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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to on the front Board. An early flight
Speaker 3: home for the black def the outcome no cricket team
Speaker 3: benches from Toilnament place. But after a first up loss
Speaker 3: to Afghanistan where busy at home was going to be cupped, yep,
Speaker 3: the chances were there. They bogged upperly for eighteen OBErs
Speaker 3: and one man, Chapaine Rutherford, changed the innings momentum there
Speaker 3: He's saved off the last two overs, fifty eight off
Speaker 3: the last five and the black Caps didn't have a
Speaker 3: background prep to reach the target. Well, it's out for
Speaker 3: the black Caps. Where to from here? Joining me and
Speaker 3: Jerious one New Zealand coach Warren Lees. And while there
Speaker 3: are two pretty disastrous results of an international tournament of it.
Speaker 4: It's a dreadful, dreadful thought.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 4: The build up to go to this World Cup, in
Speaker 4: particular because it's where it's being played, was huge, really,
Speaker 4: with the expectation of the cricketing public in New Zealand
Speaker 4: was you know, we're looking for something to look at.
Speaker 4: We want to see our black Caps playing, we want
Speaker 4: to see them playing well. And already the early departure
Speaker 4: from the tournament is disastrous really, and I'm sure the
Speaker 4: dressing room won't be a happy one. The faces will
Speaker 4: be long, will be drawn, and they'll be worried looks
Speaker 4: all around. I should imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be chance to regain some pride. I suppose
Speaker 3: in the remaining two games. Jeremy, we've talked about these
Speaker 3: two games so far. I guess we don't mind and
Speaker 3: probably can accept not making the Super eighth situation. But
Speaker 3: to be a bit more competitive would have made it
Speaker 3: at least something that we could basically accept to some degree,
Speaker 3: wasn't it. They just didn't seem prepared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems as though the whole tournament was. They
Speaker 2: haven't had easy pictures any you know, there haven't been
Speaker 2: big scores, have there? Right throughout the whole tournament really,
Speaker 2: but certainly you know, going to Providence and New Zealand
Speaker 2: had a tricky draw, you know, playing the two toughest
Speaker 2: opponents first on surfaces that didn't suit them really, and
Speaker 2: then before they play the two weaker sides. Therefore, it
Speaker 2: just makes sense you had to be readies from the
Speaker 2: first ball of the tournament. For them, it just seemed
Speaker 2: to me they weren't. And you know, they had to
Speaker 2: really win that Afghan game to push on in the
Speaker 2: tournament and proceed. But you know, we know that they
Speaker 2: didn't start well, and so yeah, that's where we are,
Speaker 2: and we could have won yesterday. But look, classic example,
Speaker 2: if you've already mentioned one man making the difference, yeah,
Speaker 2: you might question perhaps the New Zealand tactics as well.
Speaker 2: With the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because for the first eighteen overs the
Speaker 3: Steamers did a good job no spin until lake will
Speaker 3: Phillip's Boldenova. But Stanner got the hospital pass didn't the
Speaker 3: last over, and anything can happen in that situation. But
Speaker 3: one hundred and twelve to nine, you should be able
Speaker 3: to control the game from there. Surely, why are you
Speaker 3: be expecting that, wouldn't you?
Speaker 4: Well, I should imagine that the look on the faces
Speaker 4: of the players would show it all. They were shocked
Speaker 4: in the last three or four overs. They were living
Speaker 4: in shock, really and desperate just to get off the place.
Speaker 4: I can't fathom any other reason, any reason all for
Speaker 4: Satna to be to be left so long. It was
Speaker 4: sort of like throwing him some kind of hand grenade
Speaker 4: at the end. Really, And to have a player like
Speaker 4: Rutherford who was so much in control at that stage
Speaker 4: and he had his emotional state was fired up, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: You could see that it was just going downhill the
Speaker 4: whole time. That the New Zealand team didn't plan or
Speaker 4: change plans perhaps halfway through that innings, and we lost
Speaker 4: a wee bit of control and lost our composure, and
Speaker 4: really that that cost us that that whole game.
Speaker 3: Really good center of bolt earlier Jerry, because he is
Speaker 3: our best spinner in terms of international player, isn't he Well,
Speaker 3: certainly he.
Speaker 2: Could have bowled earlier by leaving him till that late
Speaker 2: the twentieth over. If someone points out, I mean, everybody
Speaker 2: goes for it, then don't they look what Satner did
Speaker 2: to Shepherd and their last when New Zealand we're batting,
Speaker 2: so you know, you can't leave Santner and not bowl
Speaker 2: him if you're going to select him. He's our best,
Speaker 2: most experienced, organized and equality spinner. He gets left handers out.
Speaker 2: He's got a bowl from the right end, so he's
Speaker 2: got at least one side, usually the leg side that's
Speaker 2: you know, longer. And it was. But I mean he
Speaker 2: bowled the eleventh over and went for nine, gets Hussein out,
Speaker 2: who's a left hander anyway, and now two right handers
Speaker 2: are coming in, Russell and Shephard. You know, I just
Speaker 2: didn't I couldn't follow that. I don't know whether Williamson
Speaker 2: was scared off because Phillips went for something like eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve of his over, who was bold before Santna
Speaker 2: because the left handers were there. Look, I don't think
Speaker 2: you can spend all your medium and medium fast resources
Speaker 2: up and do it that way. So sometimes it works,
Speaker 2: let's be fair about that. They just needed the last wicket.
Speaker 2: It didn't work, and it really the game move for
Speaker 2: as you say, a winning game one hundred and twelve
Speaker 2: to nine. So suddenly they're over par and the West
Speaker 2: Indies look that they can't believe it and suddenly above par,
Speaker 2: and their mood and the side they're dugout has changed entirely.
Speaker 3: Is our batting confident enough now to chase down those targets?
Speaker 3: I mean, normally you would expect to be able to
Speaker 3: chase targets around about one.
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4: I not.
Speaker 3: It's different in the Caribbean because the pitchers are different.
Speaker 3: They're slower and lower and changeable. But the batting needs
Speaker 3: to be a lot more consistent. They've got to settle
Speaker 3: on the top five batsmen rather than changing them around Wally,
Speaker 3: don't they.
Speaker 4: I don't think they've got any idea who their top
Speaker 4: five batsmen are. I think we can go back to
Speaker 4: the lack of preparation before the tournament, or the fact
Speaker 4: that we've lost those two games, the fact that the
Speaker 4: pictures aren't, you know what, conducive to to what we're
Speaker 4: used to and some of the cricket we play. But
Speaker 4: I really don't think they've got a settled team at all.
Speaker 4: And I think they're actually searching for for the Rutherford
Speaker 4: in our team, I mean the western Denver Utherford. I
Speaker 4: think we're looking for someone to be our savior. And
Speaker 4: I know when Phillips went out to Bed. I thought, well, well,
Speaker 4: perhaps this is his day or the niche and type innings.
Speaker 4: But you can't go on into these World Cup things
Speaker 4: without being reasonably settled about your top your top team.
Speaker 4: You can change the way you plan things and that
Speaker 4: may that may change, and you may need two spinners
Speaker 4: or you may you may change your actual plan over
Speaker 4: the whole game. But now I'm just disappointed that we're
Speaker 4: just searching. We're living in hope and as the next
Speaker 4: player comes out, we hope that it's going to be
Speaker 4: his day, whereas we should be looking back and saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: Williamson's getting back into neck and he's playing normal cricket shots,
Speaker 4: and he's hitting the ball straight and he's not trying
Speaker 4: to run the ball into first slip's hands all the
Speaker 4: time on a pitch that's very variable. So those things
Speaker 4: I just wonder where where they're all on the same
Speaker 4: wavelengths when they talk about the plans for the game.
Speaker 2: Wadd's you know, look, look a lot of our players
Speaker 2: just look out of touch, don't they. I mean they
Speaker 2: Conway has had no innings, no cricket. His keeping was
Speaker 2: a bit tidier and the second second match, but you
Speaker 2: know not his batting, they're not. It was a tricky pitch.
Speaker 2: It was more down than up, I thought. But Williamson uncharacteristic,
Speaker 2: really falling away, you know, trying to give himself a
Speaker 2: bit of room to play the shot yesterday, and we
Speaker 2: really need him to be I mean, the West Indies
Speaker 2: at ten sixes and eight fours, right and you steal
Speaker 2: and got eight sixes and seven fours. We're only sixteen
Speaker 2: runs behind them. A player like Williamson and Ravendra and that,
Speaker 2: who are more timers of the ball, they should knock
Speaker 2: the ball around if they can. Well they found they
Speaker 2: couldn't yesterday because they were out too quickly. We needed
Speaker 2: someone to be able to be the glue and between
Speaker 2: the Phillips that while he's talking about and the Misham
Speaker 2: that while he's talking about. Around those players, if you
Speaker 2: get singles and twos, you know we are better than
Speaker 2: the West Indies at that. They are block sloggers. They
Speaker 2: block the ball or they hit big and we got
Speaker 2: done by the bigging guy at the end yesterday. So
Speaker 2: you know, I thought our batting, you know, we just
Speaker 2: lacked play. And you both of you guys have been
Speaker 2: to the West Indies. You cannot rely on practice pictures
Speaker 2: over there to be good enough to sustain and get
Speaker 2: yourself into good nick They're awful practice pitchers generally in
Speaker 2: the West Indies, and so they were left high and dry.
Speaker 2: It's not as if they didn't know this beforehand. Something
Speaker 2: should have been done. They've known this for months leading
Speaker 2: into this tournament. They allowed guys to go to the
Speaker 2: IPI and collect their cash. That's fine, then they send
Speaker 2: them home for a few days with the families. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that this is a tricky one, isn't
Speaker 2: it when you start talking about that. But maybe they
Speaker 2: needed something then. I don't know, but surely when the
Speaker 2: review comes out, maybe they could have done some things differently.
Speaker 2: I think that's going to come out of it. Surely.
Speaker 3: Yes, I smell a review very much because it needs
Speaker 3: to be done and they've got to talk about things
Speaker 3: like do we need separate coaches. That was a question
Speaker 3: that was posed to me recently, separate coaches for the
Speaker 3: short form and the test match. We don't play a
Speaker 3: lot of best match cricket now, so why not have
Speaker 3: separate coaches? Coach Wally does that what the game needs? Now?
Speaker 4: Well? There will come a time where when Gary Stead
Speaker 4: has had enough or where he needs a refresher. And
Speaker 4: I'm sure with the assistant coaches and the different people
Speaker 4: they use these days, there are a lot of ideas.
Speaker 4: I wonder sometimes and stale is not a very good
Speaker 4: word to use, but the relationship between coach and captain
Speaker 4: sometimes varies a little bit, and I think perhaps with
Speaker 4: kin Williamson being out of touch not playing a lot
Speaker 4: of crickets, you wonder about the team meetings, of the
Speaker 4: hierarchy of the side, and you really do need sometimes
Speaker 4: someone to be able to say I'm going to take
Speaker 4: not the innings by the scruff of the neck. I
Speaker 4: don't mean go out there and bash it around, but
Speaker 4: I mean someone has to take some responsibility. Mitchell was
Speaker 4: that sort of player two years ago, very very much so.
Speaker 4: He was reliable, he would dig in, he would fight,
Speaker 4: you could see it in his face when he batted.
Speaker 4: And yet now he's more like the rest of the
Speaker 4: players are taking it ball by ball, as if there's
Speaker 4: no real thought about the pitch we're playing on, the bowlers,
Speaker 4: the field placings, all those things. You can sometimes tell
Speaker 4: when you look at the players and you think and
Speaker 4: a really one hundred percent into into a programmed plan,
Speaker 4: and I just think we're missing out on it. We're
Speaker 4: all going to come up with the same excuse that
Speaker 4: all the pictures were no good and we didn't get
Speaker 4: the practice. It's the same for everyone. No one at
Speaker 4: the World Cup is picking on the black Caps. No
Speaker 4: one in the organization has picked on the black Caps
Speaker 4: to make it difficult. It's the same for every team,
Speaker 4: and therefore we have to toughen up and go back
Speaker 4: to some of the basics.
Speaker 3: The thing is that both you and Wally, say, Jerry,
Speaker 3: are things that need to be a part of a review.
Speaker 3: In this World Cup, we've seen England improve their run
Speaker 3: rate by bowling Oman out for forty seven and chasing
Speaker 3: them down in three point one over. It's the face
Speaker 3: of T twenty crickets changing in this kind of environment
Speaker 3: where runs and big hitting are overtaken by slow pitchers
Speaker 3: and spin bowlers dominating and the games being evened up.
Speaker 3: Do you see any correlation between that and the way
Speaker 3: the game's playing? And Jerry say, you put that up
Speaker 3: against ipl because there's been no big scoring in this
Speaker 3: World Cup? Really has there?
Speaker 2: No? It just underlines the fact, the conditions and the
Speaker 2: size of grounds particularly make all the difference. And these
Speaker 2: surfaces batsmen, you know, batsmen worth thriving at the IPL,
Speaker 2: weren't they with scores pretty near to sort of too
Speaker 2: eighty and things like that was becoming relatively regular here. However,
Speaker 2: you know on pictures that are not as easy, are
Speaker 2: up and down a bit, are turning a bit, are
Speaker 2: holding a bit, are drying up and drying out. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think batsmen have to react. Isn't that the whole game?
Speaker 2: Doesn't Williamson keep saying that all the time. Isn't his
Speaker 2: most favorite word. Adapt So you know New Zealand aren't adapting.
Speaker 2: They are just being beaten at the moment. So look,
Speaker 2: yes a review has to happen. And New Zealand now
Speaker 2: I've got maybe have they got two tricky games coming up?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, if the pictures the same,
Speaker 2: surely they'll have to lower their sights a bit, won't
Speaker 2: they to what's a reasonable score to get on that surface?
Speaker 2: And have to work out how they're going to get there.
Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: given thing any longer.
Speaker 4: I think short the shortest version of the game and
Speaker 4: we could get down to a super over is the
Speaker 4: shortest version of the way we end up some of
Speaker 4: these games. Makes it more of a lottery. And therefore,
Speaker 4: when you think back, the best team normally wins a
Speaker 4: test series and the stronger team normally wins a fifty
Speaker 4: over competition, and we get down to T twenty and
Speaker 4: it means that some of the teams that possibly aren't
Speaker 4: the strongest can come through because you're given the opportunity
Speaker 4: to one player as in rather Fit in the West
Speaker 4: Indies taking the game away. And it is possible that
Speaker 4: some of the lesser teams, lesser experience, lesser in success,
Speaker 4: can come through and win some of these games. And
Speaker 4: we accept that be very careful of is that we
Speaker 4: can all the players can fall into the trap of
Speaker 4: saying it doesn't matter if I get out, someone else
Speaker 4: will come along. Because we've just seen in the last
Speaker 4: two games it hasn't happened. And we can't allow ourselves
Speaker 4: to keep losing these wickets in the in the in
Speaker 4: the first ten overs, because as what happened with the
Speaker 4: West Indies, they had a hitter in the last four
Speaker 4: overs and we didn't have We had people who could hit,
Speaker 4: but they weren't. You were never going to call them
Speaker 4: people who could win the game with the bats. And
Speaker 4: we've just kind of, as I said before, we've really
Speaker 4: got to tough en up and go back to a
Speaker 4: few basics of the game, and we work out that
Speaker 4: the best batsmen score the most runs in the last
Speaker 4: five overs of a T twenty game. And if you've
Speaker 4: got batters there who can go out and actually play
Speaker 4: the normal game, it means that your plan it can
Speaker 4: be a lot stronger. We just lose our way, and
Speaker 4: there's no strong You couldn't name a really strong player
Speaker 4: right now in the Black Caps and say he will
Speaker 4: be reliable and he won't let us that we could not.
Speaker 4: And I know they haven't played a lot of cricket,
Speaker 4: but the the body language, the facial expression, the way
Speaker 4: they go about talking to the other batsman in between
Speaker 4: overs is you can It demonstrates a sort of a
Speaker 4: questionable sort of air that I think we just need,
Speaker 4: as I say, we just need someone to take the
Speaker 4: game by the scruff of the neck.
Speaker 3: The top teams have their side set or basically don't
Speaker 3: think they have an eleven. Basically Australia even England, and
Speaker 3: they make adjustments according to the pitch. One of the
Speaker 3: spare parts might come in if they need an extra
Speaker 3: past bowler or another spinner. We don't seem to have that.
Speaker 3: Our side is too changeable, Jerry.
Speaker 2: Well, three changes was quite a lot. And it's more
Speaker 2: than a quarter is it a quarter of the side,
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is quite especially after only one game.
Speaker 2: It is a changeable kind of side. They're not quite sure,
Speaker 2: and they haven't played enough to sort of develop that.
Speaker 2: That's not an excuse, so I'm not trying to make
Speaker 2: an excuse for them. They should have played a bit
Speaker 2: more somehow and and done something or you know, to
Speaker 2: do nothing was pretty weak, I think, and it's been
Speaker 2: costly for the New Zealanders. They'll be disappointed, of course
Speaker 2: they will. But while he's kind of right in the
Speaker 2: way we say going back and everyone sort of sort
Speaker 2: of inwardly groans awe. But when you when you say that,
Speaker 2: where is their toughness? Come on, boys, get some steel
Speaker 2: in you. Well, it's kind of it is a wee bit.
Speaker 2: It's all a bit of froth and not much sort
Speaker 2: of stuff under theerneath to hold it all up. And
Speaker 2: it does look a bit like that too.
Speaker 3: I lost by thirteen runs. The post match presser is
Speaker 3: never enjoyable, and Kane Williamson, I'm sure has faced many
Speaker 3: issues where he's had to try and explain. One of
Speaker 3: them from the game against the Western was the work
Speaker 3: of his seemers in the first eighty eight overs they
Speaker 3: had them one hundred and twelve for nine.
Speaker 5: You sort of told us the numbers the area, which
Speaker 5: probably suggested that our seamers were doing a good job,
Speaker 5: and I thought they were.
Speaker 6: They did do a fantastic job.
Speaker 5: The margins in the match are fine, you know, and
Speaker 5: conditions like that two or three balls that when the
Speaker 5: matchup suits can be the difference.
Speaker 6: And we saw a fantastic knock from.
Speaker 5: Rutherford and he certainly timed it beautifully and got his
Speaker 5: matchup and I think at the end of the day
Speaker 5: that was that was the difference.
Speaker 3: The two games to play for some pride after missing
Speaker 3: the Super h Will it be the end of some careers?
Speaker 5: No, I think there's still guys that we'll be here
Speaker 5: for some time. I think if we look at, you know,
Speaker 5: the two matches to start off, no doubt they've being disappointing.
Speaker 6: You come to a world event, you want.
Speaker 5: To start well and you know, to be honest, we
Speaker 5: we needed to have been better in these conditions specifically,
Speaker 5: and we know that it's going to be a real
Speaker 5: scrap and it's not going to be easy. But if
Speaker 5: you win some small moments matchups go your way, then
Speaker 5: that can be a defining element to your whole tournament.
Speaker 6: Really, and.
Speaker 5: It hasn't happened for us, which is frustrating, but no doubt,
Speaker 5: you know, after tournaments like this you revisit what it
Speaker 5: is that you do and how you do it in
Speaker 5: the conditions that you've experienced, and look at ways to
Speaker 5: get better.
Speaker 3: There certainly room to do that, but frustrating for you
Speaker 3: having put them in, they weren't able to push through
Speaker 3: for the full twenty overs.
Speaker 6: From ninety for seven.
Speaker 5: Whatever the West Indies were to get to one point
Speaker 5: fifty was a fantastic effort and incredibly smart and calculated
Speaker 5: batting from Rutherford to put a contribution like that up
Speaker 5: on that surface was was world class and really got
Speaker 5: them a strong total on that wicket. Having said that,
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's half a match and we know
Speaker 5: that we need to do some some tough work and
Speaker 5: that second innings and try and get an over to that.
Speaker 5: You know, you can try and break the game open,
Speaker 5: and you know we weren't able to do that. When
Speaker 5: you it would be tough, and I thought the guys
Speaker 5: fought hard. But in the West and these know these
Speaker 5: conditions well and and they're playing good crickets and unfortunately,
Speaker 5: like I said, it wasn't today. Yeah, frustrating absolutely to
Speaker 5: start the way we have. The conditions are the same
Speaker 5: for everybody, so it's trying to learn. We've got a
Speaker 5: game again quite quickly, and so we need to get
Speaker 5: better for the experience. We need to put out improved
Speaker 5: performances and gain that knowledge.
Speaker 6: But like you mentioned, the equations looking tough.
Speaker 2: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned on the front foot last week, the
Speaker 3: White Fans are heading to the United Kingdom for a
Speaker 3: series of games against England. That's going to be pretty
Speaker 3: tough as it is against one of the strongest sides
Speaker 3: in the world. Craig McMillan has been added to the
Speaker 3: coaching set up, former batting coach for the black Caps.
Speaker 3: He's going along with whoever else has been added to
Speaker 3: the women's coaching lineup. Ben Sawyer has a squad that
Speaker 3: he will look after. I've got a letter from somebody,
Speaker 3: a listener, Jay says the White Friend's team to a
Speaker 3: Lauren Down selected after being absent for one year with
Speaker 3: no play, Surely she should have needed some cricket to play,
Speaker 3: even at domestic level. In normal circumstances, a male wouldn't
Speaker 3: step back and immediately into a New Zealand side, although
Speaker 3: if you're a top quality player that would happen. And
Speaker 3: I think Lauren Down is a pretty good domestic player,
Speaker 3: somebody with a good technique. She's taken time off to
Speaker 3: have a baby and now she wants to come back
Speaker 3: and play cricket. I don't know whether you've seen much
Speaker 3: of her play Wally.
Speaker 4: She's a very good player. In fact, she had she
Speaker 4: had fashioned a very very good record, hadn't played enough
Speaker 4: probably for New Zealand, for the White Ferns, and coming
Speaker 4: back into the team. I think there's a yeah. I
Speaker 4: think there's a rebuild. I think the reliance on our
Speaker 4: top three players over the last by four or five
Speaker 4: years is coming back to haunt us a little bit,
Speaker 4: and we're trying to get I think some experience back
Speaker 4: into the team. I think it is a very important tour.
Speaker 4: We've we've certainly slipped down the international ladder. We've disappointed
Speaker 4: on so many occasions after promising so much, and and
Speaker 4: and the interest in women's sport, and in particular in
Speaker 4: women's cricket in this case, has been huge and I
Speaker 4: think it's a very it's a very good thing that
Speaker 4: people are starting to follow the game. I have no
Speaker 4: problem with Lauren down coming back in the selectors, the coaches,
Speaker 4: the senior players would have recommended her inclusion and the team.
Speaker 4: I think it's fine.
Speaker 3: And Craig McMillan coming into the patching set up, I
Speaker 3: believe it's a positive move because he had a job
Speaker 3: with the men's team. One of the comments that j
Speaker 3: mabe was that he been given the job and he
Speaker 3: had no involvement in female crickets. So will struggle, Well,
Speaker 3: you took the women's team, Is it a struggle?
Speaker 4: I would hope not.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I do remember and quite fondly my brief time with
Speaker 4: the White Ferns and going to the World Cup in Bangladesh.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I found it a challenge for start off.
Speaker 4: I absolutely loved the enthusiasm and the encouraging signs that
Speaker 4: the girls showed. In my time with both Otaga and
Speaker 4: the White Ferns. I look back on playing and coaching
Speaker 4: men and coaching the women, and I can honestly say
Speaker 4: that possibly some of the most enjoyable days I had
Speaker 4: were with the women's team. They were grateful, they were supportive,
Speaker 4: they gave it one hundred percent. That they had never
Speaker 4: been treated fairly in the past, and I hope they
Speaker 4: are now, and encouragement was something they wanted. It's an
Speaker 4: interesting sort of thing, and to say it this way
Speaker 4: may not sound wonderful, but they just needed a shoulder.
Speaker 4: They needed someone to encourage them, to put an arm
Speaker 4: on their shoulder and say, hey, I support you one
Speaker 4: hundred percent and I'm going to do everything for the
Speaker 4: team I can. And I think that's the way it
Speaker 4: is now. I think Craig mcgonrmal fit perfectly into that role.
Speaker 3: Ever a job coaching the women's team.
Speaker 2: I've never sought anything like that. Wadds, as you know,
Speaker 2: and whether it's males or females, but I yeah, I
Speaker 2: can't see any obvious reason that Craig McMillan can't help
Speaker 2: the women play. I mean, he's had a long period
Speaker 2: of coaching the men, hasn't he And he's also been
Speaker 2: in the media, so it's not as if he hasn't
Speaker 2: been around the women's side. I don't see any reason
Speaker 2: if he's got something to offer it. I think as
Speaker 2: a player as while he's really just said, if you're
Speaker 2: a player, you're wanting to have information that someone can
Speaker 2: give you to improve your game. I think that's the
Speaker 2: basis of any relationship and the concept of a coach.
Speaker 2: So I see no reason why he can't if he
Speaker 2: gets on with the team and they get on with him,
Speaker 2: that this should be any reason he can't help them
Speaker 2: in some way.
Speaker 3: Yep, that'd be one of the interesting things to watch
Speaker 3: because he has got enthusiasm, has and he's got energy.
Speaker 3: We know he gets in and gives heart and soul.
Speaker 3: So he wishing well in trying to redevelop the women's
Speaker 3: game because it needs a lot of work.
Speaker 4: Believe me.
Speaker 3: The other comment we've had Paul has sent us a
Speaker 3: comment on a simple issue. I've got to say I'm
Speaker 3: with him. He said, I love the show. Thanks very much.
Speaker 3: It's nice of you to say a budbear of mine,
Speaker 3: not really Black Caps related, is why is there a
Speaker 3: super over for a tie in a group stage game.
Speaker 3: Surely if it's a draw, it's best if points are shared.
Speaker 3: It's particularly ridiculous that a team could pumel another one
Speaker 3: for say two hundred and fifty runs and twenty overs.
Speaker 3: Then it could rain and both teams would get a
Speaker 3: point and all those things would be shared. I wonder
Speaker 3: why they have a super over. It's all for television,
Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean, a tie or a draw is
Speaker 3: a result, isn't it.
Speaker 4: I would certainly think so. I would. I know when
Speaker 4: the super over was first introduced, and even the players
Speaker 4: didn't really understand at the end of it. At the
Speaker 4: end of a contiues that was going to be a
Speaker 4: super over. What are the rules? You know? The new
Speaker 4: things came into the game, but the super over for
Speaker 4: a start off when it first introduced was very exciting,
Speaker 4: so the people, especially those on the ground who had
Speaker 4: paid to come in, and it was part of the entertainment,
Speaker 4: the overall package of the day. I think it's probably
Speaker 4: lost a wee bit now, And I do agree with
Speaker 4: your sort of sentiments in a way, and that I
Speaker 4: should should two teams slug it out for three or
Speaker 4: four hours or even longer and then have to come
Speaker 4: down and bowl a super over to find out that
Speaker 4: one team was going to get two points and the
Speaker 4: other team no points, having had a draw in the
Speaker 4: actual game itself, or in a no result like a penalty.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that anymore. It's just like a
Speaker 2: shootout with soccer, isn't it. With football? You go through
Speaker 2: that just it's really in order to find a winner,
Speaker 2: isn't it. And they want to have a winner, and
Speaker 2: that's pretty paramount, particularly in tournaments sometime times when you've
Speaker 2: got to then in order to progress to the next
Speaker 2: sort of phase of a tournament, they want to have
Speaker 2: someone who've got the points. I guess it's also bowing
Speaker 2: to the fan, to the follower, the view of the eyeballs,
Speaker 2: the entertainment of the value of the game. If you like,
Speaker 2: you know, so, we're going to make it even more
Speaker 2: exciting for you. Now, there were some there were some
Speaker 2: some ridiculous things, weren't they. Weren't there bowl offs at
Speaker 2: some stages to see how many times you could hit
Speaker 2: the stumps as exactly. Then we found out the guys
Speaker 2: who couldn't bolster. Yeah, exactly what do you have another one?
Speaker 2: Then it's yeah, it's ridiculous, but yeah, I look, I
Speaker 2: have sympathy for what the what the person who sent
Speaker 2: this in, you know, especially as the games get longer.
Speaker 2: That's what happened to New Zealand, wasn't it in the
Speaker 2: ode eyes? After playing for six weeks, after playing for
Speaker 2: eight and a half hours, very conscious decision that any
Speaker 2: player could make. They couldn't sort the difference. So we
Speaker 2: have a super over.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I gave the idea that we could share it. Perhaps
Speaker 2: I was shouted down, No, we must have a winner.
Speaker 2: Well how trumpest? How trumpest of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's that's an interesting one. So yeah, well
Speaker 3: it's one of those things I suppose we can talk
Speaker 3: about for a period of time. Soon we'll be talking
Speaker 3: about New Zealand being ruthless against Paper New Guinea and Uganda.
Speaker 3: Were we going to spend the weekend hoping they're ruthless? Wally?
Speaker 3: Are you building up for some ruthlessness? Well?
Speaker 4: I do expect to see a huge improvement, but that'll
Speaker 4: be because of the opposition we're playing against. I'd like
Speaker 4: to see perhaps better pictures, better conditions and a wee
Speaker 4: bit more conducive to players being able to go out
Speaker 4: and play what used to be the normal game. I
Speaker 4: would expect we win both games very very well. It
Speaker 4: will perhaps bring back a wee bit of interest. It
Speaker 4: will forgive some of the performances of the last few days.
Speaker 4: We're not going to go through anymore, and we're all disappointed,
Speaker 4: but we do want them to come home and feel
Speaker 4: as a welcome when they return.
Speaker 2: Aren't we on the same pitch fellas well, the same
Speaker 2: one as says today? Well, can they change that suddenly
Speaker 2: in three days? I don't know about that. But look,
Speaker 2: as I said before, I think they're going to have
Speaker 2: to lower their sights on what is a decent score,
Speaker 2: just a web it, you know, the medium medium bowlers,
Speaker 2: you know, God, obviously they're going to do the bulk
Speaker 2: of the work. It seems to me. I can't understand
Speaker 2: why Sata didn't bowl Moore spin and if bowling Darryl
Speaker 2: Mitchell in the nineteenth over in our two games is
Speaker 2: a plan, a plan before you go there cut it out.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, I'm interested to see if our batsman
Speaker 2: can stay to play a bit better and a bit
Speaker 2: more sensibly play, more sensible shots, get into the game.
Speaker 2: Chaffein Rutherford went in in the power play. He was
Speaker 2: in in the power play against New Zealand and he
Speaker 2: batted all the rest of the overs. That's what sort
Speaker 2: of thing we want to see.
Speaker 3: And we can see it at two thirty in the
Speaker 3: morning when they play the game against Papua New Guinea.
Speaker 3: Uganda's are all right, but I think against Papooh New Guinea,
Speaker 3: we're at two thirty in the morning. You'll be up watching,
Speaker 3: won't you.
Speaker 2: Oh, Wally, you'll be up.
Speaker 4: Ohill be certainly there. I'll stay right through the night.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited about the fact that Papua New Guinea
Speaker 4: are going to be our next to opponents. And also
Speaker 4: shouldn't they have heard some of the conversation we just
Speaker 4: had in the last twenty minutes. Perhaps they'll turn things around.
Speaker 3: Excellent stuff. Thanks guys, look forward to talking to you
Speaker 3: again and have you back on the front pot Cheers.
Speaker 2: Hi, cheers, yeah, cheers well.
Speaker 4: Summer oh.
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