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Speaker 1: Kiota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and from the team behind the

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Speaker 1: front page the New Zealand Herald's daily news podcast, This

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Speaker 1: is Accused the Polkinghorn Trial. Over the next six weeks,

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with our usual daily episodes, we'll be bringing

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Speaker 1: you regular coverage as one of the most high profile

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Speaker 1: trials of the year makes its way through the High

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Speaker 1: Court at Auckland. A warning, this podcast contains disturbing content.

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Speaker 1: Pauline Hannah's voice echoed throughout the courtroom on day nine

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Speaker 1: of the trial of her husband, Philip Polkinghorn, who was

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Speaker 1: accused of murdering her. It came in the form of

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Speaker 1: a covert recording of a family dinner, providing Hannah a

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Speaker 1: chance to explain their relationship in her own words to

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Speaker 1: the jury who'll decide whether she died of foul play

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Speaker 1: or whether she took her own life, and later a

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Speaker 1: bombshell is dropped by the defense. Day nine began with

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Speaker 1: the court watching the rest of Polkinghorn's police interview with

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Speaker 1: the detective Ilona Walton, who sat in the witness stand

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Speaker 1: while it played. Polkinghorn murmurs whether he should have listened more.

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Speaker 1: Maybe sho didn't feel supported she always wanted a dog,

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Speaker 1: he said, a bulldog, and wanted to call it Winston,

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Speaker 1: after Winston Churchill. The police officer and subject quip about

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Speaker 1: the number of books on the former English PM around

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Speaker 1: the house. Polkinghorn mentions the interview is like something he

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Speaker 1: does as a doctor, taking a history. He said, should

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Speaker 2: But I don't need to listen too much of the

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Speaker 1: He goes on to a story about when he was

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Speaker 1: in London being asked to accompany his boss on a

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Speaker 1: date and how he could swear it happened when he

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Speaker 3: So this is quite important.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, I understand, because you don't have the

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Speaker 2: You don't have the thing that we have, which is

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Speaker 2: the examination. So we have the examination, see which so

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Speaker 2: we get the parts.

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Speaker 3: If you like, by two things.

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Speaker 2: Two are texts asking you how when did I become sore?

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Speaker 2: To looking at the eye and seeing what's wrong with it?

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Speaker 2: But you don't have the ability to do that, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: He spoke more about the orange rope and how it

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Speaker 1: was attached to the balustrade. He equipped at one point,

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Speaker 1: I must be the worst person you've ever interviewed. Crown

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Speaker 1: Solicitor Alisia McClintock questioned Ilona Walton about that interview. She

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Speaker 1: asked about the events beforehand. Polkinghorn wanted to know whether

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Speaker 1: there was a note found there wasn't, and whether there

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Speaker 1: was any relevance of the COVID vaccine that had the

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Speaker 1: day before. Defense lawyer Ron Mansfield, in his cross examination,

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Speaker 1: done on the rope and whether Walton was instructed to

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Speaker 1: keep him at the station. He spoke of a call

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Speaker 1: Polkinghorn had received from his friend, a barrister. In one

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Speaker 1: of the breaks of the interview, it appears as being

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Speaker 1: told his wife's death was being reported in the media,

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Speaker 1: that he was a suspect and forensics were at his

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Speaker 1: Upland Road home. Walton reiterated multiple times he was not

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Speaker 4: I know been critical or somewhat critical of you for

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Speaker 4: not telling doctor Polpenhorn of the police view that it

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Speaker 4: might be suspicious and cautioning him, and I know you

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Speaker 4: don't accept that, correct, Burdie, thank you for what appears

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Speaker 3: So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Pauline Hannah's younger brother, Bruce Hannah, was called to the stand.

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Speaker 1: Their younger sister, Tracy, has lived in London for about

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Speaker 1: thirty years. They had a rural upbringing, growing up on

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Speaker 1: family in the Hawks Bay at least monthly. They messaged

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Speaker 5: Hell recent to her death, were you last talking or

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Speaker 6: I spoke to her on the Thursday night. Thursday night

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Speaker 3: On for a ten day holiday with a group of friends.

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Speaker 5: How did she seem about that work? The work part

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Speaker 6: They've got organized and yeah, she was really proud of

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Speaker 3: She was in high spirits.

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Speaker 1: He said he met Polkinghorn in the mid nineties. They

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Speaker 1: They'd go fishing at the couple's rings be each batch.

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Speaker 1: Bruce says his sister seemed happier when she wasn't around

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Speaker 1: her husband. In the twelve to eighteen months before her death.

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Speaker 1: He liked it when she would visit without Polkinghorn in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he had a woman in Sydney and he had

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Speaker 6: I remember saying to her, you know it, you know

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Speaker 6: is he does he use a condom? Is he safe

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Speaker 6: think they used to be group six. Yeah, and Philip

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Speaker 3: Along with it.

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Speaker 1: Bruce said, Pauline would tell him her husband was an

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Speaker 3: The roof with her words. They were her words. How

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Speaker 3: did she use those words? And what context? Oh, she'd say, he.

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Speaker 6: I can't talk to her at the moment because he's

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Speaker 6: and he's mad at something I don't know what, and

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Speaker 3: Them, okay.

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Speaker 5: Any other explanations for that mood of mister Paulkinhorn that

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Speaker 5: caused these difficulties? No, what did you say to Pauline

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Speaker 3: I mean, what was your sort of position and discussion?

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Speaker 6: I would say, well, you know, does he does he

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Speaker 6: do when when he's like this? I know, go to

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Speaker 6: she seemed to have a bit of a solution for it.

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Speaker 1: He was driving when Polkinghorn called him about eight thirty

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Speaker 3: Told me.

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Speaker 6: He told me, he said, Ah, I've got some terrible news.

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Speaker 3: It's Pauline. She's dead. She's hanged herself.

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Speaker 1: Pauline. Hannah's voice slurred as she spoke of her husband.

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Speaker 1: We all make mistakes, she said. She's at her brother's house, Bruce,

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Speaker 1: their Hawks Bay farmhouse in November twenty nineteen. Rose had

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Speaker 1: recorded part of that conversation, about twenty minutes of it,

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Speaker 3: But I know he loves me.

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Speaker 7: I know he's just such a he wants to have

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Speaker 7: sex with everybody, videos of and I've got videos. And

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Speaker 7: he's really hurt me to the extent that sometimes I thought, well,

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Speaker 7: why am I living with him? But I love him

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Speaker 7: and he loves me, and actually it's just his malfunction.

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Speaker 1: Hannah said she was considering leaving her husband, but she

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Speaker 3: He's a very busy person.

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Speaker 7: This last year, I would gladly say goodbye, and I

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Speaker 7: wish I never had it in my life, like it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you found me and you want to walk away.

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Speaker 3: Well the two billion dollars cats from Philip. You were

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Speaker 3: going to walk away, that's what you said to me. That.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the best of it. Actually beyondest. I've considered

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Speaker 3: I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 7: No, no, I don't know that. But actually I love

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Speaker 7: my husband. But he is somebody who is very angry

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Speaker 7: We've just lost Willis and millions of dollars because of

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Speaker 1: Rose said she's worried about her aunt living with such

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Speaker 7: He does love me, and he's Lord without me, And

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Speaker 7: I know you.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand it. I know that if he takes his

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Speaker 3: it every day at the moment. But he doesn't love you,

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Speaker 3: then he does love me. He does love me. He

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Speaker 3: does because he becomes so remorsefully in any cries, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because he knows that he's got a good thing with you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Pauline said her husband had been revolting a rendegrade, hurtful

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Speaker 1: ninety three. She said, she's not a doormat because you're not.

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Speaker 3: Doing what ever the fuck you want. You know, you're

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Speaker 7: And she got quite a lot of men fancy me

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Speaker 3: Of men were actually quite like you. Had like twenty

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Speaker 1: She told her family about Polkinghorn screwing prostitute. Well, he's

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Speaker 3: Does he have like a regular woman.

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Speaker 7: No, he screws prostitutes Australia. So that's the thing that

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Speaker 7: gives me confidence that it's nothing regular going it's about

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Speaker 7: And in fact, does he use he used condoms.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to catch something. Here's the real kind

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Speaker 7: I used to join the prostitutes and be part of

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Speaker 3: And so I have been with so many odd men and.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm telling you, you don't want to hear it, Rosie,

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Speaker 7: you don't want to. But I did that because I

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Speaker 7: wanted to make sure that he didn't go off the rails,

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Speaker 7: that I was part of it, because then you were there.

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Speaker 7: But now I can't do it anymore. Three years ago

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Speaker 7: I decided I can't do this. I had to drink

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Speaker 7: two bottles of wine before I go with another man.

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Speaker 7: And it's just revolting and I hate it.

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Speaker 3: It all makes.

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Speaker 8: Sense now, but how can you say he loves you

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Speaker 8: when he wants, he does participate, he likes.

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Speaker 3: He likes, he likes. He just needs to have sex.

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Speaker 7: That's why every day he was in Sydney the last

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Speaker 7: two weekends and he would have contact, he would have

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Speaker 7: contacted L.

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Speaker 1: She said she's met one of them, who she refers

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Speaker 3: But L's a lovely woman heaps of time. Until three years.

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Speaker 7: Ago it happened I would go to the parties of

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Speaker 7: You know, she'll pay you twenty k to come over

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Speaker 3: And while you're involved, that's fine because you're a philip

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Speaker 7: Disappoints me that that that he said to me doesn't

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Speaker 3: So that's good. So I pulled down and your goes

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Speaker 8: So when you're together, it's one thing, But when he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not love Rosie Poet six.

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Speaker 1: If he had a girlfriend in Auckland, Hannah said, that

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Speaker 7: It's not not fair, it's not fear. And I'm not

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Speaker 7: not gonna stuff myself up for them. I have got

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Speaker 7: the most amazing role you have. I've got two ndred

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't either.

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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna destro no, because if you give that up,

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Speaker 7: then you lose your power. I'm not letting him destroy

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Speaker 1: Hannah said. Polkinghorn is a complex character. If she needs

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Speaker 1: to leave him, she will. Though her niece asks when

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Speaker 1: Mansfield asked Bruce Hannah about his sister's chill pills, as

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Speaker 4: Pauline disclosing an attempt to kill herself in nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 4: shortly after your father's death. Were you aware of that?

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Speaker 1: Mansfield referred to medical records and asked Bruce hannah Weather

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Speaker 4: Twenty thirteen, she was diagnosed with alcohol dependent syndrome. Were

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Speaker 7: It was not.

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Speaker 4: She was reportedly drinking a bottle of wine, burned night

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 1: That same year, Mansfield said she was prescribed a drug

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Speaker 1: designed to treat anxiety and alcohol withdrawal. In March twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: he said her medical records note Missus Polkinghorn's alcohol consumption

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Speaker 4: She was referred to the crisis team. Were aware of that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Accorded in the notes that Missus Polginghorn had long standing

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Speaker 4: which Missus Bognhorn was upset and crying, reported her mother

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Speaker 1: Was not. Mansfield produced an email Hannah had sent to

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Speaker 1: The Crowns Brian Dicky re examined Bruce, who reaffirmed he

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Speaker 1: He didn't think she drank that much alcohol. She held

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Speaker 1: down a very responsible job, he said. The trial continues tomorrow.

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