1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:18,333 Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me Cara as long as a 3 00:00:19,213 --> 00:00:20,933 Speaker 1: Shassy Gundy. 4 00:00:23,373 --> 00:00:27,293 Speaker 2: A Joker. 5 00:00:31,013 --> 00:00:38,813 Speaker 3: The Jokers, That is Lady Gaga with the Joker, and 6 00:00:38,893 --> 00:00:42,093 Speaker 3: we are speaking about Jokers this morning because our film 7 00:00:42,173 --> 00:00:43,973 Speaker 3: review of Francisca Rudkin is here. 8 00:00:44,253 --> 00:00:46,373 Speaker 2: Kilder, good morning. 9 00:00:46,173 --> 00:00:48,853 Speaker 4: And her first film for us this morning is Joker 10 00:00:49,133 --> 00:00:49,613 Speaker 4: Folly a. 11 00:00:49,693 --> 00:00:53,373 Speaker 2: Du two years ago. 12 00:00:53,453 --> 00:00:57,213 Speaker 5: The name Arthur Fleck had got him like a hurricane. 13 00:00:58,693 --> 00:01:02,333 Speaker 1: When I first saw Joker or once in my life, 14 00:01:02,853 --> 00:01:05,213 Speaker 1: I don't feel so alone anymore. 15 00:01:11,773 --> 00:01:15,413 Speaker 4: M Okay, Friandisca tell us about Joker folly Adert. 16 00:01:16,173 --> 00:01:20,013 Speaker 2: Did you see the original Joker was released about twenty nineteen. 17 00:01:20,973 --> 00:01:24,013 Speaker 2: Wakin Phenix was absolutely amazing and it really committed to 18 00:01:24,013 --> 00:01:26,933 Speaker 2: the role. The film was very grim. It was very visceral, 19 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:32,733 Speaker 2: very violent, very dark. I don't mind films that challenge us. 20 00:01:32,973 --> 00:01:36,333 Speaker 2: I struggled with the film though, I felt that it 21 00:01:36,373 --> 00:01:40,133 Speaker 2: was so devoid of any hope or anything positive. I 22 00:01:40,213 --> 00:01:43,013 Speaker 2: wasn't sure what it sort of offered. I wonder what 23 00:01:43,093 --> 00:01:45,893 Speaker 2: the point of the film was. It was an origin story, 24 00:01:46,573 --> 00:01:50,533 Speaker 2: so we basically learned about who Arthur Flack was before 25 00:01:50,573 --> 00:01:52,453 Speaker 2: he became the Joker, and we learned about how he 26 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:56,093 Speaker 2: became the Joker. He was sort of this insult, this 27 00:01:56,093 --> 00:01:59,293 Speaker 2: this outsider who was just abused by anyone and everyone 28 00:01:59,333 --> 00:02:02,093 Speaker 2: in his life and he turns into the psychotic killer. 29 00:02:02,613 --> 00:02:05,133 Speaker 2: So with this film, we come back to the Joker's story. 30 00:02:05,213 --> 00:02:08,853 Speaker 2: He's an at hospital awaiting trial for the murders that 31 00:02:08,893 --> 00:02:13,013 Speaker 2: we saw him doing the first Joker, and I once 32 00:02:13,053 --> 00:02:17,533 Speaker 2: again have that same sort of question. I'm not sure 33 00:02:17,533 --> 00:02:19,533 Speaker 2: what the point of this film was this time around, 34 00:02:19,533 --> 00:02:22,333 Speaker 2: though they've turned it into a musical. It's trying Lady 35 00:02:22,373 --> 00:02:26,413 Speaker 2: Gaga into the mix, and he's awaiting his trial. It's 36 00:02:26,453 --> 00:02:29,893 Speaker 2: the trial. He also falls in love with another impatient 37 00:02:29,933 --> 00:02:33,093 Speaker 2: played by Lady Gaga, and there's all these fantasy scenes 38 00:02:33,133 --> 00:02:35,653 Speaker 2: between the two of them, which are the musical scenes 39 00:02:35,693 --> 00:02:38,013 Speaker 2: where he sort of sees what his life could be 40 00:02:38,133 --> 00:02:40,893 Speaker 2: or kind of been, or the relationship they can have. 41 00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:45,653 Speaker 2: The main question this film asked is is he insane? 42 00:02:45,693 --> 00:02:49,253 Speaker 2: Does he have a split personality? Should he be found 43 00:02:49,293 --> 00:02:52,813 Speaker 2: guilty because you know he's just actually an evil guy 44 00:02:52,813 --> 00:02:55,573 Speaker 2: who there's no doubt he did the murders, or actually 45 00:02:55,733 --> 00:02:57,933 Speaker 2: is he is there a reason why he did them? 46 00:02:57,933 --> 00:03:01,253 Speaker 2: And he should be you know, acquitted for that. The problem, 47 00:03:01,293 --> 00:03:03,533 Speaker 2: of course, then becomes is you have this character called 48 00:03:03,613 --> 00:03:07,653 Speaker 2: Joker who burnt it's trying to burn down society and 49 00:03:07,693 --> 00:03:10,813 Speaker 2: everyone's behind him. If he admits that actually he is insane, 50 00:03:10,853 --> 00:03:14,693 Speaker 2: it's disorder, does that take the power of the Joker 51 00:03:14,693 --> 00:03:16,453 Speaker 2: and what he was trying to do and say about 52 00:03:16,493 --> 00:03:18,853 Speaker 2: society and that will belive it? Does that diminish that? 53 00:03:19,133 --> 00:03:21,333 Speaker 2: And as a character he sort of has to decide 54 00:03:21,373 --> 00:03:22,573 Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I think you 55 00:03:22,653 --> 00:03:24,813 Speaker 2: kind of get to decide what you think about it. 56 00:03:24,853 --> 00:03:27,573 Speaker 2: But look, I'm going to be honest, it's Grim's It's 57 00:03:27,613 --> 00:03:30,213 Speaker 2: another our six team. This is not the kind of 58 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:32,693 Speaker 2: comic book you know, film you think, oh speak of 59 00:03:32,693 --> 00:03:34,933 Speaker 2: for the school holidays, we take the kids along, and 60 00:03:35,013 --> 00:03:37,173 Speaker 2: I think you probably had to really enjoy the first 61 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:38,613 Speaker 2: film to get something out of this one. I felt 62 00:03:38,613 --> 00:03:41,053 Speaker 2: like this one though, just didn't give us. It just 63 00:03:41,173 --> 00:03:44,053 Speaker 2: felt a little bit flat, not sort of enough was 64 00:03:44,053 --> 00:03:46,213 Speaker 2: really going on. And once again, Jake, you know, I'm 65 00:03:46,213 --> 00:03:49,133 Speaker 2: not the biggest musical fan, so maybe you also need 66 00:03:49,173 --> 00:03:51,213 Speaker 2: to be able of a fan of the musical interlude 67 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:52,213 Speaker 2: the number. 68 00:03:52,973 --> 00:03:56,733 Speaker 4: Okay, so that's a joker fold. Next up, let's have 69 00:03:56,733 --> 00:03:58,213 Speaker 4: a listen to Will and Harper. 70 00:03:59,173 --> 00:04:02,173 Speaker 5: Hi there, I'm Will Ferrell, one of the greatest actors 71 00:04:02,173 --> 00:04:05,213 Speaker 5: in the world. A long time ago, back when I 72 00:04:05,253 --> 00:04:07,253 Speaker 5: was at SARINAI Live, I met a guy who was 73 00:04:07,333 --> 00:04:09,533 Speaker 5: hired as a writer the same week I was hired. 74 00:04:10,373 --> 00:04:13,453 Speaker 5: Over the years, he became one of my closest friends, 75 00:04:13,733 --> 00:04:17,293 Speaker 5: and then one day I got this email, Hey, Will, 76 00:04:17,933 --> 00:04:21,573 Speaker 5: something I need you to know. I'll be transitioning to 77 00:04:21,693 --> 00:04:22,733 Speaker 5: live as a woman. 78 00:04:23,493 --> 00:04:26,093 Speaker 4: Okay, there's a good setup there, So tell us about 79 00:04:26,093 --> 00:04:26,693 Speaker 4: Will and Harper. 80 00:04:27,333 --> 00:04:30,533 Speaker 2: So this is a documentary which is currently playing on Netflix. 81 00:04:30,893 --> 00:04:33,773 Speaker 2: And this is an example of why comedy is such 82 00:04:33,893 --> 00:04:39,253 Speaker 2: a valuable genre. Jack. It allows us to talk about difficult, 83 00:04:39,493 --> 00:04:43,613 Speaker 2: serious topics that might make us uncomfortable, you know it might. 84 00:04:43,733 --> 00:04:45,813 Speaker 2: It helps us kind of deal with a topic that 85 00:04:45,853 --> 00:04:48,173 Speaker 2: we might be curious about but we don't know much about. 86 00:04:48,173 --> 00:04:50,373 Speaker 2: And that's pretty much what Will Pharel does in this film. 87 00:04:50,733 --> 00:04:53,773 Speaker 2: So Andrew Steele was they started at Saturday Night Live 88 00:04:53,813 --> 00:04:56,413 Speaker 2: at the same time. He was a writer, Will was 89 00:04:56,413 --> 00:05:00,213 Speaker 2: an actor. And Andrew Steele goes on to become the 90 00:05:00,253 --> 00:05:03,613 Speaker 2: head writer for many years at Saturday Night Live and 91 00:05:04,013 --> 00:05:09,373 Speaker 2: I've been friends for thirty years. And one Andrew decides 92 00:05:09,413 --> 00:05:12,013 Speaker 2: to transition and becomes Halper Steel and tells Will about this, 93 00:05:12,093 --> 00:05:14,773 Speaker 2: and so Will's fears sort of thoughts, is okay, that's cool. 94 00:05:15,253 --> 00:05:17,173 Speaker 2: But then of course he's like, well, how does this 95 00:05:17,293 --> 00:05:21,013 Speaker 2: kind of affect your friendship? What does this kind of mean? 96 00:05:21,213 --> 00:05:25,173 Speaker 2: How do I deal with this? And Harper is the 97 00:05:25,293 --> 00:05:30,613 Speaker 2: kind of person that has always loved traveling across America, 98 00:05:30,853 --> 00:05:34,893 Speaker 2: stopping in small towns, love loves dives, bars and really 99 00:05:34,933 --> 00:05:38,813 Speaker 2: bad bears, And so Will says to her, Look, this 100 00:05:38,853 --> 00:05:40,813 Speaker 2: is how you've wanted to live your life. I know 101 00:05:40,933 --> 00:05:42,573 Speaker 2: that you're not. This is how this is what you 102 00:05:42,653 --> 00:05:44,773 Speaker 2: love in life. I know it's quite hard for you 103 00:05:44,813 --> 00:05:46,533 Speaker 2: to do this as Harper. Why don't we do it together. 104 00:05:46,733 --> 00:05:49,053 Speaker 2: Let's cross the country, let's travel New York, LA. And 105 00:05:49,093 --> 00:05:50,933 Speaker 2: I'm with you. Let's go and do this and see 106 00:05:50,973 --> 00:05:54,293 Speaker 2: how it goes. And before they left and when they 107 00:05:54,293 --> 00:05:55,973 Speaker 2: sort of start this documentary up, but it's been very 108 00:05:55,973 --> 00:05:58,173 Speaker 2: well produced. When they started, I think they thought they 109 00:05:58,253 --> 00:06:00,733 Speaker 2: kind of, you know, set up some gags and thought 110 00:06:00,733 --> 00:06:02,453 Speaker 2: about some fun things they could do. Along the way. 111 00:06:02,493 --> 00:06:04,773 Speaker 2: But then as the sort of carries on, they realized 112 00:06:04,813 --> 00:06:07,413 Speaker 2: that just letting it be, you were going to get 113 00:06:07,453 --> 00:06:09,573 Speaker 2: the humor, you were going to get the conversations. And 114 00:06:09,613 --> 00:06:13,053 Speaker 2: it's just this really lovely story about friendship. And what 115 00:06:13,133 --> 00:06:15,373 Speaker 2: I like about it is that although it sort of 116 00:06:15,373 --> 00:06:17,973 Speaker 2: feels like there's quite a good production behind it, Will 117 00:06:18,093 --> 00:06:22,013 Speaker 2: himself asks questions as clumsily as you or I might, 118 00:06:22,293 --> 00:06:25,333 Speaker 2: you know, like of his friend and what they've been 119 00:06:25,413 --> 00:06:27,013 Speaker 2: through and what it's like for them, and how long 120 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:30,133 Speaker 2: we've felt like this, and you know, and asks all 121 00:06:30,173 --> 00:06:32,653 Speaker 2: sorts of questions that we're all sort of would be 122 00:06:32,693 --> 00:06:35,253 Speaker 2: curious to ask a friend if they had been through 123 00:06:35,333 --> 00:06:37,293 Speaker 2: a transition. So you kind of get to share that 124 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:42,973 Speaker 2: but in a very warm, amusing, sort of accessible way. 125 00:06:43,573 --> 00:06:46,173 Speaker 2: It really, it really is, is a delight, and the 126 00:06:46,213 --> 00:06:48,053 Speaker 2: two of them to get it. Honestly, it's laugh out 127 00:06:48,053 --> 00:06:50,533 Speaker 2: loud funny at times. They're very but then there's also 128 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:53,173 Speaker 2: a lot of seriousness in here because Will realizes that 129 00:06:53,253 --> 00:06:55,493 Speaker 2: actually he's been able to be a buffer for Harper. 130 00:06:55,733 --> 00:06:58,373 Speaker 2: You know, he's this fate wells most of the time, 131 00:06:58,373 --> 00:07:00,853 Speaker 2: people recognizing quite often they don't, but you know, he 132 00:07:00,893 --> 00:07:02,533 Speaker 2: was able to sort of be a buffer and as 133 00:07:02,573 --> 00:07:04,773 Speaker 2: the and it's all sort of about him at first, 134 00:07:04,773 --> 00:07:06,773 Speaker 2: but as the film progresses, Half as able to sort 135 00:07:06,773 --> 00:07:08,213 Speaker 2: of stand on her own two feet a bit more, 136 00:07:08,253 --> 00:07:10,973 Speaker 2: and she sort of takes into stage and things. But 137 00:07:11,373 --> 00:07:14,453 Speaker 2: they learn a lot as they go. But it's yeah, 138 00:07:14,533 --> 00:07:15,853 Speaker 2: it's just really gorgeous cool. 139 00:07:15,973 --> 00:07:18,413 Speaker 4: That sounds amazing. Yeah, I like the sound of that. 140 00:07:18,493 --> 00:07:21,293 Speaker 4: That's Will and Harper. I'm a long time Will Fairrell fan, 141 00:07:21,453 --> 00:07:24,333 Speaker 4: so yeah, it's a bit of me. I reckon Francisca. 142 00:07:24,533 --> 00:07:27,773 Speaker 4: We'll make sure that Francisca's recommendations are up and available 143 00:07:27,813 --> 00:07:30,453 Speaker 4: on the News Talks EDB website, and I'm glad to 144 00:07:30,453 --> 00:07:33,133 Speaker 4: see that you agree with her. Jack Golda, Mike here 145 00:07:33,493 --> 00:07:35,693 Speaker 4: read the joker. You can put lipstick on a peg, 146 00:07:35,733 --> 00:07:37,373 Speaker 4: but yep, it's still a pig. 147 00:07:38,453 --> 00:07:41,533 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live 148 00:07:41,653 --> 00:07:44,813 Speaker 1: to News talks 'B from nine am Saturday, or follow 149 00:07:44,853 --> 00:07:46,373 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.