1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: And what progress of any are we making on vaping. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: So we have the news this morning the Healthy New 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Zealand's free vape program has ended out seven thousand devices 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: sixty seven thousand refills in just two months, part of 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: a half million dollar contract. Apparently, doctor Kelly Burrows is 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: the lead researcher at vaping at the University of Auckland 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: bio Engineering Institute, and as with us, Kelly Morning morning. 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: So three thousand were handed out originally as my understanding, 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: and fourteen hundred people quit, so it got rolled out wider. 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Is this thing working broadly or not? 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: So I think of those numbers it was a roughly 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 3: one third if those people quit in the end, So 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if it's working, but I 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: guess just The main point I think is that vaping 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: is not a registered medicine for smoking testation. It's not 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: been approved. It's not as stringently registered or regulated and 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: tested as other smoking testation products that are already available. 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: So to me, it seems quite crazy that they are 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: giving these free vapes out considering the World Health Organization 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: and other international agencies don't recommend to vaping as a 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: smoking sensation tool, so I mean, you don't have to 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: be an expert to kind of question why we're doing 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 3: In New Zealand, it just seems odd. 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: Well, question why are we doing it? Did we just 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: decide it was a cessation tool? 26 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: I think so? I think so. I mean, I think 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: it originally came from New Zealand trying to reach that 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: smoke in Sestation twenty twenty five goal where we wanted 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 3: smoking rates to be below five percent. So I think 30 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 3: all of the focus went on to that, you know, 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: and whatever means necessary. But I think why vaping isn't 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: recommended as a smoking sestation tool is because we don't 33 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: know what the long term how to fix are. So 34 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: it's kind of like, you know, it's balancing balancing risk, 35 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: which is why other countries aren't doing it. They're saying 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: it's not worth the risk because we don't know what 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: the long term how to fix are. But there are 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: more and more studies coming out. So there has been 39 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: one study quite recently that have found that people who 40 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: only vaped. So the complicated thing is most people smoke 41 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: and then they switch the vaping, so it's hard to 42 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: sort of unravel the effects of vaping. But there has 43 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 3: been a group of only vapors been shown to have 44 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: increased risk of respiratory diseases. So that's already happening in humans. 45 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: And that's before you get to the fact you're hawking 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: young people and who may never smoke but start off 47 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: vaping and never give up. 48 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: Oh exactly in New Zealand. I mean having them available 49 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: as recreational devices as well as giving them out for 50 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 3: in hospitals. That's sort of taking you know, two approaches. 51 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 3: I think maybe one or the other as well. We 52 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: shouldn't be learning them be available recreationally, but sort of 53 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: putting them out in smoking to station is also like 54 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 3: sustaining that nicotine addiction. So studies around the world have 55 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: shown that there's a quite a high chance that people 56 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: will go on to use both, so they'll be smokers 57 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: and vape users at the same time, which increases the harm, 58 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: or they continue vaping you know long term. I don't 59 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 3: know if the helping Zone's got a plan to get 60 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: these people off the vapes as well. And other studies 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: also show that the people tend to go back to smoking, 62 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: maybe after a year of vaping they think, actually, I 63 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: still need that nicotine. I'm going to go back to smoking. 64 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: So to me, it doesn't make all right. 65 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: Kelly, nice to talk to you, Doctor Kelly Burrows gives 66 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: me no please. Was it a decade ago? Could have 67 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: been even longer. I sat on this very program said 68 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: watch out. Vaping is nothing but a disaster, and we're 69 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: simply replacing one problem with another. I didn't realize until 70 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: Kelly told me that it's not even efficient. No one 71 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: else does it. So we literally what did we gather 72 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: for morning tea one day at the Ministry of Health 73 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: and just go I know that vaping. 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: I reckon. That's a cessation for what do you reckon? Shelley? 75 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: I think so too. I think that's how it worked. 76 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast. 77 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: Listen live to News Talk sa'd be from six am weekdays, 78 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.