WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 173: An early exit from the WT20 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sad B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:16.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:20.813 --> 0:00:23.573 Take another pat Now it's hetrick. 0:00:24.133 --> 0:00:24.733 It is out. 0:00:25.013 --> 0:00:25.853 The test is over. 0:00:28.093 --> 0:00:30.333 Goodness smoke, Oh wows a beauty. 0:00:30.373 --> 0:00:33.533 It is out and hearing guys, this delivery has in 0:00:33.813 --> 0:00:34.293 the users. 0:00:34.333 --> 0:00:35.053 Be Bold. 0:00:37.213 --> 0:00:40.613 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:40.893 --> 0:00:44.813 powered by News Talks head B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:46.853 --> 0:00:49.893 Hello, welcome to on the front Board. An early flight 0:00:49.973 --> 0:00:53.053 home for the black def the outcome no cricket team 0:00:53.093 --> 0:00:55.893 benches from Toilnament place. But after a first up loss 0:00:55.933 --> 0:00:59.653 to Afghanistan where busy at home was going to be cupped, yep, 0:00:59.813 --> 0:01:03.013 the chances were there. They bogged upperly for eighteen OBErs 0:01:03.613 --> 0:01:07.813 and one man, Chapaine Rutherford, changed the innings momentum there 0:01:07.853 --> 0:01:11.573 He's saved off the last two overs, fifty eight off 0:01:11.613 --> 0:01:14.213 the last five and the black Caps didn't have a 0:01:14.333 --> 0:01:19.453 background prep to reach the target. Well, it's out for 0:01:20.053 --> 0:01:24.253 the black Caps. Where to from here? Joining me and 0:01:24.373 --> 0:01:28.533 Jerious one New Zealand coach Warren Lees. And while there 0:01:28.533 --> 0:01:32.813 are two pretty disastrous results of an international tournament of it. 0:01:32.813 --> 0:01:34.373 It's a dreadful, dreadful thought. 0:01:34.453 --> 0:01:34.773 Really. 0:01:35.533 --> 0:01:38.053 The build up to go to this World Cup, in 0:01:38.093 --> 0:01:42.493 particular because it's where it's being played, was huge, really, 0:01:42.573 --> 0:01:45.693 with the expectation of the cricketing public in New Zealand 0:01:45.813 --> 0:01:49.293 was you know, we're looking for something to look at. 0:01:48.813 --> 0:01:51.733 We want to see our black Caps playing, we want 0:01:51.733 --> 0:01:55.573 to see them playing well. And already the early departure 0:01:55.613 --> 0:02:00.013 from the tournament is disastrous really, and I'm sure the 0:02:00.093 --> 0:02:03.533 dressing room won't be a happy one. The faces will 0:02:03.533 --> 0:02:06.493 be long, will be drawn, and they'll be worried looks 0:02:06.613 --> 0:02:07.853 all around. I should imagine. 0:02:08.533 --> 0:02:11.653 Yeah, there'll be chance to regain some pride. I suppose 0:02:11.693 --> 0:02:14.293 in the remaining two games. Jeremy, we've talked about these 0:02:15.133 --> 0:02:19.293 two games so far. I guess we don't mind and 0:02:19.373 --> 0:02:24.733 probably can accept not making the Super eighth situation. But 0:02:25.053 --> 0:02:27.133 to be a bit more competitive would have made it 0:02:27.413 --> 0:02:32.373 at least something that we could basically accept to some degree, 0:02:32.493 --> 0:02:34.653 wasn't it. They just didn't seem prepared. 0:02:35.373 --> 0:02:37.533 Yeah, it seems as though the whole tournament was. They 0:02:37.573 --> 0:02:40.173 haven't had easy pictures any you know, there haven't been 0:02:40.173 --> 0:02:43.453 big scores, have there? Right throughout the whole tournament really, 0:02:44.333 --> 0:02:47.933 but certainly you know, going to Providence and New Zealand 0:02:47.933 --> 0:02:51.133 had a tricky draw, you know, playing the two toughest 0:02:51.133 --> 0:02:56.813 opponents first on surfaces that didn't suit them really, and 0:02:56.893 --> 0:03:00.693 then before they play the two weaker sides. Therefore, it 0:03:00.893 --> 0:03:04.213 just makes sense you had to be readies from the 0:03:04.213 --> 0:03:07.813 first ball of the tournament. For them, it just seemed 0:03:07.813 --> 0:03:11.053 to me they weren't. And you know, they had to 0:03:11.373 --> 0:03:14.773 really win that Afghan game to push on in the 0:03:14.813 --> 0:03:18.813 tournament and proceed. But you know, we know that they 0:03:18.853 --> 0:03:23.493 didn't start well, and so yeah, that's where we are, 0:03:23.533 --> 0:03:27.813 and we could have won yesterday. But look, classic example, 0:03:27.813 --> 0:03:31.133 if you've already mentioned one man making the difference, yeah, 0:03:31.173 --> 0:03:34.173 you might question perhaps the New Zealand tactics as well. 0:03:34.213 --> 0:03:34.693 With the ball. 0:03:34.973 --> 0:03:38.093 Yeah, it's interesting because for the first eighteen overs the 0:03:38.133 --> 0:03:42.173 Steamers did a good job no spin until lake will 0:03:42.173 --> 0:03:46.373 Phillip's Boldenova. But Stanner got the hospital pass didn't the 0:03:46.533 --> 0:03:50.013 last over, and anything can happen in that situation. But 0:03:50.053 --> 0:03:52.973 one hundred and twelve to nine, you should be able 0:03:53.053 --> 0:03:55.013 to control the game from there. Surely, why are you 0:03:55.093 --> 0:03:56.173 be expecting that, wouldn't you? 0:03:56.493 --> 0:03:59.653 Well, I should imagine that the look on the faces 0:03:59.693 --> 0:04:03.053 of the players would show it all. They were shocked 0:04:03.613 --> 0:04:05.893 in the last three or four overs. They were living 0:04:05.893 --> 0:04:08.293 in shock, really and desperate just to get off the place. 0:04:09.333 --> 0:04:13.453 I can't fathom any other reason, any reason all for 0:04:13.533 --> 0:04:17.493 Satna to be to be left so long. It was 0:04:17.853 --> 0:04:20.333 sort of like throwing him some kind of hand grenade 0:04:20.373 --> 0:04:23.413 at the end. Really, And to have a player like 0:04:23.533 --> 0:04:26.973 Rutherford who was so much in control at that stage 0:04:27.533 --> 0:04:31.853 and he had his emotional state was fired up, wasn't it. 0:04:32.533 --> 0:04:35.053 You could see that it was just going downhill the 0:04:35.053 --> 0:04:39.373 whole time. That the New Zealand team didn't plan or 0:04:39.453 --> 0:04:43.413 change plans perhaps halfway through that innings, and we lost 0:04:43.573 --> 0:04:46.733 a wee bit of control and lost our composure, and 0:04:46.773 --> 0:04:48.813 really that that cost us that that whole game. 0:04:48.893 --> 0:04:52.213 Really good center of bolt earlier Jerry, because he is 0:04:52.253 --> 0:04:56.493 our best spinner in terms of international player, isn't he Well, 0:04:56.533 --> 0:04:56.973 certainly he. 0:04:56.973 --> 0:04:59.773 Could have bowled earlier by leaving him till that late 0:04:59.853 --> 0:05:02.573 the twentieth over. If someone points out, I mean, everybody 0:05:02.693 --> 0:05:06.373 goes for it, then don't they look what Satner did 0:05:06.413 --> 0:05:09.573 to Shepherd and their last when New Zealand we're batting, 0:05:10.093 --> 0:05:15.133 so you know, you can't leave Santner and not bowl 0:05:15.213 --> 0:05:18.013 him if you're going to select him. He's our best, 0:05:18.053 --> 0:05:24.173 most experienced, organized and equality spinner. He gets left handers out. 0:05:25.533 --> 0:05:27.533 He's got a bowl from the right end, so he's 0:05:27.533 --> 0:05:32.613 got at least one side, usually the leg side that's 0:05:32.773 --> 0:05:36.253 you know, longer. And it was. But I mean he 0:05:36.293 --> 0:05:40.293 bowled the eleventh over and went for nine, gets Hussein out, 0:05:40.333 --> 0:05:43.973 who's a left hander anyway, and now two right handers 0:05:43.973 --> 0:05:47.333 are coming in, Russell and Shephard. You know, I just 0:05:47.573 --> 0:05:51.613 didn't I couldn't follow that. I don't know whether Williamson 0:05:51.733 --> 0:05:55.093 was scared off because Phillips went for something like eleven 0:05:55.173 --> 0:05:58.773 or twelve of his over, who was bold before Santna 0:05:59.333 --> 0:06:04.173 because the left handers were there. Look, I don't think 0:06:04.213 --> 0:06:08.133 you can spend all your medium and medium fast resources 0:06:08.213 --> 0:06:11.413 up and do it that way. So sometimes it works, 0:06:11.613 --> 0:06:14.733 let's be fair about that. They just needed the last wicket. 0:06:15.093 --> 0:06:17.973 It didn't work, and it really the game move for 0:06:18.093 --> 0:06:20.533 as you say, a winning game one hundred and twelve 0:06:20.573 --> 0:06:25.013 to nine. So suddenly they're over par and the West 0:06:25.053 --> 0:06:30.853 Indies look that they can't believe it and suddenly above par, 0:06:31.013 --> 0:06:34.733 and their mood and the side they're dugout has changed entirely. 0:06:35.533 --> 0:06:39.293 Is our batting confident enough now to chase down those targets? 0:06:39.333 --> 0:06:41.453 I mean, normally you would expect to be able to 0:06:41.493 --> 0:06:42.813 chase targets around about one. 0:06:42.733 --> 0:06:43.293 Hundred and fifty. 0:06:43.333 --> 0:06:43.493 I not. 0:06:43.493 --> 0:06:47.093 It's different in the Caribbean because the pitchers are different. 0:06:47.093 --> 0:06:52.533 They're slower and lower and changeable. But the batting needs 0:06:52.573 --> 0:06:55.813 to be a lot more consistent. They've got to settle 0:06:55.853 --> 0:07:00.453 on the top five batsmen rather than changing them around Wally, 0:07:00.493 --> 0:07:00.853 don't they. 0:07:01.813 --> 0:07:03.973 I don't think they've got any idea who their top 0:07:04.013 --> 0:07:06.973 five batsmen are. I think we can go back to 0:07:07.013 --> 0:07:09.493 the lack of preparation before the tournament, or the fact 0:07:09.493 --> 0:07:12.093 that we've lost those two games, the fact that the 0:07:12.093 --> 0:07:15.293 pictures aren't, you know what, conducive to to what we're 0:07:15.413 --> 0:07:17.253 used to and some of the cricket we play. But 0:07:17.893 --> 0:07:20.773 I really don't think they've got a settled team at all. 0:07:21.533 --> 0:07:25.013 And I think they're actually searching for for the Rutherford 0:07:25.533 --> 0:07:29.373 in our team, I mean the western Denver Utherford. I 0:07:29.373 --> 0:07:32.613 think we're looking for someone to be our savior. And 0:07:32.653 --> 0:07:34.893 I know when Phillips went out to Bed. I thought, well, well, 0:07:34.893 --> 0:07:38.093 perhaps this is his day or the niche and type innings. 0:07:38.653 --> 0:07:41.253 But you can't go on into these World Cup things 0:07:41.853 --> 0:07:44.973 without being reasonably settled about your top your top team. 0:07:45.333 --> 0:07:47.973 You can change the way you plan things and that 0:07:48.013 --> 0:07:50.333 may that may change, and you may need two spinners 0:07:50.413 --> 0:07:52.933 or you may you may change your actual plan over 0:07:52.973 --> 0:07:56.933 the whole game. But now I'm just disappointed that we're 0:07:56.973 --> 0:07:59.933 just searching. We're living in hope and as the next 0:07:59.933 --> 0:08:02.213 player comes out, we hope that it's going to be 0:08:02.213 --> 0:08:06.813 his day, whereas we should be looking back and saying, yeah, 0:08:07.293 --> 0:08:10.653 Williamson's getting back into neck and he's playing normal cricket shots, 0:08:10.853 --> 0:08:13.373 and he's hitting the ball straight and he's not trying 0:08:13.373 --> 0:08:15.413 to run the ball into first slip's hands all the 0:08:15.453 --> 0:08:19.093 time on a pitch that's very variable. So those things 0:08:19.573 --> 0:08:22.813 I just wonder where where they're all on the same 0:08:22.853 --> 0:08:25.253 wavelengths when they talk about the plans for the game. 0:08:26.213 --> 0:08:29.213 Wadd's you know, look, look a lot of our players 0:08:29.333 --> 0:08:32.573 just look out of touch, don't they. I mean they 0:08:33.053 --> 0:08:38.253 Conway has had no innings, no cricket. His keeping was 0:08:38.253 --> 0:08:42.533 a bit tidier and the second second match, but you 0:08:42.573 --> 0:08:45.773 know not his batting, they're not. It was a tricky pitch. 0:08:45.813 --> 0:08:50.933 It was more down than up, I thought. But Williamson uncharacteristic, 0:08:51.853 --> 0:08:57.133 really falling away, you know, trying to give himself a 0:08:57.173 --> 0:09:01.173 bit of room to play the shot yesterday, and we 0:09:01.253 --> 0:09:04.973 really need him to be I mean, the West Indies 0:09:05.013 --> 0:09:08.773 at ten sixes and eight fours, right and you steal 0:09:08.853 --> 0:09:11.613 and got eight sixes and seven fours. We're only sixteen 0:09:11.733 --> 0:09:15.413 runs behind them. A player like Williamson and Ravendra and that, 0:09:15.573 --> 0:09:18.453 who are more timers of the ball, they should knock 0:09:18.453 --> 0:09:20.533 the ball around if they can. Well they found they 0:09:20.573 --> 0:09:24.733 couldn't yesterday because they were out too quickly. We needed 0:09:24.773 --> 0:09:27.213 someone to be able to be the glue and between 0:09:27.253 --> 0:09:30.253 the Phillips that while he's talking about and the Misham 0:09:30.613 --> 0:09:33.853 that while he's talking about. Around those players, if you 0:09:33.893 --> 0:09:37.573 get singles and twos, you know we are better than 0:09:37.573 --> 0:09:40.213 the West Indies at that. They are block sloggers. They 0:09:40.333 --> 0:09:43.813 block the ball or they hit big and we got 0:09:43.813 --> 0:09:47.213 done by the bigging guy at the end yesterday. So 0:09:48.053 --> 0:09:51.333 you know, I thought our batting, you know, we just 0:09:51.453 --> 0:09:54.453 lacked play. And you both of you guys have been 0:09:54.493 --> 0:09:59.293 to the West Indies. You cannot rely on practice pictures 0:10:00.093 --> 0:10:03.093 over there to be good enough to sustain and get 0:10:03.173 --> 0:10:07.573 yourself into good nick They're awful practice pitchers generally in 0:10:07.653 --> 0:10:11.053 the West Indies, and so they were left high and dry. 0:10:11.133 --> 0:10:15.413 It's not as if they didn't know this beforehand. Something 0:10:15.493 --> 0:10:18.573 should have been done. They've known this for months leading 0:10:18.613 --> 0:10:22.253 into this tournament. They allowed guys to go to the 0:10:22.293 --> 0:10:26.613 IPI and collect their cash. That's fine, then they send 0:10:26.653 --> 0:10:29.693 them home for a few days with the families. Now, 0:10:29.733 --> 0:10:32.093 I'm not sure that this is a tricky one, isn't 0:10:32.133 --> 0:10:35.973 it when you start talking about that. But maybe they 0:10:36.053 --> 0:10:40.173 needed something then. I don't know, but surely when the 0:10:40.213 --> 0:10:44.333 review comes out, maybe they could have done some things differently. 0:10:44.373 --> 0:10:46.293 I think that's going to come out of it. Surely. 0:10:47.653 --> 0:10:52.253 Yes, I smell a review very much because it needs 0:10:52.293 --> 0:10:54.773 to be done and they've got to talk about things 0:10:54.973 --> 0:10:58.293 like do we need separate coaches. That was a question 0:10:58.373 --> 0:11:01.453 that was posed to me recently, separate coaches for the 0:11:01.493 --> 0:11:03.613 short form and the test match. We don't play a 0:11:03.653 --> 0:11:06.653 lot of best match cricket now, so why not have 0:11:07.133 --> 0:11:11.093 separate coaches? Coach Wally does that what the game needs? Now? 0:11:12.173 --> 0:11:15.693 Well? There will come a time where when Gary Stead 0:11:15.733 --> 0:11:21.333 has had enough or where he needs a refresher. And 0:11:21.373 --> 0:11:24.533 I'm sure with the assistant coaches and the different people 0:11:24.573 --> 0:11:26.853 they use these days, there are a lot of ideas. 0:11:27.133 --> 0:11:30.933 I wonder sometimes and stale is not a very good 0:11:30.973 --> 0:11:34.573 word to use, but the relationship between coach and captain 0:11:34.653 --> 0:11:38.573 sometimes varies a little bit, and I think perhaps with 0:11:38.653 --> 0:11:42.573 kin Williamson being out of touch not playing a lot 0:11:42.573 --> 0:11:46.853 of crickets, you wonder about the team meetings, of the 0:11:46.933 --> 0:11:51.213 hierarchy of the side, and you really do need sometimes 0:11:51.613 --> 0:11:53.293 someone to be able to say I'm going to take 0:11:53.973 --> 0:11:55.893 not the innings by the scruff of the neck. I 0:11:55.893 --> 0:11:57.853 don't mean go out there and bash it around, but 0:11:58.373 --> 0:12:02.693 I mean someone has to take some responsibility. Mitchell was 0:12:02.733 --> 0:12:05.653 that sort of player two years ago, very very much so. 0:12:06.573 --> 0:12:10.693 He was reliable, he would dig in, he would fight, 0:12:10.813 --> 0:12:12.573 you could see it in his face when he batted. 0:12:13.333 --> 0:12:16.493 And yet now he's more like the rest of the 0:12:16.533 --> 0:12:19.573 players are taking it ball by ball, as if there's 0:12:19.613 --> 0:12:23.853 no real thought about the pitch we're playing on, the bowlers, 0:12:24.373 --> 0:12:28.573 the field placings, all those things. You can sometimes tell 0:12:28.773 --> 0:12:30.653 when you look at the players and you think and 0:12:30.773 --> 0:12:35.253 a really one hundred percent into into a programmed plan, 0:12:36.253 --> 0:12:38.853 and I just think we're missing out on it. We're 0:12:38.893 --> 0:12:40.933 all going to come up with the same excuse that 0:12:41.053 --> 0:12:44.093 all the pictures were no good and we didn't get 0:12:44.093 --> 0:12:46.693 the practice. It's the same for everyone. No one at 0:12:46.693 --> 0:12:50.093 the World Cup is picking on the black Caps. No 0:12:50.173 --> 0:12:53.053 one in the organization has picked on the black Caps 0:12:53.133 --> 0:12:56.413 to make it difficult. It's the same for every team, 0:12:56.773 --> 0:12:59.453 and therefore we have to toughen up and go back 0:12:59.493 --> 0:13:00.453 to some of the basics. 0:13:01.573 --> 0:13:04.333 The thing is that both you and Wally, say, Jerry, 0:13:04.813 --> 0:13:07.693 are things that need to be a part of a review. 0:13:08.653 --> 0:13:13.053 In this World Cup, we've seen England improve their run 0:13:13.133 --> 0:13:17.333 rate by bowling Oman out for forty seven and chasing 0:13:17.333 --> 0:13:21.253 them down in three point one over. It's the face 0:13:21.533 --> 0:13:27.333 of T twenty crickets changing in this kind of environment 0:13:27.373 --> 0:13:31.933 where runs and big hitting are overtaken by slow pitchers 0:13:32.413 --> 0:13:37.493 and spin bowlers dominating and the games being evened up. 0:13:37.533 --> 0:13:41.013 Do you see any correlation between that and the way 0:13:41.053 --> 0:13:43.893 the game's playing? And Jerry say, you put that up 0:13:43.933 --> 0:13:49.093 against ipl because there's been no big scoring in this 0:13:49.173 --> 0:13:50.573 World Cup? Really has there? 0:13:50.973 --> 0:13:54.533 No? It just underlines the fact, the conditions and the 0:13:54.573 --> 0:13:59.413 size of grounds particularly make all the difference. And these 0:13:59.533 --> 0:14:04.013 surfaces batsmen, you know, batsmen worth thriving at the IPL, 0:14:04.093 --> 0:14:07.133 weren't they with scores pretty near to sort of too 0:14:07.173 --> 0:14:12.573 eighty and things like that was becoming relatively regular here. However, 0:14:13.093 --> 0:14:15.893 you know on pictures that are not as easy, are 0:14:16.013 --> 0:14:17.973 up and down a bit, are turning a bit, are 0:14:18.013 --> 0:14:23.533 holding a bit, are drying up and drying out. So yeah, 0:14:23.613 --> 0:14:27.653 I think batsmen have to react. Isn't that the whole game? 0:14:27.693 --> 0:14:31.333 Doesn't Williamson keep saying that all the time. Isn't his 0:14:31.773 --> 0:14:37.133 most favorite word. Adapt So you know New Zealand aren't adapting. 0:14:39.493 --> 0:14:43.333 They are just being beaten at the moment. So look, 0:14:43.533 --> 0:14:47.533 yes a review has to happen. And New Zealand now 0:14:47.533 --> 0:14:50.613 I've got maybe have they got two tricky games coming up? 0:14:51.493 --> 0:14:54.533 I don't know. I mean, if the pictures the same, 0:14:54.733 --> 0:14:56.973 surely they'll have to lower their sights a bit, won't 0:14:57.013 --> 0:15:01.533 they to what's a reasonable score to get on that surface? 0:15:02.093 --> 0:15:04.373 And have to work out how they're going to get there. 0:15:04.933 --> 0:15:08.533 I don't think, you know, I don't think it's a 0:15:08.533 --> 0:15:09.893 given thing any longer. 0:15:10.213 --> 0:15:14.213 I think short the shortest version of the game and 0:15:14.253 --> 0:15:16.133 we could get down to a super over is the 0:15:16.173 --> 0:15:19.253 shortest version of the way we end up some of 0:15:19.253 --> 0:15:22.653 these games. Makes it more of a lottery. And therefore, 0:15:22.813 --> 0:15:26.453 when you think back, the best team normally wins a 0:15:26.493 --> 0:15:31.173 test series and the stronger team normally wins a fifty 0:15:31.173 --> 0:15:35.093 over competition, and we get down to T twenty and 0:15:35.133 --> 0:15:38.853 it means that some of the teams that possibly aren't 0:15:38.853 --> 0:15:42.853 the strongest can come through because you're given the opportunity 0:15:42.893 --> 0:15:45.293 to one player as in rather Fit in the West 0:15:45.293 --> 0:15:49.613 Indies taking the game away. And it is possible that 0:15:49.693 --> 0:15:55.013 some of the lesser teams, lesser experience, lesser in success, 0:15:56.013 --> 0:15:57.933 can come through and win some of these games. And 0:15:57.933 --> 0:16:01.093 we accept that be very careful of is that we 0:16:01.413 --> 0:16:03.813 can all the players can fall into the trap of 0:16:03.893 --> 0:16:06.773 saying it doesn't matter if I get out, someone else 0:16:06.813 --> 0:16:09.573 will come along. Because we've just seen in the last 0:16:09.573 --> 0:16:13.733 two games it hasn't happened. And we can't allow ourselves 0:16:13.813 --> 0:16:16.093 to keep losing these wickets in the in the in 0:16:16.133 --> 0:16:19.133 the first ten overs, because as what happened with the 0:16:19.173 --> 0:16:22.173 West Indies, they had a hitter in the last four 0:16:22.293 --> 0:16:25.253 overs and we didn't have We had people who could hit, 0:16:25.733 --> 0:16:27.493 but they weren't. You were never going to call them 0:16:27.653 --> 0:16:30.373 people who could win the game with the bats. And 0:16:30.573 --> 0:16:33.133 we've just kind of, as I said before, we've really 0:16:33.173 --> 0:16:35.053 got to tough en up and go back to a 0:16:35.093 --> 0:16:37.733 few basics of the game, and we work out that 0:16:38.293 --> 0:16:41.693 the best batsmen score the most runs in the last 0:16:41.693 --> 0:16:44.333 five overs of a T twenty game. And if you've 0:16:44.333 --> 0:16:47.253 got batters there who can go out and actually play 0:16:47.333 --> 0:16:50.893 the normal game, it means that your plan it can 0:16:50.933 --> 0:16:54.413 be a lot stronger. We just lose our way, and 0:16:54.853 --> 0:16:58.653 there's no strong You couldn't name a really strong player 0:16:58.973 --> 0:17:02.253 right now in the Black Caps and say he will 0:17:02.293 --> 0:17:04.773 be reliable and he won't let us that we could not. 0:17:05.373 --> 0:17:06.853 And I know they haven't played a lot of cricket, 0:17:07.493 --> 0:17:12.973 but the the body language, the facial expression, the way 0:17:13.013 --> 0:17:16.893 they go about talking to the other batsman in between 0:17:16.933 --> 0:17:20.853 overs is you can It demonstrates a sort of a 0:17:21.013 --> 0:17:24.253 questionable sort of air that I think we just need, 0:17:24.293 --> 0:17:26.253 as I say, we just need someone to take the 0:17:26.293 --> 0:17:27.453 game by the scruff of the neck. 0:17:27.853 --> 0:17:30.973 The top teams have their side set or basically don't 0:17:30.973 --> 0:17:35.093 think they have an eleven. Basically Australia even England, and 0:17:35.133 --> 0:17:38.293 they make adjustments according to the pitch. One of the 0:17:38.453 --> 0:17:40.733 spare parts might come in if they need an extra 0:17:40.773 --> 0:17:44.613 past bowler or another spinner. We don't seem to have that. 0:17:44.613 --> 0:17:47.213 Our side is too changeable, Jerry. 0:17:47.413 --> 0:17:50.853 Well, three changes was quite a lot. And it's more 0:17:50.853 --> 0:17:53.133 than a quarter is it a quarter of the side, 0:17:53.653 --> 0:17:58.773 So yeah, it is quite especially after only one game. 0:17:59.693 --> 0:18:03.813 It is a changeable kind of side. They're not quite sure, 0:18:04.213 --> 0:18:08.853 and they haven't played enough to sort of develop that. 0:18:08.853 --> 0:18:10.893 That's not an excuse, so I'm not trying to make 0:18:10.933 --> 0:18:13.733 an excuse for them. They should have played a bit 0:18:13.773 --> 0:18:17.773 more somehow and and done something or you know, to 0:18:17.813 --> 0:18:23.053 do nothing was pretty weak, I think, and it's been 0:18:23.133 --> 0:18:26.293 costly for the New Zealanders. They'll be disappointed, of course 0:18:26.333 --> 0:18:28.973 they will. But while he's kind of right in the 0:18:29.013 --> 0:18:32.453 way we say going back and everyone sort of sort 0:18:32.453 --> 0:18:36.933 of inwardly groans awe. But when you when you say that, 0:18:38.133 --> 0:18:42.213 where is their toughness? Come on, boys, get some steel 0:18:42.293 --> 0:18:45.173 in you. Well, it's kind of it is a wee bit. 0:18:45.453 --> 0:18:47.813 It's all a bit of froth and not much sort 0:18:47.813 --> 0:18:50.773 of stuff under theerneath to hold it all up. And 0:18:51.773 --> 0:18:53.413 it does look a bit like that too. 0:18:54.773 --> 0:18:58.133 I lost by thirteen runs. The post match presser is 0:18:58.213 --> 0:19:02.973 never enjoyable, and Kane Williamson, I'm sure has faced many 0:19:03.613 --> 0:19:06.533 issues where he's had to try and explain. One of 0:19:06.533 --> 0:19:09.493 them from the game against the Western was the work 0:19:09.493 --> 0:19:11.853 of his seemers in the first eighty eight overs they 0:19:11.853 --> 0:19:13.733 had them one hundred and twelve for nine. 0:19:13.933 --> 0:19:15.733 You sort of told us the numbers the area, which 0:19:15.813 --> 0:19:19.253 probably suggested that our seamers were doing a good job, 0:19:19.293 --> 0:19:20.413 and I thought they were. 0:19:20.853 --> 0:19:22.333 They did do a fantastic job. 0:19:23.653 --> 0:19:27.533 The margins in the match are fine, you know, and 0:19:27.853 --> 0:19:31.373 conditions like that two or three balls that when the 0:19:31.453 --> 0:19:33.773 matchup suits can be the difference. 0:19:33.773 --> 0:19:36.333 And we saw a fantastic knock from. 0:19:36.213 --> 0:19:40.373 Rutherford and he certainly timed it beautifully and got his 0:19:40.453 --> 0:19:42.173 matchup and I think at the end of the day 0:19:42.213 --> 0:19:43.413 that was that was the difference. 0:19:43.893 --> 0:19:46.453 The two games to play for some pride after missing 0:19:46.453 --> 0:19:49.733 the Super h Will it be the end of some careers? 0:19:50.213 --> 0:19:53.973 No, I think there's still guys that we'll be here 0:19:54.053 --> 0:19:57.333 for some time. I think if we look at, you know, 0:19:57.733 --> 0:20:00.733 the two matches to start off, no doubt they've being disappointing. 0:20:00.773 --> 0:20:03.373 You come to a world event, you want. 0:20:03.173 --> 0:20:07.133 To start well and you know, to be honest, we 0:20:08.573 --> 0:20:12.133 we needed to have been better in these conditions specifically, 0:20:12.173 --> 0:20:15.453 and we know that it's going to be a real 0:20:15.493 --> 0:20:17.853 scrap and it's not going to be easy. But if 0:20:17.853 --> 0:20:21.533 you win some small moments matchups go your way, then 0:20:21.813 --> 0:20:26.413 that can be a defining element to your whole tournament. 0:20:26.453 --> 0:20:26.893 Really, and. 0:20:28.773 --> 0:20:31.813 It hasn't happened for us, which is frustrating, but no doubt, 0:20:32.973 --> 0:20:37.973 you know, after tournaments like this you revisit what it 0:20:38.013 --> 0:20:39.333 is that you do and how you do it in 0:20:39.373 --> 0:20:42.493 the conditions that you've experienced, and look at ways to 0:20:42.493 --> 0:20:42.893 get better. 0:20:43.173 --> 0:20:46.013 There certainly room to do that, but frustrating for you 0:20:46.133 --> 0:20:48.773 having put them in, they weren't able to push through 0:20:48.813 --> 0:20:50.373 for the full twenty overs. 0:20:51.293 --> 0:20:53.253 From ninety for seven. 0:20:53.813 --> 0:20:57.093 Whatever the West Indies were to get to one point 0:20:57.093 --> 0:21:02.973 fifty was a fantastic effort and incredibly smart and calculated 0:21:03.013 --> 0:21:07.733 batting from Rutherford to put a contribution like that up 0:21:07.813 --> 0:21:12.813 on that surface was was world class and really got 0:21:12.853 --> 0:21:16.093 them a strong total on that wicket. Having said that, 0:21:17.133 --> 0:21:18.853 you know, it's it's half a match and we know 0:21:18.933 --> 0:21:20.773 that we need to do some some tough work and 0:21:20.813 --> 0:21:23.733 that second innings and try and get an over to that. 0:21:24.973 --> 0:21:26.693 You know, you can try and break the game open, 0:21:26.773 --> 0:21:29.173 and you know we weren't able to do that. When 0:21:29.253 --> 0:21:31.773 you it would be tough, and I thought the guys 0:21:31.813 --> 0:21:34.853 fought hard. But in the West and these know these 0:21:34.933 --> 0:21:38.893 conditions well and and they're playing good crickets and unfortunately, 0:21:38.933 --> 0:21:43.613 like I said, it wasn't today. Yeah, frustrating absolutely to 0:21:44.093 --> 0:21:46.533 start the way we have. The conditions are the same 0:21:46.533 --> 0:21:50.053 for everybody, so it's trying to learn. We've got a 0:21:50.093 --> 0:21:53.653 game again quite quickly, and so we need to get 0:21:54.413 --> 0:21:57.413 better for the experience. We need to put out improved 0:21:57.413 --> 0:21:59.413 performances and gain that knowledge. 0:21:59.453 --> 0:22:02.213 But like you mentioned, the equations looking tough. 0:22:03.333 --> 0:22:07.053 Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 0:22:07.293 --> 0:22:10.133 As I mentioned on the front foot last week, the 0:22:10.213 --> 0:22:12.093 White Fans are heading to the United Kingdom for a 0:22:12.093 --> 0:22:14.573 series of games against England. That's going to be pretty 0:22:14.613 --> 0:22:18.973 tough as it is against one of the strongest sides 0:22:19.333 --> 0:22:22.533 in the world. Craig McMillan has been added to the 0:22:22.573 --> 0:22:26.213 coaching set up, former batting coach for the black Caps. 0:22:26.333 --> 0:22:29.973 He's going along with whoever else has been added to 0:22:30.173 --> 0:22:34.053 the women's coaching lineup. Ben Sawyer has a squad that 0:22:34.133 --> 0:22:36.733 he will look after. I've got a letter from somebody, 0:22:37.933 --> 0:22:42.293 a listener, Jay says the White Friend's team to a 0:22:42.533 --> 0:22:45.493 Lauren Down selected after being absent for one year with 0:22:45.613 --> 0:22:48.613 no play, Surely she should have needed some cricket to play, 0:22:49.373 --> 0:22:53.813 even at domestic level. In normal circumstances, a male wouldn't 0:22:53.813 --> 0:22:56.293 step back and immediately into a New Zealand side, although 0:22:56.293 --> 0:23:00.093 if you're a top quality player that would happen. And 0:23:00.133 --> 0:23:04.693 I think Lauren Down is a pretty good domestic player, 0:23:04.773 --> 0:23:07.413 somebody with a good technique. She's taken time off to 0:23:07.493 --> 0:23:09.493 have a baby and now she wants to come back 0:23:09.533 --> 0:23:11.213 and play cricket. I don't know whether you've seen much 0:23:11.253 --> 0:23:12.453