if you read

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Speaker 25: the report and you read the recommendations that have come

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Speaker 25: out of the report and the conclusions of the report,

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Speaker 25: it kind of draws a bow that that this data

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Speaker 25: hasn't been used. Well, staff concerns we've taken notice of.

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Speaker 25: Don't give these guys any more money if they if

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Speaker 25: they're if they're lacking integrity.

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Speaker 28: So what's totally unacceptable here? As an organization whose role

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Speaker 28: is to promise to guarantee you the integrity of the

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Speaker 28: data they collect from you, now saying oh, well, we'll

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 28: look to improve our role and function. Sorry, you should

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 28: have been absolutely at a grade role and function protection

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Speaker 28: of data right from day zero. And if you weren't,

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Speaker 28: you shouldn't have been the chief executive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, and to be fair, it is only

1183
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: the acting one anyway, but it would be gone at

1184
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: the end of his contracts, be gone. Now are you guilty?

1185
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Speaker 2: And I do think it's actually anything that you should

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01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: be ashamed of, Stuart, But are you guilty of using

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: your phone while watching TV? You know, double scrolling?

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01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 18: No?

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 23: I read this.

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Speaker 25: I mean this is just a further dumbing down of society, right,

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Speaker 25: I don't need to be spoon feed the TV show.

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 25: This is this is Netflix saying again, a dumb down

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 25: shows because people are screening and they can't concentrate on

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Speaker 25: two things at one time. I mean, give me a break.

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01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 25: You know, every now and again I look at my

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01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 25: especially from the gills playing cricket. You look at crick info,

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Speaker 25: or you check your messages every now and again. But

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Speaker 25: it doesn't mean I can't double. I can't look at

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Speaker 25: the TV show well, checking my message every now and again?

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01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you think you think you're a superman?

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01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: You can do it all?

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 25: But I'm not seeing me a look, but I can.

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Speaker 28: You can follow two things, well, I'm going to confess

1205
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 28: right here and now I can't. And the worst thing

1206
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 28: is I've hardly ever seen the end of any TV

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 28: show or any movie. I get, honest, Oh this looks good.

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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 28: And then I'm on the phone and then I see

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01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 28: the screen, and then some text comes in, and I

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01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 28: go off and send some emails, and I come back

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Speaker 28: and the wife because it's over. It was quite a

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 28: good movie, and a god bugger got to wait. I'll

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01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 28: try and watch it again some other times.

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Speaker 2: At least at least it's not because you're not falling asleep.

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01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 28: It's not falling asleep, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, isn't it, Because they're basic are going

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01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: to take out, you know, when you watch a movie

1218
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: and there's lots of action scenes when if you're just

1219
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: listening to something, those action scenes you missile everything that's happened.

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01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: So there'll be less action and a lot more dialogue,

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01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: which to me sounds more like a podcast. I would

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01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: have thought that was more like party.

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01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 25: What's the point. Yeah, so they're either longer or they

1224
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 25: have a lot more boring. I mean, you know, imagine

1225
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 25: Terminator as four hours as supposed to two hours. I'm

1226
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 25: being slightly glid, but but give us some credit. You know,

1227
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 25: if you can check your messages and watch the TV

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 25: at the same time, well there's something wrong with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Sorry Marris, no disrespect mate.

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Speaker 28: But nothing's going to say I thought Terminator was the

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Speaker 28: Public Service Commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, just quickly before we go, now that you've

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Speaker 2: raised it, Morris, which departments would you put the bomb

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Speaker 2: under first?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 28: I've got a list so long. I mean, there are

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01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 28: so many trivial little units with such no gravitas and

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01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 28: so on. If they've got a role and function, make

1239
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 28: them a particular little office within a apartment with one

1240
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 28: chief executive. Not forty six, was it, remember the number? Yeah,

1241
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 28: and in nearly forty agencies it's insane. Honestly, we've just

1242
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 28: every time there's been a little itch politically to scratch it,

1243
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 28: we've oh, we'll make a ministry of you know, small

1244
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 28: grain and seeds to help those people. And you go, no,

1245
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 28: stop this, that we are over bureaucratized with the whole problem.

1246
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 28: We've got way too much bureaucracy killing any innovation and

1247
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 28: you've got to actually pull a whole lot of that

1248
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 28: stuff out of there. I'm delighted what Sir Brian Roach

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01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 28: has at least floated. Hopefully he carries it through.

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01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 25: Look Sir Brian's a legend, there's no doubt about that.

1251
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 25: But it's almost Monty pythonish to have a ministry for

1252
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 25: cutting red tape regulation.

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Speaker 2: David, it is, it actually is. You have to you

1254
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: have to agree with that.

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Speaker 28: Set up a new ministry for reducing ministries.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and we've just added another one with the

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01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: Minister of Growth, for goodness sakes, goes to the Southland.

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01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 2: I don't know where does the list.

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 28: Hoping for the Chad of Islands portfolio, but I never

1260
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 28: picked it up.

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01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: So Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister Morris Williamson Auckland councilor

1262
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: former national minister and falling asleep before the end of

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: every movie. Eight minutes away from six News Talks EBB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

1265
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talks EBB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks VB. It is five minutes away from six.

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Speaker 2: So we've had another plane incident today and we're counting.

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm writing in my little notebook how many plane incidents

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01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 2: we've had since December. We've had quite a few. Anyway,

1270
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 2: this is in Toronto. A plane has flipped somehow managed

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01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: to flip on its head on landing. We had the

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Speaker 2: one in Washington, d C. We had in South Korea,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy nine people lost their lives on

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01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of December. We had the one on

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Speaker 2: Christmas Day. This is the Azerbaijan crash, although that was

1276
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: shot down by the Russians, so that's slightly different case.

1277
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: But anyway, a lot of people, there's a lot of

1278
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: people I've noticed on the plane when I was traveling

1279
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: at the weekend. You know, they are gripping the rests

1280
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: on the flights. I think people are looking at the

1281
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: news and they're thinking, oh, thing's getting worse. So I

1282
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: thought i'd dig out some numbers for you today. These

1283
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: are from MIT. There's the stats from MIT. This is

1284
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: fatality rate commercial planes and it's per million passengers, all right,

1285
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: so to give you an idea, and this is the

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01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: latest number, So twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two, one

1287
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: fatality per fourteen million passengers two thousand and eight to

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01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. So the period before that it was one

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01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: per eight million passengers. So we've come a long way.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot safer now that it was even ten

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01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: years ago. And if you go back even further to

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01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: the bad old days nineteen sixty eight to nineteen seventy seven,

1293
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: it was one death per three hundred and fifty thousand.

1294
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: So there you go. That's progress, isn't it. That's progress.

1295
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's still not it's not guaranteed, but it's

1296
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Speaker 2: a hell of a lot safer than it used to be.

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Speaker 2: Four minutes away from six year on news Talk ZB

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: the lbi's cat rights over in Australia. We're probably gonna

1299
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Speaker 2: do the same tomorrow. Brad Olson is with us after six.

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Speaker 22: Heady to fight at you don't have to forget me.

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Speaker 22: I'd rather here how much you regard me, and pray

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Speaker 22: to God that you never mad me. Then forget me.

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Speaker 22: Oh to no major cover love to norcross your mom

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Speaker 22: bad for ever after all, it's still like me to

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Speaker 22: find out you don't have to forget me, even after

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Speaker 22: all this time.

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Speaker 5: Keeping track off were the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and to May's insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments.

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Speaker 5: Grow your wealth, protect your future, you stalk.

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Speaker 24: Said me.

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Speaker 2: Good evening. It is seven after six coming out brad

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Speaker 2: Olsen on the OCR. We chat to Jamie McKay who's

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Speaker 2: been speaking to Winston Peters. The Aussies are celebrating somewhat

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Speaker 2: over their OCR cut. The rock star economist Paul Bloxam

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Speaker 2: with us before top of the hour, and we're live

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Speaker 2: in London for reaction to Starma and his bid to

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Speaker 2: try and be the middle man between the White House

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Speaker 2: and the EU. Right now, if they keep it green,

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Speaker 2: they'll get the gold Fonterra is offering its dairy farmers

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Speaker 2: an extra one to five cents per kg of milk

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Speaker 2: solids to get the payment. Their emissions, Yes, their climate

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Speaker 2: emissions need to be lower than they were in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: and based on how Fonterra's farms met climate criteria last season,

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Speaker 2: they're expecting around five thousand farmers should qualify for this plus.

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Speaker 2: But wait, there's more. If a farm's emissions are thirty

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Speaker 2: percent lower than the average Mars and Nestley, which is

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Speaker 2: where all this money is coming from, the contract done

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Speaker 2: with them will drop in an additional ten to twenty

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Speaker 2: five cents per kg of milk solids. John Stevenson is

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Speaker 2: the chair of Fonterra's cooperative counsel me Hi, John.

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Speaker 10: Good evening, Right, what do you make of this? I

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Speaker 10: think it's big news for our farmers. It's certainly a

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Speaker 10: significant amount of extra funding and recognition of their high

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Speaker 10: quality milk, and it will make a material difference to

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Speaker 10: those farmers that receive it.

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Speaker 2: So put it in context. Extra one to five cents

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Speaker 2: per kilogram of milk solids might not sound like much

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Speaker 2: to people. What will it? Well, what could it mean

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Speaker 2: to your average farmer?

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Speaker 10: I think what it could mean will depend on their production.

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Speaker 10: But for a for an average farm, you know, we

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Speaker 10: could we could see, we could see recognition there in

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Speaker 10: and around that, you know, sort of ten to twenty

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Speaker 10: thousand dollars MARC depending on the achievement. And I think

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Speaker 10: it's important to note that there there is a range

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Speaker 10: within that, so you know that that will depend on

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Speaker 10: on on farm practices.

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Speaker 2: What are they on farm practices? What's the criteria?

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Speaker 10: So I think what we're hearing from our farmers at

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Speaker 10: the moment is a real desire to understand more about

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Speaker 10: these changes, what these changes that exactly do mean for them,

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Speaker 10: and I suppose ultimately whether they are in with a

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Speaker 10: shot at either some of this money from Fonterra or

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Speaker 10: or more poignantly, the customer funded money. So that's what

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Speaker 10: we're hearing from our farm is exactly those questions. But

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Speaker 10: if we look at look at practices like stocking rate,

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Speaker 10: the ability for our cows to be as efficient as

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Speaker 10: they can be, making sure that they're getting in car,

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Speaker 10: and some of those other green initiatives, my understanding is

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Speaker 10: that they all contribute to the ultimate in number farmers.

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Speaker 2: Surely, this is surely the way that you would like

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Speaker 2: to see climate change handled, you know, as an organization,

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Speaker 2: because it's incentive driven rather than whacking you with a stick.

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Speaker 10: I think you're right in that regard. Ryan, I think

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Speaker 10: our farmer has been asking Fonterierra for some time for

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Speaker 10: evidence that sustainability will deliver the premiums that have been

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Speaker 10: talked about. This is this is evidence of that which

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Speaker 10: I mean within a co op if you need to

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Speaker 10: balance that up against against the corporative nature of Fonterra.

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Speaker 10: So you know, not not all of our farmers are

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Speaker 10: going to receive this money, so that that may present

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Speaker 10: some challenges on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Is it enough to incentivize them to do that for

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Speaker 2: next time?

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Speaker 23: I think so.

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Speaker 10: But each farm will run a cost benefit analysis of

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Speaker 10: how they potentially might achieve those numbers and what investment

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Speaker 10: will be required on farms. So we already have some

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Speaker 10: right at the top end, and yeah they're doing an

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Speaker 10: outstanding job. But for those that aren't, the pressure will

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Speaker 10: come on Fonterra to get alongside them, show them what

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Speaker 10: they need to do to achieve those figures and ultimately

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Speaker 10: whether it's a value proposition worth chasing.

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Speaker 2: John, thank you, obviously not to be scoffed at John Stevenson,

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Speaker 2: chair of Fonterra's cooperative Counsel that he represents the farmers

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Speaker 2: in the Dairy cooperative eleven minutes after six year on

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Speaker 2: News Talk s V. We'll get to brad Olson next.

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Speaker 2: So the Ausies have had a rake cut, so twenty

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Speaker 2: five basis points down to four point one percent over there.

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Speaker 2: It is what they were expecting, but it's their first

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Speaker 2: cut since twenty twenty. And we spoke to Murray Old's

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Speaker 2: earlier he reckoned it would be. So the rates have

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Speaker 2: gone up to the point where you're paying an extra

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars per fortnight and your mortgages in Australia

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Speaker 2: this will leave you or leave you of one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: So it's not going to change your fortunes overnight, but

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Speaker 2: it is certainly a step in the right direction. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to brad Olsen on our fortunes

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Speaker 2: here in New Zealand tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dup to See Allan Drive Full Show

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,800
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Speaker 2: Six fourteen News Talk zb Adrian and All's first outing

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Speaker 2: for the year tomorrow, just one more sleep until where

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Speaker 2: it's pretty much expected to get a fifty basis point cut.

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Speaker 2: So the Reserve Bank the decision tomorrow. Brad Olsen is

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Speaker 2: the Infometrics Principal economists Brad Good Evening. Good Evening. So

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Speaker 2: the fifty basis point camp is growing by the second

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Speaker 2: ahead of the big day tomorrow. Are you in that camp? Yes,

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Speaker 2: very much so.

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Speaker 29: I mean, the Reserve Bank made a bit of a

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Speaker 29: pretty strong rod for their own back back in November

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Speaker 29: and said, look, it would be a pretty difficult move

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Speaker 29: for them to not move by fifty when they look

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Speaker 29: at the monetary policy settings. And I think part of

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Speaker 29: that was because they had a big three month break

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Speaker 29: before between November and this review in February. They wanted

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Speaker 29: to give a pretty strong level of guidance to the

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Speaker 29: market over where they're thinking was where they thought the

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Speaker 29: direction of travel has gone. All of the data that

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Speaker 29: we've had since then has broadly been in the same

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Speaker 29: sort of area. You know, you've seen economic activity that declined,

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Speaker 29: some big revisions in those numbers, but the likes of

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Speaker 29: the unemployment rate, the likes of inflation all broadly coming

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Speaker 29: in at the right level. So not enough of a

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Speaker 29: shift from expectations for the Reserve Bank to shift from

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Speaker 29: their pretty strong guidance.

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Speaker 2: They don't normally give.

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Speaker 29: It quite so strong, and so I think they'll stick

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Speaker 29: to their word at this point, and then.

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Speaker 2: The interesting part, of course, will be what happens after

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Speaker 2: that three and a half percent was where they predicted

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Speaker 2: they might get to by year's end, around three percent

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Speaker 2: is neutral. Do you think that that track will change?

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Speaker 29: Well, I think that's the thing that we're sort of

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Speaker 29: a bit unsure about at the moment. Even financial markets

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Speaker 29: have started to show a bit of a shift so

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Speaker 29: far in twenty twenty five. You know, still pricing in

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Speaker 29: an expectation that the sort of bottom would be around

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Speaker 29: that three percent mark. But interestingly there's a bit more

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Speaker 29: market pricing now picking a slight increase in the official

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Speaker 29: cash rate come early twenty twenty six. And that does

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Speaker 29: make us wonder, if you know, some of those worries

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Speaker 29: about the likes of global inflationary pressures the lower exchange rate,

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Speaker 29: there's a risk I think if the Reserve Bank continues

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Speaker 29: with this expectation of more and more cuts, that they

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Speaker 29: might well overdo it again. They might cut too much

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Speaker 29: and then have to raise things up in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 29: So I think that a smarter move would be for

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Speaker 29: the Reserve Bank to go back to their sort of

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01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 29: watch and worry and weight settings where they say that

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Speaker 29: sort of course least regrets from here as being a

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Speaker 29: bit more data dependent and saying, look, we might well

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Speaker 29: move a bit slower than we said before. We might

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Speaker 29: not cut as much. And I think that overall, the

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Speaker 29: tone I think as most appropriate as saying that there

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Speaker 29: might not be as many further cuts on the table.

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Speaker 2: Which means we got really hurt when they went too

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01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: far one way, and we won't get we won't get

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Speaker 2: the benefit of them going too far the other way.

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Speaker 29: Well, the question here really is we do interest rates

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Speaker 29: sort of settle now what is normal? Because I think

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Speaker 29: anyone thinking that interest rates so you know, getting a

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Speaker 29: mortgage of two percent is sort of you know, lost

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01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 29: their vision a little bit here. I mean that was

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Speaker 29: abnormal interest rates for abnormal times. You know, if you

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Speaker 29: saw interest rates sort of around that sort of low

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Speaker 29: five high four percent mark, that's probably where I think

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Speaker 29: a lot of people, if you look back over interest

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Speaker 29: rates over time, that'd be pretty happy with those sort

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Speaker 29: of numbers. But of course we've got much high house

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Speaker 29: prices than before and similar so I do think we're

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Speaker 29: trying to figure out where the new goldilock zone is.

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Speaker 29: But I think as well for the Reserve Bank. I

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Speaker 29: think sure all it would be a bit more appropriate

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Speaker 29: now to go Look, we've done a lot of the

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Speaker 29: heavy cutting that they needed to. Now it's about fine

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Speaker 29: chuning the process a bit. So let's not be hasty

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Speaker 29: and going capcap cut. Let's have a little bit more

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Speaker 29: of a nuanced approach sort of vectoring and all the

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Speaker 29: data that's coming through, because there's still a lot of

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Speaker 29: moving parts. There's tariffs, says, exchange rates, their growth around

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Speaker 29: the world, all of that will make a difference.

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Speaker 2: All right, Brad, thank you very much. That that's Brad Olsen,

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Speaker 2: Informetric's principal economist on the OCI. We're going to get

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Speaker 2: that announcement tomorrow. We are going to hear from Paul

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Speaker 2: Bloxam as well after six thirty after News at six thirty.

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Speaker 2: He's the rock star economist from HSBC out of Sydney.

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Speaker 2: They've had their meeting at about four thirty this afternoon

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Speaker 2: and announced that they're cutting by twenty five basis points

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Speaker 2: over there. So we'll hear the latest on what their

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Speaker 2: reasoning and rationale is very quickly. I want to run

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Speaker 2: you through because we've had that story from the State

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Speaker 2: Services Commission today. So obviously some questions that the media

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Speaker 2: wanted to ask to Party Maldi, right, and so they

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Speaker 2: go to Party Marty and they say, can we ask

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Speaker 2: some questions now? Debbie is is on holiday in the

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Speaker 2: Cook Islands. Convenient the co leader at Alwadi White to

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Speaker 2: refuse to speak to the press and apparently instead Center

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Speaker 2: Press Secretary, which is not a nice thing to do

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01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 2: to a mob of waiting media, to tell the media

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Speaker 2: all inquiries about the report should be directed to the

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Speaker 2: party president, John Tamaherti. And here's the silly thing about it.

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Speaker 2: Tomaheriti is the CEO of the wye PA Data Trust,

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Speaker 2: which is of course one of the third party providers

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Speaker 2: at the center of this whole thing. So it just

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Speaker 2: kind of makes a mockery of it. The other thing

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Speaker 2: I wanted to mention the median age of women giving

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Speaker 2: birth in New Zealand has reached thirty one and a

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Speaker 2: half years in twenty twenty four. This is new stats

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Speaker 2: out today from stats n Z. The average age thirty

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Speaker 2: one and a half. That is the oldest since the

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Speaker 2: records began in nineteen sixty two. It's interesting because you're

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 2: pushing yourself closer and closer to the you know, when

1515
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: you've got the small window in which you can give birth,

1516
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: women are being pushed or pushing themselves. I suppose in

1517
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: a way closer and closer to that window. So if

1518
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 2: you don't find the right partner, it becomes harder and

1519
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 2: harder and harder, and the runway gets shorter and shorter

1520
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: and shorter. And I've got friends who have been in

1521
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: this situation. It is a very tricky situation to be indeed. Anyway,

1522
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 2: there you go. The average age now thirty one and

1523
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 2: a half. Jamie McKay next News talk EDB.

1524
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 5: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1525
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge, and there's insurance and investments,

1526
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1527
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 5: News talks EDB s.

1528
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 2: T two on News Talk ZB. Jamie McKay is the

1529
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 2: host of the Country Jamie Good Evening.

1530
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 8: Hey, good evening, Ryan, Hey, just before we get into it,

1531
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 8: us driving earlier this afternoon and I heard you talking

1532
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 8: to somebody about the Hallbergs tonight getting underway tonight.

1533
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 28: And I'm with you.

1534
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 8: It's got to be Lydia Cohen. I love Dame Lisa Carrington.

1535
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 8: We all do we all love Lydia as well, but

1536
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 8: when you compare the two sports, and I'm not knocking

1537
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 8: kayaking at all, but on a world stage, think Dame

1538
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 8: Lydia is she a dame yet?

1539
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 2: Yes she is, she's our young.

1540
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 8: I think Dame Lydia deserves to dame. Please the caring

1541
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 8: to me go just my two Bob, No, I like,

1542
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 8: I agree with you.

1543
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: I agree with you, And I think because the global

1544
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, attention, and I guess the global nature of

1545
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: that sport as well, I think will add to the

1546
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 2: to the accolades that she'll probably would tonight. Anyway, we'll

1547
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 2: waiting to see. So you've been speaking with Winston Peters

1548
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 2: today and he is saying, basically, pull out of the

1549
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 2: Paris climate accord. Seymour is saying not yet. And then

1550
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: you've got four old luxem in the middle between between

1551
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: a rock and a hard place.

1552
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 8: Well. Interesting. I talked to Winston earlier this morning and

1553
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 8: he said, look, we should be out, and he's held

1554
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 8: that line for quite a while. He said, what's the

1555
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 8: use of being in when the US in the China

1556
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 8: and Russia there And that's and that's a fair point

1557
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 8: as well. And so I dropped Seymour text just to

1558
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 8: get reiterate what his position was, and he made an

1559
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 8: interesting comment comment. He said, not get out of it yet,

1560
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 8: there's at some stage in the future the cost of

1561
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 8: being in it will be greater than the punishment for leaving.

1562
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 8: So I thought that was a really interesting comment. And

1563
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 8: it does leave Christopher Luxe and all the nats in

1564
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 8: a wee bit of a sticky situation on this one,

1565
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 8: because the cost of complying to this Ryan is what

1566
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 8: twenty three or twenty four billion dollars. So we're not

1567
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 8: talking chump change.

1568
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: There, absolutely not. We've just had John Stevenson on about this.

1569
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: But what do you make of this Fonterra money. It's

1570
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 2: not Fonterra money, it's Nesle and Mars money that they've

1571
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: written into a contract where they farmers will get an

1572
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: extra top up on their payout if they're doing good

1573
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: green things.

1574
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 8: Well, the Nesley Mars top up is ten to twenty

1575
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 8: five cents a kilogram, which is I guess meaningful, But

1576
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 8: it's only going to go to three to three hundred

1577
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 8: and fifty farm Fonterra farms nationwide. That's like three percent

1578
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 8: of their farms. Interestingly the other ones. I don't know

1579
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,839
Speaker 8: whether the John touched on this. I didn't hear the interview,

1580
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 8: but there, if they meet their climate criteria, they're going

1581
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 8: to get one to five cents per kilogram of milk

1582
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 8: solids to meet it. Now, that's less than half half

1583
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 8: a percent of your milk price based on a ten

1584
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 8: dollar payout. And interestingly, on my show today I smoke.

1585
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 8: I spoke to Kevin Smiley Barrett, Yes, the father of

1586
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 8: all the all Blacks and a very handy Taranaki rugby

1587
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 8: player himself, and he thought Mars, this was his initial

1588
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 8: take on it. His hot take on it was Mars

1589
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 8: and Nesle are doing a bit of green washing. And

1590
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 8: I think that's the truth from the coal face from smiling.

1591
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1592
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 2: Interesting. Now, the fed farmers that we get this twice

1593
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: a year, the confidence surveys out at five o'clock tomorrow morning,

1594
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: what are you packing?

1595
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 8: Well, I'd like to say I haven't seen it, but

1596
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 8: I have. But but if I tell you Ryan, I'd

1597
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 8: have to shoot you. Look, I mean even before I

1598
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 8: glanced at and I've got to respect the embargo. Look

1599
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 8: at farmers aren't happy this time around, they will have

1600
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 8: earned they're often unjust tag for being monus. The planets

1601
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 8: are really aligning for farmers at the moment. We've got

1602
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 8: good commodity prices almost right across the board. Walls obviously

1603
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 8: a bit of an outlier strong all I'm talking about,

1604
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 8: but everything else as pretty good. Interest rates are coming down.

1605
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 8: They've got a pretty user friendly government in terms of

1606
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 8: regulation and non farm costs. So I'm expecting Ryan read

1607
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,839
Speaker 8: between the lines on this one. A pretty positive farmer

1608
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 8: confidence survey which will be due out at five am

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01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 8: tomorrow from Federated Farmers.

1610
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: Nice one. I think you've given us a good wink

1611
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: and a nudge thee. Jamie McKay hosted the Country on

1612
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 2: Newstalk Seb twenty six. Minutes after six a couple of

1613
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: texts saying, Ryan, did you mean median or did you

1614
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: mean average birth age? Because Statsnz's had a number out today.

1615
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 2: I meant median. Apologies, Helen. I think I said median,

1616
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: and then I said average, which is a pretty average

1617
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: thing to do for you, Helen, I apologize. So this

1618
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 2: is the median age of women giving birth in New

1619
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 2: Zealand has reached thirty one and a half years old.

1620
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: For twenty twenty four, You're on news Talk, said B.

1621
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: We're live to Osi next.

1622
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 22: Buddy, Buddy.

1623
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 5: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1624
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and mass insurance

1625
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 1: and investments.

1626
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 5: Grew your Wealth, Protect Your Future. News Talks by.

1627
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 30: Drake somebody bummy small combat to give it off, Bums

1628
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 30: buy off. Yeah, I've been breaking my back just keeping

1629
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 30: the weeding zones as y'all know.

1630
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 22: What I mean, and y'all know how we go.

1631
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: Good evening twenty five away from seven, You're on news Talk,

1632
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: said B. We've just been discussing Winston Peters and David

1633
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 2: Seymour and the slightly aligned views on the Paris Acord

1634
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: with Jamie McKay from the Country. I like this text

1635
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 2: a Texter who has said, why is it Winston and

1636
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 2: Seymour not Peter's and Seymour. It's a very good question.

1637
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 2: I think the answer and this is why do we

1638
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: refer to them in that way? I think the answer

1639
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: is in the name, right, Winston is a relatively unusual name.

1640
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 2: Seymour it stands out whereas Peter's. I mean, how many

1641
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 2: last names of Peter's do you know of? And David.

1642
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you called them David, you

1643
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 2: would be like, who are you talking about. There are

1644
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,799
Speaker 2: so many Davids in Parliament, let alone in the general population.

1645
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 2: I think that's why we do it. Twenty four away

1646
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 2: from seven Bryan Bridge, it's some interest rate relief for Ossie's. Finally,

1647
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: the RBA today cutting the official cash rate for the

1648
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 2: first time since twenty twenty. Governor Michelle Bullock, explaining the

1649
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: quarter percent cut to four point one percent.

1650
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 31: It's clear that higher interest rates have been working as anticipated,

1651
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 31: restricting economic activity and putting downward presser on inflation. The

1652
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 31: Board judges it's time to reduce a little bit of

1653
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 31: that restrictiveness. But we cannot declare victory on inflation just yet.

1654
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 31: It is not good enough for inflation to be back

1655
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 31: in the target range temporarily. The Board needs to be

1656
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,480
Speaker 31: confident that is returning to the target range sustainably.

1657
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: Paul Blocks from HSBC, good evening, Good to have you back. Congratulations,

1658
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: you picked that right, we did, We got that one.

1659
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 21: Right, so I'm definitely happy about that. You know, the

1660
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 21: cut was part of it, but the real interesting part

1661
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 21: was just how cautious they were, how much they're really

1662
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 21: giving guidance that this is one move, but actually they're

1663
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 21: going to need more evidence of inflation continuing to fall

1664
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 21: before they would consider cutting again. So we don't think

1665
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 21: that we're thinking that they're going to cut anytime soon again,

1666
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 21: that it's going to be quite a few months before

1667
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 21: we get another cut from the RBA.

1668
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 2: Too early to celebrate. I mean, if you look at

1669
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 2: we were speaking to Mariol's there Ossie correspondent earlier, he said,

1670
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 2: it's about one hundred dollars is it one hundred dollars

1671
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 2: a fortnight, you know, on your average mortgage. And when

1672
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: the rates went up, it was, you know, fifteen hundred

1673
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 2: dollar or whack to your wallets. So it's come back

1674
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: a little bit, but it's not you know, it's not

1675
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: game changing.

1676
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 10: Well that's right.

1677
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 21: So the RBA lifted its cash right by four hundred

1678
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,560
Speaker 21: and twenty five basis points. They stopped doing that in

1679
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 21: November of twenty twenty three. That was the last hike

1680
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 21: that was that arrived and today they took back twenty

1681
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 21: five basis points at that four hundred and twenty five,

1682
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 21: So you know, it's it's as the governor said in

1683
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 21: the recording, you just played. You know, monetary policy is

1684
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 21: still restrictive, it's just a little bit less restrictive, and

1685
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 21: they feel they can make this move because inflation is

1686
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 21: coming down. But then it's still not back where they

1687
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 21: need to be in terms of inflation. It's still not

1688
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 21: quite at the target. And the other thing, of course,

1689
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 21: for Australia is not only is the you know, the

1690
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 21: inflation coming down, but we're doing this within a labor

1691
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 21: market that's still very strong. The unemployment rate is still

1692
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 21: very low. It's it's coming down a little bit in

1693
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 21: the last couple of months, in the last few months

1694
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 21: as well, and so we're sort of close to full employment.

1695
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 21: If you've got a fully employed economy and inflation's coming

1696
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 21: down gradually, the RBA hasn't got a lot of scope

1697
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 21: to be able to lower interest rates quickly. Of course,

1698
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 21: that's in a very big contrast to what's going on

1699
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 21: in New Zealand, where the unemployment rates risen quite a lot,

1700
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 21: inflations come right back to target and the RB and

1701
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 21: Z has already delivered a lot of easing and we

1702
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 21: think tomorrow they'll probably deliver another fifty basis points cut

1703
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 21: as well.

1704
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the question is what do they do after that? So,

1705
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: just coming back to the Governor Michelle Bollock for a second,

1706
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: is she made a new comment on the market pricing

1707
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 2: in future rate cuts.

1708
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 21: Well, absolutely, actually today it was very explicit. Not only

1709
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 21: did she say it, but if you look at the

1710
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 21: RBA's own forecasts, they are only forecasting that their main measure,

1711
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 21: the one they focus on, it gets back to two

1712
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 21: point seven percent and then track cybway so it doesn't

1713
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 21: actually get to two and a half percent in their

1714
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 21: own forecasts. And the reason why it doesn't get all

1715
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 21: the way back down is because their work, they're working

1716
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 21: assumption is market pricing, and so market pricing is assuming

1717
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 21: another eighty four or exsuming eighty five basis points worth

1718
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 21: of cuts altogether. And the Governor delicitly said we think

1719
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 21: at this point in time that if we were to

1720
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 21: deliver that many cuts, inflation won't actually get back to

1721
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 21: two and a half. So they were very explicit about

1722
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 21: saying the market is pricing in too much easing at

1723
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 21: the moment.

1724
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 2: Interesting, what do you reckon about where we end up

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Speaker 2: by years in here in New Zealand, Paul, Because initially

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank here was talking about, you know, three

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Speaker 2: and a half odd percent, but we know that neutral

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Speaker 2: is closer to three percent, and they were talking about

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Speaker 2: three and a half by the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to have to revise that?

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Speaker 21: So we think you're going to get a fifty basis

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Speaker 21: point cut tomorrow from the RBNZ, and then we think

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Speaker 21: that we're going to get three more RBNZ twenty five

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Speaker 21: basis point moved over the subsequent meetings, and that would

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Speaker 21: get you down to three percent on the cash rate.

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Speaker 21: That's our central case, our working assumption for what is

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Speaker 21: going to be delivered in New Zealand. So this is

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Speaker 21: the last big cut and then the ones that follow

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01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 21: will be smaller, And of course the question is going

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01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 21: to be do they actually get to deliver all of

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Speaker 21: those cuts, because the other thing is although New Zealand

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01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 21: has had a big last year, they're starting these starting

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Speaker 21: these signs that things are picking up. The PMI is improving,

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01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 21: dairy prices are high, there's been a turnaround in some

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01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 21: of the sentiment indicators as well, and so you know,

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Speaker 21: how much more does the RBNZ need to deliver. Well,

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Speaker 21: we think fifty tomorrow and then three more twenty fives.

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Speaker 21: But the question is going to be do they need

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Speaker 21: to need to deliver all of that to get the

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Speaker 21: economy to turn around, given it's already starting to turn around.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff, Paul, Thank you. Paul Blox and HSBC chief

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Speaker 2: economists over in Australia. Twenty away from the seven you're

1753
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 2: on news talks, there'd be coming up we Life to

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Speaker 2: London with Indo Brady.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all

1756
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance

1757
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future, Youth talks'd.

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01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 2: Be seventeen to seven news talks. There'd big Kir Starmer

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Speaker 2: is out and about. He's been in Paris with European

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Speaker 2: leaders and he is heading to Washington next week. Did

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Speaker 2: you meet with the President Trump? In the Brady's our

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01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 2: UK correspondent. We want to get the latest from him.

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Speaker 2: High end of good evening.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Ryan, got to speak to you again.

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Speaker 2: So Starner is he trying to be the go between

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Speaker 2: between Washington and the.

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Speaker 4: EU exactly, yes, and Ukraine and just trying to I

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Speaker 4: think provide some security for Europe, or at least to

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Speaker 4: make sure that Europe's voice is heard, because what we're

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01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 4: seeing is Europe being sidelined about an issue in Europe.

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Speaker 4: And it's shocking. I mean everything over the weekend that

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Speaker 4: happens so so quickly. What we know today the Americans

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Speaker 4: will meet with some sort of a Russian delegation in

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Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia. And the big fear was that this was

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Speaker 4: a carve up, that Europe was being completely sidelined to

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01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,839
Speaker 4: be known that Europe at the table defending Ukraine's interests.

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Speaker 4: So Starmer is stepping up. We know he has booked

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Speaker 4: in a trip to see Trump next week in Washington,

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Speaker 4: and in addition to that, Starmer came away from Paris

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Speaker 4: last night saying that he will convene a meeting of

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Speaker 4: European leaders in London after Starmer gets back from DC

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Speaker 4: next week. So this is a seismic week for Ukraine

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Speaker 4: and indeed for.

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Speaker 2: Europe and for Starma. Right, it's quite interesting watching this

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Speaker 2: play out. Do you know one thing I noticed when

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Speaker 2: he was delivering his statement after the meeting, And I

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Speaker 2: know this is a small thing in there, but he

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Speaker 2: was reading it from a piece of paper and I

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Speaker 2: just thought, you know, can you not think on your feet.

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Speaker 4: Look, he's a lawyer. Everyone criticizes the guy. He's a

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Speaker 4: lawyer who became a politician. And I think he's suffering

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Speaker 4: what I call TBS here Tony Blair syndrome. Everyone thinks

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01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 4: labor leader. You know, Blair could walk into a room,

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01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 4: no notes, no paper. He was the biggest brain in

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Speaker 4: the room. He was the best communicator I've ever seen

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Speaker 4: this country produce.

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Speaker 5: And Starmer isn't.

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Speaker 4: Starmer is a methodical lawyer who likes detail. He likes

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Speaker 4: things written down rightly or wrongly. But but look, the

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Speaker 4: alternative was Boris Johnson making it up as you go along,

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01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 4: and look at.

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Speaker 2: That ended European lead and skeptical of about his boots

1803
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 2: on the ground claim though right, yes.

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Speaker 4: So what he offered because he's quite aware Trump is

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01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 4: a transactional president and if you're going to go to

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01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 4: the Trump table, you need to bring something to the deal.

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Speaker 4: And Starmer's idea was that he would offer British troops

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Speaker 4: in their thousands to work as peacekeepers, that they would

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01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 4: be on the border between Ukraine and Russia. He didn't

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01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 4: say for how long. That's the big fear here, that

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01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 4: Mission Creep would set in and this could be a

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01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 4: very long time. So that was Starmer's idea that they

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01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 4: would provide a European security force kind of blue helmets

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01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 4: or white helmets whatever, but ultimately neutral peacekeepers and all

1815
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Speaker 4: off Schultz, the German chancellor for probably another four or

1816
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 4: five days until the election this weekend, he said that

1817
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Speaker 4: he was getting irritated by these kind of conversations. He

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01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 4: does not like it at all. The Spanish were not

1819
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 4: exactly forthcoming either, So it may well be that Britain

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Speaker 4: just provides the peacekeeping troops. We don't know, but Starmer's

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01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 4: quite a where that if you're going to go talk

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01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 4: to Trump, you need to bring him something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you need to have your numbers sort of

1824
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 2: out hit. You know how many you can actually are

1825
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 2: you capable of delivering more bad news for Jim Rettliff.

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Speaker 2: This is Manchester United decide gym. What's happened now?

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Speaker 4: So as he cuts costs absolutely everywhere in his sporting empires,

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01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 4: you know only too well in New Zealand, Manchester United

1829
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 4: are not being spared. There are costs going, there are

1830
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 4: jobs going, redundancies and on the pitch everything is going wrong.

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01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 4: They lost again at the weekend. Who are really average

1832
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 4: Tottenham Hotspur side. However, they have one player, a Brazilian international.

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Speaker 4: Cassie Miro is his name, and this guy was amazing

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01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 4: was being the operative word here when he was at

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Speaker 4: Real Madrid. United brought him in for the transfer fee

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Speaker 4: of one hundred and forty million dollars a couple of

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Speaker 4: years ago. He is reportedly on six hundred thousand n

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Speaker 4: Z dollars a week to kick a soccer ball round.

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Speaker 4: Now it's quite clear he's not at the standard he

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Speaker 4: used to be. The whisper has been United have been

1841
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 4: trying to offload him to Saudi Arabias if any of

1842
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 4: the clubs were crazy money, just to get his wage

1843
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Speaker 4: off the bill. Well, step forward Cassie Mirro and he

1844
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 4: has let it be known he has eighteen months left

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01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 4: on his contract. He's very happy at Manchester and he's

1846
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 4: going to see out his contract. So Jim Ratcliffe will

1847
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 4: be paying him six hundred k a week for the

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01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,759
Speaker 4: next eighteen months gold figure.

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Speaker 2: That is a lot of money, isn't it. I suppose

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01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: for Jim Retlif it's not a lot of money. But

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01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 2: for you and I goodness me in the thank you, I.

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01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 4: Play for half that, Ryan, I play for half that,

1853
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 4: but for Liverpool.

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Speaker 2: In the think in the Brady, a UK correspondent with us,

1855
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 2: it is twelve minutes away from seven here on news

1856
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Speaker 2: Talk to CB. You know, I was looking the other

1857
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 2: day somebody messaged the show on Monday. What is the

1858
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 2: day today? Goodness me, it's Tuesday. Tomorrow's Wednesday. Get it together.

1859
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 2: So somebody message the show on Monday and said, do

1860
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 2: we have terroriffs on other countries? Because we are very

1861
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 2: quick to point the finger and say that we should.

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Speaker 2: You know, Trump's a bad man. You should be dropping tariffs,

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01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 2: shouldn't be imposing terraffs, et cetera, et cetera. We want

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Speaker 2: a free trade world. Well, yes, we do have some tariffs,

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01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 2: and that they're not massive. I will caution you. We

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01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 2: obviously have tariffs, well, excise duties on booze and cigarettes

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Speaker 2: and stuff, but those are applied equally whether we import

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Speaker 2: something into New Zealander, whether we produce it domestically. Those

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01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 2: excise duties are put on most like passenger vehicles for example, cars,

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Speaker 2: all computer software, hardware, they're all tariff free. And most

1871
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Speaker 2: terriffs that we do have are tiny. We're talking zero

1872
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 2: to ten percent, But we do have tariffs. We have

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Speaker 2: tariffs on clothing, footwear and carpeting. Now I'm assuming this

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01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 2: was to protect manufacturing in New Zealand back in the day,

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Speaker 2: and I was trying to figure out why do we

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01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 2: still have them now? There was reference back in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and nine under the previous national government wanting to

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Speaker 2: keep small amounts of tariffs on should we need to

1879
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Speaker 2: negotiate a free trade deal in the future so that

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01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 2: we have something to offer up like, oh, yeah, we've

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Speaker 2: we've got a five percent tariff on shoes. We'll get

1882
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Speaker 2: rid of that if you give us X Y Z

1883
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 2: on our beef and milk powder. So anyway, I'm not

1884
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,799
Speaker 2: quite sure why they're there, but we do have tariffs

1885
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 2: on some pretty strange things. You know, your Nike shoes,

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Speaker 2: for example, apparently have a tariff on them. Ten to

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Speaker 2: seven News Talks EBB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather two per Se Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalks EBB.

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Speaker 2: Seven Away from seven News Talks EBB. If you're somebody

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Speaker 2: who hates the gym and you hate going to on

1892
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Speaker 2: walks and going for runs and keeping fit, basically well,

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Speaker 2: have I got a story for you. So it's just

1894
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Speaker 2: a small study, and I want to caution you, but

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Speaker 2: it's a small study. It's only forty eight people who

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01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 2: are invited to take part in a laboratory test where

1897
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Speaker 2: they were told to dance and whatever style they wanted to.

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Speaker 2: It's from Northwestern University in the United States, and they

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Speaker 2: wanted to look at whether you can dance. How much

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Speaker 2: do you have to dance in a day in order

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01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 2: to meet your minimum recommended minutes of moderate to vigorous

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01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 2: physical activity or exercise per week, which by the way,

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01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 2: is one hundred and fifty minutes. So if you're not

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01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 2: doing one hundred and fifty minutes of moderate to vigorous

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Speaker 2: physical activity a week, you're probably gonna dice in. All right.

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Speaker 2: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but

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Speaker 2: that's it. Anyway they have said you already need to

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01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 2: do is twenty minutes of dancing a day, which actually

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01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 2: is quite a lot because I don't know about you,

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01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:37,799
Speaker 2: but when I dance it is vigorous. It's five minutes,

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Speaker 2: So four five minute slots they reckon and you will

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Speaker 2: meet that. You will hit your targets because your heart

1913
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 2: rate is so elevated compared to what it would be

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Speaker 2: if you went for a walk four or five minute

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01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: bursts and you're away laughing. There you go, Andy, what

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01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 2: are we going out to tonight? Is this something you

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Speaker 2: would dance to?

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm not really a dancer.

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Speaker 2: Well what do you I can't really see you dancing? Actually,

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Speaker 2: what do you do?

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01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 3: Sorry?

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01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 7: Have I mis mislabeled you there?

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Speaker 2: Completely misgendered me, misgendered you as well? All right, No,

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Speaker 2: I do love and I do like to dance at home,

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01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 2: you know, when no one's looking. I like to talk

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Speaker 2: back or what do you?

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Speaker 23: What do you go for?

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Speaker 2: No, I like to go for a bit of Well,

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Speaker 2: actually I've danced to this song. I have danced to

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Speaker 2: the song in my living room.

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Speaker 32: We found Love and Ryan's Place or something like that.

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Speaker 2: That's how good.

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Speaker 30: Now.

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Speaker 32: The reason we're playing this is because the Mission estate

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Speaker 32: opening a poll to find their next big act. So

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Speaker 32: essentially you can go online now you can vote for

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Speaker 32: the act you want to go to the Mission of State,

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Speaker 32: which has actually attracted a lot of really good artists

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Speaker 32: in the past. I had the list here, but I

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Speaker 32: got distracted.

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Speaker 5: What have we got?

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Speaker 32: Phil Collins, Sir Rod Stewart, Dixie checks to out in

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Speaker 32: John all in the past. But you can vote for

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Speaker 32: who you want to go because they want to get

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Speaker 32: a sample size of what people are into at the moment.

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Speaker 32: So it could be Guns n' Roses, Kadie Pierry, eminem

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Speaker 32: Rhianna who this is all on the list as well,

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Speaker 32: So have your vote and they could be making their way.

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Speaker 2: I went to see Eric Claptain at the Mission of

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Speaker 2: State and he was very upsetchy, didn't even really say

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Speaker 2: hello to anyone, which was a bit of a what

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Speaker 2: was this problem? Well, I actually heard it was something

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Speaker 2: to do with the fact that because he's a teetotaler

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Speaker 2: and there was a wine that was made with his

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Speaker 2: name on it, which I don't think he appreciated obviously,

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Speaker 2: as you can imagine playing it anyway. I mean he

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Speaker 2: still sounded great. There you go, all right, Thanks Andy,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for listening and order your text and

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Speaker 2: all your feedback. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 33: Tomorrow, Yellow Dinond said the line how was done? How

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Speaker 33: the shadow blong to Sun?

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