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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: You're with Jack Tame on News Talks. He'dbu through to

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Speaker 2: midday Today. New Zealand's leading contemporary dance company, Black Grace,

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Speaker 2: is celebrating thirty years this year, and then new Company

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Speaker 2: B show Rage Rage is about to launch at Auckland's

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Speaker 2: al Tear Center. Joining us from Black Grace at Lander's

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Speaker 2: production is the show creator Leaky Jackson Bought our co

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Speaker 2: creator Leaky Jackson Bork and dance talent Justice calum Or

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Speaker 2: calder Korder. I thank you for being with.

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Speaker 3: Us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Let's start off with you Lecky tell us about Rage Rage.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Jacob, Morning listeners. Rage Rage is an exploration

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Speaker 4: by Company B under Black Grace, and it's pretty much

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Speaker 4: a multidisciplinary works. There's contemporary dance, there's acting, there's singing,

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Speaker 4: there's some physical theater, and it's all around the concept

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Speaker 4: of rage and how we feel rage and different kind

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Speaker 4: of capacity. We explore a lot of different things. We

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Speaker 4: look at local issues, national issues, and international things that

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Speaker 4: are happening around the world, so that all of that

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Speaker 4: informs the work in the exploration and yeah, we put

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Speaker 4: it together in a fancy one hour show, and it's

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Speaker 4: there's something for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's lots to be enraged about at

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Speaker 2: the moment. But is it like explicit the things that

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Speaker 2: you are performing about, Like, is it obvious the kind

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Speaker 2: of things that you are enraged by.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think people will kind of get the themes

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Speaker 4: we're trying to work with without giving the show yeah

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Speaker 4: too much, but it's there's something that's relatable to everyone

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Speaker 4: who comes to watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Justice tell us about your role. You have

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Speaker 2: finished up at toy Facadi last year and this is

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Speaker 2: like a bit of a kind of multidisciplinary show, right,

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Speaker 2: So you're acting, you're using kind of you're dancing, there's

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Speaker 2: singing as well as Yeah, so the whole range of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about your role.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this I feel like the process is completely

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Speaker 5: new to me. In terms of the dance aspect. I've

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Speaker 5: never really been in a process where it's, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's everything you expect from a higher caliber dance company

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Speaker 5: such as Blackgrass. You know, it's it's physical, it's challenging,

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Speaker 5: and you know it requires your very best. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think I'm just one of many artists just trying

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Speaker 5: to portray an image within the show. And yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: pretty much my role to say. I do obviously singing

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Speaker 5: it and perform and dancing. It sounds quite fun.

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Speaker 2: Is it, like, do you come from a big dance background?

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Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, no, not at all.

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Speaker 4: He's being very humble here.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I actually I actually don't.

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Speaker 2: I've well, you used to like dancing as a kid, right.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I grew up

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Speaker 5: watching all the step ups and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's a different thing when you're

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Speaker 2: when you're performing with Black Grayc's company Bait. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a let's a stiff up. So what was it like

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was.

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Speaker 5: It was an eye opener for sure. I feel like,

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Speaker 5: you know, there's from the outside perspective, it's like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know, black races and things, blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 5: to explain to people just how you know, how fast

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Speaker 5: paced the rehearsals are and you know how much it

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Speaker 5: experiencing that for yourself and you know it's been it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all but good salt Like as you finish up

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Speaker 2: and you're like you're you're physically really like like muscular

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Speaker 5: Just muscular Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah it's been good.

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Speaker 5: I feel like the first rehearsal, you know, my body

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Speaker 5: was in the shops like, oh my gosh, this is crazy.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, as time went on, slowly started

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Speaker 4: I think he's done an amazing job. I just when

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Speaker 4: guess some people have called them the all Blacks of dance.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a very physical company.

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Speaker 2: It's super physical.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot yeah mentally physically, there's a high demand,

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Speaker 4: and I think for a lot of these new younger performers,

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Speaker 4: Or Justice kind of had no choice.

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Speaker 3: He was just and when you're in your.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's done great.

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Speaker 2: So when you say the culture of Black Grace, black

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Speaker 2: crazy to me. But how would you how do you

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Speaker 2: think about the culture, how would you explain it to someone?

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Speaker 2: What distinguishes it?

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Speaker 4: It's very unique and reflective of society here and at all.

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Speaker 4: I think what makes us different obviously is drawing on

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Speaker 4: traditional kind of MOLDI and Pacific cultural heritage practices art

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Speaker 4: forms and then looking at it with a content with

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Speaker 4: unique blend of traditional and contemporary as well. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: kind of defines Black Grace's style and it's real. It's real,

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Speaker 4: fast paced, high edge cutting physical. If you've been to

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Speaker 4: probably sweeting in the audience watching the dancers because there

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Speaker 4: isn't a lot of time to breathe.

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Speaker 2: No, it is, it's a lot, right, So for a

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Speaker 2: show like that, when you think about Black Grace being

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Speaker 2: shows and then you you call a show rage rage,

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Speaker 2: how do you how do you build nuance into that?

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Speaker 2: How do you do it? Or do you do you

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Speaker 2: simply design a show where it's just like you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm in sense from the word go everyone's just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the show kind of builds builds around rage,

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Speaker 4: unpack what what that looks like for different people. Some

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Speaker 4: people experience rage and a you know, in a quiet

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Speaker 4: we we explore different variations of rage. So the whole

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Speaker 4: There's you know, there's some slow parts in it. There's

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the kind of place of

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Speaker 4: Well that's a that's very loaded question.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, I mean I'm yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: you think of the Royal family and what they've what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, from my own personal view and experience contemporary

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Speaker 4: Like you know, there's a certain market or a certain

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Speaker 4: the theater. So last year we had a project and

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Speaker 4: contemporary dance audience came along to them. It was really exciting.

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Speaker 4: Like my brother who goes so nothing came to that

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Speaker 2: Was called the Gorilla Collection A right, Yeah, yeah, yeah nice.

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Speaker 2: So so you you kind of purposefully look at other

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Previously absolutely, And I think the joy in having

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just as how is it working with those people?

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Speaker 5: It's I think the best part about it is is

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Speaker 3: But yeah, they everyone in the room motivates me every day.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been really nice.

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Speaker 2: So so do you think that when you think about

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Speaker 2: get toy for CARDI like, how where how does dance

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Speaker 5: That's still a question I'm still trying to figure out

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Speaker 5: for myself at this stage. I've always I've grown up

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Speaker 5: loving you know, dance and hip hop. Come from a

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Speaker 5: hip hop background, but I've also you know, found a

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Speaker 5: new respectful contemporary dance and that's what drove me to

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Speaker 5: you know, it's a form I've always respected, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I thought that I knew was hard, but I also

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Speaker 5: there's still a question. I'm not quite sure where this

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Speaker 5: power will take me, But yeahs are open.

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Speaker 2: Lacky, you won the Bruce Mason Play Running Award last year. Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: How affirming is that for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's real, It's really humbling. It's awesome to know

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Speaker 4: that I've been recognized for the plays that I've written,

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Speaker 4: but it also it's an ode to my parents and

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Speaker 4: me from a young age. I have no formal training

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Speaker 4: as a writer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I won the Bruces. That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say it's you know, it's a kind

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Speaker 2: What do you mean, like they they encouraged storytelling kind of.

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Speaker 4: Storytelling has kind of been always present in our family,

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Speaker 4: as knowing that he grew up in a different New Zealand. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: then I did. He grew up here in the nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 4: which looked much different for Pacific Island people at the time.

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Speaker 4: And so when I think about my grandpa having to

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Speaker 4: suppress his language and Hi Do's identity, I'm like, I

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Speaker 4: don't have to do that. Now I'm privileged. I get

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Speaker 4: to like celebrate, I get to shine and celebrate and

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Speaker 4: put my language and our stories on stage on mainstream platforms,

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Speaker 4: which is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean by being a dedication to

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Speaker 4: their struggle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's so special. Okay, we're almost at a time,

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Speaker 2: so give us the patch. Why should people maybe even

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Speaker 2: people who haven't seen a Black Gray show in years

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Speaker 2: or if ever before, why should they headlong to rage rage?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to get first? Come along to rage Rage?

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Speaker 4: It's it's reflective of our society and everything we see

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Speaker 4: and experience here and ulti at all as well as internationally.

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Speaker 4: And I think contemporary dance kind of isn't your thing.

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Speaker 4: Storytelling might be your thing, and so there's a powerful

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Speaker 4: story in it. There are a lot of different perspectives

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Speaker 4: to explore, and yeah, we invite you to come and

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Speaker 4: have a conversation with us. So don't just come for entertainment,

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Speaker 4: come for all of the storytelling. Even storytelling. Everybody loves

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Speaker 4: a good story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just as anything.

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Speaker 3: You want to add, No, I think Leaky hit it

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Speaker 3: right on the money.

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Speaker 2: I'll just add it and say, you can see justice

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Speaker 2: in the show that he never thought he'd be performing,

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Speaker 2: and it's his first performance as a sort of semi

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Speaker 3: At the very least.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, guys, Congratulations on the show and

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Speaker 2: all the very best. We really appreciate it. Leaky Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Bork and Justice, Color Law, and of course Rage Rage

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Speaker 2: is going to be opening at Auckland's Altier Center. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be showing June fourth and fifth. There's more

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Speaker 2: info at Blackgrace dot co dot nz and we'll have

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Speaker 2: details on the news talks. He'db website as well.

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