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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson with us. Hello you two,

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Speaker 1: good morning. Listen. I tell you what, but I'm loving

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Speaker 1: the reno's. I'm loving the r When I say the renolds,

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Speaker 1: I mean the rm reforms that might lead to easier renos.

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Speaker 1: How about you?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to have busy out the building to

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Speaker 2: deck over the summer.

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Speaker 1: I think that will be you. And I know that

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Speaker 1: anybody who lives a hammer in this family is me,

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Speaker 1: but also weirdly, Also weirdly, Mitch, is your wife who

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Speaker 1: does all the hard work, doesn't she?

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Speaker 2: She does. She's amazing, There's no doubt about that, and

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Speaker 2: she would definitely agree with you. She's the handy person home.

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Speaker 1: You come up against the RMA yet, Ginny, Uh.

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Speaker 3: Not really, No, No, I haven't. But it is looking

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Speaker 3: a lot like the one they checked out when they

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Speaker 3: first got in. Even yeah, it's very similar to what

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Speaker 3: we had in place that got biffed. They've literally going

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Speaker 3: to change the titles.

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Speaker 1: But this is good, Ginny. This is good because what

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Speaker 1: it well, you like it? You like did you put

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Speaker 1: it out.

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Speaker 3: In the spirit of in the spirit of Christmas. Bipartisanship

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Speaker 3: is important, but it means yeah, we want to take

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Speaker 3: a good look like they've only just landed, so we'll

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Speaker 3: have a good lock through it. And Rachel Brooking has

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Speaker 3: been been doing that work for us. But the one

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Speaker 3: they introduced last night that we didn't know about, that

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Speaker 3: that that was disappointing. They chucked something through all stages

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Speaker 3: of urgency, didn't mention it and and we didn't get

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Speaker 3: there in the briefings.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: And there was one about I think it was notification,

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Speaker 3: the way you do do things that's changing for There

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Speaker 3: was one that went through that was at the early stages.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what he's talking about?

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Speaker 3: There was one around there was oh, forgotten the title

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Speaker 3: of the bill, but it was on an urgency last

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Speaker 3: night and it was around consenting and how that works.

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Speaker 2: So it's just it was about it was about some

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Speaker 2: bracest thing to protect people that are already engaged in

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Speaker 2: having consents done so that they're not adversely impacted by

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Speaker 2: the changes that are going to be made, and the

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Speaker 2: bills that will deal with that will be going through

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Speaker 2: a full parliamentary process. It's really positive for us as

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Speaker 2: a country. It's going to save rate pars and tax

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Speaker 2: payers about thirteen point three billion dollars by regulating only

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Speaker 2: what is necessary and starting to giving people's freedom to

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Speaker 2: be able to do more around their own properties and landowners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that sounds reasonable. Now much on Costa, What

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Speaker 1: is going on here? Is Andrew Costa lying or is

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Speaker 1: he being genuine and someone has just someone has forgotten

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Speaker 1: what actually happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying not to talk about Andy Costa too

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Speaker 2: much because I'm moving on from all of that and

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Speaker 2: getting focused on public safety. But I will say this,

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Speaker 2: is he lying about the fact that he breathed me

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Speaker 2: or had an informal chat with me about geimate skilling.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely is if he had bought that forward to me,

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Speaker 2: bearing in mind in the context that at that time

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Speaker 2: I was having issues around the executive and performance anyway,

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Speaker 2: it would have been a massive red flag for me

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Speaker 2: to seek more advice and information on it. When I

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Speaker 2: did find out about Givin skimming m said, which was

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Speaker 2: on the sixth of November, I immediately called a meeting

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Speaker 2: with the PSC and the solicit General on the seventh

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Speaker 2: to bring forward my concerns around her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, is there value in us maybe doing an inquiry?

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Speaker 1: I mean I hate an inquiry, but given them, we've

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Speaker 1: got this, he said. She said, nonsense, why not do

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Speaker 1: an inquiry and clar enough.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not, he said, She said, because both myself

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Speaker 2: and Chris Hipkins have been very clear and unequivocal about

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Speaker 2: the fact that we have not received those briefings. There's

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Speaker 2: no file notes, there's no memos, there's no aid memoirs,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing at all. So it's incumbent on him if

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Speaker 2: he's going to come out and say that to prove it,

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Speaker 2: which he can't. The IPCA report is very thorough. It

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Speaker 2: deals with all of those issues. We have accepted all

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Speaker 2: the recommendations. We're going to be implementing those. We're putting

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Speaker 2: a Inspector General in over the top of police to

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Speaker 2: make sure that ensure that the public can have confidence

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Speaker 2: that this can't happen again, and we just got to

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Speaker 2: get on with it. We've got a very good new

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Speaker 2: police commissioner that so that's fixing a lot of those issues,

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Speaker 2: and it's been dealing with those issues before.

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Speaker 1: Now what do you reckon, Jenny, how do we clear

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a big job here really to rebuild that

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Speaker 3: trust and confidence with new Zealand Public In my concern

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Speaker 3: at all of this is that we already have a

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Speaker 3: really low rate of reporting family violence and sexual violence.

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Speaker 3: It's sits at like less than twenty percent in some

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Speaker 3: instances are being reported. And so when you have issues

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Speaker 3: much media, my concern is that it takes away people's

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Speaker 3: crimes and hope they'll be investigated. And so I really

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Speaker 3: hope that in the program of work that you know,

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Speaker 3: Mark's got ahead of them, that those things will be addressed.

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Speaker 2: So here that I agree with those comments that the

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Speaker 2: biggest concern that we had, of course was around public confidence,

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Speaker 2: and we were really hard to try and show that

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Speaker 2: this was contained to a small group of people, yes,

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Speaker 2: the previous leaders team, but we've got fifteen thousand outstanding

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Speaker 2: non sworn and sworn keiwis that turn up every day

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Speaker 2: been able to work that out. And then you've had

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Speaker 2: people like Louise Nicholas who've got a much louder voice

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Speaker 2: on this, then the likes of me who's coming out

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 1: Got to interrupt you match. I've got to interrupted because

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Speaker 1: producer Sam just came in with Winston Peter's post on

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Speaker 1: his phone on Facebook. Have you seen this, Jinny, what

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Speaker 1: Winston said about what chiping you? So he's posted on facing.

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Speaker 1: Is it not a fact that Chris Hopkins knew about

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Speaker 1: Jevin mc skimmings affair in twenty twenty two when he

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Speaker 1: was the police minister.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not true. He did not age that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a post that was put up yesterday

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Speaker 2: and looks that'll be for New Zealand first to speak to,

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Speaker 2: you know, so you'll have to get them on.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that? Do you know that it's a fact?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't. I was very clear yesterday that, judging

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Speaker 2: he had previously briefed me in twenty twenty four, I

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Speaker 2: said that I completely support Chressipkins and what he's come

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Speaker 2: is that I think that he came out and even

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Speaker 2: the car No one recollects that conversation at all.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Ginny, what are we going to do about Sunny

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Speaker 1: Kochel's boogie morning teas?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. That's quite a lot of money. Three

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Speaker 3: two hundred dollars. That's a lot of sausage rolls, a

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Speaker 3: you know, if you break that down. So, yeah, he couldn't.

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Speaker 3: We didn't get any straight answers out of that. There

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Speaker 3: was a lot of money. We don't know how many

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Speaker 3: people were here, so that would have helped to understand,

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Speaker 3: and we don't know. We did know.

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Speaker 1: I thought there were eighty people the image. Didn't we

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I was. I wasn't on the committee.

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Speaker 2: And that's not my portfolio, it's Paul's. But all it

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Speaker 2: is so Sonny, Colshiel has dedicated. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 2: would challenged him around the dedication he's given to public safety,

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Speaker 2: especially our small and medium sized businesses, of retail crime

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Speaker 2: and violent retail crime. I know that he has literally

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Speaker 2: done dozens of public meetings around the country.

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Speaker 1: He needs to have two hundred and twenty seven thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars now, Mitch, is that is that annual or is

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Speaker 2: No, that'd be annual, but five a day.

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Speaker 3: It's nine hundred and twenty five a day and he's

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Speaker 3: claimed the full amount. That was the point so that committee, No,

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Speaker 3: we asked the question about how many at the meeting.

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Speaker 3: We didn't get that clear, but the point was that

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Speaker 3: he'd claimed even like weekends in public holiday, so we

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Speaker 3: questioned whether he was actually working for all.

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Speaker 2: We just had it. We just had a stabbing. A

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Speaker 2: shopkeeper was stabbed in christ Hutch last week. Sunny Kelshill

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Speaker 2: was straight down there meeting with the meeting with the community,

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Speaker 2: meeting with the shopkeepers. He's brought forward some very good

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Speaker 2: and they're doing some outstanding work and going to explain

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Speaker 2: to me how this works.

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Speaker 1: So much he goes down there, he meets with them

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Speaker 1: and then as a result, are you expecting that he

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Speaker 1: would come back to you with Hey, listen, this is

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Speaker 2: Well, the best, the best way to make good laws

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Speaker 2: in Wellington's to go out and speak to the people

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Speaker 2: that were actually impacted by it, and that's what he does.

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Speaker 1: Well, that goes, say Ginny, doesn't that go some way

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Speaker 1: to explaining why he's working every single day that God

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Speaker 3: Well, that's encouraging, I will say there heither. But the

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Speaker 3: point I think is that bothers me is all the

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Speaker 3: gave me it. We gave us a petition to committee,

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Speaker 3: he came and talked to us. He didn't charge me

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Speaker 3: dollars lunch for those same ideas.

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Speaker 1: But also now you're raised. Now you're opening up questions

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Speaker 1: about if he gave them to you for free, white

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Speaker 1: and you do them mate.

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Speaker 3: Because they're and the police said that people get citizens

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Speaker 3: the police rest so here.

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Speaker 2: That I'll just say this, under the under labor violent

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Speaker 2: retail crime went through the roof on the national we're

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Speaker 2: reducing it. So it probably tells you a lot, doesn't

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Speaker 2: it That you had a guy like Sonny Kelshut there,

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Speaker 2: who was campaigning, who was holding public meetings, who was

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Speaker 2: trying to speak to the gun And what's Jenny's response,

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Speaker 2: They just dumb ideas. These are coming from the shopkeepers, Ginny, these.

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Speaker 3: Are some ideas that Caroline Young on that are really

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Speaker 3: got these sensible ideas.

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Speaker 2: In Carolina, and we work with Caroline Young and retail

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Speaker 2: in Zet as well. But we're talking about the small

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Speaker 2: dairy owners on the corner that don't have all the

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Speaker 2: money that the big end of town do. And they

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Speaker 2: deserve a voice because are the ones and the employees,

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Speaker 2: are the ones turning up at the shop at the counter,

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Speaker 2: and the ones that are having to face this violent

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Speaker 2: retail crime. So yes, they need a voice, and we

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Speaker 2: listen to them and we bring their ideas forward. We

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Speaker 2: don't get to get stuck on this beltway mindset where

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Speaker 2: we know best. We've actually got to listen to the

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Speaker 2: people that are impacted.

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Speaker 1: Match, I'm just doing a really quick order. How long

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Speaker 1: are you taking off of summer holidays?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to We're going up to Bali for ten

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Speaker 2: days to meet my daughter, my son in law and

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Speaker 2: my granddaughters live and Dubai and go and stay on

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Speaker 2: our private island and pulling. According to Ginny and we've

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Speaker 2: got a private life island island. I don't those I'm

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Speaker 2: not your Your bully is not really good because we

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Speaker 2: do not have a private island house.

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Speaker 3: I've got a house.

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Speaker 2: We're meeting them there and we're going to have ten days.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're back early New Year, Jinny.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to Castle Point. I don't own Castle Point.

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Speaker 3: I'm just carrying any BMB there. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: there is.

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Speaker 1: Between the two of you bickering, I'm never going to

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Speaker 1: be able to do this order.

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Speaker 3: It's usually about that inniversary days. So about the nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nice all right for sume, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to be? Well, what about you?

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Speaker 2: You guys are going to be doing some surfa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, I'm going there and I'm going to see

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Speaker 1: I'm going to come gate crash your Corimandel place. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, Jinny, but he's also

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Speaker 1: he also owns a town in the Corimandel. So there's that.

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Speaker 3: Can I come and my board?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to the peer lord. Honestly, you two

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Speaker 1: is like husband and a wife. Make Mitchell, Ginny Anderson. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out if summer holidays are too long.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Ginny's end. Yes, there's no for.

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