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Speaker 2: Helly Great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoon's full show podcast number sixty nine for the eighteenth of.

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Speaker 3: February twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Big Show Today, burg chat on peacekeeping in the Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and with the New Zealand should be there. Yeah, some

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Speaker 2: heated discussions, some back and forth, but it was a

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Speaker 2: fantastic chat and then we finished up with some feel

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Speaker 2: good stuff around families. So I'm going to give that

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Speaker 2: show ten out of ten.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I would agree. Actually, fantastic show and for sixty nine,

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: You want your sixty nine's to be ten out of ten. Anyway, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo

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Speaker 1: XC ninety News Talk S EDB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Joe seven past one

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Speaker 3: on this Wednesday, Get a Mets.

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Speaker 2: Get a Tyler Big Show Today. Yeah, you huge show today.

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Speaker 2: Huge weekend for me. I'm so deep into Clarkson's Farm now,

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Speaker 2: I'm in the second series of it, just into the

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Speaker 2: third series. I'm already getting very emotional that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to run out of Clarkson's Farm to watch. I know

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Speaker 2: I'm a late adoptor of the show, but it's taking

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Speaker 2: up my entire life.

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Speaker 3: You take the team. Existential question is what does one

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Speaker 3: do when you run out of Clarkson's Farm. You were

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Speaker 3: really worried.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've put me and my partner. We've booked

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Speaker 2: onto a farm in Cleveland to stay there on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I just want to be back. I'm going back to

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Speaker 3: my rural roots now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's made farming well, obviously, it makes farming look

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Speaker 2: so incredibly hard, which it is incredibly hard, and the

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Speaker 2: amount of red tape they have to deal with and stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think there's anyone that watches Clarkson's Farm

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Speaker 2: that doesn't come out the other end feeling very supportive

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Speaker 2: of our rural sector.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: It's on Amazon Prime, Amazon Video if you want to

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Speaker 2: watch it.

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Speaker 3: So you're going to the farm to then watch the

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Speaker 3: few remaining episodes of clarks As Farm. I love that that's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Well I might just pested around some cows as well for.

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Speaker 3: A little bit, just to get the vibe. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: right to the show today, just quickly after three thirty pm.

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Speaker 3: Matt Bullen. He's a mechanic thirty eight years experience and

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Speaker 3: is part of our Ask the Experts series that we're

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Speaker 3: doing each Wednesday afternoon. He's brilliant and he'll be taking

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Speaker 3: your calls after three point thirty on anything mechanical related.

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Speaker 3: You've got a problem with your car. He is the

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Speaker 2: Boom the text machine's about to go off. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: And you called it out as well, so now they're

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Speaker 3: want to have a go. I think it's cute that

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Speaker 3: you can't speak me after three o'clock. Brad Pitt is

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Speaker 2: I think he's a superstar. I think he's a fantastic actor.

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Speaker 3: From one of my favorite movies, of all time fight Club?

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Speaker 2: But is he the most significant actor of our era?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I want to know. Good question.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty big. It's pretty big having in town. The

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Speaker 2: Is he more significant than Leonardo DiCaprio. Is he better

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Speaker 3: three o'clock and after two o'clock. On the back of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is it your obligation to move heaven and earth

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Speaker 2: do jury service. I have never done jury service. I

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is you're probably guilty of it, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: Our obligation as New Zealander is to support our country

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Speaker 3: That is going to be a good discussion after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: But right now we're joined by Liam Dan New Zealand

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Speaker 3: here or Business Editor at Large And sorry ye had

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Speaker 3: to sit through that, Lamd, but thanks thanks for coming

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Speaker 3: back into the studio. So fascinating topics, Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: will be. And this is a fascinating topic as well.

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Speaker 3: So as part of your Inside Economics column in the

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Heralds, you've done some digging into the migrant

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Speaker 3: You know, the peak age for New Zealanders leaving the

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Speaker 3: so that the variance isn't that much. If you go

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Speaker 9: Other numbers from the ages of from about twenty five

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Speaker 2: And that's not great from a Crown revenue perspective, is

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Speaker 9: No, well, they are bigger, they earn more tag we

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Speaker 9: So yep, but we've still got a net migration gain,

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Speaker 9: which means that there are still some Kiwis coming home

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Speaker 9: the skills mixed there. The government's talked a lot about,

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Speaker 2: Well, people in their thirties and forties tend to more

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Speaker 9: And yeah, I think if you're going in your mid

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Speaker 9: All that sort of stuff through COVID and so it

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Speaker 9: makes sense there was a bulge there. But look, I

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Speaker 9: I've had a look at the comments online. There's a

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Speaker 9: lot of debate about what's driving it. I think for me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we wait to you land in Sydney experience for

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Speaker 3: woke exactly, and money talks, isn't it right? Yeah, if

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Speaker 3: that is it worth up routing here, pulling the kids

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Speaker 2: Well, I was in Memphis not so long ago, and

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Speaker 2: And he said it's insane, you can't afford them. That

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Speaker 3: Sine house prices.

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Speaker 9: If you can trade in the house in Auckland and

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Speaker 9: that Memphis wance maybe I don't know what country music.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to go to America, you just have

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Speaker 2: and having you out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is that as well, Liam, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: If you want to check out the column, it's inside Economics.

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Speaker 3: It's on the New Zealand Herald and well worth a read.

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Speaker 3: But that's what we want to have a chat about

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Speaker 3: over the next forty minutes or so. That number age

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Speaker 3: twenty five to forty six, that is of concern. And

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Speaker 3: if you've had family members in that age group go overseas,

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Speaker 3: did you think they were going to come back? Do

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Speaker 2: I'm a seventy seven year old New Zealander, fourteen grandkids

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 15: Breakfast the Public Service Commissions Report into the use of

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Speaker 16: Of course, this is a massive wake up call for

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Speaker 2: So how do you balance those two us? Yeah, I

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Speaker 17: But we can never have this situation occur again.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is twenty seven past one, and we've

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Speaker 2: I was big up in New Zealand's best ATR pilot,

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Speaker 3: Ye, beautiful, fantastictiful aircraft.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic workforce playing. Yeah, real real backbone of rural flying

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Speaker 17: in August last year, just drove up the coast thirty

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Speaker 17: k out of the center of Perth, and there houses

444
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Speaker 17: on the coast you can buy four bedrooms from one

445
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Speaker 17: hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: So, Rob, do you think your son's going to come

447
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Speaker 2: back at any point?

448
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Speaker 12: Oh?

449
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Speaker 17: Look, yes, we obviously hope. So one day, maybe there's grandchildren,

450
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Speaker 17: one day, maybe that there's a significant other partner in

451
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Speaker 17: his life as well. That may have, of course been

452
00:20:48,173 --> 00:20:53,493
Speaker 17: the not a Kiwi so but yeah, look, but that drain.

453
00:20:53,653 --> 00:20:58,293
Speaker 17: I think it's that experience. But it's it's it's just

454
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Speaker 17: straight everything. It seems to tick every box with this guy.

455
00:21:04,053 --> 00:21:06,373
Speaker 17: Like they didn't. It wasn't to sort of wake up

456
00:21:06,373 --> 00:21:10,293
Speaker 17: one Monday morning boocket ticket from Friday. These guys they

457
00:21:10,373 --> 00:21:13,133
Speaker 17: talked about it. They're always around home chatting over a

458
00:21:13,173 --> 00:21:16,773
Speaker 17: barbecue about what they should be doing. And they planned it.

459
00:21:16,893 --> 00:21:20,373
Speaker 17: They did the swat A analysis, they did all the

460
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Speaker 17: stuff that they're trained to do and analyze it and

461
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Speaker 17: critically think about it, and there's just no reason for

462
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Speaker 17: them to stay.

463
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned there before, Rob that maybe he'll have

464
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Speaker 3: children and grandkids will come into the equation. Does that

465
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Speaker 3: worry you, because I think a lot of people will

466
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Speaker 3: be listening. That would be a real worry, right that

467
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Speaker 3: That is the heartbreak when your children leave and set

468
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Speaker 3: up life overseas. That then it becomes harder for you

469
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Speaker 3: to spend time with the grandkids and the family is

470
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Speaker 3: kind of separated.

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Speaker 17: That's difficult, absolutely, and my wife will not take that

472
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Speaker 17: very well at all. But hey, we'll just spend the

473
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Speaker 17: kid's inheritance on you there around look at you do

474
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Speaker 17: what you do because your children your priority doesn't matter

475
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Speaker 17: whether they are they're six months old or twenty six

476
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Speaker 17: years old. They're still a very important part. And you'll

477
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Speaker 17: do it and it needs to be done. But you've

478
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Speaker 17: got to. They're making their way in the world and

479
00:22:20,613 --> 00:22:24,853
Speaker 17: they're trying different things, and they're finding that.

480
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Speaker 8: The going is easiers.

481
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Speaker 17: Are in a number of countries, not just Australia, in

482
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Speaker 17: a number of countries around the world where they seem

483
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Speaker 17: to value that generation or that age group perhaps better

484
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Speaker 17: than we value them. I don't I don't know if

485
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Speaker 17: it's a true statement or not, but sometimes it feels

486
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Speaker 17: like that.

487
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what about do you know of any people

488
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Speaker 2: in the you know in this article? Says, a record

489
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Speaker 2: amounts of people above the age of your son and

490
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Speaker 2: as mates going over their people in their thirties and forties.

491
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Speaker 2: Is that something you're seeing at all? Older people heading over.

492
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Speaker 17: In my profession a little bit because they chase a

493
00:23:03,173 --> 00:23:08,893
Speaker 17: slightly different style and work. But yeah, more in that

494
00:23:09,133 --> 00:23:11,613
Speaker 17: mid thirty age group, but not a lot, to be honest,

495
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Speaker 17: and only sort of in the circles I mix was.

496
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Speaker 17: I haven't seen it in any other professions, though you

497
00:23:19,013 --> 00:23:23,253
Speaker 17: hear about it anecdotally, and monks, nurses and teachers and

498
00:23:23,373 --> 00:23:28,293
Speaker 17: doctors and so forth, chasing better money, better work conditions,

499
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Speaker 17: better rosters, less fatigue, blah blah blah blah blah, all

500
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Speaker 17: those all those important things, and you see us lose

501
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Speaker 17: very good people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, rob

503
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Speaker 2: great call.

504
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Speaker 3: I mean, kids are heartbreakers, aren't they.

505
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Speaker 2: You care so much, you do everything to bring them up,

506
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Speaker 2: and then suddenly they're eighteen, they're like, you know what,

507
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Speaker 2: I might go overseas and not see.

508
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Speaker 3: You very often.

509
00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:51,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably won't be back for a few Christmas.

510
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Speaker 3: Data Well I mentioned that to Robber, is that my

511
00:23:54,853 --> 00:23:57,613
Speaker 3: older brother just had his first child with his partner

512
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Speaker 3: who he's a Newcastle in Australia, and it breaks mum's heart.

513
00:24:01,293 --> 00:24:04,093
Speaker 3: I mean she adores Hunter as his name and absolutely

514
00:24:04,093 --> 00:24:07,253
Speaker 3: adores Hunter first grandchildren. Of course she would, but it's

515
00:24:07,373 --> 00:24:09,653
Speaker 3: very difficult for her because she doesn't actually have the

516
00:24:09,653 --> 00:24:12,013
Speaker 3: money right now to go over to newcast every couple

517
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Speaker 3: of months. She's still working, so that's incredibly tougher. And

518
00:24:15,053 --> 00:24:17,373
Speaker 3: she's trying to convince still a mild bro to come

519
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Speaker 3: back to New Zealand, but he won't. He's set up

520
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Speaker 3: shopping Australia where you will not come back.

521
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Speaker 2: That's why I say, my kids, you're not leaving the country.

522
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Speaker 2: You're not leaving the house. You're not going flatting. You

523
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Speaker 2: stay upstairs, bring your family up up there, Bring meet

524
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Speaker 2: a nice girl, go up there and have four.

525
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Speaker 3: Kids and you're up in your room up there. To

526
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Speaker 3: be fine. We'll be together forever. That needs to catch on.

527
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Speaker 3: That is a strategy to keep these kids in New Zealand.

528
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Speaker 3: Don't leave me. Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty

529
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Speaker 3: is the number to call. Headlines with Raylene coming.

530
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Speaker 6: Up us talk said the headlines.

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532
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533
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534
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535
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536
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537
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538
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539
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540
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541
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Speaker 20: Clear Trevett and Deputy Business editor Grant Bradley are taking

542
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543
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Speaker 20: thirty staff. Palmerston North City Council is apologizing for a

544
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Speaker 20: technical issue that meant some ratepayers were charged rates early,

545
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546
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Speaker 20: says they've refunded people and they're sorry for any worry created.

547
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Speaker 20: The brain drain stats reveal an alarming exodus of older workers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And that's exactly what we

551
00:26:08,173 --> 00:26:08,813
Speaker 3: talk talking about.

552
00:26:08,893 --> 00:26:12,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, the exodus of older workers in New Zealand. So

553
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Speaker 2: if you're planning to leave and you're in your thirties,

554
00:26:14,213 --> 00:26:16,493
Speaker 2: forties or fifties, we'd love to hear from you on

555
00:26:16,653 --> 00:26:19,532
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, or if you know

556
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Speaker 2: people that have, or if you.

557
00:26:22,293 --> 00:26:25,773
Speaker 3: Left in that age group and came back. Yeah, some

558
00:26:25,813 --> 00:26:28,653
Speaker 3: great teats coming through on nine two nine two guys.

559
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Speaker 3: My married kids have moved to New South Wales primarily

560
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Speaker 3: for schooling and for workers. Schools here are so bad

561
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Speaker 3: and they get paid so much more over there. The

562
00:26:37,453 --> 00:26:39,013
Speaker 3: beaches are incredible as well.

563
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Speaker 2: From Alie, all right, okay, but let him want to

564
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Speaker 2: tend this hour into just like and move to Australia.

565
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we still love this country. Come on, I love

566
00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:48,253
Speaker 3: it here too, right, Yeah.

567
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Speaker 2: But then again, I've got this great job then after

568
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Speaker 2: knows jon Zi'd be Yeah, they'd never take me in

569
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Speaker 2: Australia for this job.

570
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Speaker 3: Is that rear?

571
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Speaker 21: That's great?

572
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Speaker 5: Hi?

573
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Speaker 22: How are you going?

574
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Speaker 3: Very good? Nice to chat with you. What's your story?

575
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Speaker 22: We I'm in my mid thirties and I saw the

576
00:27:06,573 --> 00:27:09,693
Speaker 22: demographics that you're trying to read. But we are in

577
00:27:09,733 --> 00:27:14,693
Speaker 22: the middle of moving to Australia now and partly majority

578
00:27:14,693 --> 00:27:17,013
Speaker 22: of the things work out by scholars, And I would

579
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Speaker 22: like to say it was a very tough decision for

580
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Speaker 22: us to do that because I first immigrated here about

581
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Speaker 22: eighteen years ago.

582
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Speaker 7: And.

583
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Speaker 22: The challenge of moving to a new countries, I it's

584
00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:31,533
Speaker 22: very difficult. But then looking at the current conditions here

585
00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:34,013
Speaker 22: in New Zealand, it just made the decision a bit

586
00:27:34,053 --> 00:27:37,253
Speaker 22: easier for us. And when I say easier in terms

587
00:27:37,293 --> 00:27:40,893
Speaker 22: of as an example, majority of my friends or in

588
00:27:40,933 --> 00:27:43,973
Speaker 22: fact all of them, they've all moved to Australia and

589
00:27:44,613 --> 00:27:47,493
Speaker 22: they are saying nothing but nice things since they've been there.

590
00:27:47,693 --> 00:27:51,133
Speaker 22: A couple of our friends who've been living in New

591
00:27:51,213 --> 00:27:53,533
Speaker 22: Zealand for a very long time, you can say, twenty

592
00:27:53,693 --> 00:27:57,213
Speaker 22: plus years, it was difficult for them to buy a

593
00:27:57,213 --> 00:27:59,533
Speaker 22: house here and they've moved their three months and they've

594
00:27:59,613 --> 00:28:03,453
Speaker 22: purchased their house. So when you hear stories like these

595
00:28:03,453 --> 00:28:06,773
Speaker 22: from different different people, you don't kind of take them

596
00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:09,893
Speaker 22: very seriously. But when you see people around you and

597
00:28:09,973 --> 00:28:11,653
Speaker 22: things are happening with them, you're kind of take them

598
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Speaker 22: very seriously, and I think that was a huge factor

599
00:28:15,973 --> 00:28:17,773
Speaker 22: for us to kind of change our minds.

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Speaker 3: Do you have to do?

601
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Speaker 2: You have work organized over there? Are you going over

602
00:28:22,493 --> 00:28:24,333
Speaker 2: to jobs? Are you going to go over and try

603
00:28:24,333 --> 00:28:25,413
Speaker 2: and sort things out when.

604
00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:25,733
Speaker 3: You get there?

605
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Speaker 22: It's very easy to in fact find work there. So

606
00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:31,573
Speaker 22: in the profession that I do, the job that I

607
00:28:31,613 --> 00:28:34,253
Speaker 22: do here, it was so difficult. It was so difficult

608
00:28:34,293 --> 00:28:37,493
Speaker 22: to change jobs here. And I couldn't understand why because

609
00:28:37,533 --> 00:28:39,693
Speaker 22: I have a lot of experience working in the AZALM.

610
00:28:40,293 --> 00:28:42,973
Speaker 22: But I applied for three jobs there and I heard

611
00:28:43,053 --> 00:28:46,613
Speaker 22: back from all of them, the three and I got one. Wow,

612
00:28:46,653 --> 00:28:49,133
Speaker 22: So it was a choice for me to choose out

613
00:28:49,173 --> 00:28:49,773
Speaker 22: of the three.

614
00:28:50,493 --> 00:28:53,293
Speaker 2: What what industry are you in? If you don't mind

615
00:28:53,293 --> 00:28:54,053
Speaker 2: me asking.

616
00:28:54,653 --> 00:28:56,013
Speaker 22: I'm in the logistics industry.

617
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Speaker 3: Logistics industry, it's skilled, very skilled. So was it almost

618
00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:03,333
Speaker 3: like the snowball effect for you Rea that you saw

619
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:06,173
Speaker 3: more and more friends going over there, which in turn

620
00:29:06,293 --> 00:29:08,773
Speaker 3: made it easier for you guys to make the jump

621
00:29:08,773 --> 00:29:11,853
Speaker 3: because you had that support structure and friends already set

622
00:29:11,933 --> 00:29:13,213
Speaker 3: up shop in Australia.

623
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Speaker 22: In a way that is correct. Previously I was like

624
00:29:15,853 --> 00:29:17,653
Speaker 22: I Okay, they want to go, they can go. Because

625
00:29:17,653 --> 00:29:19,973
Speaker 22: I love New Zealand quite a lot, I'll be very honest.

626
00:29:20,013 --> 00:29:22,973
Speaker 22: That's the reason why I initially moved here. And when

627
00:29:23,173 --> 00:29:25,453
Speaker 22: all of them went there, and then I saw certain

628
00:29:25,493 --> 00:29:29,493
Speaker 22: conditions happening here and then the job market, different things

629
00:29:29,493 --> 00:29:32,613
Speaker 22: were factors, and then all of them moved there and

630
00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:35,693
Speaker 22: you see things were easier there. Then you start to

631
00:29:35,773 --> 00:29:38,013
Speaker 22: question yourself as well as like, hey, am I just

632
00:29:38,013 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 22: staying here for the love of New Zealand or do

633
00:29:39,893 --> 00:29:43,213
Speaker 22: you want to progress in certain fields and move over there?

634
00:29:43,253 --> 00:29:46,333
Speaker 22: And that's the best option right now? So in a way, yes,

635
00:29:47,093 --> 00:29:50,533
Speaker 22: and having that supper system there was also quite huge

636
00:29:50,533 --> 00:29:52,573
Speaker 22: for us that okay, we will go there, won't just

637
00:29:52,613 --> 00:29:55,093
Speaker 22: be like a new countrary don't know anyone else where.

638
00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:56,733
Speaker 2: Did you move to New Zealand from?

639
00:29:57,653 --> 00:30:00,093
Speaker 22: Oh I moved from India and would.

640
00:29:59,853 --> 00:30:01,853
Speaker 2: You ever move back to India.

641
00:30:02,093 --> 00:30:05,653
Speaker 22: I'm considering that as well, So it depends. But there

642
00:30:05,693 --> 00:30:09,573
Speaker 22: was a choice between India and Australia. So in terms

643
00:30:09,613 --> 00:30:12,693
Speaker 22: of the culture, Australia is quite similar to New Zealand,

644
00:30:12,693 --> 00:30:15,773
Speaker 22: so that was an easy choice for us. But moving

645
00:30:15,773 --> 00:30:19,053
Speaker 22: back to India, I'm not too sure. At the stage.

646
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Speaker 3: Do you have kids?

647
00:30:20,813 --> 00:30:23,213
Speaker 2: I don't, right, Okay, it makes a bit easier, doesn't

648
00:30:23,253 --> 00:30:25,373
Speaker 2: it in terms of people pulling them out of school

649
00:30:25,413 --> 00:30:25,773
Speaker 2: and such?

650
00:30:26,493 --> 00:30:28,933
Speaker 22: Yeah, definitely, But no I do have other kids. I

651
00:30:28,973 --> 00:30:32,093
Speaker 22: have my four babies. Yeah, so they're there there.

652
00:30:32,453 --> 00:30:33,373
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's.

653
00:30:34,773 --> 00:30:36,373
Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you so much for your call.

654
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Speaker 3: Very interesting. I mean it is, you know, sadly, it

655
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Speaker 3: is the case that if you with someone like Rhea,

656
00:30:42,853 --> 00:30:45,973
Speaker 3: you don't have children yet, and you're thirty five years old,

657
00:30:46,173 --> 00:30:48,333
Speaker 3: and you've had a choice of three which sounds like

658
00:30:48,333 --> 00:30:50,173
Speaker 3: pretty good jobs, but then you have more and more

659
00:30:50,173 --> 00:30:52,293
Speaker 3: friends moving over there. It is a snowball effect, right,

660
00:30:52,533 --> 00:30:55,493
Speaker 3: The reasons to stay in New Zealand get harder and harder.

661
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Speaker 3: As much as you might love this country, and hopefully

662
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Speaker 3: we do love this country, the Paul, it just gets

663
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Speaker 3: too strong.

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Speaker 2: We're a couple with two kids in our late thirties

665
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Speaker 2: with senior positions. However, we will likely move to Ossie soon.

666
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Speaker 2: Until New Zealand's two poppy syndrome and lack of ambition

667
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Speaker 2: and schooling improves, more people will keep leaving. It's higher paid,

668
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Speaker 2: better schooling, and Australia is more ambitious and encourages people

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Speaker 2: to actually think forward the near planning. Their road planning

670
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Speaker 2: is better. N ZTA is a disaster.

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Speaker 3: That's from Sam. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean what I've got to say is grass is

673
00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:31,333
Speaker 2: always green with the Yeah. And often when people migrate

674
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Speaker 2: to another country, they leave behind a lot of the.

675
00:31:33,973 --> 00:31:35,533
Speaker 3: Baggage that they have for the country that.

676
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Speaker 2: They're in and they just knuckle down.

677
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Speaker 3: And make their way in that country.

678
00:31:40,453 --> 00:31:42,693
Speaker 2: You don't feel like you're owed anything in the country

679
00:31:42,693 --> 00:31:45,053
Speaker 2: that you move to, and you just have to double

680
00:31:45,093 --> 00:31:46,613
Speaker 2: down and get it on.

681
00:31:46,893 --> 00:31:48,093
Speaker 3: But like if after.

682
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Speaker 2: Twenty years talk to me, and I think you'll probably

683
00:31:49,773 --> 00:31:54,173
Speaker 2: find that there's plenty of problems in Australia. There's plenty

684
00:31:54,533 --> 00:31:56,973
Speaker 2: of those. I mean, you just have to listen to

685
00:31:57,693 --> 00:32:01,253
Speaker 2: any of the political dialogue out of Australia. You don't

686
00:32:01,293 --> 00:32:03,773
Speaker 2: hear too many of them saying everything's going fantastic over there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean jim My older bro. As much as

689
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Speaker 3: you love newcast Where, every time I have a chat

690
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Speaker 3: with him, he's always complaining about something going on in Aussie. Oh,

691
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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen minutes to two. Beggary shortly the.

693
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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and

694
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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 6: Matt and Tayler.

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Speaker 1: Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety attention to detail and

697
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Speaker 1: a commitment to comfort news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be thirteen to two.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about new figures around the amount of people

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Speaker 2: leaving New Zealand and people in their thirties and forties

701
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Speaker 2: and even fifties are leaving in record numbers. Rodney, welcome

702
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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 11: Oh hi, yeah, yeah, just I need storing up Danny

704
00:32:50,933 --> 00:32:53,453
Speaker 11: Watson years ago and swimming. But you guys are doing

705
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Speaker 11: a good job Rodney.

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Speaker 3: Big Danny.

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Speaker 2: But Jenny Watson fan me. Yeah, I still love I

708
00:32:59,173 --> 00:33:00,693
Speaker 2: still love Danny Watson. When I was a kid, I

709
00:33:00,773 --> 00:33:03,493
Speaker 2: watched him on What Now. Yeah, fantastic good man, great man.

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Speaker 11: Oh he's a karate guy.

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00:33:06,253 --> 00:33:08,133
Speaker 3: He is a karate guy. Yeah, you're a karate guy.

712
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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: He did say though, but I was a border camp.

714
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Speaker 11: But one of my step brothers he went in over

715
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Speaker 11: in Devonport. He was a boxer. He was half Moldy

716
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Speaker 11: Horris Dominic Light and he trained and got his back

717
00:33:22,453 --> 00:33:25,133
Speaker 11: doubt within two years. He brought all the.

718
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Speaker 3: Record Now that was my fault, Rodney sidetrack us. But

719
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Speaker 3: he will get back to the topic. So your son

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Speaker 3: he left the country in what last year was it?

721
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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 11: He lived in twenty sixteen, in April after the financial

723
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Speaker 11: yearned he was turning twenty five and July the twenty

724
00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:47,973
Speaker 11: sevens his birthday. Yeah, So he was a builder here

725
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Speaker 11: the catalogs he was a builder and he's skid about

726
00:33:51,973 --> 00:33:54,093
Speaker 11: so he'd been building since he had school sixteen. He

727
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Speaker 11: for eight years. He was getting about forty four forty

728
00:33:57,013 --> 00:34:00,013
Speaker 11: five dollars an hour. So I need to take him

729
00:34:00,053 --> 00:34:02,413
Speaker 11: to the Gold Coast because we've got family cousins over

730
00:34:02,453 --> 00:34:05,653
Speaker 11: there a lot in Brisbane when he was young. Anyway,

731
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Speaker 11: he got a job there and he was started on

732
00:34:07,853 --> 00:34:11,533
Speaker 11: sixty five dollars an hour. Yeah, in Crime and Gold

733
00:34:11,573 --> 00:34:16,372
Speaker 11: Coast here right yep. So he worked from until two

734
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Speaker 11: thousand and nineteen, the start of it, so he did

735
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Speaker 11: two and a half years and then that's two and

736
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Speaker 11: a half years. As wages went out, he used to

737
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Speaker 11: get pray roses of a dollar dollar fifty now every

738
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Speaker 11: six months because he was really reliable and efficient, so

739
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Speaker 11: they really rewarded him. He was on about seventy four

740
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Speaker 11: seventy five dollars an hour. Right, he used to work

741
00:34:35,973 --> 00:34:38,773
Speaker 11: long hours man, so it was all good, but you

742
00:34:38,813 --> 00:34:41,573
Speaker 11: know the cost of living can be more expensive in

743
00:34:41,573 --> 00:34:46,413
Speaker 11: Australia depends were your shop. And now he went into

744
00:34:46,453 --> 00:34:50,973
Speaker 11: business with a Kiwi guy, right, and an Australian guy

745
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:54,253
Speaker 11: over there at this before COVID it started. He started

746
00:34:54,253 --> 00:34:58,133
Speaker 11: in twenty nineteen, right, So he's been in there and

747
00:34:58,173 --> 00:35:01,453
Speaker 11: he's still doing it now. He's got a Kii missus

748
00:35:01,493 --> 00:35:03,493
Speaker 11: and you met over there because he's lots of Kelly's

749
00:35:03,533 --> 00:35:05,813
Speaker 11: living in Gold Coast three hundred thousand or something on

750
00:35:05,893 --> 00:35:09,453
Speaker 11: brilin than that. Yeah, he's I've been in business now

751
00:35:10,213 --> 00:35:13,212
Speaker 11: and he makes a killing, three of them and they

752
00:35:13,253 --> 00:35:16,453
Speaker 11: make you know, seven eight hundred thousand, are trying to

753
00:35:16,453 --> 00:35:19,613
Speaker 11: get to a million turnover. They work all around Gold

754
00:35:19,653 --> 00:35:22,933
Speaker 11: Coach in Brisbane, so he's making five or six thousand

755
00:35:23,013 --> 00:35:24,493
Speaker 11: turnover and.

756
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Speaker 2: You just don't think that would have been possible for

757
00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:27,173
Speaker 2: him to do that here in New Zealand.

758
00:35:29,013 --> 00:35:34,413
Speaker 11: Yeah he probably could. Yeah he can, yeah, because you

759
00:35:34,413 --> 00:35:36,413
Speaker 11: know you can when you've got the qualifications.

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Speaker 2: Is he ever coming back Rodney?

761
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Speaker 11: Do you think, yeah, I'll just get to that. So

762
00:35:42,573 --> 00:35:45,533
Speaker 11: he reckons because this new government. He really likes the

763
00:35:45,613 --> 00:35:50,413
Speaker 11: new especially you know businessman Luxing, right, he likes the

764
00:35:50,453 --> 00:35:53,693
Speaker 11: way and he reckons. If this government gets elected in

765
00:35:53,773 --> 00:35:56,493
Speaker 11: the extenty he's coming back in two twenty three and

766
00:35:56,533 --> 00:35:59,053
Speaker 11: he's got like more than a million dollars in the bank.

767
00:35:59,173 --> 00:36:02,333
Speaker 11: His wife works for Fox, likes Gyde TV, and they've

768
00:36:02,373 --> 00:36:05,813
Speaker 11: just been saving and saving. He's got enough money he's

769
00:36:05,853 --> 00:36:07,093
Speaker 11: going to buy a lifestyle block.

770
00:36:08,493 --> 00:36:08,973
Speaker 4: Yeah.

771
00:36:09,653 --> 00:36:11,973
Speaker 11: So he's going to come back of this government wins within.

772
00:36:12,053 --> 00:36:14,212
Speaker 11: I'm trying to trust his own because he wants he's

773
00:36:14,253 --> 00:36:17,253
Speaker 11: thirty five and July and his wife's about thirty.

774
00:36:17,293 --> 00:36:18,653
Speaker 3: You know what, I have kids, right.

775
00:36:18,653 --> 00:36:19,853
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Okay, we got there.

776
00:36:19,933 --> 00:36:22,173
Speaker 3: There you go. Successful.

777
00:36:22,173 --> 00:36:26,173
Speaker 2: He's been successful, but he's coming back a certain political result.

778
00:36:26,213 --> 00:36:28,493
Speaker 3: It's as well and bring us million dollar business. Yeah, yeah, good,

779
00:36:28,533 --> 00:36:31,893
Speaker 3: that's what we want. Thank you, Rodney. One hundred and

780
00:36:31,893 --> 00:36:33,533
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. We've got to take a break now.

781
00:36:33,533 --> 00:36:36,253
Speaker 3: Actually it is nine minutes to two.

782
00:36:39,453 --> 00:36:43,093
Speaker 1: Mattie's Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

783
00:36:43,093 --> 00:36:46,133
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty matt and Tayler Afternoon with the Volvo

784
00:36:46,453 --> 00:36:50,853
Speaker 1: XC ninety Tick every box a seamless experience awaits news talks.

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Speaker 3: BE news Talk said, be it is six to two.

786
00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:56,373
Speaker 3: Hey you, Jenny, Oh.

787
00:36:56,253 --> 00:36:59,453
Speaker 19: Good, thank you, he's I was wondering does anyone actually

788
00:36:59,453 --> 00:37:02,933
Speaker 19: stop to ask how Australia uses New Zealand in so

789
00:37:03,053 --> 00:37:06,533
Speaker 19: many ways because they're a big at Richard country and

790
00:37:07,173 --> 00:37:09,813
Speaker 19: mainly because of the mine in which they don't need

791
00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:12,293
Speaker 19: to worry about the environments and they just do it

792
00:37:13,053 --> 00:37:17,573
Speaker 19: and therefore they can pay high wages and so they're concerned.

793
00:37:17,773 --> 00:37:22,573
Speaker 19: We'll have your doctors, your nurses, your police engineers, and

794
00:37:23,653 --> 00:37:26,373
Speaker 19: I just think they don't really care about New Zealand.

795
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:26,813
Speaker 14: They just.

796
00:37:29,493 --> 00:37:31,773
Speaker 2: Australia, so they care about Australia. So I guess we

797
00:37:31,933 --> 00:37:34,893
Speaker 2: have to find out a way to keep our country

798
00:37:36,573 --> 00:37:39,773
Speaker 2: a place where our younger people and even there's those

799
00:37:39,773 --> 00:37:42,413
Speaker 2: in their cities four and fifties want to stay here.

800
00:37:43,413 --> 00:37:44,733
Speaker 3: And how do we do that? Genny? Have you got

801
00:37:44,733 --> 00:37:46,212
Speaker 3: any ideas well?

802
00:37:46,293 --> 00:37:48,652
Speaker 19: I think the government's on the right track with what

803
00:37:48,693 --> 00:37:53,973
Speaker 19: they're doing and getting more businesses here with people from

804
00:37:53,973 --> 00:37:59,652
Speaker 19: overseas with money and opening up the red tape and

805
00:37:59,693 --> 00:38:02,053
Speaker 19: that sort of thing. But for instance, the four main

806
00:38:02,133 --> 00:38:07,053
Speaker 19: banks Australian owned banks, they charge high rates to New

807
00:38:07,133 --> 00:38:10,653
Speaker 19: Zealanders and they do to their people the five ozero ones.

808
00:38:10,773 --> 00:38:12,853
Speaker 19: They I think they're called five o ones. I don't

809
00:38:12,893 --> 00:38:16,373
Speaker 19: quite no way, but they're sending people back who've done crimes,

810
00:38:16,453 --> 00:38:21,053
Speaker 19: many of them who went over there as babies and

811
00:38:21,093 --> 00:38:24,773
Speaker 19: even small children. Therefore they looked their crimes and when

812
00:38:24,813 --> 00:38:28,093
Speaker 19: they're in Australia. Yeah, and the worst criminal of all

813
00:38:28,373 --> 00:38:32,853
Speaker 19: is the most expensive musk murderer, who was an Australian.

814
00:38:33,173 --> 00:38:35,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you so much for your call, Jenny.

815
00:38:35,693 --> 00:38:38,413
Speaker 2: But I mean that's Australia's prerogative to use us to

816
00:38:39,453 --> 00:38:42,173
Speaker 2: grab our police officers and our nurses. But New Zealand

817
00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:43,853
Speaker 2: used to be a place that people really wanted to

818
00:38:43,893 --> 00:38:46,893
Speaker 2: migrate to, used to be a place where people were

819
00:38:47,173 --> 00:38:49,493
Speaker 2: not quite crawling over broken glass, but doing everything they

820
00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:51,453
Speaker 2: could to be here. And we need to get back

821
00:38:51,493 --> 00:38:52,293
Speaker 2: to that state.

822
00:38:52,173 --> 00:38:54,253
Speaker 3: The land of Elkon, Honey, We need to get back

823
00:38:54,293 --> 00:38:56,253
Speaker 3: to that. I mean a money talks, That's what it

824
00:38:56,293 --> 00:38:58,013
Speaker 3: comes down to for a lot of young people, right.

825
00:38:57,893 --> 00:39:00,053
Speaker 2: Money and opportunities, yeah, but also adventure.

826
00:39:00,213 --> 00:39:02,933
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, great discussion. Thank you very much for all

827
00:39:02,973 --> 00:39:06,293
Speaker 3: your phone calls and techs. We're going to float something

828
00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:10,053
Speaker 3: new after two o'clock, something you're really interested in because

829
00:39:10,053 --> 00:39:10,652
Speaker 3: you've never done it.

830
00:39:11,293 --> 00:39:14,053
Speaker 2: I'm very excited about this jury service. Is it your

831
00:39:14,093 --> 00:39:15,773
Speaker 2: obligation to do it for your country?

832
00:39:16,093 --> 00:39:18,133
Speaker 3: Get it now because we've already had a heap of

833
00:39:18,173 --> 00:39:20,373
Speaker 3: tix on this one. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

834
00:39:20,453 --> 00:39:22,613
Speaker 3: is the number to call and nine two nine two

835
00:39:22,653 --> 00:39:24,413
Speaker 3: is the text number. New Sport and Weather on. It's

836
00:39:24,413 --> 00:39:26,373
Speaker 3: way great to have your company. As always, you're listening

837
00:39:26,413 --> 00:39:27,133
Speaker 3: to Matt and Tyler.

838
00:39:27,173 --> 00:39:55,453
Speaker 16: Good afternoon, talking with you all afternoon.

839
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoon with the Volvo

840
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Speaker 1: XC ninety US Talks.

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Speaker 3: MB Good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Seven past too.

842
00:40:06,933 --> 00:40:09,373
Speaker 3: It's on the back of a review into our justice

843
00:40:09,373 --> 00:40:11,933
Speaker 3: system that's looking at a wide range of things in

844
00:40:11,973 --> 00:40:17,493
Speaker 3: relation to victims, to witnesses to jury service. But that

845
00:40:17,693 --> 00:40:19,212
Speaker 3: is what we want to focus on for the next

846
00:40:19,253 --> 00:40:21,653
Speaker 3: week while because you read that story.

847
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought, I've never done jury service. I

848
00:40:23,653 --> 00:40:25,413
Speaker 2: want to do jury service. I'd love to do it,

849
00:40:25,413 --> 00:40:27,373
Speaker 2: and it's kind of our obligation if you're if you're

850
00:40:27,373 --> 00:40:30,093
Speaker 2: a New Zealander, you're a citizen here. For the justice

851
00:40:30,093 --> 00:40:33,013
Speaker 2: system to work, we have to we have to do at

852
00:40:33,093 --> 00:40:35,172
Speaker 2: some point in our life, and you'd imagine a couple

853
00:40:35,213 --> 00:40:35,973
Speaker 2: of times.

854
00:40:35,693 --> 00:40:36,653
Speaker 3: Do jury service.

855
00:40:37,293 --> 00:40:39,733
Speaker 2: So when you get asked to do it, should you

856
00:40:39,853 --> 00:40:42,413
Speaker 2: move how in high water so you can do it,

857
00:40:42,973 --> 00:40:44,973
Speaker 2: or like a lot of us do, try and get

858
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Speaker 2: out of it.

859
00:40:45,453 --> 00:40:46,733
Speaker 3: Try and get out of it. You try and get

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Speaker 3: out of it.

861
00:40:47,213 --> 00:40:48,772
Speaker 2: You have you been asked because one hundred and thirty

862
00:40:48,813 --> 00:40:52,413
Speaker 2: thousand people getting a letter each year asking to, you know,

863
00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:53,172
Speaker 2: to be part of a.

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Speaker 3: Jury I got asked last year to be part of

865
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Speaker 3: jury service. And that's the first time I have been

866
00:40:58,093 --> 00:41:01,173
Speaker 3: asked because traditionally, in my former life as a journalist,

867
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Speaker 3: I thought I was exempt because I was part of

868
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Speaker 3: some of these court trials. And if you've got inside

869
00:41:05,453 --> 00:41:08,333
Speaker 3: a knowledge, or you're a reporter, go into these court trials,

870
00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:09,893
Speaker 3: which you shouldn't be able to do jury service.

871
00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:12,453
Speaker 2: What are you saying you were some kind of reporter? Yeah,

872
00:41:12,613 --> 00:41:14,293
Speaker 2: weren't you just the producer on the show?

873
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Speaker 3: How No, how are you more than that?

874
00:41:16,533 --> 00:41:16,652
Speaker 23: Oh?

875
00:41:16,773 --> 00:41:19,212
Speaker 3: Last year I was the producer. But going back in time,

876
00:41:19,733 --> 00:41:21,613
Speaker 3: I was a reporter and that was enough for you.

877
00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:23,732
Speaker 3: To get out of Duris service. Well it was until

878
00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:25,732
Speaker 3: that point. Then when I got the letter last year,

879
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:28,573
Speaker 3: and I still tried to say, hey, I'm in media,

880
00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:31,413
Speaker 3: I've got inside and knowledge about what happens in the court,

881
00:41:31,893 --> 00:41:34,333
Speaker 3: you know, in the court room and some of these trials,

882
00:41:34,613 --> 00:41:36,733
Speaker 3: whether or not that was true for the particular trial

883
00:41:36,733 --> 00:41:39,373
Speaker 3: I was called for, but it didn't matter, didn't matter.

884
00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:40,933
Speaker 3: I still had to go down. I got a letter

885
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:43,133
Speaker 3: from the company saying that we think Tyler should be

886
00:41:43,173 --> 00:41:45,973
Speaker 3: excused because he is part of the news media, which

887
00:41:46,013 --> 00:41:49,693
Speaker 3: could be a conflict of interest, but which could be

888
00:41:49,733 --> 00:41:51,613
Speaker 3: a conflict of interest. But that didn't matter. So I

889
00:41:51,653 --> 00:41:53,613
Speaker 3: still had to go down to the christ Chote court

890
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:57,013
Speaker 3: every morning at eight o'clock and we sat there waiting

891
00:41:57,013 --> 00:41:59,812
Speaker 3: for our trial to be called. So that was having

892
00:41:59,853 --> 00:42:01,933
Speaker 3: to three three mornings.

893
00:42:01,653 --> 00:42:03,773
Speaker 2: Three mornings, and then you didn't get called into.

894
00:42:03,613 --> 00:42:07,053
Speaker 3: A Duris no, no, no. So the first couple of

895
00:42:07,093 --> 00:42:10,253
Speaker 3: mornings we'd sit with the reach and that'd serve us

896
00:42:10,293 --> 00:42:13,053
Speaker 3: coffee and a cookie if we were there for long enough,

897
00:42:13,093 --> 00:42:14,413
Speaker 3: which is kind of nice. But we'd be there for

898
00:42:14,453 --> 00:42:16,172
Speaker 3: about an hour and a half before the register would

899
00:42:16,173 --> 00:42:17,933
Speaker 3: say it's not going to be called today, Can you

900
00:42:17,933 --> 00:42:20,652
Speaker 3: come back the same time tomorrow? Repeat that? And then

901
00:42:20,733 --> 00:42:22,813
Speaker 3: on the third day we got called up to the

902
00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:25,813
Speaker 3: actual courtroom. So the judge is there, You've got the

903
00:42:25,853 --> 00:42:29,573
Speaker 3: person convicted of the or been trial for the crime,

904
00:42:30,453 --> 00:42:33,252
Speaker 3: and the lawyers and so then they start the jury

905
00:42:33,293 --> 00:42:35,453
Speaker 3: selection at that point, and that is when they go

906
00:42:35,573 --> 00:42:39,173
Speaker 3: through each of the names and you either get a

907
00:42:39,253 --> 00:42:42,493
Speaker 3: challenge or you don't get a challenge. Challenge, No, didn't

908
00:42:42,493 --> 00:42:43,773
Speaker 3: get to me. In the end, I didn't get to

909
00:42:43,773 --> 00:42:47,093
Speaker 3: you there. So there would have been approximately fifty of

910
00:42:47,173 --> 00:42:49,212
Speaker 3: us and they only needed twelve.

911
00:42:49,013 --> 00:42:51,413
Speaker 2: Right, So you tried to get out of it, but

912
00:42:51,533 --> 00:42:53,813
Speaker 2: you failed. Yeah, So I'm saying you're a bad person,

913
00:42:53,893 --> 00:42:56,813
Speaker 2: bad person because I think that is your obligation to

914
00:42:57,253 --> 00:42:59,252
Speaker 2: do it and go in there with an open heart

915
00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:00,853
Speaker 2: and not try and slive the your way out of it,

916
00:43:00,893 --> 00:43:03,692
Speaker 2: because otherwise you're stabbing in a justice system in the back.

917
00:43:03,733 --> 00:43:08,253
Speaker 3: Mate. I hear your logic, and I love your zeal

918
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:11,413
Speaker 3: for justice, your zeal for justice and pride for this

919
00:43:11,453 --> 00:43:15,093
Speaker 3: country and looking after the systems that we hold hold there.

920
00:43:15,813 --> 00:43:17,812
Speaker 3: But there's a couple of reasons why I think people

921
00:43:17,813 --> 00:43:19,333
Speaker 3: try to get out of it. And why I try

922
00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:20,693
Speaker 3: to get out of it. And this texture is just

923
00:43:20,733 --> 00:43:23,853
Speaker 3: pinpointed the key one thirty five bucks they pay you

924
00:43:23,933 --> 00:43:25,893
Speaker 3: a day. How are you going to get the best

925
00:43:25,933 --> 00:43:29,333
Speaker 3: of the best of society, clever people who have had

926
00:43:29,453 --> 00:43:33,413
Speaker 3: experience and sound mind and logical thinking if you pay

927
00:43:33,453 --> 00:43:35,212
Speaker 3: them thirty five bucks a day to sit on a jury.

928
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:37,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a good point. And that's what

929
00:43:37,373 --> 00:43:38,973
Speaker 2: happened to Socrates, didn't it.

930
00:43:39,693 --> 00:43:41,173
Speaker 3: Did he get paid thirty five shekels?

931
00:43:41,253 --> 00:43:44,013
Speaker 2: No? No, that's why Socrates was forced to eat hemlock.

932
00:43:44,013 --> 00:43:45,893
Speaker 2: Because the only people that went on juries in ancient

933
00:43:45,893 --> 00:43:49,253
Speaker 2: Greek back then were retired soldiers, and so he was

934
00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:54,093
Speaker 2: a large a large room of angry old soldiers that

935
00:43:54,133 --> 00:43:55,453
Speaker 2: hated him because he was a bit of a sort

936
00:43:55,453 --> 00:43:57,773
Speaker 2: of vagrant. But anyway I'm taking I'm bringing.

937
00:43:57,733 --> 00:43:59,573
Speaker 3: Well, we should have learned a lesson three thousand years

938
00:43:59,573 --> 00:44:00,613
Speaker 3: ago that come on.

939
00:44:00,693 --> 00:44:04,173
Speaker 2: Well, well, those guys that committed Socrates to death they

940
00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:07,493
Speaker 2: suffered a huge price afterwards, because everyone was like, oh yeah, yea,

941
00:44:07,573 --> 00:44:09,493
Speaker 2: they came back from the jobs. I mean, what you've

942
00:44:09,533 --> 00:44:13,493
Speaker 2: sent its Socrates to death? But what about the Socratic questioning?

943
00:44:13,533 --> 00:44:16,173
Speaker 2: He was a great old guy walking around. Ethan's punishing

944
00:44:16,173 --> 00:44:17,813
Speaker 2: people with this chat. Now you put them to death

945
00:44:17,933 --> 00:44:19,413
Speaker 2: anyway by the bye.

946
00:44:19,493 --> 00:44:21,253
Speaker 3: Well, so, I mean that's a question I went under

947
00:44:21,293 --> 00:44:23,253
Speaker 3: an eighty ten eighty. Does there need to be a

948
00:44:23,253 --> 00:44:25,093
Speaker 3: bit of a review of the jury service or do

949
00:44:25,173 --> 00:44:27,573
Speaker 3: you as Matt says, you just need to do your

950
00:44:27,653 --> 00:44:30,533
Speaker 3: duty as a New Zealander and as yeah, and I

951
00:44:30,573 --> 00:44:32,413
Speaker 3: want to, but I don't get asked to do it.

952
00:44:32,453 --> 00:44:33,693
Speaker 3: For some reason. If there's one hundred and.

953
00:44:33,693 --> 00:44:35,293
Speaker 2: Thirty thousand people being asked to you, I'm not sure

954
00:44:35,293 --> 00:44:36,853
Speaker 2: why I'm not getting.

955
00:44:36,573 --> 00:44:37,013
Speaker 3: Asked to do it.

956
00:44:37,013 --> 00:44:39,053
Speaker 2: I would love to stand up and do my bit

957
00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:40,893
Speaker 2: for justice, but would like to hear from you. Do

958
00:44:40,973 --> 00:44:43,652
Speaker 2: you think that you owe your country to do it

959
00:44:43,693 --> 00:44:46,773
Speaker 2: and to take whatever sacrifice that is, even if it

960
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:47,973
Speaker 2: is it takes you a bit of a hit and

961
00:44:48,013 --> 00:44:50,213
Speaker 2: makes it very difficult to do your job. And I

962
00:44:50,253 --> 00:44:52,453
Speaker 2: know if you say you're a builder and you're up

963
00:44:52,533 --> 00:44:54,573
Speaker 2: against it and you're on a site or you know,

964
00:44:54,733 --> 00:44:57,853
Speaker 2: like a farmer or something ye where things had to happen,

965
00:44:57,893 --> 00:44:59,533
Speaker 2: you can see why it'd be very hard to do it.

966
00:44:59,693 --> 00:45:02,333
Speaker 2: And you know, sacrifices are harder for some people than others.

967
00:45:02,413 --> 00:45:05,573
Speaker 2: But I feel we should tend towards sacrificing something for

968
00:45:05,653 --> 00:45:08,093
Speaker 2: the good of our justice system, don't you. And also

969
00:45:08,133 --> 00:45:10,293
Speaker 2: like to different people that have done jury service and

970
00:45:10,573 --> 00:45:14,773
Speaker 2: their experiences on on juries and or the experience I'm

971
00:45:14,773 --> 00:45:17,893
Speaker 2: not getting on juries for whatever reason, if they if

972
00:45:17,933 --> 00:45:20,213
Speaker 2: they didn't, if they didn't get packed. Oh, e one

973
00:45:20,293 --> 00:45:22,453
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighties. The number nineteen nine two

974
00:45:22,493 --> 00:45:23,373
Speaker 2: is the text number.

975
00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:25,172
Speaker 3: I wonder why you haven't been called yet. There must

976
00:45:25,173 --> 00:45:27,652
Speaker 3: be a black black mark against your name every time?

977
00:45:27,813 --> 00:45:27,973
Speaker 5: Is that?

978
00:45:28,213 --> 00:45:31,133
Speaker 2: Oh, we've pulled Matt Heath again. I've been I've been

979
00:45:31,173 --> 00:45:32,733
Speaker 2: in this country a long time. I've been a citizen

980
00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:34,133
Speaker 2: for a very long time. You think they would have

981
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:36,652
Speaker 2: I'm just the kind of person that I reckon. I'd

982
00:45:36,653 --> 00:45:37,773
Speaker 2: be a great head of the juror.

983
00:45:37,853 --> 00:45:42,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, jury, I tell you you're the foreman. Yeah, people,

984
00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:44,853
Speaker 3: Matt Heath as your foreman. I would I want to

985
00:45:44,853 --> 00:45:46,413
Speaker 3: be the foreman. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten

986
00:45:46,453 --> 00:45:48,013
Speaker 3: eighties and number to call it. Hey, if you're if

987
00:45:48,013 --> 00:45:51,493
Speaker 3: you're the people that pulls out the who becomes a

988
00:45:51,533 --> 00:45:53,533
Speaker 3: jury or gets called for jury. Yeah, if you're listening

989
00:45:53,613 --> 00:45:55,013
Speaker 3: right now, Matt is keen to do it, so just

990
00:45:55,053 --> 00:45:57,053
Speaker 3: pull his name out of the ballot next time.

991
00:45:57,133 --> 00:45:58,893
Speaker 2: And also just on the off chance that we've got

992
00:45:58,893 --> 00:46:02,573
Speaker 2: someone listening right now that picks who goes in the jury,

993
00:46:02,813 --> 00:46:05,093
Speaker 2: you know, em barristers and such. Be interesting to hear.

994
00:46:05,173 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 2: What makes you pick someone to be in a jury

995
00:46:07,093 --> 00:46:09,772
Speaker 2: when it gets to that point, or denies them? Good

996
00:46:09,813 --> 00:46:12,213
Speaker 2: call one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two

997
00:46:12,253 --> 00:46:17,133
Speaker 2: is the text number thirteen past two.

998
00:46:15,933 --> 00:46:19,813
Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoon

999
00:46:19,973 --> 00:46:23,973
Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.

1000
00:46:24,053 --> 00:46:26,573
Speaker 6: Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News.

1001
00:46:26,373 --> 00:46:30,533
Speaker 3: Talk said, be good afternoon. It is quarter past two,

1002
00:46:30,573 --> 00:46:32,613
Speaker 3: and we're talking about jury service on the back of

1003
00:46:32,613 --> 00:46:35,453
Speaker 3: a wide, raging review into our justice system. But it

1004
00:46:35,573 --> 00:46:38,493
Speaker 3: was more for you, Matt, that you have never been

1005
00:46:38,693 --> 00:46:40,733
Speaker 3: on a jury, never been asked.

1006
00:46:40,813 --> 00:46:42,973
Speaker 2: Guys, I'm desperate to go on a jury, as is

1007
00:46:42,973 --> 00:46:45,013
Speaker 2: my civic duty. At forty seven years old, I've never

1008
00:46:45,093 --> 00:46:48,813
Speaker 2: been summoned. My wife had has had at least twelve

1009
00:46:48,893 --> 00:46:52,773
Speaker 2: summons over the years, always gets out of it. Dan Hi, Matt,

1010
00:46:52,973 --> 00:46:54,773
Speaker 2: You're not the only one. I'm fifty two years old,

1011
00:46:54,893 --> 00:46:56,973
Speaker 2: I've never been called Hi, guys, I'm the same as

1012
00:46:57,013 --> 00:47:00,933
Speaker 2: you met. I'm fifty six years old, never been asked

1013
00:47:00,933 --> 00:47:02,853
Speaker 2: to do jurysrus. I would be happy to do it.

1014
00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:05,333
Speaker 2: No idea why some of us have been left.

1015
00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:07,573
Speaker 3: What is the process? Is it like a lot of

1016
00:47:07,653 --> 00:47:09,533
Speaker 3: Is it like a ruler? They just pull a name

1017
00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:11,133
Speaker 3: out of a hat and think, Okayred.

1018
00:47:11,213 --> 00:47:13,853
Speaker 2: Thirty thousand people get the letter a year, so you know,

1019
00:47:13,973 --> 00:47:15,813
Speaker 2: I've been around the sun a few times. You think

1020
00:47:15,813 --> 00:47:18,652
Speaker 2: ould have got it, Susan, Welcome to the show. You've

1021
00:47:18,693 --> 00:47:20,813
Speaker 2: got Juris service on Monday? Is that correct?

1022
00:47:21,733 --> 00:47:25,013
Speaker 21: Yes, I do, and I am going to turn up.

1023
00:47:26,813 --> 00:47:29,172
Speaker 21: But I want to do everything I can to not

1024
00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:32,893
Speaker 21: be selected because a few reasons. I have a few

1025
00:47:33,813 --> 00:47:37,853
Speaker 21: friends who have been on juries that have been pretty gruesome,

1026
00:47:38,133 --> 00:47:42,093
Speaker 21: like murders for example, or rape cases, and they can't

1027
00:47:42,213 --> 00:47:42,773
Speaker 21: unsee it.

1028
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:43,893
Speaker 18: Just to this day.

1029
00:47:44,653 --> 00:47:47,533
Speaker 21: They are just members of the public who are not

1030
00:47:47,653 --> 00:47:51,373
Speaker 21: trained to be exposed to that level of trauma, and

1031
00:47:51,813 --> 00:47:54,772
Speaker 21: they still carry that pile with them.

1032
00:47:55,053 --> 00:47:57,493
Speaker 2: Do you think, Susan, that's part of our duty as

1033
00:47:57,533 --> 00:48:00,933
Speaker 2: a New Zealand, as a member of the society.

1034
00:48:00,493 --> 00:48:02,413
Speaker 21: With the justice we had, part of your duty to

1035
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:08,613
Speaker 21: be exposed to somebody else's rape case, someone who's well.

1036
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:09,973
Speaker 21: Isn't that what we have judges for?

1037
00:48:10,493 --> 00:48:15,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Susan, we believe in and you know, the

1038
00:48:15,213 --> 00:48:17,573
Speaker 2: system where we're judged by a jury of our peers.

1039
00:48:17,613 --> 00:48:18,693
Speaker 3: Do you see value in.

1040
00:48:18,693 --> 00:48:21,373
Speaker 21: That in professional juries like they do in the states

1041
00:48:21,413 --> 00:48:26,573
Speaker 21: that actually are aware and trained to deal with these situations.

1042
00:48:27,053 --> 00:48:31,733
Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to that professional juries because you're you know.

1043
00:48:30,933 --> 00:48:32,933
Speaker 21: Because if you're just a Joe Blogs member of the

1044
00:48:32,933 --> 00:48:39,013
Speaker 21: public and you know, you don't, Yeah, they still can't

1045
00:48:39,093 --> 00:48:41,733
Speaker 21: unsee what they saw. So you're then creating a ripple

1046
00:48:41,773 --> 00:48:44,493
Speaker 21: effect of another victim that has to re expose to

1047
00:48:44,573 --> 00:48:45,213
Speaker 21: that trauma.

1048
00:48:45,693 --> 00:48:49,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess so, I guess, Susan. The problem

1049
00:48:49,133 --> 00:48:52,173
Speaker 2: with that is, though, if you if we're appointing jurors,

1050
00:48:52,853 --> 00:48:55,453
Speaker 2: then that becomes a class of people that decide what

1051
00:48:55,613 --> 00:48:57,973
Speaker 2: happens to people. Whereas the beauty of the jury system

1052
00:48:58,093 --> 00:49:00,653
Speaker 2: is it is all of us get to go and

1053
00:49:01,253 --> 00:49:03,533
Speaker 2: have our say at some point, and so you can

1054
00:49:03,533 --> 00:49:06,973
Speaker 2: get judged by other people. Otherwise they become almost political appointments,

1055
00:49:07,013 --> 00:49:09,613
Speaker 2: don't they. If it so, who would decide who the

1056
00:49:09,693 --> 00:49:10,653
Speaker 2: jurors word Susan.

1057
00:49:11,493 --> 00:49:14,732
Speaker 21: Yeah, well, I'm all for civil duty, like I'm a JP, right,

1058
00:49:15,533 --> 00:49:17,773
Speaker 21: I believe in the incident. I believe in this. You

1059
00:49:19,253 --> 00:49:23,973
Speaker 21: appreciate it, So I can't actually, but I will still

1060
00:49:23,973 --> 00:49:26,613
Speaker 21: do everything I can. The other reason that I don't

1061
00:49:26,613 --> 00:49:29,413
Speaker 21: want to attend it is because if as a jury,

1062
00:49:29,733 --> 00:49:34,613
Speaker 21: for example, we found the defendant guilty. For example, what

1063
00:49:34,653 --> 00:49:36,652
Speaker 21: if I don't agree with the sentencing. What if the

1064
00:49:36,693 --> 00:49:39,973
Speaker 21: sentencing is so light as it is in so many

1065
00:49:40,013 --> 00:49:43,133
Speaker 21: cases as we continually shake our head about in this country,

1066
00:49:43,413 --> 00:49:46,053
Speaker 21: what is the sentencing is so light that I just

1067
00:49:46,293 --> 00:49:47,453
Speaker 21: can't believe the outcome.

1068
00:49:48,293 --> 00:49:49,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like you, you just have to do. You

1069
00:49:49,973 --> 00:49:52,573
Speaker 2: just have to do what you thought was right. You'd

1070
00:49:52,613 --> 00:49:55,173
Speaker 2: have to put your case across to the other jurors,

1071
00:49:55,453 --> 00:49:57,533
Speaker 2: and then you can't control the whole justice system. You

1072
00:49:57,533 --> 00:49:59,213
Speaker 2: would have to just be the best you could be.

1073
00:49:59,333 --> 00:50:00,693
Speaker 2: Is the cog you are in the system?

1074
00:50:00,813 --> 00:50:07,293
Speaker 21: Season Yeah that's true. But then if the sentencing is

1075
00:50:07,293 --> 00:50:12,053
Speaker 21: so incredibly light, that just makes me shake my head

1076
00:50:12,053 --> 00:50:14,173
Speaker 21: at the whole justice system. I have so little faith

1077
00:50:14,213 --> 00:50:17,053
Speaker 21: in our sentencing system that I don't want to be

1078
00:50:17,093 --> 00:50:18,853
Speaker 21: a part of it. And I should be able to

1079
00:50:18,853 --> 00:50:21,773
Speaker 21: say I have so little faith in our sentencing system

1080
00:50:22,093 --> 00:50:23,533
Speaker 21: that I don't want to be a part of it.

1081
00:50:23,733 --> 00:50:25,133
Speaker 3: So you're going in on Monday.

1082
00:50:25,853 --> 00:50:27,133
Speaker 21: What are you doing in on Monday?

1083
00:50:27,253 --> 00:50:31,453
Speaker 2: Did you write anything because you can request to be

1084
00:50:31,613 --> 00:50:35,453
Speaker 2: exempt from jury service? Did you try that path when

1085
00:50:35,493 --> 00:50:36,893
Speaker 2: the leader came, No.

1086
00:50:36,813 --> 00:50:37,333
Speaker 8: I didn't.

1087
00:50:37,653 --> 00:50:40,053
Speaker 21: I'm going to go in person and make it known

1088
00:50:40,173 --> 00:50:42,732
Speaker 21: with my voice.

1089
00:50:43,293 --> 00:50:45,053
Speaker 3: You're given the way to chat to the judge, right,

1090
00:50:45,093 --> 00:50:45,973
Speaker 3: so are you going to make it.

1091
00:50:46,013 --> 00:50:48,333
Speaker 21: Right to wait and chat to the judge and just say,

1092
00:50:48,933 --> 00:50:52,172
Speaker 21: you know, I'm sure that judge is totally across every

1093
00:50:52,213 --> 00:50:54,893
Speaker 21: single thing in the news media. You don't even have

1094
00:50:54,973 --> 00:50:57,573
Speaker 21: to you don't have to do anything to knock the

1095
00:50:57,613 --> 00:51:01,253
Speaker 21: top off the amount of ridiculous weak as sentencing cases

1096
00:51:01,293 --> 00:51:05,213
Speaker 21: that this country delivers. And I will, and I believe

1097
00:51:05,333 --> 00:51:07,333
Speaker 21: that I should have a right to say I have

1098
00:51:07,373 --> 00:51:10,333
Speaker 21: faith in the legal city, I want to participate, or

1099
00:51:10,373 --> 00:51:12,853
Speaker 21: I don't have faith in this legal system, particularly the

1100
00:51:12,893 --> 00:51:15,853
Speaker 21: sentencing and I should have a right not to participate.

1101
00:51:15,933 --> 00:51:16,253
Speaker 14: I have it.

1102
00:51:16,493 --> 00:51:17,373
Speaker 8: I'm already a JP.

1103
00:51:17,573 --> 00:51:18,813
Speaker 21: It's not about civil duty.

1104
00:51:19,093 --> 00:51:19,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will.

1105
00:51:19,733 --> 00:51:21,613
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your cool Susan. Be interesting

1106
00:51:21,613 --> 00:51:23,813
Speaker 2: to see how it goes. Get hold of us when

1107
00:51:23,813 --> 00:51:26,053
Speaker 2: you've when you've been and see how see what the

1108
00:51:26,133 --> 00:51:27,773
Speaker 2: judge did to you? Will will will you bring us

1109
00:51:27,813 --> 00:51:31,373
Speaker 2: back after? I'd love to love, love to hear how.

1110
00:51:31,733 --> 00:51:34,213
Speaker 21: I'm telling you in Monday afternoon saying I got my march.

1111
00:51:35,653 --> 00:51:39,773
Speaker 3: That okay, I thank you very much. See I can

1112
00:51:39,853 --> 00:51:42,333
Speaker 3: I can understand with the first points that if you

1113
00:51:42,413 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 3: ask someone who doesn't want to be subjected to video

1114
00:51:45,413 --> 00:51:48,773
Speaker 3: or photographs or evidence related to some pretty heinous crimes,

1115
00:51:48,893 --> 00:51:51,413
Speaker 3: that may taint your judgment when trying to decide but

1116
00:51:51,573 --> 00:51:52,533
Speaker 3: someone's guilty or inness.

1117
00:51:52,533 --> 00:51:54,692
Speaker 2: But I would say that that you're just putting that

1118
00:51:54,773 --> 00:51:56,853
Speaker 2: onto some other New Zealand citizen that has to do it.

1119
00:51:56,893 --> 00:51:58,732
Speaker 2: So you're saying I don't want to see that, but

1120
00:51:59,573 --> 00:52:02,293
Speaker 2: someone has to see it.

1121
00:52:00,893 --> 00:52:04,853
Speaker 3: Maybe it's I think that I would. I would do

1122
00:52:04,933 --> 00:52:06,933
Speaker 3: it if I got caught up to the jury and

1123
00:52:06,973 --> 00:52:09,013
Speaker 3: it was a pretty heenous crime, I would still sit

1124
00:52:09,093 --> 00:52:11,773
Speaker 3: through it and do my duty because I have been

1125
00:52:11,813 --> 00:52:13,893
Speaker 3: called up to do that and you've got someone's life

1126
00:52:13,893 --> 00:52:15,773
Speaker 3: in your hands. But if you were someone that is

1127
00:52:15,813 --> 00:52:17,813
Speaker 3: so squeamish about those things and you just turn a

1128
00:52:17,813 --> 00:52:21,172
Speaker 3: blind eye, or indeed it tain'ts your view that you've

1129
00:52:21,173 --> 00:52:23,693
Speaker 3: seen some keeness photographs something of course guilty.

1130
00:52:23,733 --> 00:52:25,813
Speaker 2: A lot of people were squeamish about blood but still

1131
00:52:25,813 --> 00:52:27,333
Speaker 2: went to World War One and World War Two.

1132
00:52:27,413 --> 00:52:28,172
Speaker 3: They were the best of us.

1133
00:52:28,293 --> 00:52:30,812
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just have to do things that are tough

1134
00:52:30,853 --> 00:52:32,613
Speaker 2: for the good of your country, and the justice system

1135
00:52:32,693 --> 00:52:34,853
Speaker 2: is something that we need. So if you're asked to

1136
00:52:34,893 --> 00:52:37,293
Speaker 2: stand up, then I believe you have to stand up.

1137
00:52:37,293 --> 00:52:40,133
Speaker 2: Whether it's going to be want you for the rest

1138
00:52:40,133 --> 00:52:42,172
Speaker 2: of your life or not. We have to make sacrifices

1139
00:52:42,213 --> 00:52:42,773
Speaker 2: for our country.

1140
00:52:42,813 --> 00:52:44,173
Speaker 3: What about our last part. I don't know if I

1141
00:52:44,173 --> 00:52:46,093
Speaker 3: can agree with the last part. And yes, I get

1142
00:52:46,693 --> 00:52:50,413
Speaker 3: there's some being some some really lightweight sentencing, but that's

1143
00:52:50,453 --> 00:52:52,253
Speaker 3: out of your hands. You've done your duty at that

1144
00:52:52,333 --> 00:52:55,693
Speaker 3: point and that's you know, you can't take responsibility for

1145
00:52:55,693 --> 00:52:56,373
Speaker 3: what the judge does.

1146
00:52:57,333 --> 00:53:00,013
Speaker 2: Nigel, your thoughts on jury service.

1147
00:53:00,573 --> 00:53:04,933
Speaker 24: Hey, guys, completely agree with Susan. I hit a cobber

1148
00:53:04,973 --> 00:53:06,973
Speaker 24: who was a teacher, and he had to go and

1149
00:53:07,493 --> 00:53:10,533
Speaker 24: look at images of a woman that was the same

1150
00:53:10,613 --> 00:53:14,093
Speaker 24: age as his mother. She's been beaten, black and blue raped,

1151
00:53:14,293 --> 00:53:18,453
Speaker 24: and they saw the pictures and basically the guy changes

1152
00:53:18,733 --> 00:53:22,053
Speaker 24: his verdict or changes plea rather halfway through, but he said,

1153
00:53:22,053 --> 00:53:25,172
Speaker 24: I couldn't unsee that. But I've got a slight other

1154
00:53:25,293 --> 00:53:29,213
Speaker 24: take on it is that your employer is not obligated

1155
00:53:29,253 --> 00:53:32,613
Speaker 24: to pay you whilst you're away. Now, the court will

1156
00:53:32,613 --> 00:53:35,573
Speaker 24: pay you thirty one dollars per half day for the

1157
00:53:35,613 --> 00:53:36,733
Speaker 24: first five days.

1158
00:53:36,493 --> 00:53:36,973
Speaker 18: That you're there.

1159
00:53:37,253 --> 00:53:37,533
Speaker 5: Yep.

1160
00:53:38,333 --> 00:53:41,053
Speaker 24: Now, if you've got no sick days or holidays left,

1161
00:53:41,613 --> 00:53:45,853
Speaker 24: you're getting sixty two dollars a day, and you know,

1162
00:53:45,933 --> 00:53:48,493
Speaker 24: and then beyond that you can get forty dollars a

1163
00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:49,493
Speaker 24: day or half day.

1164
00:53:49,893 --> 00:53:50,613
Speaker 13: Big whoop.

1165
00:53:51,813 --> 00:53:53,933
Speaker 2: I guess that's part of the sacrifice, isn't it that

1166
00:53:54,013 --> 00:53:56,453
Speaker 2: you're making for to be part of a country with

1167
00:53:56,533 --> 00:53:57,333
Speaker 2: a justice system.

1168
00:53:57,973 --> 00:53:58,212
Speaker 11: Yep.

1169
00:53:58,453 --> 00:54:02,172
Speaker 24: Now you're a builder, you've signed a contract, you've got

1170
00:54:02,493 --> 00:54:05,133
Speaker 24: the jury duty come up, you've deferred it for twelve months,

1171
00:54:06,253 --> 00:54:07,813
Speaker 24: and you're a soul trader.

1172
00:54:08,013 --> 00:54:08,853
Speaker 11: You've got to do it.

1173
00:54:09,173 --> 00:54:12,573
Speaker 24: And suddenly you've got to then right into the court

1174
00:54:12,613 --> 00:54:15,973
Speaker 24: and plead financial hardship to get out of it. You're

1175
00:54:16,093 --> 00:54:18,293
Speaker 24: to fill out a whole lot of forms, and every

1176
00:54:18,373 --> 00:54:22,133
Speaker 24: day that your contract runs over, you're getting penalized. So

1177
00:54:22,613 --> 00:54:25,773
Speaker 24: that is a legitimate case that I know of.

1178
00:54:26,133 --> 00:54:28,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally see that with a builder would

1179
00:54:28,253 --> 00:54:31,013
Speaker 2: be terrible. And there's no doubt that it's not a

1180
00:54:31,053 --> 00:54:34,613
Speaker 2: perfect system. But when you say it's the best system

1181
00:54:34,613 --> 00:54:37,172
Speaker 2: we've got, I mean, what's the other possibility. We as

1182
00:54:37,173 --> 00:54:39,253
Speaker 2: a country, we don't have enough money to pay people

1183
00:54:40,253 --> 00:54:43,613
Speaker 2: their full wage when they're there. And yeah, I mean

1184
00:54:43,653 --> 00:54:46,613
Speaker 2: it's so tough with people at farmers and builders, as

1185
00:54:46,613 --> 00:54:49,293
Speaker 2: I said before, because it's not just about the money,

1186
00:54:49,373 --> 00:54:52,733
Speaker 2: it's about getting the job done and the time that

1187
00:54:52,853 --> 00:54:55,053
Speaker 2: needs to be done around wather and around contracts and

1188
00:54:55,053 --> 00:54:55,893
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.

1189
00:54:55,973 --> 00:54:56,373
Speaker 6: I get it.

1190
00:54:56,373 --> 00:54:59,293
Speaker 2: But would you say, Nigel, we just haven't come up

1191
00:54:59,293 --> 00:55:01,973
Speaker 2: with a better system than then a jury of your peers.

1192
00:55:03,293 --> 00:55:06,453
Speaker 24: Well, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I also have

1193
00:55:06,533 --> 00:55:09,053
Speaker 24: been called up five times years.

1194
00:55:09,253 --> 00:55:10,653
Speaker 3: Wow.

1195
00:55:12,213 --> 00:55:12,652
Speaker 5: No, I know.

1196
00:55:12,853 --> 00:55:15,533
Speaker 24: It is literally a lottery. It is an electoral role.

1197
00:55:16,773 --> 00:55:19,573
Speaker 24: And first three times my employe was able to get

1198
00:55:19,573 --> 00:55:21,573
Speaker 24: me out of it. They changed the rules. You can

1199
00:55:21,573 --> 00:55:24,172
Speaker 24: now only defer it up to twelve months and then

1200
00:55:24,733 --> 00:55:28,333
Speaker 24: that's you know. I even when I went along there

1201
00:55:28,373 --> 00:55:30,493
Speaker 24: was a woman who was about seven months pregnant, and

1202
00:55:30,533 --> 00:55:36,293
Speaker 24: that Joe dismissed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and she was

1203
00:55:36,573 --> 00:55:38,933
Speaker 24: she knew she would be, but she still had to

1204
00:55:38,933 --> 00:55:42,613
Speaker 24: turn up sign the name and actually went thank you.

1205
00:55:42,773 --> 00:55:44,573
Speaker 5: I having she had, well.

1206
00:55:44,413 --> 00:55:46,893
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your call, Nigel. I appreciate that.

1207
00:55:46,973 --> 00:55:49,652
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean it's it's horrific some of

1208
00:55:49,653 --> 00:55:51,733
Speaker 2: the things you see. Is there something wrong with me?

1209
00:55:51,773 --> 00:55:51,933
Speaker 5: Though?

1210
00:55:51,973 --> 00:55:53,333
Speaker 2: Is that if I had the juris service, And I

1211
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:56,413
Speaker 2: think I've probably watched too much, too many movies and

1212
00:55:56,453 --> 00:55:58,373
Speaker 2: see us I but I would want to go to

1213
00:55:58,413 --> 00:56:00,692
Speaker 2: one of them. I would want to go to a

1214
00:56:00,973 --> 00:56:04,933
Speaker 2: high profile murder trial. That's what I'd want. I'd want

1215
00:56:04,933 --> 00:56:06,053
Speaker 2: to be in the big picture. I don't want to

1216
00:56:06,093 --> 00:56:06,893
Speaker 2: be part of the big game.

1217
00:56:07,653 --> 00:56:09,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you say that now, and I'm just

1218
00:56:09,853 --> 00:56:12,533
Speaker 3: having to think about it. And and like I mentioned before,

1219
00:56:12,693 --> 00:56:16,252
Speaker 3: I was a journalist for some years and covered quite

1220
00:56:16,293 --> 00:56:19,732
Speaker 3: a few of those, some high profile murder cases. And

1221
00:56:20,013 --> 00:56:24,692
Speaker 3: it started off as relatively exciting, but very quickly you realize, no,

1222
00:56:24,853 --> 00:56:26,732
Speaker 3: this is crazy. And I was having some strange dreams.

1223
00:56:26,773 --> 00:56:28,493
Speaker 2: I think I've got a romanticized version of it from

1224
00:56:28,533 --> 00:56:29,293
Speaker 2: watching too many moves.

1225
00:56:29,293 --> 00:56:30,573
Speaker 3: Well, we're still going to get you on a jury,

1226
00:56:30,613 --> 00:56:31,493
Speaker 3: you know that's important.

1227
00:56:31,613 --> 00:56:34,293
Speaker 2: But I put to myself in one of the twelve

1228
00:56:34,293 --> 00:56:36,212
Speaker 2: Angry Men, one of the greatest movies of all time.

1229
00:56:36,573 --> 00:56:37,493
Speaker 3: I've eight one hundred eight.

1230
00:56:38,053 --> 00:56:40,813
Speaker 2: This is retirees of the perfect juris life experience and

1231
00:56:40,893 --> 00:56:41,733
Speaker 2: time on their hands.

1232
00:56:41,813 --> 00:56:42,973
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but good cool.

1233
00:56:42,813 --> 00:56:44,533
Speaker 2: Look what they did is Socrates.

1234
00:56:44,933 --> 00:56:46,172
Speaker 3: It's twenty six past two.

1235
00:56:50,853 --> 00:56:54,533
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1236
00:56:54,573 --> 00:56:56,293
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk said.

1237
00:56:56,133 --> 00:56:58,613
Speaker 3: The twenty eight past two having a great discussion about

1238
00:56:58,693 --> 00:56:59,413
Speaker 3: jury service.

1239
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:02,373
Speaker 2: I've got a bunch of texts and phone calls coming

1240
00:57:02,413 --> 00:57:03,413
Speaker 2: through for the first time.

1241
00:57:03,453 --> 00:57:04,413
Speaker 3: I agree with Matt.

1242
00:57:04,293 --> 00:57:05,893
Speaker 2: Says this text out. That's this point I don't want

1243
00:57:05,893 --> 00:57:08,253
Speaker 2: people agreeing with me one hundred percent. Degree is part

1244
00:57:08,253 --> 00:57:12,653
Speaker 2: of our civic responsibility. I did juris surfy for duty

1245
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:15,133
Speaker 2: for a yucky attempted murder trial several years ago. It

1246
00:57:15,173 --> 00:57:18,453
Speaker 2: wasn't pretty, and it's the same with the caller who

1247
00:57:18,493 --> 00:57:20,933
Speaker 2: was freaked out by the evidence. But everyone still did

1248
00:57:20,973 --> 00:57:23,373
Speaker 2: their job and did it really well. Made me proud

1249
00:57:23,413 --> 00:57:25,453
Speaker 2: of our system. That's John from dened and thank you

1250
00:57:25,453 --> 00:57:27,693
Speaker 2: so much for your text. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

1251
00:57:27,733 --> 00:57:29,933
Speaker 2: If you don't do it because you say that people

1252
00:57:29,933 --> 00:57:32,253
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to do it. Because of the horrible images.

1253
00:57:32,293 --> 00:57:34,573
Speaker 2: They say that means you're just pushing it down the

1254
00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:36,573
Speaker 2: track to the next person that comes through and will

1255
00:57:36,613 --> 00:57:39,813
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, it's I just think it's part of

1256
00:57:39,853 --> 00:57:42,053
Speaker 2: being you know, if you want a justice system in

1257
00:57:42,053 --> 00:57:44,573
Speaker 2: your country, then until we come up with a better

1258
00:57:44,613 --> 00:57:47,853
Speaker 2: one than this, then it's going to involve all of

1259
00:57:47,933 --> 00:57:51,373
Speaker 2: us doing it if we're asked to and can Someone says, well,

1260
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:54,493
Speaker 2: have three judges and majority rules, easy, Yeah, but who

1261
00:57:54,573 --> 00:57:57,453
Speaker 2: appoints the judges? And that's what the beauty of the system.

1262
00:57:57,453 --> 00:58:01,893
Speaker 2: It's twelve randomly selected. Well, it's not actually randomly selected,

1263
00:58:01,893 --> 00:58:05,053
Speaker 2: because you know they can you know, get vetoed in

1264
00:58:05,093 --> 00:58:07,733
Speaker 2: court whatever. But that's the basic principle of it, is

1265
00:58:07,733 --> 00:58:10,613
Speaker 2: that you're getting judged by your fellow citizens. Yeah, as

1266
00:58:10,613 --> 00:58:12,133
Speaker 2: opposed to appointed judges.

1267
00:58:12,493 --> 00:58:14,813
Speaker 3: Exactly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties And I'm

1268
00:58:14,813 --> 00:58:15,893
Speaker 3: going to call Ian, how are.

1269
00:58:15,813 --> 00:58:17,773
Speaker 24: You hi, guys?

1270
00:58:17,893 --> 00:58:18,213
Speaker 25: Traevel?

1271
00:58:18,293 --> 00:58:21,493
Speaker 24: Thirteen years ago I did a trial in the Auckland

1272
00:58:21,493 --> 00:58:24,373
Speaker 24: District Court that was set down for one week but

1273
00:58:24,533 --> 00:58:28,733
Speaker 24: ended up going for two. So I think in those

1274
00:58:28,893 --> 00:58:32,693
Speaker 24: days we were paid by our companies for the first week.

1275
00:58:32,693 --> 00:58:34,773
Speaker 24: I'm not sure, and I just said listen, I'll have

1276
00:58:34,893 --> 00:58:39,093
Speaker 24: the second week as holidays. I was keen to do

1277
00:58:39,173 --> 00:58:41,413
Speaker 24: it a little bit like Matt. I thought it's my

1278
00:58:42,573 --> 00:58:45,373
Speaker 24: civic duty to be part of the community and do

1279
00:58:45,493 --> 00:58:47,773
Speaker 24: these sorts of things, whether I like it or not.

1280
00:58:48,133 --> 00:58:51,573
Speaker 24: I was also interested in going through the process and

1281
00:58:51,613 --> 00:58:54,453
Speaker 24: see what actually happened. And I was worried that I

1282
00:58:54,533 --> 00:58:58,453
Speaker 24: was going to be unselected. You just basically stand up

1283
00:58:58,853 --> 00:59:00,973
Speaker 24: and walk to the jury box. If you sit down,

1284
00:59:01,053 --> 00:59:04,653
Speaker 24: you're in. They can appeal and you're out. Before that,

1285
00:59:05,053 --> 00:59:08,493
Speaker 24: no questions asked anything. So I sat down, thought right,

1286
00:59:08,533 --> 00:59:12,533
Speaker 24: I'm in, baby, And the trial was one of a

1287
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:17,173
Speaker 24: sexual nature. We spent a lot of time in the

1288
00:59:17,253 --> 00:59:20,653
Speaker 24: jury room because of I was going to say points

1289
00:59:20,653 --> 00:59:23,053
Speaker 24: of order, but it was points of law. We weren't

1290
00:59:23,053 --> 00:59:26,653
Speaker 24: allowed to listen to the legal arguments. We were evicted

1291
00:59:26,693 --> 00:59:29,013
Speaker 24: from the whole building twice because.

1292
00:59:28,733 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 11: Of bomb threats.

1293
00:59:29,933 --> 00:59:33,373
Speaker 24: Wow, wow, this is Yukland District Court. So we got

1294
00:59:33,773 --> 00:59:36,373
Speaker 24: and there's a hotel around the back. We hung around

1295
00:59:36,373 --> 00:59:39,613
Speaker 24: in the fire and there. It was interesting to watch

1296
00:59:39,653 --> 00:59:45,573
Speaker 24: the two sorts of approaches of the prosecution and the defense,

1297
00:59:45,613 --> 00:59:49,733
Speaker 24: and I thought the defense guy made them look Stupid's

1298
00:59:50,213 --> 00:59:53,333
Speaker 24: because it wasn't a huge trial. I don't think the

1299
00:59:53,373 --> 00:59:56,853
Speaker 24: prosecution had seen your lawyers on it. They didn't look

1300
00:59:56,893 --> 01:00:01,053
Speaker 24: particularly old. But this defense guy, he was just onto it.

1301
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:06,013
Speaker 24: And anyway, it was thirty nine chargers in all. And

1302
01:00:06,413 --> 01:00:08,213
Speaker 24: at the end of it we were retired to the

1303
01:00:08,413 --> 01:00:12,573
Speaker 24: jury room. We had our verdict before we even got

1304
01:00:12,573 --> 01:00:19,253
Speaker 24: the transcript. We had a verdict within an hour and so,

1305
01:00:19,693 --> 01:00:22,013
Speaker 24: and it was not for the prosecution.

1306
01:00:22,133 --> 01:00:24,693
Speaker 2: Right, and so did you have a discussion?

1307
01:00:25,773 --> 01:00:30,693
Speaker 24: And this young we had this young fellow on the jury.

1308
01:00:31,093 --> 01:00:33,133
Speaker 24: He wore a tie, so he thought he was better

1309
01:00:33,133 --> 01:00:35,453
Speaker 24: than the rest of us. And he worked worked in

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Speaker 24: a bank. So he elected himself as foreman. And when

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Speaker 24: we got in the jury room, he got up to

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Speaker 24: the white board and him he said, okay, let let's

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Speaker 24: start making a lesson. And I said, hang on, why

1314
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Speaker 24: don't we just go round the room and see what

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Speaker 24: all of us think, and I'll start. So I gave

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Speaker 24: my reasons for not not guilty. And it went to

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Speaker 24: the next one, the next one, the next one, and

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Speaker 24: there were I think seven women on the jury, and

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Speaker 24: everyone was not guilty, everyone no shadow of a.

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Speaker 3: Doubt, right, including the guy man being railroaded. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: interesting you didn't vote on the foreman in I mean,

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Speaker 3: you just let the young guys said right, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to take charge, and Yourn was heavy with that.

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Speaker 24: Ah, let him have his fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: He was probably gutted that you took charge.

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Speaker 2: He was the foreman and you went, now, let's go

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Speaker 2: around for the vote, and then you basically.

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Speaker 24: Foreman becauson a foreman doesn't mean you're not an idiot.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, thank you so much.

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Speaker 18: Ian.

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Speaker 2: That does brings something up with me. And like I've

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01:01:34,133 --> 01:01:36,413
Speaker 2: been saying that the juris service. You know that the

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01:01:36,453 --> 01:01:38,573
Speaker 2: system we've got isn't perfect, but it's the best we have.

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Speaker 2: But it seems to me that there is a problem

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Speaker 2: with it and that it's a contaminated sample. So if

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Speaker 2: you had someone powerful like me on the jury, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to influence people. But if like if say, if

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Speaker 2: there was one of me and eleven of you, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: then you're just going to go with my opinion because

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Speaker 2: I'm a powerful, forceful person. If you tried to say

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Speaker 2: on Foreman, the greatest movie, one of the greatest movies ever,

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01:02:00,853 --> 01:02:04,053
Speaker 2: twelve angry men, you can influence other people So it

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Speaker 2: seems to me that a system would be better where

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01:02:05,813 --> 01:02:08,533
Speaker 2: you had six groups of two. Otherwise you're getting that

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01:02:08,613 --> 01:02:11,453
Speaker 2: the jury system is a contaminated sample. Maybe someone out

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01:02:11,453 --> 01:02:13,453
Speaker 2: there on eight hundred and eighty three eighty three can

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01:02:13,493 --> 01:02:15,813
Speaker 2: point out a problem with this argument, But it seems

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Speaker 2: like you are contaminated by the other person's opinion if

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01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:22,613
Speaker 2: you have forceful people on that on the jury, if

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Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying.

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01:02:23,453 --> 01:02:26,213
Speaker 3: But if it was if it was six groups.

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Speaker 2: Of two and then you then that, then it's a

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01:02:29,573 --> 01:02:31,973
Speaker 2: less contaminated sample. Yeah, you know, it's like you're putting

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Speaker 2: everything in the petri dish and then it's just getting

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01:02:34,213 --> 01:02:36,133
Speaker 2: the bacteria everywhere, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean it's up to the foreman and

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01:02:38,853 --> 01:02:40,613
Speaker 3: the jury as I understand it, and if you've been

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01:02:40,653 --> 01:02:42,293
Speaker 3: on it recently, please let me know. But it's up

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Speaker 3: to them to determine how the system is rolled out. So,

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Speaker 3: if you want to have a system where you each

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Speaker 3: write on a piece of paper after you listen to

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Speaker 3: the evidence and make up your mind whether you think

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Speaker 3: it's guilty or innocent, and you want to keep it

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Speaker 3: somewhat secretive because of that very fact, I believe you

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Speaker 3: can do that. So if you're someone that is saying,

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01:03:02,093 --> 01:03:04,653
Speaker 3: you know, yes, I agree, and really you don't and

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Speaker 3: you want to go with that system, and then you

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01:03:06,813 --> 01:03:09,573
Speaker 3: can have what's called the hung jury, and I believe

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01:03:09,733 --> 01:03:11,853
Speaker 3: in New Zealand you can't have a Hut jury. But

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Speaker 3: I still think one.

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Speaker 2: Person still think more first forcible personalities will contaminate the

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01:03:17,733 --> 01:03:20,053
Speaker 2: viewpoint of the other eleven. But I guess you could

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01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:23,973
Speaker 2: argue that the lawyers have already contaminated the sample.

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Speaker 3: Where they go in interesting point are headlines with ray

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Speaker 3: Lean coming up there more of your phone.

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Speaker 1: Calls us talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis

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Speaker 1: it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 20: All major banks are dropping their advertised rates following the

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Speaker 20: latest cut to the ocr The Reserve banker slash the

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Speaker 20: cash rate by fifty basis points to three point seventy

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Speaker 20: five percent. The Workplace Relations Minister's gone head to head

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Speaker 20: with the country's main union over a law change around

1383
01:03:55,453 --> 01:03:59,853
Speaker 20: strikes to let employers deduct pay from workers doing partial

1384
01:03:59,933 --> 01:04:04,253
Speaker 20: strike action. The CTU says it moves towards undermining workers'

1385
01:04:04,333 --> 01:04:09,493
Speaker 20: rights and removes their industrial power in a new shooting

1386
01:04:09,533 --> 01:04:12,613
Speaker 20: related video game has been given a birthday on the

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Speaker 20: date of the christ Church terror attack. It's being suggested

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Speaker 20: it could be because AI generated the character from christ Church,

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Speaker 20: a city that has many strong online associations with that

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01:04:23,053 --> 01:04:27,093
Speaker 20: date accusations the Ministry of Help's back pedaling on its

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01:04:27,173 --> 01:04:31,613
Speaker 20: vaping rules by permitting a flavor labeled ice. Descriptions likely

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01:04:31,693 --> 01:04:35,533
Speaker 20: to appeal to children like cotton candy, strawberry, jelly, doughnut,

1393
01:04:35,653 --> 01:04:39,613
Speaker 20: and grape ice are banned. Richard Prebble on why New

1394
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Speaker 20: Zealand's Pacific diplomacy is missing the mark. See his full

1395
01:04:43,813 --> 01:04:46,853
Speaker 20: column at NZED Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eath

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01:04:46,893 --> 01:04:47,773
Speaker 20: and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about jury

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Speaker 3: service on the back of a wide, raging review into

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01:04:52,653 --> 01:04:56,253
Speaker 3: the justice system. But some great texts coming through on

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Speaker 3: nine two point two.

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Speaker 2: Because I was saying, I think it's our civil duty

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01:04:59,173 --> 01:05:00,533
Speaker 2: to try and do it if we can. But this

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01:05:00,813 --> 01:05:02,293
Speaker 2: text O on nine two nine two makes a really

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01:05:02,293 --> 01:05:03,933
Speaker 2: good point. I hope, hi boys. I think many of

1405
01:05:04,053 --> 01:05:05,733
Speaker 2: us live in a community where we want to do

1406
01:05:05,813 --> 01:05:09,533
Speaker 2: our service and we want to support the legal justice system.

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Speaker 6: We have.

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01:05:10,413 --> 01:05:12,973
Speaker 2: However, what happens if you're a young person with a

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01:05:13,013 --> 01:05:16,373
Speaker 2: family who's paying two hundred a week for the mortgage

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01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:19,373
Speaker 2: and you've packed to go on a jury for two

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01:05:19,413 --> 01:05:21,893
Speaker 2: to three weeks, who then suffers because of the community

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Speaker 2: service you're performing. Yeah, I mean that's the big rub.

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01:05:25,453 --> 01:05:27,213
Speaker 2: But I guess the thing is we just don't have

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Speaker 2: a better system. Interesting vow yours please?

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Speaker 14: Hello? How are you be? Over twenty five years since?

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01:05:37,053 --> 01:05:39,773
Speaker 14: I was on a jury and I went on and

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01:05:39,813 --> 01:05:42,573
Speaker 14: it was about a young There was a couple of

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01:05:42,613 --> 01:05:45,453
Speaker 14: people involved, but one in particular was getting sort of

1419
01:05:45,453 --> 01:05:47,813
Speaker 14: picked on and he was riding a motorbike and it

1420
01:05:47,973 --> 01:05:52,893
Speaker 14: was about a robbery at a bank, and they said

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Speaker 14: all these things, and the jury when it sort of

1422
01:05:55,293 --> 01:05:57,733
Speaker 14: all finished talking, I said, no, he's not guilty, and

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01:05:58,053 --> 01:06:00,413
Speaker 14: they all looked at me and said, yes he is.

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Speaker 14: And of course he rode a motorbike. I used to

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01:06:03,253 --> 01:06:06,013
Speaker 14: ride a sort of a scooter and a motorbikes thing.

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01:06:06,013 --> 01:06:09,413
Speaker 14: I had my motorbike license. I knew that what they

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01:06:09,453 --> 01:06:12,653
Speaker 14: said he did he couldn't have done while riding a motorbike.

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01:06:13,093 --> 01:06:16,733
Speaker 14: There would have been impossible, right, And I refused to

1429
01:06:16,733 --> 01:06:21,533
Speaker 14: give in and it was like everybody was sort of

1430
01:06:21,533 --> 01:06:25,053
Speaker 14: on me. Changed my mind and I wouldn't and I

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01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:27,333
Speaker 14: just kept it like that, and then it just sort

1432
01:06:27,333 --> 01:06:30,373
Speaker 14: of went out, and I don't know whether it went

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01:06:30,413 --> 01:06:32,453
Speaker 14: to court again or what. I didn't really follow it.

1434
01:06:32,493 --> 01:06:35,773
Speaker 14: But quite a while later, I don't know how they

1435
01:06:35,773 --> 01:06:37,973
Speaker 14: should of know who's on the jury or not, this

1436
01:06:38,133 --> 01:06:39,933
Speaker 14: young married guy came up to me and he said,

1437
01:06:40,013 --> 01:06:42,013
Speaker 14: I just wanted to thank you, and I said what for.

1438
01:06:42,893 --> 01:06:45,053
Speaker 14: He said, you wouldn't agree on the jury, would you?

1439
01:06:45,173 --> 01:06:48,533
Speaker 14: And I said, were you riding that motorbike? I should

1440
01:06:48,573 --> 01:06:51,253
Speaker 14: of saw you you look like that and he said yes.

1441
01:06:51,613 --> 01:06:53,773
Speaker 14: And I said, well, I sort of rode a motorbike

1442
01:06:53,813 --> 01:06:55,853
Speaker 14: and I know exactly what you can and can't do

1443
01:06:55,893 --> 01:06:57,613
Speaker 14: when you're on one. And I said, you couldn't have

1444
01:06:57,653 --> 01:06:59,973
Speaker 14: done that. He said I didn't. He said, but they

1445
01:06:59,973 --> 01:07:03,613
Speaker 14: were trying to find me guilty. And yes, she said,

1446
01:07:03,653 --> 01:07:04,893
Speaker 14: thank you, And I couldn't.

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01:07:04,573 --> 01:07:10,133
Speaker 2: Believe it for him. Lucky for him, you were on

1448
01:07:10,173 --> 01:07:11,333
Speaker 2: there with your expertise.

1449
01:07:12,213 --> 01:07:16,053
Speaker 14: Yes, it's having that experience, I think, and you know.

1450
01:07:16,013 --> 01:07:19,373
Speaker 2: Having that and being brave enough to stand up and

1451
01:07:19,413 --> 01:07:20,413
Speaker 2: push your point across.

1452
01:07:21,173 --> 01:07:23,533
Speaker 14: Yes, took a berth I'll tell you that on my back.

1453
01:07:24,053 --> 01:07:28,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, on you, thank story, appreciate it.

1454
01:07:28,533 --> 01:07:30,853
Speaker 3: I think most people when they step into that jury room,

1455
01:07:30,893 --> 01:07:32,733
Speaker 3: and I get your point that if there are strong

1456
01:07:32,773 --> 01:07:35,853
Speaker 3: personalities within that jury to try and influence or they

1457
01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:39,693
Speaker 3: they are better at influencing people than others. But when

1458
01:07:39,733 --> 01:07:45,333
Speaker 3: you're in that particular environment, I think most people would

1459
01:07:45,573 --> 01:07:48,173
Speaker 3: would stand up to their own convictions, wouldn't they. It's

1460
01:07:48,213 --> 01:07:51,013
Speaker 3: a very different environment than general life. You've got the

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01:07:51,133 --> 01:07:54,293
Speaker 3: judge coming in at certain times or providing advice on

1462
01:07:54,333 --> 01:07:58,013
Speaker 3: how to read various evidence. I just think that particular

1463
01:07:58,133 --> 01:08:00,613
Speaker 3: environment would would clap down on that a little bit.

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01:08:01,653 --> 01:08:03,333
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, but you don't know how much

1465
01:08:03,333 --> 01:08:05,653
Speaker 2: you're being influenced or not influenced. And that's what I

1466
01:08:05,693 --> 01:08:09,453
Speaker 2: mean by the contaminated sample. Yeah, because yeah, and not

1467
01:08:09,533 --> 01:08:12,133
Speaker 2: everyone Like you're broadcast Tyler, so you probably feel very

1468
01:08:12,133 --> 01:08:13,413
Speaker 2: comfortable talking in front of people.

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01:08:13,453 --> 01:08:15,213
Speaker 3: Some people aren't. Yeah, some people don't.

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Speaker 2: You know, your point is that it is the best system.

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01:08:18,572 --> 01:08:21,093
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of people are Texians asking me

1472
01:08:21,173 --> 01:08:23,572
Speaker 2: what my favorite a version of the Twelve Angry Men.

1473
01:08:23,613 --> 01:08:26,333
Speaker 2: It's got to be the original, not the Gallafini remake.

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01:08:26,572 --> 01:08:28,973
Speaker 2: But also there's a great movie that Clint Eastwood's just

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01:08:29,452 --> 01:08:32,852
Speaker 2: directed called Jury Jury Number two.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen that? Oh, it's got Nicholas Houlton and

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01:08:35,372 --> 01:08:39,293
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. It's really good. Sorry, Juror number two.

1478
01:08:39,372 --> 01:08:41,532
Speaker 3: It looks really good. I didn't realize you can.

1479
01:08:41,452 --> 01:08:44,772
Speaker 2: Watch it on neon in New Zealand. Very very good

1480
01:08:44,772 --> 01:08:46,772
Speaker 2: movie and the complexities of being on a jury.

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01:08:46,853 --> 01:08:49,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's me this weekend. Right, we'll take more of

1482
01:08:49,213 --> 01:08:51,652
Speaker 3: your calls very shortly. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1483
01:08:51,692 --> 01:08:54,333
Speaker 3: If you want to give us your story as well,

1484
01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:57,012
Speaker 3: would love to hear from you. It is eighteen to.

1485
01:08:56,812 --> 01:09:02,572
Speaker 1: Three Mattie Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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01:09:02,572 --> 01:09:05,692
Speaker 1: and eighty tighty Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo

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01:09:06,013 --> 01:09:07,773
Speaker 1: XC ninety tick every.

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01:09:07,532 --> 01:09:10,652
Speaker 6: Box, seamless experience of weeds news talks in me.

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01:09:11,412 --> 01:09:16,492
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is a quarter to three. Some pretty

1490
01:09:16,492 --> 01:09:18,812
Speaker 3: funny ticks coming through on nine to nine two. Actually,

1491
01:09:19,173 --> 01:09:21,092
Speaker 3: this one is these guys. I was on a jury

1492
01:09:21,293 --> 01:09:23,293
Speaker 3: and I picked the guy in a suit too, and

1493
01:09:23,372 --> 01:09:26,972
Speaker 3: most people listen to me. Okay, good on you, Yeah,

1494
01:09:27,053 --> 01:09:27,652
Speaker 3: good on you.

1495
01:09:27,812 --> 01:09:29,972
Speaker 2: Someone here sees Matt thinks that he would be Henry

1496
01:09:29,973 --> 01:09:31,852
Speaker 2: Fonder and Twelve Angry Men he would have been Lee J.

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01:09:32,053 --> 01:09:36,053
Speaker 3: Copp. That's a very specific I'm just googling that now.

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01:09:36,133 --> 01:09:39,412
Speaker 3: See Henry Fonder Twelve Angry Men? Was he the pushy one?

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01:09:39,452 --> 01:09:39,652
Speaker 17: Was he?

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01:09:39,532 --> 01:09:42,652
Speaker 3: He was the bush? No, Henry Fonder? Well, yeah, Lee J.

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01:09:42,812 --> 01:09:43,892
Speaker 3: Cobb was the he.

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01:09:43,893 --> 01:09:46,852
Speaker 2: He had a lot of prejuices, pregious prejudices that made

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01:09:46,853 --> 01:09:48,412
Speaker 2: it diffult. Any It's a great movie if you if

1504
01:09:48,412 --> 01:09:50,652
Speaker 2: you haven't seen it, Twelve Angry Men. It's from nineteen

1505
01:09:50,652 --> 01:09:52,293
Speaker 2: fifty seven, but still one of the best movies that

1506
01:09:52,333 --> 01:09:54,412
Speaker 2: has ever been made. It's not you know, old movies

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01:09:54,452 --> 01:09:58,092
Speaker 2: from from that kind of era are often slow, Yeah,

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01:09:58,093 --> 01:09:59,852
Speaker 2: but that this movie is not slow at all. It's

1509
01:09:59,893 --> 01:10:03,532
Speaker 2: just brilliantly acted. A lot of cigarettes smoke in a

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01:10:03,572 --> 01:10:07,372
Speaker 2: small room, but very very fast paced and a fantastic movie.

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01:10:07,612 --> 01:10:09,772
Speaker 3: Love it. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number

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01:10:09,812 --> 01:10:11,812
Speaker 3: to call, Brian. How are you this afternoon?

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01:10:13,013 --> 01:10:13,133
Speaker 11: Oh?

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01:10:13,173 --> 01:10:14,052
Speaker 5: Good afternoon, guys?

1515
01:10:14,053 --> 01:10:14,892
Speaker 8: Are you Yeah?

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01:10:14,973 --> 01:10:17,253
Speaker 3: Good? Now you're going to be part of a jury

1517
01:10:17,333 --> 01:10:19,412
Speaker 3: or you've been called up to head down to the

1518
01:10:19,452 --> 01:10:20,812
Speaker 3: court in a couple of weeks.

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01:10:21,973 --> 01:10:26,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been called up again. Probably, Oh no, this

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01:10:26,412 --> 01:10:29,013
Speaker 5: must be third force, maybe even first time over the

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Speaker 5: last decade or so. So I don't know how that

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01:10:32,213 --> 01:10:36,012
Speaker 5: lottery is going. I don't win the other one, so maybe,

1523
01:10:36,452 --> 01:10:39,892
Speaker 5: but apparently it's just off the electoral role, so I'll

1524
01:10:39,933 --> 01:10:41,612
Speaker 5: just have to take them the word from that and

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01:10:41,732 --> 01:10:44,652
Speaker 5: the Sumer name always coming up, so it's not the

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01:10:44,692 --> 01:10:47,012
Speaker 5: third or anything that say, hasn't been for about three

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01:10:47,133 --> 01:10:50,452
Speaker 5: or four years, maybe since last time I was called

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01:10:50,532 --> 01:10:52,053
Speaker 5: up in years to be able to just you know,

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01:10:52,293 --> 01:10:53,852
Speaker 5: sort of say, you know, I'm busy at work or

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01:10:53,893 --> 01:10:54,612
Speaker 5: something like that.

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Speaker 3: What's that? What's the downtime? Just quickly, Brian. If you

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01:10:57,893 --> 01:11:00,412
Speaker 3: get called up and you serve on a jury, how

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01:11:00,492 --> 01:11:06,452
Speaker 3: long can you not serve again? Is there a standdown period?

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01:11:06,492 --> 01:11:06,933
Speaker 3: There must be.

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01:11:08,133 --> 01:11:10,692
Speaker 5: I think it's for at least two years. It's said

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01:11:10,692 --> 01:11:12,892
Speaker 5: on the back form, you know, it said something like

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01:11:13,253 --> 01:11:16,972
Speaker 5: the reasons you can't attend or you know, ticked the boxes,

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01:11:17,333 --> 01:11:21,812
Speaker 5: and one of them I think said I previously served

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01:11:21,853 --> 01:11:25,293
Speaker 5: on a jury within the last two years, right, whitched

1540
01:11:25,333 --> 01:11:27,772
Speaker 5: them to hell a long time. But one of the

1541
01:11:27,812 --> 01:11:30,133
Speaker 5: ones I was say in a number of points other

1542
01:11:30,173 --> 01:11:33,053
Speaker 5: people have been talking about which is similar. It's it's

1543
01:11:33,093 --> 01:11:36,852
Speaker 5: about financial hardship. Possibly not so much mede with me,

1544
01:11:37,013 --> 01:11:40,452
Speaker 5: because the employer actually in the contract will pay the

1545
01:11:40,492 --> 01:11:43,812
Speaker 5: difference between whatever the court pays and whatever the you know,

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01:11:43,933 --> 01:11:47,092
Speaker 5: your normal salary would be. So that's okay, that's covered.

1547
01:11:47,452 --> 01:11:51,133
Speaker 5: But if you've got a life with kids and things

1548
01:11:51,173 --> 01:11:52,852
Speaker 5: like that, you got to take all that into account,

1549
01:11:52,893 --> 01:11:55,532
Speaker 5: you know, you know, because this one said sort of

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01:11:55,572 --> 01:12:01,133
Speaker 5: three weeks suggested at least there's that too. But also

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01:12:01,173 --> 01:12:03,412
Speaker 5: I've always believed I've always said to people, you know,

1552
01:12:03,532 --> 01:12:06,052
Speaker 5: when various staff have come up to me in the past,

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01:12:06,093 --> 01:12:08,732
Speaker 5: you know, and said, you know, I've got jury service

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01:12:08,812 --> 01:12:10,692
Speaker 5: and you know you write a letter and say, oh,

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01:12:10,732 --> 01:12:13,652
Speaker 5: you can't you know, Jimmy's very important to the business

1556
01:12:13,772 --> 01:12:17,372
Speaker 5: or something like that. Yeah, but I've always thought they're

1557
01:12:17,412 --> 01:12:20,333
Speaker 5: missing a real trip. There's such a pool of wisdom

1558
01:12:20,372 --> 01:12:23,852
Speaker 5: and talent out there within the in the senior citizens

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01:12:23,933 --> 01:12:26,932
Speaker 5: out there that are retired and things that would probably

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01:12:27,013 --> 01:12:28,692
Speaker 5: love it, you know, a couple of weeks have gone

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01:12:28,732 --> 01:12:31,652
Speaker 5: to a court case or something. Give them something to do.

1562
01:12:32,853 --> 01:12:35,333
Speaker 5: But one of the check box is that it surprised

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01:12:35,372 --> 01:12:39,053
Speaker 5: me on the back of the form, which along with

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01:12:39,853 --> 01:12:42,333
Speaker 5: you know, I've previously served time in a prison for

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01:12:42,612 --> 01:12:46,333
Speaker 5: you know, previous criminal convictions those sort of things. Was

1566
01:12:46,893 --> 01:12:48,852
Speaker 5: simply I am over sixty five.

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01:12:49,173 --> 01:12:53,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you're you could be permanently as

1568
01:12:53,173 --> 01:12:55,253
Speaker 2: to be permanently, you don't have to give a reason.

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01:12:55,372 --> 01:12:58,612
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you just have to tick the box, you know,

1570
01:12:58,893 --> 01:13:01,492
Speaker 5: send in some form of ID or verification that you're

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01:13:01,492 --> 01:13:03,213
Speaker 5: able to six five and that's.

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01:13:03,093 --> 01:13:03,572
Speaker 18: What you've done.

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01:13:04,173 --> 01:13:05,532
Speaker 2: Do you think it'd be a sort of an odd

1574
01:13:05,612 --> 01:13:09,013
Speaker 2: situation though, if it was only retired people that were

1575
01:13:09,133 --> 01:13:12,652
Speaker 2: judging cases, I mean, some of them, you know, I

1576
01:13:12,973 --> 01:13:14,333
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of wisdom and people have a

1577
01:13:14,372 --> 01:13:18,133
Speaker 2: sixty five, maybe there'll be maybe you sort of end

1578
01:13:18,213 --> 01:13:22,772
Speaker 2: up in a situation where you're only being judged by

1579
01:13:22,853 --> 01:13:26,052
Speaker 2: one part of society. And isn't the power of juries.

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01:13:26,173 --> 01:13:28,572
Speaker 2: It's that it's sort of people a jury of your

1581
01:13:28,612 --> 01:13:31,293
Speaker 2: peers across all of us. You know, that's kind of

1582
01:13:31,293 --> 01:13:31,812
Speaker 2: the strength of it.

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01:13:32,053 --> 01:13:34,412
Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand where you're coming from with that, But

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01:13:34,492 --> 01:13:37,532
Speaker 5: I also understand that, you know, I mean, if they're

1585
01:13:37,812 --> 01:13:40,972
Speaker 5: trying to fill juries in that that a portion could

1586
01:13:41,093 --> 01:13:43,692
Speaker 5: you know, quite often be made up of what I'm

1587
01:13:43,732 --> 01:13:46,892
Speaker 5: saying is is just simply saying, if you're over sixty five,

1588
01:13:47,053 --> 01:13:48,253
Speaker 5: just pick the box and you're done with.

1589
01:13:48,412 --> 01:13:50,932
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, And I think there's I actually think

1590
01:13:50,933 --> 01:13:53,732
Speaker 3: there's a problem of getting people over sixty five on

1591
01:13:53,893 --> 01:13:58,452
Speaker 3: to jury service because there was a politician I forget

1592
01:13:58,452 --> 01:14:00,812
Speaker 3: her name, but she was pushing to raise that age

1593
01:14:00,853 --> 01:14:03,892
Speaker 3: from sixty five to seventy two because they couldn't get

1594
01:14:04,013 --> 01:14:05,893
Speaker 3: enough of those people over sixty five. A lot of

1595
01:14:05,933 --> 01:14:08,052
Speaker 3: them were just taking the box, saying that can't be bothered.

1596
01:14:08,333 --> 01:14:08,692
Speaker 17: I want to go.

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01:14:08,772 --> 01:14:10,293
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people have sixty five. Now

1598
01:14:10,333 --> 01:14:12,732
Speaker 2: I have to keep working. You know, hey, thank you

1599
01:14:12,772 --> 01:14:15,893
Speaker 2: so much. Be called Brian, appreciate it, Matt. Some of

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01:14:16,013 --> 01:14:19,053
Speaker 2: us have real world Some of us live in the

1601
01:14:19,133 --> 01:14:19,772
Speaker 2: real world, Matt.

1602
01:14:19,933 --> 01:14:21,372
Speaker 3: We have mortgages, rent to.

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01:14:21,412 --> 01:14:24,173
Speaker 2: Pay, and jury duty will put loads of people under

1604
01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:26,652
Speaker 2: huge stress and pressure. Better system, in my opinion, would

1605
01:14:26,652 --> 01:14:28,772
Speaker 2: be retired people and all volunteers. A lot of people

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01:14:28,772 --> 01:14:31,213
Speaker 2: are saying this, plus you refer to Socrates. It's no

1607
01:14:31,333 --> 01:14:32,372
Speaker 2: longer four hundred BC.

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01:14:32,572 --> 01:14:33,213
Speaker 3: Mate, cheers.

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01:14:33,492 --> 01:14:35,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree, it's no longer four hundred BC.

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01:14:35,853 --> 01:14:39,093
Speaker 2: But all I'm saying of the example of Socrates was

1611
01:14:39,213 --> 01:14:42,372
Speaker 2: judged by people all because because all the other people

1612
01:14:42,452 --> 01:14:44,692
Speaker 2: in Athens were off doing things, so it was only

1613
01:14:44,772 --> 01:14:48,572
Speaker 2: retired soldiers that went along and judged him, and as

1614
01:14:48,572 --> 01:14:50,412
Speaker 2: a result they got this. They were very harsh on him,

1615
01:14:50,452 --> 01:14:51,973
Speaker 2: and he had to take him lot, and Socrates was

1616
01:14:52,013 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 2: guilt right, Yeah, And the society really came down on

1617
01:14:56,053 --> 01:14:59,532
Speaker 2: those people because it was seen as a certain cohort

1618
01:15:00,053 --> 01:15:05,972
Speaker 2: of Athenians choosing to put to death someone that wider

1619
01:15:06,013 --> 01:15:08,053
Speaker 2: Athens didn't think had committed the crime.

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01:15:08,093 --> 01:15:10,452
Speaker 3: And that why the jury service, you know, is.

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01:15:12,293 --> 01:15:12,892
Speaker 6: What the lot.

1622
01:15:13,013 --> 01:15:15,852
Speaker 2: That's the logic in having it from all people across

1623
01:15:16,133 --> 01:15:20,532
Speaker 2: all ages and sexes and races and everything, every like

1624
01:15:20,652 --> 01:15:21,572
Speaker 2: a jury of your peers.

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01:15:21,692 --> 01:15:21,892
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:15:22,013 --> 01:15:23,732
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters that it was ancient Greece.

1627
01:15:23,772 --> 01:15:26,093
Speaker 3: I think most people can accept Socrates got a hard time.

1628
01:15:26,133 --> 01:15:26,972
Speaker 3: You know, it's pretty unfair.

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01:15:27,053 --> 01:15:27,213
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:15:27,213 --> 01:15:28,892
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was justice for old Socrates

1631
01:15:29,253 --> 01:15:31,772
Speaker 3: stunt though he did. He look like he's stunt.

1632
01:15:31,812 --> 01:15:33,253
Speaker 2: He didn't bathe, yeah, did he?

1633
01:15:33,293 --> 01:15:33,652
Speaker 3: Old beard?

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01:15:33,692 --> 01:15:33,812
Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:15:33,853 --> 01:15:36,133
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:15:36,173 --> 01:15:37,053
Speaker 3: It is eight to three.

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01:15:38,772 --> 01:15:41,173
Speaker 6: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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01:15:41,253 --> 01:15:41,812
Speaker 6: along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor afternoon with the Volvo X eighty innovation, style

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Speaker 1: and design.

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01:15:47,452 --> 01:15:47,932
Speaker 18: Have it all.

1642
01:15:48,173 --> 01:15:53,452
Speaker 3: You talk said, be get a bill. Your thoughts on

1643
01:15:53,652 --> 01:15:56,172
Speaker 3: jury service, they're.

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01:15:56,853 --> 01:16:00,412
Speaker 26: Certainly it's a civic service, a civic volunteer and part

1645
01:16:00,452 --> 01:16:03,772
Speaker 26: of a part of life that we've got to to serve.

1646
01:16:04,372 --> 01:16:06,492
Speaker 26: I was on a jury craization. In fact, it was

1647
01:16:06,612 --> 01:16:10,572
Speaker 26: had my sixtieth birthday on the Hype and Hamilton. So

1648
01:16:10,853 --> 01:16:16,053
Speaker 26: age wasn't the problem I had heard. I was a farmer, farmaner,

1649
01:16:16,133 --> 01:16:19,333
Speaker 26: but my employer sought as a service as well, and

1650
01:16:20,372 --> 01:16:25,093
Speaker 26: it was paid throughout the two week trial. Yeah, my

1651
01:16:25,253 --> 01:16:27,932
Speaker 26: gripe was with the same as a gentleman a while

1652
01:16:28,013 --> 01:16:29,973
Speaker 26: ago where he had the bank manager thought he was

1653
01:16:30,013 --> 01:16:33,333
Speaker 26: going to be the jury, the chair of the jurors.

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01:16:33,452 --> 01:16:36,492
Speaker 3: Yea, well, we.

1655
01:16:36,572 --> 01:16:39,052
Speaker 26: Had a young lady said she had done.

1656
01:16:38,853 --> 01:16:39,612
Speaker 6: It for and.

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01:16:41,253 --> 01:16:44,933
Speaker 26: You know cases. There was forty nine cases against the

1658
01:16:44,973 --> 01:16:51,772
Speaker 26: guy who was he was dominaring over five. But halfway

1659
01:16:51,893 --> 01:16:53,933
Speaker 26: through it she admitted that she was going through a

1660
01:16:54,293 --> 01:16:58,812
Speaker 26: bit and she'd be to be the chair of the jury,

1661
01:16:58,973 --> 01:17:01,492
Speaker 26: and became a bit of a debarkle in there, and

1662
01:17:01,612 --> 01:17:05,053
Speaker 26: we had four hundred pages of transcripts. She wanted to

1663
01:17:05,093 --> 01:17:08,692
Speaker 26: read every one of them. So we went around the

1664
01:17:08,772 --> 01:17:13,293
Speaker 26: table like the guy before did yep, and we read

1665
01:17:13,372 --> 01:17:16,052
Speaker 26: every every case out and when there was a sticky

1666
01:17:16,133 --> 01:17:19,013
Speaker 26: point she wanted to read read the notes of that

1667
01:17:19,173 --> 01:17:24,253
Speaker 26: particular case, we would write it on the board and

1668
01:17:24,333 --> 01:17:27,412
Speaker 26: eventually we ended up with about of the forty nine,

1669
01:17:27,572 --> 01:17:30,372
Speaker 26: there was about eleven that were a bit sticky, and

1670
01:17:31,053 --> 01:17:33,812
Speaker 26: I think those eleven took longer than the other thirty

1671
01:17:33,893 --> 01:17:38,812
Speaker 26: of to find guilty events. Eventually some of them she

1672
01:17:38,973 --> 01:17:43,812
Speaker 26: has refused to give in and was we he was

1673
01:17:43,853 --> 01:17:46,173
Speaker 26: found guilty eleven to what eleven to.

1674
01:17:46,213 --> 01:17:49,412
Speaker 2: What actually had Bill, We're just going to go to

1675
01:17:49,933 --> 01:17:52,412
Speaker 2: the news, but we'll come back and keep this conversation

1676
01:17:52,572 --> 01:17:54,333
Speaker 2: going on. So if you can hold on, well we'll

1677
01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:56,373
Speaker 2: get the rest of your story absolutely.

1678
01:17:56,893 --> 01:17:56,973
Speaker 8: Oh.

1679
01:17:57,053 --> 01:17:59,612
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty is the number to call though,

1680
01:17:59,652 --> 01:18:02,052
Speaker 3: because we're going to carry this on after three o'clock

1681
01:18:02,093 --> 01:18:04,053
Speaker 3: and get back to Bill. Nine to nine two is

1682
01:18:04,173 --> 01:18:07,492
Speaker 3: the text number New Sport of Weather on its way.

1683
01:18:07,532 --> 01:18:09,893
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you.

1684
01:18:10,013 --> 01:18:18,492
Speaker 27: Okay, we can begin if you know me person, we

1685
01:18:18,692 --> 01:18:26,612
Speaker 27: do breg have you know me person? Were to BG?

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01:18:27,293 --> 01:18:29,452
Speaker 27: If you know a person.

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Speaker 1: MAZONI your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's

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01:18:35,652 --> 01:18:40,052
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo XC nighty

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Speaker 1: on News Talk SENV.

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Speaker 3: Get Out of You, Welcome back into the show. Having

1691
01:18:44,372 --> 01:18:47,373
Speaker 3: a great discussion about jury service and just a reminder

1692
01:18:47,572 --> 01:18:51,253
Speaker 3: coming up in about twenty five minutes, we've got Matt Bullen,

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01:18:51,372 --> 01:18:54,052
Speaker 3: the mechanic who's going to be taking your questions and calls.

1694
01:18:54,213 --> 01:18:57,452
Speaker 2: Matt Mechanics. So if you have an issue with your car,

1695
01:18:57,652 --> 01:19:02,293
Speaker 2: or any question about service that you've received, or anything

1696
01:19:02,333 --> 01:19:05,652
Speaker 2: you want to know about your car, then Matt Mechanics

1697
01:19:05,772 --> 01:19:07,852
Speaker 2: man from you nine two ninety two as the text number,

1698
01:19:07,893 --> 01:19:10,173
Speaker 2: so you could get and early with your questions or

1699
01:19:10,213 --> 01:19:12,772
Speaker 2: when ring eight hundred and eighty ten eighty when he's

1700
01:19:12,772 --> 01:19:14,692
Speaker 2: in here. I want to ask why, as I was

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01:19:14,732 --> 01:19:18,412
Speaker 2: saying before, my windows, since I changed the battery. When

1702
01:19:18,452 --> 01:19:20,293
Speaker 2: I press up now it used to go right to

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01:19:20,333 --> 01:19:21,892
Speaker 2: the top. Now it goes up and it just bounces

1704
01:19:21,893 --> 01:19:22,492
Speaker 2: back down again.

1705
01:19:23,053 --> 01:19:24,812
Speaker 3: All right, So you can't wind your window up at all?

1706
01:19:24,893 --> 01:19:25,652
Speaker 3: I can, but I have to go.

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01:19:27,213 --> 01:19:30,253
Speaker 2: To get it sealed exactly. And now if you just

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01:19:30,333 --> 01:19:32,293
Speaker 2: hold it used to hold it, go right to the

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01:19:32,333 --> 01:19:32,892
Speaker 2: top and stop.

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01:19:33,093 --> 01:19:33,293
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:19:33,532 --> 01:19:35,133
Speaker 2: Now if you hold it it goes right at the

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01:19:35,133 --> 01:19:36,133
Speaker 2: top and bounces back down.

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01:19:37,412 --> 01:19:40,133
Speaker 3: Terrible. But why would changing the battery effect that?

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01:19:40,333 --> 01:19:40,692
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:19:40,933 --> 01:19:43,572
Speaker 3: Did you did it yourself though, I'm asking you, Tiler?

1716
01:19:43,893 --> 01:19:44,053
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1717
01:19:44,133 --> 01:19:45,652
Speaker 3: Why would change my battery effect?

1718
01:19:45,732 --> 01:19:45,772
Speaker 5: That?

1719
01:19:46,053 --> 01:19:48,492
Speaker 3: Wait until Matt Bullen is here. He will sort y out.

1720
01:19:48,532 --> 01:19:50,412
Speaker 3: That is in about twenty five minutes. But back to

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01:19:50,492 --> 01:19:54,253
Speaker 3: our discussion about jury service, and we had Biddle on

1722
01:19:54,492 --> 01:19:55,372
Speaker 3: the line.

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01:19:55,213 --> 01:19:58,213
Speaker 2: Before, so I was saying that I think jury service

1724
01:19:58,333 --> 01:19:59,852
Speaker 2: is your civil duty and you should try and do

1725
01:19:59,933 --> 01:20:02,092
Speaker 2: it if you can. And we kind of to the system,

1726
01:20:02,093 --> 01:20:04,452
Speaker 2: and I understand its complexities and people with different jobs.

1727
01:20:04,772 --> 01:20:07,093
Speaker 2: It's a struggle, and you know you don't necessarily get

1728
01:20:07,093 --> 01:20:09,412
Speaker 2: paid enough to do it. But Bill, when we left

1729
01:20:09,452 --> 01:20:14,652
Speaker 2: your story, you had you were in the jury service

1730
01:20:15,013 --> 01:20:18,012
Speaker 2: and a woman put up her hand to be the foreman,

1731
01:20:18,452 --> 01:20:21,812
Speaker 2: but she was going through a divorce and things got

1732
01:20:21,893 --> 01:20:22,613
Speaker 2: really complicated.

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01:20:22,772 --> 01:20:23,213
Speaker 3: Is that right?

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01:20:23,893 --> 01:20:24,053
Speaker 17: Yeah?

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01:20:24,173 --> 01:20:27,412
Speaker 10: Crazy? And you know why I ended up being the

1736
01:20:27,492 --> 01:20:31,492
Speaker 10: person like the guy before, sort of getting a bit

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01:20:31,532 --> 01:20:34,412
Speaker 10: of sense into it and sort of we as I said,

1738
01:20:34,452 --> 01:20:38,812
Speaker 10: we read every forty or every forty nine cases charges

1739
01:20:38,893 --> 01:20:42,053
Speaker 10: against him, and so eventually some of them were we

1740
01:20:42,133 --> 01:20:44,093
Speaker 10: had to go back to the judge and say, well,

1741
01:20:44,692 --> 01:20:46,892
Speaker 10: we can't agree on this one, will you take eleven

1742
01:20:46,973 --> 01:20:50,412
Speaker 10: to one? And he did and it was I think

1743
01:20:50,452 --> 01:20:54,972
Speaker 10: we worked out eventually that the guy that was who

1744
01:20:55,293 --> 01:20:57,973
Speaker 10: has these charges against him was actually in jail for

1745
01:20:58,053 --> 01:20:59,612
Speaker 10: the same for the same thing.

1746
01:20:59,772 --> 01:21:01,173
Speaker 3: All right, you found you found that out?

1747
01:21:01,213 --> 01:21:01,692
Speaker 2: Afterwards?

1748
01:21:02,412 --> 01:21:04,133
Speaker 10: Well, we did, for we worked it out and we

1749
01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:09,893
Speaker 10: sort of I didn't know that the prosecuting policeman, but

1750
01:21:10,093 --> 01:21:13,852
Speaker 10: he actually came and spoke to a rotary meeting of

1751
01:21:13,933 --> 01:21:18,492
Speaker 10: ours and I asked that question. He said he was

1752
01:21:18,532 --> 01:21:21,333
Speaker 10: in jail for the same thing. And eventually like that's

1753
01:21:21,572 --> 01:21:23,852
Speaker 10: that was six ladies or sixty eight women that he

1754
01:21:24,333 --> 01:21:28,173
Speaker 10: had taken control of their lives. And right, I think

1755
01:21:28,213 --> 01:21:30,013
Speaker 10: he got nineteen years in the end, but it was.

1756
01:21:30,812 --> 01:21:35,973
Speaker 10: But I think going back to I think that retirees

1757
01:21:36,133 --> 01:21:40,133
Speaker 10: they're getting paid, you know, part of their services. Why

1758
01:21:40,173 --> 01:21:41,892
Speaker 10: don't they I don't know why they cut it off

1759
01:21:41,893 --> 01:21:45,692
Speaker 10: at fifty five Soon as I said sixty five, well.

1760
01:21:45,973 --> 01:21:49,412
Speaker 2: They don't cut it off. But you can be permanent excuse.

1761
01:21:49,492 --> 01:21:51,492
Speaker 2: You can be permanent excuse at sixty five of your

1762
01:21:51,492 --> 01:21:52,973
Speaker 2: sixty five. That's a guaranteed.

1763
01:21:53,013 --> 01:21:54,612
Speaker 3: You don't have to do it. You still can't, yeah,

1764
01:21:54,652 --> 01:21:55,133
Speaker 3: if you want to.

1765
01:21:55,333 --> 01:21:58,013
Speaker 10: Yeah, And they're getting paid, so you're only part of

1766
01:21:58,053 --> 01:22:00,333
Speaker 10: their service of getting paid this yea, you know, the

1767
01:22:00,412 --> 01:22:03,652
Speaker 10: pension is is to go on. I'm I'm sure the

1768
01:22:03,772 --> 01:22:07,372
Speaker 10: previous cause have said that there's a great source of

1769
01:22:08,053 --> 01:22:11,412
Speaker 10: of people in that age group that have time on

1770
01:22:11,532 --> 01:22:13,372
Speaker 10: their hands and the knowledge.

1771
01:22:13,652 --> 01:22:16,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think thirty five bucks a day is appropriate?

1772
01:22:17,412 --> 01:22:19,372
Speaker 3: I mean surely they come up there a little bit.

1773
01:22:19,893 --> 01:22:24,053
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm sure there's a bit of a short fall there. Yeah.

1774
01:22:24,093 --> 01:22:26,133
Speaker 10: I went to the Old Bailey forty five years ago

1775
01:22:26,772 --> 01:22:30,013
Speaker 10: and talking to someone said about the case of that

1776
01:22:30,933 --> 01:22:33,013
Speaker 10: stick in your mind. That case still sits. I was

1777
01:22:33,093 --> 01:22:35,253
Speaker 10: only there for the afternoon. That case still stits in

1778
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:37,492
Speaker 10: my mind. From nineteen to seventy seven.

1779
01:22:37,853 --> 01:22:43,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so in you know, despite the woman who

1780
01:22:43,572 --> 01:22:45,772
Speaker 2: took charge as the foreman, she wanted to read four

1781
01:22:45,812 --> 01:22:49,452
Speaker 2: hundred pages out and she had some emotional problems that

1782
01:22:49,492 --> 01:22:50,813
Speaker 2: were maybe affecting.

1783
01:22:50,933 --> 01:22:52,253
Speaker 3: How she saw the case.

1784
01:22:52,772 --> 01:22:55,412
Speaker 2: You still do you still you still believe you got

1785
01:22:55,732 --> 01:22:56,452
Speaker 2: the right verdict?

1786
01:22:56,532 --> 01:23:01,572
Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we were well twelve on most of them,

1787
01:23:01,612 --> 01:23:04,532
Speaker 10: but eleven to one on others, like I wasn't there

1788
01:23:04,612 --> 01:23:06,772
Speaker 10: wasn't a lot of them, but there was. But eventually

1789
01:23:07,013 --> 01:23:10,452
Speaker 10: she saw that didncept the like but see our logic. Yeah,

1790
01:23:10,732 --> 01:23:12,452
Speaker 10: but we're a cross section where I think we were

1791
01:23:12,492 --> 01:23:14,213
Speaker 10: six ladies and six guys.

1792
01:23:14,572 --> 01:23:18,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant Bill. Yeah, I was talking for about contamination

1793
01:23:18,532 --> 01:23:20,892
Speaker 2: in juries. And look, I'm not trying to change the system.

1794
01:23:20,893 --> 01:23:24,772
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's reasons why this doesn't work. But got

1795
01:23:24,772 --> 01:23:27,133
Speaker 2: this message here. I was contaminated on the jury when

1796
01:23:27,133 --> 01:23:30,293
Speaker 2: I saw an indecent assault case fifteen years ago, one

1797
01:23:30,372 --> 01:23:32,412
Speaker 2: or two ladies and the jury wanted a guilty verdict,

1798
01:23:32,492 --> 01:23:35,572
Speaker 2: but another personality on the jury kept debating with them,

1799
01:23:35,612 --> 01:23:37,732
Speaker 2: and eventually they threw their hands up and said they

1800
01:23:37,732 --> 01:23:39,293
Speaker 2: would just comply with the guilty verdict.

1801
01:23:39,412 --> 01:23:41,333
Speaker 3: I still think about this this to this day.

1802
01:23:41,492 --> 01:23:41,692
Speaker 17: Wow.

1803
01:23:42,013 --> 01:23:46,013
Speaker 2: So that's really what I'm saying is that strong personalities

1804
01:23:46,093 --> 01:23:48,372
Speaker 2: can affect And you know, I keep talking about the

1805
01:23:48,412 --> 01:23:51,053
Speaker 2: movie from nine than fifty seven twelve angry Men, where

1806
01:23:51,093 --> 01:23:53,093
Speaker 2: they got to the right result in the end, but

1807
01:23:54,213 --> 01:23:57,253
Speaker 2: you know, like a really strong personality can change someone's opinion.

1808
01:23:57,572 --> 01:23:59,013
Speaker 2: And then years later the guy I don't know why

1809
01:23:59,053 --> 01:24:00,772
Speaker 2: I did that, but I was I was dominated by

1810
01:24:00,812 --> 01:24:01,652
Speaker 2: someone within the jury.

1811
01:24:01,732 --> 01:24:02,772
Speaker 3: You can get fackl juries.

1812
01:24:03,173 --> 01:24:07,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I say maybe juries should be you know,

1813
01:24:07,612 --> 01:24:10,452
Speaker 2: six groups of two so the contamination of really strong

1814
01:24:10,492 --> 01:24:13,572
Speaker 2: personalities doesn't spread. But there'll be reasons why that isn't.

1815
01:24:13,812 --> 01:24:16,412
Speaker 2: And interestingly, we've got this text here. It's really interesting.

1816
01:24:16,452 --> 01:24:19,173
Speaker 2: It's talking about the French system. And I'm not going

1817
01:24:19,213 --> 01:24:20,812
Speaker 2: to read the whole thing out, but you know they

1818
01:24:20,893 --> 01:24:25,333
Speaker 2: have a mixture of judges and lay people, so and

1819
01:24:25,652 --> 01:24:28,133
Speaker 2: they will get a vote, so you you know, you

1820
01:24:28,253 --> 01:24:30,933
Speaker 2: have experts within the within the jury, because if you

1821
01:24:31,013 --> 01:24:32,732
Speaker 2: had all judges, as I said before, and some people

1822
01:24:32,772 --> 01:24:35,972
Speaker 2: are suggesting in the jury, then the question is who

1823
01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:39,133
Speaker 2: elects the judges and the political interference that could come in,

1824
01:24:39,213 --> 01:24:41,572
Speaker 2: and then you've got these elite people that are deciding

1825
01:24:41,732 --> 01:24:44,173
Speaker 2: justice on the rest of us, which I think I

1826
01:24:44,213 --> 01:24:45,492
Speaker 2: think would cause problems for us.

1827
01:24:45,612 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 3: The French system definitely has some merit just going on.

1828
01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:50,852
Speaker 3: I mean, you said that you one want to be

1829
01:24:50,933 --> 01:24:55,652
Speaker 3: part of a jury service because it is our civic

1830
01:24:55,732 --> 01:24:58,893
Speaker 3: duty duty to be part of that. But also you

1831
01:24:59,013 --> 01:25:01,053
Speaker 3: did mention that you kind of like the idea of

1832
01:25:01,213 --> 01:25:04,932
Speaker 3: being being in the back room of quite a scandalous trial.

1833
01:25:05,333 --> 01:25:07,772
Speaker 3: Why don't you just sit in on a trial because

1834
01:25:07,812 --> 01:25:09,852
Speaker 3: you can do that, You know that, anybody considering if

1835
01:25:09,893 --> 01:25:11,812
Speaker 3: there is a big murder trial going on, you can

1836
01:25:11,853 --> 01:25:13,253
Speaker 3: just sit in the public gallery and have a watch,

1837
01:25:13,372 --> 01:25:16,053
Speaker 3: can you, if you so choose? Yeah, yeah, weird think

1838
01:25:16,093 --> 01:25:18,932
Speaker 3: of it. If you're not reporting? What just like furious?

1839
01:25:19,933 --> 01:25:21,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of I guess, I guess it's kind

1840
01:25:21,973 --> 01:25:23,053
Speaker 2: of a good thing to see, to see how the

1841
01:25:23,133 --> 01:25:23,772
Speaker 2: system works.

1842
01:25:23,893 --> 01:25:25,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you haven't been invited to be in a

1843
01:25:25,293 --> 01:25:27,812
Speaker 3: jury like I have, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1844
01:25:28,013 --> 01:25:30,253
Speaker 3: is the number to call. We've got plenty of calls

1845
01:25:30,333 --> 01:25:32,772
Speaker 3: to get to. If you want to text three, you're

1846
01:25:32,812 --> 01:25:35,852
Speaker 3: more than welcome nine two nine two. It is thirteen

1847
01:25:35,933 --> 01:25:39,293
Speaker 3: past three News talks here. Be good afternoon to you.

1848
01:25:39,372 --> 01:25:42,892
Speaker 3: We're talking about jury service and getting some great calls

1849
01:25:42,933 --> 01:25:45,093
Speaker 3: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine

1850
01:25:45,133 --> 01:25:46,452
Speaker 3: two is the text number as well.

1851
01:25:46,572 --> 01:25:48,812
Speaker 2: Andy asked the question, what's the food and beverage service

1852
01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:49,732
Speaker 2: like when you're on a jury?

1853
01:25:49,853 --> 01:25:51,812
Speaker 3: Thanks you? Oh you didn't quite make it, did you

1854
01:25:51,853 --> 01:25:52,093
Speaker 3: tail that?

1855
01:25:52,333 --> 01:25:52,372
Speaker 5: No?

1856
01:25:52,812 --> 01:25:58,013
Speaker 3: I Tyler, Yeah, thank you? I Yeah, I think I've

1857
01:25:58,093 --> 01:26:00,812
Speaker 3: seen them being taken out to the local cafe before. Yeah,

1858
01:26:00,893 --> 01:26:02,812
Speaker 3: I don't know what if there's a per diem or

1859
01:26:03,213 --> 01:26:05,412
Speaker 3: you know, they kind of cap it. If you want

1860
01:26:05,452 --> 01:26:08,812
Speaker 3: to say, can I please have three expedited, I might

1861
01:26:08,893 --> 01:26:11,173
Speaker 3: say no, that's above the budget of the court system.

1862
01:26:11,173 --> 01:26:13,492
Speaker 2: Another question of nineteen niney two is why don't they

1863
01:26:13,572 --> 01:26:16,372
Speaker 2: put people that are off work on acc on the

1864
01:26:16,452 --> 01:26:19,213
Speaker 2: jury service. Well, going back to Socrates, a lot of

1865
01:26:19,253 --> 01:26:22,892
Speaker 2: the people that were judging him had legs missing from war,

1866
01:26:23,173 --> 01:26:24,852
Speaker 2: so that was kind of what happened there. But I'm

1867
01:26:24,853 --> 01:26:29,852
Speaker 2: getting bogged down and Socrates, Greg, you were on a

1868
01:26:29,933 --> 01:26:30,452
Speaker 2: murder trial.

1869
01:26:31,372 --> 01:26:31,652
Speaker 14: I was.

1870
01:26:31,772 --> 01:26:34,692
Speaker 25: I was about twenty twenty five years ago. We sat

1871
01:26:34,732 --> 01:26:37,692
Speaker 25: through four days of testimony. The difference was we didn't

1872
01:26:37,732 --> 01:26:39,893
Speaker 25: have to decide murder or manslat because the guy I

1873
01:26:39,893 --> 01:26:42,852
Speaker 25: had already admitted killing him. We only had to decide murder,

1874
01:26:43,612 --> 01:26:45,013
Speaker 25: and every time we were in the jury room we

1875
01:26:45,013 --> 01:26:47,412
Speaker 25: would discuss it. Everybody said, look, there's no evidence to

1876
01:26:47,492 --> 01:26:50,852
Speaker 25: convict them. But like the other guy before said, we

1877
01:26:50,933 --> 01:26:55,093
Speaker 25: sat down when we were asked to retire and asked

1878
01:26:55,133 --> 01:26:57,012
Speaker 25: everybody what they thought, and it was nine to three

1879
01:26:57,253 --> 01:26:59,973
Speaker 25: in favor of convicting them, and I just shook my

1880
01:27:00,053 --> 01:27:01,652
Speaker 25: head and I said to them all this, guys said,

1881
01:27:01,692 --> 01:27:04,253
Speaker 25: but you just said there's no evidence. So around them

1882
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:06,892
Speaker 25: and the reasoning was one guy, I said, well, he's

1883
01:27:06,933 --> 01:27:08,892
Speaker 25: admitted killing him, so he must have been murdered him.

1884
01:27:09,732 --> 01:27:11,213
Speaker 25: And I just said, what I and not just me,

1885
01:27:11,293 --> 01:27:14,812
Speaker 25: but other people, that's not what we're here to decide. Finally,

1886
01:27:15,133 --> 01:27:16,972
Speaker 25: in the end, we went back to the judge three times.

1887
01:27:17,013 --> 01:27:19,572
Speaker 25: It was more of a technicality thing, and he was

1888
01:27:20,253 --> 01:27:23,893
Speaker 25: not guilty of not a murder. But from that and

1889
01:27:24,013 --> 01:27:25,692
Speaker 25: from what happened with the jury people and the way

1890
01:27:25,732 --> 01:27:28,772
Speaker 25: they reacted, I would only ever choose a judge tile.

1891
01:27:29,013 --> 01:27:31,492
Speaker 25: I would never choose a jury trial because the judge

1892
01:27:31,532 --> 01:27:37,733
Speaker 25: only deals in facts and I don't. It just absolutely

1893
01:27:37,812 --> 01:27:41,253
Speaker 25: shocked me. After spending a week now and then you know,

1894
01:27:41,692 --> 01:27:45,572
Speaker 25: we were nine three, three not guilty and nine for guilty.

1895
01:27:45,692 --> 01:27:48,973
Speaker 25: And after about four hours of liberation, somebody said, oh,

1896
01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:50,692
Speaker 25: we've got to go back to the judge and tell

1897
01:27:50,732 --> 01:27:53,253
Speaker 25: them we can't reach a vert and about four or

1898
01:27:53,293 --> 01:27:55,253
Speaker 25: five put our hands up and said, no, that's not

1899
01:27:55,333 --> 01:27:57,213
Speaker 25: even going to happen. At four hours, We've been here

1900
01:27:57,253 --> 01:27:58,932
Speaker 25: a week we'll be here for another three full days

1901
01:27:59,133 --> 01:28:01,093
Speaker 25: if we can't decide before they even think about that,

1902
01:28:01,893 --> 01:28:05,293
Speaker 25: and the guy said, we just asked. They're not the

1903
01:28:05,333 --> 01:28:06,732
Speaker 25: guy who lets you in an out of court can

1904
01:28:06,812 --> 01:28:09,532
Speaker 25: remember his name what he was doing, And he came

1905
01:28:09,612 --> 01:28:11,452
Speaker 25: and said, I'm not even kind of judging. Asked that

1906
01:28:11,572 --> 01:28:14,452
Speaker 25: because no charge, and we go home for that. So

1907
01:28:15,572 --> 01:28:19,093
Speaker 25: I was shocked that as the discussions went on during

1908
01:28:19,133 --> 01:28:25,212
Speaker 25: the week of the evidence that was given, that everybody

1909
01:28:25,293 --> 01:28:27,772
Speaker 25: thought that the police had no evidence to convict him

1910
01:28:27,812 --> 01:28:33,452
Speaker 25: of murder, and he'd already admitted manslaughter. And then come

1911
01:28:33,772 --> 01:28:35,973
Speaker 25: punch time, I was just like, oh my god, that

1912
01:28:36,853 --> 01:28:39,053
Speaker 25: can't be what everybody was thinking. And then this woman

1913
01:28:39,093 --> 01:28:43,173
Speaker 25: in the flash has changed, and you know, and of

1914
01:28:43,253 --> 01:28:45,092
Speaker 25: course when you go into the jury room, the guys

1915
01:28:45,532 --> 01:28:49,173
Speaker 25: who's was murdered or was killed not murdered should I

1916
01:28:49,173 --> 01:28:51,772
Speaker 25: say killed? Whose clothing was standing in the corner, and

1917
01:28:51,853 --> 01:28:53,892
Speaker 25: nobody wanted to sit next to that, did they all?

1918
01:28:54,013 --> 01:28:54,173
Speaker 17: Right?

1919
01:28:54,933 --> 01:28:57,612
Speaker 2: So then they just to get this right, Greggs. So

1920
01:28:57,973 --> 01:29:00,093
Speaker 2: in the end you were shocked with the way they

1921
01:29:00,133 --> 01:29:02,972
Speaker 2: were going, But over time it came right, It came

1922
01:29:03,133 --> 01:29:06,133
Speaker 2: right to what you thought, and people understood what they

1923
01:29:06,173 --> 01:29:08,173
Speaker 2: were talking about a bit more as the time went on.

1924
01:29:09,093 --> 01:29:10,692
Speaker 25: Well, I think what happened was there was a couple

1925
01:29:10,692 --> 01:29:12,253
Speaker 25: of us decided we needed to go back to get

1926
01:29:12,293 --> 01:29:16,093
Speaker 25: some clarification on a single point. And basically the point

1927
01:29:16,253 --> 01:29:20,253
Speaker 25: was A plus B plus C or A or C

1928
01:29:20,732 --> 01:29:23,972
Speaker 25: or B if that makes sense. So all three headed

1929
01:29:24,013 --> 01:29:26,572
Speaker 25: out up or it was just one and we went

1930
01:29:26,652 --> 01:29:28,532
Speaker 25: back to the judge the first time. And we got

1931
01:29:28,572 --> 01:29:30,412
Speaker 25: back in the jury room and half a dozen of

1932
01:29:30,452 --> 01:29:32,692
Speaker 25: the people said, no, I see there, You're wrong, And

1933
01:29:32,812 --> 01:29:34,412
Speaker 25: I said to them, did you not hear what the

1934
01:29:34,532 --> 01:29:37,173
Speaker 25: judge say? We went back to that point three times,

1935
01:29:37,213 --> 01:29:39,293
Speaker 25: and finally the judge you can see him rolling as

1936
01:29:39,333 --> 01:29:41,852
Speaker 25: I spilled it out here as a bell. And we

1937
01:29:41,933 --> 01:29:44,293
Speaker 25: went back to the jury room and even says, oh,

1938
01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:47,293
Speaker 25: I know you're right about three of us. And it's like,

1939
01:29:48,213 --> 01:29:53,173
Speaker 25: just I cannot believe that. Sorry, should I say the

1940
01:29:53,253 --> 01:29:54,372
Speaker 25: caliber of people there, I.

1941
01:29:54,492 --> 01:29:56,012
Speaker 11: Just would not cheat.

1942
01:29:57,652 --> 01:29:58,412
Speaker 3: That's the interesting thing.

1943
01:29:58,492 --> 01:30:00,532
Speaker 2: So it as a jury of your peers done, your

1944
01:30:00,612 --> 01:30:03,853
Speaker 2: peers don't what is the brighter sparks? And also sometimes

1945
01:30:04,853 --> 01:30:07,973
Speaker 2: the people that get selected you don't necessarily depending on

1946
01:30:08,412 --> 01:30:11,333
Speaker 2: on the case, Sometimes the lawyers don't want to select

1947
01:30:11,372 --> 01:30:15,133
Speaker 2: the smartest people, because you know they one side might

1948
01:30:15,173 --> 01:30:17,692
Speaker 2: want smart people and one people might not depending on

1949
01:30:17,732 --> 01:30:19,692
Speaker 2: the state of the the evidence.

1950
01:30:19,853 --> 01:30:20,053
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1951
01:30:20,173 --> 01:30:22,492
Speaker 2: So I mean that is the that's the scary part

1952
01:30:22,532 --> 01:30:24,053
Speaker 2: of juries. But I mean, I guess what's the other

1953
01:30:24,213 --> 01:30:25,012
Speaker 2: what's the other option?

1954
01:30:25,133 --> 01:30:27,812
Speaker 25: I mean, well, like they're doing a lot of countries,

1955
01:30:27,893 --> 01:30:30,133
Speaker 25: judge only the good The good news is I've never

1956
01:30:30,173 --> 01:30:31,772
Speaker 25: been called up again, so that's not so bad.

1957
01:30:32,412 --> 01:30:35,052
Speaker 3: What was the food, like, Greg was lovely.

1958
01:30:35,173 --> 01:30:37,093
Speaker 25: We have sausage rolls and pies and all sorts of things.

1959
01:30:37,133 --> 01:30:39,933
Speaker 25: I think a long time with that.

1960
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Speaker 2: Part of the system is working.

1961
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Speaker 3: Ye, thanks to you call Greg. Yeah, great call. I

1962
01:30:48,013 --> 01:30:50,133
Speaker 3: mean that's the thing. You know, when you have the

1963
01:30:50,173 --> 01:30:52,053
Speaker 3: points of clarification with the judge, it's quite a big

1964
01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:54,053
Speaker 3: thing because he's got to kick everybody out of the

1965
01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:57,452
Speaker 3: courtroom and then have that clarification. If he's going to

1966
01:30:57,532 --> 01:31:00,173
Speaker 3: do that more than once, yeah, that is a bad look.

1967
01:31:00,293 --> 01:31:00,452
Speaker 23: Yeah.

1968
01:31:00,492 --> 01:31:02,013
Speaker 2: And we're getting lots of text of people saying that

1969
01:31:02,093 --> 01:31:04,133
Speaker 2: they were when they were in jurist service, they were

1970
01:31:04,732 --> 01:31:07,333
Speaker 2: they were shocked with the quality of their fellow jurors.

1971
01:31:07,933 --> 01:31:09,772
Speaker 2: But you might ask they might have been shocked with

1972
01:31:09,812 --> 01:31:12,412
Speaker 2: your quality. You even know you might have been getting

1973
01:31:12,412 --> 01:31:12,972
Speaker 2: it wrong yourself.

1974
01:31:13,133 --> 01:31:15,932
Speaker 3: Exactly. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1975
01:31:16,013 --> 01:31:18,812
Speaker 3: to call. It is twenty two past three.

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01:31:19,013 --> 01:31:27,772
Speaker 6: Back very surely, Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh

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01:31:27,853 --> 01:31:30,333
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1978
01:31:30,812 --> 01:31:33,572
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is twenty four past three and we're

1979
01:31:33,612 --> 01:31:38,133
Speaker 3: talking about jury service. Quick text to hear guys, jury service.

1980
01:31:38,213 --> 01:31:40,372
Speaker 3: I'm sure there is a better way to choose duras

1981
01:31:40,412 --> 01:31:42,372
Speaker 3: other than just randomly. I've lived in New Zealand for

1982
01:31:42,412 --> 01:31:45,132
Speaker 3: twenty years and I have been a citizen for fifteen.

1983
01:31:45,213 --> 01:31:47,532
Speaker 3: I am on my town's eleectoral role. Yet I have

1984
01:31:47,692 --> 01:31:50,293
Speaker 3: never been called this despite knowing others who have been

1985
01:31:50,333 --> 01:31:52,652
Speaker 3: called a few times. Perhaps allowing people to volunteer might

1986
01:31:52,732 --> 01:31:55,612
Speaker 3: work question mark. As an early retiree, I would be

1987
01:31:55,652 --> 01:31:57,333
Speaker 3: more than happy to sit a couple of times a year,

1988
01:31:57,372 --> 01:31:59,013
Speaker 3: and I'm sure there would be others willing to do so.

1989
01:31:59,213 --> 01:32:01,532
Speaker 2: I wonder if the reason why you can't volunteer is

1990
01:32:01,652 --> 01:32:08,852
Speaker 2: to keep it very about like it's above accusations of corruption. Yeah,

1991
01:32:09,213 --> 01:32:12,053
Speaker 2: so it has to be randomly selected, So it's a

1992
01:32:12,213 --> 01:32:14,372
Speaker 2: random group of people that come together, even though they

1993
01:32:14,572 --> 01:32:17,772
Speaker 2: then you know, can be objected to by the lawyers

1994
01:32:17,772 --> 01:32:19,572
Speaker 2: and put through a process to get there. But I

1995
01:32:19,612 --> 01:32:21,372
Speaker 2: think I think that's the reason why.

1996
01:32:21,452 --> 01:32:23,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, couldn't you get AI involved though? That if someone

1997
01:32:24,093 --> 01:32:28,012
Speaker 3: has been selected, and like you, he has never been selected,

1998
01:32:28,213 --> 01:32:30,133
Speaker 3: AI can do the job and say, hey, this guy

1999
01:32:30,173 --> 01:32:32,133
Speaker 3: has never been selected, let's give him a shot.

2000
01:32:32,372 --> 01:32:32,652
Speaker 7: AI.

2001
01:32:33,173 --> 01:32:40,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you're already handed all over to our other lords. Ben,

2002
01:32:40,732 --> 01:32:41,652
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon?

2003
01:32:43,372 --> 01:32:43,612
Speaker 18: Hello?

2004
01:32:43,772 --> 01:32:44,253
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm good.

2005
01:32:44,293 --> 01:32:44,612
Speaker 6: Thanks you.

2006
01:32:46,173 --> 01:32:47,173
Speaker 3: So I thought, yeah you're going.

2007
01:32:48,013 --> 01:32:49,892
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think one of your texts has just beat

2008
01:32:49,973 --> 01:32:55,293
Speaker 13: me till it. But yeah, acc when I've had a

2009
01:32:55,412 --> 01:33:00,532
Speaker 13: couple of acc extended periods of time off work and

2010
01:33:01,933 --> 01:33:04,572
Speaker 13: it'll just a you're at home on eighty percent anyway,

2011
01:33:04,732 --> 01:33:07,492
Speaker 13: so Mars will serve your duty.

2012
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Speaker 18: Thanks.

2013
01:33:09,093 --> 01:33:11,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it seems seems to make sense. Although

2014
01:33:11,133 --> 01:33:15,412
Speaker 2: I guess they might say that you're getting a certain

2015
01:33:15,893 --> 01:33:18,612
Speaker 2: type of person who's dealing with a certain type of thing.

2016
01:33:18,692 --> 01:33:22,692
Speaker 2: If you're if you're injured and you're acc you're across

2017
01:33:22,732 --> 01:33:24,893
Speaker 2: certain cases, you might come with a certain perspective.

2018
01:33:25,173 --> 01:33:25,772
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

2019
01:33:26,133 --> 01:33:29,812
Speaker 2: I think the random aspect of it is very important

2020
01:33:29,853 --> 01:33:32,572
Speaker 2: to the system. But it does seem like if you

2021
01:33:32,772 --> 01:33:34,772
Speaker 2: if you're on acc and you couldn't go to work,

2022
01:33:34,812 --> 01:33:37,412
Speaker 2: that you'd probably you'd probably appreciate the opportunity to go

2023
01:33:37,492 --> 01:33:39,093
Speaker 2: and do something.

2024
01:33:39,013 --> 01:33:41,452
Speaker 3: Logical on paper. I just wonder about the Edmund Ben,

2025
01:33:41,612 --> 01:33:44,053
Speaker 3: you know, because then if you're drugged up, then you

2026
01:33:44,173 --> 01:33:46,013
Speaker 3: can't be part of jury if you can't get out

2027
01:33:46,013 --> 01:33:48,253
Speaker 3: of bed, and so then you know, you've got to

2028
01:33:48,253 --> 01:33:50,412
Speaker 3: get the sign off from the GP. Yep, Ben is

2029
01:33:50,532 --> 01:33:53,333
Speaker 3: okay to jump on the jury. There's just a whole

2030
01:33:53,372 --> 01:33:59,293
Speaker 3: bunch of bureaucracy there that just seems like a clogging up. Yeah,

2031
01:34:00,013 --> 01:34:03,133
Speaker 3: thank if you cal Ben appreciate it. Quick couple of

2032
01:34:03,213 --> 01:34:05,452
Speaker 3: texts and then we may wrap this one up because

2033
01:34:05,452 --> 01:34:08,492
Speaker 3: we've got our mechanics standing by this.

2034
01:34:08,572 --> 01:34:10,692
Speaker 2: Texas says, you allow people to volunteer and then you

2035
01:34:10,812 --> 01:34:13,293
Speaker 2: randomly slept from the volunteers. It's not complex, guys. It's

2036
01:34:13,293 --> 01:34:15,532
Speaker 2: a lot more complex than that, because then you were

2037
01:34:15,612 --> 01:34:18,213
Speaker 2: just picking from people that choose to volunteer, so it

2038
01:34:18,253 --> 01:34:19,412
Speaker 2: wouldn't be random anymore.

2039
01:34:19,893 --> 01:34:20,093
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2040
01:34:20,253 --> 01:34:22,012
Speaker 2: I love of people to say it's not complex, guys.

2041
01:34:23,692 --> 01:34:26,093
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into people that can't see

2042
01:34:26,093 --> 01:34:26,813
Speaker 2: the complexities.

2043
01:34:27,013 --> 01:34:27,213
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2044
01:34:27,333 --> 01:34:28,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, so what you're saying, Oh, i's just got

2045
01:34:29,013 --> 01:34:31,173
Speaker 3: to read this one out. Guys, when talking about your peers,

2046
01:34:31,173 --> 01:34:33,173
Speaker 3: you have to remember that fifty percent of the populations

2047
01:34:33,173 --> 01:34:33,892
Speaker 3: below average.

2048
01:34:34,532 --> 01:34:34,732
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2049
01:34:35,213 --> 01:34:39,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's the best system we've got. I mean,

2050
01:34:39,612 --> 01:34:41,333
Speaker 3: you know, yes, it's got some flaws.

2051
01:34:41,812 --> 01:34:43,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a all kinds of you know, some

2052
01:34:43,973 --> 01:34:46,492
Speaker 2: people might be deemed not intelligent in one area, and

2053
01:34:46,732 --> 01:34:50,012
Speaker 2: some people have street smarts, and some people have book smarts,

2054
01:34:50,093 --> 01:34:51,452
Speaker 2: and you know, some people.

2055
01:34:51,692 --> 01:34:52,852
Speaker 3: You know, that's what we are.

2056
01:34:52,973 --> 01:34:53,973
Speaker 2: It's just the system for.

2057
01:34:53,973 --> 01:34:55,692
Speaker 3: All of us. Yep. Like val you know, I'm not

2058
01:34:55,772 --> 01:34:58,173
Speaker 3: judging her intelligence, but she was the only one on

2059
01:34:58,253 --> 01:35:00,852
Speaker 3: that jury who rode a motorcycle, so she could see

2060
01:35:01,173 --> 01:35:03,333
Speaker 3: where there was flaws in the evidence that it's just elite.

2061
01:35:03,412 --> 01:35:06,772
Speaker 2: So you're only picking people on IQ tests or only

2062
01:35:06,853 --> 01:35:08,933
Speaker 2: people in certain walks of life, then I think that

2063
01:35:09,013 --> 01:35:09,692
Speaker 2: becomes a problem.

2064
01:35:09,853 --> 01:35:13,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, good discussion, Thank you very much. Right, coming up,

2065
01:35:13,093 --> 01:35:15,932
Speaker 3: we do have Matt Bullen. He has had thirty eight

2066
01:35:16,173 --> 01:35:19,412
Speaker 3: years experience as a mechanic in the automotive industry. He's

2067
01:35:19,412 --> 01:35:22,852
Speaker 3: worked for pretty much every franchise brand from the Japanese

2068
01:35:22,853 --> 01:35:25,892
Speaker 3: through to the Europeans. He is brilliant and he will

2069
01:35:25,933 --> 01:35:28,852
Speaker 3: be taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2070
01:35:28,893 --> 01:35:31,613
Speaker 3: If you've got a mechanical problem, now is your opportunity

2071
01:35:31,692 --> 01:35:33,972
Speaker 3: to ask an expert for free. Yeah, get in quickly.

2072
01:35:34,173 --> 01:35:36,173
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine to nine

2073
01:35:36,213 --> 01:35:38,053
Speaker 2: two's the text already getting a bunch coming through.

2074
01:35:38,173 --> 01:35:45,173
Speaker 3: Certainly are it is twenty eight to three? You talk?

2075
01:35:45,253 --> 01:35:48,852
Speaker 20: Said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

2076
01:35:48,893 --> 01:35:51,932
Speaker 20: with the blue bubble. All major banks have dropped their

2077
01:35:52,013 --> 01:35:54,852
Speaker 20: advertised home loan rates, hot on the heels of the

2078
01:35:54,933 --> 01:35:58,893
Speaker 20: Reserve Bank, cutting the ocr another fifty points this afternoon.

2079
01:35:59,293 --> 01:36:02,812
Speaker 20: It's now sitting on three point seventy five percent. The

2080
01:36:02,933 --> 01:36:06,932
Speaker 20: bank says it anticipates the economy will gradually pick up

2081
01:36:07,293 --> 01:36:10,892
Speaker 20: thanks to high beef dairy prices and the low Kiwi dollar.

2082
01:36:11,812 --> 01:36:15,293
Speaker 20: To party Marty says it's outraged and inquiry into alleged

2083
01:36:15,333 --> 01:36:19,093
Speaker 20: misuse of data ever happened. The Public Service Commissioners found

2084
01:36:19,133 --> 01:36:21,933
Speaker 20: issues with our Stats and z Health New Zealand and

2085
01:36:22,013 --> 01:36:25,973
Speaker 20: the Health Ministry handle sensitive info. After looking into how

2086
01:36:26,053 --> 01:36:30,773
Speaker 20: Census and COVID data was given to other parties. Publisher

2087
01:36:31,053 --> 01:36:33,972
Speaker 20: zed Me is going ahead with plans to cut almost

2088
01:36:34,053 --> 01:36:40,293
Speaker 20: thirty reporting, content generation and editorial production jobs. Party supply

2089
01:36:40,412 --> 01:36:44,052
Speaker 20: store look Sharp has been fined almost three hundred thousand

2090
01:36:44,093 --> 01:36:48,133
Speaker 20: dollars for frequent pricing errors and breaching the Consumer Guarantees

2091
01:36:48,173 --> 01:36:53,652
Speaker 20: Act by restricting refunds and exchanges. Taking back Control Police

2092
01:36:53,692 --> 01:36:58,213
Speaker 20: spent seventy five thousand dollars patrolling Gang Funeral. Find out

2093
01:36:58,293 --> 01:37:01,253
Speaker 20: more at enzed Herald Premium. Back now to Matt Ethan

2094
01:37:01,293 --> 01:37:01,972
Speaker 20: Tyler Adams.

2095
01:37:02,173 --> 01:37:04,852
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and good afternoon to you.

2096
01:37:04,973 --> 01:37:08,093
Speaker 3: It is twenty eight to four and on the line

2097
01:37:08,173 --> 01:37:10,892
Speaker 3: right now is Matt Bulland Matt has had thirty eight

2098
01:37:10,973 --> 01:37:13,612
Speaker 3: years experience as a mechanic in the automotive industry. He

2099
01:37:13,692 --> 01:37:16,652
Speaker 3: has worked for pretty much every car brand you can

2100
01:37:16,692 --> 01:37:19,213
Speaker 3: think of, from the Japanese through the Europeans. You'll find

2101
01:37:19,293 --> 01:37:21,732
Speaker 3: him at Excel Autos and Fakatana and once a month

2102
01:37:21,933 --> 01:37:24,253
Speaker 3: he's going to be joining us here on the Matt

2103
01:37:24,412 --> 01:37:27,973
Speaker 3: and Tyler Show to answer your questions about cars and

2104
01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:29,132
Speaker 3: mechanical issues.

2105
01:37:29,372 --> 01:37:32,173
Speaker 2: Get a Matt welcome to the show, and selfishly before

2106
01:37:32,173 --> 01:37:33,812
Speaker 2: we get stuck, and I've got a quick question about

2107
01:37:33,812 --> 01:37:34,133
Speaker 2: my car.

2108
01:37:34,933 --> 01:37:37,812
Speaker 5: Good afternoon, guys, Thank you jeh.

2109
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:41,133
Speaker 2: So, change the battery in my car. And now when

2110
01:37:41,213 --> 01:37:45,412
Speaker 2: I put the the the windows up, they now bounce

2111
01:37:45,492 --> 01:37:46,932
Speaker 2: off the top and come back down. And the only

2112
01:37:46,933 --> 01:37:48,133
Speaker 2: way I can get it to go right up top

2113
01:37:48,253 --> 01:37:50,412
Speaker 2: is go and ease it up. When it used to

2114
01:37:50,772 --> 01:37:52,532
Speaker 2: just pull it and that would stop. And is that

2115
01:37:52,652 --> 01:37:54,852
Speaker 2: related to is that related to me changing the battery?

2116
01:37:55,452 --> 01:37:59,772
Speaker 2: It's a it's a twoenty and nineteen forward focus this

2117
01:37:59,893 --> 01:38:00,492
Speaker 2: particular car.

2118
01:38:01,333 --> 01:38:05,173
Speaker 4: Okay, you'll like everything that I'm plugging at the wall

2119
01:38:05,173 --> 01:38:08,652
Speaker 4: and plug it back in. You'll need to do a

2120
01:38:08,692 --> 01:38:13,732
Speaker 4: window reset most vehicles, if you turn the ignition on,

2121
01:38:13,812 --> 01:38:17,013
Speaker 4: don't start the cards, turn the ignition on, wind the

2122
01:38:17,013 --> 01:38:18,572
Speaker 4: window down, hold your finger on the button, go all

2123
01:38:18,572 --> 01:38:21,133
Speaker 4: the way down, hold it, hold it when it gets

2124
01:38:21,133 --> 01:38:22,933
Speaker 4: to the bottom for about five seconds, and then go

2125
01:38:23,133 --> 01:38:24,852
Speaker 4: up and hold it when it gets to the top

2126
01:38:24,893 --> 01:38:27,372
Speaker 4: for about five seconds, and that should reset the window.

2127
01:38:28,293 --> 01:38:29,572
Speaker 4: Does it do it on all four.

2128
01:38:29,492 --> 01:38:32,532
Speaker 2: Windows or just drives one just the driver and passenger?

2129
01:38:33,572 --> 01:38:35,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so you may have to do the passenger

2130
01:38:35,572 --> 01:38:38,013
Speaker 4: side separately. But you may find that if you do

2131
01:38:38,093 --> 01:38:41,053
Speaker 4: that driver's side, like hold that button down for five

2132
01:38:41,133 --> 01:38:42,572
Speaker 4: seconds and then go all the way up and hold

2133
01:38:42,612 --> 01:38:45,492
Speaker 4: it up as it's scott An auto window button, so

2134
01:38:45,812 --> 01:38:47,213
Speaker 4: you can click it and it should go up. Yeah,

2135
01:38:49,412 --> 01:38:50,253
Speaker 4: hold it up.

2136
01:38:50,452 --> 01:38:51,852
Speaker 3: I'll do that. That's good that I don't have to

2137
01:38:51,893 --> 01:38:54,852
Speaker 3: take other work. You've got my number exactly just quickly.

2138
01:38:55,572 --> 01:38:57,732
Speaker 3: How would one do that? Change in a battery? That

2139
01:38:57,853 --> 01:39:01,692
Speaker 3: sounds like Matt right cocked up here? I mean it

2140
01:39:01,772 --> 01:39:03,452
Speaker 3: was bloody complex changing that battery.

2141
01:39:03,612 --> 01:39:07,532
Speaker 2: Now, look a lot of things. There's a lot of cases,

2142
01:39:07,692 --> 01:39:09,772
Speaker 2: a lot of yeah, a lot of stuff in there.

2143
01:39:09,812 --> 01:39:13,812
Speaker 4: Little motive will now self learn and when you when

2144
01:39:13,853 --> 01:39:16,812
Speaker 4: you do change your battery, you lose everything that it's learned.

2145
01:39:16,893 --> 01:39:18,852
Speaker 4: And that's why you have to reset your windows. There

2146
01:39:18,893 --> 01:39:23,933
Speaker 4: may be other things that you'll find. But yeah, a

2147
01:39:23,973 --> 01:39:26,932
Speaker 4: little while back, mitsis were really bad. If you change

2148
01:39:26,933 --> 01:39:28,532
Speaker 4: the battery those store, you get to a round about

2149
01:39:28,572 --> 01:39:31,173
Speaker 4: the store and you've got to just reset the idle

2150
01:39:31,173 --> 01:39:33,253
Speaker 4: speak controls. You know, there's lots of things that will

2151
01:39:33,293 --> 01:39:36,013
Speaker 4: need to be reset. Oh you're good, okay, Probably the

2152
01:39:36,053 --> 01:39:37,013
Speaker 4: windows is the easy one.

2153
01:39:37,492 --> 01:39:39,572
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you got a

2154
01:39:39,652 --> 01:39:44,013
Speaker 2: question for Matt, the mechanic here, I won't use his

2155
01:39:44,133 --> 01:39:45,772
Speaker 2: time anymore, and lets take it to the phone.

2156
01:39:46,412 --> 01:39:49,812
Speaker 4: I've heard your teasers and there's been some big claims made,

2157
01:39:49,812 --> 01:39:52,892
Speaker 4: and you know, I'll start with a caveat no one

2158
01:39:52,973 --> 01:39:54,092
Speaker 4: knows everything about anything.

2159
01:39:54,853 --> 01:39:56,133
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's a lot.

2160
01:39:56,253 --> 01:39:56,972
Speaker 4: I'll do my best.

2161
01:39:57,173 --> 01:40:00,532
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, we'll bring Wendy and Wendy, if you've got

2162
01:40:00,532 --> 01:40:01,052
Speaker 2: a question.

2163
01:40:00,933 --> 01:40:03,093
Speaker 6: For Matt, yes I have.

2164
01:40:03,372 --> 01:40:06,852
Speaker 23: Thank you for chaking my query. We have a twenty

2165
01:40:06,973 --> 01:40:09,893
Speaker 23: fifteen hundred jet and over the last week or so

2166
01:40:10,213 --> 01:40:13,853
Speaker 23: we've been having a few problems starting it. It wouldn't

2167
01:40:13,893 --> 01:40:15,812
Speaker 23: go first time, but if you left it for thirty

2168
01:40:15,893 --> 01:40:18,253
Speaker 23: seconds or so, it would go. So we got the

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Speaker 23: AA out last night and they replaced the battery and

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Speaker 23: I've just been out today and again pushed the starter button.

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01:40:25,053 --> 01:40:29,293
Speaker 23: Click clips, Nothing happened, and it did that a couple

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01:40:29,333 --> 01:40:31,772
Speaker 23: of times. You leave it thirty seconds and it does go.

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01:40:33,452 --> 01:40:38,173
Speaker 4: Okay, Hi, Wendy. Yeah, diagnosing cars on the phone is

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01:40:38,692 --> 01:40:45,253
Speaker 4: very difficult. It's odd that if you leave it for

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01:40:45,253 --> 01:40:48,333
Speaker 4: a little bit. Yeah, does it click like when you

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01:40:48,412 --> 01:40:49,772
Speaker 4: put press the Startun't you hear any.

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Speaker 8: Clicking or yeah? It just goes click click, Yeah, okay.

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01:40:53,372 --> 01:40:55,412
Speaker 4: It sort of Yeah, it does sound like a flat battery,

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01:40:55,452 --> 01:40:59,612
Speaker 4: but it could be a start a solnoid problem. Really,

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01:41:01,213 --> 01:41:03,573
Speaker 4: someone's going to have to look at it, the diagnosis.

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01:41:03,652 --> 01:41:05,812
Speaker 4: It really really needs to probably go. The best bit

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01:41:05,853 --> 01:41:10,012
Speaker 4: would be to go to an auto electrician. Okay, okay,

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01:41:11,532 --> 01:41:15,653
Speaker 4: you know that's that's a really difficult one with that, Wendy.

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Speaker 3: And you quite wrote. Man, it is always with our

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01:41:18,933 --> 01:41:21,732
Speaker 3: expert segments, we've got to say that the advice offers Matt,

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01:41:21,732 --> 01:41:24,732
Speaker 3: you're brilliant, we know that. But the advice offered on

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01:41:24,893 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 3: radio was done in good faith and I should always

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01:41:27,333 --> 01:41:30,812
Speaker 3: be confirmed by a physical inspection of your vehicle. Some

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01:41:30,933 --> 01:41:33,013
Speaker 3: great taks coming as we missed along the line, or

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01:41:33,333 --> 01:41:34,572
Speaker 3: she has no note, she's here.

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Speaker 4: You're still there. Do you have a regular Do you

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01:41:38,053 --> 01:41:39,253
Speaker 4: have a regular garage that you go to.

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01:41:39,973 --> 01:41:42,213
Speaker 23: I'll contact an auto electrician. I was going to take

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01:41:42,253 --> 01:41:44,533
Speaker 23: a step to Honda, but you'll go to an auto electrician.

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01:41:46,293 --> 01:41:48,812
Speaker 4: If you have a regular garage, go there, Like it's

2196
01:41:48,853 --> 01:41:51,492
Speaker 4: really important to build up a relationship with your mechanic.

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01:41:51,572 --> 01:41:53,252
Speaker 4: What's your what's your service department?

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01:41:53,692 --> 01:41:54,972
Speaker 5: Well, because I've had.

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Speaker 23: No problem, okay, thank you anyway, I appreciate it all

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01:42:00,692 --> 01:42:01,692
Speaker 23: rights very much.

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Speaker 3: Wendy Quick text question here from Paul get A, Guys

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01:42:06,933 --> 01:42:10,572
Speaker 3: and Matt, how do I now if my alternator is faulty?

2203
01:42:10,853 --> 01:42:13,812
Speaker 3: Put a fully charged battery into my high ase fan

2204
01:42:14,133 --> 01:42:17,812
Speaker 3: and it will go flat almost immediately. Thanks.

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01:42:19,173 --> 01:42:24,053
Speaker 4: Okay, so there must be a battery draw If it's

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01:42:24,213 --> 01:42:28,372
Speaker 4: going flat really quickly, something's draining it. To test that,

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01:42:28,452 --> 01:42:30,973
Speaker 4: you need an ant meter or you can test your

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01:42:30,973 --> 01:42:33,333
Speaker 4: old matter with a vault meter. So, depending on what

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01:42:33,412 --> 01:42:35,012
Speaker 4: you do for a living, whether you've got that sort

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01:42:35,053 --> 01:42:36,572
Speaker 4: of gear again, it might be something you need to

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01:42:36,612 --> 01:42:38,692
Speaker 4: go to an electrician for. If you put a vault

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01:42:38,732 --> 01:42:41,492
Speaker 4: meter on it, when it's stationary, it'll be somewhere around

2213
01:42:41,492 --> 01:42:43,612
Speaker 4: twelve twelve and a half volts, and with it running

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01:42:43,652 --> 01:42:45,652
Speaker 4: it it should be up to thirteen and a half

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01:42:45,692 --> 01:42:48,372
Speaker 4: fourteen and a half volts. If it goes up to that,

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01:42:48,532 --> 01:42:51,892
Speaker 4: then you know your old mat is working. But if

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01:42:51,893 --> 01:42:54,732
Speaker 4: it's just going flat, then something's on. You might have

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01:42:55,772 --> 01:42:58,652
Speaker 4: a light in the boot on or a glove box light.

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01:43:00,372 --> 01:43:02,053
Speaker 4: Something's drawing on it, and you can test that with

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01:43:02,133 --> 01:43:04,333
Speaker 4: an ant meter if you've got one. But without knowing

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01:43:04,452 --> 01:43:06,652
Speaker 4: the person that's asking the question whether they've got that

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01:43:06,732 --> 01:43:11,492
Speaker 4: sort of gear. Yeah, it is a really easy one

2223
01:43:11,572 --> 01:43:11,932
Speaker 4: to test.

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01:43:12,133 --> 01:43:15,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, brilliant undred eighty ten eighty. You've got

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01:43:15,333 --> 01:43:17,772
Speaker 2: a question for Matt the Mechanic will be back in

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Speaker 2: just a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk, Matt and Taylor Afternoon

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01:43:25,173 --> 01:43:29,092
Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.

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01:43:29,253 --> 01:43:31,852
Speaker 6: Call News Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good Afternoon. We've got Matt Bullen on the line.

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01:43:35,933 --> 01:43:38,293
Speaker 3: He has thirty eight years experience as a mechanic in

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01:43:38,333 --> 01:43:42,492
Speaker 3: the automotive industry. Is part of our Ask the Experts series. Matt,

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01:43:42,572 --> 01:43:46,092
Speaker 3: thank you very much for answering our callers questions.

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01:43:46,893 --> 01:43:48,612
Speaker 5: No worries. It got off to the line start.

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01:43:48,933 --> 01:43:49,612
Speaker 3: Ye're still going.

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01:43:51,053 --> 01:43:54,253
Speaker 2: We've got so many calls and texts coming through it. Well,

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01:43:54,412 --> 01:43:57,732
Speaker 2: it's quite an impressive response. But Michael, you've got a

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01:43:57,812 --> 01:44:04,293
Speaker 2: question for Matt. Michael Hi, Michael, Yeah, you're there, Michael.

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01:44:04,933 --> 01:44:05,133
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Have you got a question for Matt?

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01:44:08,412 --> 01:44:09,812
Speaker 18: Yes, I have you.

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01:44:09,973 --> 01:44:10,652
Speaker 5: Michael, go ahead.

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01:44:12,652 --> 01:44:16,372
Speaker 18: I've got a Ford Falcon out of the differ blown.

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01:44:17,013 --> 01:44:19,012
Speaker 18: Now do I have to take the whole gift out?

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01:44:19,412 --> 01:44:20,972
Speaker 18: I know I've got a new one.

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01:44:21,452 --> 01:44:24,892
Speaker 4: But hang on, I didn't quite hear what was blown.

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01:44:26,532 --> 01:44:30,372
Speaker 18: I've got a Ford Falcon yeah, and the DIFF blue.

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01:44:31,412 --> 01:44:33,452
Speaker 18: So do I have to take the whole back end

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01:44:33,532 --> 01:44:37,213
Speaker 18: off for the big wheels or can I just get

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01:44:37,253 --> 01:44:37,812
Speaker 18: to the tiff?

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01:44:38,492 --> 01:44:39,492
Speaker 3: Did you hear that meant so.

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01:44:41,173 --> 01:44:45,692
Speaker 4: You just gone? Okay, you will because you'll have to

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01:44:45,732 --> 01:44:48,213
Speaker 4: pull the exles out. So yeah, you need to pull

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01:44:48,213 --> 01:44:50,852
Speaker 4: the wheels, brakes and then draw the exles otherwise you

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01:44:50,893 --> 01:44:52,132
Speaker 4: don't go to get the diff out.

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01:44:53,372 --> 01:44:56,532
Speaker 18: A mate, Yeah, I have to take the whole back

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01:44:56,652 --> 01:44:56,892
Speaker 18: end of.

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01:44:58,612 --> 01:44:58,652
Speaker 6: It.

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01:44:59,053 --> 01:44:59,412
Speaker 18: Okay.

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01:44:59,492 --> 01:45:04,052
Speaker 4: Then is the disc got like twelve or fourteen sixteen

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01:45:04,093 --> 01:45:09,692
Speaker 4: volts around the outside of the diff? Yeah, so it's

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01:45:09,692 --> 01:45:10,093
Speaker 4: got a fight.

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01:45:10,173 --> 01:45:10,333
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:45:10,372 --> 01:45:14,492
Speaker 4: So yeah, once you don't do that, you'll you'll need

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01:45:14,572 --> 01:45:16,452
Speaker 4: to pull the axles out because the exles go through

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01:45:17,612 --> 01:45:20,692
Speaker 4: through this side side of it, so it won't actually

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01:45:20,772 --> 01:45:22,492
Speaker 4: come out unless you pull the axles out. So yeah,

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01:45:22,492 --> 01:45:26,012
Speaker 4: you need to pull the wheels, pull the brakes. Okay,

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01:45:26,652 --> 01:45:28,293
Speaker 4: you don't need to pull.

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01:45:28,452 --> 01:45:29,173
Speaker 5: You don't need to pull with.

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01:45:29,213 --> 01:45:33,213
Speaker 2: The housing out Okay, Michael, I hope that helps. David,

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01:45:33,333 --> 01:45:34,852
Speaker 2: you've got a question for Matt and mechanic.

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01:45:36,013 --> 01:45:39,052
Speaker 8: Yes, one tiler and two mates.

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01:45:39,452 --> 01:45:41,092
Speaker 3: My gosh, that's confusing.

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01:45:42,492 --> 01:45:45,532
Speaker 8: Yeah, mate, good there. Look, I've got a two thousand

2276
01:45:45,532 --> 01:45:49,093
Speaker 8: and eight Jag x k R should be charged four

2277
01:45:49,133 --> 01:45:53,293
Speaker 8: point two. I have an interneted problem with the touch screen,

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01:45:53,933 --> 01:45:57,452
Speaker 8: which when it worked, when it's time that controls everything,

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01:45:57,492 --> 01:46:04,772
Speaker 8: you know, climate, navigation, radio, all the months will happen

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01:46:04,973 --> 01:46:08,532
Speaker 8: and it just freezes on the Jag logo. The We'll

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01:46:08,572 --> 01:46:11,852
Speaker 8: not go into all the functions. I just by chance

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01:46:11,933 --> 01:46:16,092
Speaker 8: worked out the by hop out of the car, closed

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01:46:16,133 --> 01:46:19,812
Speaker 8: the door, locked the door like lakes and seconds hop

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01:46:19,893 --> 01:46:25,213
Speaker 8: back in we start work. So I recommends a software

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01:46:25,492 --> 01:46:27,293
Speaker 8: update problems or.

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01:46:27,372 --> 01:46:32,692
Speaker 4: Something, Yeah, it could be. And again, have you changed

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01:46:32,692 --> 01:46:33,492
Speaker 4: the battery recently?

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01:46:35,612 --> 01:46:35,933
Speaker 3: What's that.

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01:46:37,452 --> 01:46:37,732
Speaker 11: Changed?

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01:46:38,133 --> 01:46:39,612
Speaker 3: Have you changed the battery recently? David?

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01:46:41,293 --> 01:46:45,812
Speaker 8: No, haven't that Actually just came back to initial question

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01:46:45,933 --> 01:46:51,412
Speaker 8: from the other mate about us. Every time I take

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01:46:51,452 --> 01:46:55,253
Speaker 8: it in for servicing, the battery gets this connected and

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01:46:55,372 --> 01:47:02,253
Speaker 8: every time, but I just haven't about the sequence A

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01:47:02,333 --> 01:47:05,372
Speaker 8: buttons your press but this puntry. Maybe if I just

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01:47:05,412 --> 01:47:07,293
Speaker 8: take it down to the Jake dealer and christ Church

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01:47:07,412 --> 01:47:10,132
Speaker 8: and just say do I need to update the software

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01:47:10,293 --> 01:47:11,132
Speaker 8: in the touch screen?

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01:47:11,973 --> 01:47:12,933
Speaker 13: What what year is it?

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01:47:16,732 --> 01:47:18,893
Speaker 4: It just seems seems a little bit early for that

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01:47:19,013 --> 01:47:22,253
Speaker 4: sort of problem. But I'd be looking at an auto electrician.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I'm not picked them, so there's probably some good

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01:47:26,812 --> 01:47:27,732
Speaker 8: ones and blood them here.

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01:47:28,013 --> 01:47:30,973
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, i'd been looking at an auto electrician, but

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Speaker 4: I would I would try ringing. If there is a

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01:47:33,572 --> 01:47:35,333
Speaker 4: JAG dealer there, I would try ringing them because it

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01:47:35,372 --> 01:47:38,293
Speaker 4: may be a problem that they know of. There may

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Speaker 4: be a simple.

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Speaker 8: If they are prepared, if they prepared to admit to

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Speaker 8: admit to it.

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01:47:48,213 --> 01:47:51,012
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm sure. Yeah, I mean I try them first,

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01:47:51,053 --> 01:47:53,333
Speaker 4: because that's I mean, that's where we go. We'd try

2313
01:47:53,372 --> 01:47:56,492
Speaker 4: the manufacturer first because there may be a recall, there

2314
01:47:56,532 --> 01:47:58,412
Speaker 4: may be an issue that they are aware of, and

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01:47:58,572 --> 01:47:59,812
Speaker 4: there may be a simple fix for it.

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01:48:00,333 --> 01:48:01,612
Speaker 3: Good luck, David, thank you very much.

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01:48:01,652 --> 01:48:03,452
Speaker 4: Don't get any joy. Try an auto electrician.

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01:48:03,652 --> 01:48:07,572
Speaker 2: Okay, Steve, you've got another starting problem for the mechanic.

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01:48:08,452 --> 01:48:12,293
Speaker 7: Yeah, very similar to the last lady identical turn the key,

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01:48:12,412 --> 01:48:14,253
Speaker 7: nothing happens, or turn the key, and.

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01:48:14,333 --> 01:48:16,213
Speaker 18: It's this tick.

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01:48:17,093 --> 01:48:20,213
Speaker 7: Sometimes it will start straight after, and sometimes it won't

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01:48:20,253 --> 01:48:22,333
Speaker 7: go at all, and then I have to try. But

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01:48:22,372 --> 01:48:24,333
Speaker 7: half an hour later or whatever, it turns over.

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01:48:24,412 --> 01:48:24,933
Speaker 5: But I've got that.

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01:48:25,372 --> 01:48:26,213
Speaker 4: My wife was driving.

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01:48:26,253 --> 01:48:29,052
Speaker 7: It's a two thousand and eight it's a Bacius station wagon.

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01:48:29,853 --> 01:48:34,652
Speaker 7: But AA got it started on that and sent sure

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01:48:34,692 --> 01:48:36,013
Speaker 7: thought it could be the battery. So I took it

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01:48:36,333 --> 01:48:37,772
Speaker 7: and got it all checked down and got a new

2331
01:48:37,812 --> 01:48:41,812
Speaker 7: starter mode to put in, and is is still happening?

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01:48:41,973 --> 01:48:44,173
Speaker 7: But I'll turn it on and it won't go, and

2333
01:48:44,213 --> 01:48:44,852
Speaker 7: then i'll turn it on.

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Speaker 18: I'll go.

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01:48:45,412 --> 01:48:47,772
Speaker 7: It's not as bad that initially was. And I went

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01:48:47,812 --> 01:48:50,333
Speaker 7: back to the mechanic. He said that he couldn't find

2337
01:48:50,333 --> 01:48:52,652
Speaker 7: anything wrong with it, and he said, we don't use

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01:48:52,692 --> 01:48:55,532
Speaker 7: it very often. And he sort of said that because

2339
01:48:55,532 --> 01:48:57,013
Speaker 7: he don't use it off, it just sits here and

2340
01:48:57,053 --> 01:48:59,372
Speaker 7: there might be moisture on the electrical points, et cetera.

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01:49:00,372 --> 01:49:02,692
Speaker 4: But yeah, it'll be anywhere from the key from the

2342
01:49:02,772 --> 01:49:06,133
Speaker 4: key down to the solenoid. If you're hearing a click,

2343
01:49:06,213 --> 01:49:07,852
Speaker 4: it does sound like a flat battery. And the best

2344
01:49:07,853 --> 01:49:09,452
Speaker 4: way to tell that is just a jump start it.

2345
01:49:09,732 --> 01:49:11,812
Speaker 4: If you put another battery on it and it starts

2346
01:49:11,812 --> 01:49:14,092
Speaker 4: all right, then it's probably the battery. But I'd imagine

2347
01:49:14,093 --> 01:49:15,892
Speaker 4: if somebody's put a starto motor on it, they would

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01:49:15,933 --> 01:49:16,692
Speaker 4: have tested the battery.

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01:49:17,612 --> 01:49:19,173
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you said, he tested it, and he said

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01:49:19,173 --> 01:49:21,133
Speaker 7: it might be something to do. I'm not mechanically mined,

2351
01:49:21,173 --> 01:49:23,293
Speaker 7: but you said someone in the tea and I'm sol

2352
01:49:23,293 --> 01:49:24,492
Speaker 7: annoids not.

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01:49:24,652 --> 01:49:24,852
Speaker 21: Yeah.

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01:49:26,372 --> 01:49:30,572
Speaker 7: Yeah, my number one cars get penalty at the moment

2355
01:49:30,692 --> 01:49:31,652
Speaker 7: I'm driving around.

2356
01:49:33,412 --> 01:49:35,053
Speaker 4: They have a look at your have a look at

2357
01:49:35,093 --> 01:49:37,572
Speaker 4: your battery terminals. Make sure your battery terminals aren't loose.

2358
01:49:37,893 --> 01:49:41,492
Speaker 4: It's really common we find that loose battery terminals, any

2359
01:49:41,532 --> 01:49:44,333
Speaker 4: corrosion around the battery terminals, any any bad connections there.

2360
01:49:44,532 --> 01:49:46,412
Speaker 4: But your starter motor can be drawing three or four

2361
01:49:46,492 --> 01:49:48,572
Speaker 4: hundred amps. That's huge, you know, not your house is

2362
01:49:48,612 --> 01:49:51,253
Speaker 4: wide at ten amps. Car batteries have to deliver up

2363
01:49:51,293 --> 01:49:54,492
Speaker 4: the sort of five six hundred amps, so you get

2364
01:49:54,572 --> 01:49:57,892
Speaker 4: bad connections and you'll definitely get problems. But I'd imagine

2365
01:49:57,933 --> 01:49:59,852
Speaker 4: if someone's put a starto motor and they should have

2366
01:49:59,933 --> 01:50:02,253
Speaker 4: checked the battery out. But it sort of does sound

2367
01:50:02,333 --> 01:50:05,692
Speaker 4: like a flat battery, good luck. The best way to

2368
01:50:05,772 --> 01:50:07,253
Speaker 4: do it would be to try jump starting and it

2369
01:50:07,492 --> 01:50:09,333
Speaker 4: goes jump starting, then it's probably a battery.

2370
01:50:09,492 --> 01:50:13,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. All right, quick text question here, Matt. Today,

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01:50:14,133 --> 01:50:17,093
Speaker 3: I have a two thousand and seven Toyota Caldina that

2372
01:50:17,173 --> 01:50:20,013
Speaker 3: has been sitting outside stored for three months. Is there

2373
01:50:20,053 --> 01:50:22,772
Speaker 3: anything I should watch for when I go to restart it.

2374
01:50:25,732 --> 01:50:29,492
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good question. No, I'm a Twitter technician

2375
01:50:29,532 --> 01:50:34,932
Speaker 4: by trade, and the bloody good cars. Check your check

2376
01:50:34,973 --> 01:50:45,093
Speaker 4: your all and water, make sure nothing weird has happeneds.

2377
01:50:41,333 --> 01:50:42,452
Speaker 2: Have moved into the back seat and.

2378
01:50:43,293 --> 01:50:45,093
Speaker 4: You haven't opened the bonnet and have a lot make

2379
01:50:45,133 --> 01:50:47,053
Speaker 4: sure because if it's in the rural area, you do

2380
01:50:47,133 --> 01:50:51,133
Speaker 4: get racks that eat things. But I would suggest that

2381
01:50:51,213 --> 01:50:52,973
Speaker 4: you might have a flat battery by now. It's been

2382
01:50:53,013 --> 01:50:54,732
Speaker 4: sitting out for that long, so you might need to

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Speaker 4: jump start it. But yeah, check your all and water

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01:50:57,173 --> 01:50:59,852
Speaker 4: levels and you probably want to check your tie preshus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great, check if anyone's running a soup kitchen

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Speaker 2: in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt, Matt just told there because we've got plenty

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Speaker 3: more questions for you. If you've got a question for

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01:51:09,333 --> 01:51:11,372
Speaker 3: Matt Ow eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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01:51:11,572 --> 01:51:13,932
Speaker 3: number to call. It is eleven to four.

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01:51:14,973 --> 01:51:18,333
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 6: Matt and Tayler afternoons.

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Speaker 1: With the Volvo XC ninety, attention to detail and a

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Speaker 1: commitment to comfort news dogs, there'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon Final few moments with our mechanic, Matt bullin

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Speaker 3: that met Thanks again for your time.

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Speaker 2: No worries, Bryce, I've got a question for Matt and

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Speaker 2: the mechanic.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Matt. When I'm at the lights, I'm idle and

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01:51:41,333 --> 01:51:44,773
Speaker 8: fine when it goes green and I press the accelerator,

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01:51:45,253 --> 01:51:47,812
Speaker 8: but the car kind of dies first in the first

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01:51:47,853 --> 01:51:51,012
Speaker 8: second before it starts taking off, so I lose revs.

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01:51:51,053 --> 01:51:52,813
Speaker 8: You know, first pressy accelerator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what sort of car on?

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Speaker 5: How old?

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Speaker 8: Yeah it's in this and Tilda twenty and sixteen.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but odd for that age age group could be

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Speaker 4: looking at something like an EGR valve problem and you

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Speaker 4: know it's going to whereabouts in the country Wellington, Wellington? Yeah, boy,

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Speaker 4: without driving it, it's it's difficult, but we we sort

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01:52:22,372 --> 01:52:25,053
Speaker 4: of are getting problems with EGR. It's an exhaust gas

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Speaker 4: for circulation valves. How long since it's had a service,

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Speaker 4: a tune up, air filter coued, have an air leak?

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Speaker 4: Are there any lights coming up on the dash as

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Speaker 4: the engine.

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Speaker 20: Light coming on?

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Speaker 8: No lights coming up on the desk? And I get

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Speaker 8: it a service every six months?

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Speaker 5: Yep?

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Speaker 4: So how many ca is it done? About one hundred

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01:52:46,452 --> 01:52:51,253
Speaker 4: and ten because the head spark plugs. Normally spark plugs

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01:52:51,253 --> 01:52:54,533
Speaker 4: you'll feel in this and it'll be really obvious. I'd

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Speaker 4: maybe be looking at air leaks or EGR problem or

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Speaker 4: something like that. But without man, without driving it, and

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01:53:01,452 --> 01:53:04,612
Speaker 4: without doing some testing, it's really difficult to tell you that.

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Speaker 4: Don't We don't really have too many issues with that

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01:53:07,333 --> 01:53:10,133
Speaker 4: sort of thing. It's it's if it's missing, it would

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01:53:10,133 --> 01:53:15,732
Speaker 4: be good, you'd feel it. We be really obvious. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm just have you had it in anywhere?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, sorry, if I'm going along the motorway and it might.

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Speaker 4: Go good, it could there be spark plugs could be yeah, okay,

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01:53:29,293 --> 01:53:31,452
Speaker 4: but it's pretty obvious when you've got a spark Plugmas,

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01:53:31,492 --> 01:53:33,213
Speaker 4: you'll feel it. You'll feel a cylinder missing.

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Speaker 3: Bryce, thank you very much, Good luck mate, and Matt.

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Speaker 3: That is all the time we have for this time.

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01:53:39,572 --> 01:53:42,973
Speaker 3: You are a popular man. We've got a for rarckloaded

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Speaker 3: texts and some people to call back when we next

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01:53:45,173 --> 01:53:47,173
Speaker 3: get you on and in a few weeks time we.

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Speaker 2: Might have broken the text machine and one hundred and

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01:53:50,133 --> 01:53:51,013
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty of the matter.

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01:53:52,133 --> 01:53:53,972
Speaker 4: Any that can be email three or text to three

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01:53:54,013 --> 01:53:55,412
Speaker 4: to me do that and I can answer them.

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01:53:55,572 --> 01:53:57,692
Speaker 3: You're a good man. Thank you very much, Thank you

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01:53:57,772 --> 01:53:58,532
Speaker 3: so much for your time.

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01:53:58,652 --> 01:54:02,333
Speaker 2: And look it's not easy trying to diagnose down the phone,

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01:54:02,612 --> 01:54:03,492
Speaker 2: but you did very well.

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01:54:03,532 --> 01:54:06,173
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Matt. Yeah, we'll catch catch you

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01:54:06,213 --> 01:54:08,253
Speaker 3: again in a couple of weeks time. That is Matt.

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01:54:08,333 --> 01:54:10,492
Speaker 3: It's a bullin. Matt the mechanic as we call them

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01:54:10,492 --> 01:54:13,812
Speaker 3: from exur Autos and Fakatane a wealth of knowledge when

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01:54:13,853 --> 01:54:17,293
Speaker 3: it comes to anything mechanical and has had thirty eight

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01:54:17,372 --> 01:54:20,652
Speaker 3: years experience in the automotive industry. We'll get back Matt

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01:54:20,732 --> 01:54:23,053
Speaker 3: back in about four weeks time as part of our

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01:54:23,173 --> 01:54:25,692
Speaker 3: US the Experts series. Now we need to do this.

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01:54:25,893 --> 01:54:29,293
Speaker 3: As always, advice offered in this segment is done in

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01:54:29,372 --> 01:54:32,092
Speaker 3: good faith and should always be confirmed by a physical

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01:54:32,213 --> 01:54:34,852
Speaker 3: inspection of your vehicle. That just covers us off with

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01:54:34,933 --> 01:54:37,253
Speaker 3: the lawyers. And that is us for today. Thank you

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01:54:37,453 --> 01:54:39,772
Speaker 3: very much. Great discussions all around. So thank you for

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01:54:39,772 --> 01:54:42,733
Speaker 3: your phone calls, your texts, your correspondence and we'll do

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01:54:42,772 --> 01:54:43,533
Speaker 3: it all again tomorrow.

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01:54:43,772 --> 01:54:46,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, see tomorrow and give them a taste of can we.

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Speaker 6: Do it back?

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