1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: World leaders, including from our own government, have sent their 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: congratulations to Donald Trump on him winning the US election 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: last night. The US is, of course one of our 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: country's most important partners. Winston Peters is our Foreign Affairs minister. 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Hey Winston, Good afternoon, Winston. The thing that we're most 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: worried about with the Trump presidency, obviously is his threat 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: to introduce twenty percent tariffs on imports, including ours. Do 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: you think he'll actually do that? 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are prematurely panicking here 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: without understanding that we have got to wait till the 11 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: twentieth of January next year for him to be inaugurated. 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: In that time, we've got a lot of work to 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: do with the incoming administration. And also we have a 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: very very strong case to make ourselves an exception because 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: of the fairness of our market, the fact that we 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: pay first world wages in first world conditions, and so 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: we are not an exploit out of country that you 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: could bring those sorts of tariffs against without having evidence. 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: And so in our case, we're not overly confident, but 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: we've got ourselves ready. We hit the ground running the 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: moment this administration was elected. We were prepared for it. 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: We prepared for it in terms of our Washington base 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: and also our base around the United States, in terms 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: of people that we have contacts with in the Republican Party. 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Do you think he can be talked out of this? 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: Well, he's not being talked into at this point in time. 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: He's just made it about some countries and hopefully he 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: has not made at about ours. And often he talks 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: about what is unfair in the world. And if you 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: can see some countries who pay third world or fourth 31 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: world wages and shocking conditions, then you're talking about something else. 32 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: In the New Zealand's case, we are a first World 33 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: democracy with the First War standards of living in terms 34 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: of our aspirations for the working people of our country, 35 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: and that will stand us in good stead. 36 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Do you think that he will end the Ukraine War 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: like he says he will? 38 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: Look, Uh, just go back and ask yourself, how come 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: between sixteen to how sixteen twenty twenty we had none 40 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: of this wars, none of these wars going on. Sometimes 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: wars to that happened because countries think they can get 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: away with it, and sadly that's where we are at now. 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: But you know, I don't want to get involved in 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: that other to say that weakness off meets to the 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: kind of circumstances we're living. 46 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: Look, you're preaching to the choir here. I totally agree 47 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: with you on that, But I'm interested in how he 48 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: gets settlement in the main thing. I mean, does he 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: force fladomyir Zelenski to give up a whole bunch of 50 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: land to putin in order for Putin to stop the fighting. 51 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: And if that's what he does, are we okay with that? 52 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I'm not going to get into that controversial 53 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: debate because that's outside of our area. Other than to 54 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 2: say it's a small state. We do think that rule 55 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: of law matters, and the Russians preached a serious view 56 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: in Charter when they did that, even though they're on 57 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: the Security Council, and we made that position very clear 58 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 2: in our statement to the United Nations not so longer. 59 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: Now on the Middle Eastern War. Speaking to somebody in 60 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: the know yesterday who's an experienced diplomat who said that 61 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: one of the possibilities with Trump and the Middle Eastern 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: War is that he actually just comes comes in sorts 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: out around once and for all by making it okay 64 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: for Israel to strike their nuclear sites and that's it. 65 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's risky, it's really risky, but at least 66 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: it ends. What do you think is that likely? 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: Well, I'm amazed at the number of people have come 68 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: experts after the election and have gave you a note, 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: good advice before before it happened. But the real issue 70 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: is here is the economy, and he could have a 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: profound effect upon that and see a change in their behavior. 72 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: Yes, do we have a good relationship do you think 73 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: with the people? I mean, I noticed you put Rosemary 74 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: Banks back into the Washington situation for us, right in 75 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: the embassy over there. So do we have a good 76 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: relationship do you think with the people who are likely 77 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: to be surrounded by Trump? Surrounded surrounding Trump? 78 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, with a lot of them. Mere So, 79 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: I just spoke to our former ambassador to New Zealand 80 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: who's also our consul in Oregon Port and Oregon, Swimdell. 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: I spoke to him a long time today and he's 82 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: going to Washington very shorty. He's got a lot of content. Actually, 83 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: You've got also people that you know work very close 84 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: to Trump, whereas actually almost daily organizers, these are people 85 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: that we're back in contact with now, as we always 86 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: had to get ready for any change that was likely 87 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: to happen and been more likely as the months went by. 88 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Winston, I want to speak to you just really quickly 89 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: as the leader of New Zealand first, and I hope 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: you won't take offense at this at this particular comparison, 91 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: but you strike me as being probably the closest to 92 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: Trump in New Zealand, not in terms of being offensive 93 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but just kind of understanding the 94 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: popular mood and appealing to the popular mood. Right. Do 95 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: you think that what Trump has just done is this 96 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: just a unique individual who's managed to win or is 97 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: this a movement around the world of people who want 98 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: to be listened to by populists. 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: Look what happened here, and it was astonishing in the 100 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: campaign because it happened to the Republican Party as well. 101 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: That's so many people high up in the organizations are 102 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: both those parties lot of touch with real American voters. 103 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: So those people out there who hadn't registered for to 104 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: vote Safe for thirty five years, we're registering for the 105 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: first time. These are people who got to be listened to. 106 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: These are people who are concerned about the massive flowing 107 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: from the border and the number of criminals and murderers 108 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: are coming in, and they were not responding to them 109 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: in the heads of the Republican and the Democratic Party. 110 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: But Trump was now, whether you like or don't like someone, 111 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: the reality is, in the end, democracy is about the 112 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: ordinary person, the people in their numbers who do all 113 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: the jobs, sometimes two or three jobs a week to 114 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: make a country work. And if you take your ear 115 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: and your eye off them, then you deserve to lose. 116 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Winston, thank you very much. Couldn't agree with you 117 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: more on that, actually, Winston Peter's Foreign Affairs Minister. For 118 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: more from hither Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to news 119 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the 120 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.