1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: It is a Monday sport with Jason Pine and Andrews 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: several meantime, the prime ministers in the studio with us. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Good to see you, Good see you too, Mike. Now 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: the methane targets. Were you not there yesterday behind the 5 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: wooden stump on the farm because you were fearful that 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: the Greens would come after you? So you see Todd 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: and co out. 8 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: No, there was a lot of people involved in that. 9 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: We had good industry support as well, and obviously we've 10 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: got ministers from all the different political parties that have 11 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: got agricultural responsibilities there as well. But look, I'm really 12 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: pleased with that decision. That's something we've been working on 13 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: for a while. We said in the campaign as national 14 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: that we would go off and look at that. It's 15 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: appropriate that we do. Here's the deal. We are the 16 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: most carbon efficient farmers in the world. We are the 17 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: most productive farmers in the world, and the previous model 18 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: of just sending that production off shore just makes greenhouse 19 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 2: gas emissions worse and makes kiis poor. And I think 20 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: we've got to a very very sensible practical place. 21 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Okay, does it affect us in a NUA shape or form, 22 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: with the trade agreements we've already signed that. 23 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is us saying, look, we're on 24 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: track for net zero twenty fifty if that reports, so 25 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: we could do it anywhere up to six years early. 26 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: But with a the separate target, which was about methane, 27 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: which was when the legislation was created. We've always said 28 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: we'd review that based off the science that we see. 29 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: Lots of different advice, and we've got to a place 30 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: a range of fourteen to twenty four percent reduction over 31 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen levels by twenty twenty five. 32 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: Do you think this comes out? Do you think people 33 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: then understand because of what the farmer's been arguing the 34 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: whole time. Methane is different. It's not just in that 35 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: whole big basket of Paris. Let's save the world. Methane 36 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: is a different gas. Yeah, we need to understand. 37 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: But what's actually been happening is the success of New 38 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: Zealand farming over one hundred and fifty years. You know, 39 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: we shouldn't be as successful as we are in the world, 40 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: but we are because our guys keep adopting a whole 41 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: hepotechnology and innovation, and it's the same on this they've 42 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: actually been making big improvements on breeding and genetics. On 43 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: breeding they've been making you know, there's actually other innovation 44 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: that's coming that's going to be here in the next 45 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: year or two that's going to make a big difference 46 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: to methane emission, so you can actually lower your emissions 47 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: and increase productivity I believe for New Zealand farming going 48 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: forward from here. 49 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Is the attention within the coalition at the moment over 50 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: Paris in general. That will play out next you're in 51 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: the election campaign. 52 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: Well, parties may have their own views on it, but 53 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: as you're saying, the government position, which is all three 54 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 2: parties in coalition have said no, no it. This makes 55 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: sense for us to stay in Paris because you know, 56 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: otherwise it's countries that we compete with in large multinationals 57 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: kicking our products out and that's not something we're up for. 58 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: It just makes us poorous. So I think everyone understands that. 59 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: But we'll act, for example, campaign on getting out of it, 60 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: because they've already stated they want to get out of it. 61 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: So how badly are you holding them in here just 62 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: for them to wait to twenty twenty six? 63 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I mean, I mean they may well form 64 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: their own party positions and I'll take that to the 65 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: next I don't know what they'll do, to be honest, 66 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: I'm just saying from a national point of view, and 67 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: more importantly from a coalition government point of view, coming 68 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: out of Paris would be really dumb for us. It 69 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: would hurt us and that's not They would make key 70 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: Is poor and that's not good. So I'm not punishing 71 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: our farm as we genuinely are going to meet those 72 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: You know, We're in Paris for a reason, which is 73 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: there's four countries that aren't currently and it helps us 74 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: a lot set our products. 75 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: Is there any point in asking you about the local 76 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: body elections given they were an a mitigated disaster. Yeah. 77 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: Turn out was pretty low, wasn't it, And I think 78 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: you know what you saw there was. I think there's 79 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: two bits to it. One is, candidates have to be 80 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: compelling and they have to have to excite voters to 81 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: actually have a vision of what they wanted to achieve 82 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: and what they want to do. The second thing is 83 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: that New Zealanders, you know, the voters themselves. I mean, 84 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: if you don't vote, then you can't complain, and you know, 85 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: rates of Gobon up twelve point seven percent. So I mean, 86 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: if you feel strongly about an issue like that where 87 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: you need to show up and actually vote and participate. 88 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: But no one's doing anything about this, are they Between 89 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: now and the next local body elections. 90 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: No one's going to change anything. Now we've got a system. 91 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: It's as simple as register and vote. You know, people 92 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: say to me, Chris, can you go off and do 93 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: computerized voting. We can look at a whole bunch of things. 94 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: Local government zone should definitely look at all of that. 95 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: But the upshot is, look, we've got a system that works. 96 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: Just go to get out and do it. 97 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Do you read anything into the trend? Broadly speaking, there's 98 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: a move to the right, and broadly speaking, those who 99 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: whacked big rates on lost. 100 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that's really important. I mean, you know, 101 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: when you don't have council's focus on the basis as 102 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: we've talked about, and those that ran up massive rate increases, 103 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: I saw that too, that have been punished. I think 104 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: that's you know, that's a good thing. I mean, if 105 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: you care about your rates, then you care about what's 106 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: going on in your city, you should you should vote, 107 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: and that's what's happened. 108 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: Okay, Chorus, how real How realistic are you about this? 109 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm quite excited by it because it actually frees 110 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: up one point one billion dollars that we get to 111 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: invest elsewhere in the economy. And you know, I saw 112 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: a labor come out and say, oh, it's an asset 113 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: sale and I thought jee that. You know, they're economically 114 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: illiterate and done as a bag of Ham's frankly, because 115 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: if you can't distinguish the difference between debt and equity, 116 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: which is a pretty basic thing. This is a company 117 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: that's on the New Zealand Stock Exchange. We don't own 118 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: any of it. It's just that we loan the money 119 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: while we were actually rolling out ultra fast broadband that's 120 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,559 Speaker 2: now finished. We can sell that debt security to somebody 121 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: else who gets repaid by Chorus and one point them 122 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: we go use one point one billion dollars of that. 123 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: So you're going to do it, well, I mean i'd 124 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: like us to. We're exploring it see whether we've got 125 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: to find someone who can actually want to be full 126 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: of people. But I think it's a really good thing 127 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: in sensible right. 128 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: So are you going to do it? And when you're 129 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: going to do We're trying to we're trying to do it. Okay, 130 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: so it's on, we're set to go put on a 131 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: quarterly plan so much. Well, I don't even give you those, 132 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: So as soon as you can find somebody to take that, 133 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: you'll take it. And it's it's money, it's yeah. Look, 134 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: I think it's a really sensible brain. And the other 135 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: question for me is then, well, well, it's basically what's 136 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: called balance sheet laziness, and you've got to make sure 137 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: that you're using you know that we haven't got lazy 138 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: balance sheets across the other government, cross government. The question 139 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: is is there other similar things? The question so, are 140 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: you differentiating between the fact that's debt versus selling. You're 141 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: fifty percent of Near New Zealand, for example. 142 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, doing asset sales this term, But. 143 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Are you going to be campaigning on asset sales? 144 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: Well, we haven't made a decision yet. No, we haven't 145 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: made a decision. We've got it, well, a long way 146 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: to go for the elext money two thirds of the 147 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: way through the term, Mike, so we've got plenty of 148 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: time to think about it. 149 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: Are you favored or leaning towards the idea that you 150 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: could campaign on asset sales. 151 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: Oh, look, haven't haven't really, we haven't discussed it. We've 152 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: got so much focus, you know. It must be like 153 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: every day we go into that joint and the stuff 154 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: to sort out and clean up. That's been the last 155 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: set of thinking about. 156 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: So you've thought about chorus, but you haven't thought about 157 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: the possibility because you've got a moment ago. You're excited 158 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: about your one point something, But I am superod why 159 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: aren't you excited about the billions you could get from 160 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the balance sheets of Crown entities 161 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: and just saying that there must be you know, are 162 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: we using it a balance sheet as efficiently as it 163 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: possibly can be, or have we got cash tied up 164 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: that can actually be released to do other things? 165 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: Okay, what were you spended on the heap of stuff? 166 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: We've got a massi amount of infrastructure we've got to 167 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: get built. We've got a huge amount of roads to 168 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: get delivered. There'll be one place to think about. Wouldn't 169 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: at all? Or we might a little bit of debt 170 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: but it did, But actually probably you know, the capital 171 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: investment would be something that would be really productive use 172 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: for that money. 173 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: The advertising bill. Most people won't know what happened to here, 174 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: but the house ran out of time or got closed 175 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: down the other night. So the bill was up on 176 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: advertising on Sundays for radio and stuff like that, and 177 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: you guys ran out of time now. But it's not 178 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: the most important thing in the world. But what it 179 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: does tell me and remind me of is what I 180 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: tell you every time you come to the studio is 181 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: open the place up more often and actually get some 182 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: business done, and then you wouldn't run out of time 183 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: and close it down. 184 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: Says the man that's on holiday for what first of 185 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: November to like first of April is't loo or something. 186 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm not running the country, but yeah, I mean, do 187 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: you know does the Parliament need to be more open 188 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: to do more stuff? 189 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: Well, I just say we have put the Parliament to 190 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: what's called urgency a lot, probably used it the most 191 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: since the early eighties because we've got a lot of 192 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: stuff to get done. On that one that was a 193 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: bit weird and as to what actually happened there around 194 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: proxy votes and that were recognized in the first reading 195 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: and the second reading, but they're not their labor appealed. 196 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: And then it was the votes to third until Tuesday, 197 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: so when the next sitting day is. But the weird 198 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: thing about that one was Labor actually supports that bill 199 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: and then actually challenged it and then delay the vote 200 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: on that, which was a bit silly. 201 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: So okay, but it will pass though, Yeah, we'll pass 202 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Yeah, Fontira and Peters does Peter, I know 203 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: you're in a fan of in favor of von Tira 204 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: selling their commercial But Peter's makes a lot reasonable point, 205 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: doesn't he. 206 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: Nla, I mean, I just don't think farmers need politicians 207 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: telling them what to do. They had a guts full 208 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: of that that's happened over the last six years. Yep. 209 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: I've got a different view, which is that having worked 210 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: in a big consumer goods company for eighteen years, the 211 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: margins on food service and ingredients and selling business to 212 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: business are so much greater than business to consumer and 213 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: selling consumer brands around the world. 214 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: How Comela like Tarlers don't see it that way. 215 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: Well, that could the same as call businesses and consumer business. 216 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: But what Fonterras discovered and why Fonterra is doing incredibly well, 217 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: and Myles Harrald deserves tremendous credit and that team for 218 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 2: refocusing that company after it lost focus. I felt for 219 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: a decade or so is actually on saying actually we 220 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: can sell ambient whipping cream that is devised and our 221 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: research and development labs is unique and can be stored 222 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: at ambient temperatures and sent off to thousands, if not 223 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: millions of Korean bakers, and that is a much better 224 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: business that generates better margins and returns that goes back 225 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: to the farmer shaholder. So I just have a different 226 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: view on that. I just think that's a really smart 227 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 2: move in a very good use of capital and an investment. 228 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: Did you say, well, how many times did you say 229 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: to Lawrence Wong, I really wish I was like. 230 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: You Wi Lawrence? 231 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: How many times did you say, I wish we were 232 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: more like Singapore? 233 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: Well? I love Singapore. I must have been in my 234 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: early twenties and I read like leekon news Singapore story 235 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: third World to first World. But we had a great 236 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: three and a half hour private dinner actually at home, 237 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: just the two of us and at your place in 238 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: my house. Yeah, and it was catering in for that. Yeah. 239 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: Tony A still very kindly came by and at a time. Yeah, 240 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: he's a top man. He does a great job. So 241 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 2: it was just no security guys. It was just the 242 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: two of us and now and Tony and it was great. 243 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: And yeah, like Singapore is a fantastic example of what's 244 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: achievable when you focus on management. But you know, he 245 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: did say to me, he said that he goes to 246 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: Parliament once or twice a month, and I thought, yeah, 247 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: that's he run the country. 248 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: As a result, did Tony clean up the kitchen? Affoods? 249 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: Between Tony and myself, we cleaned it up beautifully and 250 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: is due back tomorrow, so hopefully she'll be here. Well 251 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: what did Lawrence do? Did he wait in the lounge 252 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: while you clean? Think? I read some plates? 253 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Six second us Good, it's good to see how diplomacy's done. 254 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: Nice to see you appreciated the Prime Minister Christopher Lexem. 255 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: For more from the My Asking Breakfast, listen live to 256 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 257 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.