1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sad B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:20,813 --> 00:00:23,573 Speaker 2: Take another pat Now it's hetrick. 4 00:00:24,133 --> 00:00:24,733 Speaker 1: It is out. 5 00:00:25,013 --> 00:00:25,853 Speaker 3: The test is over. 6 00:00:28,093 --> 00:00:30,333 Speaker 2: Goodness smoke, Oh wows a beauty. 7 00:00:30,373 --> 00:00:33,533 Speaker 3: It is out and hearing guys, this delivery has in 8 00:00:33,813 --> 00:00:34,293 Speaker 3: the users. 9 00:00:34,333 --> 00:00:35,053 Speaker 2: Be Bold. 10 00:00:37,213 --> 00:00:40,613 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 11 00:00:40,893 --> 00:00:44,813 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeartRadio. 12 00:00:46,853 --> 00:00:49,893 Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to on the front Board. An early flight 13 00:00:49,973 --> 00:00:53,053 Speaker 3: home for the black def the outcome no cricket team 14 00:00:53,093 --> 00:00:55,893 Speaker 3: benches from Toilnament place. But after a first up loss 15 00:00:55,933 --> 00:00:59,653 Speaker 3: to Afghanistan where busy at home was going to be cupped, yep, 16 00:00:59,813 --> 00:01:03,013 Speaker 3: the chances were there. They bogged upperly for eighteen OBErs 17 00:01:03,613 --> 00:01:07,813 Speaker 3: and one man, Chapaine Rutherford, changed the innings momentum there 18 00:01:07,853 --> 00:01:11,573 Speaker 3: He's saved off the last two overs, fifty eight off 19 00:01:11,613 --> 00:01:14,213 Speaker 3: the last five and the black Caps didn't have a 20 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:19,453 Speaker 3: background prep to reach the target. Well, it's out for 21 00:01:20,053 --> 00:01:24,253 Speaker 3: the black Caps. Where to from here? Joining me and 22 00:01:24,373 --> 00:01:28,533 Speaker 3: Jerious one New Zealand coach Warren Lees. And while there 23 00:01:28,533 --> 00:01:32,813 Speaker 3: are two pretty disastrous results of an international tournament of it. 24 00:01:32,813 --> 00:01:34,373 Speaker 4: It's a dreadful, dreadful thought. 25 00:01:34,453 --> 00:01:34,773 Speaker 2: Really. 26 00:01:35,533 --> 00:01:38,053 Speaker 4: The build up to go to this World Cup, in 27 00:01:38,093 --> 00:01:42,493 Speaker 4: particular because it's where it's being played, was huge, really, 28 00:01:42,573 --> 00:01:45,693 Speaker 4: with the expectation of the cricketing public in New Zealand 29 00:01:45,813 --> 00:01:49,293 Speaker 4: was you know, we're looking for something to look at. 30 00:01:48,813 --> 00:01:51,733 Speaker 4: We want to see our black Caps playing, we want 31 00:01:51,733 --> 00:01:55,573 Speaker 4: to see them playing well. And already the early departure 32 00:01:55,613 --> 00:02:00,013 Speaker 4: from the tournament is disastrous really, and I'm sure the 33 00:02:00,093 --> 00:02:03,533 Speaker 4: dressing room won't be a happy one. The faces will 34 00:02:03,533 --> 00:02:06,493 Speaker 4: be long, will be drawn, and they'll be worried looks 35 00:02:06,613 --> 00:02:07,853 Speaker 4: all around. I should imagine. 36 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:11,653 Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be chance to regain some pride. I suppose 37 00:02:11,693 --> 00:02:14,293 Speaker 3: in the remaining two games. Jeremy, we've talked about these 38 00:02:15,133 --> 00:02:19,293 Speaker 3: two games so far. I guess we don't mind and 39 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:24,733 Speaker 3: probably can accept not making the Super eighth situation. But 40 00:02:25,053 --> 00:02:27,133 Speaker 3: to be a bit more competitive would have made it 41 00:02:27,413 --> 00:02:32,373 Speaker 3: at least something that we could basically accept to some degree, 42 00:02:32,493 --> 00:02:34,653 Speaker 3: wasn't it. They just didn't seem prepared. 43 00:02:35,373 --> 00:02:37,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems as though the whole tournament was. They 44 00:02:37,573 --> 00:02:40,173 Speaker 2: haven't had easy pictures any you know, there haven't been 45 00:02:40,173 --> 00:02:43,453 Speaker 2: big scores, have there? Right throughout the whole tournament really, 46 00:02:44,333 --> 00:02:47,933 Speaker 2: but certainly you know, going to Providence and New Zealand 47 00:02:47,933 --> 00:02:51,133 Speaker 2: had a tricky draw, you know, playing the two toughest 48 00:02:51,133 --> 00:02:56,813 Speaker 2: opponents first on surfaces that didn't suit them really, and 49 00:02:56,893 --> 00:03:00,693 Speaker 2: then before they play the two weaker sides. Therefore, it 50 00:03:00,893 --> 00:03:04,213 Speaker 2: just makes sense you had to be readies from the 51 00:03:04,213 --> 00:03:07,813 Speaker 2: first ball of the tournament. For them, it just seemed 52 00:03:07,813 --> 00:03:11,053 Speaker 2: to me they weren't. And you know, they had to 53 00:03:11,373 --> 00:03:14,773 Speaker 2: really win that Afghan game to push on in the 54 00:03:14,813 --> 00:03:18,813 Speaker 2: tournament and proceed. But you know, we know that they 55 00:03:18,853 --> 00:03:23,493 Speaker 2: didn't start well, and so yeah, that's where we are, 56 00:03:23,533 --> 00:03:27,813 Speaker 2: and we could have won yesterday. But look, classic example, 57 00:03:27,813 --> 00:03:31,133 Speaker 2: if you've already mentioned one man making the difference, yeah, 58 00:03:31,173 --> 00:03:34,173 Speaker 2: you might question perhaps the New Zealand tactics as well. 59 00:03:34,213 --> 00:03:34,693 Speaker 2: With the ball. 60 00:03:34,973 --> 00:03:38,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because for the first eighteen overs the 61 00:03:38,133 --> 00:03:42,173 Speaker 3: Steamers did a good job no spin until lake will 62 00:03:42,173 --> 00:03:46,373 Speaker 3: Phillip's Boldenova. But Stanner got the hospital pass didn't the 63 00:03:46,533 --> 00:03:50,013 Speaker 3: last over, and anything can happen in that situation. But 64 00:03:50,053 --> 00:03:52,973 Speaker 3: one hundred and twelve to nine, you should be able 65 00:03:53,053 --> 00:03:55,013 Speaker 3: to control the game from there. Surely, why are you 66 00:03:55,093 --> 00:03:56,173 Speaker 3: be expecting that, wouldn't you? 67 00:03:56,493 --> 00:03:59,653 Speaker 4: Well, I should imagine that the look on the faces 68 00:03:59,693 --> 00:04:03,053 Speaker 4: of the players would show it all. They were shocked 69 00:04:03,613 --> 00:04:05,893 Speaker 4: in the last three or four overs. They were living 70 00:04:05,893 --> 00:04:08,293 Speaker 4: in shock, really and desperate just to get off the place. 71 00:04:09,333 --> 00:04:13,453 Speaker 4: I can't fathom any other reason, any reason all for 72 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:17,493 Speaker 4: Satna to be to be left so long. It was 73 00:04:17,853 --> 00:04:20,333 Speaker 4: sort of like throwing him some kind of hand grenade 74 00:04:20,373 --> 00:04:23,413 Speaker 4: at the end. Really, And to have a player like 75 00:04:23,533 --> 00:04:26,973 Speaker 4: Rutherford who was so much in control at that stage 76 00:04:27,533 --> 00:04:31,853 Speaker 4: and he had his emotional state was fired up, wasn't it. 77 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:35,053 Speaker 4: You could see that it was just going downhill the 78 00:04:35,053 --> 00:04:39,373 Speaker 4: whole time. That the New Zealand team didn't plan or 79 00:04:39,453 --> 00:04:43,413 Speaker 4: change plans perhaps halfway through that innings, and we lost 80 00:04:43,573 --> 00:04:46,733 Speaker 4: a wee bit of control and lost our composure, and 81 00:04:46,773 --> 00:04:48,813 Speaker 4: really that that cost us that that whole game. 82 00:04:48,893 --> 00:04:52,213 Speaker 3: Really good center of bolt earlier Jerry, because he is 83 00:04:52,253 --> 00:04:56,493 Speaker 3: our best spinner in terms of international player, isn't he Well, 84 00:04:56,533 --> 00:04:56,973 Speaker 3: certainly he. 85 00:04:56,973 --> 00:04:59,773 Speaker 2: Could have bowled earlier by leaving him till that late 86 00:04:59,853 --> 00:05:02,573 Speaker 2: the twentieth over. If someone points out, I mean, everybody 87 00:05:02,693 --> 00:05:06,373 Speaker 2: goes for it, then don't they look what Satner did 88 00:05:06,413 --> 00:05:09,573 Speaker 2: to Shepherd and their last when New Zealand we're batting, 89 00:05:10,093 --> 00:05:15,133 Speaker 2: so you know, you can't leave Santner and not bowl 90 00:05:15,213 --> 00:05:18,013 Speaker 2: him if you're going to select him. He's our best, 91 00:05:18,053 --> 00:05:24,173 Speaker 2: most experienced, organized and equality spinner. He gets left handers out. 92 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,533 Speaker 2: He's got a bowl from the right end, so he's 93 00:05:27,533 --> 00:05:32,613 Speaker 2: got at least one side, usually the leg side that's 94 00:05:32,773 --> 00:05:36,253 Speaker 2: you know, longer. And it was. But I mean he 95 00:05:36,293 --> 00:05:40,293 Speaker 2: bowled the eleventh over and went for nine, gets Hussein out, 96 00:05:40,333 --> 00:05:43,973 Speaker 2: who's a left hander anyway, and now two right handers 97 00:05:43,973 --> 00:05:47,333 Speaker 2: are coming in, Russell and Shephard. You know, I just 98 00:05:47,573 --> 00:05:51,613 Speaker 2: didn't I couldn't follow that. I don't know whether Williamson 99 00:05:51,733 --> 00:05:55,093 Speaker 2: was scared off because Phillips went for something like eleven 100 00:05:55,173 --> 00:05:58,773 Speaker 2: or twelve of his over, who was bold before Santna 101 00:05:59,333 --> 00:06:04,173 Speaker 2: because the left handers were there. Look, I don't think 102 00:06:04,213 --> 00:06:08,133 Speaker 2: you can spend all your medium and medium fast resources 103 00:06:08,213 --> 00:06:11,413 Speaker 2: up and do it that way. So sometimes it works, 104 00:06:11,613 --> 00:06:14,733 Speaker 2: let's be fair about that. They just needed the last wicket. 105 00:06:15,093 --> 00:06:17,973 Speaker 2: It didn't work, and it really the game move for 106 00:06:18,093 --> 00:06:20,533 Speaker 2: as you say, a winning game one hundred and twelve 107 00:06:20,573 --> 00:06:25,013 Speaker 2: to nine. So suddenly they're over par and the West 108 00:06:25,053 --> 00:06:30,853 Speaker 2: Indies look that they can't believe it and suddenly above par, 109 00:06:31,013 --> 00:06:34,733 Speaker 2: and their mood and the side they're dugout has changed entirely. 110 00:06:35,533 --> 00:06:39,293 Speaker 3: Is our batting confident enough now to chase down those targets? 111 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:41,453 Speaker 3: I mean, normally you would expect to be able to 112 00:06:41,493 --> 00:06:42,813 Speaker 3: chase targets around about one. 113 00:06:42,733 --> 00:06:43,293 Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty. 114 00:06:43,333 --> 00:06:43,493 Speaker 4: I not. 115 00:06:43,493 --> 00:06:47,093 Speaker 3: It's different in the Caribbean because the pitchers are different. 116 00:06:47,093 --> 00:06:52,533 Speaker 3: They're slower and lower and changeable. But the batting needs 117 00:06:52,573 --> 00:06:55,813 Speaker 3: to be a lot more consistent. They've got to settle 118 00:06:55,853 --> 00:07:00,453 Speaker 3: on the top five batsmen rather than changing them around Wally, 119 00:07:00,493 --> 00:07:00,853 Speaker 3: don't they. 120 00:07:01,813 --> 00:07:03,973 Speaker 4: I don't think they've got any idea who their top 121 00:07:04,013 --> 00:07:06,973 Speaker 4: five batsmen are. I think we can go back to 122 00:07:07,013 --> 00:07:09,493 Speaker 4: the lack of preparation before the tournament, or the fact 123 00:07:09,493 --> 00:07:12,093 Speaker 4: that we've lost those two games, the fact that the 124 00:07:12,093 --> 00:07:15,293 Speaker 4: pictures aren't, you know what, conducive to to what we're 125 00:07:15,413 --> 00:07:17,253 Speaker 4: used to and some of the cricket we play. But 126 00:07:17,893 --> 00:07:20,773 Speaker 4: I really don't think they've got a settled team at all. 127 00:07:21,533 --> 00:07:25,013 Speaker 4: And I think they're actually searching for for the Rutherford 128 00:07:25,533 --> 00:07:29,373 Speaker 4: in our team, I mean the western Denver Utherford. I 129 00:07:29,373 --> 00:07:32,613 Speaker 4: think we're looking for someone to be our savior. And 130 00:07:32,653 --> 00:07:34,893 Speaker 4: I know when Phillips went out to Bed. I thought, well, well, 131 00:07:34,893 --> 00:07:38,093 Speaker 4: perhaps this is his day or the niche and type innings. 132 00:07:38,653 --> 00:07:41,253 Speaker 4: But you can't go on into these World Cup things 133 00:07:41,853 --> 00:07:44,973 Speaker 4: without being reasonably settled about your top your top team. 134 00:07:45,333 --> 00:07:47,973 Speaker 4: You can change the way you plan things and that 135 00:07:48,013 --> 00:07:50,333 Speaker 4: may that may change, and you may need two spinners 136 00:07:50,413 --> 00:07:52,933 Speaker 4: or you may you may change your actual plan over 137 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:56,933 Speaker 4: the whole game. But now I'm just disappointed that we're 138 00:07:56,973 --> 00:07:59,933 Speaker 4: just searching. We're living in hope and as the next 139 00:07:59,933 --> 00:08:02,213 Speaker 4: player comes out, we hope that it's going to be 140 00:08:02,213 --> 00:08:06,813 Speaker 4: his day, whereas we should be looking back and saying, yeah, 141 00:08:07,293 --> 00:08:10,653 Speaker 4: Williamson's getting back into neck and he's playing normal cricket shots, 142 00:08:10,853 --> 00:08:13,373 Speaker 4: and he's hitting the ball straight and he's not trying 143 00:08:13,373 --> 00:08:15,413 Speaker 4: to run the ball into first slip's hands all the 144 00:08:15,453 --> 00:08:19,093 Speaker 4: time on a pitch that's very variable. So those things 145 00:08:19,573 --> 00:08:22,813 Speaker 4: I just wonder where where they're all on the same 146 00:08:22,853 --> 00:08:25,253 Speaker 4: wavelengths when they talk about the plans for the game. 147 00:08:26,213 --> 00:08:29,213 Speaker 2: Wadd's you know, look, look a lot of our players 148 00:08:29,333 --> 00:08:32,573 Speaker 2: just look out of touch, don't they. I mean they 149 00:08:33,053 --> 00:08:38,253 Speaker 2: Conway has had no innings, no cricket. His keeping was 150 00:08:38,253 --> 00:08:42,533 Speaker 2: a bit tidier and the second second match, but you 151 00:08:42,573 --> 00:08:45,773 Speaker 2: know not his batting, they're not. It was a tricky pitch. 152 00:08:45,813 --> 00:08:50,933 Speaker 2: It was more down than up, I thought. But Williamson uncharacteristic, 153 00:08:51,853 --> 00:08:57,133 Speaker 2: really falling away, you know, trying to give himself a 154 00:08:57,173 --> 00:09:01,173 Speaker 2: bit of room to play the shot yesterday, and we 155 00:09:01,253 --> 00:09:04,973 Speaker 2: really need him to be I mean, the West Indies 156 00:09:05,013 --> 00:09:08,773 Speaker 2: at ten sixes and eight fours, right and you steal 157 00:09:08,853 --> 00:09:11,613 Speaker 2: and got eight sixes and seven fours. We're only sixteen 158 00:09:11,733 --> 00:09:15,413 Speaker 2: runs behind them. A player like Williamson and Ravendra and that, 159 00:09:15,573 --> 00:09:18,453 Speaker 2: who are more timers of the ball, they should knock 160 00:09:18,453 --> 00:09:20,533 Speaker 2: the ball around if they can. Well they found they 161 00:09:20,573 --> 00:09:24,733 Speaker 2: couldn't yesterday because they were out too quickly. We needed 162 00:09:24,773 --> 00:09:27,213 Speaker 2: someone to be able to be the glue and between 163 00:09:27,253 --> 00:09:30,253 Speaker 2: the Phillips that while he's talking about and the Misham 164 00:09:30,613 --> 00:09:33,853 Speaker 2: that while he's talking about. Around those players, if you 165 00:09:33,893 --> 00:09:37,573 Speaker 2: get singles and twos, you know we are better than 166 00:09:37,573 --> 00:09:40,213 Speaker 2: the West Indies at that. They are block sloggers. They 167 00:09:40,333 --> 00:09:43,813 Speaker 2: block the ball or they hit big and we got 168 00:09:43,813 --> 00:09:47,213 Speaker 2: done by the bigging guy at the end yesterday. So 169 00:09:48,053 --> 00:09:51,333 Speaker 2: you know, I thought our batting, you know, we just 170 00:09:51,453 --> 00:09:54,453 Speaker 2: lacked play. And you both of you guys have been 171 00:09:54,493 --> 00:09:59,293 Speaker 2: to the West Indies. You cannot rely on practice pictures 172 00:10:00,093 --> 00:10:03,093 Speaker 2: over there to be good enough to sustain and get 173 00:10:03,173 --> 00:10:07,573 Speaker 2: yourself into good nick They're awful practice pitchers generally in 174 00:10:07,653 --> 00:10:11,053 Speaker 2: the West Indies, and so they were left high and dry. 175 00:10:11,133 --> 00:10:15,413 Speaker 2: It's not as if they didn't know this beforehand. Something 176 00:10:15,493 --> 00:10:18,573 Speaker 2: should have been done. They've known this for months leading 177 00:10:18,613 --> 00:10:22,253 Speaker 2: into this tournament. They allowed guys to go to the 178 00:10:22,293 --> 00:10:26,613 Speaker 2: IPI and collect their cash. That's fine, then they send 179 00:10:26,653 --> 00:10:29,693 Speaker 2: them home for a few days with the families. Now, 180 00:10:29,733 --> 00:10:32,093 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that this is a tricky one, isn't 181 00:10:32,133 --> 00:10:35,973 Speaker 2: it when you start talking about that. But maybe they 182 00:10:36,053 --> 00:10:40,173 Speaker 2: needed something then. I don't know, but surely when the 183 00:10:40,213 --> 00:10:44,333 Speaker 2: review comes out, maybe they could have done some things differently. 184 00:10:44,373 --> 00:10:46,293 Speaker 2: I think that's going to come out of it. Surely. 185 00:10:47,653 --> 00:10:52,253 Speaker 3: Yes, I smell a review very much because it needs 186 00:10:52,293 --> 00:10:54,773 Speaker 3: to be done and they've got to talk about things 187 00:10:54,973 --> 00:10:58,293 Speaker 3: like do we need separate coaches. That was a question 188 00:10:58,373 --> 00:11:01,453 Speaker 3: that was posed to me recently, separate coaches for the 189 00:11:01,493 --> 00:11:03,613 Speaker 3: short form and the test match. We don't play a 190 00:11:03,653 --> 00:11:06,653 Speaker 3: lot of best match cricket now, so why not have 191 00:11:07,133 --> 00:11:11,093 Speaker 3: separate coaches? Coach Wally does that what the game needs? Now? 192 00:11:12,173 --> 00:11:15,693 Speaker 4: Well? There will come a time where when Gary Stead 193 00:11:15,733 --> 00:11:21,333 Speaker 4: has had enough or where he needs a refresher. And 194 00:11:21,373 --> 00:11:24,533 Speaker 4: I'm sure with the assistant coaches and the different people 195 00:11:24,573 --> 00:11:26,853 Speaker 4: they use these days, there are a lot of ideas. 196 00:11:27,133 --> 00:11:30,933 Speaker 4: I wonder sometimes and stale is not a very good 197 00:11:30,973 --> 00:11:34,573 Speaker 4: word to use, but the relationship between coach and captain 198 00:11:34,653 --> 00:11:38,573 Speaker 4: sometimes varies a little bit, and I think perhaps with 199 00:11:38,653 --> 00:11:42,573 Speaker 4: kin Williamson being out of touch not playing a lot 200 00:11:42,573 --> 00:11:46,853 Speaker 4: of crickets, you wonder about the team meetings, of the 201 00:11:46,933 --> 00:11:51,213 Speaker 4: hierarchy of the side, and you really do need sometimes 202 00:11:51,613 --> 00:11:53,293 Speaker 4: someone to be able to say I'm going to take 203 00:11:53,973 --> 00:11:55,893 Speaker 4: not the innings by the scruff of the neck. I 204 00:11:55,893 --> 00:11:57,853 Speaker 4: don't mean go out there and bash it around, but 205 00:11:58,373 --> 00:12:02,693 Speaker 4: I mean someone has to take some responsibility. Mitchell was 206 00:12:02,733 --> 00:12:05,653 Speaker 4: that sort of player two years ago, very very much so. 207 00:12:06,573 --> 00:12:10,693 Speaker 4: He was reliable, he would dig in, he would fight, 208 00:12:10,813 --> 00:12:12,573 Speaker 4: you could see it in his face when he batted. 209 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:16,493 Speaker 4: And yet now he's more like the rest of the 210 00:12:16,533 --> 00:12:19,573 Speaker 4: players are taking it ball by ball, as if there's 211 00:12:19,613 --> 00:12:23,853 Speaker 4: no real thought about the pitch we're playing on, the bowlers, 212 00:12:24,373 --> 00:12:28,573 Speaker 4: the field placings, all those things. You can sometimes tell 213 00:12:28,773 --> 00:12:30,653 Speaker 4: when you look at the players and you think and 214 00:12:30,773 --> 00:12:35,253 Speaker 4: a really one hundred percent into into a programmed plan, 215 00:12:36,253 --> 00:12:38,853 Speaker 4: and I just think we're missing out on it. We're 216 00:12:38,893 --> 00:12:40,933 Speaker 4: all going to come up with the same excuse that 217 00:12:41,053 --> 00:12:44,093 Speaker 4: all the pictures were no good and we didn't get 218 00:12:44,093 --> 00:12:46,693 Speaker 4: the practice. It's the same for everyone. No one at 219 00:12:46,693 --> 00:12:50,093 Speaker 4: the World Cup is picking on the black Caps. No 220 00:12:50,173 --> 00:12:53,053 Speaker 4: one in the organization has picked on the black Caps 221 00:12:53,133 --> 00:12:56,413 Speaker 4: to make it difficult. It's the same for every team, 222 00:12:56,773 --> 00:12:59,453 Speaker 4: and therefore we have to toughen up and go back 223 00:12:59,493 --> 00:13:00,453 Speaker 4: to some of the basics. 224 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:04,333 Speaker 3: The thing is that both you and Wally, say, Jerry, 225 00:13:04,813 --> 00:13:07,693 Speaker 3: are things that need to be a part of a review. 226 00:13:08,653 --> 00:13:13,053 Speaker 3: In this World Cup, we've seen England improve their run 227 00:13:13,133 --> 00:13:17,333 Speaker 3: rate by bowling Oman out for forty seven and chasing 228 00:13:17,333 --> 00:13:21,253 Speaker 3: them down in three point one over. It's the face 229 00:13:21,533 --> 00:13:27,333 Speaker 3: of T twenty crickets changing in this kind of environment 230 00:13:27,373 --> 00:13:31,933 Speaker 3: where runs and big hitting are overtaken by slow pitchers 231 00:13:32,413 --> 00:13:37,493 Speaker 3: and spin bowlers dominating and the games being evened up. 232 00:13:37,533 --> 00:13:41,013 Speaker 3: Do you see any correlation between that and the way 233 00:13:41,053 --> 00:13:43,893 Speaker 3: the game's playing? And Jerry say, you put that up 234 00:13:43,933 --> 00:13:49,093 Speaker 3: against ipl because there's been no big scoring in this 235 00:13:49,173 --> 00:13:50,573 Speaker 3: World Cup? Really has there? 236 00:13:50,973 --> 00:13:54,533 Speaker 2: No? It just underlines the fact, the conditions and the 237 00:13:54,573 --> 00:13:59,413 Speaker 2: size of grounds particularly make all the difference. And these 238 00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:04,013 Speaker 2: surfaces batsmen, you know, batsmen worth thriving at the IPL, 239 00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:07,133 Speaker 2: weren't they with scores pretty near to sort of too 240 00:14:07,173 --> 00:14:12,573 Speaker 2: eighty and things like that was becoming relatively regular here. However, 241 00:14:13,093 --> 00:14:15,893 Speaker 2: you know on pictures that are not as easy, are 242 00:14:16,013 --> 00:14:17,973 Speaker 2: up and down a bit, are turning a bit, are 243 00:14:18,013 --> 00:14:23,533 Speaker 2: holding a bit, are drying up and drying out. So yeah, 244 00:14:23,613 --> 00:14:27,653 Speaker 2: I think batsmen have to react. Isn't that the whole game? 245 00:14:27,693 --> 00:14:31,333 Speaker 2: Doesn't Williamson keep saying that all the time. Isn't his 246 00:14:31,773 --> 00:14:37,133 Speaker 2: most favorite word. Adapt So you know New Zealand aren't adapting. 247 00:14:39,493 --> 00:14:43,333 Speaker 2: They are just being beaten at the moment. So look, 248 00:14:43,533 --> 00:14:47,533 Speaker 2: yes a review has to happen. And New Zealand now 249 00:14:47,533 --> 00:14:50,613 Speaker 2: I've got maybe have they got two tricky games coming up? 250 00:14:51,493 --> 00:14:54,533 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, if the pictures the same, 251 00:14:54,733 --> 00:14:56,973 Speaker 2: surely they'll have to lower their sights a bit, won't 252 00:14:57,013 --> 00:15:01,533 Speaker 2: they to what's a reasonable score to get on that surface? 253 00:15:02,093 --> 00:15:04,373 Speaker 2: And have to work out how they're going to get there. 254 00:15:04,933 --> 00:15:08,533 Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, I don't think it's a 255 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:09,893 Speaker 2: given thing any longer. 256 00:15:10,213 --> 00:15:14,213 Speaker 4: I think short the shortest version of the game and 257 00:15:14,253 --> 00:15:16,133 Speaker 4: we could get down to a super over is the 258 00:15:16,173 --> 00:15:19,253 Speaker 4: shortest version of the way we end up some of 259 00:15:19,253 --> 00:15:22,653 Speaker 4: these games. Makes it more of a lottery. And therefore, 260 00:15:22,813 --> 00:15:26,453 Speaker 4: when you think back, the best team normally wins a 261 00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:31,173 Speaker 4: test series and the stronger team normally wins a fifty 262 00:15:31,173 --> 00:15:35,093 Speaker 4: over competition, and we get down to T twenty and 263 00:15:35,133 --> 00:15:38,853 Speaker 4: it means that some of the teams that possibly aren't 264 00:15:38,853 --> 00:15:42,853 Speaker 4: the strongest can come through because you're given the opportunity 265 00:15:42,893 --> 00:15:45,293 Speaker 4: to one player as in rather Fit in the West 266 00:15:45,293 --> 00:15:49,613 Speaker 4: Indies taking the game away. And it is possible that 267 00:15:49,693 --> 00:15:55,013 Speaker 4: some of the lesser teams, lesser experience, lesser in success, 268 00:15:56,013 --> 00:15:57,933 Speaker 4: can come through and win some of these games. And 269 00:15:57,933 --> 00:16:01,093 Speaker 4: we accept that be very careful of is that we 270 00:16:01,413 --> 00:16:03,813 Speaker 4: can all the players can fall into the trap of 271 00:16:03,893 --> 00:16:06,773 Speaker 4: saying it doesn't matter if I get out, someone else 272 00:16:06,813 --> 00:16:09,573 Speaker 4: will come along. Because we've just seen in the last 273 00:16:09,573 --> 00:16:13,733 Speaker 4: two games it hasn't happened. And we can't allow ourselves 274 00:16:13,813 --> 00:16:16,093 Speaker 4: to keep losing these wickets in the in the in 275 00:16:16,133 --> 00:16:19,133 Speaker 4: the first ten overs, because as what happened with the 276 00:16:19,173 --> 00:16:22,173 Speaker 4: West Indies, they had a hitter in the last four 277 00:16:22,293 --> 00:16:25,253 Speaker 4: overs and we didn't have We had people who could hit, 278 00:16:25,733 --> 00:16:27,493 Speaker 4: but they weren't. You were never going to call them 279 00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:30,373 Speaker 4: people who could win the game with the bats. And 280 00:16:30,573 --> 00:16:33,133 Speaker 4: we've just kind of, as I said before, we've really 281 00:16:33,173 --> 00:16:35,053 Speaker 4: got to tough en up and go back to a 282 00:16:35,093 --> 00:16:37,733 Speaker 4: few basics of the game, and we work out that 283 00:16:38,293 --> 00:16:41,693 Speaker 4: the best batsmen score the most runs in the last 284 00:16:41,693 --> 00:16:44,333 Speaker 4: five overs of a T twenty game. And if you've 285 00:16:44,333 --> 00:16:47,253 Speaker 4: got batters there who can go out and actually play 286 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:50,893 Speaker 4: the normal game, it means that your plan it can 287 00:16:50,933 --> 00:16:54,413 Speaker 4: be a lot stronger. We just lose our way, and 288 00:16:54,853 --> 00:16:58,653 Speaker 4: there's no strong You couldn't name a really strong player 289 00:16:58,973 --> 00:17:02,253 Speaker 4: right now in the Black Caps and say he will 290 00:17:02,293 --> 00:17:04,773 Speaker 4: be reliable and he won't let us that we could not. 291 00:17:05,373 --> 00:17:06,853 Speaker 4: And I know they haven't played a lot of cricket, 292 00:17:07,493 --> 00:17:12,973 Speaker 4: but the the body language, the facial expression, the way 293 00:17:13,013 --> 00:17:16,893 Speaker 4: they go about talking to the other batsman in between 294 00:17:16,933 --> 00:17:20,853 Speaker 4: overs is you can It demonstrates a sort of a 295 00:17:21,013 --> 00:17:24,253 Speaker 4: questionable sort of air that I think we just need, 296 00:17:24,293 --> 00:17:26,253 Speaker 4: as I say, we just need someone to take the 297 00:17:26,293 --> 00:17:27,453 Speaker 4: game by the scruff of the neck. 298 00:17:27,853 --> 00:17:30,973 Speaker 3: The top teams have their side set or basically don't 299 00:17:30,973 --> 00:17:35,093 Speaker 3: think they have an eleven. Basically Australia even England, and 300 00:17:35,133 --> 00:17:38,293 Speaker 3: they make adjustments according to the pitch. One of the 301 00:17:38,453 --> 00:17:40,733 Speaker 3: spare parts might come in if they need an extra 302 00:17:40,773 --> 00:17:44,613 Speaker 3: past bowler or another spinner. We don't seem to have that. 303 00:17:44,613 --> 00:17:47,213 Speaker 3: Our side is too changeable, Jerry. 304 00:17:47,413 --> 00:17:50,853 Speaker 2: Well, three changes was quite a lot. And it's more 305 00:17:50,853 --> 00:17:53,133 Speaker 2: than a quarter is it a quarter of the side, 306 00:17:53,653 --> 00:17:58,773 Speaker 2: So yeah, it is quite especially after only one game. 307 00:17:59,693 --> 00:18:03,813 Speaker 2: It is a changeable kind of side. They're not quite sure, 308 00:18:04,213 --> 00:18:08,853 Speaker 2: and they haven't played enough to sort of develop that. 309 00:18:08,853 --> 00:18:10,893 Speaker 2: That's not an excuse, so I'm not trying to make 310 00:18:10,933 --> 00:18:13,733 Speaker 2: an excuse for them. They should have played a bit 311 00:18:13,773 --> 00:18:17,773 Speaker 2: more somehow and and done something or you know, to 312 00:18:17,813 --> 00:18:23,053 Speaker 2: do nothing was pretty weak, I think, and it's been 313 00:18:23,133 --> 00:18:26,293 Speaker 2: costly for the New Zealanders. They'll be disappointed, of course 314 00:18:26,333 --> 00:18:28,973 Speaker 2: they will. But while he's kind of right in the 315 00:18:29,013 --> 00:18:32,453 Speaker 2: way we say going back and everyone sort of sort 316 00:18:32,453 --> 00:18:36,933 Speaker 2: of inwardly groans awe. But when you when you say that, 317 00:18:38,133 --> 00:18:42,213 Speaker 2: where is their toughness? Come on, boys, get some steel 318 00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:45,173 Speaker 2: in you. Well, it's kind of it is a wee bit. 319 00:18:45,453 --> 00:18:47,813 Speaker 2: It's all a bit of froth and not much sort 320 00:18:47,813 --> 00:18:50,773 Speaker 2: of stuff under theerneath to hold it all up. And 321 00:18:51,773 --> 00:18:53,413 Speaker 2: it does look a bit like that too. 322 00:18:54,773 --> 00:18:58,133 Speaker 3: I lost by thirteen runs. The post match presser is 323 00:18:58,213 --> 00:19:02,973 Speaker 3: never enjoyable, and Kane Williamson, I'm sure has faced many 324 00:19:03,613 --> 00:19:06,533 Speaker 3: issues where he's had to try and explain. One of 325 00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:09,493 Speaker 3: them from the game against the Western was the work 326 00:19:09,493 --> 00:19:11,853 Speaker 3: of his seemers in the first eighty eight overs they 327 00:19:11,853 --> 00:19:13,733 Speaker 3: had them one hundred and twelve for nine. 328 00:19:13,933 --> 00:19:15,733 Speaker 5: You sort of told us the numbers the area, which 329 00:19:15,813 --> 00:19:19,253 Speaker 5: probably suggested that our seamers were doing a good job, 330 00:19:19,293 --> 00:19:20,413 Speaker 5: and I thought they were. 331 00:19:20,853 --> 00:19:22,333 Speaker 6: They did do a fantastic job. 332 00:19:23,653 --> 00:19:27,533 Speaker 5: The margins in the match are fine, you know, and 333 00:19:27,853 --> 00:19:31,373 Speaker 5: conditions like that two or three balls that when the 334 00:19:31,453 --> 00:19:33,773 Speaker 5: matchup suits can be the difference. 335 00:19:33,773 --> 00:19:36,333 Speaker 6: And we saw a fantastic knock from. 336 00:19:36,213 --> 00:19:40,373 Speaker 5: Rutherford and he certainly timed it beautifully and got his 337 00:19:40,453 --> 00:19:42,173 Speaker 5: matchup and I think at the end of the day 338 00:19:42,213 --> 00:19:43,413 Speaker 5: that was that was the difference. 339 00:19:43,893 --> 00:19:46,453 Speaker 3: The two games to play for some pride after missing 340 00:19:46,453 --> 00:19:49,733 Speaker 3: the Super h Will it be the end of some careers? 341 00:19:50,213 --> 00:19:53,973 Speaker 5: No, I think there's still guys that we'll be here 342 00:19:54,053 --> 00:19:57,333 Speaker 5: for some time. I think if we look at, you know, 343 00:19:57,733 --> 00:20:00,733 Speaker 5: the two matches to start off, no doubt they've being disappointing. 344 00:20:00,773 --> 00:20:03,373 Speaker 6: You come to a world event, you want. 345 00:20:03,173 --> 00:20:07,133 Speaker 5: To start well and you know, to be honest, we 346 00:20:08,573 --> 00:20:12,133 Speaker 5: we needed to have been better in these conditions specifically, 347 00:20:12,173 --> 00:20:15,453 Speaker 5: and we know that it's going to be a real 348 00:20:15,493 --> 00:20:17,853 Speaker 5: scrap and it's not going to be easy. But if 349 00:20:17,853 --> 00:20:21,533 Speaker 5: you win some small moments matchups go your way, then 350 00:20:21,813 --> 00:20:26,413 Speaker 5: that can be a defining element to your whole tournament. 351 00:20:26,453 --> 00:20:26,893 Speaker 6: Really, and. 352 00:20:28,773 --> 00:20:31,813 Speaker 5: It hasn't happened for us, which is frustrating, but no doubt, 353 00:20:32,973 --> 00:20:37,973 Speaker 5: you know, after tournaments like this you revisit what it 354 00:20:38,013 --> 00:20:39,333 Speaker 5: is that you do and how you do it in 355 00:20:39,373 --> 00:20:42,493 Speaker 5: the conditions that you've experienced, and look at ways to 356 00:20:42,493 --> 00:20:42,893 Speaker 5: get better. 357 00:20:43,173 --> 00:20:46,013 Speaker 3: There certainly room to do that, but frustrating for you 358 00:20:46,133 --> 00:20:48,773 Speaker 3: having put them in, they weren't able to push through 359 00:20:48,813 --> 00:20:50,373 Speaker 3: for the full twenty overs. 360 00:20:51,293 --> 00:20:53,253 Speaker 6: From ninety for seven. 361 00:20:53,813 --> 00:20:57,093 Speaker 5: Whatever the West Indies were to get to one point 362 00:20:57,093 --> 00:21:02,973 Speaker 5: fifty was a fantastic effort and incredibly smart and calculated 363 00:21:03,013 --> 00:21:07,733 Speaker 5: batting from Rutherford to put a contribution like that up 364 00:21:07,813 --> 00:21:12,813 Speaker 5: on that surface was was world class and really got 365 00:21:12,853 --> 00:21:16,093 Speaker 5: them a strong total on that wicket. Having said that, 366 00:21:17,133 --> 00:21:18,853 Speaker 5: you know, it's it's half a match and we know 367 00:21:18,933 --> 00:21:20,773 Speaker 5: that we need to do some some tough work and 368 00:21:20,813 --> 00:21:23,733 Speaker 5: that second innings and try and get an over to that. 369 00:21:24,973 --> 00:21:26,693 Speaker 5: You know, you can try and break the game open, 370 00:21:26,773 --> 00:21:29,173 Speaker 5: and you know we weren't able to do that. When 371 00:21:29,253 --> 00:21:31,773 Speaker 5: you it would be tough, and I thought the guys 372 00:21:31,813 --> 00:21:34,853 Speaker 5: fought hard. But in the West and these know these 373 00:21:34,933 --> 00:21:38,893 Speaker 5: conditions well and and they're playing good crickets and unfortunately, 374 00:21:38,933 --> 00:21:43,613 Speaker 5: like I said, it wasn't today. Yeah, frustrating absolutely to 375 00:21:44,093 --> 00:21:46,533 Speaker 5: start the way we have. The conditions are the same 376 00:21:46,533 --> 00:21:50,053 Speaker 5: for everybody, so it's trying to learn. We've got a 377 00:21:50,093 --> 00:21:53,653 Speaker 5: game again quite quickly, and so we need to get 378 00:21:54,413 --> 00:21:57,413 Speaker 5: better for the experience. We need to put out improved 379 00:21:57,413 --> 00:21:59,413 Speaker 5: performances and gain that knowledge. 380 00:21:59,453 --> 00:22:02,213 Speaker 6: But like you mentioned, the equations looking tough. 381 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:07,053 Speaker 2: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 382 00:22:07,293 --> 00:22:10,133 Speaker 3: As I mentioned on the front foot last week, the 383 00:22:10,213 --> 00:22:12,093 Speaker 3: White Fans are heading to the United Kingdom for a 384 00:22:12,093 --> 00:22:14,573 Speaker 3: series of games against England. That's going to be pretty 385 00:22:14,613 --> 00:22:18,973 Speaker 3: tough as it is against one of the strongest sides 386 00:22:19,333 --> 00:22:22,533 Speaker 3: in the world. Craig McMillan has been added to the 387 00:22:22,573 --> 00:22:26,213 Speaker 3: coaching set up, former batting coach for the black Caps. 388 00:22:26,333 --> 00:22:29,973 Speaker 3: He's going along with whoever else has been added to 389 00:22:30,173 --> 00:22:34,053 Speaker 3: the women's coaching lineup. Ben Sawyer has a squad that 390 00:22:34,133 --> 00:22:36,733 Speaker 3: he will look after. I've got a letter from somebody, 391 00:22:37,933 --> 00:22:42,293 Speaker 3: a listener, Jay says the White Friend's team to a 392 00:22:42,533 --> 00:22:45,493 Speaker 3: Lauren Down selected after being absent for one year with 393 00:22:45,613 --> 00:22:48,613 Speaker 3: no play, Surely she should have needed some cricket to play, 394 00:22:49,373 --> 00:22:53,813 Speaker 3: even at domestic level. In normal circumstances, a male wouldn't 395 00:22:53,813 --> 00:22:56,293 Speaker 3: step back and immediately into a New Zealand side, although 396 00:22:56,293 --> 00:23:00,093 Speaker 3: if you're a top quality player that would happen. And 397 00:23:00,133 --> 00:23:04,693 Speaker 3: I think Lauren Down is a pretty good domestic player, 398 00:23:04,773 --> 00:23:07,413 Speaker 3: somebody with a good technique. She's taken time off to 399 00:23:07,493 --> 00:23:09,493 Speaker 3: have a baby and now she wants to come back 400 00:23:09,533 --> 00:23:11,213 Speaker 3: and play cricket. I don't know whether you've seen much 401 00:23:11,253 --> 00:23:12,453 Speaker 3: of her play Wally. 402 00:23:13,653 --> 00:23:16,013 Speaker 4: She's a very good player. In fact, she had she 403 00:23:16,013 --> 00:23:20,293 Speaker 4: had fashioned a very very good record, hadn't played enough 404 00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:23,773 Speaker 4: probably for New Zealand, for the White Ferns, and coming 405 00:23:23,813 --> 00:23:26,533 Speaker 4: back into the team. I think there's a yeah. I 406 00:23:26,613 --> 00:23:29,853 Speaker 4: think there's a rebuild. I think the reliance on our 407 00:23:29,933 --> 00:23:33,653 Speaker 4: top three players over the last by four or five 408 00:23:33,733 --> 00:23:36,853 Speaker 4: years is coming back to haunt us a little bit, 409 00:23:37,093 --> 00:23:40,213 Speaker 4: and we're trying to get I think some experience back 410 00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:43,773 Speaker 4: into the team. I think it is a very important tour. 411 00:23:44,213 --> 00:23:49,653 Speaker 4: We've we've certainly slipped down the international ladder. We've disappointed 412 00:23:49,653 --> 00:23:53,413 Speaker 4: on so many occasions after promising so much, and and 413 00:23:54,093 --> 00:23:57,413 Speaker 4: and the interest in women's sport, and in particular in 414 00:23:57,413 --> 00:24:00,893 Speaker 4: women's cricket in this case, has been huge and I 415 00:24:00,893 --> 00:24:03,133 Speaker 4: think it's a very it's a very good thing that 416 00:24:03,173 --> 00:24:05,573 Speaker 4: people are starting to follow the game. I have no 417 00:24:05,733 --> 00:24:10,773 Speaker 4: problem with Lauren down coming back in the selectors, the coaches, 418 00:24:11,133 --> 00:24:14,493 Speaker 4: the senior players would have recommended her inclusion and the team. 419 00:24:14,533 --> 00:24:15,493 Speaker 4: I think it's fine. 420 00:24:15,693 --> 00:24:20,773 Speaker 3: And Craig McMillan coming into the patching set up, I 421 00:24:20,813 --> 00:24:24,613 Speaker 3: believe it's a positive move because he had a job 422 00:24:24,653 --> 00:24:26,453 Speaker 3: with the men's team. One of the comments that j 423 00:24:26,653 --> 00:24:30,533 Speaker 3: mabe was that he been given the job and he 424 00:24:30,653 --> 00:24:34,653 Speaker 3: had no involvement in female crickets. So will struggle, Well, 425 00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:37,893 Speaker 3: you took the women's team, Is it a struggle? 426 00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:39,213 Speaker 4: I would hope not. 427 00:24:39,333 --> 00:24:39,533 Speaker 2: Now. 428 00:24:40,893 --> 00:24:45,133 Speaker 4: I do remember and quite fondly my brief time with 429 00:24:44,773 --> 00:24:48,893 Speaker 4: the White Ferns and going to the World Cup in Bangladesh. 430 00:24:49,013 --> 00:24:51,373 Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I found it a challenge for start off. 431 00:24:51,853 --> 00:24:58,933 Speaker 4: I absolutely loved the enthusiasm and the encouraging signs that 432 00:24:58,973 --> 00:25:03,213 Speaker 4: the girls showed. In my time with both Otaga and 433 00:25:03,253 --> 00:25:08,253 Speaker 4: the White Ferns. I look back on playing and coaching 434 00:25:08,493 --> 00:25:10,813 Speaker 4: men and coaching the women, and I can honestly say 435 00:25:10,853 --> 00:25:14,653 Speaker 4: that possibly some of the most enjoyable days I had 436 00:25:15,213 --> 00:25:18,893 Speaker 4: were with the women's team. They were grateful, they were supportive, 437 00:25:19,413 --> 00:25:22,253 Speaker 4: they gave it one hundred percent. That they had never 438 00:25:22,333 --> 00:25:25,413 Speaker 4: been treated fairly in the past, and I hope they 439 00:25:25,453 --> 00:25:31,373 Speaker 4: are now, and encouragement was something they wanted. It's an 440 00:25:31,373 --> 00:25:33,333 Speaker 4: interesting sort of thing, and to say it this way 441 00:25:33,413 --> 00:25:36,573 Speaker 4: may not sound wonderful, but they just needed a shoulder. 442 00:25:37,133 --> 00:25:39,373 Speaker 4: They needed someone to encourage them, to put an arm 443 00:25:39,413 --> 00:25:41,533 Speaker 4: on their shoulder and say, hey, I support you one 444 00:25:41,573 --> 00:25:44,773 Speaker 4: hundred percent and I'm going to do everything for the 445 00:25:44,813 --> 00:25:46,693 Speaker 4: team I can. And I think that's the way it 446 00:25:46,773 --> 00:25:50,293 Speaker 4: is now. I think Craig mcgonrmal fit perfectly into that role. 447 00:25:51,213 --> 00:25:53,333 Speaker 3: Ever a job coaching the women's team. 448 00:25:53,933 --> 00:25:57,893 Speaker 2: I've never sought anything like that. Wadds, as you know, 449 00:25:58,413 --> 00:26:04,253 Speaker 2: and whether it's males or females, but I yeah, I 450 00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:11,013 Speaker 2: can't see any obvious reason that Craig McMillan can't help 451 00:26:11,093 --> 00:26:15,333 Speaker 2: the women play. I mean, he's had a long period 452 00:26:15,373 --> 00:26:19,933 Speaker 2: of coaching the men, hasn't he And he's also been 453 00:26:19,933 --> 00:26:22,133 Speaker 2: in the media, so it's not as if he hasn't 454 00:26:22,133 --> 00:26:26,733 Speaker 2: been around the women's side. I don't see any reason 455 00:26:26,813 --> 00:26:28,853 Speaker 2: if he's got something to offer it. I think as 456 00:26:28,893 --> 00:26:32,533 Speaker 2: a player as while he's really just said, if you're 457 00:26:32,573 --> 00:26:35,693 Speaker 2: a player, you're wanting to have information that someone can 458 00:26:35,733 --> 00:26:39,173 Speaker 2: give you to improve your game. I think that's the 459 00:26:39,213 --> 00:26:42,853 Speaker 2: basis of any relationship and the concept of a coach. 460 00:26:43,653 --> 00:26:47,053 Speaker 2: So I see no reason why he can't if he 461 00:26:47,133 --> 00:26:50,453 Speaker 2: gets on with the team and they get on with him, 462 00:26:50,613 --> 00:26:52,613 Speaker 2: that this should be any reason he can't help them 463 00:26:52,613 --> 00:26:53,213 Speaker 2: in some way. 464 00:26:54,373 --> 00:26:57,213 Speaker 3: Yep, that'd be one of the interesting things to watch 465 00:26:57,293 --> 00:26:59,813 Speaker 3: because he has got enthusiasm, has and he's got energy. 466 00:27:00,133 --> 00:27:02,773 Speaker 3: We know he gets in and gives heart and soul. 467 00:27:03,133 --> 00:27:06,813 Speaker 3: So he wishing well in trying to redevelop the women's 468 00:27:06,853 --> 00:27:08,813 Speaker 3: game because it needs a lot of work. 469 00:27:08,853 --> 00:27:09,373 Speaker 4: Believe me. 470 00:27:10,013 --> 00:27:13,613 Speaker 3: The other comment we've had Paul has sent us a 471 00:27:13,653 --> 00:27:16,413 Speaker 3: comment on a simple issue. I've got to say I'm 472 00:27:16,653 --> 00:27:19,293 Speaker 3: with him. He said, I love the show. Thanks very much. 473 00:27:19,613 --> 00:27:21,773 Speaker 3: It's nice of you to say a budbear of mine, 474 00:27:21,933 --> 00:27:25,533 Speaker 3: not really Black Caps related, is why is there a 475 00:27:25,573 --> 00:27:28,293 Speaker 3: super over for a tie in a group stage game. 476 00:27:28,773 --> 00:27:31,733 Speaker 3: Surely if it's a draw, it's best if points are shared. 477 00:27:31,773 --> 00:27:35,253 Speaker 3: It's particularly ridiculous that a team could pumel another one 478 00:27:35,253 --> 00:27:37,653 Speaker 3: for say two hundred and fifty runs and twenty overs. 479 00:27:37,893 --> 00:27:39,973 Speaker 3: Then it could rain and both teams would get a 480 00:27:39,973 --> 00:27:43,333 Speaker 3: point and all those things would be shared. I wonder 481 00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:45,933 Speaker 3: why they have a super over. It's all for television, 482 00:27:46,053 --> 00:27:48,533 Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean, a tie or a draw is 483 00:27:48,573 --> 00:27:49,453 Speaker 3: a result, isn't it. 484 00:27:50,533 --> 00:27:55,213 Speaker 4: I would certainly think so. I would. I know when 485 00:27:55,453 --> 00:27:58,173 Speaker 4: the super over was first introduced, and even the players 486 00:27:58,213 --> 00:28:00,533 Speaker 4: didn't really understand at the end of it. At the 487 00:28:00,613 --> 00:28:02,493 Speaker 4: end of a contiues that was going to be a 488 00:28:02,533 --> 00:28:04,973 Speaker 4: super over. What are the rules? You know? The new 489 00:28:05,093 --> 00:28:07,173 Speaker 4: things came into the game, but the super over for 490 00:28:07,173 --> 00:28:10,773 Speaker 4: a start off when it first introduced was very exciting, 491 00:28:11,093 --> 00:28:14,253 Speaker 4: so the people, especially those on the ground who had 492 00:28:14,253 --> 00:28:17,013 Speaker 4: paid to come in, and it was part of the entertainment, 493 00:28:17,333 --> 00:28:20,093 Speaker 4: the overall package of the day. I think it's probably 494 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,773 Speaker 4: lost a wee bit now, And I do agree with 495 00:28:23,413 --> 00:28:25,613 Speaker 4: your sort of sentiments in a way, and that I 496 00:28:25,693 --> 00:28:29,693 Speaker 4: should should two teams slug it out for three or 497 00:28:29,693 --> 00:28:32,853 Speaker 4: four hours or even longer and then have to come 498 00:28:32,893 --> 00:28:36,373 Speaker 4: down and bowl a super over to find out that 499 00:28:36,413 --> 00:28:38,093 Speaker 4: one team was going to get two points and the 500 00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:41,493 Speaker 4: other team no points, having had a draw in the 501 00:28:41,533 --> 00:28:45,333 Speaker 4: actual game itself, or in a no result like a penalty. 502 00:28:46,813 --> 00:28:50,453 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that anymore. It's just like a 503 00:28:50,533 --> 00:28:55,213 Speaker 2: shootout with soccer, isn't it. With football? You go through 504 00:28:55,213 --> 00:28:58,773 Speaker 2: that just it's really in order to find a winner, 505 00:28:59,453 --> 00:29:03,493 Speaker 2: isn't it. And they want to have a winner, and 506 00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:09,053 Speaker 2: that's pretty paramount, particularly in tournaments sometime times when you've 507 00:29:09,053 --> 00:29:11,933 Speaker 2: got to then in order to progress to the next 508 00:29:11,973 --> 00:29:14,973 Speaker 2: sort of phase of a tournament, they want to have 509 00:29:15,053 --> 00:29:18,893 Speaker 2: someone who've got the points. I guess it's also bowing 510 00:29:18,933 --> 00:29:22,533 Speaker 2: to the fan, to the follower, the view of the eyeballs, 511 00:29:22,533 --> 00:29:27,733 Speaker 2: the entertainment of the value of the game. If you like, 512 00:29:27,813 --> 00:29:30,173 Speaker 2: you know, so, we're going to make it even more 513 00:29:30,253 --> 00:29:34,613 Speaker 2: exciting for you. Now, there were some there were some 514 00:29:34,613 --> 00:29:37,133 Speaker 2: some ridiculous things, weren't they. Weren't there bowl offs at 515 00:29:37,133 --> 00:29:38,773 Speaker 2: some stages to see how many times you could hit 516 00:29:38,813 --> 00:29:45,333 Speaker 2: the stumps as exactly. Then we found out the guys 517 00:29:45,373 --> 00:29:49,493 Speaker 2: who couldn't bolster. Yeah, exactly what do you have another one? 518 00:29:49,533 --> 00:29:54,373 Speaker 2: Then it's yeah, it's ridiculous, but yeah, I look, I 519 00:29:54,413 --> 00:29:57,013 Speaker 2: have sympathy for what the what the person who sent 520 00:29:57,053 --> 00:30:00,373 Speaker 2: this in, you know, especially as the games get longer. 521 00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:03,813 Speaker 2: That's what happened to New Zealand, wasn't it in the 522 00:30:03,813 --> 00:30:06,853 Speaker 2: ode eyes? After playing for six weeks, after playing for 523 00:30:06,893 --> 00:30:10,013 Speaker 2: eight and a half hours, very conscious decision that any 524 00:30:10,053 --> 00:30:13,773 Speaker 2: player could make. They couldn't sort the difference. So we 525 00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:14,693 Speaker 2: have a super over. 526 00:30:14,933 --> 00:30:15,013 Speaker 1: No. 527 00:30:16,053 --> 00:30:18,493 Speaker 2: I gave the idea that we could share it. Perhaps 528 00:30:18,733 --> 00:30:21,213 Speaker 2: I was shouted down, No, we must have a winner. 529 00:30:21,693 --> 00:30:24,453 Speaker 2: Well how trumpest? How trumpest of them? 530 00:30:24,653 --> 00:30:32,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's that's an interesting one. So yeah, well 531 00:30:32,173 --> 00:30:34,133 Speaker 3: it's one of those things I suppose we can talk 532 00:30:34,173 --> 00:30:37,453 Speaker 3: about for a period of time. Soon we'll be talking 533 00:30:37,453 --> 00:30:42,973 Speaker 3: about New Zealand being ruthless against Paper New Guinea and Uganda. 534 00:30:43,013 --> 00:30:46,493 Speaker 3: Were we going to spend the weekend hoping they're ruthless? Wally? 535 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:50,333 Speaker 3: Are you building up for some ruthlessness? Well? 536 00:30:50,813 --> 00:30:53,893 Speaker 4: I do expect to see a huge improvement, but that'll 537 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:56,653 Speaker 4: be because of the opposition we're playing against. I'd like 538 00:30:56,693 --> 00:31:00,573 Speaker 4: to see perhaps better pictures, better conditions and a wee 539 00:31:00,613 --> 00:31:04,093 Speaker 4: bit more conducive to players being able to go out 540 00:31:04,253 --> 00:31:07,613 Speaker 4: and play what used to be the normal game. I 541 00:31:07,653 --> 00:31:10,373 Speaker 4: would expect we win both games very very well. It 542 00:31:10,813 --> 00:31:13,813 Speaker 4: will perhaps bring back a wee bit of interest. It 543 00:31:13,853 --> 00:31:16,653 Speaker 4: will forgive some of the performances of the last few days. 544 00:31:17,253 --> 00:31:19,773 Speaker 4: We're not going to go through anymore, and we're all disappointed, 545 00:31:19,773 --> 00:31:22,413 Speaker 4: but we do want them to come home and feel 546 00:31:23,093 --> 00:31:24,533 Speaker 4: as a welcome when they return. 547 00:31:25,013 --> 00:31:27,893 Speaker 2: Aren't we on the same pitch fellas well, the same 548 00:31:27,893 --> 00:31:30,893 Speaker 2: one as says today? Well, can they change that suddenly 549 00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:34,173 Speaker 2: in three days? I don't know about that. But look, 550 00:31:35,653 --> 00:31:37,613 Speaker 2: as I said before, I think they're going to have 551 00:31:37,613 --> 00:31:40,333 Speaker 2: to lower their sights on what is a decent score, 552 00:31:40,893 --> 00:31:47,653 Speaker 2: just a web it, you know, the medium medium bowlers, 553 00:31:47,813 --> 00:31:49,813 Speaker 2: you know, God, obviously they're going to do the bulk 554 00:31:49,853 --> 00:31:52,693 Speaker 2: of the work. It seems to me. I can't understand 555 00:31:52,693 --> 00:31:56,533 Speaker 2: why Sata didn't bowl Moore spin and if bowling Darryl 556 00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:59,693 Speaker 2: Mitchell in the nineteenth over in our two games is 557 00:31:59,733 --> 00:32:03,333 Speaker 2: a plan, a plan before you go there cut it out. 558 00:32:03,613 --> 00:32:07,973 Speaker 2: So so yeah, I'm interested to see if our batsman 559 00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,653 Speaker 2: can stay to play a bit better and a bit 560 00:32:09,653 --> 00:32:12,933 Speaker 2: more sensibly play, more sensible shots, get into the game. 561 00:32:13,213 --> 00:32:16,173 Speaker 2: Chaffein Rutherford went in in the power play. He was 562 00:32:16,213 --> 00:32:19,173 Speaker 2: in in the power play against New Zealand and he 563 00:32:19,213 --> 00:32:21,453 Speaker 2: batted all the rest of the overs. That's what sort 564 00:32:21,453 --> 00:32:23,053 Speaker 2: of thing we want to see. 565 00:32:22,933 --> 00:32:24,493 Speaker 3: And we can see it at two thirty in the 566 00:32:24,533 --> 00:32:29,093 Speaker 3: morning when they play the game against Papua New Guinea. 567 00:32:29,373 --> 00:32:32,173 Speaker 3: Uganda's are all right, but I think against Papooh New Guinea, 568 00:32:32,213 --> 00:32:34,093 Speaker 3: we're at two thirty in the morning. You'll be up watching, 569 00:32:34,133 --> 00:32:34,453 Speaker 3: won't you. 570 00:32:35,053 --> 00:32:36,053 Speaker 2: Oh, Wally, you'll be up. 571 00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:39,253 Speaker 4: Ohill be certainly there. I'll stay right through the night. 572 00:32:39,493 --> 00:32:42,453 Speaker 4: I'm so excited about the fact that Papua New Guinea 573 00:32:42,493 --> 00:32:44,973 Speaker 4: are going to be our next to opponents. And also 574 00:32:45,053 --> 00:32:47,453 Speaker 4: shouldn't they have heard some of the conversation we just 575 00:32:47,493 --> 00:32:51,013 Speaker 4: had in the last twenty minutes. Perhaps they'll turn things around. 576 00:32:52,053 --> 00:32:55,173 Speaker 3: Excellent stuff. Thanks guys, look forward to talking to you 577 00:32:55,253 --> 00:32:58,253 Speaker 3: again and have you back on the front pot Cheers. 578 00:32:58,093 --> 00:33:01,453 Speaker 2: Hi, cheers, yeah, cheers well. 579 00:33:04,693 --> 00:33:11,533 Speaker 4: Summer oh. 580 00:33:11,933 --> 00:33:14,573 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk set B listen live on 581 00:33:14,653 --> 00:33:17,613 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 582 00:33:17,653 --> 00:33:20,213 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio