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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper C Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Police Minister Mark

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Speaker 3: Mitchell with the latest on the search for the kids.

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Speaker 3: After five, the PPTA on why they're telling the secondary

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Speaker 3: school teachers to reject that payoffer simplicity. Chief economist Charma

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Speaker 3: Bill Yakub on why the Winston Peters Key we save

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Speaker 3: our idea might be a little tricky and we'll have

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Speaker 3: the Finance Minister Nichola Willis as usual on a Monday.

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Speaker 3: After six, Heather duper Cy Ellen, Man, what a terrible

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Speaker 3: outcome today a for those children especially, got to be

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Speaker 3: thinking about them. I'm going to bring you up to

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Speaker 3: speed with what we know. Police have just held a

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Speaker 3: press conference in the last forty minutes. They say they're

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Speaker 3: still looking for the two youngest children. Nine and ten

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Speaker 3: are the ages. They seem to have some idea roughly

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Speaker 3: rough idea of where the kids may be. They've got

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Speaker 3: fifty police in their searching, they've got the Armed Defenders

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Speaker 3: Squad for obvious reasons, police negotiating teams, specialist police staff

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Speaker 3: and so on. They're pretty confident they have got sufficient

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Speaker 3: have only got, as the police have pointed out, about

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Speaker 3: two and a half hours of daylight left to find them.

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Speaker 3: And it's going to get cold tonight again. Temperature there

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Speaker 3: The child who is safe appears to be Jada, the

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Speaker 3: twelve year old, the eldest, and Jada does appear to

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Speaker 3: be helping the police. Someone else, though, appears to be

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Speaker 3: helping the family. At least, that is the impression that

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Speaker 3: you have to get from the way that the police

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Speaker 3: are talking. Police have issued a public appeal a number

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Speaker 3: of times during that press conference, saying this must end now.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: You only say it like that because you think somebody

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Speaker 3: TV media and so on. Right, so that suggests that

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Speaker 3: they believe people are still helping them. The officer just

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Speaker 3: give you an update. They're the officer who was shot

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Speaker 3: in the head has undergone surgery, will need a lot

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Speaker 3: more surgery by the looks of things, being in a

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Speaker 3: has been injured a number of times with high pressured

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Speaker 3: rifle and at close range a high powered rifle. Rather

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Speaker 3: now already I've had messages this morning, and looking back

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Speaker 3: through the text machine, I can see the text machine

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Speaker 3: has had similar messages. Are pretty angry about this situation

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Speaker 3: and blaming people variously, blaming the police for laying the

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Speaker 3: spikes and trying to catch Tom Phillips, blaming the people

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Speaker 3: who helped him for facilitating this and dragging it on. No,

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Speaker 3: if you're blaming the cops for this, and if you're

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Speaker 3: blaming someone else who helped this family, you're blaming the

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Speaker 3: wrong people. This is no one else's fault, but Tom

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Speaker 3: Phillips is. It doesn't matter whether you think that his

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Speaker 3: all a police officer. It is no one else's fault

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Speaker 3: that has gone this way other than his. Now, I

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Speaker 3: feel sick for those other two children waiting for their

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Speaker 3: it's not happening. I hope to God that the police

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Speaker 3: hope that they can recover from what is an impossibly

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Speaker 5: Heather DOOPERLA Seeking.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen nine two is the text number. Standard text fees

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Speaker 3: apply now. Police. As I said, have just spoken very

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Speaker 3: not very long ago at the Cordon News talk Z'DB

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Speaker 3: journalist Jordan Done was there and was with us. Now, Hey, Jordan, Hey,

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Speaker 3: ever any idea where they're searching.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's kind of the interesting thing about this, As

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Speaker 6: and they say is cooperating. Well, but what the indication

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Speaker 3: What was the impression that you got from the way

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Speaker 6: It sounds uncertain, I think, but they do say that

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Speaker 6: there is that they're not making any assumptions. They're going

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Speaker 6: and the off chance that that is the case that

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Speaker 6: they aren't actually alone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and body is still the body of Tom Phillips

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Speaker 3: still lying where he was shot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 6: We're at the Courton, which is kind of an intersection,

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Speaker 6: which is on the way to Matakopa. But we actually

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Speaker 6: can't see the body. We can't see the scenic examination

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Speaker 6: anything like that. The impression is that it's quite a

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Speaker 4: They arrive.

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Speaker 6: Was even an ambulance coming earlier. We know it's not

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Speaker 6: They haven't given an indication of when it's going to leave.

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Speaker 6: They have told us to see an examination is still

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Speaker 3: What are they taken from earlier this morning from PGG writes.

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Speaker 6: They were earlier they weren't actually telling us the sort

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Speaker 6: It just sounds like basic necessities are nothing, you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, your no other press conference is scheduled for the

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Speaker 6: Well, they said, not not schedule at this stage, but

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Speaker 6: the view there is a very there is a chance

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Speaker 6: They tell us, hopefully we'll have an update sometime tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: They're going to be doing it around author of Hunger

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Speaker 6: that I believe most of the police and media station there, and.

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Speaker 3: That's why listen, Jordan, just a question. I've got a

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Speaker 6: That the ex one question, and I asked the cops

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Speaker 6: Ask them to point out where they're going, that sort

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Speaker 6: I do want to mention that the burglary last night

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Speaker 6: which is actually an interesting point as well. When the

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Speaker 6: a complete surprise because, as I said, it was pitch black.

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Speaker 6: They had no idea where they were it happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Jordan, thanks very much, but I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Jordan done newstalksz'db journalists. Now what we have got which

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Speaker 3: You will see it. There are photographs of the scene

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Speaker 3: Right this is this is Tom Phillips opening fire on

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Speaker 3: At least four bullets have pierced the front window. Will

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Speaker 3: as I said to you earlier, Mark Mitchell, police ministers

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Speaker 3: Hither, I sincerely agree with you completely, and I hope

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Speaker 3: probably somebody will. That's actually a good point. Seventeen past four.

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine Sports Talk Hoosters of Mellow Piney. Hello, Whither,

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Speaker 3: What did I say to your Friday? I said, don't worry,

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Speaker 3: we got it in the bag?

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Speaker 5: You did say that?

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Speaker 8: And then what was it?

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Speaker 3: First try? Within three minutes?

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Speaker 5: I know, so quick?

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Speaker 9: And then fourteen mil up after twenty minutes. This is

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Speaker 9: and look, I think the All Blacks probably had control

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Speaker 9: for the most part, but South Africa just kept on coming,

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Speaker 9: didn't they as they do. And then there was that

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Speaker 9: But even then there was a twist because South Africa

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Speaker 9: But I just thought it was an epic test match.

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Speaker 9: The atmosphere, the South African fans really brought into it.

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Speaker 9: My goodness, there were so many of them. The anthems

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Speaker 9: were amazing, every part of it and the right result

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Speaker 9: for All Blacks fans. I guess the trick now is

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Speaker 9: doing it again in what five days time in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: You know normally what happens with the All Blacks is

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Speaker 3: Friday right when they're nervous. They play really well well

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Speaker 3: when they complace it, they dropped the ball. What do

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Speaker 3: you reckon their vibe is going into Wellington.

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Speaker 9: I think it might be a recognition of what you

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Speaker 9: just said and saying, Okay, we can't be we can't

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Speaker 9: drop at all down because just because we had a

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Speaker 9: big win and it was a big win, Eden Park, Fortress,

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Speaker 9: South Africa, double World champions, Artie's hundredth, all that stuff.

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Speaker 9: They have to find a way to recreate that urgency

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Speaker 9: without those things.

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Speaker 3: Because their bloody had to work for it. They do Saturday,

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Speaker 3: so that shoots nothing to be complacent about.

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Speaker 5: Them, and South Africa went great.

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Speaker 3: That's possible.

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Speaker 9: It's a possibility. Let's chat on Friday and do our predictions.

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Speaker 9: You got you got? I think you picked Manly on Friday.

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Speaker 5: The day's newspeakers.

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Speaker 1: Talk to Heather first, Heather Duplessy, elland drive with One

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Speaker 3: Chris Luxen's obviously I'm at the post cabinet press conference

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Speaker 7: We use a country let those children down again.

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a fun time in jail for

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: Like no one else used talk they'd be.

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Speaker 3: It was a full moon last night. It was not dark.

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Speaker 3: That's that is apropos what the acting Police Commissioner said,

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Speaker 3: No, it's too right now. Lots of things happened in

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Speaker 5: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So the Marshroom Chef has been sentenced to life in

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Speaker 3: She will be eighty one by the time she qualifies

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Speaker 12: The harsh prison conditions that you have experienced already and

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Speaker 3: So why did he go for the old non parole.

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Speaker 14: Then, well, as you heard him explain, there she'll be

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Speaker 14: But you know what, I don't think it's enough. I

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Speaker 14: It's not as though this hasn't been a judgment that

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Speaker 14: twenty five years time. So from my point of view,

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Speaker 14: it should be life. Life should be life. Aaron Patterson

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Speaker 14: has never revealed exactly her motivation as to why she

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Speaker 14: did this, and she is the only one who knows

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Speaker 14: why she actually committed these crimes. She didn't even reveal

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Speaker 14: anything during the sentencing process or during the court case.

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Speaker 8: But you've heard there from the judge.

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Speaker 14: She'll be in solitary confinement for twenty two hours a

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Speaker 14: day for the next thirty three years. And the only

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Speaker 14: other person in that cell that or in that particular

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Speaker 14: part of the prison that she is going to be

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Speaker 14: in if she's not successful on some sort of appeal,

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Speaker 14: is a terrorist. So there wouldn't be a great conversation

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Speaker 14: to be out of the next sept a.

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Speaker 3: Terrorist who has a history of attacking other inmates. So

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Speaker 3: why did they decide that these are the two that

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Speaker 3: need to have little chats with each other exactly right.

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Speaker 8: I don't get that. I just think that, you know,

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Speaker 8: he talks tough.

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Speaker 14: He delivered it for fifty minutes, Justice Christopher Beale, but

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Speaker 14: I just think he could have been a bit a

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Speaker 14: bit tougher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you're a tough man to please. I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you that.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Now, how do you guys feel about the Sydney that

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Speaker 3: I a getting a million bucks from the Aussie government.

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Speaker 14: Well, this is all part of the you know, building

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Speaker 14: better relations is in it between our countries. And you

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Speaker 14: might think that I'm joining some pretty wild conspiracy theories

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Speaker 14: or dots here Heather, but hear me out for a moment.

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Speaker 14: We're about to open a brand new airport in Western

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Speaker 14: Sydney which does not at this stage you'll have a

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Speaker 14: confirmed airline flying in and out in New Zealand have

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Speaker 14: said they'll do it.

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Speaker 8: So has Singapore Airline, so has Quantus.

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Speaker 14: But I believe this is all about also creating a

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Speaker 14: little bit of traffic.

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Speaker 8: I mean, there's not gonna be.

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Speaker 14: Any issue in terms of obviously Kiweis wanted to come

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Speaker 14: to Australian and vice versa. But if you think about it,

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Speaker 14: you've got something like six hundred odd thousand New Zealanders

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Speaker 14: living in this country, a lot of them in western Sydney,

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Speaker 14: so that does make sense opening this airport next year.

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Speaker 14: We need to make sure that Air New Zealand wants

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Speaker 14: to find a Sydney and back out over in New

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Speaker 14: Zealand and keep bringing Kiwe's.

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Speaker 3: Across the ditch.

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Speaker 14: That's my joining of the dots as to why this

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Speaker 14: is happening. It's not getting I'll be blunt front page

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Speaker 14: news here in Australia or widely discussed on talkback around

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Speaker 14: the country at the moment.

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Speaker 8: But I think it's just about building better relations.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, okay, Now what's your problem with the Aussie

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Speaker 3: flag business.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think it's unfortunately becoming a symbol of division personally,

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Speaker 14: and you've seen that sort of hijacked at those rallies

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Speaker 14: last weekend. You just sent a price last week taken

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Speaker 14: into the Senate. She's told it's a prop she can't

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Speaker 14: take it in there. Warren Mundin, who is now of

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Speaker 14: the Center of Independent Studies, he was a Liberal Party candidate.

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Speaker 14: He believes that it is an Australian that we're banning

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Speaker 14: the Australian flag from the Senate because you can take

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Speaker 14: all sorts of props, like you could take a fish

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Speaker 14: into the Senate if you're like you'd got a whole

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Speaker 14: fish or a surfboard, but you can't take it in

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Speaker 14: the Australian flag. Which look, yeah, there's an argument that's

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Speaker 14: a bit stupid, let's be blunts. But unfortunately, the whole

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Speaker 14: idea of this flag obviously is to unite our country

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Speaker 14: and it just seems to be being used as a

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Speaker 14: symbol of division and that is making it a lot

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Speaker 14: harder I think for all Australians to well, ultimately.

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Speaker 8: What they want to do is united under that flag.

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Speaker 3: Well, who do you blame for that?

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Speaker 5: Everybody?

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Speaker 8: Now, honestly everybody.

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Speaker 14: I also blame the Prime Minister for this because he

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Speaker 14: stands with three flags behind himself, so he's prepared to

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Speaker 14: basically say this flag doesn't represent all. So that gives

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Speaker 14: everybody else the opportunity to say this flag doesn't represent all.

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Speaker 14: And unfortunately that flag our flag, the national flag.

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Speaker 3: I see what you were saying. Sorry, when you said

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Speaker 3: three flags, I thought three Australian flags, but you're saying

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Speaker 3: three different kinds of flags.

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Speaker 14: Correct, Yeah, he stands out of the indigenous flag, the

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Speaker 14: Torres State Islander flag and the fact that you know,

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Speaker 14: even you go back five years ago here that on

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Speaker 14: Australia Day, everybody had a flag on their car.

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Speaker 8: Now nobody does.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, because you're almost embarrassed to hold the flag upcause

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Speaker 14: you think, well they might think I'm a racist.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, we lost the plot.

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Speaker 15: YEP.

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Speaker 3: I think it does start with the politicians actually, Ollie,

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Speaker 3: that's very much appreciate it, mate, look after yourself. Oliver

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Speaker 3: Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter Heather Duples see Allen family.

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Speaker 3: The mother of the children the tom Phillips children, has

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Speaker 3: put out a statement today basically saying relieved that the

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Speaker 3: situation has come to an end. I mean I think

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Speaker 3: she might be a little bit premature there. There's a

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Speaker 3: fair but fair way to go obviously trying to find

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Speaker 3: the other two kids. Saddened at how things have unfolded,

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Speaker 3: has expressed ardor heart to the police officer who was injured,

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Speaker 3: and then says, as afaro, we're attempting now to work

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Speaker 3: in cooperation with the relevant government agencies to support the

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Speaker 3: safe return and reconnection of our Tamaki. They have endured

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Speaker 3: a long and difficult journey and we ask for privacy

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Speaker 3: as we help them adjust and reintegrate into a stable

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Speaker 3: and loving environment. Now, teachers strike, Joe's strikes coming out

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Speaker 3: our eyeballs at the moment anyway, Okay, so the teachers strike.

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Speaker 3: So the government has come back to the PPTA, the

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Speaker 3: Secondary Teachers Union, and said, cool, you don't like the offer,

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Speaker 3: we'll double it, well kind of ish, Yeah, Well, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's pretty close to double yet because the offer beforehand

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Speaker 3: was one percent increase, one percent to increase, one percent increase,

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Speaker 3: and this time it's over two years now, not three,

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Speaker 3: and it's a two point five percent increase in a

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Speaker 3: two point one percent increase, so it's gone up considerably.

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Speaker 3: The PPTA, it will not surprise you at all, has

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Speaker 3: recommended that its members reject the government's pay. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to them about that. After half past five.

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Speaker 3: Barry Sopers next seventeen to two.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen away from five. Barry so Per, senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: is with us.

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Speaker 4: Barry.

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Speaker 16: Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Right, So Chris Luckson's spoken about the Tom Phillips shooting.

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Speaker 16: Well, you can imagine the beehive has been on the

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Speaker 16: phone to the police all day, Mark Mitchell, police minister.

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Speaker 16: I know you're going to be talking to him after five.

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Speaker 16: Chris Luckson started his news conference off post cabinet, commenting

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Speaker 16: on it. Luxon has been briefed on the shooting and

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Speaker 16: got briefed as soon as he got off a plane

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Speaker 16: this morning, and he reflected on how most New Zealanders

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Speaker 16: will be feeling at the moment.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, very concerned, like all New Zealanders are.

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Speaker 11: You know, these are our children out there that actually

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Speaker 11: we're running out of daylight hours. Police have put assourship

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Speaker 11: with a huge amount of resources into the area. They're

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Speaker 11: doing an incredible job of trying to find these children

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Speaker 11: as quickly as possible. You know, that's obviously a big concern.

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Speaker 11: But also you know the foreign police officer as well,

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Speaker 11: who is you know, going through obviously some serious surgeries

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Speaker 11: as we talk, you know, given the injuries that he's encountered.

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Speaker 11: So you know, our thoughts are in both those spaces.

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Speaker 7: This is sad and absolutely tragic event.

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Speaker 11: I mean, this is not what anybody wanted to happen today,

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Speaker 11: and I think that is a consistent feeling from everybody

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Speaker 11: across his land. You know, we are used to seeing

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Speaker 11: these stories from other parts of the world, but not

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Speaker 11: hearing his land and has certainly very very sad and

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Speaker 11: tragic day.

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Speaker 5: So it is now.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised that order any Kit beat Peni Henadi,

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Speaker 3: but I was surprised at how much of a smashing

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Speaker 3: she gave them.

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Speaker 16: Well, I've got to say I was surprised. I thought

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Speaker 16: Peni henadai give him. That he's represented that electorate for

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Speaker 16: some time. I think the fact that it was made

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Speaker 16: much of by the Maldi Party that win or lose,

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Speaker 16: Pennie Henada would be back in parliament anyway. I think

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Speaker 16: what they've got to do is now they've got to

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Speaker 16: school Kaipa on how parliament works and that the Maldi

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Speaker 16: party have repealed nothing because they're not in power. They

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Speaker 16: can't do it. So you know, she's got a lot

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Speaker 16: to learn going into politics. But you know she won,

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Speaker 16: as you say, quite decisively, although you'd have to say

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Speaker 16: in the electorate about less than a quarter of it

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Speaker 16: turning out the registered voters to vote says something about

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Speaker 16: by elections in this country.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, if you were labor looking at this outcome,

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Speaker 3: you would I think I'd be worried. You'd be coming

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Speaker 3: to terms of the fact that you were not going

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Speaker 3: to get any of those seats back.

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Speaker 16: No, I'd be absolutely. I think what the Mardi Party

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Speaker 16: have done very successfully. They're very much a protest party

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Speaker 16: and they've appealed to the young Mary I think in particular,

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Speaker 16: I think the older Marory they wouldn't be as convinced

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Speaker 16: as some of the young Mardy are, and what they're

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Speaker 16: doing is they're out appealing to that group.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So what's been going on with Labor is

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Speaker 3: that they have been unsure quite how to do politics right,

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Speaker 3: some of them, Willie Jackson has want its attack to

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Speaker 3: the left to try to get the Marory seats back.

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Speaker 3: Now that they I mean, if they just accept the

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Speaker 3: situation you're not going to beat the Maori Party and

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Speaker 3: leave them to the Marty seats. Doesn't this leave them

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Speaker 3: with the other option, which is the smarter option, which

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Speaker 3: attack a little bit more to the right try to

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Speaker 3: capture the center vote instead.

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Speaker 16: Well, yes, I mean Labor and National at one stage

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Speaker 16: were seen as almost inseparable. They were seen to parties.

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Speaker 5: But you know, in the.

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Speaker 16: Last three years of the Labor government, they've moved very

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Speaker 16: much to the left. So you know, it's not now

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Speaker 16: and it won't be seen and come the next election

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Speaker 16: as a center party, it'll be seen much more to

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Speaker 16: the left.

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Speaker 3: But so doesn't this because because there's a real struggle

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Speaker 3: going on in Labor between the people who want to

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Speaker 3: tack to the center and the people who want to

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Speaker 3: tack to left on the Maori issues in particular, doesn't

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Speaker 3: the strengthen the hand of those who want to go

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Speaker 3: to the center like I think Chippy does. And actually

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Speaker 3: and by just saying to Willy Willy, you're not going

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Speaker 3: to win them, let it go.

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Speaker 16: Well, yes, but it's not only the Maori Party of course,

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Speaker 16: it's you know, other factions in the Labor Party as well.

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Speaker 16: You mean the Marty Caucus, well, you know, the core,

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Speaker 16: because it's quite powerful in the in the party.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is Chippy can say to the mate,

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Speaker 3: you have no power, you're not going to whether he's got.

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Speaker 16: The influence to do that.

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Speaker 3: As another matter, yeah, well that's a very good point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is obviously idealistic. What did

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Speaker 3: you make of that opinion poll?

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Speaker 16: That's very interesting, isn't it that we see that if

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Speaker 16: there was an election tomorrow, which of course is not

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Speaker 16: going to be, but there would be a sixty sixty

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Speaker 16: one in terms of seat to the center left, so

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Speaker 16: you'd have the Marldi Party in certainly in the max

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Speaker 16: then for a coalition government led by Labor. But look,

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Speaker 16: I for the life of me can't see that these

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Speaker 16: poll numbers are going to hold up. I mean, Chris

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Speaker 16: Lax in this poll, he got a bit of a

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Speaker 16: lift last month. One point five percent is preferred prime minister,

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Speaker 16: but still at twenty one point seven percent is very

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Speaker 16: very low. And if you look at the margins in these,

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Speaker 16: you know the margin of era three percent, Well we're

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Speaker 16: talking when you say, you know the Labor Party is

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Speaker 16: ahead of the National Party, We're talking fractions of a percent.

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Speaker 16: So the margin of error is not even considered when

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Speaker 16: we're talking about this, which it should be. That you

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Speaker 16: can't really believe what the polls are telling you at

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Speaker 16: the moment.

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Speaker 3: Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it. Bary Soper, seenior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: are nine away from five putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers. The Mike asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 17: Minster, Chrystopal, Lux and joints of sixty six percent of

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Speaker 17: the government want out of Paris.

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Speaker 11: How do you handle that the coalition government has made

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Speaker 11: the correct assessment that actually, if you want to come

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Speaker 11: out of Paris, that is a mess of punishment to

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Speaker 11: our farmers and it's going to make all of the

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Speaker 11: Zealanders poor because a large multinational countries that.

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Speaker 16: We sell our products to, they're going to kick us

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Speaker 16: off our shelves.

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Speaker 5: The equally if it.

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Speaker 17: Wasn't for the farmers, because you reference trade here and

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Speaker 17: it's tied up in trade deals. But it's an exercise

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Speaker 17: in saving the planet.

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Speaker 5: It's not working. I mean that's just a statement of fact.

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Speaker 11: Well, I mean we are doing we are prioritizing economic

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Speaker 11: growth in this country.

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Speaker 17: So do you still believe in twenty fIF He's right

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Speaker 17: back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: the daff News Talk, said be.

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Speaker 3: Heather Stuart Nash. Finally the Charadians. I know, Paul, jeez,

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Speaker 3: we're all put out of our misery on Saturday, weren't we.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it got it just dragged on and on

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Speaker 3: and on with Stu flirting with Winston and Winston paying

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Speaker 3: him no attention whatsoever. And it got to the point

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Speaker 3: where I said to people, I said, I don't think

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Speaker 3: stusan think. I think he's done everything he can. He's

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Speaker 3: sucked up to Winston as much as possible. He's short

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Speaker 3: of buying him dinner and sending him flowers. It was

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Speaker 3: getting to that point I thought, no, I don't want him.

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Speaker 3: But then he popped up on Saturday. I thought, oh, yeay,

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Speaker 3: Winston has swiped right. Is that the way that you

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Speaker 3: swipe when you want them? You swipe right? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've been married the entire time that app has been out.

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Speaker 2: Is that the way?

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Speaker 5: Laura?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you know you're married? God only knows.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't know though anyway, Stu wash out anyway, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: they swiped right on each other and there they were,

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Speaker 3: they were having their first date. It was lovely. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later on because I was. I was,

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Speaker 3: just as you can imagine, absolutely thrilled from my friends

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Speaker 3: Stu that he's found long term love. Now Politic just

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Speaker 3: on that by election politic dot code on his head,

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Speaker 3: which is the of the website The Nerds, the political nerds.

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Speaker 3: Go To has made a very good point about what

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Speaker 3: happened in the Tamaki Makoto by election. What they've pointed

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Speaker 3: out is all the flash suburbs, like how we're in

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Speaker 3: Grafton because this electric catches these suburbs. Howick Grafton, Pakaranga

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Speaker 3: borderline flashman To's be honest, point, Chevalier. They all went

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Speaker 3: to the Labor Party, but all the normal people suburbs

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Speaker 3: like Henderson and Monaco and New Len and Kalston, they

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Speaker 3: all went to the Maori Party. Now Labour should be

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Speaker 3: worried about that when they look at that, because it's

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Speaker 3: very nice that you've got the nice suburbs, but that's

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Speaker 3: not really who your party is there to represent.

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Speaker 18: Right.

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Speaker 3: The Labor Party is historically the party of the working people.

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Speaker 3: That's literally in the name Labor. So they should be

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Speaker 3: chasing the working people, right, But they are losing the

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Speaker 3: working people, which means this is part of their problem.

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Speaker 3: They don't know what they stand for anymore. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: the old Chardonnay they're they're up against the Greens trying

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Speaker 3: to get the Chardonnay socialists in nice places like points

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Speaker 3: Chief of good luck to them, just really quickly before

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Speaker 3: we go to the news which is coming up shortly.

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Speaker 3: Did you see how the super funds doing The super

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Speaker 3: fund has beat its targets up eight point four billion

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Speaker 3: dollars in one year, generated a pre tax return of

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Speaker 3: eleven point eight four percent after costs. How good is

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Speaker 3: that making us the dollars? All right, Mark mature, Police minister.

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Speaker 3: Next on what we're going to do to try we

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Speaker 3: the police are going to do to try to get

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Speaker 3: those kids out of the bush. Tonight news talks.

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Speaker 1: By the only drive show you can try to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, We get the answers, find and give the

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Speaker 1: analysis either Dupisy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: the power of satellite mobile news dogs.

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Speaker 19: There be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Police are running out of daylight to find the two

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Speaker 3: youngest children of Tom Phillips. His twelve year old daughter

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Speaker 3: is understood to be with police. She was with Tom

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Speaker 3: Phillips when he was confronted by an officer this morning,

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Speaker 3: shot at the constable and was shot dead in response.

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Speaker 3: Police Minister Mark Mitchell is with me right now. How

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Speaker 3: much Hey afternoon, either any updated all on the kids?

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean just the fact that obviously it's good

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Speaker 20: to have one of the children in safe custody with

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Speaker 20: police and n ot you know, just a very tough,

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Speaker 20: tragic situation. Now with one of our police officers obviously

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Speaker 20: badly injured in the hospital undergo surgery. You know, Tom

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Speaker 20: Phillips obviously killed in that same incident. I think it

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Speaker 20: just highlighted for me, It just holted the fact that

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Speaker 20: I felt very strongly all along is that you know,

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Speaker 20: you're dealing with a very disturbed individual that had three

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Speaker 20: children in high powered firearms, and it made an extremely

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Speaker 20: difficult situation to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now the police are clearly searching in an area

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Speaker 3: where they think the kids are. Do you know how

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Speaker 3: big this area is?

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Speaker 20: No, I don't, but I know that they've got lots

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Speaker 20: of resources there. They've got the AOEC STG, they've got

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Speaker 20: every piece equipment that they need to make sure that

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Speaker 20: they locate and get these kids safely out of the

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Speaker 20: bush and looked after.

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Speaker 3: Has the daughter told them roughly where to look?

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Speaker 20: So I'm not going to say too much around what

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Speaker 20: information or what she's done because we're trying. We're not

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Speaker 20: going to talk about the kids too much, but.

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Speaker 3: That then so that they so we take the cat

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Speaker 3: out of it. Have they been told roughly.

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Speaker 20: Where to look, They have a rough idea, They've worked

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Speaker 20: out roughly where they need to look, They've got all

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Speaker 20: the resources in there. I've put a knife and no

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Speaker 20: fly zone in place obviously for obvious reasons. Look, I'm

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Speaker 20: very very confident that that will that the police will

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Speaker 20: find and recover those children safely.

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Speaker 3: What makes you so confident?

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Speaker 20: I just will number one world class police force. They'll

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Speaker 20: take their time, they'll be careful, they'll understand that it's

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Speaker 20: a very sensitive situation and they're going to prioritize the

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Speaker 20: safety of those kids, and they'll do whatever they need

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Speaker 20: to do to make sure they get them back safely.

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Speaker 3: Is there a chance or a risk that the kids DeCamp, Well.

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Speaker 20: There's always a risk with kids because kids are unpredictable

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Speaker 20: at the best of times, and obviously these kids have

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Speaker 20: been heavily influenced by Tom Phillips himself.

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Speaker 4: But I just know that our police will be very cautious.

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Speaker 20: As they always have been in this situation, and they'll

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Speaker 20: make sure that the children's welfare is put first and forefront.

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Speaker 4: And but I just I'm very confident our police.

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Speaker 20: I know how deep the capability is and I'm very

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Speaker 20: confident and I'll recover those children safely.

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Speaker 3: Is there a chance or a risk that somebody comes

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Speaker 3: to get the kids?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 20: Having you know, I think it's pretty clear that someone's

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Speaker 20: probably been helping him and assisting them over the time

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Speaker 20: that he's been at large with these with the kids.

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Speaker 20: But the police will have control of this of the

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Speaker 20: area now, they'll have cordons up. Like I said, there's

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Speaker 20: no fly zone. They've got all the police resource that

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Speaker 20: they need to be able to control that area. So

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Speaker 20: it would be very, very highly unlikely that anyone would

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Speaker 20: be able to get through that cordon.

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Speaker 3: How many people are the cops looking for, Well, they're.

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Speaker 20: Looking for the remaining children obviously, so you know that's

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Speaker 20: no one else. That's what's no, that's what they're folks.

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Speaker 4: At the moment.

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Speaker 20: They're full focus at the moment is just making sure

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Speaker 20: they recover those children safely.

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Speaker 3: Have we got the army in there? Are we thinking

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Speaker 3: about that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they've got the army in there.

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Speaker 20: If that, the army've obviously got specialist capability and the

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Speaker 20: police won't use the take to use that specialist capability.

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Speaker 20: If they need it in terms of equipment and things

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Speaker 20: like that. But all I know is that they've got

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Speaker 20: the specialist squads in there. They've got all the equipment

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Speaker 20: they need. They're very confident in the area that they're searching,

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Speaker 20: and they've got it corded and contained.

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Speaker 4: They're controlling it. They're going to be very cute about

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Speaker 4: making sure that they get those kids back safely.

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Speaker 3: Listen, they've got the infrared on the on the eagle.

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Speaker 3: Is that any good out in the bush?

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Speaker 11: It is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Inforex infrared is is very effective.

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Speaker 20: Without a doubt, and the guys and the eagle a

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Speaker 20: specialist official and using that technology. So you know, the

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Speaker 20: police will be using everything that they need to make

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Speaker 20: sure that they recover these children safely.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what the kids have been told to

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Speaker 3: do if the dad doesn't come back, Like, have they

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Speaker 3: been told to decampbell, go somewhere else or sit in place?

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Speaker 21: You know?

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Speaker 22: No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, we don't know.

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Speaker 20: I don't know any of that, and that neither would

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Speaker 20: that be a level of detail that I'd be briefed on.

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Speaker 20: All we know, obviously is that he's had them in

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Speaker 20: there for a long time. He's obviously you know, got

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Speaker 20: a lot of influence over them. He's probably the only

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Speaker 20: adult that they've really had much contact with. We can

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Speaker 20: see clearly the risks around dealing with him and the

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Speaker 20: high end the fact that he's got numerous firearms, and

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Speaker 20: so you know, the police will be treating it.

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Speaker 4: Like I said to you, that the priority is going

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Speaker 4: to be the safety of those kids.

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Speaker 20: And I've got very high levels of confidence of professional

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Speaker 20: deployment of our police officers and the way they'll deal

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Speaker 20: with us.

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Speaker 3: Mitch, Why did the police officer when they stopped their

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Speaker 3: car and saw Tom Phillips get out of the vehicle,

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Speaker 3: do we know yet?

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Speaker 20: No? And I never second police officers that are actually

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Speaker 20: you know, during an operation or when they're deployed, and

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Speaker 20: when they're making decisions quickly, and you know, and in

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Speaker 20: situations that often unfolding rapidly as well.

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Speaker 4: So although I know is that we've got a police

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Speaker 4: officer that.

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Speaker 20: Is badly injured, we are getting back, both myself and

876
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Speaker 20: the Commissioner getting home as quickly as we can. We

877
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Speaker 20: will be down there tomorrow with him and with the family,

878
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 20: and obviously we'll be getting a full briefing and update

879
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 20: in terms of where we are in recovery of the children.

880
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: Why was his boot open? Was he trying to get

881
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 3: a firearm?

882
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: I'm not going to speculate on that because that is

883
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: operational and.

884
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: I mean, given what was going on, was he armed.

885
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 20: Well again, I'm not going to be played on that

886
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 20: because that there will be an inquiry. There'll be two

887
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 20: or three internal inquiries. There'll be an ib C E quirry,

888
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 20: obviously a police internal inquiry, the coroner's inquiry, so you know,

889
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 20: all of that information will come out in due course.

890
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 20: I'm not going to speculate on that now because that

891
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 20: is operational. That's the guys. All i'd say is they've

892
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 20: done an outstanding job. You know, we've we've we've got tragically,

893
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 20: we've got one of our police officers of serious injuries.

894
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 20: It's in the forefront of my mind at the moment,

895
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 20: and also of course the recovery of the remaining children.

896
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, how many times are the cop shot? Have

897
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: you been told? Sorry, how many times was the police

898
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: officer shot?

899
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 20: No, so that that information I'm not going to make public.

900
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 20: All I know is that obviously he's undergoing surgery and in.

901
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: An involved shot, but with just one weapon or multiple.

902
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know. I don't know whether he was

903
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 4: whether it was one or multiple.

904
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 20: But you know, the important thing is that what we

905
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 20: do know is that he's he's been shot, he's in

906
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Speaker 20: a critical condition, and he's under given surgery. So you know,

907
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 20: we just want to make sure that we've got support

908
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 20: around him and his family that they need and his colleagues.

909
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: Of course, if the police haven't been able to track

910
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: these guys down in four years, why do you feel confident?

911
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: And I want you to basically need you to convince

912
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: me that they're going to be able to track these

913
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: kids down quickly. What makes you so confident?

914
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 20: Well, I just beck our police and we're very lucky

915
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 20: in our country that we've got one of.

916
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 4: The best, most professional services in the world.

917
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 20: I don't say that lightly, with lots of law enforcement

918
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Speaker 20: agencies around the world, and we've got some of the

919
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 20: best people, and they deeply care and take their jobs seriously.

920
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 20: They professionals, consumate professionals, and they'll be out there now

921
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 20: working hard to try and recover those children and do

922
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 20: that in a safe way. So you know, I just

923
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 20: say that, you know, don't keep people for rush to judgment.

924
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 20: The one thing that I would say, and what has

925
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Speaker 20: made this difficult in my mind, this situation, in my mind,

926
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Speaker 20: very very difficult, is that you've obviously got a disturbed

927
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Speaker 20: father that has got three children in high powered hunting

928
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Speaker 20: rifles and in the bush. And it is a very

929
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Speaker 20: difficult situation for anyone to deal with in terms of

930
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Speaker 20: making sure that you can recover those children safely. Now

931
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Speaker 20: he is in there, out of the picture, which means

932
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Speaker 20: that the police have got a really good chance and

933
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Speaker 20: will I have no doubt recover those children safely.

934
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Speaker 3: Mitch, thank you very much, and safe travels back. That's

935
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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell, police minister who's obviously over in Australia with

936
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Speaker 3: the Police Commissioner for the funeral of the officers over

937
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: in Australia who have been shot in unfortunately quite similar

938
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Speaker 3: circumstances sixteen past five. Right, so we have settled quite

939
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: a few myths, you know EV myths for you. Here

940
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: are a few more. Okay, you know how they say

941
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: that EV batteries are full of ill sourced conflict materials

942
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: like cobalt and dirty nickel from Indonesia. Wrong by D

943
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: batteries have no rare earth minerals in them. They've only

944
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: got lithium and they've got their own ethical and sustainable

945
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: lithium deposits for that, and then phares phosphate, which is

946
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: basically iron. They are one hundred percent recyclable and recoverable.

947
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: You know how they say that you can't fast charge

948
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: EV batteries to one hundred percent all of the time.

949
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: Wrong.

950
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: Bid batteries can be rapid charged all of the time

951
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: with no effect on the warranty. In fact, BYD has

952
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: invented flash charging, which is a thousand killo watts charging.

953
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: It fills the vehicle from empty to full in under

954
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: five minutes. In under five minutes. They got that in

955
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: China right now, It's coming to New Zealand soon. You

956
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: know that myth that Chinese evs are spying on us

957
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: well as a global company. BYD has an ironclad data

958
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: privacy processing commitment and in fact only stores vin and

959
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: email addresses for the app for Australia and New Zealand

960
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: and stores it in Sydney. And then finally they say

961
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: evs are expensive again wrong to celebrate a four hundred

962
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: percent year on year sales increase in New Zealand, BYD

963
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: has landed more stock of the Sharks six ut and

964
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: are offering four thousand dollars worth of accessories free for

965
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: a limited time, so check it out for yourself. Bid

966
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Speaker 3: auto dot co dot.

967
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Speaker 5: MZ forget do for Clan.

968
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Speaker 3: Nineteen past five. Now fifty officers are involved in searching

969
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: the area where they believe the children are. Lance Burdette

970
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Speaker 3: is a former police negotiator and investigator and with US

971
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Speaker 3: now Larnce, thanks very much for joining us, Hi, Heather,

972
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: how do you get two children to come out?

973
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Speaker 19: It's very difficult with children because they don't think logically.

974
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 19: And listening to Minister Mitchell there, he's right, we don't

975
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 19: know if they've made plans. Now after four years, I

976
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 19: suspect they have made plans that if there doesn't come home,

977
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 19: what they should do, And again that's unpredictable what they

978
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 19: will be doing. So in situations like this, it really is.

979
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 19: They will have hopefully a child psychologist there on hand

980
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 19: to talk to about child behavior and how their brain

981
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 19: thinks and stress situations. But they'll be afraid, they'll be worried,

982
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 19: they'll be panicking probably, and it really is, it's unpredictable.

983
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 19: They won't stick to tracks and trails like normal you know,

984
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 19: rational people ward So they could be all over the place,

985
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 19: so we just don't know. They could also be hunkering down,

986
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 19: which hopefully that.

987
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: Is the case.

988
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: Jill Rogers said, they have got enough resources, which made

989
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: me feel reasonably confident. They think that they've got this

990
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: in hand, did it you.

991
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does.

992
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 19: Fifty is a good number for something like that's thirty

993
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 19: five is a really good number. Are too many officers

994
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 19: actually get in the way of each other and so

995
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 19: having they'll have somebody from Search and riskul how they've

996
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 19: got search and rescue experts, they've got human behaviorists, they'll

997
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 19: have the Advanced Police Negotiation Team there, and they'll have

998
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 19: lots and lots of resources and ability to keep the

999
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 19: area contained and use experts. Most of the expertises within police.

1000
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 19: They don't need them, necessarily need the military unless there's

1001
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 19: the piece of equipment not missing.

1002
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: What happens if the worst case scenario plays out on

1003
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: one of these children or both of these children.

1004
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 19: Picks up a gun, well you just take it as

1005
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 19: it comes. But you know, if somebody confronts the police

1006
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 19: officer with a firearm, the automatic training is to go

1007
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 19: and to use the firearm and that event so training

1008
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 19: will kick in, but hopefully that doesn't look at that stage.

1009
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: Listen, thanks very much. I do appreciate your expertise. It's

1010
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: Lance burd At, former police negotiator and investigator. Right, let's

1011
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: deal with Stuart Nash, Big news over the weekend. Touch

1012
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: on him next five twenty two on.

1013
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

1014
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: car on your drive home. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive

1015
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile

1016
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: news talks.

1017
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: That'd be Heather, what is the risk of the kids

1018
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: being armed and trained by Tom and what to do

1019
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: if law enforcement approaches John. I think you probably are

1020
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: asking that question because you know the answer to it,

1021
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: which is quite a high risk, isn't it, which is

1022
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: why they're going in with the aos. I'm sad to

1023
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: say five twenty five now, Stuart Nash turning up at

1024
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 3: the conference over the weekend, that was quite a cop

1025
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: for New Zealand First. Now, clearly what New Zealand First

1026
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: is trying to do is emulate what reform in the

1027
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: UK is doing. This is a Nigel Faraja's party. If

1028
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: you've been following what they're up to. They have had

1029
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: a huge number of politicians defect to Reform and every

1030
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: single time it happens, the news media covers it and

1031
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 3: it makes Reform look like the party with the momentum.

1032
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: That is what New Zealand First is trying to do.

1033
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: That's why you had both Stuart Nash, formerly of Labor

1034
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: and Hardeza hippung Or formerly of National at the conference

1035
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 3: over the weekend. Now, despite the circumstances of Stuart leaving Parliament,

1036
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: he's actually a really big defection from Labor because he's

1037
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: a very capable politician. He managed to turn Napier into

1038
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: a red seat in twenty fourteen, which was despite the

1039
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: popularity of the Key government at the time. He was

1040
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: one of the few ministers in the Arderne administration that

1041
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: voters on the right actually had time for. And I

1042
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 3: think that's because he's a proper centrist in the Labor Party,

1043
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: not crazy left like a lot of them, Mark a

1044
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: little bit more to the right, which is why he's

1045
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: probably going to find a better home for himself in

1046
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: New Zealand First than the Labour Party of twenty twenty five. Now,

1047
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: if I don't know if Labor realizes what they've lost

1048
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: with Stuart Nash leaving. I mean, of course he's really

1049
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: been out of Labor since the moment Chippy fired him.

1050
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: But I don't think they even realized then what they'd lost,

1051
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: because they haven't replaced him. And what I mean by

1052
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: that is they haven't gone looking for another true centrist politician.

1053
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: Back in the days, the Labour Party had heaps of them.

1054
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: May they had Phil Goff, David Shearer, Richard plet just

1055
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: going back through time, Richard Preble, Roger Douglas, Mike Moore.

1056
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't that unusual to have a good little centrist

1057
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: alrighty sitting in the Labor Party. Now, name one for me.

1058
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: I mean you might have once been able to say Chippy,

1059
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: but he's allowed himself to be pulled so far to

1060
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: the left. I'm not sure you could call him a

1061
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 3: centrist anymore.

1062
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 23: Now.

1063
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: You cannot as a Labor Party win over the center

1064
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: voter if you do not have politicians that the center

1065
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: voter likes. And Stuart Nash I think was probably the

1066
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: last one of them. I would say total coup for

1067
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: New Zealand.

1068
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Speaker 5: First ever du for see Ellen.

1069
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 24: Oh well, I mean what were.

1070
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: We talking about last week people acting badly on camera,

1071
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: and we've got another case of it. You will have

1072
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: seen this one. This is Karen of Philly, of the Phillies.

1073
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: She was she was not stokes right that she didn't

1074
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: get the ball. You'll have seen this. So the ball

1075
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: gets hit into the stands. She goes over to grab it,

1076
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: but a bloke runs over grabs it for son. He's

1077
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: being a dick, but then she's a dick about it. Anyway,

1078
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: he has he has explained what happened.

1079
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 18: Went into like an empty seat and like it did

1080
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 18: like a quick bible and saddled, And as it saddled,

1081
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 18: I grabbed it. And when I went to pull away,

1082
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 18: other hands came in. But I had already turned around

1083
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 18: and headed towards him, and I didn't look back.

1084
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: You knew what was coming behind you. Anyway, it worked

1085
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: out okay in the end, because the team gave the

1086
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: son a bag of merch and you know, signed a

1087
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: bat firm and stuff, so he ended up happy. Lots

1088
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Speaker 3: of rumors on the internet about who Karen actually is

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Speaker 3: and whether she's been fired. At the stage, we do

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Speaker 3: not know if Karen has been fired from her job,

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Speaker 3: but Given the way that this plays out, it's probably

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Speaker 3: gonna happen at some stage, isn't it. Anyway. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: to the PPTA next, and then the huddler is with

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Speaker 3: us News talks.

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Speaker 25: He'd be.

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Speaker 5: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 5: He'd be.

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Speaker 3: All right, listen to. The police have just announced they're

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Speaker 3: going to be holding another press conference in the next

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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. I'm taking that as a reasonably positive sign

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Speaker 3: that there are some developments, like they've tracked down the children,

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Speaker 3: or they've got the children or something like that. So

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Speaker 3: stand by because we are going to be bringing that

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Speaker 3: to you live. We're going to go to the huddle shortly.

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willis is with us after six o'clock first up though,

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Speaker 3: twenty five to six at the moment. Let's deal with

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Speaker 3: what's going on with the teachers now. The government's almost

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Speaker 3: doubled its payoffer to secondary school teachers. They're now being

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Speaker 3: offered a pay rise of two and a half percent,

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Speaker 3: then another two a year later. But they want to

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Speaker 3: increase the number of days that teachers can be called

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Speaker 3: and outside of term time, and remove the right to

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Speaker 3: reimbursement for childcare and mileage. PPTA President Chris Abercrombie is

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Speaker 3: with us hig Chris good I'm well, thank you do

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Speaker 3: not like this deal.

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Speaker 26: It still doesn't meet the major issues at the heart

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Speaker 26: of it, that need for salaries, condition to keep skilled

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Speaker 26: and experience teachers in the job, and to lead schools

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Speaker 26: and students through the government's changes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so basically, in a nutshell, not enough pay.

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Speaker 5: It's not just pay, but I mean that that's not enough.

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Speaker 26: It's still below inflation. But there's a whole heab of

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Speaker 26: areas admin addressed our concerns around pastoral care, concerns around

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Speaker 26: curriculum support, and all of those.

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Speaker 3: Areas the potential development the curriculum.

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Speaker 5: Well curriculum support.

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Speaker 26: So there's nothing in there for our head to department,

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Speaker 26: the people that are effectively going to be implementing or

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Speaker 26: leading the curriculum implementation and assessment implication in our scholls.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing in this for them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how do you feel about them? Morning To increase

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Speaker 3: the number of days that teachers can be called in

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Speaker 3: outside of term time, I.

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Speaker 26: Think with that in the combination of removing the re embarrassments.

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Speaker 26: It's not actually helpful and won't again solve the problems

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Speaker 26: we're trying to address.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're going to advise your members to reject this, Yes.

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Speaker 4: We are, yep.

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Speaker 5: So now our national executive is recommended to be rejected.

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Speaker 26: But members, obviously teachers can vote any way they want,

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Speaker 26: but that is the recommendation from executive.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: And do you think that your members majority will support

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Speaker 3: you in your position?

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Speaker 5: I think so.

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Speaker 26: So one of the conversations I have have we had

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Speaker 26: to see your teachers and continue to have, is that

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Speaker 26: this doesn't meet what they need, what they see happening

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Speaker 26: every single day in schools.

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Speaker 3: All right, Chris listen, thanks very much, really appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: Chris Abercrombie, PPTA President. Look what we're going to do

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Speaker 3: is we're going to take a break now go to

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Speaker 3: the huddle because we're just trying to make sure that

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Speaker 3: we're there live for it when the police take the

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Speaker 3: press conference. So we'll take a break back with you

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Speaker 3: shortly coming up twelve away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your one

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Speaker 1: of a kind.

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Speaker 3: Just the reminder of the police are holding a press

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Speaker 3: conference again in ten minutes time on Tom Phillips and

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Speaker 3: the kids, So we will be bringing you that live.

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Speaker 3: Tris Sherson and Josephgania with us on the huddle this evening.

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Speaker 3: Hello you too, Hello, Hello Trish. What did you make

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Speaker 3: of the Tom Phillips The way this has played out?

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Speaker 3: Today's really grim and sad, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Horrible? Tragic? But unfortunately probably if we'd looked at Tom

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Speaker 2: phillips behavior over the you know, particularly over the last

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Speaker 2: few months, it was probably predictable. From here, my ask

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Speaker 2: is this, these kids did not ask to be dragged

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Speaker 2: into this. They were very small children at the time,

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Speaker 2: and I think from here we need to protect these

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Speaker 2: kids and their futures. So my ask would be not

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Speaker 2: to splash these kids in their faces all over the media.

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Speaker 2: My ask would be if there's footage of the kids

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Speaker 2: coming out, that it's pixelated. These kids will have to

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Speaker 2: live with what's online about them from here, and they

1179
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Speaker 2: are going to have a hell of a road to

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Speaker 2: re integrate back. They are probably in a really difficult state,

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Speaker 2: and so that would be my ask from here that

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Speaker 2: we should really now think about protecting the kids and

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Speaker 2: their identity, because the pressure that would come on them

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Speaker 2: from having their faces splashed around is going to add

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Speaker 2: to what they have to work through and live with

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Speaker 2: for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a really good point, Ajoc.

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Speaker 27: And it's been extraordinary that it's taken nearly four years

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Speaker 27: for this to come to an almost inevitable conclusion. I mean,

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Speaker 27: you know Tom Phillips had guns. We knew he had guns.

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Speaker 27: There are children there. Inevitably at some point a gun's

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Speaker 27: going to go off, right, and that that was always

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Speaker 27: the fear. And I think that explains when you look

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Speaker 27: at it and you think, how could the police not

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Speaker 27: found them sooner? I think the explanation is that that

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Speaker 27: combination of kids, guns, and an unstable father was just

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Speaker 27: an awful potential situation just waiting to go off. So

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Speaker 27: I mean, go your heart goes out to the cop.

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Speaker 27: I mean, we've probably all got cop friends. I've got

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Speaker 27: a mother whose son is a cop. You know, you

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Speaker 27: just think you know this cops who is in hospital

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Speaker 27: stable condition, but you know been shot multiple times.

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Speaker 18: In the head.

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Speaker 27: I mean, you're absolutely right, Trisha, and I think it's

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Speaker 27: going to be really hard to guarantee that. I mean,

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Speaker 27: there's just so much interest in this story, but you know,

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Speaker 27: those kids are gonna They're just going to face an uphill.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes I think that we have to put our

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Speaker 2: own sort of not prurient interests, but their curiosity. There

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Speaker 2: is no public interest in showing these kids over time.

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking back today too, famous sort of

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Speaker 2: cases of young people who kind of were wrapped up

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Speaker 2: in a story that the nation became focused on. I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking of the Ingham Twins way back on the day

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Speaker 2: because I worked on that with the Homes program. Those

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Speaker 2: girls really had a much tougher time because the media

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Speaker 2: were focused on them. And remember, these kids are minor minors.

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Speaker 2: These kids aren't even teenagers yet, and as I say,

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Speaker 2: this is all out of their control. So I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, that would be for all of us interested

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Speaker 2: in this, covering it, editors, whatever, I think, thinking about

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Speaker 2: those kids and where to from here has got to

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Speaker 2: be the big thing. And I also agree with Josie,

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Speaker 2: a massive shout out to that cop. You know, I

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Speaker 2: grew up in a very rural community. Often cops go

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Speaker 2: out in the middle of the night to very remote areas.

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Speaker 2: They do an amazing job. So you know, obviously all

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Speaker 2: good wishes go out to that policeman and his family.

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Speaker 3: I really hope he gets better soon, really quickly. What

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Speaker 3: do you think, Josie, Am?

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Speaker 15: I am?

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Speaker 23: I am?

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Speaker 3: I being weird about Stuart Nashal. Is it just because

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Speaker 3: I like him? Or is it a coup?

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Speaker 27: What we all like Stu and it is the best

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Speaker 27: not kept secret. I mean, it was no secret that,

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Speaker 27: as you said, flirting with New Zealand first, and Winston

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Speaker 27: shameless shamelessly.

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Speaker 3: Honestly short of taking his top off and showing off,

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Speaker 3: showing off his back.

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Speaker 2: He's done before.

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Speaker 27: Don't give him an excuse to take his shirt off.

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Speaker 27: But I do think, to be serious, I think he's

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Speaker 27: got you know, when you look at him in government, forestry,

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Speaker 27: he's got stuff he wants to do around crime, policing.

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Speaker 27: These are things he feels are unfinished and I can understand.

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Speaker 27: And look, I mean, I feel you're talking about being

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Speaker 27: a sort of center left person and politician. I feel

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Speaker 27: like I'm in the center left, and I think the

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Speaker 27: center can be really radical, and I feel like people

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Speaker 27: like me and perhaps Stuart to have been excommunicated for.

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Speaker 3: Labour Party, they don't even realize what a lot it

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Speaker 3: is to lose you. People likes you and.

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Speaker 27: You yeah, and I will go to overseas conferences where

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Speaker 27: it's sort of you know, labor parties and social democratic

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Speaker 27: parties and so on, and I'm sitting there on a

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Speaker 27: panel with the likes of Kistarma and whatever, and I'm thinking,

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Speaker 27: no question whatsoever that I belong in the labor movement here.

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Speaker 27: Oh you know, I mean I wrote a column about

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Speaker 27: it this week. I've got attacked by Media Watch and

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Speaker 27: Aaron Z for being what was that? Something like crotchety

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Speaker 27: and conservative opinions ostensibly less. It's like, try to tell

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Speaker 27: you audience that I'm I'm conservative and ostensively.

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Speaker 3: If she did not answer the question, Trish, have I

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Speaker 3: got weird about stew or is it actually a coup?

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Speaker 3: It's a coup, I thank you.

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Speaker 2: I do think it's a coup for New Zealand. First,

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Speaker 2: you know what I love about Stuart. Now some people

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Speaker 2: would describe it as hutzpah. Other people would describe it

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Speaker 2: as having more more front than a rat with a

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Speaker 2: gold tooth. There's just something really likable about Stu. I

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Speaker 2: also equal parts fascinated and sort of you know, dumb

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Speaker 2: struck by people who just can't get politics out of

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Speaker 2: their system and they want to go back. But to

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Speaker 2: Josie's point, I think it's another blow for Labor in

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Speaker 2: a weekend when they have had another schooling on the

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Speaker 2: fact that they have lost their core constituency. So the

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Speaker 2: loss for them in the Tama Chemikodo by election, and

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Speaker 2: as you pointed out, that loss came particularly from the

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Speaker 2: working class suburbs. That to me is going to do

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Speaker 2: two things. One is, hopefully it sends Labor thinking harder

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Speaker 2: about the fact that they cannot just coast to the

1283
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Speaker 2: next election. But number two, the fact that they have

1284
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Speaker 2: read really lost touch and lost their way. And I

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Speaker 2: think if anything, that by election is probably going to

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Speaker 2: be a call to action about Chris Hipkins's future as leader.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe, hey, hey, I've got to stop, You've got

1288
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Speaker 3: to just take a break, because just a remind us

1289
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Speaker 3: we're going to take a break of the girls. They

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Speaker 3: will stay with us, but just reminded the police are

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Speaker 3: calling a press conference in three minutes time. On Tom

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Speaker 3: Phillips So stand by thirteen to six.

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Speaker 3: Right right your back with News TALKSZB. We just back

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Speaker 3: with the huddle, standing by for the police press conference.

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Speaker 3: As soon as they front up for the cameras, we

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Speaker 3: will break to it. So you know, don't worry, you're

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Speaker 3: not going to miss out on anything. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: Tris Jerson and JOSEPHEGANI is with us. Josie I interrupted

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Speaker 3: you you wanted to say something about the by election. Well, so, yes,

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Speaker 3: it's bad for Labor.

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Speaker 27: I mean they failed to get the vote out, right,

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Speaker 27: so there was literally about I think twenty percent of

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Speaker 27: forty four thousand eligible voters. That's about that's that's almost

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Speaker 27: half the number who came out in the election. Now, yes,

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00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 27: by elections, the vote numb always goes down. But you

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Speaker 27: know you'd also say Labor and party Marti failed to

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Speaker 27: get a big vote out, So that's not a resounding.

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Speaker 3: Positive.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 28: Listen, as I said at the earlier briefing this afternoon,

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Speaker 28: we would provide you further information as soon as we

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Speaker 28: knew anything else. And I can tell you with great

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Speaker 28: relief this evening that soon after four point thirty today

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Speaker 28: we've located Tom phillips remaining children. They've been found in

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Speaker 28: a camp site not far from here, further up the

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Speaker 28: Tianga Road, and they are with police officers now and

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Speaker 28: being removed from that location. I can confirm that the

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Speaker 28: children are well and uninjured, and they will be taken

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Speaker 28: to a location this evening for medical che I want

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Speaker 28: to acknowledge the people who've worked on the ground today

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Speaker 28: and those that have been part of this difficult and

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Speaker 28: taxing investigation for the four years that Tom Phillips and

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Speaker 28: his children have remained outstanding. I have with me this

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Speaker 28: evening Detective Senior Sergeant Andy Saunders, who has led this

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Speaker 28: investigation and acknowledged the complexity and the difficult circumstances in

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Speaker 28: which we have had to investigate this matter. Today's outcome

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Speaker 28: is not the one that we wanted. Our thoughts are

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Speaker 28: with all of those involved, and especially our injured colleague

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Speaker 28: who still remains in surgery in White Cuttle Hospital. I

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Speaker 28: can confirm that Commissioner Chambers is on his way back

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Speaker 28: from Melbourne this evening and he will be on the

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Speaker 28: ground here in the White Cuttle first thing tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 28: I can also confirm that the meaning where the children

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Speaker 28: were located will be guarded overnight and a full forensic

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Speaker 28: examination will form part of our investigative work in the

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Speaker 28: days to come.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 10: You mentioned the discovery of those two children. Were they

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Speaker 10: with anyone else?

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Speaker 28: They were by themselves.

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Speaker 29: What was the nature of the encounter, was their aggression,

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Speaker 29: was their concern with their fear? How were they when

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Speaker 29: they came across them.

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Speaker 28: We've come across them in the area that we were

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Speaker 28: identified as being a probable location in which we could

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Speaker 28: find them, and we've had communication with them and we've

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Speaker 28: safely engaged with them and they are now with our

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Speaker 28: police officers.

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Speaker 10: Would you describe their demeanor when you approach them.

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Speaker 5: They've been cooperative.

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Speaker 24: Have they been told about any.

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Speaker 28: I don't know that detail at the moment.

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Speaker 5: Can you give us any more information about the cabsite?

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Speaker 8: No, not at this stage. All I know that it

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Speaker 8: is further up. It's the younger road here.

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Speaker 5: Is it a commercial side or.

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Speaker 25: No.

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Speaker 28: It's very remote. It's taken our staff sometimes to walk

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Speaker 28: into it. This morning, following information that we were provided

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Speaker 28: earlier in the.

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Speaker 22: Day, police have obviously said many times in the past

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Speaker 22: that you have thought others in the community may have

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Speaker 22: been supporting Tom Phillips throughout this time.

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Speaker 10: Are there still people in the community you want to

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Speaker 10: talk to about this That will all.

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Speaker 28: Form part of the ongoing investigation. But today, as I said,

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Speaker 28: it's with a great sense of relief that we have

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Speaker 28: relocated those children and they are now going to receive

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Speaker 28: the care that they need.

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Speaker 10: Has the mother of the children been advised of the places?

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Speaker 28: We have notified the mother and Tom Phillips's parents as well.

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Speaker 29: Was it the other sibling that gave you the information

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Speaker 29: that led you to the discovery of this cameray?

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Speaker 28: They have provided information that has been crucial in narrowing

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Speaker 28: our search boundaries. This afternoon.

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Speaker 29: Were there any weapons, any firearms at camps? I'm not

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Speaker 29: worried about that way.

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Speaker 28: Yes, we have always been concerned about that. Those details

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Speaker 28: will form part of the investigation. As you'll understand, it's

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Speaker 28: very early. We wanted to update you this evening on

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Speaker 28: the news and that examination will take place over the

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Speaker 28: coming days as where we review that camp site.

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Speaker 22: And just one other thought, You've always said throughout that

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Speaker 22: there's been this huge concern for the welfare of the

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Speaker 22: children and great concern around the country about what would

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Speaker 22: happen to them. What can you say to New Zealanders

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Speaker 22: who are wondering, how are these children now going.

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Speaker 5: To be cared for?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, so they will have medical examinations today and we

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Speaker 28: will work very closely with our partners at Ordering a

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Speaker 28: Tamadiki to ensure that they receive all of the support

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Speaker 28: that they require at this very difficult time.

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Speaker 22: Can you say anything about whether or not members of

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Speaker 22: the Phillips family and the mother's family will be involved

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Speaker 22: in the ongoing care of them.

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Speaker 28: That's not for me to comment on at this stage.

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Speaker 3: Was any information them by the public that helped other

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Speaker 3: than the child that was found earlier.

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Speaker 28: We are very grateful for the information we received from

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Speaker 28: the public this morning that supported our offices in their

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Speaker 28: initial event as it unfolded this morning. These are small, rural,

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Speaker 28: tight knit communities. They look after our people and we're

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Speaker 28: very grateful for the support that they provided this morning.

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Speaker 10: Thank thank you very much, thank you, thank you, thank

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Speaker 10: you very much.

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Speaker 3: All Right, that was Jill Rodgers, the acting Deputy Police Commissioner.

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Speaker 3: So just to update you on everything that we know

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Speaker 3: from that. So the children were found at full thirty

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Speaker 3: and yes, that is before we spoke to Mark Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: They were found at a camp. It looks like the

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Speaker 3: older sister told police where to go to find the others. Well,

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Speaker 3: they're uninjured, they were cooperative. They have been taken for

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Speaker 3: medical checks. It's not clear at the stage as to

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Speaker 3: whether they even know that their father is dead or

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Speaker 3: have been told. The police will guard the scene overnight,

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Speaker 3: do some investigations there. Richie Chambers, the Police Commissioner, is

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Speaker 3: en route from Australia and will be there on the

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Speaker 3: ground first thing tomorrow morning. And I would imagine that

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Speaker 3: given the massive interest nationally in the story but also internationally,

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Speaker 3: I can imagine that there will be more press conferences

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Speaker 3: tomorrow as well. Now, Nicola Willis Finance, can I just

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Speaker 3: take a moment to say thank you to our huddle

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Speaker 3: this evening. They were wonderful. Triusharson obviously, and Joseph Beganni

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis Finance Minister is going to be with us

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Speaker 3: as usual on a Monday after six o'clock news talk,

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Speaker 3: said b.

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Speaker 5: I go too. I'm thinking strong and singing.

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Speaker 1: From here, keeping where the money is flowing. The Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Heather dup Clean and Mass for insurance.

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Speaker 5: Investments and Kiwi Saver You're in good hands. News talks

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Speaker 5: that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up for the next hour. Shane Solley

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Speaker 3: on some disappointing Chinese data, Charma, Bill Yakeb on where

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Speaker 3: the Winston Peter's Kiwi save her idea as in like

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Speaker 3: make a compulsory put it at ten percent and you

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01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: get tax cut, whether that can work. And then Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray on the UK government popping the illegal migrants into

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Speaker 3: the army barracks seven past six and with us right

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Speaker 3: now we have Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. High Nikola, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 3: you've been watching the Tom Philip stuff like everybody else.

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Speaker 24: Ah, yeah, it's just been so harrowing to watch, just

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01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 24: thinking of those poor kids in the bush and what

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Speaker 24: they've gone through. I'm so glad they've been found.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but a men's relief, amense relief that they've been.

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Speaker 24: Found, amense relief, and just terrible to think of what

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01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 24: they will have been through and the recovery from here.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, what do you think of New Zealand First's

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Speaker 3: ki We save idea?

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Speaker 24: Well, look, every serious political Party between now and the

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 24: next election, I think will have to come up with

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Speaker 24: a policy on superannuation because superannuation costs in New Zealand

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01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 24: are rising dramatically. Is a share of our economy twenty

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Speaker 24: five billion now rising to twenty nine billion in just

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Speaker 24: three years. So I can understand why New Zealand First

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Speaker 24: is contemplating the role of key we saver. I guess

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Speaker 24: the curious bit was that they said the contributions would

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Speaker 24: be offset by tax cuts. Back at the envelope, that

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Speaker 24: would be around fifteen billion dollars worth of tax cuts

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Speaker 24: a year. So for context, our tax package that we

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Speaker 24: delivered after the election was three point seven billion, so

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Speaker 24: that is a hair g of a lighter tax cut.

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Speaker 24: So the question then becomes, how do you fund that?

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Speaker 24: And if you're adding that on to the cost of

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Speaker 24: consult compulsory super how does it all add up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you probably don't jump out. I mean it sounds

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Speaker 3: like it might be a bit wild, the tax cut idea,

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Speaker 3: But what about the idea of making it compulsory. Are

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Speaker 3: you into that?

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Speaker 21: Well?

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Speaker 24: I think every New Zealander does make a compulsory contribution

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Speaker 24: to their super right now, because we have a universal

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Speaker 24: pension scheme, which means that when you hit sixty five,

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Speaker 24: you get SUPER and we all fund that through our taxes.

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Speaker 24: And so the point that you're making Key we Save

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Speaker 24: a compulsory as well. I think the next question you

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Speaker 24: have to ask is is this intended as an addition

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Speaker 24: to Super and offset to Super? Because quite legitimately, there

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Speaker 24: are some families right now who choose not to contribute

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Speaker 24: to key we Savor because they're choosing to pay down

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Speaker 24: their mortgage or they have really pressing concerns in their

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Speaker 24: household budget. So you're also making them pay tax. They're saying,

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Speaker 24: I can't afford these compulsory contributions, and why should I

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Speaker 24: when I'm already going to get Super when I'm sixty five.

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Speaker 24: So I think you have to work through all of

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Speaker 24: those questions.

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Speaker 3: See point What about the idea of getting it to

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Speaker 3: ten percent given that over in Auseot's twelve.

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Speaker 24: Well, I understand that what New Zealand First are proposing

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Speaker 24: is actually ten plus ten, so ten from the employee

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Speaker 24: and ten from the employer, so that's twenty compared to

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Speaker 24: Australia's twelve. Look, I obviously support increasing contributions to Key

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Speaker 24: we Saver, when New Zealanders want to make them, which

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Speaker 24: is why in the budget we set out a path

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Speaker 24: to increase contributions from three to four matched by employers.

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Speaker 24: And I think that that is positive for helping key

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Speaker 24: We's build up their savings. But at twenty percent, look,

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Speaker 24: I'd have to talk to Winston about why he thinks

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Speaker 24: New Zealanders should be saving almost twice as much as

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Speaker 24: Ossie's when Ossies, of course, do not have a universal

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Speaker 24: pension scheme at all. Only a small number of Australians

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Speaker 24: get state funded pension support.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I was talking to Simon Watt's about this ree Paris,

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Speaker 3: and I really don't have an answer to this yet,

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Speaker 3: so I'm hoping you might have you guys done the

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01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: numbers on how much it would cost us as an

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Speaker 3: economy to pull out of Paris.

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Speaker 24: No, not that I understand specifically. What we do know

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Speaker 24: is that number of our trading partners view our participation

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Speaker 24: in Paris as really important. So if they saw that

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Speaker 24: we weren't taking action as good global citizens on climate change,

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Speaker 24: that could put some of our free trade and danger.

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Speaker 3: And that said to us, it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: He was like, look, it's a possibility, but it's it's

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Speaker 3: probably not going to happen, as the vibe I got

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Speaker 3: from him. But so we don't know how much it's

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Speaker 3: going to cost us to pull out. Have we done

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Speaker 3: the numbers on how much it's costing the economy to

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Speaker 3: stay in?

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Speaker 24: Well, obviously we've set out a five year a mission

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01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 24: reduction plan that gets us closer to our net zero target,

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Speaker 24: and that's partly funded through the emissions trading scheme and

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Speaker 24: some other initiatives. That's affordable within our current budget settings.

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Speaker 24: The problem with the National Development Contribution, which is the Paris.

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Speaker 3: I'm not referring to as I'm not referring to that.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the economic cost of being part of Paris. Right,

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Speaker 3: So things like, for example, we are planting trees instead

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Speaker 3: of you know, doing sheep and beef, and we're fullgoing

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Speaker 3: economic returns as a result of that. Have you guys

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Speaker 3: quantified that the burden that we're taking on by being

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Speaker 3: part of Paris? And the reason I'm asking Okay, so

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Speaker 3: the reason I'm asking you this question is because we

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01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: keep getting told, oh, it's going to cost us more

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Speaker 3: if we pull out then if we stay in. But

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01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 3: maybe it actually costs us more to stay.

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Speaker 24: In Well, the reality is that we are an agricultural

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Speaker 24: nation for whom one and four jobs depend on our exports.

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Speaker 24: So the point we lose market access and we can't

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Speaker 24: access consumers for our export products, that is an economy

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Speaker 24: change that I know that, far larger than I think.

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Speaker 3: There are other markets.

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Speaker 4: You know that.

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Speaker 3: But all I'm saying is, let's be rational about this.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: We might be chasing five dollars worth of returns, but

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Speaker 3: paying fifteen dollars is an economy to do it, and

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Speaker 3: that's stupid.

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Speaker 24: We don't know and rationally and rationally, what I'm saying

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Speaker 24: to you is the chances that the cost of participating

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Speaker 24: in emission reduction are larger than one in four jobs

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 24: and the economy is next to zero. And the point

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Speaker 24: that I was going to make earlier is the problem

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01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 24: with the Paris commitment is James Shore committed us to

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 24: far larger commitments internationally than we have in our domestic

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Speaker 24: law here at home. So zero Carbon Act, which is

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Speaker 24: us progressively slowly reducing emissions, that's all achievable, and we've

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Speaker 24: actually set out a plan to do it. The problem

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Speaker 24: is he went completely over the top with the undertakings

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Speaker 24: we then made through that NBC and that's real, that's

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Speaker 24: the real issue here.

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Speaker 3: You're surprised, Hey, listen on the Auckland entsification debate. Are

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01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 3: you guys going to have Are you guys going to

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Speaker 3: have to give Auckland Council a little bit more time

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Speaker 3: to be able to decide what to do here, because

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Speaker 3: they're on a really tight time frame.

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Speaker 24: I don't think so. They're actually at the start of

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Speaker 24: a process of consultation and we've given Auckland Council what

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Speaker 24: they wanted, which is they said they should make their

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Speaker 24: own choices about where and how they grow housing.

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Speaker 3: Been telling me it's really bloody fast.

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Speaker 24: Well, they've still got choice and flexibility. They're still out

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Speaker 24: there consulting. It's the start of appro and you're seeing

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Speaker 24: that public consultation taking place.

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Speaker 3: So are you guys prepared to give them a little

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Speaker 3: bit more flexibility? Allah what David Seymore was arguing, Well.

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Speaker 24: They already have huge flexibility. They've asked for flexibility about

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Speaker 24: medium density standards, they've completely changed those. They've asked for

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Speaker 24: flexibility about where intensification occurs, and they've made really deliberate

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Speaker 24: choices on a community by community basis. They've been given

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Speaker 24: flexibility about whether or not they allow for greenfield housing

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Speaker 24: development or not, so they have huge amounts of choice.

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Speaker 24: This is the plan that Auckland wanted, which was instead

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Speaker 24: of central government saying here's where you should allow for

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Speaker 24: more housing, we've essentially said to Auckland, you do it

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Speaker 24: where you think it makes sense, except that where there

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Speaker 24: are major public transport developments ie City rail loop, you

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Speaker 24: should be doing some intensification there. And they've agreed. So

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Speaker 24: this is a pretty flexible approach.

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Speaker 23: Brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Hey listen, thank you very much, Nicole. I appreciate it

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Speaker 3: as always it Nichola Willis Finance Minister quarter.

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Speaker 1: macro micro or just plain economics, it's all on the

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Speaker 3: Hi, Heather, So the States love our beef and they

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01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: are out of Paris. Do you really think they're gonna

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Speaker 3: penalize us. No, of course not no, of course, Craig,

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Speaker 3: what about though? I mean, the States is not our

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Speaker 3: only market, though it is worth considering and I do, Geez,

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Speaker 3: I will tell you what. I went to the Rugby

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Speaker 3: got to tell you this Yank now parks this, Yan

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Speaker 3: parks this Yan. I'm going to tell you about Grant Grant,

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Speaker 3: the MP from Northland. He's gonna wear it now for this.

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Speaker 3: Let me just write this down Grant. That's to remind

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Speaker 3: baby brain to tell you that.

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Speaker 24: Yan.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say, though? What about Simon Watts? The

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Speaker 3: other week? Last week? Was it on Friday? BT was

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Speaker 3: on Thursday?

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Speaker 16: Thursday? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Ge time flies? What about Simon? I was like, Simon,

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Speaker 3: have you done the numbers on whether it costs us

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Speaker 3: more to get out or stay? And yeah, we've done

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Speaker 3: the numbers. Yeah, we've done the numbers. Asking Nickle, have

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Speaker 3: you done the numbers? No, we haven't done the numbers,

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Speaker 3: Simon whatever. Nineteen past six, Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management

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Speaker 3: is with us. Hello Shane, Hello Heather. So the US

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01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 3: non farm payrolls data was a bit weak on Friday?

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Speaker 3: Howd the markets react?

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Speaker 29: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: Look, it doesn't sound very exciting, but it's quite meaningful

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Speaker 23: with this. The US non fun payroll as well, they're

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 23: just twenty two thousand job ads in August, means the

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Speaker 23: US jobless rates up to four point three percent. It's

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Speaker 23: another sign that the US Federal Reserve needs to get

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Speaker 23: on with rate cuts. Now, how did the markets react us?

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Speaker 23: She might pretty flat down a little bit, down point three,

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Speaker 23: But the big move there was in bond yeards, These

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Speaker 23: long term go my bond yards fell and that's telling

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Speaker 23: us that the market starting to expect rate cuts and

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Speaker 23: think in fact, we're seeing up to three rate cuts

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Speaker 23: from the US Central Bank price and we're actually saw

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Speaker 23: two year ago MY bonds fall to three point five

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Speaker 23: five two percent, which is the lowest since twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 23: Locally here today we've seen our two year bond years

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Speaker 23: down as well. We're down to two ninety six, so

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 23: below three percent, and the New Zealand shi mark wears

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01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 23: up almost zero point four percent. We've been great, it's

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Speaker 23: four percent today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, more like a tenth of it. Hey, what about

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Speaker 3: the Chinese economic data? That also? Wasn't that that flash?

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Speaker 23: Yeah? Look, we will continue to see some soft data

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Speaker 23: coming out of China that August export and import data

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Speaker 23: they were below expectations, just showing us that this Chinese

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01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 23: manufacturing machine is slowing down what we are seeing. On

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 23: the other hand, here there is Chinese regulators talking about

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01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 23: simulating economy. There's some reports about policies to support consumption

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01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,759
Speaker 23: in the form of tourism, culture, lifestyle. There's some opening

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Speaker 23: up of the taps and residential property market. Sin's in

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Speaker 23: that's the third largest city in China, approximately seventy and

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 23: a half million people are there. Going to remove home

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01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 23: purchase restrictions, so meaning people without local health cel regustration

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Speaker 23: you can buy a house. Quite a meaningful change. We've

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Speaker 23: seen in Shanghai, for example, where we've seen similar changes.

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Speaker 23: The house prices have actually increased sort of seven to

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Speaker 23: eight percent month on month, So that's quite an important signal.

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Speaker 23: We're trying to really get that Chinese to kind of

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Speaker 23: a going. And then a final point, mister g President

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Speaker 23: g is conn out announcing that China will drive trade

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Speaker 23: and investment liberalization, so he's of a pushback maybe to

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Speaker 23: some of these global tariff barriers that they're coming through.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what about the stuff that's been happening here locally.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, today we saw a couple of interesting corporate announcements.

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Speaker 23: Tourism Holdings announced, that's the recreational van hire company. When

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Speaker 23: you're doing a trip around South Onland, you're renting one

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Speaker 23: of their great vans. They have made the hard call

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Speaker 23: and they're going to reset their Australian retail business. They're

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Speaker 23: going to basically change the models to using the type

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Speaker 23: of vans conciding the brand, and they're going to reduce

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Speaker 23: the inventitary levels. Also, they're going to close some branches

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Speaker 23: in Sydney and Brisbane, some of their sales branches, not

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Speaker 23: their rental branches, the places with their cell vans. Share

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Speaker 23: prices up slight the other day and we saw them

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Speaker 23: Store which is a properly company mainly with a retail

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Speaker 23: real estate by the Silverdale retail is seen from its

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Speaker 23: parent Strive property one hundred and forteen million dollars and

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Speaker 23: they're was going to raise sixty two and a half

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Speaker 23: men via subordinated convertible notes. Pretty flat on both those

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Speaker 23: stocks on the day. So yeah, we're seeing a little

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Speaker 23: bit of activity coming up in the market here.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Hey, Shane, Thanks has always appreciate it. Shane

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Speaker 3: soally harbor asset Management. Heather just have to say Jill

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Speaker 3: Rodgers has been very good today. That's from Simon.

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Speaker 26: Jill.

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Speaker 3: Jill is the copper who probably did not expect that

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Speaker 3: she would have to front all of this stuff when

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Speaker 3: it finally happened. But of course it's fallen to her

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01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 3: because Richard Chambers has been over in Australia with Mark

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Speaker 3: Mitchell at the funeral over there for police, the shot

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Speaker 3: police over there. She's been very good because you may

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01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: not be aware of this, but there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of really curly little rules that pertain to this particular situation.

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01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 3: There's orders and you know, family called staff and all

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, and she has to navigate all

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Speaker 3: of that when she's answering questions and yep, done a

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Speaker 3: very good job to stay on the right side of

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Speaker 3: the rules there.

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Speaker 15: Six twenty three everything from SMS to the big corporates,

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Speaker 15: The Business Hour with Heather du for Cllen and Mass

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Speaker 15: Hands News.

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Speaker 5: Talks edb Right.

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Speaker 3: Grant McCullum head a great question about the cost to

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Speaker 3: be in or out of Paris. I wish you kept

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Speaker 3: at it to get the dollars.

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Speaker 18: We can't.

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Speaker 3: We don't know. We can't keep at it to get

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 3: the dollars because, as Nicklea admitted, they haven't done the dollars,

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Speaker 3: so they don't even know. So it's all just vibes.

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Speaker 3: It's just vibes. Anyway. So I went to the rugby

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Speaker 3: on Saturday and was in the box, the corporate box,

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Speaker 3: one of not my one obviously I don't have one,

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Speaker 3: but in the corporate box. And he did warn me

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Speaker 3: in advance. Was Grant McCallum, the MP of Northland, who

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01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 3: texts me on Friday and was like, I see you're

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01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 3: in the corporate box with me. Shall we talk about Paris?

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 3: I'd like and I was like, oh yeay, that's what

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01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 3: I want to do with my Saturday night. Anyway, this

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Speaker 3: is what happened to my second half of the game.

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Speaker 3: I was standing inside looking over his shoulder watching the

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Speaker 3: rugby while he talked to me about Paris. And he

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Speaker 3: did make a very good point. And I do like

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Speaker 3: Grant very much. Actually, he's a good sort with to

1731
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 3: have a beer with. He did make a very good point,

1732
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 3: which is that we will not get canceled for this right.

1733
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: It's not because anybody actually cares about parisil thinks that

1734
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 3: Paris is working. It is simply that there are some

1735
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 3: politicians who do not want us to have free trade

1736
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 3: deals with them Ala the EU, and who do not

1737
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 3: want us to be on the shelves. And this will

1738
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 3: give them the excuse because in the FDA there is

1739
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 3: a clause and they will go, look, they've reached the

1740
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 3: clause and they will use it against us. So fair

1741
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 3: point to have them fair play. It'll cost us, but

1742
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 3: at some stage we may have to do it anyway.

1743
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 3: Here's some show biz news for you. Do you remember

1744
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 3: when MTV played music videos and we're all about the music, Well,

1745
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 3: they still like to pretend that they are. The Music

1746
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: Video Awards were today in LA and there were lots

1747
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 3: of stars and lots of performances. Lady Gagar got four wins,

1748
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 3: including Artists of the Year and she performed in Sabrina

1749
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 3: Carpenter one Album of the Year and she sings a

1750
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 3: song called Espresso and K Pop Star Rose Song of

1751
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 3: the Year for her song with Bruno mars apt But

1752
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 3: the real winner of the night was Mariah because she

1753
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: won the Video Vanguard award. This is MTV's idea of

1754
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 3: a lifetime achievement, and in celebration, she performed a six

1755
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 3: minute medley of all of her biggest hats. How good notice,

1756
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 3: I said, performed but not sang. And she also gave

1757
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 3: a somewhat shady acceptance speech, as she's prone to doing.

1758
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 24: I can't believe I'm getting my first VMA tonight.

1759
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 28: I just have one question, what in the sam hell

1760
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 28: were you waiting for?

1761
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 3: And then she thanked her fan group, which she is.

1762
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 3: It's called the Lamb Belie No one knows. And then

1763
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 3: she made sure to mention, as you do, that her

1764
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 3: brand new album is out in just two weeks, So

1765
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 3: maybe that's why she Do you think that's where she wanted? Anyway?

1766
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 3: Love a bit of Mariah? What a good time? Eye

1767
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 3: Hey Chaumabil Yakip's gonna be with us very shortly explained

1768
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 3: to us with the Winston Peters idea would work, you know,

1769
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: make us all tempercent compulsory temper cent employers, temper and

1770
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 3: employees and give us a good old tax cut to

1771
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: offset it. Answer is probably not. He'll explain news is next.

1772
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 5: Don't take you if it's.

1773
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: To do with money, it matters to you the business hour,

1774
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: we're the header due for c Allen and mas for

1775
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: insurance investments and Kuye Safer and you're in good hands.

1776
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 5: News talks. That'd be.

1777
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 3: Javin Graywards with us in ten minutes time. Hey, by

1778
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 3: the way, just really quickly, guess how much that court

1779
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 3: case to save the ugly bridge in Wellington has cost Wellingtonians? Yes,

1780
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 3: how much? Three hundred and thirty thousand dollars. That's right,

1781
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 3: thanks a lot. Trust. It's not like people in Wellington's

1782
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 3: got a lot of money at the moment, do they,

1783
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,839
Speaker 3: Given all the rates that toy has been charging them. Anyway,

1784
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty dollars thousand dollars in normal. Normally

1785
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 3: in a case like this, because the trust who took

1786
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 3: the case have been annoying and lost, you would go

1787
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 3: after costs. But Wellington City Council has decided they're not

1788
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 3: going to go for costs because the trust has got

1789
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 3: no money, and so the barrack catered the bridge off

1790
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 3: and they're going to demolish it twenty four away from

1791
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 3: seven now. One of the big political stories over the

1792
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 3: weekend was the New Zealand First Conference, and one of

1793
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 3: The ideas that came from that was reforms to Kiwi Saver.

1794
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 3: New Zealand first is proposing to make key we save

1795
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 3: a compulsory raise the minimum contribution to ten percent and

1796
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 3: then give a tax cut to offset that extra cost.

1797
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 3: Shama Bill Yakup is the chief economist at Simplicity and

1798
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 3: with us. Hey, Shomo, good he how are I'm well?

1799
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 23: Thanks?

1800
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 10: Man.

1801
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 3: I was talking to Nikola Willis just about half an

1802
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: hour ago. She reckons, back of the envelope at the

1803
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 3: tax cut will cost about fifteen billion dollars annually. Does

1804
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 3: that sound about right?

1805
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 5: It does?

1806
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 25: And I love the idea of a compulsory superannation scheme,

1807
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 25: but I don't love the idea of a tax cut

1808
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 25: funded one because I don't think we can afford it.

1809
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 3: No, how would you even do it? If you could

1810
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 3: do it, would you? Is it possible?

1811
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 30: And he suggested it absolutely, He suggested target it is okay,

1812
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 30: but he suggested, this is Winston right, that you target

1813
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 30: the tax cut two people who are going to be

1814
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 30: contributing at ten percent, which is everybody, because it's compulsory.

1815
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 5: Can you do that?

1816
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 25: Well, that means every wager and it gets a tax

1817
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 25: cut right, and that's our biggest source of taxes. It doesn't,

1818
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 25: it doesn't. The numbers don't work if you can't. We

1819
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 25: can't afford those kinds of tax cuts, right, I mean

1820
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 25: we already can't. We're already running deficeits. So it's not

1821
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 25: to diminish the idea because the reality is that kivserver

1822
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 25: is actually really good policy. Most New Zealanders are in

1823
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 25: a three and a half million of us. We're contributing regularly.

1824
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 25: It's all good. But we can probably pick and choose

1825
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 25: a little bit of how Australia does it to move

1826
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 25: us towards the compulsion idea. And I think therein lies

1827
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 25: the germ of the idea that Winston's come up with

1828
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 25: that is really good, that if we could make that

1829
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 25: employer contribution compulsory, not the employee one, the employer one,

1830
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 25: and then increase that gradually over time, it would have

1831
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 25: the same effect. And the reason for that is when

1832
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 25: you increase your kivsiver contributions, essentially it's the total cost

1833
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 25: of employing somebody, so it would it's buying like it's

1834
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 25: worn worn by the workers anyway, one way or the other.

1835
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 25: So it doesn't really matter as long as you do

1836
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 25: gradually over time, it becomes a non issue. And that's

1837
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 25: how Australia has done it in two steps right, And

1838
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 25: when they first started it, they increase it gradually over time,

1839
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 25: and they're doing it again at the moment and they're

1840
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 25: going up to twelve and a half percent, no tax

1841
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 25: cuts in sight.

1842
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 3: If you do it, do you have to accept that

1843
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 3: you will be increasing the super contribution in lieu of

1844
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 3: pay rise.

1845
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 25: Absolutely, that is exactly how it works in Australia. So

1846
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 25: the incidents, what we talk about as an economist, is

1847
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,879
Speaker 25: the incidents who bears the cost of that increase in contribution?

1848
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 25: By and large, it's borne by the workers, because from

1849
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 25: our employer's perspective, essentially the cost of employing you is

1850
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 25: the cost of employing you. Whether they're pay it into

1851
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 25: your bank account or into your accuse of account is

1852
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 25: much the same.

1853
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 3: Does it do anything? Will it actually create wage inflation?

1854
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 3: Will it make us a higher wage country?

1855
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 5: Not?

1856
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 25: Really, that's not really how it increase wages. Like if

1857
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 25: you want to have increased wages, we just need to

1858
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 25: have businesses that are far more efficient and far more

1859
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 25: profit and some of that will be shared with workers.

1860
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 25: And that's having workers who are well trained, business places

1861
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 25: and workplaces that are efficient, and all those other bits

1862
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 25: and pieces. So no easy wins. You can't enforce higher

1863
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 25: wage increases that are sustainable.

1864
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 3: And it's ten percent what we should be roughly aiming at.

1865
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 25: Roughly, I mean Australia's gone for twelve and a half,

1866
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 25: so that's probably the benchmark. That's probably where you get

1867
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 25: about forty to fifty percent of kiwis that will have

1868
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 25: enough savings in retirement to not need New Zeon Super.

1869
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 25: They'll be independent now, Shamu.

1870
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 3: When Nikola Willis was talking about it, she was talking

1871
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 3: about it as in some way replacing, Like she said,

1872
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 3: because we have got the pension, you can't have the

1873
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 3: pair of them. You have to take one away for

1874
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 3: the other. Would you advocate that? Would you say, yet

1875
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 3: you phase out the pension go for the super instead

1876
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 3: over time.

1877
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 25: So over time, so because with the KII server, if

1878
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 25: it's high enough that you'll save enough by retirement, then

1879
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 25: you can start to pull back on New Zealand Super

1880
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 25: as B means tested. But not until you have a

1881
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 25: Q server system that's actually giving people enough money to

1882
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 25: retire comfortably at the moment, it's not enough. So our

1883
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 25: contribution reds are still far too low to let people

1884
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 25: retire comfortably. So I don't think we can even continence

1885
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 25: reforming news on super until we have made Qui siever

1886
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 25: much stronger.

1887
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 3: Yes, decades a word probably, Hey, thank you very much,

1888
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 3: Chamo appreciate it. Schamoville Jakab simplicity chief economist.

1889
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 5: Would Heather do for ce Ellen?

1890
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm been wanting to tell you about this all show.

1891
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 3: Actually there is a yesterday, well maybe even the day

1892
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 3: before weekend, somewhere on the weekend which has become a haze.

1893
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 3: I was reading about a chap who is who works

1894
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 3: in the the police, and I thought the sky needs

1895
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 3: an absolute shout out for what he's done. So he

1896
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 3: fought the authorities for us, the authorities being the parking people.

1897
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 3: There's no you know what we thought we thought the

1898
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 3: police were the authorities. No, not even the police. Not

1899
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 3: even the police can get around the parking people. So

1900
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 3: what's been going on at is that there is an

1901
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: outfit called I Park who run the parking app over there.

1902
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 3: So you know, you park up your car and then

1903
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 3: you have to go on the parking app and pay

1904
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 3: for it. Often that app doesn't work at all. So

1905
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 3: when the police officers turn up at the police station

1906
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 3: for their work, they park their cars, but they can't

1907
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 3: pay for the parking, and then they get themselves a ticket.

1908
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 3: And so this happened to him earlier this year, and

1909
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 3: he parked his car, tried to pay, it didn't work,

1910
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 3: got a ticket. So he tried to dispute it. He

1911
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 3: went to through a district or through a lakes council

1912
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 3: or whatever it's called, and they said to him, na, na, nah,

1913
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 3: this is not our problem. Go to the community hub.

1914
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 3: So he goes to the community hub and they say, nah,

1915
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 3: also not our problem. You've got to talk to Presto Park,

1916
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 3: which is the company behind the iPark app. So he

1917
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 3: tries to call Presto Park, but Presto Park sounds to

1918
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 3: me like they're not a New Zealand company. They's some

1919
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 3: sort of an international company. Because the only way that

1920
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 3: he was able to proceed on the phone business, you know,

1921
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 3: when you get there in order to speak to a

1922
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 3: customer service press one or whatever, he couldn't. He couldn't

1923
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 3: do that because he couldn't understand what they were saying

1924
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 3: because the only language is available to him on Presto

1925
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 3: Park was Italian, Swiss and French, so he was I

1926
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 3: don't know what to do, so he couldn't do anything anyway,

1927
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 3: So he decided he was to take it to court,

1928
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 3: and he did. He went all the way to court

1929
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 3: for us. This was seventy dollar ticket, so you know

1930
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 3: he can afford a seventy dollar ticket. This is just

1931
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 3: about principle and I back him on this, so we

1932
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 3: started fighting it. In the end, the JPS dismissed the

1933
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 3: case and he didn't have to pay it. The infringement

1934
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: was not upheld. He was free to go. His name

1935
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 3: is O'Sullivan by the way. But this is the interesting

1936
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 3: thing about it. What I really appreciated was the representative

1937
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 3: for Presto Park who turned up and said, well, if

1938
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,799
Speaker 3: he couldn't park in the because the app wasn't working,

1939
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: if he couldn't park there, he should have gone somewhere

1940
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 3: else where it was free to park, which was two

1941
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 3: blocks away. Because clearly they don't live in the modern world.

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Speaker 3: We went I walk two blocks to be able to

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Speaker 3: park our cart. That's just super inconvenient in a lovely

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Speaker 3: twist which I enjoy very much. Rutuua Lake's Council voted

1945
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Speaker 3: and may not to renew its contract with I Park.

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Speaker 3: I wonder why I think we know seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 5: Aproaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather do for Sea Ellen with business Hour and

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Speaker 1: mass for insurance investments and Quie Saver, You're in good hands.

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Speaker 5: Newstalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Listen before we get to Gavin. This is reasonably important

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Speaker 3: and I haven't had much time to talk to you

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Speaker 3: about this during the show, but it appears that the

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Speaker 3: government is pretty desperate on the gas thing, to the

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Speaker 3: extent that Simon Watts, who is the Minister for Energy,

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Speaker 3: had a meeting with a whole bunch of I guess

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Speaker 3: gas users, and this meeting happened in late August, and

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Speaker 3: asked it was like a delegation of larger mid sized

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Speaker 3: gas users. Ask them if they could put together a

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Speaker 3: list of twenty gas users commercial gas users who could

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Speaker 3: really quickly be phased off gas if roadblocks were removed.

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Speaker 3: Now what the roadblocks are? Could it be read tapped

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Speaker 3: more likely? I would have thought, basically, if we pay

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Speaker 3: for the track, like the government pays for them to

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Speaker 3: switch to some other fuel was what I'm reading here,

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Speaker 3: but there's no detail on that. But basically what that

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Speaker 3: should tell you is if we are desperate enough to

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Speaker 3: ask for the twenty top guest users to be able

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Speaker 3: to quickly transitioned off, and that is how tight the

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Speaker 3: guest supplies at the moment, and is how tight it

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Speaker 3: is getting. So anyway, stand by because I think that

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Speaker 3: we're going to get some traction on that just in

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Speaker 3: the next few weeks. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray

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Speaker 3: are UK corresponders with us even in Gevin Hill? Do

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Speaker 3: you reckon the government's really going to go aheare with

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Speaker 3: this barracks idea?

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Speaker 21: Well, yes I do, because the UK is already using

1978
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Speaker 21: former army and RAF bases in order to house migrants

1979
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Speaker 21: while they're having their applications reviewed. But certainly now the

1980
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Speaker 21: government really stressing that they are looking to expand this notion.

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Speaker 21: There's even talk of some use of former industrial sites

1982
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Speaker 21: and even talk for using some warehousing as well.

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Speaker 4: So the government.

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Speaker 21: Deciding to try to clear out the number of people

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Speaker 21: housed in hotels that taxpayer funded accommodation at the moment

1986
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Speaker 21: thirty two thousand a sign seekers a house did hotels

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Speaker 21: and Heather, it's wrong if you're thinking, oh, these are

1988
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Speaker 21: cheap budget hotels. Some of them are very nice hotels

1989
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Speaker 21: and it is costing millions of New Zealand dollars a day.

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Speaker 7: To fund them.

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Speaker 21: And of course it's been extremely in the headline say

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Speaker 21: very controversial and people are getting very fed up. And

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Speaker 21: I think the government is recognized this is one of

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Speaker 21: the big topics for the next general election, a vote

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Speaker 21: winner or a vote loser to get.

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Speaker 4: This sorted out.

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Speaker 21: So the government's looking at two former military sites, a

1998
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Speaker 21: former RAF base in Essex down in the south east

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Speaker 21: and also a former military base in Kent, also in

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Speaker 21: the southeast. In other words, where so many of the

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Speaker 21: migrants are arriving. Indeed, we've just heard that on the

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Speaker 21: first day of the new Home Secretary, the new woman

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Speaker 21: in charge of the migrant problem, more than one thousand

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Speaker 21: people arrived, almost one thousand, one hundred arrived on her

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Speaker 21: first full day and the job. That means thirty thousand

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Speaker 21: have arrived by small boats so far this calendar year,

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Speaker 21: and that is a new record for this point in

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Speaker 21: the year. So Labor, the party of Government realizing something

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Speaker 21: has to be done quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Now, how's the emergency alerts on the mobile

2011
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Speaker 3: phones going?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, they seemed to go pretty well. So my phone

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Speaker 21: yesterday afternoon our time at three pm sounded with an

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Speaker 21: alert for ten seconds, along with roughly eighty two million

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Speaker 21: other phones. This was the second testing of a national

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Speaker 21: system for sending emergency alerts to mobile phones. It's a

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Speaker 21: way of people being reached really, really quickly, and this

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Speaker 21: was the second test. The alerts are designed for crisis

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Speaker 21: where there's an imminent danger to life, such as during

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Speaker 21: extreme weather events.

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Speaker 7: Or a terror attack.

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Speaker 21: It works on separate phone masks, so you don't have

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Speaker 21: to alert everyone around the country at the same time.

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Speaker 21: You just nominate the phone mask you want to contact,

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Speaker 21: as it were, or the area, and then you can

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Speaker 21: contact people in that area in a matter of seconds. Now,

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Speaker 21: in the first trial, which is back in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 21: some received multiple messages, others didn't get any message at all.

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Speaker 21: On this time, I think it's been a much better test.

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Speaker 21: Anyone on the UK's four G and five G networks

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Speaker 21: received the message even if they were not connected to

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Speaker 21: mobile data or Wi Fi. And that, as I said,

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Speaker 21: eighty two phone, eighty two million phones in total, it

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Speaker 21: seemed to work better. However, some people report they didn't

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Speaker 21: get the message for fifteen to twenty minutes after it

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Speaker 21: was supposed to go out, and so that's obviously going

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Speaker 21: to be something that the government needed to work on.

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Speaker 21: And this is something here that's certainly getting a great

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Speaker 21: deal of interest from the government as how to get

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Speaker 21: hold of people quickly.

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Speaker 7: Should there be alerts.

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Speaker 21: It's been used in the past fourth storms, but also

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Speaker 21: in one instance when they discover a five hundred kiloground

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Speaker 21: World War II bomb unexploded in a city center at

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Speaker 21: the southwest.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't Gevin get Google's a little bit poorer today, isn't it?

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Speaker 21: Well, it certainly should be with what's happened, but it

2048
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Speaker 21: is appealing the judgment. So the European Union has fined

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Speaker 21: Google at five and a half billion New Zealand dollars,

2050
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Speaker 21: the EU alleging they are abusing air power in the

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Speaker 21: ad tech sector. So what they're saying is that technology

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Speaker 21: which determines which adverts should be placed online and where, is,

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Speaker 21: according to the EU, being rigged in Google's favor. The

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Speaker 21: European Commission saying that the tech giant had breached competition

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Speaker 21: laws by favoring its own products for displaying online ads

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Speaker 21: to the detriment of its rivals. However, Google says the

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Speaker 21: decision is wrong and says it will appeal, and Donald

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Speaker 21: Trump has weighed in, the US President attacking the decision,

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Speaker 21: saying in a post on social media, it was very

2060
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Speaker 21: unfair and threatening to launch an investigation over European tech

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Speaker 21: practices that could lead to tariffs. I think the timing

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Speaker 21: of this fine is very interesting, just a few weeks,

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Speaker 21: of course, after they've agreed between the EU and the

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Speaker 21: US a trade deal, but certainly earlier this week the

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Speaker 21: Commission denying that timing was deliberate, and as part of

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Speaker 21: their findings, it said Google had intentionally boosted its own

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Speaker 21: advertising exchange ad X over competing exchanges where ads are

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Speaker 21: bought and sold in real time. So I think this

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Speaker 21: is one we're going to hear more of when the

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Speaker 21: appeal comes to Fruition.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Kevin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Hither there

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Speaker 3: is no such language as Swiss. Someone's telling a porky?

2073
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Speaker 3: Is that just shorthand for Swiss? German? Is that what

2074
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 3: that meant? Eight away from seven?

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Speaker 5: It's the hitherto per se.

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Speaker 1: Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news

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Speaker 1: dog Zibby.

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Speaker 3: I've got a little bit of good news for you

2079
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Speaker 3: before we go to the end of the show, which

2080
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 3: is if you're renting, you shouldn't be paying as much

2081
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 3: as you were two years ago because the rental price

2082
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 3: is down to the lowest price in two years. So

2083
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Speaker 3: the national average has fallen three percent, six hundred and

2084
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Speaker 3: twenty eight Wellington steep Wellington's Wellington is fascinating. Wellington had

2085
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 3: the steepest drop twelve percent in what you're paying in

2086
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 3: rent Otago down for Auckland, down to Canterbury, down to

2087
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 3: why Cutle down about half a percentage point. And it's

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01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 3: basically because the listings have gone up. Get a load

2089
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 3: of this. Nationally the number of listings have gone up

2090
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 3: by sixteen percent, but in Wellington the listings have gone

2091
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 3: up by one hundred and six percent. Also, Big and

2092
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 3: Wired up in ninety seven percent, Gisbon eighty two percent,

2093
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 3: Hawks Bayed sixty nine percent, Canterbury twenty nine percent, and

2094
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Speaker 3: so on. Anyway, there you go. You should as long

2095
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 3: as you're not living in Southland and West Coast, where

2096
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,520
Speaker 3: the rents have gone up by nine percent and eleven percent, respectively.

2097
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 3: As long as you're not living there, you'd be paying

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Speaker 3: less than you were two years ago.

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Speaker 28: Libby, I've got MTV's VMA's Song of the Summer Frost Today.

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Speaker 3: Is this is K pop thing?

2101
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 2: It's not cap pop? What is it? This is Tate McCrae.

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Speaker 2: She wrote this for the f one movie. It's called

2103
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Speaker 2: just Keep Watching.

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Speaker 3: If I said to you, Hello, I'm gonna go see

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01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 3: a tape the Cray concert, would you know who I'm

2106
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 3: talking about? Would I?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Would you?

2110
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 4: So?

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01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 3: Is she a bit of a thing?

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Speaker 2: Is she she's a pop star? That's for sure?

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's a pop star?

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Speaker 11: All start.

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Speaker 3: This part of the show sometimes makes me feel so

2116
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 3: unbelievably old, and this is definitely one of those moments.

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Speaker 3: If somebody said I'm going to go see Tate mccrae'd

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Speaker 3: be like, what what's that? I don't even know? Is

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01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 3: that a person or is it just an event? Anyway,

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Speaker 3: it's a person and they're a star. Enjoy it. See

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow, Jack, Just keep.

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Speaker 1: Watching exkive what for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays,

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